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diabsoule
03-09-2012, 09:29 PM
Per Jay Glazer: Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap first rounders this yr w Rams also getting 2 future #1s and additional picks.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gbhvr8

Dan Snyder hates draft picks

Ness
03-09-2012, 09:30 PM
Wow the Rams just took home the crown.

Grizzlegom
03-09-2012, 09:31 PM
Haha, three threads at once, two in Draft Forum and one here.

Brent
03-09-2012, 09:34 PM
welcome to DC, Mr RG3!

ATLDirtyBirds
03-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Jesus Christ.

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 09:35 PM
Per Adam Schefter: Redskins send three first-round picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall pick.

redbills
03-09-2012, 09:37 PM
Per Adam Schefter: Redskins send three first-round picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall pick.

Wow, better hope RGIII doesn't flop.

bigbuc
03-09-2012, 09:38 PM
That's a lot.... But if he's the guy it's all worth it.

Go_Eagles77
03-09-2012, 09:40 PM
This is rather disappointing news.

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 09:42 PM
Rams just trade raped the Redskins. Shanahan better develop RGIII into ******* Superman for that mortgage on the future of your franchise

vidae
03-09-2012, 09:44 PM
... Wow. That is a ton, rofl.

Go_Eagles77
03-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Rams just trade raped the Redskins. Shanahan better develop RGIII into ******* Superman for that mortgage on the future of your franchise

Yeah, while I hate that RG3 is going to a division rival, the 3 first round picks kind of balance it out.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 09:44 PM
The Rams win the internet today.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 09:45 PM
In comparison, the Bears got Jay Cutler for 2 firsts and a 3rd. And he was already a really good quarterback. And those 1st rounders weren't in the top 10.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 09:47 PM
Well the Browns will potentially have the best set of corners in the NFL with Haden and Claiborne.

vidae
03-09-2012, 09:48 PM
The Rams just set themselves up for a niiiice haul the next few years. You can't be sure this early, but I'd bet that those firsts from the Redskins are in the top 20 for the next few years.

Great job Rams.

FSPH
03-09-2012, 09:49 PM
Haha that guy is never going to be a top 10 qb and they just went all in on him

NGSeiler
03-09-2012, 09:50 PM
Love it. Absolutely love it.

vidae
03-09-2012, 09:50 PM
At least they're trying, haha. The Chiefs haven't drafted a first round QB since 83.. not that I'd ever give up that much for a prospect, even one I like as much as RG3, but the Redskins are sort of trying to improve their team.

Hines
03-09-2012, 09:51 PM
Daniel Snyder has balls. All I have to say.

PoopSandwich
03-09-2012, 09:51 PM
God ******* Dammit

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 09:53 PM
The Rams will have 2 first round draft picks in THREE consecutive drafts.

And the Redskins deal for RG3 is more costly than the Ditka deal for Ricky Williams. Says all you need to know

SuperMcGee
03-09-2012, 09:53 PM
Holy balzac. King's ransom, alright.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 09:55 PM
I think this all but guarantees the Redskins are going to be super active in free agency. You might as well pack Vincent Jackson's bags for Washington.

PoopSandwich
03-09-2012, 09:55 PM
Why the **** did Washington have to suck so much dick this year that they were in the top 6 they are the only team ******* stupid enough to increase the value of the #2 pick to that point. I like RGIII but for ***** sake that's so many picks.

Browns better get Matt Flynn or something because I will puke my ******* brains out if we have to play with Colt again or draft Tannehill in the top 5.

Diehard
03-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Now the Rams need to pick wisely...

Skins fans, enjoy watching RGIII running those classic Shanahan bootleg p/a passes - that's going to be a very nice fit.

Da-Phins
03-09-2012, 09:59 PM
Wow thats a hell of a trade for the Rams.

scottyboy
03-09-2012, 10:01 PM
dammit, now I can't love RG3. this is rather disappointing

Scotty D
03-09-2012, 10:01 PM
Now you have Vick, Romo, Eli and RG III in one division.

WMD
03-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Wwwwwwwoooooooooowwwwwwww

Basileus777
03-09-2012, 10:03 PM
It's a huge amount to give up for an unknown, this is the type of decision that can potentially cripple a franchise for half a decade.

armageddon
03-09-2012, 10:04 PM
I hate when they say they traded 3 #1 picks because they basically swapped picks this year and only traded 2 #1's

PoopSandwich
03-09-2012, 10:05 PM
It's a crazy amount to give up for an unknown, this is the type of decision that cripples franchises.

Or it makes them great because they have balls to make risky moves.

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 10:08 PM
Who knows who the Rams will take now... Blackmon if he falls there, Fletcher Cox a possibility?

Basileus777
03-09-2012, 10:09 PM
Or it makes them great because they have balls to make risky moves.

Even if RGIII pans out, Washington isn't exactly stocked with talent, and now they just gave up their best tools to build a team around him.

CJSchneider
03-09-2012, 10:10 PM
The Rams will have 2 first round draft picks in THREE consecutive drafts.

And the Redskins deal for RG3 is more costly than the Ditka deal for Ricky Williams. Says all you need to know

Let's hope for the 'Skins sake it works out a little bit better.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 10:11 PM
Who knows who the Rams will take now... Blackmon if he falls there, Fletcher Cox a possibility?
I think Claiborne and Blackmon will go in the 4th and 5th picks (in either order). At that point I think the Rams would either look at Reiff or one of the DT (Poe or Cox)

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
Per Schefter: Trade will not change Redskins plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. Intend to talk with and try to sign him, even if considered a longshot.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

J-Mike88
03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
Next up...... Peyton to Arizona.
Flynn to Miami.
Kolb to Cleveland.

TheFinisher
03-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I love the trade, 2 1sts and a 2nd is worth it if he pans out.

vidae
03-09-2012, 10:14 PM
The Rams will have 2 first round draft picks in THREE consecutive drafts.

And the Redskins deal for RG3 is more costly than the Ditka deal for Ricky Williams. Says all you need to know

Two. They only have one first this year.

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 10:15 PM
Risky, bold, and I think ultimately good move by the redskins. RG3 is a very good fit for that style of offense, and its not like they don't have pieces in place. They have a stable of good runningbacks, a very good TE, LT, and three pretty good receivers.

As for the defense, they are pretty underrated. They beat the Giants twice last year, and with a gameplan like they had it wasn't surprising that they came out on top. RG3 adds another dimension to that offense, and the two firsts in next years and the year after that aren't now. Getting RG3 now and developing him while they have the roster they have now is a smart move.

VernonLawson89
03-09-2012, 10:16 PM
Skins got raped

Hurricanes25
03-09-2012, 10:16 PM
I hope RG3 works out for them. If he becomes a bust, the 'Skins will be set back for a long ass time.

kalbears13
03-09-2012, 10:17 PM
Well I'm glad the Browns didn't put all their eggs in that basket...

vidae
03-09-2012, 10:18 PM
http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv208/t_wired/RG3_KC.jpg

This is the last time I can look upon this fondly. I have to delete the URL now. Someone hold me. :(

freebirdsrams02
03-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Great trade for the Rams.

Shane P. Hallam
03-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Isn't this what we expected? Losing 2 firsts and a second isn't that bad IMO. Worth a shot

Hurricanes25
03-09-2012, 10:23 PM
And if Bradford doesn't work out for the Rams, they'll have plenty of picks to use to replace him...

WMD
03-09-2012, 10:24 PM
I like it for both sides. It's a ton to give up and a huge risk but the Redskins did what they had to in order to get the guy they want. All they have to do is nail this pick and it'll be worth it.

The Rams now have the ammo to pretty much get anyone they want over the next couple of years. They can keep the picks and build their team or make whatever deals they want.. but they have to do something with these extra picks or Washington wins the trade.

Basileus777
03-09-2012, 10:25 PM
And if Bradford doesn't work out for the Rams, they'll have plenty of picks to use to replace him...

And they'll likely be a poor enough team to get a high enough pick to draft a good prospect. Or they could trade up using some of their many high draft picks.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 10:27 PM
The Rams will have 2 first round draft picks in THREE consecutive drafts.

And the Redskins deal for RG3 is more costly than the Ditka deal for Ricky Williams. Says all you need to know

They will only have 1 st this year, but 2 2nds.

I think this all but guarantees the Redskins are going to be super active in free agency. You might as well pack Vincent Jackson's bags for Washington.

39ish mil in FA money, best believe they will.

It's a huge amount to give up for an unknown, this is the type of decision that can potentially cripple a franchise for half a decade.

Face it, Shanahan went all in. If he busts, Shanahan wont be around to mess with not having 1sts.

Complex
03-09-2012, 10:28 PM
So does this give Shanahan more time with the skins?

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 10:29 PM
Isn't this what we expected? Losing 2 firsts and a second isn't that bad IMO. Worth a shot

I like it for both sides. It's a ton to give up and a huge risk but the Redskins did what they had to in order to get the guy they want. All they have to do is nail this pick and it'll be worth it.

The Rams now have the ammo to pretty much get anyone they want over the next couple of years. They can keep the picks and build their team or make whatever deals they want.. but they have to do something with these extra picks or Washington wins the trade.

Yeah, please look at the Eli Manning trade. A franchise quarterback is worth a lot. The Redskins have been pretty bad for awhile now, and looked very promising last season. Taking a risk on RGIII is something that could really help the franchise turn the corner.

redbills
03-09-2012, 10:30 PM
Per Schefter: Trade will not change Redskins plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. Intend to talk with and try to sign him, even if considered a longshot.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

:lol:

Funny if they do sign Payton and then pass on rgiii.

dunagan15
03-09-2012, 10:30 PM
This is just ammo so the Rams can trade Bradford and their next 4 first rounders for Luck. Come on guys gotta read thru the lines!

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 10:31 PM
Yeah, please look at the Eli Manning trade. A franchise quarterback is worth a lot. The Redskins have been pretty bad for awhile now, and looked very promising last season. Taking a risk on RGIII is something that could really help the franchise turn the corner.

Would you have traded 3 1sts and a 2nd for Eli? If you answer yes Im calling BS.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 10:31 PM
I hate when they say they traded 3 #1 picks because they basically swapped picks this year and only traded 2 #1's
They gave up at least four players for one player. You can look at it however you want.
It's stupid to count RGIII as both a player and a pick

SeanTaylorRIP
03-09-2012, 10:31 PM
When was the last time Skins fans had a QB to be excited about? I know its a hell of a risk, but if we land the franchise QB who i feel RGIII will be in a perfect system it's well worth it. We just went through a Grossman and Beck season so F it im down. And we did gain some decent depth with our deep draft last year. We need weapons for RG3 ASAP though, hopefully he can attract some free agents, definitely need to retain Fred Davis, he will be RG3's best friend.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 10:33 PM
When was the last time Skins fans had a QB to be excited about? I know its a hell of a risk, but if we land the franchise QB who i feel RGIII will be in a perfect system it's well worth it. We just went through a Grossman and Beck season so F it im down. And we did gain some decent depth with our deep draft last year. We need weapons for RG3 ASAP though, hopefully he can attract some free agents, definitely need to retain Fred Davis, he will be RG3's best friend.

Shoulda kept Colt Brennan. You woulda never been in this situation.

Complex
03-09-2012, 10:33 PM
I hope RGII tells the skins that his son will not play for the redskins and wants to get traded.

PoopSandwich
03-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Even if RGIII pans out, Washington isn't exactly stocked with talent, and now they just gave up their best tools to build a team around him.

Doesn't matter, hard to do anything without a franchise QB.

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Would you have traded 3 1sts and a 2nd for Eli? If you answer yes Im calling BS.

Me personally? probably not. But Ernie Acorsi compared him to John Elway, so I am not so sure I would put it past him. The draft value has changed, top picks aren't killer to a franchise because of rookie payscale.

armageddon
03-09-2012, 10:35 PM
Good luck Redskins, I think RG3 is going to be the real deal. But please suck the next 2 years so your #1's will be top 10. Fair ?

yodabear
03-09-2012, 10:37 PM
My two favorite teams just became the Rams and whoever plays the Redskins. WTF? I ate an apple today and the Rams made a good move....IT IS COMING AH THE APOCOLYPSE!

SeanTaylorRIP
03-09-2012, 10:40 PM
My two favorite teams just became the Rams and whoever plays the Redskins. WTF? I ate an apple today and the Rams made a good move....IT IS COMING AH THE APOCOLYPSE!

Well technically that would be a lot more than 2 teams.

VernonLawson89
03-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Isn't this what we expected? Losing 2 firsts and a second isn't that bad IMO. Worth a shot

I read they gave up 3 1st's and a 2nd.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-09-2012, 10:41 PM
My two favorite teams just became the Rams and whoever plays the Redskins. WTF? I ate an apple today and the Rams made a good move....IT IS COMING AH THE APOCOLYPSE!

It's 2 firsts and a 2nd, they traded up from #6 to #2 that doesn't count as losing a first round pick.

Basileus777
03-09-2012, 10:42 PM
I read they gave up 3 1st's and a 2nd.
They gave up 3 1sts and got a 1st back in return.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 10:43 PM
I still don't understand that logic at all, but whatever. They gave up 3 1st round picks to get 1 first round pick. You can't say they didn't give up one of their picks when they did, they just got one back. They still traded it, it's not like it didn't happen.

This trade still isn't as crazy as the Carson Palmer trade, however.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 10:44 PM
I still don't understand that logic at all, but whatever. They gave up 3 1st round picks to get 1 first round pick. You can't say they didn't give up one of their picks when they did, they just got one back. They still traded it, it's not like it didn't happen.

This trade still isn't as crazy as the Carson Palmer trade, however.

He was clarifying where someone said the Rams would have 2 1st round picks in 3 years, when in reality they will only have 1 this year and 2 in each of the next 2

descendency
03-09-2012, 10:45 PM
Imagine how much the Rams could get on draft day for someone trading up for Tannehill.

They could be loaded over the next few drafts...

dannyz
03-09-2012, 10:46 PM
The Redskins made a really risky move, If RGIII turns into a Franchise QB then the they will look like the Smartest Team ever but if he turns into a Bust then the Redskins just blew the fist half of this Decade. The Rams need to learn from the Redskins past with the Ricky Williams trade and turn themselves into a Dynasty.

Complex
03-09-2012, 10:47 PM
I want to watch the NFL network right now. I can't find a stream.

OSUGiants17
03-09-2012, 10:51 PM
Imagine how much the Rams could get on draft day for someone trading up for Tannehill.

They could be loaded over the next few drafts...

Nothing :|. No one will EVER trade UP for Tannehill, maybe trade down or back into the 1st. But no one with a brain would trade all the way up to 6 for Ryan Tannehill.

descendency
03-09-2012, 10:53 PM
Nothing :|. No one will EVER trade UP for Tannehill, maybe trade down or back into the 1st. But no one with a brain would trade all the way up to 6 for Ryan Tannehill.

Jacksonville. Blaine Gabbert.

Complex
03-09-2012, 10:58 PM
Jacksonville. Blaine Gabbert.

There were people that actually thought he was the best QB in that draft. Can't say the same thing for Tannehill.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 10:59 PM
Nothing :|. No one will EVER trade UP for Tannehill, maybe trade down or back into the 1st. But no one with a brain would trade all the way up to 6 for Ryan Tannehill.

Offer a team like the Seahawks #6 for their pick and 2 2nds/ 1st and 3rd and Id pull the trigger.

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 10:59 PM
Jacksonville. Blaine Gabbert.

I felt like Ponder was the real surpirse

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 10:59 PM
I want to watch the NFL network right now. I can't find a stream.
They are barely discussing it at all. Mostly talking about Peyton Manning. They weren't prepared to talk about it, you can tell.

dannyz
03-09-2012, 11:03 PM
There were people that actually thought he was the best QB in that draft. Can't say the same thing for Tannehill.

I would not be surprised if someone did Trade up for Tannehill. If the Dolphins lose out on Manning and they think Tannehill could be a Franchise QB they might make a Deal, Crazier things have happened look at last year you mentioned people thought Blaine Gabbert was the Best QB in the Draft while most smart people thought he should go maybe middle of the fist and Christian Ponder should have been a late fist.

Complex
03-09-2012, 11:09 PM
They are barely discussing it at all. Mostly talking about Peyton Manning. They weren't prepared to talk about it, you can tell.

Thanks.I wanted to hear them talk about since ESPN isn't.

fenikz
03-09-2012, 11:11 PM
ugh lets just hope the Rams screw it up like the rest of their drafts

descendency
03-09-2012, 11:11 PM
There were people that actually thought he was the best QB in that draft. Can't say the same thing for Tannehill.

But one of those was Charlie Casserly who said "I haven't watched any film and I know he's the best QB" (or something to that effect)

Complex
03-09-2012, 11:34 PM
But one of those was Charlie Casserly who said "I haven't watched any film and I know he's the best QB" (or something to that effect)

Another one was Mike Mayock and I think kiper or McShay.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 11:38 PM
Yeah. Mayock ******* looooooooooved Gabbart. Probably his darkest hour.

descendency
03-09-2012, 11:41 PM
Yeah. Mayock ******* looooooooooved Gabbart. Probably his darkest hour.

Mayock doesn't seem to understand much outside of DBs, where he is pretty spot on usually.

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 11:42 PM
Mayock doesn't seem to understand much outside of DBs, where he is pretty spot on usually.

yeah, he is definitely the best at evaluating DB's on television.

niel89
03-09-2012, 11:44 PM
If they think RGIII is their guy then pay what you need to get him. It is a terrible deal if he busts but its picks well spent if he turns out to be a franchise QB. I don't know if Griffin is that special, but he fits the offense and is a good kid.



Face it, Shanahan went all in. If he busts, Shanahan wont be around to mess with not having 1sts.

Great point. Coaches need to constantly work to keep their jobs. Shanahan doesn't give a **** if the next coach is missing 1st's.


Yeah. Mayock ******* looooooooooved Gabbart. Probably his darkest hour.
He also loooooved Robert Ayers. Granted Ayers was out of position but he still is a bust.

descendency
03-09-2012, 11:46 PM
I doubt an owner lets a coach he may fire totally wreck his teams future...

... unless their name is Dan Snyder.

bigbuc
03-09-2012, 11:49 PM
Think the Skins had to give up the 2014 1st rounder when the Browns got into the talks late. But like I said if RG3 is the guy the trade is well worth it. If not, the skins will go down as the worst team in the NFL. For right now... I like it for them.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-10-2012, 12:20 AM
As someone who created an RGIII draft thread in the middle of his freshman season him going to the Skins makes me feel like a proud poppa, lol.

D-Unit
03-10-2012, 12:45 AM
I admire the Skins for being aggressive. RG3 gives them excellent hope for the future.

703SKINS202
03-10-2012, 12:52 AM
Been pumped all night. Definitely shocked initially at what we gave up but franchise qb's are priceless and in the end I'm glad we got RG3 instead of reaching for Tannehill at 6.

In the end we are losing the opportunity to draft 3 future players that could be busts or real pieces. I think I'm ok with that knowing we have found our guy today if RG3 turns out to be everything we think he will.

I expect them to add at least V Jax or Colston and hopefully a lineman maybe Nicks?

We still have depth issues along the line and need a lot of help in the secondary and need to resign London now but I think this team has made a huge step in the right direction given the price.

Borat
03-10-2012, 01:32 AM
It's damn early to pull the trigger on this trade. Would suck big time if RG3 gets in an accident or something else horrific predraft.

Ness
03-10-2012, 01:35 AM
It's damn early to pull the trigger on this trade. Would suck big time if RG3 gets in an accident or something else horrific predraft.

Well I think it would suck anytime before the player steps onto the field.

niel89
03-10-2012, 01:43 AM
Any chance that something gets screwed up before the deal gets official on tuesday? Maybe some team makes an even more over the top offer?

The trade, first reported by FoxSports.com, cannot be signed off on, turned in and processed until the new league year starts Tuesday at 4 p.m. EST, but it is expected to become official then.
per ESPN

MidwayMonster31
03-10-2012, 01:52 AM
I'm also surprised that a deal got done this early. Washington might as well be in win now mode without first rounders for the next few years. They had a solid defense and the run game was decent when Hightower was healthy. They will still need to improve their offensive line and receivers, but that can be done.
Griffin is also a good fit for that system, since he can throw on the run and can also bait the defenders on rollouts. His short/mid range accuracy still needs refinement, but he will put the work in.
The Rams also got a nice haul. Hitting with these picks can instantly turn them into contenders.

Bengals78
03-10-2012, 02:00 AM
I think Brown is a full blown down syndrome ****** but god damn.
this is bad.

wicket
03-10-2012, 02:23 AM
so the rams could come out of this draft with blackmon, adams and lamar miller and still get 2 first rounder in the next two years, if they draft well and bradford picks up his game they are going to be insane

brat316
03-10-2012, 02:43 AM
seriously i can understand 2 first round picks, and even a second. But 3, 3 first rounders what the hell? and then a second rounder?

Razor
03-10-2012, 02:46 AM
seriously i can understand 2 first round picks, and even a second. But 3, 3 first rounders what the hell? and then a second rounder?

I agree. I would've thought that a deal similar to what the Giants gave up for Elisha (who was a better QB prospect imo) would've been a fair deal. This is just crazy. Snyder strikes again I guess lol.

brat316
03-10-2012, 02:48 AM
Even the Giants didn't give up this much

Razor
03-10-2012, 02:57 AM
Even the Giants didn't give up this much

Yeah... That's kinda my point.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 03:57 AM
I predicted this would happen last year. I saw the Redskins trading back loads and getting loads of rookies and i immediatley thought they were planning to give up a **** load of draft picks to move up and get Andrew Luck. Turns out Luck will be going to Indy but RG3 came along so they could stick to there plan. Smart move by the Redskins IMO, they have some young peices like Kerrigan, Hankerson, Helu, Williams, Orakpo so why not jump up and get Griffin?

Jvig43
03-10-2012, 04:16 AM
There is way too much fail going on in the nfl right now for me to take.

WCH
03-10-2012, 05:25 AM
I predicted this would happen last year. I saw the Redskins trading back loads and getting loads of rookies and i immediatley thought they were planning to give up a **** load of draft picks to move up and get Andrew Luck. Turns out Luck will be going to Indy but RG3 came along so they could stick to there plan. Smart move by the Redskins IMO, they have some young peices like Kerrigan, Hankerson, Helu, Williams, Orakpo so why not jump up and get Griffin?

It's not the move up for RGIII, it's what they're giving up to do it. I'm pretty sure that if they had called Ted Thompson and offered three firsts and a second for Aaron Rodgers, TT would have at least considered it for a few minutes.

That's an obscene amount to give up for an unproven player, and the Rams seem to be closing the deal before Washington has time to realize it. Washington is basically betting that he'll be no worse than a Top-7 QB.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 05:36 AM
I'm pretty sure that if they had called Ted Thompson and offered three firsts and a second for Aaron Rodgers, TT would have at least considered it for a few minutes.

WTF am i reading? Words cannot describe what i would do if we traded Rodgers for anything near that price. You're telling me the best quarterback in the league whos only around 28 years old would be traded for anything near that amount?

Ok so 3 first round picks... that would be #6 this year, #32 in 2013 and #32 in 2014. Im disgusted by that even being brought up.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-10-2012, 05:49 AM
It's not the move up for RGIII, it's what they're giving up to do it. ]/b]I'm pretty sure that if they had called Ted Thompson and offered three firsts and a second for Aaron Rodgers, TT would have at least considered it for a few minutes.[/b]

That's an obscene amount to give up for an unproven player, and the Rams seem to be closing the deal before Washington has time to realize it. Washington is basically betting that he'll be no worse than a Top-7 QB.

That's an obscene statement. And why do people keep saying they are trading 3 first rounders to get him, they are moving up in this years draft to get him by trading 2 first rounders and and 2nd round pick, a hefty price but hardly an obscene amount for a franchise QB for a franchise who's best QB in the last 25 years would probably be either Brad Johnson or an aging Mark Brunell. Want to know some of the starters we've had since the 90's? Try Gus Frerrotte, Rodney Peete, Cary Conklin, Tony Banks, Kent Graham, Tim Hasselbeck, Rob Johnson, Danny Weurfel, Heath Shuler, Jeff Hostletler, Jeff George, Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, Rex Grossman, and John Beck, and yeah that's only since the 90's, the considered GOOD QB's well at least for skins standards would be Brad Johnson, Mark Brunell for a few years, and Jason Campbell. So yes if you ask me what I think of this trade I say it's quite a price to pay and will set us back if he doesn't turn out great, but if he's at least a competent QB that we can build the team around than honestly he's worth it. The Skins can't get any worst so why not, you can't have a competitive team without a franchise QB which we have lacked since I was in the womb, so after years of neglect and not even attempting to draft mid round qb projects, I do appreciate this proactive approach. I do believe RG3 is a great fit with Shanny. Also don't forget that this first year under the new CBA with the new rookie scale, the Skins will be getting RGIII for four years at a contract less that probably the majority of starting NFL QB's, combine that with our massive free agent space, we have a chance to build something. Sure building through free agency in the past has never work for us, but that's because we have put all our chips on one or two guys, Shanny seems dedicated to find players which fit his system.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 06:03 AM
What STRIP said...

I love this trade for both teams. Im excited for Washington because they deserve to have a franchise QB and Griffin can definitely be that. In 5 years if is a top 5 QB and the Redskins are superbowl contenders every year no one will be missing those two first round picks.

As i said they already have a young talented team so i setiously doubt they miss the first round picks that much. Theres no guarantee the first rounders they could of picked in future years would be great players anyway. May aswell take the risk on a potential franchise QB over say a receiver and offensive tackle who will mean nothing if they dont have a QB.

WCH
03-10-2012, 06:09 AM
"...for a few minutes" was the key phrase, people.

I never said that he wouldn't then have a few laughs with Eliot Wolf and Shaun Herock, before calling the 'Skins back and telling them to screw themselves.

And people are calling it "three first round picks" because that's the opportunity cost.

To add perspective, if RGIII busts, this is worse than the John Hadl trade.

Beano
03-10-2012, 06:39 AM
Jackpot.

Now I just got to hope that the changes the Rams made to the FO have a positive effect on the drafting, because the last 10+ years have been pretty ******* awful.

villagewarrior
03-10-2012, 06:45 AM
Love this trade for both teams. RG3 will be a stud for the Skins and the Rams have some serious ammunition to bring home the meat. Win-win for both sides.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 07:09 AM
Yes if Griffin busts will be bad but what would happen if he doesnt bust? They'll be a great team. Thr risk is worth it.

Ness
03-10-2012, 07:11 AM
The Rams could potentially have 5 first round picks in the next three years right? And an additional second round pick this year? That's crazy. I wouldn't have made the trade. Hopefully it works out for Washington. If it fails it could set them back for a long time.

J-Mike88
03-10-2012, 07:41 AM
Good trade for both teams.
Smart trade for Washington in that they aren't gonna get stuck with another stiff at QB.
Super trade for the Rams, and they get rewarded for being horseschit last year when they were predicted by many to win that division.
When it goes bad, you might as well suck total ass like they and the Colts did.

Now, what are the Redskins gonna do at WR for RG3?

TitanHope
03-10-2012, 07:47 AM
Technically, the Skins are only trading the difference between the 2nd and 6th pick, a 2nd RD pick, a 2nd RD pick, and a 3rd RD pick. I know people don't like thinking this way, but the Skins will be playing RGIII and getting use out of him for two seasons before the Rams get 100% of their return. You have to account for that time. If I sold someone an item valued for $100 - $100 that I very well need - and they got to pay me some now, some next year, and the rest two years from now, then they'll have to pay me more than $100 because I've been going without while they got 100% of what they wanted at the time of transaction.

Obviously, there's a limit. No one will trade a 1st RD pick 7 years from now for a 7th RD pick this year, but it's still a factor you have to account for when talking about these kinds of trades.

It's still a lot to give up to move up only 4 spots, but it's for a QB. When you're talking about a QB, you throw conventional wisdom out the window. Sure, they could wait and try to get Barkley or Bray, if he declares, next year. But that's a risk, and if they miss, then there goes another year of no QB or they have to make a similar trade to this one. So they choose to make the trade this year for their guy. If they hit, then this trade no longer matters cause having a franchise QB is priceless.

And I'm stoked for Fisher. I'm excited to see what he can do with multiple building blocks to work with, and hopefully he has success.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 07:50 AM
Now, what are the Redskins gonna do at WR for RG3?

They have Hankerson and Moss. They'll probably go out and sign someone like Vincent Jackson, that would make a lot of sense.

Overall is a nice place for RG3 to go.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 07:59 AM
Annnnnd the NFC East arms race continues. Phase 1 of the arms race is complete, RGIII is a Redskin.

I can't wait, we'll see Mario Williams/Brandon Carr on the Cowboys, RGIII/Vincent Jackson/Manningham/Finnegan on the Redskins, Curtis Lofton/Randy Moss on the Eagles....


Aaaaaaand, the Giants big offseason move is going to be a longterm contract with our punter.

Typical NFC East offseason.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 08:02 AM
And btw, for those that are killing this trade, it'll be all worth it if RGIII is a franchise qb.

They essentially made the Eli Manning trade with 1 extra first round pick thrown in. Any Giants fan will tell you the Eli trade was worth it and some. In fact, we stole Eli, we underpaid for him.

Ask Bear fans if they overpaid for Cutler. They're very happy with finally having a franchise qb after 70 years.

So if RGIII becomes the type of franchise qb the Redskins need, why not give up the ransom for him?

I love the draft as much as the next guy, but you don't NEED 1st round picks to build a team. As long as you draft well from rounds 2 and beyond you'll be fine.

Bellichick trades out of the first round every year. They're doing just fine. And with the money you save without having 1st round draft picks, you can allocate that money in FA. So it's not the end of the world.

Is it the way I would prefer to build a team? No. But when you're as desperate as the Redskins for a qb, and if you feel this is the guy that can finally give you credibility at the position, then you go for it.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 08:03 AM
Annnnnd the NFC East arms race continues. Phase 1 of the arms race is complete, RGIII is a Redskin.

I can't wait, we'll see Mario Williams/Brandon Carr on the Cowboys, RGIII/Vincent Jackson/Manningham/Finnegan on the Redskins, Curtis Lofton/Randy Moss on the Eagles....


Aaaaaaand, the Giants big offseason move is going to be a longterm contract with our punter.

Typical NFC East offseason.

The division is just soooo tight. Right now i'd say its Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys but that could change if Griffin plays to Newtons standards or if the Cowboys make some good signings.

It wouldnt shock me if the Giants came last in the division but it wouldnt suprise me if the came first. And its the same with every team in the NFC East.

fear the elf
03-10-2012, 08:04 AM
They have Hankerson and Moss. They'll probably go out and sign someone like Vincent Jackson, that would make a lot of sense.

Overall is a nice place for RG3 to go.

I like how every team with money is going to go out and sign V-Jax and Nicks and probably Mario and they'll be a contender. :sarcastic:

As for the trade, it's too rich for my blood. If we are talking about a proven player like Cutler, it's absolutely worth it, but the chances RG3 busts out of the league are still pretty high, even with his strong character and intelligence. I wouldn't have been willing to take that kind of gamble.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 08:06 AM
And btw, for those that are killing this trade, it'll be all worth it if RGIII is a franchise qb.

They essentially made the Eli Manning trade with 1 extra first round pick thrown in. Any Giants fan will tell you the Eli trade was worth it and some. In fact, we stole Eli, we underpaid for him.

Ask Bear fans if they overpaid for Cutler. They're very happy with finally having a franchise qb after 70 years.

So if RGIII becomes the type of franchise qb the Redskins need, why not give up the ransom for him?

I love the draft as much as the next guy, but you don't NEED 1st round picks to build a team. As long as you draft well from rounds 2 and beyond you'll be fine.

Bellichick trades out of the first round every year. They're doing just fine. And with the money you save without having 1st round draft picks, you can allocate that money in FA. So it's not the end of the world.

Is it the way I would prefer to build a team? No. But when you're as desperate as the Redskins for a qb, and if you feel this is the guy that can finally give you credibility at the position, then you go for it.

You just have a knack of saying what i want to say and just saying it better.

Jimmy
03-10-2012, 08:12 AM
And btw, for those that are killing this trade, it'll be all worth it if RGIII is a franchise qb.

They essentially made the Eli Manning trade with 1 extra first round pick thrown in. Any Giants fan will tell you the Eli trade was worth it and some. In fact, we stole Eli, we underpaid for him.

Ask Bear fans if they overpaid for Cutler. They're very happy with finally having a franchise qb after 70 years.

So if RGIII becomes the type of franchise qb the Redskins need, why not give up the ransom for him?

I love the draft as much as the next guy, but you don't NEED 1st round picks to build a team. As long as you draft well from rounds 2 and beyond you'll be fine.

Bellichick trades out of the first round every year. They're doing just fine. And with the money you save without having 1st round draft picks, you can allocate that money in FA. So it's not the end of the world.

Is it the way I would prefer to build a team? No. But when you're as desperate as the Redskins for a qb, and if you feel this is the guy that can finally give you credibility at the position, then you go for it.

welcome to my buddy list

I_C_DeadPeople
03-10-2012, 08:39 AM
Isn't this what we expected? Losing 2 firsts and a second isn't that bad IMO. Worth a shot

Agreed. And it is a better trade than what the Raiders gave up for the 30 year old disgruntled Carson Palmer. The Raiders still keep the "I got raped in the trade" trophy.

The_Dude
03-10-2012, 08:41 AM
glad that the speculation is over, now the Vikings just have to not screw it up by passing on Kalil.

Those mother ******* are going to screw this up some how, i just know it.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 08:43 AM
Agreed. And it is a better trade than what the Raiders gave up for the 30 year old disgruntled Carson Palmer. The Raiders still keep the "I got raped in the trade" trophy.

:lol:

Carson Palmer for a first and a second or Griffin for two first and a second? Touch choice...

That just brings this trade into perspective.

Splat
03-10-2012, 09:02 AM
The best part is this "should" stop the local KC radio from talking about RG3 to KC.

Smooth Criminal
03-10-2012, 09:42 AM
Browns fans I was with last night wanted to cry when they heard this. They have no faith in getting Manning or Flynn to that city.

Huge risk for the Redskins, but I think it's worth it. If he turns out to be their franchise QB he's definitely worth it, and makes the NFC East just that much more fun.

Jughead10
03-10-2012, 09:43 AM
What if he doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB? I'm still surprised there seems to be so much certainty that RGIII will be great. It just always worries me when QBs fly up the boards like he did. Rarely do those guys ever end up being the goods. Was anyone talking about RGIII before the season began.

Wootylicous
03-10-2012, 09:49 AM
Holy crap Snyder. You definitly have balls to pull out a trade like this.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-10-2012, 09:53 AM
Did the Skins get raped? Yeah. Is RGIII worth getting raped? Yeah. I like the deal for both teams. Garcon/Colston/VJax about to cash in.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-10-2012, 09:54 AM
Annnnnd the NFC East arms race continues. Phase 1 of the arms race is complete, RGIII is a Redskin.

I can't wait, we'll see Mario Williams/Brandon Carr on the Cowboys, RGIII/Vincent Jackson/Manningham/Finnegan on the Redskins, Curtis Lofton/Randy Moss on the Eagles....


Aaaaaaand, the Giants big offseason move is going to be a longterm contract with our punter.

Typical NFC East offseason.


If I see you complain about the Offseason Super Bowl one more time after your recent successes, I'm going to slap you. It's not fair.

Giantsfan1080
03-10-2012, 09:58 AM
I agree. You sound spoiled BBD. :)

NY+Giants=NYG
03-10-2012, 10:00 AM
I like this move! Franchise QBs are a premium, if you have a chance to get one, then ante up and go all in! That's what they did and I think it's a very ballsy move. I like that. Now having said that, I hope he is an epic failure and bust for DC.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 10:16 AM
What if he doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB? I'm still surprised there seems to be so much certainty that RGIII will be great. It just always worries me when QBs fly up the boards like he did. Rarely do those guys ever end up being the goods. Was anyone talking about RGIII before the season began.

Again, what if he doesnt bust? The Redskins are a Superbowl contender every year. It is well worth the risk.

Jughead10
03-10-2012, 10:19 AM
Again, what if he doesnt bust? The Redskins are a Superbowl contender every year. It is well worth the risk.

To me it just smells of desperation and despair. I would also be worried that it seems like only the Browns and Redskins were fighting over him. It's like two starving homeless people fighting for a scrap of food. I have one friends who is a huge Redskins fan and he didn't want Manning because he said they need so much more than a QB. Well if that's the case, the Skins just screwed themselves over.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:19 AM
Please stop saying the Redskins only gave up 2 firsts. It makes you seem like you don't know how to count.

They gave up 4 picks. They got 1 pick back.

When the Bears traded for Cutler, they gave up 3 picks and 1 player, and got 1 pick and 1 player back. The things they got back doesn't mean they gave less. It just means they got stuff back. I mean, jesus....

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:20 AM
Again, what if he doesnt bust? The Redskins are a Superbowl contender every year. It is well worth the risk.
Der....what? Lots of teams have great quarterbacks and aren't Superbowl contenders, unless you're counting like, half the league in that category.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 10:21 AM
Please stop saying the Redskins only gave up 2 firsts. It makes you seem like you don't know how to count.

They gave up 4 picks. They got 1 pick back.

When the Bears traded for Cutler, they gave up 3 picks and 1 player, and got 1 pick and 1 player back. The things they got back doesn't mean they gave less. It just means they got stuff back. I mean, jesus....

The Redskins gave up 3 first round picks and got 1 in return.

3 -1 = 2 if im not mistaken.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:22 AM
The Redskins gave up 3 first round picks and got 1 in return.

3 -1 = 2 if im not mistaken.
Uh huh....so they gave up 3 first round picks. It's in your own ******* example.

If I give you three apples and you give me one, I don't give you two apples; I give you three mother ******* apples. I net lose two apples. It's not the same thing.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 10:22 AM
Der....what? Lots of teams have great quarterbacks and aren't Superbowl contenders, unless you're counting like, half the league in that category.

Which teams have elite quarterbacks and arent superbowl contenders?

Rodgers -yes
Brees - yes
Brady - yes
Mannning - yes
Manning - yes
Stafford - yes

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 10:24 AM
Uh huh....so they gave up 3 first round picks. It's in your own ******* example.

So they lost 2 first round picks.

They could give up 11 first round picks but it wouldnt make a difference. Its what you get in return that defines how good the trade was.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:24 AM
Which teams have elite quarterbacks and arent superbowl contenders?

Rodgers -yes
Brees - yes
Brady - yes
Mannning - yes
Manning - yes
Stafford - yes
Ok fair enough. If you think he'll be a top 7 quarterback.

Jughead10
03-10-2012, 10:24 AM
I'm curious to see what the Browns were potentially offering. Because there basically was some sort of precedent set with Eli's trade and this was way over value, for what seems like a lesser prospect at the time.

Giantsfan1080
03-10-2012, 10:26 AM
It's not fair to compare this to the Eli trade because the top picks have way more value now because the contracts aren't as outrageous.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:27 AM
So they lost 2 first round picks.

They could give up 11 first round picks but it wouldnt make a difference. Its what you get in return that defines who good the trade was.
I....WHAT?!?!?

A trade isn't about what you lose. It's a swap. It's a comparison of relative value. You can't just act like one of those picks doesn't exist. The Redskins had the chance to draft 4 players with high picks, and traded all four of those chances to draft 1 player. If that 1 player is better than all 4 of those collectively, it's a good trade. If he's not, they gave up too much.

But that's the only way to look at this. You can't act like if they didn't make the trade, they wouldn't have also had a chance to draft someone else.

Jughead10
03-10-2012, 10:27 AM
It's not fair to compare this to the Eli trade because the top picks have way more value now because the contracts aren't as outrageous.

I don't think that's really the case for a QB. Teams never really tried to get out of #1 with a QB on the board. It was always guys in 3-5 trying to trade down. Regardless moving up from 4 to 1 is suppose to be greater value than 6 to 2.

But the main difference would be if the Browns were a serious bidder. No one else was really trying to trade up for Eli.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:29 AM
:lol:

Carson Palmer for a first and a second or Griffin for two first and a second? Touch choice...

That just brings this trade into perspective.
Perfect example (which is wrong).

The Raiders gave up 2 picks and got one player back in return.

The Redskins gave up 4 picks and got one pick in return.

By your example, it seems like the Redskins only gave up 3 picks. Which is wrong.

How the **** is this so hard to understand.......

H.O.O.D
03-10-2012, 10:29 AM
I don't wanna jinx anything but uhhh what if sometime after the deal is made official by the league RG3 tears and ACL or suffers some other injury that puts him out for the year ? What do you do then Washington ?

NY+Giants=NYG
03-10-2012, 10:32 AM
I don't think that's really the case for a QB. Teams never really tried to get out of #1 with a QB on the board. It was always guys in 3-5 trying to trade down. Regardless moving up from 4 to 1 is suppose to be greater value than 6 to 2.

But the main difference would be if the Browns were a serious bidder. No one else was really trying to trade up for Eli.

Well the teams had different QBs as their top ones. After Luck and RG3 it drops. In our draft, we had Eli, Rivers, Ben, and then Loseman, and Matt S. So there were Qbs. Manning, Rivers, and Ben were ones that were very close depending on what team you talked to the list was different. In this draft Luck is the clear cut # 1, best QB.

TitleTown088
03-10-2012, 10:33 AM
In comparison, the Bears got Jay Cutler for 2 firsts and a 3rd. And he was already a really good quarterback. And those 1st rounders weren't in the top 10.

Haha. That's a good one. :)

JRTPlaya21
03-10-2012, 10:33 AM
I know people who have been talking about RG3 on these boards for like 3 years now. If he pans out then awesome & if he bust it's not like any of you guys are going to care. Being a Redskins fan is very tough so to actually see them do something to attempt to move forward is awesome. So just let us enjoy it for a bit before everybody comes out of left field telling us how stupid & idiotic our franchise is. And can we show a bit more maturity and not wish torn ligaments on the kid......honestly.

vidae
03-10-2012, 10:34 AM
I don't wanna jinx anything but uhhh what if sometime after the deal is made official by the league RG3 tears and ACL or suffers some other injury that puts him out for the year ? What do you do then Washington ?

Suck like usual?

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 10:35 AM
I....WHAT?!?!?

A trade isn't about what you lose. It's a swap. It's a comparison of relative value. You can't just act like one of those picks doesn't exist. The Redskins had the chance to draft 4 players with high picks, and traded all four of those chances to draft 1 player. If that 1 player is better than all 4 of those collectively, it's a good trade. If he's not, they gave up too much.

But that's the only way to look at this. You can't act like if they didn't make the trade, they wouldn't have also had a chance to draft someone else.

You're confusing me!

Well anyway, IMO it is a good trade because the 4 players they could of picked wont come close to giving the same sort of impact Robert Griffin will.

Jughead10
03-10-2012, 10:37 AM
You're confusing me!

Well anyway, IMO it is a good trade because the 4 players they could of picked wont come close to giving the same sort of impact Robert Griffin will.

Maybe, maybe not. You also have 3 chances in the first round over three years. Odds are even the Redskins can luck into a good player 1 out of 3 times.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:38 AM
My guess is that they would still draft RGIII with a torn ACL. Or just fold up shop and cease to exist as a franchise.

Sloopy
03-10-2012, 10:42 AM
Awesome for the Skins,

The price makes me wonder what other teams were offering. At least I hope that Cleveland was offering something involving their two first rounders and maybe a 2nd next year if the skins gave up three 1sts and a 2nd.

This is good news for Flynn, teams have shown their hands early in a desperate attempt to grab RGIII, Manning will likely be the next domino to fall and Flynn will have a lot more leverage when he goes into contract negotiations.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 10:44 AM
Maybe, maybe not. You also have 3 chances in the first round over three years. Odds are even the Redskins can luck into a good player 1 out of 3 times.

But they need a quarterback, not any other postion.

Say they get and elite receiver, very good cornerback and good offensive lineman. That would probably seen as a good 3 year span of first round picks. Those players would mean nothing if they dont have a QB.

TitleTown088
03-10-2012, 10:46 AM
Which teams have elite quarterbacks and arent superbowl contenders?

Rodgers -yes
Brees - yes
Brady - yes
Mannning - yes
Manning - yes
Stafford - yes



So the Giants, and ummm..?

Jughead10
03-10-2012, 10:47 AM
But they need a quarterback, not any other postion.

Say they get and elite receiver, very good cornerback and good offensive lineman. That would probably seen as a good 3 year span of first round picks. Those players would mean nothing if they dont have a QB.

I agree. I just don't love RGIII as much as everyone else. Every year we see teams reach for QBs because they are desperate. Reaching by overdrafting is one thing. Give up a ton of picks and overdrafting is another. Recently the smartest teams in QB dealings has been Cinci, shocker. They showed patience and it worked out in a big way.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 10:47 AM
I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.

Giantsfan1080
03-10-2012, 10:47 AM
Yeah but how are they going to get those players now? It's not like this team knows how to draft well in the later rounds.

OSUGiants17
03-10-2012, 10:48 AM
I hope to see this never come true
https://twitpic.com/show/large/8uh5kk

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 10:48 AM
What if he doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB? I'm still surprised there seems to be so much certainty that RGIII will be great. It just always worries me when QBs fly up the boards like he did. Rarely do those guys ever end up being the goods. Was anyone talking about RGIII before the season began.

You can say that about any qb that's drafted though. If you believe in him, you gotta roll the dice. The Skins think he's going to be a franchise qb so they made a move for him.

Will he become one? Who knows. But they feel he will, so they went for it.

If I see you complain about the Offseason Super Bowl one more time after your recent successes, I'm going to slap you. It's not fair.

Sorry :(

OSUGiants17
03-10-2012, 10:50 AM
I for one, cannot wait to see RG3 vs Vick for the next few years. THAT will be fun to watch

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 10:50 AM
I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.

Hmmm, I think that's a bit unfair to Stafford. He's a great qb. Is he top 5 like I'm seeing on this board by some posters? No way. That's jumping the gun. I think he has potential to be top 5, but he's not there yet.

He's in the 2nd tier of qbs to me. I'd say him and Rivers are the 2 best ringless qbs in the league. Cutler could throw his hat in that mix as well.

Rabscuttle
03-10-2012, 10:52 AM
Great trade for the Rams if they don't blow the picks and Bradford doesn't stay mediocre...

Washington paid a lot and it is still great if Griffin becomes a top guy and they can fill some holes in free agency with a better approach at getting value than in the past.

Cleveland will soon be entering their fifth decade of rebuilding.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 10:53 AM
I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.

This has to be the most ridiculous statement I hav ever heard coming from you. Gee, Johnson and Kitna = zero wins, yeah 0-16 and he threw for over 4000 yards.

Gee, Stafford threw 24 TD's to other receivers besides Johnson but he isn't elite. I tell you I cannot stop laughing.:biggrin: :biggrin:

OSUGiants17
03-10-2012, 10:54 AM
This has to be the most ridiculous statement I hav ever heard coming from you. Gee, Johnson and Kitna = zero wins, yeah 0-16 and he threw for over 4000 yards.

Gee, Stafford threw 24 TD's to other receivers besides Johnson but he isn't elite. I tell you I cannot stop laughing.:biggrin: :biggrin:

Typical jealous Bears fan

Jughead10
03-10-2012, 10:57 AM
I think Stafford could be better too. I'm not sure how serious and dedicated he is. He certainly could be in much better shape.

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 10:57 AM
I would also argue that Stafford isn't an elite QB, and that the only reason the Lions are a SB contender (well, I don't think they are, but could see the argument), is because Stafford has Calvin Johnson. Take out Calvin Johnson and Stafford is much closer to the Joe Flacco range of quarterbacks.

And you can't get RGIII a Calvin Johnson, because you don't have any picks.

So theres not another 6'5 WR who runs a sub 4.5 40 with leaping ability who has had 3 1000 yard seasons on the market?

http://img.fannation.com/upload/truth_rumor/photo_upload/223/230/full/Vincent-Jackson.jpg

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:00 AM
I for one, cannot wait to see RG3 vs Vick for the next few years. THAT will be fun to watch

Holy ****! I hadnt prepared myself for that. **** me that will be epic!

TitleTown088
03-10-2012, 11:00 AM
Typical jealous Bears fan

Meh, not really. Classifying a QB as elite implies he's at least top 5 (more likely top 3 in my eyes). Would you put Stafford top 3-5 range already?

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:01 AM
So the Giants, and ummm..?

Whichever team he goes to lol.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 11:02 AM
So theres not another 6'5 WR who runs a sub 4.5 40 with leaping ability who has had 3 1000 yard seasons on the market?

http://img.fannation.com/upload/truth_rumor/photo_upload/223/230/full/Vincent-Jackson.jpg
You're comparing Vincent Jackson to Calvin Johnson?

Yeah....


Anyway, if any of you think the Lions are contenders without Calvin Johnson you're crazy. The fact that iamcanadian disagrees with me only confirms that I'm right. That guy is clinically insane.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 11:04 AM
Meh, not really. Classifying a QB as elite implies he's at least top 5 (more likely top 3 in my eyes). Would you put Stafford top 3-5 range already?

Yes, and he is only going to get better. 40 TD's in his first full year of playing. He really has it all.

Rabscuttle
03-10-2012, 11:04 AM
You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

TitleTown088
03-10-2012, 11:05 AM
Yes, and he is only going to get better. 40 TD's in his first full year of playing. He really has it all.


Oh, that is a fact?

I'll make the argument that he's only going to get hurt, and I'd have more evidence to support my position than you do. ;)

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 11:06 AM
You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.
Sure, but this operates under the assumption that RGIII will be Brees and Rodgers good. That's my whole point. When you break down the number of QBs who can have an elite offense without an elite WR, you're basically left with 4-5 guys. Stafford is not in that class.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:06 AM
You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

^^^^^^^

Jennings - 2nd
Nelson - 2nd
Cobb - 2nd
Driver - 7th
Jones - 3rd

Best group of receivers right there.

OSUGiants17
03-10-2012, 11:07 AM
Yes, and he is only going to get better. 40 TD's in his first full year of playing. He really has it all.

Time to make a bold statement, Stafford-Calvin will break Brady-Moss' record of 50-23 TDs respectively before they finish their careers.

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 11:07 AM
You're comparing Vincent Jackson to Calvin Johnson?

Yeah....


Anyway, if any of you think the Lions are contenders without Calvin Johnson you're crazy. The fact that iamcanadian disagrees with me only confirms that I'm right. That guy is clinically insane.

Statistically- Yes. Size- Yes Both run sub 4.4s- Yes Is there going to be another Calvin Johnson- Not for awhile

Am I wrong by comparing them from the three things I just said- No.

You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

Good theology.

bearsfan_51
03-10-2012, 11:08 AM
^^^^^^^

Jennings - 2nd
Nelson - 2nd
Cobb - 2nd
Driver - 7th
Jones - 3rd

Best group of receivers right there.
So you're going to fill the rest of your roster with 4th-7th round picks?

TitleTown088
03-10-2012, 11:09 AM
You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

2nd-3rd is more appropriate

Greg jennings, 2nd round
James Jones, 3rd round
Jordy Nelson, 2nd round
Randall Cobb, 2nd round
Jermichael Finley, 3rd round

Robert Macheam, 1st round
Jimmy Graham, 3rd round.
Devery Henderson, 2nd round round

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:10 AM
So you're going to fill the rest of your roster with 4th-7th round picks?

They already have a lot of young talent. Helu, Trent Williams, Hankerson, Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo. Its not like this team has no talent. Basically the only thing they were missing was a QB.

OSUGiants17
03-10-2012, 11:13 AM
They already have a lot of young talent. Helu, Trent Williams, Hankerson, Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo. Its not like this team has no talent. Basically the only thing they were missing was a QB.

And they have to money to bring in V-Jax or Colston and maybe more. Their D has a real solid front 7, all they need is some WRs and DBs.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 11:13 AM
Oh, that is a fact?

I'll make the argument that he's only going to get hurt, and I'd have more evidence to support my position than you do. ;)

Really hard to argue with a person who can tell th future, you must be a really rich bird with all that knowledge.:sarcastic:

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:18 AM
And they have to money to bring in V-Jax or Colston and maybe more. Their D has a real solid front 7, all they need is some WRs and DBs.

Exactly!

Say the Redskins bring in Vincent Jackson and Brandon Carr. Even with Griffin only in his rookie year this team would be capable of making the playoffs. Then when Griffin grows they'll be even better.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 11:18 AM
They already have a lot of young talent. Helu, Trent Williams, Hankerson, Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo. Its not like this team has no talent. Basically the only thing they were missing was a QB.

Solid point, Browns fan here who hates the Redskins for obvious reasons but you are right on, Washington is now on the cusp to be a real contender for the Super Bowl within 3 years as Griffin develops.

SolidGold
03-10-2012, 11:21 AM
Griffin will now be held to a higher standard than Luck. The Redskins sold the farm to get this guy and are banking everything on a rookie QB to develop quickly.

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 11:23 AM
And they have to money to bring in V-Jax or Colston and maybe more. Their D has a real solid front 7, all they need is some WRs and DBs.

Exactly.

2nd-3rd is more appropriate

Greg jennings, 2nd round
James Jones, 3rd round
Jordy Nelson, 2nd round
Randall Cobb, 2nd round
Jermichael Finley, 3rd round

Robert Macheam, 1st round
Jimmy Graham, 3rd round.
Devery Henderson, 2nd round round

Colston- 7th rounder

Griffin will now be held to a higher standard than Luck. The Redskins sold the farm to get this guy and are banking everything on a rookie QB to develop quickly.

Higher standard then the team releasing the face of the franchise to get you?

SolidGold
03-10-2012, 11:27 AM
Exactly.



Colston- 7th rounder



Higher standard then the team releasing the face of the franchise to get you?

Yup...the Skins sold the farm for Griffin. They should be expected to compete right away with a rookie QB at the helm. Indy is in full rebuilding mode so Luck will not have nearly the pressure Griffin will face in DC.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Both of them will be expected to perform, no doubt. But IMO Luck will have more pressure on him.

He's seen as the better quarterback so he needs to perform like the better quarterback.

TitleTown088
03-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Colston- 7th rounder



Yes... So that's 1 (two if you count Driver who really doesn't produce anymore). The Saints and Packers WRs are heavily skewed toward the higher round picks, and that was the point.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:30 AM
Yes... So that's 1 (two if you count Driver who really doesn't produce anymore). The Saints and Packers WRs are heavily skewed toward the higher round picks, and that was the point.

He's 37 years old...

:sarcastic:

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 11:31 AM
Both of them will be expected to perform, no doubt. But IMO Luck will have more pressure on him.

He's seen as the better quarterback so he needs to perform like the better quarterback.

Pretty hard to do with no OL, no WR's and no TE plus zero on defense. He'll be far more concerned with surviving physically from possible injuries than worrying about the pressure to win.

Rabscuttle
03-10-2012, 11:32 AM
Sure, but this operates under the assumption that RGIII will be Brees and Rodgers good. That's my whole point. When you break down the number of QBs who can have an elite offense without an elite WR, you're basically left with 4-5 guys. Stafford is not in that class.

Well, that's the gamble that the Redskins are taking isn't it? Either Griffin or Luck being that good. They couldn't stand pat and probably had little chance of bringing in Flynn or Manning. The Rat is pretty good with quarterbacks that have talent to work with and I don't believe you have to have great receivers to have a great offense. Guys that make the right reads, get some separation, and catch the damn ball do wonders. First downs and Red Zone production do wonders.

diabsoule
03-10-2012, 11:32 AM
2nd-3rd is more appropriate

Greg jennings, 2nd round
James Jones, 3rd round
Jordy Nelson, 2nd round
Randall Cobb, 2nd round
Jermichael Finley, 3rd round

Robert Macheam, 1st round
Jimmy Graham, 3rd round.
Devery Henderson, 2nd round round

Marques Colston - 7th rd
Lance Moore - UDFA
Pierre Thomas (RB, I know) - UDFA

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 11:33 AM
Yes... So that's 1 (two if you count Driver who really doesn't produce anymore). The Saints and Packers WRs are heavily skewed toward the higher round picks, and that was the point.

Our leading WR's the past 4ish years were Colston and Moore.... Colston 7th rounder and Moore UDFA.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:34 AM
Pretty hard to do with no OL, no WR's and no TE plus zero on defense. He'll be far more concerned with surviving physically from possible injuries than worrying about the pressure to win.

People wont see it that way though.

The Redskins gave up that much picks becasue they wanted Griffin but if Luck was available im sure they would pick him over Grifin.

There might be more immediate pressure on Griffin but over time if Luck is seen as the second best QB from this class he wont be seen as a complete success.

Griffin is expected to be the second best QB from this class.

SolidGold
03-10-2012, 11:36 AM
Both of them will be expected to perform, no doubt. But IMO Luck will have more pressure on him.

He's seen as the better quarterback so he needs to perform like the better quarterback.

Have to disagree... Luck will have pressure on him as he gets further along in his career but the Colts have indicated they are in complete rebuilding mode and that will give Luck some time.

The Redskins on the other hand are gambling that Griffin can come in and make an instant impact to get them to the playoffs in year one. They gave up two first rounders and a 2nd rounder for Griffin. The Skins are in win now mode so they need to go crazy in free agency, they do have some pieces in place but need some o-line help and a WR or two as well as secondary help.

TitleTown088
03-10-2012, 11:37 AM
Our leading WR's the past 4ish years were Colston and Moore.... Colston 7th rounder and Moore UDFA.
This is rather obvious. However, the point remains that that is two ( 3 counting) late round picks vs 8 high picks on those two teams. Its not like they're scrubs.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-10-2012, 11:38 AM
Exactly.



Colston- 7th rounder



Higher standard then the team releasing the face of the franchise to get you?

Why not? The Colts play in indy while the redskins play in a big media market in a division where there are very good QBs. So yeah I think he will be held to a higher standard playing in DC than Luck in Indy.

Rabscuttle
03-10-2012, 11:44 AM
Something I should have emphasized more is the Redskins' need to get more value in free agency. That swing for the fences approach can work when a team is close but won't work if catastrophic defencies are being ignored.

I'm not familiar with the Redskins' position coaches, but they are key to get more out of the guys they have if they aren't having premium talent dropped in their laps.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 11:45 AM
People wont see it that way though.

The Redskins gave up that much picks becasue they wanted Griffin but if Luck was available im sure they would pick him over Grifin.

There might be more immediate pressure on Griffin but over time if Luck is seen as the second best QB from this class he wont be seen as a complete success.

Griffin is expected to be the second best QB from this class.

Pretty well everybody on NFL Network said Griffin would end up on a far better team than Luck and you add in the cost of acquriing him and Griffin will have zero excuses for not succeeding. He will be under immense pressure to succeed while Indy, out there in the hicks will hardly be noticed esecially playing for a terrible team.

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 11:46 AM
Have to disagree... Luck will have pressure on him as he gets further along in his career but the Colts have indicated they are in complete rebuilding mode and that will give Luck some time.

The Redskins on the other hand are gambling that Griffin can come in and make an instant impact to get them to the playoffs in year one. They gave up two first rounders and a 2nd rounder for Griffin. The Skins are in win now mode so they need to go crazy in free agency, they do have some pieces in place but need some o-line help and a WR or two as well as secondary help.

Very good points.

If you ask them, im sure it would be different though. Id rather be drafted from using 3 first round picks then trying to replace Peyton Manning.

This is rather obvious. However, the point remains that that is two ( 3 counting) late round picks vs 8 high picks on those two teams. Its not like they're scrubs.

Not saying they are, Im just stating the fact our two best WRs was 7th and UDFA.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 11:50 AM
Pretty well everybody on NFL Network said Griffin would end up on a far better team than Luck and you add in the cost of acquriing him and Griffin will have zero excuses for not succeeding. He will be under immense pressure to succeed while Indy, out there in the hicks will hardly be noticed esecially playing for a terrible team.

So...

Luck will be picked first therefore the Colts will want him to be better than Robert Griffin, if he isn't he will have a **** load of pressure on him and people will be saying the Colts should of picked Griffin. Also he has to follow Peyton Manning which is no easy task.

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 11:52 AM
Pretty well everybody on NFL Network said Griffin would end up on a far better team than Luck and you add in the cost of acquriing him and Griffin will have zero excuses for not succeeding. He will be under immense pressure to succeed while Indy, out there in the hicks will hardly be noticed esecially playing for a terrible team.

Well when you go to the team with the worse record in the NFL, of course the 2nd QB will go to a better team...

NorrinRadd12
03-28-2012, 12:41 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/28/report-browns-inquired-about-sam-bradford/

Assuming they could have gotten the #4 overall pick for Bradford... RGIII to Blackmon for the next 10 years would have been ridiculous. I think the Rams blew a golden opportunity.

rockio42
03-28-2012, 02:15 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/28/report-browns-inquired-about-sam-bradford/

Assuming they could have gotten the #4 overall pick for Bradford... RGIII to Blackmon for the next 10 years would have been ridiculous. I think the Rams blew a golden opportunity.

Bradford to Blackmon sounds just as good to me.

tjsunstein
03-28-2012, 03:40 PM
I would have pulled that trigger.

SuperPacker
03-28-2012, 03:41 PM
Bradford to Blackmon sounds just as good to me.

RG3 > Bradford, everyday of the week!

tjsunstein
03-28-2012, 03:56 PM
A top 5 pick for Bradford would have been robbery.

49erNation85
03-28-2012, 05:03 PM
Just watch the Colts take Griffin instead and down fall the draft.

Monomach
03-28-2012, 05:04 PM
Bradford to Blackmon sounds just as good to me.

I've been saying it for three years, and it's still early enough in his career for me to look like a crazy person, but Sam Bradford is just not going to be a quality NFL quarterback.

Rosebud
03-28-2012, 05:09 PM
Sam Bradford >= RGIII
Sam Bradford + 2 first round picks + 1 2nd round pick >>>>>>> RGIII

Let's not get too caught up in our new shiny thing.

Borat
04-19-2012, 03:51 PM
Cool story bro.

2 Live Crew
09-10-2012, 09:45 AM
Bump. Condolences to Browns fans.

LonghornsLegend
09-10-2012, 10:18 AM
Sam Bradford + 2 first round picks + 1 2nd round pick >>>>>>> RGIII

This isn't an overreaction but I'd easily give up Bradford + those picks for RGIII. What good are a bunch of picks when you don't have a QB? It'll be 2014 and we'll all still be making excuses for why Sam Bradford hasn't done a single thing in his career and knowing the Rams they'll draft a few more Tackles who don't amount to anything.

keylime_5
09-10-2012, 10:18 AM
Bump. Condolences to Browns fans.

:/ well we tried. i think.

Rosebud
09-10-2012, 10:22 AM
This isn't an overreaction but I'd easily give up Bradford + those picks for RGIII. What good are a bunch of picks when you don't have a QB? It'll be 2014 and we'll all still be making excuses for why Sam Bradford hasn't done a single thing in his career and knowing the Rams they'll draft a few more Tackles who don't amount to anything.

It's been one game. I still think Bradford will be as good as RG3, if not better. Although if he gets a few more new OCs over the next few years that may not come ot pass.

LonghornsLegend
09-10-2012, 10:46 AM
It's been one game. I still think Bradford will be as good as RG3, if not better. Although if he gets a few more new OCs over the next few years that may not come ot pass.

I said that before the draft, and in regards to Bradford it hasn't been one game. It's been a re-occuring theme of average play sprinkled in with a solid game a few times a year, and everytime it's a terrible performance it's everybody else's fault but his. Maybe in 2017 when the Rams get 5 lineman, two legit WR's, an elite pass catching TE, a competent OC and a top 10 defense though, Bradford will really show people!

D-Unit
09-10-2012, 02:03 PM
It's been one game. I still think Bradford will be as good as RG3, if not better. Although if he gets a few more new OCs over the next few years that may not come ot pass.
I don't think Bradford will ever be as good as RG3.

bearsfan_51
09-10-2012, 02:14 PM
I don't think Bradford will ever be as good as RG3.
No, but Bradford + all those draft picks might be. It was never a question of Bradford vs. RGIII and people should stop looking at it like that.

Complex
09-10-2012, 02:31 PM
I said that before the draft, and in regards to Bradford it hasn't been one game. It's been a re-occuring theme of average play sprinkled in with a solid game a few times a year, and everytime it's a terrible performance it's everybody else's fault but his. Maybe in 2017 when the Rams get 5 lineman, two legit WR's, an elite pass catching TE, a competent OC and a top 10 defense though, Bradford will really show people!

What about a 1 legit weapon and a decent O-line? His best weapon has been either Mike Clayton or Danny Amendola (He was hurt when Lloyd was around). His best lineman has been Roger Saffold his rookie year.Name a QB that has been successful with that kind of supporting cast during the beginning of their career.

SuperPacker
09-10-2012, 02:35 PM
Meh, is Bradford and all those picks going to take the Rams to a Superbowl? It looks unlikely. Could Griffin have took them there? Quite possibly.

It's been one game though, so I don't wanna go all gpngc on everyone.

soybean
09-10-2012, 02:37 PM
Meh, is Bradford and all those picks going to take the Rams to a Superbowl? It looks unlikely. Could Griffin have took them there? Quite possibly.

It's been one game though, so I don't wanna go all gpngc on everyone.

Bradford had an amazing rookie season as well. The playcalling was extremely simplified for Griffin the first game and the Redskins team he walked into was already a pretty good team.

I will say though, bringing him up slowly as such they're doing is a pretty good idea though.

SuperPacker
09-10-2012, 02:42 PM
Bradford had an amazing rookie season as well. The playcalling was extremely simplified for Griffin the first game and the Redskins team he walked into was already a pretty good team.

I will say though, bringing him up slowly as such they're doing is a pretty good idea though.

Many players have had good seasons and not kept it up. But yeah.

But then even if Griffin doesn't turn out loads better than Bradford, the importance of the QB position is so great that the difference in those two could be just as important as the extra picks the Rams are getting. And that could be assuming none of the extra draft picks they get bust.

Scotty D
09-10-2012, 03:22 PM
I don't care what anyone says. Going in to the that dome against Brees and pulling out a win in your first game is impressive. Plus it seemed like the Saints got a boost from the suspensions being lifted. More of a mental boost than a boost from actual player performance but still. I can tell Griffin has "it". You can just tell when watching a guy.

Simply Keak
09-10-2012, 04:57 PM
RG3 played amazing yesterday. Literally made no mistakes and looked poised, like he'd been in the league for a decade. Give a lot of credit to the offensive line for keeping him clean 99% of the time, but he looked great. Excellent strategy getting him comfortable with all the bubble screens at the beginning of the game ...


it's like I was sitting there waiting for him to screw up and cost his team the game but he just wouldn't. Past Redskins teams would have lost in the 2nd half after the momentum we gained after the blocked punt ... but RG3 was cool under pressure.

If I was a Redskins fan I'd be really happy right now. The future is bright.


On the other hand, Bradford is solid. Unless RG3 gets injured in 2013/14 early in the season and the Rams get a top 5 pick from the Skins, they probably lost in the long run.

yodabear
09-10-2012, 05:15 PM
Ugh...why the **** was this brought up? This really makes u feel better Browns fans...well u guys suck more than us and I will take Bradford over Weeden every day of the ******* week. Enjoy ur 2-14 season. And Griffen beat the Saints, Drew Brees would love to face his defense too.

Raiderz4Life
09-10-2012, 05:25 PM
Man...i love these threads. They always give me a good a laugh.

descendency
09-10-2012, 06:27 PM
I don't care what anyone says. Going in to the that dome against Brees and pulling out a win in your first game is impressive. Plus it seemed like the Saints got a boost from the suspensions being lifted. More of a mental boost than a boost from actual player performance but still. I can tell Griffin has "it". You can just tell when watching a guy.

Ryan Leaf had "it" too. Too bad "it" was a pain killer addiction.

ConnSKINS26
09-10-2012, 10:25 PM
strategy getting him comfortable with all the bubble screens at the beginning of the game

Even more awesome is that he audibled all of those screens to start the game, because he saw that the Saints were leaving it open. Straight from Shanahan, RG3 has a lot of freedom to audible in this offense, and he's made excellent decisions doing it so far.

FUNBUNCHER
09-10-2012, 11:46 PM
Even more awesome is that he audibled all of those screens to start the game, because he saw that the Saints were leaving it open. Straight from Shanahan, RG3 has a lot of freedom to audible in this offense, and he's made excellent decisions doing it so far.

I don't think there were any audibles on the SKins first offensive series. They ran all those screens to get RGIII into a rhythm passing and to calm him down.

That first series were all Baylor football plays, the stuff RGIII ran in college.

The Alex
09-11-2012, 12:30 AM
It's been one game though, so I don't wanna go all gpngc on everyone.

I don't understand this reference.

ConnSKINS26
09-13-2012, 05:26 PM
I don't think there were any audibles on the SKins first offensive series. They ran all those screens to get RGIII into a rhythm passing and to calm him down.

That first series were all Baylor football plays, the stuff RGIII ran in college.

Maybe audible wasn't the right term. RG3 could have kept it, handed it off to the the RB, or threw the screen on each of those plays, and he chose well each time. Its not an audible, but it's proof that he read the defense and made a quick decision on which option to take, even if it was similar to his college offense.

bucfan12
09-14-2012, 06:05 AM
Yeah. I'll give RG III this. He played a very good opening game. But that doesn't make the trade with st Louis already a winner for the Skins. RGIII has a ways to go as an NFL passer. He's comfortable in that offense though as it seems Shanny is running more plays out of te shotgun.

I also thought it was funny whe the one announcer said the deal seems to have paid off for Washington. LOL. It's one game. Don't put him in the HOF. Not saying he will be Ryan Leaf but remember his first start?

PoopSandwich
09-14-2012, 09:00 AM
Ugh...why the **** was this brought up? This really makes u feel better Browns fans...well u guys suck more than us and I will take Bradford over Weeden every day of the ******* week. Enjoy ur 2-14 season. And Griffen beat the Saints, Drew Brees would love to face his defense too.

WTF YODA WATCH IT

SolidGold
09-14-2012, 09:05 AM
Yeah. I'll give RG III this. He played a very good opening game. But that doesn't make the trade with st Louis already a winner for the Skins. RGIII has a ways to go as an NFL passer. He's comfortable in that offense though as it seems Shanny is running more plays out of te shotgun.

I also thought it was funny whe the one announcer said the deal seems to have paid off for Washington. LOL. It's one game. Don't put him in the HOF. Not saying he will be Ryan Leaf but remember his first start?

Now teams know what the Redskins are going to be doing - WR screens and a horizontal passing game - essentially a college spread offense. After watching the Packers and Bears defense last night I am looking forward to the Redskins playing better defensive units.

holt_bruce81
09-14-2012, 09:36 PM
When talking about Bradford, most people just look at the statline, which doesn't really tell the entire story. He's more than capable, Rams jst need to keep adding talent around him. And I don't care if it was Aaron Rodgers, John Elway or Joe Montana back there last year, NO Quarterback would of had success with that team. Dropped passes, inexperienced receivers, patch-worked offensive line.

Like I said in the Young Guns thread, last week Bradford did an exellent job at fooling the defense to get Chris Givens open. Looked at Givens and Amendola off the snap, both were covered (Detroit was in a deep zone) Bradford then looked at Kendricks, pump faked it to him drawing the safety in and giving Givens seperation. Bradford tried to re-adjust his feet but threw it a little bit off his back foot. Still traveled nearly 60-yards and hit Givens in the hands. Was it a tough catch? absolutely but it was catchable and thats the difference between what Sam Bradford has and what Matthew Stafford has. Because that would of at least been a 60-yard gain, maybe a touchdown, and on that last drive when the Lions won it, Stafford threw a similiar ball to Calvin, who came down with it, of course.

fenikz
09-14-2012, 10:26 PM
Bradford can't throw a ball 60 yards.

Bulldogs
09-14-2012, 10:43 PM
Let's cut out the hyperboles. Rodgers, Elway, and Montana would be far more successful in St. Louis than Bradford has been.

holt_bruce81
09-14-2012, 11:26 PM
Bradford can't throw a ball 60 yards.

He released it at the 10. Givens was at the Lions 34.

holt_bruce81
09-14-2012, 11:27 PM
Let's cut out the hyperboles. Rodgers, Elway, and Montana would be far more successful in St. Louis than Bradford has been.

I didn't say they wouldn't be more succesful. Just saying they wouldn't be great with that team around them, and would have little success. The team, coaching was atrocious.

Complex
09-14-2012, 11:45 PM
Let's cut out the hyperboles. Rodgers, Elway, and Montana would be far more successful in St. Louis than Bradford has been.

Have you seen Elways stat line when he was surrounded by a poor group of WR's?

No QB has been great with a poor supporting cast not great not average but poor supporting cast.

SickwithIt1010
09-14-2012, 11:46 PM
I didn't say they wouldn't be more succesful. Just saying they wouldn't be great with that team around them, and would have little success. The team, coaching was atrocious.

I agree with you my man, dont worry. Quarterbacks can make it all go as well as make it turn to ****, but they do need a little bit of help around you. When you have a bunch of hacks on the line and out wide like Sam does right now, you might as well just brace yourself to get sacked.

holt_bruce81
09-14-2012, 11:50 PM
Exactly. I'm not saying none of it is Bradford's fault, he does need to improve on things, like getting rid of the ball. But the tools are still there and I'm excited now that Fisher is starting to put weapons around him, though he is still missing that true #1.

I guess We'll see.

SickwithIt1010
09-14-2012, 11:54 PM
Exactly. I'm not saying none of it is Bradford's fault, he does need to improve on things, like getting rid of the ball. But the tools are still there and I'm excited now that Fisher is starting to put weapons around him, though he is still missing that true #1.

I guess We'll see.

Next year is a good year to snatch up a WR, few that are pretty damn good. Get it done, Jeff.