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niel89
02-23-2012, 12:05 PM
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21BoysFan21
02-23-2012, 12:29 PM
Nice... how is it that we have DeCastro's measurables and no one else's? Strange.

Pretty on point with the prototype of elite OG size for DeCastro.

RaiderNation
02-23-2012, 12:35 PM
Mike Adams checks in at 6'7 323lbs.

RaiderNation
02-23-2012, 01:46 PM
Matt Kalil checks in at 6'6 306lbs, says he can easily be playing around 310 once the season starts. Lock to go in the top 3 depending on what happens with RG3.

keylime_5
02-23-2012, 01:52 PM
I think he's a lock to go in the top 3 regardless of what happens with RGIII. If St.Louis picks at #2 they take Kalil, and if Griffin goes #2 to someone then Kalil goes to Minnesota.

Phins827
02-23-2012, 01:54 PM
I think he's a lock to go in the top 3 regardless of what happens with RGIII. If St.Louis picks at #2 they take Kalil, and if Griffin goes #2 to someone then Kalil goes to Minnesota.

Agree completely

niel89
02-23-2012, 02:01 PM
Weak, Bobby Wagner (LB Utah St) is out for the combine with a Pneumonia.

Matthew Jones
02-23-2012, 02:02 PM
Nice weigh-ins for Adams, DeCastro, Kalil.

SolidGold
02-23-2012, 02:03 PM
Reiff 6'5" 313
No arm length or hand measurements

SolidGold
02-23-2012, 02:03 PM
OG Kevin Zeitler 6037 / 314
Peter Konz 6050 / 314
Jonathan Martin 6053 / 312

Matthew Jones
02-23-2012, 02:04 PM
I thought Reiff might be 6'6".

Matthew Jones
02-23-2012, 02:04 PM
Very impressive for Martin, I thought he was a candidate to come in at 6'4".

Hines
02-23-2012, 02:12 PM
When do all the drills start?

Crazy_Chris
02-23-2012, 02:17 PM
When do all the drills start?

Tomorrow...

Anyone find Kalil and Reiff's arm length?

RaiderNation
02-23-2012, 02:23 PM
Konz is going to be the real deal at Center, probably will end up as a top 25 prospect and could go to a team like New England, Baltimore, Tennessee or New York Giants late in the 1st.

Good height and weight for Martin, I still think his stock is on the decline though. #4 OT behind Kalil, Reiff and Adams.

AntoinCD
02-23-2012, 02:41 PM
Both the Wisconsin guys have me intrigued. Konz is every bit the prospect either Pouncey was for me

niel89
02-23-2012, 03:01 PM
Coby Fleener measures in at 6-6, 247, 33 3/8 arms with 10" hands.

keylime_5
02-23-2012, 03:02 PM
when do the coin tosses happen for the Dolphins/Panthers and Seahawks/Chiefs. I thought it was today, but it must be tomorrow, no?

keylime_5
02-23-2012, 03:05 PM
Apparently Mike Brewster is 6'2"???? He was 6'4" 1/2 at the senior bowl. that must be wrong.

P-L
02-23-2012, 03:10 PM
I thought Reiff might be 6'6".
Reiff measured in at 6056, which is closer to 6'6" than it is 6'5".

niel89
02-23-2012, 03:12 PM
Apparently Mike Brewster is 6'2"???? He was 6'4" 1/2 at the senior bowl. that must be wrong.

Good call. Now I'm leery of those weigh in numbers until I see them from another source. Why isn't this stuff up on NFL.com? You run the league, get it together!

TonyGfortheTD
02-23-2012, 03:12 PM
when do the coin tosses happen for the Dolphins/Panthers and Seahawks/Chiefs. I thought it was today, but it must be tomorrow, no?

Friday morning

Babylon
02-23-2012, 03:35 PM
Reiff measured in at 6056, which is closer to 6'6" than it is 6'5".

I knew that college education would come in handy for you. Just kidding of course.

Any of these weigh-ins mean very little unless they're heavily to the downside.

brat316
02-23-2012, 03:37 PM
i want to know who is flabby and out of shape.

Babylon
02-23-2012, 03:42 PM
Coby Fleener measures in at 6-6, 247, 33 3/8 arms with 10" hands.

Those numbers are right up there with what he needs to get into the latter part of round 1. He should just send a box of chocolates to a team like New England for making TEs relevant again.

Crazy_Chris
02-23-2012, 04:07 PM
On top of everything else great about Matt Kalil his arms measured at 34 1/2 inches aswell...

Dear Football Gods,

Kalil needs to be a Viking.

JoeJoeBrown
02-23-2012, 04:36 PM
Apparently Mike Adams said the Browns asked him about playing RT.

JohnCandy
02-23-2012, 04:40 PM
Impressed

Bobbie Massie [6'6" 312lbs. 35" Arms]

A guy who could really be climbing boards.

Kelechi Osemele [6'6" 333lbs. 36" Arms]

I do not know what to make of him, but damn he looks the part.

Peter Konz [6'5" 314lbs. 33"Arms]

Most centers are smaller than listed and he has the size to play OG as well.

Zerbie Sanders [6'6" 320lbs. 35"Arms]

Maybe more than a Zone Blocking LT.

Brandon Washington [6'3" 320lbs 33"Arms]

The measurements are not incredible, but look at pictures of this guy he is a well put together 320lbs.

jrdrylie
02-23-2012, 04:58 PM
Can you watch the drills online?

MidwayMonster31
02-23-2012, 05:11 PM
Did Massie spend his whole career at Ole Miss at right tackle? I had him going in the late second round, but if he played well at left tackle before, he can go up.
And NFL.com let's you watch the drills starting Saturday.

A Perfect Score
02-23-2012, 05:20 PM
Posting to bookmark. Was going to start this thread myself. Excellent stuff.

Babylon
02-23-2012, 05:53 PM
Apparently Mike Adams said the Browns asked him about playing RT.

Not sure how they would be in play for him, barring a trade.

keylime_5
02-23-2012, 06:02 PM
who knows how the draft plays out.....maybe Mike falls to 22 (doubtful), maybe the Browns move up from 22 to get him. I know Washington asked him about playing RT too.......but these things are b/c the Browns and Redskins both have good franchise left tackles in place already and need right tackles.

SterlingArcher
02-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Im interested to see what Jenkins does, if he does a full workout (doubtful). Also what he measures in at.

descendency
02-23-2012, 06:11 PM
Matt Kalil checks in at 6'6 306lbs, says he can easily be playing around 310 once the season starts. Lock to go in the top 3 depending on what happens with RG3.

I'd place a bet that the draft goes

1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin
3. Matt Kalil

Though, I wouldn't pick teams for those picks.

ChiFan24
02-23-2012, 06:12 PM
The combine already started?!?!? Good lord.

TACKLE
02-23-2012, 06:13 PM
It is so very lame that Blackmon will not be running. I'll give Alshon more credit for running a 4.61 at the combine than Blackmon running a 4.55 at his pro day.

scottyboy
02-23-2012, 06:16 PM
i'm becoming a big Massie fan. Not sure if the Giants can get him at 64 and he may be a reach at 32, but I'm a fan of his

bored of education
02-23-2012, 06:19 PM
Massie is a very good RT prospect. Late 2nd would not be a reach, I have him int the 75-90 range.

bored of education
02-23-2012, 06:19 PM
Mike Adams is sexy, or so I heard

Don Vito
02-23-2012, 06:38 PM
Did Massie spend his whole career at Ole Miss at right tackle? I had him going in the late second round, but if he played well at left tackle before, he can go up.
And NFL.com let's you watch the drills starting Saturday.

He played a little RG as a freshman when John Jerry was RT, but at the tail end of the season Jerry moved to RG and Massie moved to RT and it was a huge success. The first game we did that was when McCluster ran for 200 something yards against Tennessee. From that point through this season Massie stayed at RT.

Massie should have been playing LT for the last two years because our LT Bradley Sowell sucks. Massie is an impressive specimen but is definitely suited for RT in the NFL, he is not an NFL LT. He probably has the ability to play there, but our coaching staff was ******** and kept him on the right side in favor of Bradley ******* Sowell. He is another Ole Miss guy who will probably blossom into a stud in the NFL after being considered somewhat raw coming out of school.

bored of education
02-23-2012, 06:42 PM
Bradley Sowell is AWFUL!

Don Vito
02-23-2012, 06:50 PM
Worst part about Sowell is everything. He came into the LT vacancy left by Oher, and at first everyone was saying "oh give hime time he has big shoes to fill." He did have big shoes to fill, and he never came close. Ole Miss has had some awful excuses for SEC starters in my time here, but Sowell was the worst. He got whipped for three years.

Somehow he was pre-season All SEC this year and was on the cover of our media guide. We may not have had much this year but at least put Brandon Bolden on it.

The worst Sowell moment is probably one of the worst moments any athlete at any level has ever had. When we were ranked #4 in the country and lost to South Carolina, he had this to say after getting his **** pushed in by Eric Norwood all game.

"I'm glad it's gone," left tackle Bradley Sowell said of the high-intensity spotlight, "so we can just get back to basics and win ballgames."

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2009/9/25/1054881/im-glad-its-gone-left-tackle

That should be all any NFL team ever needs to take him off their boards completely, even if he was a stud I wouldn't get near him if I were a GM. It's not like we were 18-0 going into the Super Bowl. Good God I still get pissed every time I see that.

scottyboy
02-23-2012, 07:04 PM
He played a little RG as a freshman when John Jerry was RT, but at the tail end of the season Jerry moved to RG and Massie moved to RT and it was a huge success. The first game we did that was when McCluster ran for 200 something yards against Tennessee. From that point through this season Massie stayed at RT.

Massie should have been playing LT for the last two years because our LT Bradley Sowell sucks. Massie is an impressive specimen but is definitely suited for RT in the NFL, he is not an NFL LT. He probably has the ability to play there, but our coaching staff was ******** and kept him on the right side in favor of Bradley ******* Sowell. He is another Ole Miss guy who will probably blossom into a stud in the NFL after being considered somewhat raw coming out of school.

I'm glad to hear this, especially coming from you. I value your Ole Miss opinions highly and I like Massie. I know you'd probably hate it, but my goodness I'd love for him to be our future RT

Don Vito
02-23-2012, 07:16 PM
He would fit in well with the Giants. He is a power player with some versatility who has the athleticism of a top notch NFL lineman. As for him going to the Giants, I have to deal with Mike Wallace on the Steelers and Oher on the Ravens. Two teams I can't stand. I like to see Ole Miss guys do well, but I would prefer them to do it either on the Pats or teams I don't care about like Willis on the Niners.

So keep your filthy hands off of him damn it.

coordinator0
02-23-2012, 07:18 PM
He would fit in well with the Giants. He is a power player with some versatility who has the athleticism of a top notch NFL lineman. As for him going to the Giants, I have to deal with Mike Wallace on the Steelers and Oher on the Ravens. Two teams I can't stand. I like to see Ole Miss guys do well, but I would prefer them to do it either on the Pats or teams I don't care about like Willis on the Niners.

So keep your filthy hands off of him damn it.

The Ravens have to deal with Oher on the Ravens too :(. I think he'll be better next season. We can only hope...

Don Vito
02-23-2012, 07:20 PM
They were talking about him moving inside to guard if you lose Grubbs or Yanda. I think he could do it, he did it here as a freshman but I don't know what his deal has been since his rookie year. That OL looked like it would be an incredible unit a few seasons ago.

coordinator0
02-23-2012, 07:41 PM
It was when Gaither was dominating at LT and Oher was great as a rookie at RT. Grubbs and Yanda have been just as good but now every other position has been pretty uninspiring. I don't think the moving Oher to LG talk was anything more than forum speculation. It sounds like a great idea to me but the only thing I've read that came from the team/team sources is that they could consider moving Jah Reid to LG.

SenorGato
02-23-2012, 07:45 PM
Konz is going to be the real deal at Center, probably will end up as a top 25 prospect and could go to a team like New England, Baltimore, Tennessee or New York Giants late in the 1st.

Good height and weight for Martin, I still think his stock is on the decline though. #4 OT behind Kalil, Reiff and Adams.

I've been saying Konz makes sense for anyone picking after the Steelers (I think it's the Steelers...sometime in the mid-20's if not a little sooner).

Anyway, that was my first thought when I saw the 6'5" 315. Guy is a stud C prospect.

SenorGato
02-23-2012, 07:49 PM
Throw me on the "Bobby Massie for RT of MY team" bandwagon. Seems like a Kareem McKenzie-esque guy or maybe I just threw a good, long tenured RT's name out.

Caulibflower
02-23-2012, 07:57 PM
Sounds like Richardson won't do drills at the combine due to a knee surgery. First I've heard of it, but maybe that's old news. But that's kind of annoying.

gpngc
02-23-2012, 08:08 PM
Sounds like Richardson won't do drills at the combine due to a knee surgery. First I've heard of it, but maybe that's old news. But that's kind of annoying.

It's not even worth mentioning. He won't run at the combine. That's all.

Alabama RB Trent Richardson earned a passing medical grade at the Combine following a Feb. 3 knee scope.
Dr. James Andrews called the procedure "about as minor and routine as you can get." Richardson's agent said the top running back prospect would have been playing within 10-to-14 days had the scope been done during the season. Richardson had a small tear in the anterior horn of the lateral meniscus, but there was no damage to the cartilage. Although he won't participate in combine drills, Richardson will hold his Pro Day on March 27.
Source: ESPN.com
Feb 23 - 6:42 PM

JohnCandy
02-23-2012, 08:31 PM
What are people's opinions of Kelechi Osemele, the guy sure as hell looks the part?

keylime_5
02-23-2012, 08:34 PM
I think the Eagles will draft him because Andy Reid wants the biggest offensive linemen he can possibly find. I think he'll be a Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks quality dominant OG. Like those guys he played OT at Iowa State but will probably move inside in the NFL.

Docta
02-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Can you watch the drills online?
There will definitely be some NFL Network streams online. Doubt they'll be streaming it on NFL.com.

niel89
02-23-2012, 09:08 PM
There will definitely be some NFL Network streams online. Doubt they'll be streaming it on NFL.com.

I actually think that nfl.com is gonna have 2 cams live for the whole weekend. I updated the initial post with a link to the nfl.com page.

Go_Eagles77
02-23-2012, 09:14 PM
I think the Eagles will draft him because Andy Reid wants the biggest offensive linemen he can possibly find. I think he'll be a Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks quality dominant OG. Like those guys he played OT at Iowa State but will probably move inside in the NFL.

That hasn't really been the case since Howard Mudd took over. They drafted Jason Kelce, the smallest, most athletic OL in the draft last year in the 6th round and he's now the starting C.

Scott Wright
02-23-2012, 09:14 PM
The link to Scouting Combine coverage hub is live on the main page, but I haven't posted anything yet. A few of the o-line weigh-in results have begun to trickle out but the vast majority of the coverage will come Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday (February 25-28).

brat316
02-23-2012, 09:20 PM
That hasn't really been the case since Howard Mudd took over. They drafted Jason Kelce, the smallest, most athletic OL in the draft last year in the 6th round and he's now the starting C.

my only gripe with Mudd. Reid went from having the biggest line to the smallest line.

Vox Populi
02-23-2012, 10:35 PM
my only gripe with Mudd. Reid went from having the biggest line to the smallest line.

Thats just because Shawn Andrews was 400 pounds.

duesouth
02-24-2012, 02:40 AM
Riley Reiff 33.25" arms - a little shorter than ideal. Jonathan Martin 34" arms...

duesouth
02-24-2012, 02:48 AM
What are people's opinions of Kelechi Osemele, the guy sure as hell looks the part?

Flashed the ability to sit in his stance nicely and anchor at Iowa State. Of him and Cordy Glenn I thought Osemele was the one who could stay at tackle as a pro.

However, at the Senior Bowl Glenn played far better than Osemele, so my opinion was challenged. The arm length measurement for Osemele means physically he can be a RT.

The most concerning thing was Mayock saying about work ethic concerns - that needs to be checked out above anything else.

duesouth
02-24-2012, 02:51 AM
i'm becoming a big Massie fan. Not sure if the Giants can get him at 64 and he may be a reach at 32, but I'm a fan of his

I've done some work on Massie recently and have been super impressed. Seems to understand leverage. Generally gets under people - but the most impressive thing is that on the odd occasion he loses the advantage off the snap - he can re-anchor really well.

I don't think 32 is a reach for him as long as his drills are decent.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 06:33 AM
Miami won the coinflip!!! Dolphins officially own the 8th overall selection, Panthers 9th.

Kansas City won the other coinflip. They are 11, Seattle 12

Mr. Goosemahn
02-24-2012, 07:01 AM
Can a random person go watch the combine? I'm less than an hour away, so I might just go if I'm allowed in.

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 07:13 AM
Per Gil Brandt - Griffin is 6-2 3/8

georgiafan
02-24-2012, 07:15 AM
so is this coming on nfl network this year?

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 07:18 AM
so is this coming on nfl network this year?

It has been on NFL network since the network was created. All the drills will be televised beginning tomorrow.

Pat Sims 90
02-24-2012, 07:36 AM
It has been on NFL network since the network was created. All the drills will be televised beginning tomorrow.

Plus they do stream drills on NFL.Com

Pat Sims 90
02-24-2012, 07:38 AM
Can a random person go watch the combine? I'm less than an hour away, so I might just go if I'm allowed in.

No random people can't not just get in. NFL did do a contest this year where 250 people got to go on saturday but you had to write a essay on why you should be aloud to attend.

georgiafan
02-24-2012, 07:40 AM
ok good deal i figured it was but didnt see it on my dvr list

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 07:47 AM
Per Gil Brandt - Griffin is 6-2 3/8

That's a good size. Pretty much Aaron Rodgers' size.

I'm not sure it really affects his stock though. While it was probably the biggest question teams had (is he closer to 6'2 or 6'0?) his floor was and still is #4 with his ceiling being #2. Chances are, especially since the Rams have stated they are interested in moving down, that someone comes up to get him.

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 08:30 AM
That's a good size. Pretty much Aaron Rodgers' size.

I'm not sure it really affects his stock though. While it was probably the biggest question teams had (is he closer to 6'2 or 6'0?) his floor was and still is #4 with his ceiling being #2. Chances are, especially since the Rams have stated they are interested in moving down, that someone comes up to get him.

If he had come in at 5'11 I think that might've caused some serious questioning for sure. 6023 is a great height for RG3. If he could bulk a bit to handle NFL hits I think that would help him. He can sacrifice a little of his quickness if it means increased durability.

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 08:44 AM
Luck comes in at 6'4" even

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 08:47 AM
If he had come in at 5'11 I think that might've caused some serious questioning for sure. 6023 is a great height for RG3. If he could bulk a bit to handle NFL hits I think that would help him. He can sacrifice a little of his quickness if it means increased durability.

Yeah the question is will he be more like Michael Vick who makes a living being a real dual threat but at just over 210lbs is succeptible to injuries, or will he be more like Aaron Rodgers who is more of a passer with very good athleticism but also has an extra 10 or 15lbs on Vick to protect himself.

Ideally I think teams would prefer RG3 to be more like the latter, obviously with more mobility, simply because a running QB is no good if he can't take the hits.

Interested to see what he weighs in at. Anything above 220lbs is a very good sign, especially he, as he says, he will run 4.4 or better.

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 08:58 AM
Pretty sure Griffin weighed in at 223.

Kendall Wright - Ht:5102 Wt:188

K Train
02-24-2012, 09:12 AM
konz and adams both have incredible size

brat316
02-24-2012, 09:14 AM
Wright coming in at 5'10 on the dot and 188 much lighter than the listed 190. Much bigger than Desean was at the combine, 5'9 3/4, 169 lbs.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 09:25 AM
konz and adams both have incredible size

Adams is definitely one of those guys who will boost his stock at the combine with impressive triangle #s etc.

Consider the fact that this guy's stock was already heating up before the combine and I still think he could end up being the #2 OT off the board. It will be tough to pass Reiff but both of them are essentially jockeying for that #2 spot.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 09:30 AM
Anyone else find it odd that everyone has Brewster measured in at 6'2"? How did he shrink two inches since the Senior Bowl? haha

Matthew Jones
02-24-2012, 09:31 AM
I'm not sure why Mike Adams being exactly as big as everyone thought he was going to be would boost his stock. Confirming the information on file should have no impact on a player's draft grade.

TimmG6376
02-24-2012, 09:57 AM
Pretty sure Griffin weighed in at 223.

Kendall Wright - Ht:5102 Wt:188

Yes I saw that same number. That's on par with Rodgers listed weight as well as several other starting QBs.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 09:59 AM
I'm not sure why Mike Adams being exactly as big as everyone thought he was going to be would boost his stock. Confirming the information on file should have no impact on a player's draft grade.

Confirmation is still great when you have sexy #s :P

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 10:07 AM
Anyone else find it odd that everyone has Brewster measured in at 6'2"? How did he shrink two inches since the Senior Bowl? haha

I think one person got the wrong number and then everyone else copied off of that one person.......he was 6'4.5" in Mobile and consistently listed at 6'5" at Ohio State......and if you looks at picture of he and other players you know he's not 6'2".

vidae
02-24-2012, 10:09 AM
I'm really glad RG3 measured at 6'2. I was tired of people knocking him for "being 6'0 at best" the entire offseason.

WT01
02-24-2012, 10:14 AM
Glad to hear that Polk is down ~10 pounds or so from the Senior Bowl. Was concerned how he was considered "doughy" then.

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 10:16 AM
6'2 and change and 220ish lbs is such a good H/W for RG3. Almost makes me want the Colts to draft him. Almost.

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 10:24 AM
Brock Osweiler - 6-6 (7/8) and 242 pounds

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 10:27 AM
Brock Osweiler - 6-6 (7/8) and 242 pounds

One of the only people who may actually benefit coming in smaller than advertised

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 10:27 AM
Yea that should help his case...people will probably compare him more to Flacco than Dan McGwire

broncosfan
02-24-2012, 10:40 AM
Can a random person go watch the combine? I'm less than an hour away, so I might just go if I'm allowed in.

This year is the first year they'll allow fans in. But you had to be part of a contest and they would choose jus 250 people.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/23/lucky-fans-chosen-to-attend-combine/

Oops! Didn't see it posted already.

Robert Griffin 6-2 3/8, 223

Andrew Luck 6-4, 238

Luck's size is impressive: tall and thick, just an amazing prospect all around. What do you guys think he will run at the 40? 4.7, 4.6, 4.5? Griffin is expected to run a sub 4.5
but I haven't heard anything about Luck's expected 40.

BigBlueNorwegian
02-24-2012, 11:46 AM
Justin Blackmon 6-1, 207 and Michael Floyd 6-3, 220, via twitter.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2012, 11:50 AM
That's a great weigh in for Griffin. I don't really see any way he doesn't go in the Top 3, that answers alot for him.

Definitely lighter then I expected for Blackmon though. I was expecting about 10 more pounds.

Can't wait to hear the measurements for Jeffery.

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 11:52 AM
I thought Blackmon would be more like 215 but 207 isn't bad. He might just be lighter so he can run fast.

DeepThreat
02-24-2012, 12:00 PM
Alshon at 6'3", 216 pounds. Top-15 pick.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2012, 12:01 PM
Alshon at 6'3", 216 pounds. Top-15 pick.

Jesus, really? I've been a big Alshon supporter all along and even I thought he'd be pushing 225. 216 is insane if that's true.

BigBlueNorwegian
02-24-2012, 12:04 PM
Alshon at 6'3", 216 pounds. Top-15 pick.

That's a great weight for Jeffery. It will be VERY interesting to watch his 40-time now. can he push for a low 4.5?

SenorGato
02-24-2012, 12:16 PM
Alshon at 6'3", 216 pounds. Top-15 pick.

Good for him. I'd like for him to jump back into the first round talk, even though I thought that was more of a lull for him than anything else.

Was anyone REALLY worried about his work ethic?

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 12:17 PM
Good for him. I'd like for him to jump back into the first round talk, even though I thought that was more of a lull for him than anything else.

Was anyone REALLY worried about his work ethic?

I was worried about his fatness and am very surprised he is coming in at that weight. Good for him and for some team. Not sure about top 15 but if he runs a 4.5 that is quite possible.

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 12:18 PM
Good to see Jeffery at only 216. He was easily 230 or 235 during the season at least. His forty time and shuttle times will be telling. He doesn't have the quickness to get open out of his breaks, he must run below 4.6 unless he wants to drop.

gpngc
02-24-2012, 12:20 PM
Wow. That's nuts. If he runs well (agility tests too), you guys might be right. Shame on me for thinking he'd end up as a 3rd-4th rounder.

TimmG6376
02-24-2012, 12:27 PM
So as a Packer fan I'm more interested in the defensive guys. When can we expect to start seeing the DE, LB, DB weigh-in numbers leaking out?

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 12:30 PM
when they check in tomorrow. Yesterday was OL/TE/ST.....today is QB/RB/WR......tomorrow is DL/LB........sunday is DB

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 12:32 PM
Great to see Jeffrey down to that weight. I had kinda hoped he would measure in a bit taller though. 6'3 is great but I thought he would be on the better side of 6'4.

It will be interesting to see how he runs, mainly in the agility drills. I never saw a guy who could explode out of his breaks and he seems a lazy route runner. If being down to this weight helps his explosion then he starts to climb again. Although he will definitely have to answer as to why he wasn't at this weight during the season.

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 12:41 PM
Great to see Jeffrey down to that weight. I had kinda hoped he would measure in a bit taller though. 6'3 is great but I thought he would be on the better side of 6'4.

It will be interesting to see how he runs, mainly in the agility drills. I never saw a guy who could explode out of his breaks and he seems a lazy route runner. If being down to this weight helps his explosion then he starts to climb again. Although he will definitely have to answer as to why he wasn't at this weight during the season.

Maybe frustrated with the SC QB situation?

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 12:46 PM
QB HT/WT
Andrew Luck 6037/234
Robert Griffin III 6023/223
Brandon Weeden 6036/221
Ryan Tannehill 6041/221
Kirk Cousins 6025/214
Nick Foles 6045/243
BJ Coleman 6031/233
Russell Wilson 5107/204
Brock Osweiler 6067/242
Ryan Lindley 6036/229
Austin Davis 6014/219
Aaron Corp 6035/215
Chandler Harnish 6014/219
Kellen Moore 5116/197
Case Keenum 6006/208
Darron Thomas 6026/220
Jacory Harris 6031/203
Jordan Jefferson 6034/223
Patrick Witt 6034/225

A Perfect Score
02-24-2012, 12:47 PM
Maybe frustrated with the SC QB situation?

Who wouldn't be...It was godawful at times this year. But that doesn't excuse some of the weight concerns, and those are questions he will have to answer come interview time.

JohnCandy
02-24-2012, 12:51 PM
Alshon Jeffery [6'3" 216lbs] WOW

May have saved himself and hopefully he runs fast and gets back into the 1st round.

Mohamed Sanu [6'2" 211lbs.]

Droped weight I am guessing to get faster, but hopefully he still has the strength that we need.

Kendall Wright [5'10" 196lbs.]

Wright needed to be this size and not DeSean Jackson size. Wright may have made himself some money by being Steve Smith size.

Rueben Randle [6'3" 210lbs.]

Very solid size and hand size and it will only be added to if he is able to run fast and catch the ball in drills.

Justin Blackmon [6'1" 207lbs.]

Lighter than I thought and probably a speed grab.

Michael Floyd [6'3" 220lbs.]

Another guy who dropped some weight from his college days and I think this will only help a guy with some speed problems.

Stephen Hill [6'4" 215lbs.]

This guy looks like a specimen and if he runs the 40 as fast as he did and can look better in the drills watch out because this guys is going to climb.

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 12:58 PM
Who wouldn't be...It was godawful at times this year. But that doesn't excuse some of the weight concerns, and those are questions he will have to answer come interview time.

I agree. Not a good reason to let yourself go and basically mail it in. In a situation like that you have to make yourself blameless and make it clear it was a QB problem. To some extent his production going down was out of his control but that doesn't mean he gets a free pass to be fat and lazy all season.

That said as long as he doesn't completely **** up the rest of the pre-draft activities I think he'll be a 1st rounder for sure, maybe a top 16 pick like people here are saying.

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 01:21 PM
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Good scoop RT @ShawnZobel_DHQ: Ohio State OT Mike Adams put up just 19 reps on bench


That isn't to impressive.

Shane P. Hallam
02-24-2012, 01:24 PM
Nope, Solder put up 21 last year

Matthew Jones
02-24-2012, 01:26 PM
Long arms never lead to a strong performance on the bench.

scottyboy
02-24-2012, 01:29 PM
mmm so Sanu is a chiseled beast.

and I'm eagerly awaiting the Massie reps, as I'm now absolutely on his bandwagon

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02-24-2012, 01:30 PM
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Good scoop RT @ShawnZobel_DHQ: Ohio State OT Mike Adams put up just 19 reps on bench


That isn't to impressive.

Where are you getting this from? I thought OL drills don't start until tomorrow...

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 01:32 PM
Where are you getting this from? OL drills don't start until tomorrow...

In past years groups have done bench the day before the other tests and drills.

SRogers92
02-24-2012, 01:32 PM
Long arms never lead to a strong performance on the bench.


That's still pathetic ....

brat316
02-24-2012, 01:35 PM
Jeffery at 216 is some Aronn Maybin shiit right there. Runs fast now, and then goes back to 230, and runs slow during the game.

Except for Maybin, came in light ran fast, and than put on weight to seem bulky.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 01:37 PM
In past years groups have done bench the day before the other tests and drills.

I was under a different impression. My b.

Glenn with 31 I see.

Kind of surprised to see that Adams only put up 19. This hurts his stock.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 01:40 PM
Ben Jones: 29
Phillip Blake: 22
David DeCastro:34
Brewster: 29

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 01:40 PM
Guys with long arms usually disappoint at the bench press. Like someone said, Nate Solder only put up 21 last year and his stock wasn't affected.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 01:41 PM
DeCastro - 34
Cordy Glenn - 31
Ben Jones - 29
Philip Blake - 22
Jeff Allen - 26
Tony Bergstrom - 32
Mike Brewster - 29

PoopSandwich
02-24-2012, 01:41 PM
Wright coming in at 5'10 on the dot and 188 much lighter than the listed 190. Much bigger than Desean was at the combine, 5'9 3/4, 169 lbs.

188 is much lighter than 190?

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 01:41 PM
Guys with long arms usually disappoint at the bench press. Like someone said, Nate Solder only put up 21 last year and his stock wasn't affected.

Solder is also a lot more of a finesse player than Adams. Bench press doesn't kill a guys stock but it's not ideal for a guy who had a bit of momentum coming into this week

Babylon
02-24-2012, 01:41 PM
Jeffery at 216 is some Aronn Maybin shiit right there. Runs fast now, and then goes back to 230, and runs slow during the game.

Except for Maybin, came in light ran fast, and than put on weight to seem bulky.

Trust me when i say you can be 215 lbs and be out of shape.

Russell Wilson numbers just threw him into that Seneca Wallace category.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 01:42 PM
188 is much lighter than 190?

hahaha, shoulda eaten a cheeseburger before weigh-in...

Babylon
02-24-2012, 01:43 PM
DeCastro - 34
Cordy Glenn - 31
Ben Jones - 29
Philip Blake - 22
Jeff Allen - 26
Tony Bergstrom - 32
Mike Brewster - 29

How high can David DeCastro go? there is zero about this guy not to like.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 01:45 PM
Solder is also a lot more of a finesse player than Adams. Bench press doesn't kill a guys stock but it's not ideal for a guy who had a bit of momentum coming into this week

Yea I was really hoping that he would put up some nice #s to keep improving his stock

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 01:46 PM
Solder is also a lot more of a finesse player than Adams. Bench press doesn't kill a guys stock but it's not ideal for a guy who had a bit of momentum coming into this week

Functional strength is not a problem for Adams though. Watch him push guys around as a run blocker on his tape is enough to prove that the bench press flop isn't a big issue at all. He's not like Solder or Ferguson who had bad bench press showings but were always considered a less than stellar guy when it comes to core strength. 19 reps would hurt Martin more than Adams.

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 01:50 PM
Functional strength is not a problem for Adams though. Watch him push guys around as a run blocker on his tape is enough to prove that the bench press flop isn't a big issue at all. He's not like Solder or Ferguson who had bad bench press showings but were always considered a less than stellar guy when it comes to core strength. 19 reps would hurt Martin more than Adams.

Yeah as Warren Sapp said, they don't put a bench press in the middle of the field. It maybe shows he hasn't as commited in the weight room as he should be but I wouldn't be concerned about this for Adams. Guys who throw up big numbers on the bench are guys who have been weight room junkies since high school.

The tape doesn't lie and he doesn't look as though he will struggle with power

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 01:55 PM
LOL Martin will not lift due to food poisoning

scottyboy
02-24-2012, 02:02 PM
holy crap Decastro. as someone said before, there's literally nothing not to like about this guy. wow

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 02:05 PM
holy crap Decastro. as someone said before, there's literally nothing not to like about this guy. wow

His name sounds like Castro. That's something...right???

Crazy_Chris
02-24-2012, 02:07 PM
Kalil just did 30

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 02:07 PM
Kalil puts up 30.

Konz puts up a mere 18 reps

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 02:09 PM
Bobby Massie: 22
Matt McCants: 17

RaiderNation
02-24-2012, 02:14 PM
DeCastro won't get by KC at 11, this kid will be a stud for many years in the league in a Hutchinson type way. Can be a star at LG or RG and is a smart kid as well.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 02:20 PM
DeCastro won't get by KC at 11, this kid will be a stud for many years in the league in a Hutchinson type way. Can be a star at LG or RG and is a smart kid as well.

Not to mention versatility. I think he could even play C if his team needed him to, definitely has the feet to pivot.

Osemele: 32
Reiff: 23
Sanders: 28
MOLK WITH 41 WOW!!!

M.O.T.H.
02-24-2012, 02:20 PM
Yes I saw that same number. That's on par with Rodgers listed weight as well as several other starting QBs.

He's the same size as Romo.

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 02:23 PM
Not to mention versatility. I think he could even play C if his team needed him to, definitely has the feet to pivot.

Osemele: 32
Reiff: 23
Sanders: 28
MOLK WITH 41 WOW!!!

I knew Molk would be high. I heard rumblings he was hoping to break the record

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 02:23 PM
Molk!!! 41 reps is awesome and he came in at a solid 298. He's moved past Brewster in my rankings up to 4th at C

CDCB14
02-24-2012, 02:24 PM
Long arms never lead to a strong performance on the bench.

Tyron Smith's arms are 2 inches longer and he put up 31 reps, and he was 15 pounds lighter than Adams. 19 reps for a 323 pound man who is going to the NFL is pathetic.

broncosfan
02-24-2012, 02:24 PM
Jeffery at 216 is some Aronn Maybin shiit right there. Runs fast now, and then goes back to 230, and runs slow during the game.

Except for Maybin, came in light ran fast, and than put on weight to seem bulky.

No, actually Maybin was very skinny and he put on weight BEFORE he ran (adding 25 pound of muscle). Then the season came in an he lost all of the gained weight.

http://blog.pennlive.com/pasports/2009/03/aaron_maybins_physical_transfo.html

CDCB14
02-24-2012, 02:25 PM
Molk!!! 41 reps is awesome and he came in at a solid 298. He's moved past Brewster in my rankings up to 4th at C

Based on his weight at the combine and a solid bench press?.... Glad your not my team's GM.

Complex
02-24-2012, 02:26 PM
Jeffery at 216 is some Aronn Maybin shiit right there. Runs fast now, and then goes back to 230, and runs slow during the game.

Except for Maybin, came in light ran fast, and than put on weight to seem bulky.

What are you talking about? Maybin ran a 4.7 or 4.8 at the combine.


Edit: 4.78 just checked

gpngc
02-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Based on his weight at the combine and a solid bench press?.... Glad your not my team's GM.

lol.

4 years of game film <<<<<<<<< BENCH PRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 02:28 PM
So Molk is better than Brew b/c he can put up 41 reps? That's a little knee jerk doncha think? Brewster is the most football savy center in the draft and he can pull like a guard and get to the second level better than Molk or Jones and has been a starter for 4 years during which he's improved as a blocker steadily each year.

Regarding Konz's 18 reps, that's a little bit expected that he doesn't put up good numbers on the bench. He's a long fellow as well, but he has never been about overpowering strength at the center. He's technically sound with good feet and hands and excellent size, but he's not a freak like the Pouncey twins who are really built like guards that can play center.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 02:29 PM
Based on his weight at the combine and a solid bench press?.... Glad your not my team's GM.

I had him there a couple weeks ago actually, and took some flak for it. Just saying that things like that help justify the decision. Molk was undoubtedly the better college player, knock on him is his size. Coming in at 298 is still small but its bigger than many expected and only five pounds lighter than Jones who is the consensus number 2 guy.

broncosfan
02-24-2012, 02:31 PM
DeCastro - 34
Cordy Glenn - 31
Ben Jones - 29
Philip Blake - 22
Jeff Allen - 26
Tony Bergstrom - 32
Mike Brewster - 29

34 reps for Cordy Glenn is amazing given the fact his arms are 35 3/4 (2nd best for o-linemen)

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 02:32 PM
Yeah, Glenn is just a huge human being though. He's not long and lean by any means, he's very much a wide body. I think Bruce Campbell put up some kinda crazy bench press numbers with the longest arms in the building.

SRogers92
02-24-2012, 02:33 PM
So Molk is better than Brew b/c he can put up 41 reps? That's a little knee jerk doncha think? Brewster is the most football savy center in the draft and he can pull like a guard and get to the second level better than Molk or Jones and has been a starter for 4 years during which he's improved as a blocker steadily each year.

Regarding Konz's 18 reps, that's a little bit expected that he doesn't put up good numbers on the bench. He's a long fellow as well, but he has never been about overpowering strength at the center. He's technically sound with good feet and hands and excellent size, but he's not a freak like the Pouncey twins who are really built like guards that can play center.


? Seriously?

Molk was a beast for Michigan. Molk was All-Conference(x2), over Brewster, won the Big 10 Offensive Lineman of the Year, won the Rimington award and was an All-American.

Molk was also known as one of the quicker/more athletic OC in the entire draft, but people had concerns over his size. His size/reps should put that to rest now and there's no reason he shouldn't go over Brewster.

SRogers92
02-24-2012, 02:33 PM
Mike Martin is the one that should compete to break the record, not Molk, by the way.

killxswitch
02-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Konz' bench is pretty disappointing.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 02:35 PM
Silatolu - 28
Zeitler - 32
Brandon Washington - 28

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 02:38 PM
Trent Richardson 5092 228
LaMichael James 5080 194
Lamar Miller 5106 212

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 02:39 PM
Greg Eslinger was 1st team all-american, rimington, and 1st team all-big ten in 2005 over Nick Mangold. I really could care less about awards. Brewster and Jones' games translate better to the NFL. Both of those guys are solid 2nd round picks. I expect Molk to go in that 3rd/4th round range. Brewster could probably play guard at the next level with his size and mobility at 6'4"/310.

Babylon
02-24-2012, 02:40 PM
Not to mention versatility. I think he could even play C if his team needed him to, definitely has the feet to pivot.

Osemele: 32
Reiff: 23
Sanders: 28
MOLK WITH 41 WOW!!!

Reiff at 23 is not great. Reminds me a little of Ebben Brittain who benched 24. Might be one to watch drop on draft day.

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 02:41 PM
...there's not too many 6'1" centers either.

SolidGold
02-24-2012, 02:42 PM
Reiff at 23 is not great. Reminds me a little of Ebben Brittain who benched 24. Might be one to watch drop on draft day.

A little disappointed with Reiff's 23 but his is still the second best tackle in this draft. I can't see Adams or Martin going before him.

Jakey
02-24-2012, 02:44 PM
Cordy Glenn is my fave prospect for the Steelers...he continues to impress me.

Clarkw267
02-24-2012, 02:58 PM
I've watched Molk for a few years now, and he was always underrated in terms of his NFL potential because of concerns over size and strength.

I wouldn't take him until the late 2nd-3rd round, but I like him more than Brewster from what I've seen on the field. Brewster is one of the more over-hyped OL around.

SRogers92
02-24-2012, 03:15 PM
...there's not too many 6'1" centers either.

Grasping for straws now.

He's plenty big. You don't want 6'4 Centers as it's harder for certain QBs to see over them, anyway. Molk was more athletic than Eslinger or Brewster for that matter and showed today that's he is plenty big and strong.

He was dominant in college, he's not some college star who doesn't translate at all to the pros. But, you're a Buckeye slappy, so I expect you to love on Brewster. Stand by while Molk's stock skyrockets over the next month ;)

Complex
02-24-2012, 03:17 PM
The top TE's besides Fleener are weak.

ATLDirtyBirds
02-24-2012, 03:22 PM
RE Alshon:


Nice to see him at a trimmed down weight. However, it's not overly difficult to go on a massive cut for a couple months when a few million are on the line. The time still matters more to me, because he looked 4.6+ on tape.

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 03:27 PM
Grasping for straws now.

He's plenty big. You don't want 6'4 Centers as it's harder for certain QBs to see over them, anyway. Molk was more athletic than Eslinger or Brewster for that matter and showed today that's he is plenty big and strong.

He was dominant in college, he's not some college star who doesn't translate at all to the pros. But, you're a Buckeye slappy, so I expect you to love on Brewster. Stand by while Molk's stock skyrockets over the next month ;)

i don't care how they are gonna do in the pros, i'm talking about where they will get drafted. Molk will drop b/c of his size. Brewster was a pretty darn good center in his own right and has that rare ability to pull and get to the second level along with great size and intelligence to boot. He's a solid 2nd round pick. Molk would be an upset if he went higher than round 3 or 4 after Brewster and Ben Jones.

Saying a 6'1" center won't go in the 2nd round is hardly grasping for straws. Name all of the starting offensive linemen in the NFL today who are only 6'1"? There are very very few.

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 03:34 PM
For the record, I have Molk ahead of Brewster overall but I've got a 4th round grade on both of them. I'd be shocked if either went day two.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 03:42 PM
? Seriously?

Molk was a beast for Michigan. Molk was All-Conference(x2), over Brewster, won the Big 10 Offensive Lineman of the Year, won the Rimington award and was an All-American.

Molk was also known as one of the quicker/more athletic OC in the entire draft, but people had concerns over his size. His size/reps should put that to rest now and there's no reason he shouldn't go over Brewster.

It's not like Brewster wasn't a great center in college in his own right.

Some of the same concerns were raised about Brewser (size/strength) and while he didn't put up 40 reps, he did put up a good showing on the bench and this may also alleviate some concerns about him.

End of the day I would say that it is about a wash.

Iamcanadian
02-24-2012, 03:47 PM
i don't care how they are gonna do in the pros, i'm talking about where they will get drafted. Molk will drop b/c of his size. Brewster was a pretty darn good center in his own right and has that rare ability to pull and get to the second level along with great size and intelligence to boot. He's a solid 2nd round pick. Molk would be an upset if he went higher than round 3 or 4 after Brewster and Ben Jones.

Saying a 6'1" center won't go in the 2nd round is hardly grasping for straws. Name all of the starting offensive linemen in the NFL today who are only 6'1"? There are very very few.

For once I have to disagree with you. Brewster looked terrible anchoring in pass blocking situations at the Senior Bowl practices.. He was completely manhandled by pass rushers and while he will get drafted, it won't be in round 2. Round 4/5 is his likely destination.
As for Molk, bench presses doesn't make you a player but he could go before Brewster somewhere around round 3/4.

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 03:52 PM
he wasn't manhandled. he does need to add strength so he can stand up to the bull rush against bigger, stronger DTs like most centers do once they get in the pros - but in pass rush drills Brewster did well, winning the majority of the matchups. I think people get confused watching pass rush drills seeing a guy get driven back by the bulls rush but not disengaging. He has always been a round 2/round 3 type range player. Guys who profile as players who can step in from day one and start at center for a decade don't last much longer than that. Brewster might not be as good as Mangold was, and gets tagged as "overrated" b/c that's who he is compared to, but scouts think of him better than the average fan I can tell. I would be shocked if Molk went before either him or Jones. I don't think there is a single offensive lineman in the NFL who is 6'1" today.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 03:54 PM
On the other hand, Molk probably does have a legit chance of moving past Blake at this point.

Iamcanadian
02-24-2012, 04:07 PM
he wasn't manhandled. he does need to add strength so he can stand up to the bull rush against bigger, stronger DTs like most centers do once they get in the pros - but in pass rush drills Brewster did well, winning the majority of the matchups. I think people get confused watching pass rush drills seeing a guy get driven back by the bulls rush but not disengaging. He has always been a round 2/round 3 type range player. Guys who profile as players who can step in from day one and start at center for a decade don't last much longer than that. Brewster might not be as good as Mangold was, and gets tagged as "overrated" b/c that's who he is compared to, but scouts think of him better than the average fan I can tell. I would be shocked if Molk went before either him or Jones. I don't think there is a single offensive lineman in the NFL who is 6'1" today.

Well, I'm looking at Gil Brandt's top 100 which is usually a steal from the Cowboy's early draft board and Brewster is nowhere in sight and no mention on Mayock's interior linemen, so I think it is a stretch to suggest he will go in round 2 and be a starter for 10 years in the NFL lacking in lower body strength. I'm not high on Molk or Jones either. I think all 3 are mid round picks who will have to fight hard to make a pro roster.

scottyboy
02-24-2012, 04:09 PM
all this talk of centers makes me remember Kris O'dowd. and Matt tennant.
O'dowd was profiled as some as a 3-4 rounder. even 2nd by some. went undrafted. I think Tennant ended up on the saints just kinda hanging around too. it seems like it's a very odd position come draft day IMO

and yes, I do remember O'Dowd's injury and strength concerns

Iamcanadian
02-24-2012, 04:09 PM
On the other hand, Molk probably does have a legit chance of moving past Blake at this point.

I don't think so, Blake is the #2 OC in this draft. The pros already knew Molk would press a high # so it will hardly impact his ranking.

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 04:11 PM
Well, I'm looking at Gil Brandt's top 100 which is usually a steal from the Cowboy's early draft board and Brewster is nowhere in sight and no mention on Mayock's interior linemen, so I think it is a stretch to suggest he will go in round 2 and be a starter for 10 years in the NFL lacking in lower body strength. I'm not high on Molk or Jones either. I think all 3 are mid round picks who will have to fight hard to make a pro roster.

I could see him going in round 3 or 4, I've heard mixed reviews on his draft stock. Centers typically rise on draft day and go higher than their projections though, which I am taking into account. I think he and Ben Jones as well as the kid from Baylor will all go earlier than the mock drafts and rankings say. Molk is more likely to fall to the last couple rounds than he is to rise into that 2nd/3rd round range though. I think 3rd/4th is tops for him like I said and he'll go after Brewster and Jones.

Iamcanadian
02-24-2012, 04:12 PM
all this talk of centers makes me remember Kris O'dowd. and Matt tennant.
O'dowd was profiled as some as a 3-4 rounder. even 2nd by some. went undrafted. I think Tennant ended up on the saints just kinda hanging around too. it seems like it's a very odd position come draft day IMO

and yes, I do remember O'Dowd's injury and strength concerns

O'Dowd and Brewster both showed at the Senior Bowl practices that they lacked the functional strength to anchor a bull rush and it cost O'Dowd in the draft and it will cost Brewster as well.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 04:16 PM
I don't think so, Blake is the #2 OC in this draft. The pros already knew Molk would press a high # so it will hardly impact his ranking.

I am skeptical that anyone has Blake ranked as their clear #2 OC.

The interior OL has been talked about as a strength of this draft class but I feel that (at least in regards to center) it could go either way.

Konz is the clear #1 but he has never played a full season during his career at Wisc.

Brewster and Molk were the dominant guys in the conference but concerns over size have them moving down draft boards.

Blake is kind of a WC and may rank anywhere from #2 (as you claim) all the way to #4-5

Jones seems to be solidly in the middle of the pack.

You might end up with 2-3 solid NFL starters out of this group but it could also go completely the other way with no one really panning out.

dannyz
02-24-2012, 04:20 PM
How much does being 5'9" hurt Trent Richardson if at all? I actually think it helps him because I remember he was always seemed like a Bigger/Faster MJD or Ray Rice and now that he is almost their size I think it will help him for the long run in the NFL but for the Draft I see him sliding a little I want the Bengals to get him to pair with Dalton and Green.

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 04:25 PM
Size is the least of Brewster's concerns. At 6'4.5"/312 he is plenty big. Not the strongest, needs to add lower body strength and get better at the shotgun snap, as 'canadian pointed out.

O'Dowd was different than Brewster or Molk or any of these guys. He started as a freshman at USC and everyone thought he was destined for greatness. He had an injury-plagued career after that though and was pretty bad. I remember in 2009 Dexter Larimore completely dominated O'Dowd and several others did as well. After his senior year he wasn't expected to be anything but a late round pick.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 04:25 PM
I don't think 5'9" hurts him to much with his weight being what it is. He certainly has the body to stand up to the beating an NFL RB takes.

scottyboy
02-24-2012, 04:32 PM
28 reps for Desmond Wynn. Who knows, maybe he'll actually get drafted and won't be mediocre like he was here.

Clarkw267
02-24-2012, 04:33 PM
How much does being 5'9" hurt Trent Richardson if at all? I actually think it helps him because I remember he was always seemed like a Bigger/Faster MJD or Ray Rice and now that he is almost their size I think it will help him for the long run in the NFL but for the Draft I see him sliding a little I want the Bengals to get him to pair with Dalton and Green.


It doesn't hurt him AT ALL. And no, he won't slide, sorry to crush your dreams.

PackerFan20
02-24-2012, 04:35 PM
Does anyone have an update on Markus Zusevics? I heard he got injured during one of the drills and is in surgery right now, but I can't find any details anywhere. He would have been a great mid-round pick for any team, and probably would have been in the 1st/2nd day conversation were it not for Reiff being the LT.

Giantsfan1080
02-24-2012, 04:36 PM
28 reps for Desmond Wynn. Who knows, maybe he'll actually get drafted and won't be mediocre like he was here.

He'll absolutely be drafted. Francis is the 3rd guy who has a shot but he's probably a UDFA.

akvikefan89
02-24-2012, 04:36 PM
How much does being 5'9" hurt Trent Richardson if at all? I actually think it helps him because I remember he was always seemed like a Bigger/Faster MJD or Ray Rice and now that he is almost their size I think it will help him for the long run in the NFL but for the Draft I see him sliding a little I want the Bengals to get him to pair with Dalton and Green.

A RB being 5'9" is no problem at all.

JHL6719
02-24-2012, 04:37 PM
Trent Richardson can bench Cordy Glenn 31 times.

dannyz
02-24-2012, 04:49 PM
A RB being 5'9" is no problem at all.

I know that, just being measured a little shorter than you were listed could hurt but I really don't think it will. I just think he is like Ray Rice/MJD but Faster and when you look at the NFL last year they were maybe the best two RB's, just like bowling balls that are a little smaller but just as powerful as the Taller RB's.

Punisher
02-24-2012, 04:52 PM
all this talk of centers makes me remember Kris O'dowd. and Matt tennant.
O'dowd was profiled as some as a 3-4 rounder. even 2nd by some. went undrafted. I think Tennant ended up on the saints just kinda hanging around too. it seems like it's a very odd position come draft day IMO

and yes, I do remember O'Dowd's injury and strength concerns

O'Dowd was such a beast his freshman year too at SC. He man handled Suh when the Trojans played Nebraska that year.

PossibleCabbage
02-24-2012, 04:56 PM
Konz' bench is pretty disappointing.

I'm not that disappointed, honestly, as someone who's high on Konz. The thing that always spoke to him was his mastery of the mental aspects of the game, his technique, and his ability to pass block. He was never going to be a tremendous earth mover by himself in the run game.

Pure brute strength was obviously a hole in his game, but since NFL offenses aren't predicated on running inside these days, it's not that big a deal.

scottyboy
02-24-2012, 04:57 PM
He'll absolutely be drafted. Francis is the 3rd guy who has a shot but he's probably a UDFA.

Idk, I just wasn't a big Wynn fan honestly. He always left me wanting more. I'm actually a HUGE Francis fan. I REALLY hope he gets drafted. Love his game and think he can put up nice enough combine numbers to get a legit shot

Caulibflower
02-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Trent Richardson 5092 228


= Jonathan Stewart.

Giantsfan1080
02-24-2012, 05:41 PM
Idk, I just wasn't a big Wynn fan honestly. He always left me wanting more. I'm actually a HUGE Francis fan. I REALLY hope he gets drafted. Love his game and think he can put up nice enough combine numbers to get a legit shot

Not shocking but I feel the exact same way you do about both players.

JHL6719
02-24-2012, 05:54 PM
Wright coming in at 5'10 on the dot and 188 much lighter than the listed 190. Much bigger than Desean was at the combine, 5'9 3/4, 169 lbs.



Walterfootball has Kendall Wright coming in at 196 rather than 188.

4U2NV
02-24-2012, 06:23 PM
Is anybody concerned about Blackmon measuring so small? I know he probably cut weight to run faster and can bulk up before the season but being listed under 6'1" worries me somewhat. Does he have the size and bulk to beat press coverage?

RaiderNation
02-24-2012, 06:40 PM
Is anybody concerned about Blackmon measuring so small? I know he probably cut weight to run faster and can bulk up before the season but being listed under 6'1" worries me somewhat. Does he have the size and bulk to beat press coverage?

Usually top 5 WR's are 6'4+ like Calvin Johnson, AJ Green and many others. I think either Blackmon or Richardson will go top 5 to Rams/Vikings/Bucs but the other will fall into the 6-12 range. Blackmon will likely run a 4.5 with the 10-15lbs off his playing weight, but idk if that will be enough for him to get drafted him. Richardson has a knee injury that could scare a few teams away, and if I had to bet I'd say odds are Blackmon will before Richardson.

Unbiased
02-24-2012, 06:44 PM
Is anybody concerned about Blackmon measuring so small? I know he probably cut weight to run faster and can bulk up before the season but being listed under 6'1" worries me somewhat. Does he have the size and bulk to beat press coverage?

He's an eighth of an inch under his listed height, so he's basically 6'1" just as he was listed in college. If it wasn't a problem before today, it's not a problem now.

TACKLE
02-24-2012, 06:54 PM
Are there any team sites in particular that have really good combine coverage/a lot of the interviews?

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 06:57 PM
There's no way around it - Blackmon isn't the type of WR you take with a top 5 pick at all..........but there really isn't much elite talent in this draft comparable to AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, etc. There's Luck and Griffin and Kalil and then a few guys who would go top 10 or top 15 most years that will go top 5 this year.

I think Blackmon is a top 6 lock, but he's more like a Michael Crabtree or Anquan Boldin type. 6'1"/207 doesn't bother me. That is considered good size for a WR. He's a very lean and sculpted 207 to boot. He was listed at 215 at Okie State, he probably lost some extra weight to run better in drills. The concern is more speed and the ability to beat corners deep and make big plays downfield, not size.

I think a lot of people like Michael Floyd as the best WR in this draft, but he'll be the 2nd or 3rd one drafted b/c of character concerns and injuries. Blackmon is a hell of a lot safer and comparable in talent and so productive and clean. Wright would be the clearcut #1 WR if he were 6'2" instead of 5'10"....but some teams still might have him #1 on their boards as a Steve Smith or Santonio Holmes type.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 07:01 PM
Usually top 5 WR's are 6'4+ like Calvin Johnson, AJ Green and many others. I think either Blackmon or Richardson will go top 5 to Rams/Vikings/Bucs but the other will fall into the 6-12 range. Blackmon will likely run a 4.5 with the 10-15lbs off his playing weight, but idk if that will be enough for him to get drafted him. Richardson has a knee injury that could scare a few teams away, and if I had to bet I'd say odds are Blackmon will before Richardson.

He will not be running at the combine.

I'm not concerned about his height. We knew what he was coming into the combine, and nothing has changed.

Would have been nice to see him run though.

JHL6719
02-24-2012, 07:04 PM
He will not be running at the combine.


Really, why not?

keylime_5
02-24-2012, 07:06 PM
because he knows that if the only time that scouts have is the one at Oklahoma State (which Kendall Hunter ran a whole 10th of a second faster on than at the combine) then it will help his stock more than if they had a slower time of him running on that slow LucasOil turf as well.

Sloopy
02-24-2012, 07:10 PM
Really, why not?

Something about fighting a hamstring injury

scottyboy
02-24-2012, 07:17 PM
Not shocking but I feel the exact same way you do about both players.

we are so damn awesome

Complex
02-24-2012, 07:19 PM
Sept. 12, 2009, Florida RB Chris Rainey running with the ball against Troy. Rainey spent the night in the Alachua County Jail and is scheduled for an initial appearance Sept. 14, 2010. According to Gainesville Police, Rainey sent a woman he dated on and off the last three years a text message that read, "Time to die," after leaving her home Monday night.

The media questions and player responses are pretty much the same for each interview. Well, not with Chris Rainey. The guy exudes swag, which certainly is not a knock, but I'll let Chris do the talking.

Kevin: You got to work with the Shanahans Senior Bowl week. What did you learn about the NFL coming out of Senior Bowl week that you didn't know going in?

Nothing. I knew everything. I came from a great system, a great program in Florida. They prepare you for the real life. NFL. Everything. So, ain't nothing different.
OK, so wouldn't he have been coached up to respond with something like, "Just working extra hard...staying focused...blah blah"? I dig deeper...
How was your relationship with (Redskins RB Coach) Bobby T over Senior Bowl week and what feedback did he give you?


Umm....(8 second pause). Great coach. Umm. Laid back. All he said was 'Do your thang.' That's all.
That's some fine coaching right there. Rainey's stats are very impressive over his 5-year career, but he's been arrested, so he carries that baggage. Check out the picture caption for more details on that.
What's your faster 40?

4.23 at Florida. And that was on grass. And this is turf here so I know I'll run faster than that.
Stay tuned for this 40.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/24/2822476/chris-rainey-on-what-he-learned-senior-bowl-week-nothing

FUNBUNCHER
02-24-2012, 07:20 PM
If Tommie Streeter didn't have off the field issues, after he runs a sub 4.45 at the combine I think he would have had a chance to go top 20.

I still think if he blows up the combine he's going to be reached on in the first round.

Complex
02-24-2012, 07:22 PM
If Tommie Streeter didn't have off the field issues, after he runs a sub 4.45 at the combine I think he would have had a chance to go top 20.

I still think if he blows up the combine he's going to be reached on in the first round.

What are his off the field issues? didn't know he had any.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2012, 07:51 PM
If Tommie Streeter didn't have off the field issues, after he runs a sub 4.45 at the combine I think he would have had a chance to go top 20.

I still think if he blows up the combine he's going to be reached on in the first round.

So now Tommie Streeter and Juron Criner are going in the first round?

ATLDirtyBirds
02-24-2012, 07:54 PM
Tommy Streeter is Malcolm Floyd.

FUNBUNCHER
02-24-2012, 08:11 PM
Tommy Streeter is Malcolm Floyd.

If Malcolm Floyd had elite speed.
And if Criner runs a jaw dropping 40 similar to what Julio Jones did last year and otherwise has an outstanding combine, I could see a team like the Bears going after him in the first.

I think the rank for the top 5 WRs in this draft is still fluid. Some are going to rise based on their 40, other are going to fall.

Nalej
02-24-2012, 08:11 PM
So now Tommie Streeter and Juron Criner are going in the first round?

Shhhhh... quit talking about my sleepers I'd like the Pats to target

Grizzlegom
02-24-2012, 08:16 PM
What are his off the field issues? didn't know he had any.

Yea, I didn't know of any either. He's a body catcher and he has little to no experience running the route tree. One year wonder. I mean he's got the physical tools and there's definitely something to like about his size/speed combo but with how deep this WR class is with more proven guys, I don't see why anyone would gamble on him as high as the first round. I could see him slip into day two on potential though.

FUNBUNCHER
02-24-2012, 08:42 PM
I thought Streeter had an arrest in HS or at Miami, but I can't find any reference to in on the interwebz, so I'll assume it was my mistake.

Scott Wright
02-24-2012, 08:52 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that I am posting the results as I get them at http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Results.php. I believe the weights, arm lengths and hand sizes are up for the QB's, RB's, FB's, WR's, TE's, OT's, OG's and C's, plus the bench reps for OL and TE. I should have the heights up by tomorrow afternoon.

A Perfect Score
02-24-2012, 08:59 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that I am posting the results as I get them at http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Results.php. I believe the weights, arm lengths and hand sizes are up for the QB's, RB's, FB's, WR's, TE's, OT's, OG's and C's, plus the bench reps for OL and TE. I should have the heights up by tomorrow afternoon.

Can we expect any insight into the way some of the players looked Scott? I'm curious as to how some players looked at their weights, namely guys like Alshon Jeffery.

Scott Wright
02-24-2012, 09:19 PM
Can we expect any insight into the way some of the players looked Scott? I'm curious as to how some players looked at their weights, namely guys like Alshon Jeffery.

For sure. Starting this weekend I will begin updating the "Buzz" page with notes and thoughts on some notable results. As for Jeffery, it's certainly good that he weighed in at 216 pounds. However, you have to wonder if the reason Jeffery isn't running is because his body is drained from dropping a bunch of weight so quickly... No inside info. there, just speculation on my part.

Complex
02-24-2012, 09:38 PM
For sure. Starting this weekend I will begin updating the "Buzz" page with notes and thoughts on some notable results. As for Jeffery, it's certainly good that he weighed in at 216 pounds. However, you have to wonder if the reason Jeffery isn't running is because his body is drained from dropping a bunch of weight so quickly... No inside info. there, just speculation on my part.

I thought he was running his 40.

JohnCandy
02-24-2012, 10:03 PM
If Malcolm Floyd had elite speed.
And if Criner runs a jaw dropping 40 similar to what Julio Jones did last year and otherwise has an outstanding combine, I could see a team like the Bears going after him in the first.

I think the rank for the top 5 WRs in this draft is still fluid. Some are going to rise based on their 40, other are going to fall.

I think it is more realistic that Rueben Randle makes that run up the boards.

LSU WR Rueben Randle measured 6-foot-2 7/8 and 210 pounds at Friday's Scouting Combine weigh-in.

Randle also has a 77-inch wingspan. While Randle is more than an inch shorter than his 6-foot-4 college listing, he's two pounds heavier and a rocked-up specimen. He's going to be a top-30 pick if he runs in the low-4.5s on Sunday.

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:03 AM
I thought he was running his 40.

It's unclear if he will be.

My main concerns are:

As Scott points out, is he at a functional weight? Or did he lose weight fast and lost muscle in the process.

How much of this weight can he actually keep off? Or was this just water weight and the like that was dropped off in the week leading up to the combine. when I was wrestling, I could drop an entire weight class in the week leading up to a match; but you better believe that as soon as the weigh in was over I was eating and back up a few pounds.

Will he keep it off? I could lose weight over that stretch of time if I thought it would make me a couple extra million dollars. Will he be dedicated? Will he keep it off after the combine?

Edit: Mike Adams with a 5.3 forty, and looked quick out of the stance

SuperPacker
02-25-2012, 08:06 AM
I wanna see pictures of Alshon Jeffery! I've seen one and he looked like he hadnt eaten for about two weeks lol.

It will be interesting to see what he looks like in the shorts doing the drills.

PossibleCabbage
02-25-2012, 08:07 AM
I need to recalibrate internally to figure out what a good OL 40 time is. Initially I saw Mike Adams' (unofficial 5.38) and figured "well, that's not good"... but then I realized, is it?

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:08 AM
I need to recalibrate internally to figure out what a good OL 40 time is. Initially I saw Mike Adams' (unofficial 4.38) and figured "well, that's not good"... but then I realized, is it?

Watch the 10 yard splits.

You want to see them out of their stance and how fast they can get to that second level.

EDIT: Also I wish that Adams ran a 4.3 forty :P

SuperPacker
02-25-2012, 08:09 AM
http://media.gogamecocks.com/smedia/2012/02/24/17/41/12NczY.MiHi.168.jpg

Didnt he use to be fat?

Miaoww
02-25-2012, 08:10 AM
It's always nice when you can say, with 100% certainty, that you look better than a pro athlete in lycra.

God bless the O-linemen.

TACKLE
02-25-2012, 08:10 AM
No sleep but a night filled with Mad Men, R Kelly, Shaggy ended off with a big McDonalds breakfast has me ready to rock! Being up at 6AM is the price you have to pay if you want to watch 300lb men run around in spandex!

PossibleCabbage
02-25-2012, 08:12 AM
EDIT: Also I wish that Adams ran a 4.3 forty :P

It's early, and the '5' is next to the '4'. ;)

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:12 AM
No sleep but a night filled with Mad Men, R Kelly, Shaggy ended off with a big McDonalds breakfast has me ready to rock! Being up at 6AM is the price you have to pay if you want to watch 300lb men run around in spandex!

I lol'd :P

Miaoww
02-25-2012, 08:12 AM
If Tommie Streeter didn't have off the field issues, after he runs a sub 4.45 at the combine I think he would have had a chance to go top 20.

I still think if he blows up the combine he's going to be reached on in the first round.

I'd be shocked. He's a one year wonder. He's turned into a fantastic vertical threat for the Canes - but that's after 2 years of doing nothing in Coral Gables.

He might have gone in the 1st round if he stuck around for his senior year and repeated his junior year, but I guess he saw the $$.

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:13 AM
It's early, and the '5' is next to the '4'. ;)

I was disappointed because they apparently didn't have someone timing the 10 yard line for Adams

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:16 AM
Cordy Glenn: 1.76 with 31 Reps :O

PossibleCabbage
02-25-2012, 08:17 AM
Cordy Glenn 4.96... I want to see the second attempt, I'm not sure that number is right. The 10 was good (1.76) I just don't know if he's that fast in the open field...

Hines
02-25-2012, 08:17 AM
Oh Cordy<3

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:18 AM
Thats a great split for him, I don't get why people are so down on this guy.

He is still going to be a dominant guard.

TACKLE
02-25-2012, 08:19 AM
one thing for olineman: fluidity in position drills >>>> 40 times

P-L
02-25-2012, 08:19 AM
lol.

4 years of game film <<<<<<<<< BENCH PRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Molk's film is more impressive than Brewster. The only reason Molk was rated behind Brewster in the first place is because he played the majority of his career at 285 lbs. The 298 number is more impressive than the 41 reps.

TACKLE
02-25-2012, 08:20 AM
oh and these 10 times seem way off. i wouldn't really look into them right now.

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:20 AM
one thing for olineman: fluidity in position drills >>>> 40 times

Don't you undersell what I'm watching right now :P I need to think what I'm doing is important.

PossibleCabbage
02-25-2012, 08:23 AM
That 5.3 time for Mike Adams might be legit, (I think the 10 was like 1.84).

That get-off wasn't real pretty.

TACKLE
02-25-2012, 08:24 AM
I know Mayock works hard but I still don't trust what he has to say when it comes to lineman.

P-L
02-25-2012, 08:25 AM
5.38 and 5.31 are disappointing for Adams. I really thought he'd solidify himself as a top 20 pick this week.

derza222
02-25-2012, 08:29 AM
Glenn's reps loooked impressive with those long arms. Massive human being.

TACKLE
02-25-2012, 08:29 AM
5.38 and 5.31 are disappointing for Adams. I really thought he'd solidify himself as a top 20 pick this week.

I don't really see how his 40 time changes that either way.

Miaoww
02-25-2012, 08:30 AM
I don't really see how his 40 time changes that either way.

Coupled with his disappointing Bench Press it suggests he's lazy. Or not as athletic as first thought.

vidae
02-25-2012, 08:30 AM
I don't really see how his 40 time changes that either way.

I don't either. He's a top 20 pick no matter what he runs or benches.

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:31 AM
I don't really see how his 40 time changes that either way.

I tend to agree but I too thought that Adams would come in and run a pretty good forty and put up some big Bench #s that would further intrigue scouts.

PossibleCabbage
02-25-2012, 08:33 AM
Coupled with his disappointing Bench Press it suggests he's lazy. Or not as athletic as first thought.

The bench hurts him more than the 40, I think. He's already a guy with some character flags, and the bench at the combine is always used as more of a litmus test for "will you go to the weight room when nobody is making you" and any time you combine "no" with other character flags, that's worth worrying.

Of course, the interview is going to be bigger as far as this is concerned, but it looks like Adams probably peaked at the senior bowl. Nothing so far at the combine is very encouraging for him.

TACKLE
02-25-2012, 08:34 AM
Coupled with his disappointing Bench Press it suggests he's lazy. Or not as athletic as first thought.

I challenge you to find one offensive lineman in college football this year who finished his blocks better than Adams. Mayock called his 19 reps unacceptable yet he constantly praised Nate Solder who only did 17. Don't make the mistake of making character judgements off a slightly slower 40 or slightly less bench reps.

vidae
02-25-2012, 08:35 AM
I will go to the mat with Mayock on DB evaluation but you should take his OL/DL evals with a massive grain of salt.

PossibleCabbage
02-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Cordy Glenn looks like he's carrying a barrel when he runs, but he's deceptively fast. I'm surprised.

Smash28Dash34
02-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Is Cordy Glenn Human?

Hines
02-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Cordy, stop running so fast and looking so good. We need you in Pittsburgh!

Sloopy
02-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Glenn is just a mountain of a man...

I know the 40 isn't THAT important for linemen, but it doesn't change the fact that you can look good doing it.

P-L
02-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Damn, Cordy Glenn with a 4.96 and 5.09 at 345 lbs! That's crazy.