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papageorgio
02-27-2012, 05:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqHTROHwFw4

This guy has no velocity on his throws. People are comparing this guy to the all time greats like Elway and Manning. He will become the next Matt Ryan or Chad Pennington.

Heard it here first folks.

I cant be the only one here that feels this guy is not this once in a a lifetime prospect. Its pretty sad how RG3 is not getting any love for number one when he is better in every single facet of football compared to Luck. I was right about Newton and I will bet anyone here that Luck will never be a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Crazy_Chris
02-27-2012, 05:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqHTROHwFw4

This guy has no velocity on his throws. People are comparing this guy to the all time greats like Elway and Manning. He will become the next Matt Ryan or Chad Pennington.

Heard it here first folks.

I cant be the only one here that feels this guy is not this once in a a lifetime prospect. Its pretty sad how RG3 is not getting any love for number one when he is better in every single facet of football compared to Luck. I was right about Newton and I will bet anyone here that Luck will never be a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Sure he is, if you consider athleticism and arm strength every single facet of football.

Caulibflower
02-27-2012, 05:38 PM
I was right about Newton and I will bet anyone here that Luck will never be a top 10 QB in the NFL.

*Lays down $1000.*

Iamcanadian
02-27-2012, 05:39 PM
Absolute rubbish, if anything the Combine confirmed that he is even a better prospect than I thought.

I also love RG111 but there is no way I'd put him above Luck.

bitonti
02-27-2012, 05:45 PM
hey nick, hows software development in yuma

papageorgio
02-27-2012, 05:45 PM
Absolute rubbish, if anything the Combine confirmed that he is even a better prospect than I thought.

I also love RG111 but there is no way I'd put him above Luck.

There is nothing Luck can do that RG3 cant do better. Luck was lucky he played in the Pac 10 because in the sec he would have been exposed for what he truly is.

SolidGold
02-27-2012, 05:46 PM
There is nothing Luck can do that RG3 cant do better. Luck was lucky he played in the Pac 10 because in the sec he would have been exposed for what he truly is.

Griffin played in the Big 12 man...

Caulibflower
02-27-2012, 05:49 PM
Griffin played in the Big 12 man...

I think Pac 12 defenses are probably more talented than Big 12 Ds.

papageorgio
02-27-2012, 05:50 PM
Griffin played in the Big 12 man...

He still has all the tools to be successful unlike Luck. He was Baylor. Without him they would win no games.

Substitute any Qb in lucks system and Stanford would still win many games.

SolidGold
02-27-2012, 05:52 PM
He still has all the tools to be successful unlike Luck. He was Baylor. Without him they would win no games.

Substitute any Qb in lucks system and Stanford would still win many games.

Yup, Tavita Pritchard was in that system before Luck under Haurbaugh and he really lit the PAC 10 on fire

Pat Sims 90
02-27-2012, 05:53 PM
He still has all the tools to be successful unlike Luck. He was Baylor. Without him they would win no games.

Substitute any Qb in lucks system and Stanford would still win many games.

Any QB can play in a Pro Style Offense and have as much success as Luck did now?

SolidGold
02-27-2012, 05:55 PM
When Griffin got knocked out of the Texas Tech game his backup came in and went 9/12 151 yds and 2 tds...just saying

Complex
02-27-2012, 05:56 PM
When Griffin got knocked out of the Texas Tech game his backup came in and went 9/12 151 yds and 2 tds...just saying

It was Texas Tech just saying.

papageorgio
02-27-2012, 05:57 PM
Yup, Tavita Pritchard was in that system before Luck under Haurbaugh and he really lit the PAC 10 on fire

They were 6-3 in the regular season which is decent.

Luck had an elite o line. Great tight ends and Owusu this year and last. You out Kellen Moore there and they win the exact same amount of games.

Hes a system QB no denying it.

papageorgio
02-27-2012, 05:58 PM
Any QB can play in a Pro Style Offense and have as much success as Luck did now?

Pro style system means jack ****. Most of the top NFL teams run a spread now anyways.

Being in a pro system didnt do anything for Clausen and Quinn.

It shows how meaningless it really is.

Iamcanadian
02-27-2012, 06:07 PM
You had your moment in time but the reality is, you don't have a clue about Luck and are just demonstrating your inability to rate a prospect. There isn't a GM or scout in the NFL that agree with you, end of story.

papageorgio
02-27-2012, 06:12 PM
You had your moment in time but the reality is, you don't have a clue about Luck and are just demonstrating your inability to rate a prospect. There isn't a GM or scout in the NFL that agree with you, end of story.

How can you deny facts im presenting. There are many who see Luck as another Matt Ryan. Thats fine but not someone who will ever be elite or win you a Superbowl without an elite defense.

A Perfect Score
02-27-2012, 06:18 PM
How can you deny facts im presenting. There are many who see Luck as another Matt Ryan. Thats fine but not someone who will ever be elite or win you a Superbowl without an elite defense.

Probably because you haven't presented a single fact. Opinions yes, many of them. None of them entirely relevant, or spelled properly...

Anyways, if you were remotely capable of presenting a legitimate argument, I might be inclined to agree that Luck won't live up to the hype, but only because the hype is so absurdly high.

BuddyCHRIST
02-27-2012, 06:18 PM
They were 6-3 in the regular season which is decent.

Luck had an elite o line. Great tight ends and Owusu this year and last. You out Kellen Moore there and they win the exact same amount of games.

Hes a system QB no denying it.

Owusu literally missed over half of his games the past two years and was not the same player due to concussions. Nice try though.

And no they don't with Kellen Moore.

If you like RG3 more then thats fine, because he's a great player. But Luck is a great prospect. He is the best pre-snap QB to come into the league since Peyton, a very accurate passer and his arm strength is becoming underrated with the amount of flack it receives. Not to mention this kid has been under more pressure than any player in CFB the past few years and handled it extremely well. If you don't come away more impressed after each interview then you weren't paying attention.

FUNBUNCHER
02-27-2012, 06:19 PM
A lot of people are underestimating Luck's arm strength because of the reads he was required to make which rarely asked him to rip it 30 yards downfield splitting coverage.

I've seen him really throw it enough times to know he can do it if you give him WRs who can get downfield and challenge secondaries.
I don't have any questions about his arm strength.

papageorgio
02-27-2012, 06:24 PM
A lot of people are underestimating Luck's arm strength because of the reads he was required to make which rarely asked him to rip it 30 yards downfield splitting coverage.

I've seen him really throw it enough times to know he can do it if you give him WRs who can get downfield and challenge secondaries.
I don't have any questions about his arm strength.

Look at the video I showed you. It was very Pennington like. In the NFL his noodle arm will be abused for many more pick 6`s

If Manning Clears out and can still play you Draft Trent Richardson and try and win some more super bowls.

Luck will never be able to carry a team like Manning did in Indy. Drafting Luck is a slap in the face to Manning.

niel89
02-27-2012, 07:29 PM
If your life had a face, I would punch it. I would punch your life in the face.

toonsterwu
02-27-2012, 07:44 PM
He still has all the tools to be successful unlike Luck. He was Baylor. Without him they would win no games.

Substitute any Qb in lucks system and Stanford would still win many games.

They might win some games, but they wouldn't be nearly as good as Luck was in the scheme. It's easy to forget that Stanford ran one of the most complex offenses, for QB's, in the entire NCAA. It required Luck to make line adjustments, make multiple reads.

I agree RG3 has a higher ceiling than Luck, but there's a bigger unknown with RG3. He didn't nearly have as many multiple read responsibilities as Luck did.

Comparing Luck's arm strength to Pennington is fairly ridiculous. Luck doesn't have RG3's deep ball, but he shows good enough velocity. Look at the hard 15 yard outs Luck made in that system - those are the tough passes that a QB have to make consistently, and Luck can do that. I've always said his arm strength seemed more Schaub-ish.

Taber21
02-27-2012, 07:46 PM
So you think the Colts, with the roster they have now and a healthy Manning, need to draft a RB at #1? I would agree their RB's leave a lot to be desired, but picking a RB #1 would be about the worst pick you could make. I am sure there are a dozen teams willing to trade up to #1 for Luck if the Colts decided QB was not a need.

toonsterwu
02-27-2012, 07:50 PM
Pro style system means jack ****. Most of the top NFL teams run a spread now anyways.

Being in a pro system didnt do anything for Clausen and Quinn.

It shows how meaningless it really is.

Pro-readiness, pro-system is one of the most pointless catch-phrases used by draftniks. A closer analysis of teh Weis systems in ND would show that Clausen and Quinn had a ton of limited read looks, where there responsibilities were often cut in half. Certainly, some plays in the NFL are like that, but it's far more complex.

Luck is the only QB I have ever, in my history on this board, been close enough to tag a "ready" tag. What he doesn't have is an understanding of the speed of the game, which will jump up a notch, BUT what he does have is

a) Excellent field vision
b) Excellent hi-lo recognition
c) Excellent 1-5 recognition
d) Excellent intermediate accuracy
e) Excellent seam touch
f) Excellent pocket awareness/footwork
g) Excellent ability to throw with anticipation

I love RG3. Any other draft, and he'd be almost guaranteed to be the top overall. He might end up being better than Luck. But Luck's combination of ceiling and "readiness" is simply too much to overcome, IMO, for RG3 this year. I certainly wouldn't fault any org for drafting upside, though. RG3 simply hasn't had the read responsibilities in college, and he hasn't shown the consistent ability to throw with anticipation (which is not entirely his fault ... ). This is no fault of RG3's in some respects- it's the system he was asked to operate, but, even with the changes in the draft pick costs, you still want the best combination of upside and readiness at the top of the draft, and IMO, Luck, the best QB prospect since Manning (and I'm old enough to remember Peyton in college, and I'm not sure Luck isn't a better prospect than Manning coming out), simply is that notch higher.

toonsterwu
02-27-2012, 07:51 PM
So you think the Colts, with the roster they have now and a healthy Manning, need to draft a RB at #1? I would agree their RB's leave a lot to be desired, but picking a RB #1 would be about the worst pick you could make. I am sure there are a dozen teams willing to trade up to #1 for Luck if the Colts decided QB was not a need.

2nded. If the Colts wanted to pass on a QB, first, they'd trade. If for some reason, no deal came, I think they'd be better off taking Matt Kalil (still not sold that Costanzo is an elite LT), or maybe even a Morris Claiborne. Richardson's great, and probably top 5-7 great as a prospect, but 1st overall? That'd be bad.

Rabscuttle
02-27-2012, 07:59 PM
If your life had a face, I would punch it. I would punch your life in the face.

Only a dirty hippy would object.

SchizophrenicBatman
02-27-2012, 08:38 PM
my favorite part about the OP is that Stanford won that game

papageorgio
02-27-2012, 09:40 PM
We will see. When Luck fails I will be the one laughing. I cant believe there are soo many Luck dick riders that cant see his obvious flaws.

dunagan15
02-27-2012, 10:36 PM
We will see. When Luck fails I will be the one laughing. I cant believe there are soo many Luck dick riders that cant see his obvious flaws.

Please name them, all in detail, and compare them to these far better prospects you are mentioning instead of just rambling about stupid **** and what conference they play in. A player isn't evaluated on who he plays. Sure its more impressive to some but Jordan Jefferson was undefeated this year up to the title game, man he must me a freakin baller. And all those awesome Alabama QBs that win in the SEC, they all seem way better.

So if you are indeed remotely serious about your OP, please give me some example and game film to back it up, otherwise gtfo and stop talking.

OaklandRaider56
02-28-2012, 12:50 AM
Make a checklist of everything you want in a QB. If Luck hasn't met the requirements in all of them, then you've put too much into arm strength; which can, surprising to some, improve. Luck's hype is ridiculous. I'll be shocked if he lives up to it, because it'd mean he has HOFers all around him. Sure things may not exist for NFL prospects, but Luck is as close as they come for the QB position. Stop being a contrarian for the sake of being one.

whatadai
02-28-2012, 12:59 AM
I was at that game...it was really just one bad read by Luck and a great read by the safety. That wasn't due to the velocity on the throw at all...it looked like the WR wasn't running his route correctly on that one and Luck made a bad read. All QBs make mistakes...but potential great ones like Luck brush it off and come back and win the game like he did that night.

JHL6719
02-28-2012, 02:34 AM
lulz @ Big-12 QB's

Caulibflower
02-28-2012, 02:51 AM
If your life had a face, I would punch it. I would punch your life in the face.

Please name them, all in detail, and compare them to these far better prospects you are mentioning instead of just rambling about stupid **** and what conference they play in. A player isn't evaluated on who he plays. Sure its more impressive to some but Jordan Jefferson was undefeated this year up to the title game, man he must me a freakin baller. And all those awesome Alabama QBs that win in the SEC, they all seem way better.

So if you are indeed remotely serious about your OP, please give me some example and game film to back it up, otherwise gtfo and stop talking.

Make a checklist of everything you want in a QB. If Luck hasn't met the requirements in all of them, then you've put too much into arm strength; which can, surprising to some, improve. Luck's hype is ridiculous. I'll be shocked if he lives up to it, because it'd mean he has HOFers all around him. Sure things may not exist for NFL prospects, but Luck is as close as they come for the QB position. Stop being a contrarian for the sake of being one.

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dannyz
02-28-2012, 02:54 AM
We will see. When Luck fails I will be the one laughing. I cant believe there are soo many Luck dick riders that cant see his obvious flaws.

So when Andrew Luck turns out to be a Top 5 QB in the NFL I will need that Money and so will alot of people. You just think your Cool to think the opposite from everyone else. I Love RGIII to and agree Andrew Luck is getting alot of Hype but the Hype RGIII has gotten since he Won the Heisman is getting bad. People like this guy think Andrew Luck is going to have to much pressure Replacing a Legend like Peyton Manning, I think RGIII is going to have more pressure because the Hype he is getting and plus a Team is about to Trade almost their entire Draft to get him so he will have to be on a bad team and have no other players getting drafted to help him and he still has to be Great to Live up to the Trade that is going to be super hard. I am not saying he can't do it but it's hard.

Caulibflower
02-28-2012, 03:07 AM
atta guy...

AntoinCD
02-28-2012, 04:18 AM
The ridiculous thing about this crappy thread is there are so many people who will say Luck didn't meet the hype unless he literally becomes an all time great.

If he becomes Eli Manning, a guy who is always in the top 10 QBs in the NFL and on the fringes of top 5 and wins a few Superbowls it still gives people the ammunition to say he didn't meet the hype because he isn't the best player everzzzz.

I don't think the Colts are drafting Andrew Luck with the assumption he will be an all time great. They are going to draft Andrew Luck because they fully believe he will be their franchise QB for more than a decade and he is a guy they can win Superbowls with. I would use the first overall pick on a guy like any day.

descendency
02-28-2012, 05:16 AM
The greatest prospect since Elway can't become Matt Ryan. I think that's fair to say.

batsandgats
02-28-2012, 11:48 AM
So when Andrew Luck turns out to be a Top 5 QB in the NFL I will need that Money and so will alot of people. You just think your Cool to think the opposite from everyone else. I Love RGIII to and agree Andrew Luck is getting alot of Hype but the Hype RGIII has gotten since he Won the Heisman is getting bad. People like this guy think Andrew Luck is going to have to much pressure Replacing a Legend like Peyton Manning, I think RGIII is going to have more pressure because the Hype he is getting and plus a Team is about to Trade almost their entire Draft to get him so he will have to be on a bad team and have no other players getting drafted to help him and he still has to be Great to Live up to the Trade that is going to be super hard. I am not saying he can't do it but it's hard.

what i dont get is, besides this forum, most fans are split on Luck and a good deal saying he is overrated....so wouldn't that take away from him being overhyped?

indyfan1985
02-28-2012, 01:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqHTROHwFw4

This guy has no velocity on his throws. People are comparing this guy to the all time greats like Elway and Manning. He will become the next Matt Ryan or Chad Pennington.

Heard it here first folks.

I cant be the only one here that feels this guy is not this once in a a lifetime prospect. Its pretty sad how RG3 is not getting any love for number one when he is better in every single facet of football compared to Luck. I was right about Newton and I will bet anyone here that Luck will never be a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Dude you are the biggest hater on Luck I know. Just becase he has great touch on his passes proves NOTHING about having no velocity on his passes. He can fling it with power as well. I suppose your another one of those guys Wow'd by combine workouts and are in love with RG3 now?

toonsterwu
02-28-2012, 05:18 PM
I should lay off this thread, but I'm going to give a couple more thoughts:

a) The velocity on that throw didn't look bad. It was no where near his best throws, but it wasn't bad. I mean, I like Pennington in a lot of ways, but his balls floated a lot.

b) Give credit where credit's due.

i) Monte Kiffin out-smarted a smart young QB. There's not much I can fault Luck there, considering his age and experience level. Monte Kiffin just did one better. Now, without All-22, I can't really tell everything, but what it looked like was the Trojans showed blitz to Luck's left (or at least, Luck thought a blitz was coming ... you can see Luck peeking there before the snap). He did the right thing - he went to what seemed to be his hot read on a scenario like that. Problem was, Monte Kiffin had the SAM LB play in a short zone, which narrowed the tunnel through which Luck could throw to.

ii) Robey gambling and succeeding. Now, it looked like a standard 2-deep type look there, so on paper, Robey had deep support, and he had a backer in shallow zone, so if he went through enough film, he probably felt comfortable in taking the gamble. Problem is, safety is out of position a bit (if Luck connects with the WR on the back shoulder side, then it's a touchdown).

Sometimes a QB can make the an understandable decision and lose.

Again, he doesn't have elite arm strength (although ESPN sport science did a thing on that I think, where it showed he could still chuck it 50-60 yards off his back foot). Does he have elite velocity, on the Jay Cutler level? No. But I'm not concerned about the velocity (and he has a superb release, Brady-esque). Every QB has average-ish plays from time to time. Someone has all the passes and plays Luck did in the USC game up on youtube, and i you go through it, what's impressive is

a) His velocity on throws
b) His touch on throws
c) His ability to go through all the reads in a play where things haven't broken down
d) His field vision
e) His ability to do all of the above and put the ball in a position where his receivers can do something with it. There's a pass he throws to Whalen in the 2nd video that was just exemplary on it's location.

And off the top, the USC game was admittedly a sub-par game for him, where the Trojans got a fair amount of pressure at him.

OSUGiants17
02-28-2012, 05:40 PM
The OP is an idiot and there is no evidence that shows Luck will bust or not live up to the hype. That being said, I do have a strange feeling that he will disappoint, whether it be due to injury, lack of surrounding talent, or just wanted to pursue architecture more than football in a few years. I don't know why, but I just think he won't live up to the hype. Not due to any flaws in his game though.

niel89
02-28-2012, 05:52 PM
Link in my sig to most of Lucks throws from the last season including the USC game. If you have questions about his ability to throw the I suggest you check out more of the tape.

bigbuc
02-28-2012, 06:04 PM
If he wins a SB then yes he lives up to the hype. If he doesn't than no... We all talk about QB's that win SB's.

Babylon
02-28-2012, 06:08 PM
what i dont get is, besides this forum, most fans are split on Luck and a good deal saying he is overrated....so wouldn't that take away from him being overhyped?

Not sure fans are split to be honest. There may be a few who would take Griffin but i think that is more a case that they really like him.

I actually like Luck more after the combine than i did before and that is saying something. I thought he showed some athletecism and explosion that we might have overlooked.

I get a kick out of this thread. 40 something responses to basically say bull****.

LonghornsLegend
02-28-2012, 06:26 PM
I actually agree with the notion he'll never live up to the hype, I mean honestly if he doesn't win multiple SB's it'll be perceived as a massive let down. But I wasn't expecting the OP to be a troll looking for some attention. No matter what you feel about Luck, there's not a lot of tangible evidence you can point to as to what would make him become an average starting QB, you'd have to nitpick and that happens to everyone going through this process.

LonghornsLegend
02-28-2012, 08:05 PM
disagree. was peyton a let down? was elway (circa 1997)?

I actually think Peyton was a huge let down to a ton of people until he won the SB, and even then a large number gave majority credit to the defense for that run. Without that SB he would have had a huge blemish on his resume. I think if he has the career path of say, Phillip Rivers, it'll be a huge disappointment to a ton of people.

bored of education
02-28-2012, 08:08 PM
*shrug* i dunno. if luck is clearly one of the two best qbs in the nfl for nearly his entire career, i think anyone who calls him a letdown is on the peter king level of football analysis. but i get what you're saying.

*shrug* *blink*

Bert Macklin
02-28-2012, 08:36 PM
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/237/621/c8a.gif

Luck will be a star.

toonsterwu
02-28-2012, 11:47 PM
*shrug* *blink*

i'll leave all pretense of coming up with some football related comment to justify a post, and just go with how's it going boe.

WCH
02-29-2012, 02:27 AM
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/237/621/c8a.gif

Luck will be a star.

First of all, that is the most intelligent post of the entire thread.

Second, to Descendency, I agree that the "He's the best prospect since Elway!!!!" people are mildly ********. For one thing, it overlooks Peyton Manning, who was practically hailed as the next great thing from the time that Archie first brought him to a Saints practice.

papageorgio
02-29-2012, 05:44 PM
Griffin should be the number one overall pick. He has just as much pre snap knowledge as Luck. There is not one thing that Luck is better at than Griffin other than making dink and dunk passes to his running backs and tight ends.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts?module=HP11_cp

Inspector71
02-29-2012, 07:50 PM
I love Andrew Luck and RG3 both. But I do beleive the hype of Andrew Luck is a little over the top. But then again he is a once in a decade prospect.

I actually feel bad for Luck because of some of the expectations. to be mentioned with Elway?

Think of the pressure of that. Elway went to 5 Super Bowls. He won more games than anybody ever when he retired.

Some people will hold Luck to that standard. And that's unfair.

But the OP is ridiculous.

VikesWookie
02-29-2012, 09:40 PM
Griffin is definitely better at staying on the turf after getting rocked ;)
He took a bit of punishment this year. Faster, bigger and stronger competition now... How will III fare?