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diemertsdawgs
02-13-2012, 04:31 PM
I would love to see him in Cleveland. But the odds of that are slim to none.
I just hope he doesnt sign with a front running team, I don't mind an up and coming team but not a top tier team. He supposively loves the game, so maybe he'll comeback and play for a team like Tampa Bay or Chicago. I would love it if he came to Cleveland though.

jrdrylie
02-13-2012, 04:49 PM
I don't want him on the Bears. He doesn't have anything left. He played on three teams in 2010 and then nobody wanted him last year. For his entire career, he has given half-hearted effort but he was able to make up for that with all time great physical abilities. But he has lost that physical talent. Now he is nothing more than an over the hill player with a poor attitude.

bigbluedefense
02-13-2012, 04:52 PM
I can't wait. I wanna see DBs get Moss'd again.

Brown Leader
02-13-2012, 05:41 PM
I would love to see him in Cleveland. But the odds of that are slim to none.
I just hope he doesnt sign with a front running team, I don't mind an up and coming team but not a top tier team. He supposively loves the game, so maybe he'll comeback and play for a team like Tampa Bay or Chicago. I would love it if he came to Cleveland though.

Pipe dreams are fun.

No doubt the Pats could have used him. I'm sure he feels the same.

zachsaints52
02-13-2012, 05:47 PM
If the Saints lose Colston and Meachem, I wouldnt mind taking a flier on him at all. I think Drews personality and Moss wanting a championship would benefit him.

critesy
02-13-2012, 05:56 PM
i want him on the skins just cause its randy ****** moss.

Brodeur
02-13-2012, 06:01 PM
I can't wait. I wanna see DBs get Moss'd again.

Just like they did when he was a Titan and Vikings, right? He'll be 35, he barely played in 2010 and didn't play in 2011, and he's a lazy bastard on the field.

Bulldogs
02-13-2012, 06:02 PM
Just like they did when he was a Titan and Vikings, right? He'll be 35, he barely played in 2010 and didn't play in 2011, and he's a lazy bastard on the field.

He's coming back with a vengeance. Get ready. People said that same thing about him when he left the Raiders.

vidae
02-13-2012, 06:03 PM
Just like they did when he was a Titan and Vikings, right? He'll be 35, he barely played in 2010 and didn't play in 2011, and he's a lazy bastard on the field.

Gotta agree here. Not like the Chiefs need a WR, but even if we did I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team.

Brodeur
02-13-2012, 06:13 PM
He's coming back with a vengeance. Get ready. People said that same thing about him when he left the Raiders.

He was also 30 and not 35, and hadn't just missed an entire year of football after doing ZERO for an entire year prior.

vidae
02-13-2012, 06:14 PM
He was also 30 and not 35, and hadn't just missed an entire year of football after doing ZERO for an entire year prior.

Well, he didn't do much as a Raider so that part is debatable..

zachsaints52
02-13-2012, 06:17 PM
He's coming back with a vengeance. Get ready. People said that same thing about him when he left the Raiders.

Gotta agree here. Not like the Chiefs need a WR, but even if we did I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team.

He needs a QB who actually will stand up to him. You thought maybe Kerry Collins or Brett Favre would call him out on it? No. Brady would, and Drew Brees would. Matt Cassell wouldn't either.

DoughBoy
02-13-2012, 06:20 PM
You guys have a hard time of letting go. He doesn't have it anymore.

zachsaints52
02-13-2012, 06:22 PM
Im talking about in the Saints scheme, where he would be a 4th WR who would just run streaks ala Meachem. Payton admits he would like to try down the field atleast 5 times a game, I would be willing to do a vet minimum for him to be on the field 10 plays a game to run just streaks.

Brown Leader
02-13-2012, 06:27 PM
You guys have a hard time of letting go. He doesn't have it anymore.

http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/2x4761752/Hispanic_boy_with_hand_raised_in_class_BLD051800.j pg

1.Jerry Rice
2.Randy Moss

Complex
02-13-2012, 06:27 PM
Just like they did when he was a Titan and Vikings, right? He'll be 35, he barely played in 2010 and didn't play in 2011, and he's a lazy bastard on the field.

We brought him in to run block not catch the ball.

VernonLawson89
02-13-2012, 07:37 PM
Straight cash homie

ChiFan24
02-13-2012, 08:07 PM
I don't want him on the Bears. He doesn't have anything left. He played on three teams in 2010 and then nobody wanted him last year. For his entire career, he has given half-hearted effort but he was able to make up for that with all time great physical abilities. But he has lost that physical talent. Now he is nothing more than an over the hill player with a poor attitude.

Well you and I disagree my good sir. If it comes down to Randy Moss or overpaying for Meachem/Manningham, I'll take Moss all day. At least give him a workout.

A Perfect Score
02-13-2012, 08:29 PM
I'm just waiting for the part where he holds a Pro Day of sorts, runs a 4.4 at 35, and starts burning DB's again. Hopefully in a Ravens uni.

descendency
02-13-2012, 08:32 PM
Cris Carter says he can run a 4.3 still "probably"

While Carter might not know Randy's situation, he would know about how the end of a career goes and how much "speed" you lose.

descendency
02-13-2012, 08:33 PM
He was also 30 and not 35, and hadn't just missed an entire year of football after doing ZERO for an entire year prior.

Did you see him play for the Raiders??? /sarcasm

A Perfect Score
02-13-2012, 08:34 PM
Cris Carter says he can run a 4.3 still "probably"

While Carter might not know Randy's situation, he would know about how the end of a career goes and how much "speed" you lose.

Moss went on the record today and said he can run between 4.35 and 4.38, apparently.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/13/seriously-can-moss-really-run-a-40-in-under-4-4-seconds/?module=HP11_headline_stack

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
02-13-2012, 08:41 PM
Moss went on the record today and said he can run between 4.35 and 4.38, apparently.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/13/seriously-can-moss-really-run-a-40-in-under-4-4-seconds/?module=HP11_headline_stack

What do you expect him to say? Not like he will say he is running a 4.6 if he was.

ChiFan24
02-13-2012, 08:42 PM
My hopes are officially up for Cutty to be throwing to a cheap Moss/Floyd duo in 2011. Spend all of that free agent cash on Osi and a CB.......

Nalej
02-13-2012, 08:52 PM
What do you expect him to say? Not like he will say he is running a 4.6 if he was.

For what it's worth, he said he ran faster than that last time (before the trade to NE) and he was honest about that.
He allegedly ran close to a 4.3 flat with a private workout with the Pats.
So while I see what you're saying... I wouldn't put it past him.

Nalej
02-13-2012, 08:55 PM
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If I can't get to it. Nobody can get to it.

TitleTown088
02-13-2012, 10:12 PM
Randy Moss on Ustream=straight cash homey.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/otismoss

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
02-13-2012, 10:16 PM
He needs to join team Jesus and catch 10 balls next season. 8 of them TDs.

Complex
02-13-2012, 10:39 PM
n 1998, then-rookie Randy Moss nonchalantly vowed to come to the NFL and “rip it up.” And he did.

Now, a season after retiring, Moss has made a more colorful promise. “I’m coming to tear somebody’s heads off, man,” Moss said in a compelling Monday night video session on Ustream, roughly 12 hours after using the technology to announce his return to football.

He dubs his casual laptop encounters with fans “Moss TV,” and he says he won’t be doing anything with the media. “I don’t wanna be on nobody’s radio, I don’t wanna be on nobody’s newspaper,” Moss said. “This is Moss TV, this is gonna continue to be Moss TV.”

He says he’s “fully committed” to playing, that he’s “still got it,” that he can indeed still run a 4.3 in the 40, but that he doesn’t need to be the No. 1 receiver on his next team.

“I got something on my shoulder and it’s a chip that I need to get it off,” Moss said.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_es8z4hKYoRw/TPjJIxKVpDI/AAAAAAAAAiM/aXeMQ7Wi6tY/s1600/excited.jpg

I believe in Moss.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
02-13-2012, 10:41 PM
Let's not forget that the year he did nothing for three teams, he did this.

CM10IfH8wkQ

A Perfect Score
02-13-2012, 11:07 PM
Dear God I love Randy Moss. Look how easy that is for him.

Jvig43
02-13-2012, 11:17 PM
Dont forget this catch against the bills right around the 1:20 mark.

eomDoZVauYM

49erNation85
02-14-2012, 02:55 AM
come to sf please Moss, we need you......

Razor
02-14-2012, 03:14 AM
Let's not forget that the year he did nothing for three teams, he did this.

CM10IfH8wkQ

Exactly. Moss' problems in 2010 wasn't physical, they were in his head. He didn't like not knowing whether he'd be back with the Pats and couldn't stop obsessing about it. He didn't have a great relationship with coach O'Brien either, which certainly didn't help. I'm not sure if BB would bring Moss back, but I certainly hope so. I think he could play for a few more years with the way that he takes care of his body.

bantx
02-14-2012, 11:00 AM
I hope he comes back and tears it up.

SuperMcGee
02-14-2012, 11:15 AM
Dont forget this catch against the bills right around the 1:20 mark.

eomDoZVauYM

Reggie Corner covering Moss >_<

Good thing we had Whitner over the top.

FlyingElvis
02-14-2012, 11:33 AM
I found it tough to separate the lack of effort and gator arm nonsense from lack of speed. I wouldn't be surprised if Moss lit it up again for a year (as long as the team he's on is winning) but wouldn't expect much, either.

I just don't see how a team decides they want him this year after saying no last year.

Crazy_Chris
02-14-2012, 04:24 PM
I haven't seen many people bring this team up, but the Texans make a lot of sense to me. A legit contender with a great running game, very good QB, and great WR opposite of him.

Ness
02-14-2012, 05:06 PM
I haven't seen many people bring this team up, but the Texans make a lot of sense to me. A legit contender with a great running game, very good QB, and great WR opposite of him.

That would be a good fit.

yo123
02-15-2012, 01:45 AM
Guys Moss is done. He's one of my favorite players ever but he's just done. No one would be happier to see him come back and tear **** up but it's not happening.

Nalej
02-15-2012, 11:43 AM
#goodluckwithhof

lol

Rabscuttle
02-15-2012, 07:47 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120214_cris_carter_randy_moss_engage_in_good_ol_ fashioned_feud

Since people refuse to believe what they saw on their screens season after season.

Complex
02-15-2012, 08:25 PM
Moss TV in 5 minutes.

niel89
02-15-2012, 09:06 PM
he's on right now

http://www.ustream.tv/randymoss

Nalej
02-15-2012, 09:30 PM
Just said he was hand clocked in the 4.3's today

"Best corner I've ever faced? Revis.
No one else has ever given me a problem.
Charles Woodson? No. He'll go to the HOF though."

haha

49erNation85
02-15-2012, 09:43 PM
4.3 yea right . Where is some proof there brah

Ness
02-15-2012, 09:54 PM
Whoa this is weird.

A Perfect Score
02-15-2012, 09:54 PM
4.3 yea right . Where is some proof there brah

Randy Moss running a 4.3 is much more likely then Tim Tebow keeping the starting job past week 8 next year.

Complex
02-15-2012, 10:01 PM
Just said he was hand clocked in the 4.3's today

"Best corner I've ever faced? Revis.
No one else has ever given me a problem.
Charles Woodson? No. He'll go to the HOF though."

haha

Darrell Green ran a 4.5 or 4.4 when he was 50 right? I believe Moss can still run a 4.3 or in the low the 4.4s at worst.

Docta
02-15-2012, 11:16 PM
My hopes are officially up for Cutty to be throwing to a cheap Moss/Floyd duo in 2011. Spend all of that free agent cash on Osi and a CB.......
This.

If we can have Roy Williams, we can have Moss.

49erNation85
02-16-2012, 12:35 AM
Randy Moss running a 4.3 is much more likely then Tim Tebow keeping the starting job past week 8 next year.

Dude that is easily done in Denver. Quinn is not any better in fact IMHO he is worse then Tebow.Quinn is a premier back in this league.If Denver can get Tebow a good running who can stay healthy and a good Wide / Tight End combo watch out that offense will soar back into the play offs next year and maybe with a first round bye even.

Brown Leader
03-06-2012, 02:44 PM
According to Jay Glazer (https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/statuses/177101933692207104), free agent Randy Moss "lit it up" in Tuesday's workout with the Saints.
Profootballtalk also hears Moss got out of breaks quickly, showed a high football IQ and the workout "couldn't have gone any better." Moss ran about 45 routes and "looked like the old Randy," leaving all parties "pretty floored" by the workout. Glazer's sense is that those in attendance didn't expect Moss to perform nearly as well as he did. Moss may end up with multiple suitors and guaranteed money after all.

Matthew Jones
03-06-2012, 03:03 PM
According to Jay Glazer (https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/statuses/177101933692207104), free agent Randy Moss "lit it up" in Tuesday's workout with the Saints.
Profootballtalk also hears Moss got out of breaks quickly, showed a high football IQ and the workout "couldn't have gone any better." Moss ran about 45 routes and "looked like the old Randy," leaving all parties "pretty floored" by the workout. Glazer's sense is that those in attendance didn't expect Moss to perform nearly as well as he did. Moss may end up with multiple suitors and guaranteed money after all.

Is anyone honestly surprised that Randy Moss is still able to ball? His disappointing 2010 season and 2011 retirement was clearly a case of him mentally checking out rather than suddenly losing his athleticism. Moss is the Manny Ramirez of the NFL in terms of being superhumanly gifted at his sport. I'd be far more concerned about Moss becoming a disruption off the field than I would about a decline in his on-field abilities.

descendency
03-06-2012, 04:31 PM
I'm still wanting Randy in NE. I was when he announced he unretired. Randy Moss will probably still be faster than me at 50.

I'm even one of those nuts that thinks Moss is the best WR to step on the field...

Rosebud
03-06-2012, 05:15 PM
Would make a sweet replacement for Mario while we let Ramses Barden get hurt again and Stephen Hill develop.

boknows34
03-11-2012, 08:40 AM
Adam Schefter has just reported Randy Moss will work out for the 49ers on Monday.

niel89
03-11-2012, 04:58 PM
It would be pretty fun to see Moss in SF. I would watch some more 9er game. He would be cheaper than trading a 1st for Wallace and still provide a deep threat. Wallace much better though.

phlysac
03-11-2012, 05:54 PM
It would be pretty fun to see Moss in SF. I would watch some more 9er game. He would be cheaper than trading a 1st for Wallace and still provide a deep threat. Wallace much better though.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Baalke add Moss and Meachum and a project a la Streeter in the draft.

zachsaints52
03-11-2012, 06:13 PM
Orrrrrrrr he could come to New Orleans and be the number 1 WR and break 2000 yards.

GoRavens
03-11-2012, 06:51 PM
honestly, Moss to New Orleans would be awesome.
Their losing Meachem, so with Colston as #1, and Lance Moore as a solid slot WR, this would allow Moss to do what he does best, and burn it deep.
That's if he still has his speed, and hes actually dedicated to improving his game.

BaLLiN
03-11-2012, 07:01 PM
As much as BBD would love Moss in NY, I just don't know If he'd want to be here. Its a large market and he'd get a lot of negative attention for anything he does wrong. If he does good stuff, of course he'll get major recognition, but he'd be our #3 option I feel.

San Diego Chicken
03-11-2012, 07:52 PM
I don't think Moss would enjoy himself very much in SF's offense.

BandwagonPunditry
03-11-2012, 08:08 PM
I don't think Moss would enjoy himself very much in SF's offense.

He'd definitely add something to our offence and I think we should have a look, but no, from his side it's probably not his ideal role.

Rosebud
03-11-2012, 09:38 PM
As much as BBD would love Moss in NY, I just don't know If he'd want to be here. Its a large market and he'd get a lot of negative attention for anything he does wrong. If he does good stuff, of course he'll get major recognition, but he'd be our #3 option I feel.

If he's 100% then Moss would get a lot of balls thrown to him deep from Eli and I think would have a lot of fun.

zachsaints52
03-11-2012, 09:47 PM
honestly, Moss to New Orleans would be awesome.
Their losing Meachem, so with Colston as #1, and Lance Moore as a solid slot WR, this would allow Moss to do what he does best, and burn it deep.
That's if he still has his speed, and hes actually dedicated to improving his game.

We are losing Colston too.....

He'd definitely add something to our offence and I think we should have a look, but no, from his side it's probably not his ideal role.

He cant run block every play, like Hines Ward. Just sign his old butt and let him hit some people blindside style.

WCH
03-11-2012, 09:55 PM
I don't think Moss would enjoy himself very much in SF's offense.

No, this may be a strategic move:

1) Work out for SF, run faster than a 4.5
2) The SF scouts talk about his speed with other scouts at a some Pro Day.
3) Other teams become interested.
4) $$$$$$$$$$

zachsaints52
03-11-2012, 10:05 PM
No, this may be a strategic move:

1) Work out for SF, run faster than a 4.5
2) The SF scouts talk about his speed with other scouts at a some Pro Day.
3) Other teams become interested.
4) $$$$$$$$$$

Well people are already raving about him at the Saints workout, so Im sure he has already made money. If he was smart he would do the SF one and do well then stop because anything more could just hurt him.

Verloren
03-12-2012, 10:21 AM
Jed York is having way too much fun with this.

Former Colt Pro Bowl QB throwing for 49ers tomorrow. To clarify, Coach Harbaugh turning into Capt Comeback to throw to R Moss.

Well people are already raving about him at the Saints workout, so Im sure he has already made money. If he was smart he would do the SF one and do well then stop because anything more could just hurt him.
Or less workouts could hurt him because other teams might think that the Saints/Niners are pulling their leg.

brat316
03-12-2012, 10:32 AM
I read that he never ran a 40 when he worked out with the Saints and Brian Brohm.

phlysac
03-12-2012, 01:58 PM
Matt Maiocco ‏ @MaioccoCSN

The Randy Moss workout lasted 15 minutes. (Or maybe Jim Harbaugh's arm lasted 15 minutes.) They go inside 49ers building to chat.
https://twitter.com/#!/MaioccoCSN

49erNation85
03-12-2012, 03:02 PM
Hell yee do it sf we need some big help and moss would be sweet .

zachsaints52
03-12-2012, 03:04 PM
Jed York is having way too much fun with this.

Former Colt Pro Bowl QB throwing for 49ers tomorrow. To clarify, Coach Harbaugh turning into Capt Comeback to throw to R Moss.


Or less workouts could hurt him because other teams might think that the Saints/Niners are pulling their leg.

People outside of the organization said he did well, so its not our organization putting all the hype. Get the big hype, and wait. If you have one subpar workout you ruin your guarenteed money.

phlysac
03-12-2012, 03:14 PM
Hell yee do it sf we need some big help and moss would be sweet .

14-4 and OT in NFC Championship doesn't scream "need some big help."

49erNation85
03-12-2012, 03:22 PM
14-4 and OT in NFC Championship doesn't scream "need some big help.""

I'm sorry but at wr we do good sir. I'm tired of our crappy core of wide outs who thinks they are good but imo are overrated except for ginn and crabtreee. We need a true nukber one guy and moss could be that guy. Then go and draft hill or some one else in the first round . Because smith needs all tthe help he can get

bantx
03-12-2012, 03:22 PM
Moss would love it in SD only if we lose Vjax id take moss in a chargers even at this point of his career.

Taber21
03-12-2012, 05:34 PM
14-4 and OT in NFC Championship doesn't scream "need some big help."

3 receiving yards from WR's in that loss screams "need big help" when it comes to your receiving corps. Obviously he wasn't referring to your whole team, just the lack of weapons at WR.

phlysac
03-12-2012, 05:54 PM
3 receiving yards from WR's in that loss screams "need big help" when it comes to your receiving corps. Obviously he wasn't referring to your whole team, just the lack of weapons at WR.

Apologies for not reading his mind for context. If Tim Tebow was available he'd want that.

Saints-Tigers
03-12-2012, 06:40 PM
Doesn't matter who the 49ers bring in at WR. You need someone to utilize them.

phlysac
03-12-2012, 06:43 PM
Doesn't matter who the 49ers bring in at WR. You need someone to utilize them.

Perhaps the same guy that utilized Vernon Davis pretty well. Cmon.

marshallb
03-12-2012, 08:32 PM
Per Adam Schefter, the 49ers and Moss agreed to terms on a one year contract.

Adam Schefter
‏ @AdamSchefter

Filed to ESPN: 49ers reached agreement on a one-year deal with wide receiver Randy Moss.

49erNation85
03-12-2012, 08:39 PM
Helllllllllllllll yea 49erssss!!!!!!!!

RaiderNation
03-12-2012, 08:42 PM
Wow, I may not like the 49ers but this tells me Moss still has something left. Harbaugh wouldn't want to bring in a over the hill WR, and Moss must have worked out as well as he was rumored to in New Orleans. They still need a big physical WR, but Moss will give them such a different weapon on offense.

brat316
03-12-2012, 08:43 PM
Alex Smith deep bombs to Moss. Wait Smith can throw it 50 yards?

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2012, 08:50 PM
Yesssss! I am very happy he didn't go to the Saints. Now I can feel good about cheering for him to get a ring.

Brent
03-12-2012, 08:51 PM
Alex Smith deep bombs to Moss. Wait Smith can throw it 50 yards?
Yes, but only to Vernon Davis.

ViperVisor
03-12-2012, 08:52 PM
Alex Smith deep bombs to Moss. Wait Smith can throw it 50 yards?
The last time he had a good stretch the field WR was Antonio Bryant and that year he had a 18.3 avg.

Recently he has been too hard on the long throws or lofting them out of bounds. Over thinking them and no trust or chemistry with the WRs down the field other than Vernon.

PoopSandwich
03-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Manning needs to go to San Fran, would be too epic with that run game, VD, Randy, and that defense.

Taber21
03-12-2012, 08:58 PM
Moss is going to have as much impact on their offense in the redzone as he will in terms of stretching the field. San Fran's redzone offense was pretty bad last year, and this should help improve them substantially.

jrdrylie
03-12-2012, 08:58 PM
Randy Moss is getting a lot of love on here but if he had anything left, he would have played last year. If he does more than 40 catches, 500 yards, 5 TDs I'll be incredibly surprised.

brat316
03-12-2012, 08:59 PM
If he runs something other than in a straight line and jump balls I'll be surprised.

Tebow_Nation
03-12-2012, 09:00 PM
I'm happy for randell moss. He is a great player and will do very well in San Fran with vernon davis,alex smith, and frank gore. Alex smith will have a chance to shine up that manly cannon arm and really let er rip to randell and davis with the deep ball. Randell really looked great in his workouts like the moss of old. This will be very fun to watch. Now I just have to pray that my Denver broncos acquire Peyton Manning so tebow has someone to learn from for the future. I pray everynight after rehearsing my favorite part of the bible.

Taber21
03-12-2012, 09:00 PM
If he runs something other than in a straight line and jump balls I'll be surprised.

So will San Francisco

Complex
03-12-2012, 09:01 PM
Alex Smith ruins Randy Moss comeback :(. Hope I'm wrong.

Rabscuttle
03-12-2012, 09:07 PM
If Alex and Moss hit on a few early in the season, Vernon and Frank will be very happy dudes. Seems like a strange fit, but Harbaugh definitely gets a lot of effort from his guys and they really bought in last year. I guess we'll see.

ChiFan24
03-12-2012, 09:23 PM
Ugh. Massive let down. Smith might be able to find him every once in a while, but he'll miss him so often that Moss is gonna get bored. I wish the Bears had brought him in.

Ness
03-12-2012, 09:31 PM
Alex Smith deep bombs to Moss. Wait Smith can throw it 50 yards?

I don't know. Ask New Orleans.

Ness
03-12-2012, 09:33 PM
Joking aside, not really happy with the signing. Better than our other receivers, but I can already see him bitching and complaining if he doesn't get the ball in Jim Harbaugh's tight end heavy offense.

Whatever. Harbaugh gets the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

Bengalsrocket
03-12-2012, 09:40 PM
Ugh. Massive let down. Smith might be able to find him every once in a while, but he'll miss him so often that Moss is gonna get bored. I wish the Bears had brought him in.

Cutler to Moss would have been about 1,000x as exciting as the current situation. 49ers need to sign Culpepper just so this isn't a waste.

descendency
03-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Per Adam Schefter, the 49ers and Moss agreed to terms on a one year contract.

Very surprised the patriots didn't even kick the tires on him. The deal last year was that he wanted 2 years, but he just signed a 1 year deal...

:(

descendency
03-12-2012, 09:42 PM
Randy Moss is getting a lot of love on here but if he had anything left, he would have played last year. If he does more than 40 catches, 500 yards, 5 TDs I'll be incredibly surprised.

His job is to take the top off the defense.

Ness
03-12-2012, 09:45 PM
Cutler to Moss would have been about 1,000x as exciting as the current situation. 49ers need to sign Culpepper just so this isn't a waste.

Why? So he can throw a record number of interceptions? No we're good.

Nalej
03-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Very surprised the patriots didn't even kick the tires on him. The deal last year was that he wanted 2 years, but he just signed a 1 year deal...

:(

Double :(
So sad.

phlysac
03-12-2012, 09:55 PM
Why? So he can throw a record number of interceptions? No we're good.

It's amazing that since Michael Crabtree, Ted Ginn, Brett Swain, Jason Hill, etc dont haul in bombs all day that Alex Smith has a terrible deep ball. Vernon Davis, Joshua Morgan, and Antonio Bryant disagree.

descendency
03-12-2012, 09:58 PM
It's amazing that since Michael Crabtree, Ted Ginn, Brett Swain, Jason Hill, etc dont haul in bombs all day that Alex Smith has a terrible deep ball. Vernon Davis, Joshua Morgan, and Antonio Bryant disagree.

Randy Moss just became the second best receiver (TE+WR+RB) on that team.

If Alex Smith progresses again or they convince Peyton Manning (and he isn't a shell of his former self) to come to SF, they should be the favorites.

Ness
03-12-2012, 09:59 PM
It's amazing that since Michael Crabtree, Ted Ginn, Brett Swain, Jason Hill, etc dont haul in bombs all day that Alex Smith has a terrible deep ball. Vernon Davis, Joshua Morgan, and Antonio Bryant disagree.

Well that is what happens when you talk to the Madden Generation. Alex Smith has actually shown he's capable of throw a ball 60 yards. Happened in 2006 on a wet and rainy Qwest Field. Caught by Arnaz Battle.

Begin at :41 seconds.

kJ9yOmJr7Tw

phlysac
03-12-2012, 10:11 PM
Well that is what happens when you talk to the Madden Generation. Alex Smith has actually shown he's capable of throw a ball 60 yards. Happened in 2006 on a wet and rainy Qwest Field. Caught by Arnaz Battle.

Begin at :41 seconds.

kJ9yOmJr7Tw

I remember the old Kwame Harris lowlights video. It was filled with Smith to Bryant bombs that were called back for holding penalties.

Ness
03-12-2012, 10:12 PM
Kwame Harris was terrible. Hands down the worst tackle we ever had. Check that, Barry Sims comes in first. At least Harris could protect sometimes.

phlysac
03-12-2012, 10:18 PM
Kwame Harris was terrible. Hands down the worst tackle we ever had. Check that, Anthony Clement comes in first. At least Harris could protect sometimes.

Fixed it for ya.

Brodeur
03-12-2012, 11:27 PM
Randy Moss just became the second best receiver (TE+WR+RB) on that team.

If Alex Smith progresses again or they convince Peyton Manning (and he isn't a shell of his former self) to come to SF, they should be the favorites.

Crabtree and Davis are both better receivers, so no.

GaMeTiMe
03-12-2012, 11:52 PM
Go deep, Randy.

It's just a matter of whether or not defenses trust Alex Smith to throw the ball that far. I wonder if this is a subtle push in the Peyton sweepstakes, or at least reason for Alex Smith to believe so and budge

Saints-Tigers
03-13-2012, 12:03 AM
Perhaps the same guy that utilized Vernon Davis pretty well. Cmon.

Lmao. I was waiting for it. Like it's a big accomplishment for Smith that Vernon Davis can destroy Roman Harper one on one.

40 year old Matt Hasselbeck and John Carlson(who?) also looked like the truth against the Roman Harper coverage, haahha.

zachsaints52
03-13-2012, 12:05 AM
Lmao. I was waiting for it. Like it's a big accomplishment for Smith that Vernon Davis can destroy Roman Harper one on one.

40 year old Matt Hasselbeck and John Carlson(who?) also looked like the truth against the Roman Harper coverage, haahha.

Just had to bring up Harper huh? :(

I dont understand to be honest, but maybe this is a turning point and he thinks he has a better shot of winning a Super Bowl with San Fran then NOLA (He does as of now)

The old Randy wouldve went to where he wouldve gotten the most stats wise, and no one could question thats with the Saints.

GoRavens
03-13-2012, 12:13 AM
Great to see Harbaugh giving Moss another shot.
This is pretty much a sure fire signal that Ted Ginn is gone.
How Moss does is all up to him..
If his body and his mind is still capable of playing, then he could be their #1 target.
I'm interested to see how motivated Moss is, not only that, but how in shape he really is,

Saints-Tigers
03-13-2012, 12:20 AM
NO is a very uncertain situation right now. He probably sees the 9ers as a stable situation, where if he's healthy and as effective as it seems, he'll be unquestionably the top target.

Ness
03-13-2012, 12:52 AM
Great to see Harbaugh giving Moss another shot.
This is pretty much a sure fire signal that Ted Ginn is gone.
How Moss does is all up to him..
If his body and his mind is still capable of playing, then he could be their #1 target.
I'm interested to see how motivated Moss is, not only that, but how in shape he really is,

Ted Ginn might come back because of his value in the return game. He was never really supposed to be in the starting role for the majority of the season. Josh Morgan got hurt though, so that was that.

Ness
03-13-2012, 12:53 AM
Lmao. I was waiting for it. Like it's a big accomplishment for Smith that Vernon Davis can destroy Roman Harper one on one.

40 year old Matt Hasselbeck and John Carlson(who?) also looked like the truth against the Roman Harper coverage, haahha.

Hey he clowned Antrel Rolle at least twice last year too.

Borat
03-13-2012, 12:57 AM
He chose Alex Smith over Chase Daniel. No biggie.

Ness
03-13-2012, 05:52 AM
Moss already starting his antics. Just kidding, but this was a funny quote from his press conference call:


Q: In 2010, it was different than the rest of your career, production-wise. What was behind the drop in production?

Moss: "Well, I don't really want to get into that because you all would not understand if I tell you anyway. So I'm not going to talk about that.

Q: Can Jim Harbaugh still "bring it"?

Moss: "That's funny you ask that. Yes, he can still bring it at his old age. I don't know, he's probably sitting there with an ice pack or something on his shoulder right now, but, yeah, he can still wing it."

It's going to be annoying seeing all the bay area wannabe thugs and gangsters sporting 49er Moss jerseys from now up until 5 years down the line when he isn't with the team anymore and/or it ends in a messy divorce.

phlysac
03-13-2012, 08:46 AM
Lmao. I was waiting for it. Like it's a big accomplishment for Smith that Vernon Davis can destroy Roman Harper one on one.

40 year old Matt Hasselbeck and John Carlson(who?) also looked like the truth against the Roman Harper coverage, haahha.

And Malcolm Jenkins

Feel free to tell me how that relates to Alex Smith not being able to "utilize" Randy Moss.

Brent
03-13-2012, 08:51 AM
It's just a matter of whether or not defenses trust Alex Smith to throw the ball that far.
I submit to you:

Begin at :41 seconds.

kJ9yOmJr7Tw
Of course he is capable.

Saints-Tigers
03-13-2012, 09:34 AM
And Malcolm Jenkins

Feel free to tell me how that relates to Alex Smith not being able to "utilize" Randy Moss.

Our safeties getting torched (again) doesn't prove anything, nor does it insult me at all. It's like saying our team can't get a pass rush to make me argue.

Alex Smith is a mediocre game manager who can't consistently attack deep. Hitting Vernon Davis on 10-15 yard passes and having him either get into the endzone or run the rest of the way doesn't change the fact that he can't consistently get it to his wideouts.

The 49ers wide receivers combined for 48 yards that game(and 1 catch for 3 yards in the next game), and you're bragging and using that as a defense of Smith. Or a video from 06-07 showing him making a deep pass. Isn't it bad that you have to go back 6 years to find a deep throw? lolol. What QB in the NFL absolutely CAN'T make that throw? It's not that it's impossible for them, it's just some guys don't do it well or consistently... like Smith.

I've never seen a fanbase more protective over a player that's preventing them from winning a superbowl. =/ Enjoy having a checkdown master, because if your coach and fanbase didn't continually support a mediocre passer, you'd probably be front runners for Peyton Manning.

phlysac
03-13-2012, 10:14 AM
Our safeties getting torched (again) doesn't prove anything, nor does it insult me at all. It's like saying our team can't get a pass rush to make me argue.

Alex Smith is a mediocre game manager who can't consistently attack deep. Hitting Vernon Davis on 10-15 yard passes and having him either get into the endzone or run the rest of the way doesn't change the fact that he can't consistently get it to his wideouts.

The 49ers wide receivers combined for 48 yards that game(and 1 catch for 3 yards in the next game), and you're bragging and using that as a defense of Smith. Or a video from 06-07 showing him making a deep pass. Isn't it bad that you have to go back 6 years to find a deep throw? lolol. What QB in the NFL absolutely CAN'T make that throw? It's not that it's impossible for them, it's just some guys don't do it well or consistently... like Smith.

I've never seen a fanbase more protective over a player that's preventing them from winning a superbowl. =/ Enjoy having a checkdown master, because if your coach and fanbase didn't continually support a mediocre passer, you'd probably be front runners for Peyton Manning.

Still salty about losing to the 49ers I see.

Come back and talk to me about Alex Smith when you've watched him play more than a few times. Until then, you sound like Skip Bayless.

He routinely hits Vernon Davis on deep throws. The WRs haven't been utilized in a deep passing game since Norv Turner was OC (Martz did, but Smith missed that season.)

The fact remains, that if he can hit Davis on deeps routes with consistency then he can hit other players that are creating separation as well.

And with Carl Nicks, Marques Colston, Robert Meachum, and Drew Brees still unsigned. Sean Payton likely to be suspended, and drafts picks likely to taken away, it's funny that you'd find an opportunity to attack the QB that knocked your team out of the playoffs. Yet you did. Well played.

brat316
03-13-2012, 10:26 AM
Still salty about losing to the 49ers I see.

Come back and talk to me about Alex Smith when you've watched him play more than a few times. Until then, you sound like Skip Bayless.

He routinely hits Vernon Davis on deep throws. The WRs haven't been utilized in a deep passing game since Norv Turner was OC (Martz did, but Smith missed that season.)

The fact remains, that if he can hit Davis on deeps routes with consistency then he can hit other players that are creating separation as well.

And with Carl Nicks, Marques Colston, Robert Meachum, and Drew Brees still unsigned. Sean Payton likely to be suspended, and drafts picks likely to taken away, it's funny that you'd find an opportunity to attack the QB that knocked your team out of the playoffs. Yet you did. Well played.

that is done by good coaches to hide player's weakness.

what does the last bit have anything to do with Smith's play?

phlysac
03-13-2012, 10:32 AM
that is done by good coaches to hide player's weakness.

what does the last bit have anything to do with Smith's play?

Because Jim Hostler, and Jimmy Raye knew how to "get the best out of their QB?"

And the last part doesn't have to do with Smith. Neither did the Roman Harper comment that he made in an attempt to discredit Vernon Davis' importance to the deep passing game (He's the only receiving option that has shown a consistent ability to create separation deep since Antonio Bryant.) I simply mention Vernon Davis as showing that Alex Smith can connect on deep throws and a Saints fan automatically assumes I'm talking about the NFC Championship game. I wasn't. Smith has been hitting Davis routinely on deep seems and wheels. The closed-mindedness of many will simply make the connection to the NFCCG, of which isn't all that relevant because the two biggest passes to Davis weren't deep throws.

brat316
03-13-2012, 10:37 AM
http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/11/6/2542377/49ers-vs-redskins-halftime-update-bruce-miller-collects-first-career

brat316
03-13-2012, 10:42 AM
is that Malcolm Jenkins?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d826006a2/QB-Smith-to-TE-Davis-47-yd-pass

NotMyJob
03-13-2012, 10:49 AM
It's going to be annoying seeing all the bay area wannabe thugs and gangsters sporting 49er Moss jerseys from now up until 5 years down the line when he isn't with the team anymore and/or it ends in a messy divorce.

Why do you gotta be a thug or gangster to wear a Moss jersey? lol

Or are you referring to the type of idiots that still rock jamarcus russell jerseys

phlysac
03-13-2012, 10:53 AM
Alex Smith is a mediocre game manager who can't consistently attack deep.

This is my whole argument. I will agree that Smith needs to let if fly more, but his unwillingness to "throw people open" is NOT because of his arm. Bayless was saying today that Smith can't throw it more than 15 yards. Many posters here have said similar things.

Alex Smith CAN throw it deep, and throw it deep well. He has often with Vernon Davis, and prior to that Antonio Bryant. When Smith has a comfort level with a player getting open deep he has shown the ability to do it.

Can't and hasn't are two entirely different things.

If Moss is getting open deep, Smith will hit him. I have confidence in that.

phlysac
03-13-2012, 10:56 AM
Why do you gotta be a thug or gangster to wear a Moss jersey? lol

Or are you referring to the type of idiots that still rock jamarcus russell jerseys

It seems to be a common feeling amongst many Niners fans. I read an entire thread about how 49ers' fans were upset that New Era is the hat company of the NFL because of all the "thugs" and "gangstas."

It must be a bit of cultural separation that exists in the Bay area. Just an assumption made on my part, being from Western Pennsylvania.

brat316
03-13-2012, 10:59 AM
I want to see what they put out for the NFL draft. They make the fitted wide brim hats. And the traditional thing has been the rounded bill hats.

brat316
03-13-2012, 11:00 AM
http://www.neweracap.com/Libraries/2011_-_Oct_Nov_Dec/draft_420.sflb.ashx

phlysac
03-13-2012, 11:02 AM
I want to see what they put out for the NFL draft. They make the fitted wide brim hats. And the traditional thing has been the rounded bill hats.

The draft hats are flat bills (5950) But they'll release 3950 (rounded) and other styles as well. It's not like you can't bend or round out a 5950 if that's your taste.

Here's the Draft Day hats...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/999052/newerahats.jpg

phlysac
03-13-2012, 11:03 AM
http://www.neweracap.com/Libraries/2011_-_Oct_Nov_Dec/draft_420.sflb.ashx

That 2nd one is sick

I think it's a 9FIFTY Snapback though. I prefer fitted.

New Era will unveil three hats on Draft day. The famed 59FIFTY will be worn by players, while agents, family and friends will wear 9FIFTY snapbacks and 39THIRTY stretch fit caps. Check out the photos below for more, as the caps will be available for purchase at midnight on April 1 at New Era Flagship stores only. On April 2, The Collection will be available at all participating retailers and Neweracap.com.

/hijack.

Ness
03-13-2012, 12:37 PM
The 49ers wide receivers combined for 48 yards that game(and 1 catch for 3 yards in the next game), and you're bragging and using that as a defense of Smith. Or a video from 06-07 showing him making a deep pass. Isn't it bad that you have to go back 6 years to find a deep throw? lolol. What QB in the NFL absolutely CAN'T make that throw? It's not that it's impossible for them, it's just some guys don't do it well or consistently... like Smith.

Is your reading comprehension really this bad? Using that video wasn't to prove that Alex could throw it deep. He has the ability to do that. Using that video was to show he is capable of throwing a ball 60 yards in the air, which is a rarity in itself among all quarterbacks.

Ness
03-13-2012, 12:40 PM
Why do you gotta be a thug or gangster to wear a Moss jersey? lol

Or are you referring to the type of idiots that still rock jamarcus russell jerseys

Yes same crowd. The same kind of people that try to act hard and probably couldn't name an offensive linemen on the team. They just wear the jersey to represent the bay area.

Ness
03-13-2012, 12:43 PM
This is my whole argument. I will agree that Smith needs to let if fly more, but his unwillingness to "throw people open" is NOT because of his arm. Bayless was saying today that Smith can't throw it more than 15 yards. Many posters here have said similar things.

Alex Smith CAN throw it deep, and throw it deep well. He has often with Vernon Davis, and prior to that Antonio Bryant. When Smith has a comfort level with a player getting open deep he has shown the ability to do it.

Can't and hasn't are two entirely different things.

If Moss is getting open deep, Smith will hit him. I have confidence in that.

Did Bayless really say that? My goodness what an idiot.

FlyingElvis
03-13-2012, 01:05 PM
The draft hats are flat bills (5950) But they'll release 3950 (rounded) and other styles as well. It's not like you can't bend or round out a 5950 if that's your taste.

Here's the Draft Day hats...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/999052/newerahats.jpg

That is one ugly ass collection of hats, regardless of brim style.

[do not want]DOG[/do not want]

soybean
03-13-2012, 01:27 PM
Moss should have waited to see where Peyton was going to play first. That would be an unreal tandem.

Ness
03-13-2012, 01:30 PM
The draft hats are flat bills (5950) But they'll release 3950 (rounded) and other styles as well. It's not like you can't bend or round out a 5950 if that's your taste.

Here's the Draft Day hats...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/999052/newerahats.jpg

Please tell me that is some sort of beta version or something. Because those look terrible.

brat316
03-13-2012, 01:32 PM
they have other ones, but those are the draft hats.

Saints-Tigers
03-13-2012, 02:32 PM
Still salty about losing to the 49ers I see.

Come back and talk to me about Alex Smith when you've watched him play more than a few times. Until then, you sound like Skip Bayless.

He routinely hits Vernon Davis on deep throws. The WRs haven't been utilized in a deep passing game since Norv Turner was OC (Martz did, but Smith missed that season.)

The fact remains, that if he can hit Davis on deeps routes with consistency then he can hit other players that are creating separation as well.

And with Carl Nicks, Marques Colston, Robert Meachum, and Drew Brees still unsigned. Sean Payton likely to be suspended, and drafts picks likely to taken away, it's funny that you'd find an opportunity to attack the QB that knocked your team out of the playoffs. Yet you did. Well played.


Lmao, I'm not salty at all. We got beat by a good team. Score shouldn't have been as close as it was really. Alex Smith was mediocre and couldn't get the ball to his receivers even against our porous defense. Vernon Davis wasn't hit on deep routes either, he had some awesome catch and runs though.

If he can hit guys consistently, but doesn't, that's an issue. Having 1 catch of 40+ yards in the regular season is probably pretty "consistent" to you though, hahaha. Most QB's can get it 60 yards downfield, who said very few QBs can do that? Besides, Alex's physical ability isn't really in question, he's just not a very good QB.

You can keep trying to make me mad, it's probably the best feeling you can get when you know your team isn't capable of winning a superbowl, but you can keep telling yourself that Alex Smith is the guy, and keep making excuses for him forever. You guys got past us. Yippeeee, we aren't the 85 bears, and Alex's total inability to get the ball outside to his receivers murdered you and stopped you from going to the superbowl. Grats.

Oh, we signed Colston, but I'm worried about Nicks!! I hope Nicks gets resigned, but if not, it has everything to do with Alex Smith. Relevant!

ViperVisor
03-13-2012, 02:46 PM
Kwame Harris was terrible. Hands down the worst tackle we ever had. Check that, Barry Sims comes in first. At least Harris could protect sometimes.
By holding.

BaLLiN
03-13-2012, 04:09 PM
Please tell me that is some sort of beta version or something. Because those look terrible.

they have other ones, but those are the draft hats.

sorry but he's right, don't like that they are all the main color of the team.

ChiFan24
03-13-2012, 07:59 PM
Alex Smith is deathly afraid of throwing passes more than 15+ yards outside the hashmarks unless it's a single coverage fly route (one of the safer passes you can ask an NFL QB to make, btw). He is beyond afraid to make a mistake, and it's the reason the Niners offense is so stagnant and the WR's don't do anything. No amount of youtube videos of Alex Smith hitting wide open receivers downfield will convince anyone otherwise. He has zero faith in his own arm, and eventually, it's going to lead to Moss not caring anymore (or lobbying for Kaepernick).

As a fan of another good NFC team, it is just so awesome to me that Niners fans/coaches don't see that.

farfromforgotten
03-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Alex Smith is deathly afraid of throwing passes more than 15+ yards outside the hashmarks unless it's a single coverage fly route (one of the safer passes you can ask an NFL QB to make, btw). He is beyond afraid to make a mistake, and it's the reason the Niners offense is so stagnant and the WR's don't do anything. No amount of youtube videos of Alex Smith hitting wide open receivers downfield will convince anyone otherwise. He has zero faith in his own arm, and eventually, it's going to lead to Moss not caring anymore (or lobbying for Kaepernick).

As a fan of another good NFC team, it is just so awesome to me that Niners fans/coaches don't see that.

Now wait a minute, is he "deathly" or "beyond" afraid? Is he "beyond deathly afraid" perhaps? You seem to know Alex Smith very well. Seeing as you know he has "zero faith in his own arm".

Have fun watching your golden boy, gunslinging, "real" QB throw for 4000 yards and 25 TDs with 20+ turnovers. I'll have fun watching my 49ers making a longer playoff run than those other NFC teams. That is just so awesome to me.

phlysac
03-13-2012, 08:55 PM
Now wait a minute, is he "deathly" or "beyond" afraid? Is he "beyond deathly afraid" perhaps? You seem to know Alex Smith very well. Seeing as you know he has "zero faith in his own arm".

Have fun watching your golden boy, gunslinging, "real" QB throw for 4000 yards and 25 TDs with 20+ turnovers. I'll have fun watching my 49ers making a longer playoff run than those other NFC teams. That is just so awesome to me.

Alex Smith had more 40+ yard completions than Jay Cutler last season.

But that's right, poor WR and O-Line play are a valid excuse for Jay Cutler.

Jvig43
03-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Cutler was hurt last season, great argument.

Also is this official yet?

ChiFan24
03-13-2012, 09:17 PM
Now wait a minute, is he "deathly" or "beyond" afraid? Is he "beyond deathly afraid" perhaps? You seem to know Alex Smith very well. Seeing as you know he has "zero faith in his own arm".

Have fun watching your golden boy, gunslinging, "real" QB throw for 4000 yards and 25 TDs with 20+ turnovers. I'll have fun watching my 49ers making a longer playoff run than those other NFC teams. That is just so awesome to me.

Well, you got me. I used two different adverbs. I guess I know nothing about quarterbacks after all.

phlysac
03-13-2012, 09:18 PM
Cutler was hurt last season, great argument.

Also is this official yet?

How about the fact that Jay Cutler has 33 in 78 games while Alex Smith is virtually equal with 29 in 70 games.


And is what official? Moss? Yes. The Hats? Yes.

ChiFan24
03-13-2012, 09:20 PM
Alex Smith had more 40+ yard completions than Jay Cutler last season.

But that's right, poor WR and O-Line play are a valid excuse for Jay Cutler.

I don't need to make excuses for Jay Cutler. Anyone else with a brain can do that for me with the added bonus of not looking like a total homer.

Edit: Didn't realize anyone mentioned anything about Cutler or his # of 40 yard completions either....

phlysac
03-13-2012, 09:25 PM
I don't need to make excuses for Jay Cutler. Anyone else with a brain can do that for me with the added bonus of not looking like a total homer.

Edit: Didn't realize anyone mentioned anything about Cutler or his # of 40 yard completions either....

It's pretty ridiculous that a player can be absolutely BASHED for not airing it out when he has nearly as many 40+ passes as a gunslinger with an all-time great arm.

Alot of the opinion on Alex Smith is based upon media representation and not what has actually been shown on the field.

ChiFan24
03-13-2012, 09:31 PM
It's pretty ridiculous that a player can be absolutely BASHED for not airing it out when he has nearly as many 40+ passes as a gunslinger with an all-time great arm.

Alot of the opinion on Alex Smith is based upon media representation and not what has actually been shown on the field.

I don't know what anyone else said, but I didn't say he's afraid to make throws downfield. The youtube videos have clearly show he's more than willing to flutter passes 40 yards down the field to receivers that have a step on their man. I said he's afraid to make mistakes and therefore doesn't make intermediate throws outside the hashmarks that are there for the taking. All of his reads are directly in front of his face.

Ness
03-13-2012, 09:33 PM
I don't know what anyone else said, but I didn't say he's afraid to make throws downfield. The youtube videos have clearly show he's more than willing to flutter passes 40 yards down the field to receivers that have a step on their man. I said he's afraid to make mistakes and therefore doesn't make intermediate throws outside the hashmarks that are there for the taking. All of his reads are directly in front of his face.

Most of his short to intermediate throws came outside the numbers. He doesn't throw the ball over the middle as much.

phlysac
03-13-2012, 09:36 PM
For being so afraid, he completed just under 60% of his passes 20+

Jvig43
03-13-2012, 09:38 PM
I hate Cutler, always have but are we really having a discussion about Smith being on the same level as Cutler? Because that would be asinine.

Ness
03-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Alex Smith essentially had a Troy Aikman-type season stat wise. The offense needs to have him emerge more as a passing threat, and that might happen. We'll see.

ChiFan24
03-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Most of his short to intermediate throws came outside the numbers. He doesn't throw the ball over the middle as much.

I never see him throw it to guys that aren't wide open, is the overarching point. I never see him willing to stick a throw between a corner and safety. If that's not the case, I am watching the wrong games, but ****....I sure watch more Rams-49er games than I would like. (along with other games that people not being subjected to the Rams would watch)

Ness
03-13-2012, 09:39 PM
I hate Cutler, always have but are we really having a discussion about Smith being on the same level as Cutler? Because that would be asinine.

I'd say Alex is better at not turning the ball over. Cutler has been a victim of some terrible offensive schemes. He would have been a lot better if he was in Denver under Shanahan's system instead of Mike Martz. Overall Cutler is still the better player.

Ness
03-13-2012, 09:42 PM
I never see him throw it to guys that aren't wide open, is the overarching point. I never see him willing to stick a throw between a corner and safety. If that's not the case, I am watching the wrong games, but ****....I sure watch more Rams-49er games than I would like.

He doesn't take as many chances. You are right about that. Perhaps he doesn't trust his arm as much or he's just overthinking. Or maybe Harbaugh has instilled in him that it's okay to throw balls away or just take the safer option.

Saints-Tigers
03-13-2012, 10:33 PM
He doesn't take as many chances. You are right about that. Perhaps he doesn't trust his arm as much or he's just overthinking. Or maybe Harbaugh has instilled in him that it's okay to throw balls away or just take the safer option.


It's been a problem since before Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh finds Alex a good fit, because his philosophy masks Smith's biggest deficiency.

BandwagonPunditry
03-14-2012, 12:08 AM
It's been a problem since before Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh finds Alex a good fit, because his philosophy masks Smith's biggest deficiency.

Smith biggest problem for me is over-thinking things - that's where the hesitancy and the check downs come from. He's an extremely intelligent guy, but he's almost too clinical, too methodical. One of the knocks against him coming out was that he'd have to fully understand the offence in order to thrive in it and, as has been covered ad nauseum, this is only the second time he'll be returning to the system that he played under the previous year.

Personally I'm treating Smith as a QB with much less experience than his career length suggests. His only full season prior to last year was 2006, which was also the only previous season in which he had a coaching staff capable of developing him. Many good QBs have taken time to develop. It's only recently for example that Eli Manning has been talked about as an elite QB and Bree's early struggles in San Diego are well documented - I'm not saying Smith will ever necessarily reach elite levels, but just pointing out that progression after early struggles does happen. He does have the physical tools to be a good starter, but he needs to show progression this year. If he can build on last year's success then I'll be very happy.

As for why Harbaugh thinks Alex is a good fit? Harbs likes character and people who aren't afraid to put in the grind. I think he sees a lot of himself in Smith, a gritty player who's always working, even if his skills aren't elite. Smith's often wrongly portrayed as not being brave, probably thanks to Nolan questioning his toughness when he couldn't play through a separated shoulder. Quite to the contrary, Smith's hard as nails.

I think Harbs was genuinely surprised by Smith last year. The FO knew that Kaepernick couldn't start right away and the shortened off-season kept Smith in the fold when most of us thought he'd be glad to leave. He accepted a one year 'prove it' deal and rose to the challenge of leading the offence with aplomb. He won the respect of the locker room and took the team deep into the playoffs. I don't think Harbaugh expected that, and I think he respects him a lot because of it.

One final point: I think some people are saying Harbaugh's wrong to back himself as someone that can finally develop Smith into a good QB whilst also saying Smith's progression is only due to Harbaugh's coaching. You can't have it both ways folks.

Ness
03-14-2012, 12:25 AM
It's been a problem since before Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh finds Alex a good fit, because his philosophy masks Smith's biggest deficiency.

No, it wasn't really a problem before Harbaugh. Not to this degree. It certainly wasn't a problem with Norv Turner where Smith took a lot more chances down the filed. That being said, it's also been hard to gauge him consistently, because since his days with Turner he's been with bad offensive coordinator after bad offensive coordinator.