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JohnCandy
02-20-2012, 09:02 PM
We know that David DeCastro is the consensus #1 interior OLmen in this draft, but it is a strong interior draft.

If you were targeting interior OL in the 1st round who would you pick and why?

Cordy Glenn
Peter Konz

Ozzy
02-20-2012, 09:15 PM
Is this a joke? Peter Konz by a MILE!!!!!!!!

PossibleCabbage
02-20-2012, 09:15 PM
In my book, Konz is the best pure center prospect since Mangold. In terms of positional value OC>OG.

The only way you would take Glenn in the first round, period, is if you think he can be a good OT. He's not a first round guard. He may be a first round OL, but that's not because you have him pegged as an guard.

niel89
02-20-2012, 09:17 PM
Can Konz play guard year or 2 early on?

I only ask because for the Ravens if Birk comes back for 1 more year and we lose Grubbs, then it would be really helpful if Konz could take over for a year at guard and play decently.

I would be pretty happy to snag either for where the Ravens are.

Don Vito
02-20-2012, 09:25 PM
I'd say they are pretty even. I would take Konz on the Patriots over Glenn because center is a big need for us, but I think Glenn has become over-analyzed to the point where he is becoming underrated just like Mike Oher a few years ago. Glenn is a guard at the next level and guard is his natural position, I think he will be a stud there in the NFL. He was playing out of position at LT this year, if he was at his natural gurad position he would have been a force. It is apples and oranges, but think how Konz would have done lining up out of position at LT in the SEC this year.

zachsaints52
02-20-2012, 09:40 PM
In my book, Konz is the best pure center prospect since Mangold. In terms of positional value OC>OG.

The only way you would take Glenn in the first round, period, is if you think he can be a good OT. He's not a first round guard. He may be a first round OL, but that's not because you have him pegged as an guard.

Alex Mack to me is the best since Mangold.

PossibleCabbage
02-20-2012, 10:08 PM
Alex Mack to me is the best since Mangold.

Konz and Mack are pretty close, IMO. But I give Konz a clear lean over both Pounceys.

TACKLE
02-20-2012, 10:09 PM
Konz and Mack are pretty close, IMO. But I give Konz a clear lean over both Pounceys.

And I would agree with you.

Brothgar
02-20-2012, 10:13 PM
Glenn has an ability to go Brandon Albert and play OT.

zachsaints52
02-20-2012, 10:16 PM
Konz and Mack are pretty close, IMO. But I give Konz a clear lean over both Pounceys.

I think both Pounceys should be Gs anyways.

But to me, Mack is amazing. I feel that if he was in a bigger market/better team he would be All-Pro caliber and challenge Mangold.

DeepThreat
02-20-2012, 10:27 PM
I think both Pounceys should be Gs anyways.

But to me, Mack is amazing. I feel that if he was in a bigger market/better team he would be All-Pro caliber and challenge Mangold.

Can't say I agree with your Mack sentiments. He's good, but not great.

As for the thread topic, Konz easily.

TACKLE
02-20-2012, 10:29 PM
Glenn has an ability to go Brandon Albert and play OT.

Except for that doesn't really apply because Cordy played left tackle this past season.

killxswitch
02-20-2012, 10:29 PM
Both will be good pros and I think many teams could afford to mostly base such a decision on need, but I'd pick Konz.

Inspector71
02-20-2012, 10:32 PM
Glenn because he can be a RT, OG and fill in at LT in a pinch. He offers more value. konz can play 3 positions, Glenn can play 4.

SenorGato
02-21-2012, 03:42 AM
In my book, Konz is the best pure center prospect since Mangold. In terms of positional value OC>OG.

The only way you would take Glenn in the first round, period, is if you think he can be a good OT. He's not a first round guard. He may be a first round OL, but that's not because you have him pegged as an guard.

This.

I really like Glenn, but Konz is a decade long starter at C.

Anyway, for the Jets it would be Glenn, but that's because the Jets already have Mangold. Glenn needs some coaching to play RT because he does have flaws, but the Jets happen to have alot invested in OL coaching right now (Sporano + a new guy who was a good hire but who's name I forget).

Prowler
02-21-2012, 06:58 AM
I think everybody is forgetting how well Alex Mack performed at his Senior Bowl. Konz is good, but pre-combine its all Alex Mack until Konz proves otherwise.

I personally prefer Konz to Glenn. Glenn reminds me of a Shawn Andrews/Damien Woody type guy. Konz should be at least a solid starter and have top 5 potential at his position.

JohnCandy
02-21-2012, 09:00 AM
How is Peter Konz as a pass blocker?

I have not seen enough tape of him to form an opinion.

Master Exploder
02-21-2012, 10:06 AM
I say Cordy Glenn. I think he has more value to actual NFL scouts than internet scouts and I don't think David DeCastro has a lock as the #1 guard either. I would not be surprised if Glenn ends up being a top 15 pick.

PossibleCabbage
02-21-2012, 12:48 PM
How is Peter Konz as a pass blocker?

He's fundamentally sound but needs to get stronger. Sometimes he'll overextend a bit trying to get an initial punch in pass pro, but that's correctable through coaching and in the weight-room. Other than that he's a very natural bender with excellent pad level (stark contrast to Glenn), his hand work is excellent (he has the proverbial "heavy hands"), and he's got excellent flexibility and a stout base.

Barring something unforseen, he looks like a 10 year starter at C who will make some pro bowls.

Iamcanadian
02-21-2012, 02:01 PM
Konz and Mack are pretty close, IMO. But I give Konz a clear lean over both Pounceys.

I disagree, Mangold, Mack and the 2 Pouncy's are head and shoulders above Konz.

Konz is not a physical player but gets by with his excellent technique, hand placement and consistency.

Konz is a borderline 1st rounder, he has very early round 2 talent but the last 4 picks in round 1 will be all selecting round 2 talent, so he just might slip in at the end of round 1.

Mangold, Mack and the 2 Pouncy's were all solid round 1 talents so Konz isn't in their league although I expect him to have a fine career in the NFL as a starter.

Iamcanadian
02-21-2012, 02:05 PM
I say Cordy Glenn. I think he has more value to actual NFL scouts than internet scouts and I don't think David DeCastro has a lock as the #1 guard either. I would not be surprised if Glenn ends up being a top 15 pick.

If Glenn weighed in at the combine at 330lbs, I'd agree completely but until he shows up under his listed 346, I think he will be a huge disappointment at the next level, unable to perform at a top level for 4 quarters.
We'll know in a few days how hard he has worked to get himself into shape.

mightytitan9
02-21-2012, 02:29 PM
Konz is going to be a pro-bowler for 10+ years at Center, and I feel like he can also play Guard at a pro-bowl level.

Glenn on the other hand reminds me of Andre Smith, can he play LT? Yes, but not at a high level. Can he play RT? Yes, he can be a solid starter. Can he play OG? Yes, Bingo he can be a pro bowler here.

To me, the key honestly is the offensive scheme. Konz can honestly fit at C and OG in every scheme in my opinion, he's fast, agile and smart enough to play in a zone scheme, yet powerful enough to be in a power game.

Glenn can play RT in certain schemes, and guards in certain schemes. The Redskins, Texans and Titans won't be looking at Glenn anytime soon I assure you

mightytitan9
02-21-2012, 02:30 PM
If Glenn weighed in at the combine at 330lbs, I'd agree completely but until he shows up under his listed 246, I think he will be a huge disappointment at the next level, unable to perform at a top level for 4 quarters.
We'll know in a few days how hard he has worked to get himself into shape.

I don't see him showing up under 246. lol just kidding I know it's a typo just wanted to bring it to your attention

JohnCandy
02-21-2012, 03:13 PM
What would happen if we added Brandon Washington to the conversation?

I know he is not a 1st round pick, but how does he compare to Osemele and Zeitler in the 2nd round?

SenorGato
02-21-2012, 03:56 PM
I think everybody is forgetting how well Alex Mack performed at his Senior Bowl. Konz is good, but pre-combine its all Alex Mack until Konz proves otherwise.

I personally prefer Konz to Glenn. Glenn reminds me of a Shawn Andrews/Damien Woody type guy. Konz should be at least a solid starter and have top 5 potential at his position.

I'm confused here...Why does it sound like a bad thing to be a Shawn Andrews/Damien Woody type? What do Shawn Andrews and Damien Woody even have in common?

Prowler
02-21-2012, 04:03 PM
Its not them together, but them in relation to Glenn. Andrews is the most common comparison that I hear to Glenn. Shawn was a big guy with decent feet inside but was undone by injuries. Woody was an interior lineman who was athletic enough to kick out to right tackle. There is a higher injury risk with bigger linemen and the upside is a versatile guard/tackle.

As opposed to the 'solid starter with top 5 type potential' at the pivot in Konz.

zachsaints52
02-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Konz is going to be a pro-bowler for 10+ years at Center, and I feel like he can also play Guard at a pro-bowl level.

Konz doesnt stand a chance to be Pro Bowl caliber because he would have to beat out either Mangold/Mack/Pouncey or Kalil/Wells. Not to mention Pro Bowls dont mean much, while All-Pros will go to one of these guys.

SenorGato
02-21-2012, 04:23 PM
Its not them together, but them in relation to Glenn. Andrews is the most common comparison that I hear to Glenn. Shawn was a big guy with decent feet inside but was undone by injuries. Woody was an interior lineman who was athletic enough to kick out to right tackle. There is a higher injury risk with bigger linemen and the upside is a versatile guard/tackle.

As opposed to the 'solid starter with top 5 type potential' at the pivot in Konz.

Andrews at his best had amazing feet...If he wasn't a lazy, crazy guy he could have played anywhere on the OL and dominated. As it was, because of his work ethic he only became an All Pro G for a couple of seasons. The talent was HOF good though...The guy as a prospect might be a top 5 OL prospect of the 2000's. Physically, he had every gift you needed.

Woody had a reputation as being a significantly better T than G...and a decade starter in the NFL with completely different makeup from Andrews.

I get the point you were trying to make though...Just picking at it a little. I do think Glenn superficially can be said to be the mid-point between these two guys...and I do hope he can play RT.

Iamcanadian
02-22-2012, 06:30 AM
What would happen if we added Brandon Washington to the conversation?

I know he is not a 1st round pick, but how does he compare to Osemele and Zeitler in the 2nd round?

If he pans out well at the combine, I think he has a real shot to go ahead of both. I'd already have him ahead of Osemele and Zeitler didn't look all that great at the Senior Bowl. He'll be picked in the 40's range which likely puts him ahead of both and a solid second rounder.
He's a rugged interior blocker with size, strength and athleticism and will start from day 1.

Sloopy
02-22-2012, 07:01 AM
I think people are starting to overrate Konz here because he is the #1 C in this draft.

The guy is good but I think he is also somewhat a product of playing on what was just a dominant OL.

As for the poll: Konz but I wouldn't even say by much.

Glenn is getting undersold here and Konz is being overrated

SenorGato
02-22-2012, 11:32 AM
Glenn is definitely undersold. As a G he stacks right with the waaaaaaay more hyped DeCastro. He's one of the better players in this draft if you're a fan.

K Train
02-22-2012, 12:08 PM
im on board with either...the problem with glenn is if hes 350 he can be a studly guard like andrews or even leonard davis...but those guys wore down pretty quick. he carries his weight well, kinda like marcus cannon did last year. hes got feet to swing out to tackle but why? im not putting him as a middle of the pack tackle if i can get a top 5 guard.

most people have him going to the steelers, i think id love the pick as of right now. konz id love to the steelers if they would put pouncey at LG to make sweet sweet sexual magic on turf

jimmylishis
02-22-2012, 07:59 PM
It depends on what you're looking for. If you're drafting purely on potential it's easily Glenn but if you want a polished player you go konz. For me it's konz but Glenn has a higher ceiling IMO

Inspector71
02-22-2012, 11:15 PM
im on board with either...the problem with glenn is if hes 350 he can be a studly guard like andrews or even leonard davis...but those guys wore down pretty quick. he carries his weight well, kinda like marcus cannon did last year. hes got feet to swing out to tackle but why? im not putting him as a middle of the pack tackle if i can get a top 5 guard.

most people have him going to the steelers, i think id love the pick as of right now. konz id love to the steelers if they would put pouncey at LG to make sweet sweet sexual magic on turf

How do you figure he's a "middle of the pack" tackle? That is total conjecture on your part.

He has all the physical ability to be a DOMINANT RT in the NFL.

PossibleCabbage
02-22-2012, 11:44 PM
He has all the physical ability to be a DOMINANT RT in the NFL.

Honestly, I think the days of the "big mean, road-grading RT" are over. To be a great RT in the NFL these days, you have to have quick enough feet to block guys like Clay Matthews and Von Miller, because defensive coordinators figured out a couple years back that there's a lot of RTs in the league who are easy to beat with the speed rush.

Historically there have been two kinds of great RTs: the aforementioned man-mountain, and the sort of lunchpail guy without elite tools who will always execute the correct assignment and doesn't commit penalties. I think the days of the former are ending.

I think a great RT for a quality NFL team these days is essentially "a left tackle who can run-block" which is not how I would describe Glenn.

Mufasa
02-23-2012, 12:13 AM
Glenn because he can be a RT, OG and fill in at LT in a pinch. He offers more value. konz can play 3 positions, Glenn can play 4.
That means nothing. If an offensive lineman is any good he's going to settle into one position and only play that position. Versatility is great for backup OL, but for solid starters it doesn't matter.
Konz doesnt stand a chance to be Pro Bowl caliber because he would have to beat out either Mangold/Mack/Pouncey or Kalil/Wells. Not to mention Pro Bowls dont mean much, while All-Pros will go to one of these guys.
Wells is a one time pro bowler and he's 31. He's nothing close to a lock to be back on a yearly basis now. Not to mention he's a free agent so he could be in the AFC next year anyway.

K Train
02-23-2012, 04:40 PM
How do you figure he's a "middle of the pack" tackle? That is total conjecture on your part.

He has all the physical ability to be a DOMINANT RT in the NFL.
i just think the chances of him being a crushing guard>>>the chances of him being a great tackle

JohnCandy
02-23-2012, 04:43 PM
Konz is as big as listed 6'5" 314lbs. shows me he may be able to play OG in the NFL.

The rest of the centers were WAY smaller than they were listed.

Iamcanadian
02-23-2012, 05:35 PM
Konz is as big as listed 6'5" 314lbs. shows me he may be able to play OG in the NFL.

The rest of the centers were WAY smaller than they were listed.

Either way, he'll need to go to a zone blocking scheme since he depends completely on technique, positioning and hand placement to get the job done. He's not very physical.

Jimmy
02-25-2012, 09:17 AM
Cordy Glenn looks PHENOMINAL today. Ran a sub 5.00 40, even did well in the tackle drills.

PossibleCabbage
02-25-2012, 10:19 AM
Either way, he'll need to go to a zone blocking scheme since he depends completely on technique, positioning and hand placement to get the job done. He's not very physical.

Honestly, I thought everybody already knew that Kontz is an ideal center for an angle-scheme, but not a great fit for a man or power blocking focus.

If I'm drafting him as my center, it's because I want him to pass block more than anything else.