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J-Mike88
02-27-2012, 09:59 AM
Let's say you're Miami and you choose not to roll the dice on Manning (or Manning is physically unable to play again).

Which of these 2 guys do you ride your career on:
Matt Flynn or Ryan Tannehill?

Keep in mind a head coach can be out of there in 3 years, maybe even 2 if they go badly. Look at the Chiefs and Bucs... both went 10-6 last year, then a year later they're both fired. (Haley and Raheem Morris).

Miami needs a starter right now, not a guy who is going to need 2 years watching & learning.

Also, be real here. I'm trying to gauge the confidence-level people really of on what Tannehill will do at this level, and what they think Flynn will do at this level, not on the Packers with their juggernaut of elite first-round stable WRs.

http://jerseyal.com/GBP/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/flynn10112.jpg

http://www.foxsportshouston.com/common/medialib/273/592388.jpg

PossibleCabbage
02-27-2012, 11:10 AM
What does Flynn cost me? Tannehill likely costs the eighth pick. The GM business is about "making the best use of your resources" more than anything else.

onejayhawk
02-27-2012, 11:42 AM
Flynn is in the Henne, Cassel, Campbell group, which is good enough for backup, but not good enough long term. Tannehill is an unknown, but with Pro Bowl upside. I dont think there is much question.

J

SuperPacker
02-27-2012, 11:45 AM
What does Flynn cost me? Tannehill likely costs the eighth pick. The GM business is about "making the best use of your resources" more than anything else.

But then Flynn will cost you 10 million and Tannehill about 5 million or whatever the new rookie wage scale numbers would make it.

SuperPacker
02-27-2012, 11:47 AM
Flynn is in the Henne, Cassel, Campbell group, which is good enough for backup, but not good enough long term. Tannehill is an unknown, but with Pro Bowl upside. I dont think there is much question.

J

Why is Flynn not good enough for long term? He hasnt had the oppourtunity so we dont know what he's going to do when he gets the chance.

PossibleCabbage
02-27-2012, 11:54 AM
But then Flynn will cost you 10 million and Tannehill about 5 million or whatever the new rookie wage scale numbers would make it.

I have to know the numbers here before I can make a choice. If Flynn is tagged, it costs me a pick (probably #41 or #72) but I get him for cheaper. If Flynn is a free agent, I have to win a bidding war.

There's too many unknowns here.

gpngc
02-27-2012, 11:57 AM
Great poll. I'd expect this one to be very close. I like Tanny's upside more. He's only been QB for 1.5 years...

toonsterwu
02-27-2012, 11:59 AM
B/w one or the other, if I'm the head coach (Philbin) and I'm mildly concerned about my future, I take Flynn, provided the finances fit into my long range picture. He's a far safer bet to be decent-solid than Tannehill, though I really like Ryan. If I'm the GM (Ireland), I take Tannehill and try to sell my owner that my plan is to build an exciting young offense around a strong-armed QB, so give me at least 3-4 years.

That said, I'd rather go Tannehill and a cheap veteran option, say, a Brian Hoyer.

Master Exploder
02-27-2012, 12:10 PM
I'd take my gamble on Matt Flynn and it's not even close.

AntoinCD
02-27-2012, 12:24 PM
B/w one or the other, if I'm the head coach (Philbin) and I'm mildly concerned about my future, I take Flynn, provided the finances fit into my long range picture. He's a far safer bet to be decent-solid than Tannehill, though I really like Ryan. If I'm the GM (Ireland), I take Tannehill and try to sell my owner that my plan is to build an exciting young offense around a strong-armed QB, so give me at least 3-4 years.

That said, I'd rather go Tannehill and a cheap veteran option, say, a Brian Hoyer.

I couldn't agree more.

From our perspective it's so easy to take a cavalier approach and say I'd take this guy because his upside is insane, or I'd give up so many draft picks to get this guy etc.

But if I'm a head coach (particularly a first time head coach) I don't want to hitch my wagon to a guy who I'm not sure on, especially if I'm giving up the 8th pick overall.

Matt Flynn is a guy who has shown he can play in the league (even though it is a small sample size) plus he will also cost less in terms of draft picks. I would find it very hard to turn down taking him plus a potential elite guy at 8.

Bring in Matt Flynn who knows the offense and give him Justin Blackmon who would be a great fit in the system. It is way easier to feel confident about that than Tannehill and, say, Stephen Hill in the second.

With that being said, if I'm the GM who the owner has recently given a vote of confidence to by keeping him while getting rid of the previous coaching staff I am selling a multi year vision. Tannehill's upside is a top 10 QB in the NFL (Flynn isn't). I want to take him at 8, ease him into a starting role and expect to really start challenging in a year or two. I'm telling Stephen Ross this guy isn't going to come in straight away and be like Cam Newton, he isn't going to be like RG3 or Andrew Luck. But with the right development he has the potential to be the best of the bunch.

It will be interesting to watch the dynamic in Miami. If they go Tannehill it will tell you that Philbin isn't the guy making the decisions.

Babylon
02-27-2012, 12:27 PM
Great poll. I'd expect this one to be very close. I like Tanny's upside more. He's only been QB for 1.5 years...

This could be a what would Seattle do question because it may come down to those two. I might be in the minority but for where the Seahawks defense is right now i think the window is slightly ajar for a Matt Flynn to get them to a Superbowl. Hasselbeck was good enough (and should of won) so why not Flynn.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2012, 12:55 PM
Flynn isn't as large of an investment and within a year or so you should have a good idea whether or not he is any good while being able to invest picks elsewhere on the offensive side of the ball to help him out (especially if you are a team like Cleveland or Miami.)

ChiFan24
02-27-2012, 01:00 PM
I picked Tannehill, but it's close.

AntoinCD
02-27-2012, 01:10 PM
Flynn isn't as large of an investment and within a year or so you should have a good idea whether or not he is any good while being able to invest picks elsewhere on the offensive side of the ball to help him out (especially if you are a team like Cleveland or Miami.)

Exactly. I posted a while ago saying that teams interested in Flynn will be evaluating him like a draft prospect. With only two games they will have to go back to his LSU tape and look at the improvement he has made. But he has sat for four years now. He probably isn't going to improve much more. If he doesn't cut it by the end of his first year (especially if he goes to Miami) then he just probably isn't going to cut it. Tannehill has a good few years of development before you know what you have. Now that's both a good thing and a bad thing.

You know if he isn't great after year one that he is still developng, but you are tying yourself down for probably at least 3 years with him.

Shane P. Hallam
02-27-2012, 01:12 PM
If I only have maybe 2 years, I'll sign Flynn. Is he a franchise QB? Not sure, but he has less of a curve than Tannehill will (as much as I like Tannehill)

J-Mike88
02-27-2012, 01:17 PM
Great poll. I'd expect this one to be very close. I like Tanny's upside more. He's only been QB for 1.5 years...

Flynn is gonna cost _____ we don't know but we can guess.
Tannehill is gonna go, now, somewhere in the #10-#25 range according to various guesses.

Flynn has never shown that he can last a whole NFL season.
But we all know what he has shown in 2 starts.
In the NFL.

AntoinCD
02-27-2012, 01:47 PM
Flynn is gonna cost _____ we don't know but we can guess.
Tannehill is gonna go, now, somewhere in the #10-#25 range according to various guesses.

Flynn has never shown that he can last a whole NFL season.
But we all know what he has shown in 2 starts.
In the NFL.

Flynn is going to cost at most a second round pick (maybe with a late rounder thrown in). With Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Manning etc there aren't enough teams with huge QB needs that will feel comfortable giving up a first.

There's not a huge difference in taking Flynn who will be 27 and only has two career starts over Brandon Weeden. Flynn obviously has the edge from the fact that he has been in the NFL, he has played in games and has had success. But you can't use the arguement that Weeden will only give you one full contract, and thus isn't worth a first, and not have a similar view of Flynn. The only difference is you're going to be paying Flynn upwards of $8 million a year compared to a lot less for Weeden.

bitonti
02-27-2012, 01:58 PM
is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.

onejayhawk
02-27-2012, 02:02 PM
Flynn is gonna cost _____ we don't know but we can guess.
Tannehill is gonna go, now, somewhere in the #10-#25 range according to various guesses.

Flynn has never shown that he can last a whole NFL season.
But we all know what he has shown in 2 starts.
In the NFL.

It is beginning to look like Tannehill goes in the #6-#12 range.

J

AntoinCD
02-27-2012, 02:03 PM
is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.

If Washington can't get up for RG3 I could see them taking him at 6. Miami, if they don't get up to 2 or get Manning/Flynn may take him at 8. Seattle probably won't let him get past 12 at the latest.

PossibleCabbage
02-27-2012, 02:50 PM
is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.

If Christian Ponder is a top 12 pick, then Ryan Tannehill is a top 12 pick. Neither guy has any business getting picked there except "teams, especially bad teams, need QBs."

(I'm not saying that Ponder and Tannehill are similar prospects, they're not. It's just that they have similar grades for different reasons. Ponder is a guy with limited upside but seemed to be "pro ready", whereas Tannehill is a guy who needs a whole lot of development but his upside is tremendous. Both ought to be "bottom of the first/top of the second" kind of prospects, but they're quarterbacks so they weren't and won't be.)

mightytitan9
02-27-2012, 02:58 PM
It all depends, with a rookie QB you usually get more time than with a veteran one. I think if i was a new rookie coach I'd go grab a rookie QB and we'd grow together and probably have 3-4 years for sure to prove ourselves (as long as we didn't post any 1-2 win horrible seasons). If I'm a coach that's already been at my current place a year or two and am on the edge and need to win now, I'd go Flynn

Caulibflower
02-27-2012, 03:12 PM
is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.

It's time to accept he's going to go top-15.

bitonti
02-27-2012, 03:22 PM
If Christian Ponder is a top 12 pick, then Ryan Tannehill is a top 12 pick.

I would agree if Tannehill had a great Senior Bowl and all the signature wins that Ponder had. as the Packers scout article points out, look at Tannehill on tape he makes a ton of great plays and a ton of bad plays too. All the A&M coaches got fired. He didn't have the type of career to justify a top 10 pick, with no senior bowl.

Shane P. Hallam
02-27-2012, 03:24 PM
I would agree if Tannehill had a great Senior Bowl and all the signature wins that Ponder had. as the Packers scout article points out, look at Tannehill on tape he makes a ton of great plays and a ton of bad plays too. All the A&M coaches got fired. He didn't have the type of career to justify a top 10 pick, with no senior bowl.

Not saying Tannehill SHOULD go in the Top 10-15, but he is heads and tails above Osweiler and Foles, and much more upside than Weeden to me.

If a guy is graded as the definite 3rd QB (not saying NFL teams do evaluate him that way, many won't. Some may have Osweiler or Cousins or Weeden or whoever,) and there is a clear separation between him and the next best QB, he may be worth reaching on to make sure you get him.

There was buzz out there after last year that the Redskins traded down and would have taken Ponder in the 1st at their spot. They missed out and suffered a year with Beck/Grossman. If you like the QB, take him where you have to.

Caulibflower
02-27-2012, 03:30 PM
Really wish Tannehill could've done a full workout at the combine, though. Guess we all just have to wait for March 29th. I imagine he'll have a really impressive Pro Day.

bitonti
02-27-2012, 04:06 PM
Not saying Tannehill SHOULD go in the Top 10-15, but he is heads and tails above Osweiler and Foles

just to play devils advocate why is Tannehill _so_ much better than Foles or Osweiler?

I guess im just late to the party on this one.

Tannehill yes a nice player with the potential to be a 1st rounder (maybe even a high 1st) if everything broke right... but nothing has gone well for him this offseason. everything has gone poorly for him, but his stock keeps rising?

Iamcanadian
02-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Flynn isn't going to come cheap, if Green Bay signs and then trades him, his contract could be very expensive for at least 3 years and he will cost a 1st rounder. Generally, these type of QB's don't turnout to be stars, see Cassel and Kolb, so there is a huge risk involved.
Tannehill isn't a sure thing either, but his contract will be cheaper and his upside could be potentially higher.
It is a very tough call although Philbin should have a very good idea of how good Flynn can be, so if Miami pursues him, the price could go up and he becomes the better choice. If Miami doesn't pursue him, then Tannehill is likely the better pick.

Finsfan79
02-27-2012, 07:19 PM
Tannehill has a far better arm comparing how they were in college and drafting time for teach of them. I would argue the upside of both is uncertain, but I think if Sherman says to miami that Tannehill is the guy to go for then snag him. He has the potential to be great. Plus miami has not drafted a 1st round QB in how many decades?

Wrathman
02-27-2012, 08:20 PM
It's looking less likely that the Packers franchise Flynn every day and considering Philbin being in town, I think the best short-term play for Miami is to go get Flynn, trade down into the middle of the first round if they can and then grab Wright or Floyd there.

Long term, I prefer Tannehill by a bit while realizing he is also on the higher risk side of the equation, but not as much as some think considering Flynn's very limited resume.

J-Mike88
02-27-2012, 10:48 PM
My guess, and hope, is that there's almost a wink deal between Miami and Green Bay, along with Philbin, that Flynn follows him there.

People may not remember (Dallas fans do maybe), but in Rodgers 3rd year sitting, he had one chance to play and he almost bailed out a crappy Favre hole-dig and he looked good. That was the fans first positive sign, but the coaches knew he had "it" already.

Fans just saw Flynn last year in his 3rd year, and he looked very good on the road in primetime at New England. Then this year his 4th year, he looked even better (record-setting) in his one chance. But coaches knew what he could do (not expecting 6 TDs and 400+ yards), as they had seen him look good and improve in practice behind the scenes.

Philbin is THE main coach who witnessed this, and had a big hand in it.

It seems to obvious to me that Flynn will be joining Philbin. Put yourself in Philbin's shoes.... your system, new QB coming in, what could be better than the guy who you coached up like that the past 4 years?

Brown Leader
02-27-2012, 11:22 PM
I draft Tannehill at #8. Sign Peyton Manning with the confidence (hope) he gets back to 100%. *fans & owner applaud the effort-buys me an extra year*

My guess, and hope, is that there's almost a wink deal between Miami and Green Bay, along with Philbin, that Flynn follows him there.

People may not remember (Dallas fans do maybe), but in Rodgers 3rd year sitting, he had one chance to play and he almost bailed out a crappy Favre hole-dig and he looked good. That was the fans first positive sign, but the coaches knew he had "it" already.

Fans just saw Flynn last year in his 3rd year, and he looked very good on the road in primetime at New England. Then this year his 4th year, he looked even better (record-setting) in his one chance. But coaches knew what he could do (not expecting 6 TDs and 400+ yards), as they had seen him look good and improve in practice behind the scenes.

Philbin is THE main coach who witnessed this, and had a big hand in it.

It seems to obvious to me that Flynn will be joining Philbin. Put yourself in Philbin's shoes.... your system, new QB coming in, what could be better than the guy who you coached up like that the past 4 years?

What are you basing this on? Isn't it just as possible a scenario that Philbin, having coached him up, knows Flynn is not a franchise QB type to receive a long term contract and so instead goes for the guy with higher upside?

J-Mike88
02-27-2012, 11:43 PM
What are you basing this on? Isn't it just as possible a scenario that Philbin, having coached him up, knows Flynn is not a franchise QB type to receive a long term contract and so instead goes for the guy with higher upside?
Sure, but I think the game-film that he put out there should give you some insight into the confidence Philbin has in Flynn.

Did you not watch either the game at NE last year or the game vs Detroit this year?

People say those are bad defenses. They're a lot better than Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Mizzou, etc.

Flynn's film is from NFL regular season games, both of them with some playoff-significance and both outdoors in cold weather.

Why would Philbin not be impressed by that?
Why does Tannehill have a higher "upside" than what Flynn has?
Age, heighth, fastball MPH?

What is "upside"?
What was Brady's when he was drafted?
What was Brees "upside, or ceiling" when San Diego let him go, and when Miami went with Culpepper instead of Brees"?
THe 49ers took Alex Smith over Rodgers in 2005 and they felt that Smith's athletic ability and bigger size made him have the higher upside.

Someone define upside or ceiling to me.

I heard last year this time that Blaine Gabbert had a very high ceiling.
I heard that about Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.

This "ceiling/upside" stuff cracks me up.

Caulibflower
02-28-2012, 02:25 AM
Pete Carroll likes bringing in lots of new (veteran) players, so I expect he's going to make a serious push for Flynn leading up to the draft. Or at least, he's going to seriously evaluating the possibility. You never know what coaching staffs really think about a given player. I'm not sure Flynn's the greatest fit for our offense, though. Or maybe I should say, instead; I actually think the offense Tannehill ran last year at A&M might be more similar to the Seahawks' than Green Bay's. I'm not necessary trying to knock Matt Flynn (or Aaron Rodgers) but the Packers offense is loaded. They have, besides their MVP quarterback, a line that's good enough to compete with the best defenses, competent running backs, a franchise-caliber tight end, two no. 2 receivers and two no. 1 receivers. That's a lot for any defense to handle, and it makes the quarterback's job a hell of a lot easier, whoever he is. So that's the grain of salt I have in mind when thinking about Matt Flynn.

But perhaps think of this - Pete Carroll is, if I recall, the second-oldest coach in the NFL. You've got to think drafting and developing your own quarterback is what every head coach always wants to do, and Carroll never has. Tannehill could end up being "his guy." Maybe he goes for a little bit of a gamble for the sake of his legacy.

duesouth
02-28-2012, 09:36 AM
Or - just stick with Matt Moore!!

DiG
02-28-2012, 10:19 AM
What are everyones thoughts on the possibility of the Browns taking Tannehill at 4 if the Skins move up to 2 for RG3? There seems like no way to me that Tannehill at this point will be available with the Browns second 1st round pick. They don't need to start him right away with Colt and Tannehill did play for former Mike Holmgren protege Mike Sherman in college.

Vendetta1
02-28-2012, 10:34 AM
If I'm the dolphins I do whatever I have to to get RG3 point bank period!

Vendetta1
02-28-2012, 10:36 AM
If the browns want tanenhill they better trade down that number 4 pick is WAY to high for him! Not worth it! You trade down to someone that wants Trent Richardson and get more picks to help build around tanenhill mayb an orson Charles or Stanford TE or Ingram from sc on the dline but 4 is way to
High for tanenhill

AntoinCD
02-28-2012, 10:45 AM
If the browns want tanenhill they better trade down that number 4 pick is WAY to high for him! Not worth it! You trade down to someone that wants Trent Richardson and get more picks to help build around tanenhill mayb an orson Charles or Stanford TE or Ingram from sc on the dline but 4 is way to
High for tanenhill

Teams in the top 10 are going to have a hard enough time justifying spending that high a pick on a RB let alone spending the 4th overall pick on him and giving up other high picks in a trade.

A Perfect Score
02-28-2012, 11:04 AM
Tannehill every time, but I'm an upside kind of guy and a Tannehill fan.

Flynn is an interesting scenario. Is he Matt Schaub or Kevin Kolb? Either way, I think the Packers ultimately franchise him and move him for an asset, what I'm assuming will be some sort of package including a 2nd round pick. So for arguments sake, let's say Flynn costs you the 40th overall pick, and Tannehill the 12th. I think those are fair assumptions, on some level. Tannehill is a higher perceived upside and will cost much less, salary wise, for the next several years. I'm taking the big, rocket armed, extremely mobile QB at 12, spending my 2nd rounder on one of the many, many receivers in this class worthy of that selection and hoping for the chance to develop him.

JoeJoeBrown
02-28-2012, 11:06 AM
I think Tannehill is extremely mediocre, so in no way would I stake my career on him. Maybe he blossoms later, but the dude completely underwhelmed me in college.

JoeJoeBrown
02-28-2012, 11:07 AM
It would be a typical retardo Browns move to draft Tannehill at 22.

He is going to suck.

DiG
02-28-2012, 11:09 AM
Teams in the top 10 are going to have a hard enough time justifying spending that high a pick on a RB let alone spending the 4th overall pick on him and giving up other high picks in a trade.

Thats what I am thinking. Trade down where? They would have to stay in front of the Chiefs and Seattle probably at 11 and 12. With the rookie salary scales now you arent nearly as concerned having to pay a "top 5" pick like you used to. I just don't see anyone from 7 to 10 moving up to 4 for any reason which leaves Cleveland stuck at 4 and we saw last year that teams are taking potential franchise signal callers earlier than their perceived value.

Vendetta1
02-28-2012, 04:28 PM
if im the browns i give colt one more season and if they have a crappy season o well they have a ride to matt barkley! Franchise saver!

J-Mike88
02-28-2012, 09:31 PM
I think Tannehill is extremely mediocre, so in no way would I stake my career on him. Maybe he blossoms later, but the dude completely underwhelmed me in college.
That's what I thought too and I live in Texas and rooted for the Aggies.
He seems to be the "IT" guy this year, like Blaine Gabbert was last year. And then Christian Ponder.

Still, he has a strong arm, and is pretty tall, nice size for a QB. Was coached by Mike Sherman, who once coached Favre.

JoeJoeBrown
02-28-2012, 10:21 PM
That's what I thought too and I live in Texas and rooted for the Aggies.
He seems to be the "IT" guy this year, like Blaine Gabbert was last year. And then Christian Ponder.

Still, he has a strong arm, and is pretty tall, nice size for a QB. Was coached by Mike Sherman, who once coached Favre.

I'm in texas as well so I got to see quite a few of his games.

You nailed it wrt gabbert and ponder.

Tannehill is physically gifted, but his accuracy is mediocre, he makes a lot of poor decisions, and he sucks at making clutch plays. He just isn't a good QB.

Brown Leader
02-29-2012, 08:08 AM
Sure, but I think the game-film that he put out there should give you some insight into the confidence Philbin has in Flynn.

Did you not watch either the game at NE last year or the game vs Detroit this year?

People say those are bad defenses. They're a lot better than Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Mizzou, etc.

Flynn's film is from NFL regular season games, both of them with some playoff-significance and both outdoors in cold weather.

Why would Philbin not be impressed by that?
Why does Tannehill have a higher "upside" than what Flynn has?
Age, heighth, fastball MPH?

What is "upside"?
What was Brady's when he was drafted?
What was Brees "upside, or ceiling" when San Diego let him go, and when Miami went with Culpepper instead of Brees"?
THe 49ers took Alex Smith over Rodgers in 2005 and they felt that Smith's athletic ability and bigger size made him have the higher upside.

Someone define upside or ceiling to me.

I heard last year this time that Blaine Gabbert had a very high ceiling.
I heard that about Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.

This "ceiling/upside" stuff cracks me up.

lol You know exactly what upside means.

2 starts doesn't reveal much of anything and certainly not the confidence Philbin has in Flynn.

SRK85
02-29-2012, 04:06 PM
Flynn, I would not gamble a 1st round pick on Tannehill. If Tannehill busts and there are better players drafted past him, well then it was a stupid pick. I would not draft Tannehill in the top 15 let alone the first round. There is a big drop off of talent for QBs after Luck and RG3. Flynn won't cost a draft pick and he has NFL experience.

toonsterwu
02-29-2012, 04:11 PM
if im the browns i give colt one more season and if they have a crappy season o well they have a ride to matt barkley! Franchise saver!

I'm far from convinced that Barkley is some sort of lock to be a top 5 pick. Lane Kiffin doesn't get nearly enough credit for his offensive designs and how he really simplifies the game for the QB. Don't get me wrong - I think Barkley is a first rounder, just not sure he's a lock to be a top 5 pick.

toonsterwu
02-29-2012, 04:16 PM
As a total aside, I think we'll get a clear picture of who's interested in Taneyhill sooner than later. There's really only two legitimate threats for RG3 right now, so depending on FA and the QB contracts that are handed out, I think we'll have an idea who is interested in Taneyhill in a couple weeks.

He's raw. If this was a decade ago, or even five years ago, I would say his value should be a mid-late first to early 2nd type. A Patrick Ramsey type value (for those that remember that draft, the Redskins and several other teams thought about him early-mid first but they just didn't think he had that value and kept moving down for him). That said, he has a strong arm, good velocity, and athletic ability. That will always attract scouts and GM's, and there's enough last year to show some semblance of field vision understanding that, if you believe he is a smart kid who will learn, that it might be worth it to gamble. I certainly think he's a better prospect than both Locker and Ponder.

My hunch right now is that, he could go top 10, but more than likely, ends up slipping to the mid-first, with perhaps a team from the top 10 trading down to net him. Of course, the threat is that a team like Buffalo, where he could groom behind Fitzpatrick, could have some interest, so this will be an interesting dance.

J-Mike88
02-29-2012, 11:40 PM
2 starts doesn't reveal much of anything and certainly not the confidence Philbin has in Flynn.
2 NFL starts in cold weather in the regular season DO reveal a lot more than some starts in the fall against collegiate teams like Texas Tech, Houston, Missouri, Baylor, Oklahoma State.

You can guess what a young QB can do in the NFL when given a chance.
You can see what Flynn actually did. Big difference, and you'll see that when a team makes the move for Matty Ice. The Real Matty Ice.

diemertsdawgs
03-01-2012, 02:21 AM
Flynn, and I hope my Browns go after him! If they can sign Flynn and use their picks on weapons on the offense....Justin Blackmon/Michael Floyd/Stephen Hill/Tommy Streeter and /or jump on a defensive stud ......Morris Claiborne/Nick Perry/Luke Kuechly.....depending on who they would pick at #4, then at #22. We should re sign Hillis soon and I expect them to either sign a back via free agency or draft one within rounds two to four.

Wrathman
03-01-2012, 09:47 PM
lol You know exactly what upside means.

2 starts doesn't reveal much of anything and certainly not the confidence Philbin has in Flynn.

One of the reasons the Pack finally let Favre go was that they saw what Rodgers was doing every day in practice. There was no way they could be totally sure that would translate to how he would play on Sundays, but clearly they had a decent comfort factor with Rodgers.

Whether that same factor is there for Philbin with Flynn is unknown, but it makes Miami the only team outside of Green Bay capable of properly evaluating Flynn in free agency...or as properly as anyone can at this point.

J-Mike88
04-12-2012, 05:15 PM
is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.
LOL at the "rise" of Tannehill. We see this every year.
Seattle stole Matt Flynn Flynn compared to whoever bites too high on Tannehill and his "upside".

Congrats Seahawks!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/18501376/tannehill-a-top10-draft-pick-only-when-the-annual-madness-sets-in


Ryan Tannehill's rightful place to be drafted? Maybe the late second or third round.

So here we are again, the annual NFL Draft, where smart men suddenly become incredibly dumb. Example No. 7 trillion: Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill is suddenly a first-round pick.

If Tannehill moved any faster up the NFL's draft boards, he'd be Deion Sanders. Starships don't travel this quickly. Still trying to figure out why. Was it his 1-5 record against ranked teams? Was it his completion percentage that fell last year? Was it his quarterback rating that was lower than Brock Osweiler's?

Common sense is replaced by hope. Words like "potential" become fruitful and multiply. It was in this environment players like Blaine Gabbert and JaMarcus Russell floated to places they should have never gone.


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7805969