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diabsoule
03-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Per RichCimini: Mark Sanchez has signed contract extension with team, per @NewYorkJets. No terms disclosed.
https://twitter.com/#!/RichCimini/status/178321054731739136

Sanchez had 2 yrs remaining on rookie deal, was due to make $8.5M base, $2.75 ros bonus this year. This could be cap-related move.
https://twitter.com/#!/RichCimini/status/178321803582783488

Per Jenny Vrentas: 5-year extension for Sanchez.
https://twitter.com/#!/JennyVrentas/status/178322789487493121

ATLDirtyBirds
03-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Awesome...

Vaylor
03-09-2012, 09:58 PM
Holy ****. Three years $58.3 million dollar extension.

Da-Phins
03-09-2012, 10:01 PM
LOL thats hilarious....

Sounds like a Ross type move. "oh hi we're sorry we wanted to replace you, here's an extension to makes things better"

J-Mike88
03-09-2012, 10:09 PM
Holy ****. Three years $58.3 million dollar extension.


http://fluffymachappy.com/Gifs/wtf.gif

descendency
03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
Thank you Tebow!

vidae
03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
Christ, what are you doin Jets?

A Perfect Score
03-09-2012, 10:13 PM
Mark Sanchez was their backup plan to Peyton. That's sad.

Hurricanes25
03-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I don't understand this move at all. It just makes no sense to me. If he was to have a good 2012 season, then fine, but before the season? I'm shocked.

descendency
03-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Christ, what are you doin Jets?

Giving the division to the Patriots!

Scotty D
03-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Its probably filled with funny money.

Basileus777
03-09-2012, 10:15 PM
Utter insanity. Sanchez is a marginal starter at QB. They should keep him since there isn't an obvious candidate to replace him with yet, but there was no need to pay him this.

TitanHope
03-09-2012, 10:19 PM
Shirley you can't be serious.

LTgiants
03-09-2012, 10:19 PM
I am going to use smilies to try and sum up my reaction to the Jets stupidity so here it goes.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/smilies/beurk.gif
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/smilies/gasp.gif
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vidae
03-09-2012, 10:19 PM
Shirley you can't be serious.

They are serious (apparently).. and don't call them Shirley. :D

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Mark Sanchez will make roughly $2 million more than Aaron Rodgers next year.

Brodeur
03-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Jesus Christ Jets, way to make it insanely hard to re-sign Stafford at a reasonable price. My god.

Hurricanes25
03-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Mark Sanchez will make roughly $2 million more than Aaron Rodgers next year.

That makes it sound 100x worse than it already is...

BaLLiN
03-09-2012, 10:24 PM
Better hope Schotty was the problem and not Sanchez

dunagan15
03-09-2012, 10:33 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Effin idiots

Bert Macklin
03-09-2012, 10:33 PM
Wow this might be worse than the RG3 trade lol.

Brodeur
03-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Apparently it lowers Sanchez's cap number for this year.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 10:35 PM
You know how expensive hot dogs in NY is?

Ngatachance92
03-09-2012, 10:36 PM
**** me... Flaccos price tag just took a jump.

Complex
03-09-2012, 10:38 PM
**** me... Flaccos price tag just took a jump.

Flacco wants top 5 money no it doesn't. The ravens will be stupid to pay that much anyway.

Ngatachance92
03-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Flacco wants top 5 money no it doesn't. The ravens will be stupid to pay that much anyway.

Alright, I just wanted to act like I knew how contracts work. Thank you for clarifying.

Basileus777
03-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Is this the most bizarre QB extension since Jake Delhomme?

descendency
03-09-2012, 10:48 PM
Apparently it lowers Sanchez's cap number for this year.

It also fully guarantees his next 2 years and distributes a much larger cap number over the 5 years.

The Jets had better hope he plays like an elite QB now.

bigbuc
03-09-2012, 11:00 PM
Luckiest guy on earth. Kate Upton and now this! God, why does your light shine so bright upon Mark and not me? WHYYYY?!?!

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 11:02 PM
I hate the Jets for this. It was already difficult to re-sign Brees

Complex
03-09-2012, 11:03 PM
I hate the Jets for this. It was already difficult to re-sign Brees

And this makes it more difficult how?

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 11:05 PM
And this makes it more difficult how?

Before this the Saints had some wiggle room for negotiations. Now they have even less

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 11:05 PM
We have no wiggle room anyways. He wants crazy money.

Complex
03-09-2012, 11:07 PM
Before this the Saints had some wiggle room for negotiations. Now they have even less

Sanchez isn't getting top 5 QB money, unless the saints were planning to ripoff Brees I don't think it changes anything.

Ngatachance92
03-09-2012, 11:08 PM
Luckiest guy on earth. Kate Upton and now this! God, why does your light shine so bright upon Mark and not me? WHYYYY?!?!

Kyle Boller has Carrie Prejean... Bitches love bad quarterbacks....

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 11:09 PM
Kyle Boller has Carrie Prejean... Bitches love bad quarterbacks with good looks and tons of cash....

Helped ya out.

diabsoule
03-09-2012, 11:10 PM
Kyle Boller has Carrie Prejean... Bitches love bad quarterbacks....

case in point: Jeff Garcia

http://media.philly.com/images/garciawife.jpg

Marrying former Playmate of the Year Camella DeCesare

Complex
03-09-2012, 11:10 PM
Kyle Boller has Carrie Prejean... Bitches love bad quarterbacks....

Well they are both good looking guys, no romo.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 11:10 PM
case in point: Jeff Garcia

http://media.philly.com/images/garciawife.jpg

Marrying former Playmate of the Year Camella DeCesare

She was a cover up rememberrrrr?

TimD
03-09-2012, 11:13 PM
Mark Sanchez will make roughly $2 million more than Aaron Rodgers next year.

i just cant understand why he thinks he deserves this

Ngatachance92
03-09-2012, 11:16 PM
I was about to say most quarterbacks are good looking... Than I see a picture of Garcia... And Sam Bradfords face popped into my head....

Complex
03-09-2012, 11:17 PM
I was about to say most quarterbacks are good looking... Than I see a picture of Garcia... And Sam Bradfords face popped into my head....

I disagree.

descendency
03-09-2012, 11:17 PM
I was about to say most quarterbacks are good looking... Than I see a picture of Garcia... And Sam Bradfords face popped into my head....

Have you seen John Elway?

I disagree.

So do 16 desperate women that wanted Tebow on 'The Bachelor'.

CDCB14
03-09-2012, 11:20 PM
Giving the division to the Patriots!

Super Bowl losers curse my friend. You ain't winning a thing next year.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 11:21 PM
So do 16 desperate women that wanted Tebow on 'The Bachelor'.

You trying to say Tebow aint hott?

Vox Populi
03-09-2012, 11:23 PM
i just cant understand why he the Jets thinks he deserves this

Fixed that for you.

descendency
03-09-2012, 11:25 PM
Super Bowl losers curse my friend. You ain't winning a thing next year.

Except every SB losing team the last 3 years have all made it back to the playoffs.

You trying to say Tebow aint hott?

I was more knocking the cheap whores they get for that show than Tebow.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 11:26 PM
Except every SB losing team the last 3 years have all made it back to the playoffs.

And none had Two 1sts, 2 2nds, and a 3rd with cap room either.

niel89
03-09-2012, 11:27 PM
I don't think he sees the end of this contract. Unless he make significant strides, I think they try another option in 2-3 years.

Obligatory 'this make Flacco harder to sign.'

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 11:28 PM
Maybe theres a opt-out clause ala Kolb, right?

CDCB14
03-09-2012, 11:28 PM
Except every SB losing team the last 3 years have all made it back to the playoffs.

Don't matter... it's the curzzzzzzz. The Patriots will probably lose in epically bad fashion too. Sucks, but somebody has to lose the super bowl.

BradysKnee
03-09-2012, 11:29 PM
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3176/stupidhq.jpg

descendency
03-09-2012, 11:30 PM
I'm seeing reports now that this is basically just a way to get Sanchez cap number down and spread it across 5 years instead of 2. They fully guaranteed the next 2 years to make up for the Manning rumor, but it does two things:

1) makes him cuttable after 2 years (which he basically was already)
2) keeps him around if he progresses at a cheap rate.

CDCB14
03-09-2012, 11:32 PM
On a serious note, does anything Sanchez can become an elite QB?

He was the #5 overall pick, even if he didn't necessarily belong there.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2012, 11:36 PM
Kyle Boller has Carrie Prejean... Bitches love bad quarterbacks....
Carrie Prejean is ******* annoying. Not worth it.

Giantsfan1080
03-09-2012, 11:36 PM
They struck out quickly with Peyton so in order to make Sanchez feel better they gave him way more money than he's worth.

zachsaints52
03-09-2012, 11:38 PM
On a serious note, does anything Sanchez can become an elite QB?

He was the #5 overall pick, even if he didn't necessarily belong there.

No 10chars

Giantsfan1080
03-09-2012, 11:38 PM
They also traded up for him.

Ngatachance92
03-09-2012, 11:42 PM
I disagree.

I'm sorry, I guess I'm just not as good at judging men as you are. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Basileus777
03-09-2012, 11:43 PM
They also traded up for him.

They gave up a bunch of trash to Cleveland, it's not like it was a costly trade.

Giantsfan1080
03-09-2012, 11:44 PM
They gave up a bunch of trash to Cleveland, it's not like it was a costly trade.

Still costly that they took a ****** QB.

Brodeur
03-09-2012, 11:45 PM
Carrie Prejean is ******* annoying. Not worth it.

Well, at least she's open about her blatant prejudices.

Ness
03-10-2012, 12:42 AM
Is the most bizarre QB extension since Jake Delhomme?

This extension reminds me of that incident. Jets are really putting all of their eggs into one basket here. It's nice to show a lot of faith in their guy, but at the same time there is going to be a huge amount of pressure on the organization now.

Ness
03-10-2012, 12:45 AM
case in point: Jeff Garcia

http://media.philly.com/images/garciawife.jpg

Marrying former Playmate of the Year Camella DeCesare

Garcia had some good years though.

Brodeur
03-10-2012, 12:46 AM
This extension reminds me of that incident. Jets are really putting all of their eggs into one basket here. It's nice to show a lot of faith in their guy, but at the same time there is going to be a huge amount of pressure on the organization now.

They can cut him after two years with limited financial penalty if he keeps failing.

niel89
03-10-2012, 12:48 AM
Is the most bizarre QB extension since Jake Delhomme?

It is not impossible for me to think about Delhomme without thinking of this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/beansdooma/delhomme.png

49erNation85
03-10-2012, 01:47 AM
dayuummmm. Dumb Jets .. 9ers don't sign Smith for that much i'll just die...

Complex
03-10-2012, 01:49 AM
dayuummmm. Dumb Jets .. 9ers don't sign Smith for that much i'll just die...

You had Alex Smith for like 10 years before he became decent.

Razor
03-10-2012, 02:34 AM
Thank you Jets, now you can continue to suck. I love it!

Caddy
03-10-2012, 02:57 AM
Really Jets...WTF are you doing

Jvig43
03-10-2012, 04:06 AM
I swear to god I thought I was still drunk when I read this title. I should be happy but at the same time I'm just offended at how stupid this is. I remember when Jets fans two seasons ago argued with me that I just hated Sanchez because I was a Pats fan. Good times. Anyway, enjoy Jets fans. Love, a Pats fan.

5 yard check downs to the rb ftw!

asdf1223
03-10-2012, 04:13 AM
I would like to see an actual cap number breakdown before anything. Otherwise this is just the Mcnabb deal part 2.

Razor
03-10-2012, 04:47 AM
I would like to see an actual cap number breakdown before anything. Otherwise this is just the Mcnabb deal part 2.

Basically the Jets have fully guaranteed $20 mil. over the next two seasons, thus making him very cuttable after those two years, Should they decide to bring him back it'll be at a affordable rate.

asdf1223
03-10-2012, 05:35 AM
Basically the Jets have fully guaranteed $20 mil. over the next two seasons, thus making him very cuttable after those two years, Should they decide to bring him back it'll be at a affordable rate.

Thanks but I would like to see a full breakdown of the numbers. Mcnabb's initial contract said 40 milllion guaranteed and everyone flipped. In reality it was just 3.5 million and very easy to cut after one year. 20 million guaranteed might be only guaranteed for injury only. Its almost impossible to accurately understand contracts these days especially QB ones.

TitanHope
03-10-2012, 07:21 AM
Garcia had some good years though.

Hopefully Diab was just referring to him being an ugly QB, cause I'd take him, even after his prime, over Sanchez. But then again, he sneezes and gets hurt, so...

I remember him being on his last legs in Tampa Bay, and he still had that annoying as hell ability to scramble around to avoid the pass-rush. The Titans had Albert Haynesworth and Kyle Vanden Bosch and still couldn't get him. I remember watching that and being frustrated out of my mind.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 07:55 AM
You guys are overreacting. This is basically a contract that allows them to move money around to clear cap space. They can still cut Mark after this year if they wanted to, plus, if he does in fact pan out (highly unlikely at this point), they have him for 5 more years for a very good price.

So it was a wise move on the Jets part. Once they realized they had no chance at Peyton, they cleared space for additions around Sanchez while leveraging themselves for both a longterm relationship with Mark and also the ability to cut him if he sucks.

What bothers me is this statement:

ďIím going to be the starting quarterback for the next few years here, and thatís exciting,Ē Sanchez said, in comments distributed by the Jetsí P.R. staff. ďIt gives the team just a reminder that Iím the leader of this team, and Iím excited to get back, and Iím going to be working my tail off these next few months to become the best possible starting quarterback that this franchise can have.Ē

This statement was released by the Jets PR staff. The bolded sticks out to me. You have to REMIND the team that you're the leader?! And how does paying you money automatically make you the leader of the team?

This whole concept of Mark being the leader is clearly being forced onto the fanbase, and players, and I guarantee you the players aren't buying it. They're trying to manufacture Mark as the leader of the team, but this statement alone just proves that the rumors of the Jets coddeling Mark are very true. Look at that statement. It tells you everything you need to know.

Mark won't succeed. And the Jets will move on after this year. This contract is just window dressing.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 07:59 AM
Deep down Mark knows he's uselss but he's trying to talk himself up to build his own confidence.

General Zod
03-10-2012, 08:02 AM
It's an apology extension. lol

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 08:07 AM
It's an apology extension. lol

:lol:

Basically yeah.

BradysKnee
03-10-2012, 08:16 AM
20 million guaranteed. Gets better and better.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 12:02 PM
I've been saying for some time that Sanchez who entered the league as an extremely raw junior QB with only 12 starts under his belt, would need 4 years to have a breakout year. I think it will come this season and he will move into the upper echelon of NFL QB's.
The Jets obviously believe it also.

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 12:04 PM
I've been saying for some time that Sanchez who entered the league as an extremely raw junior QB with only 12 starts under his belt, would need 4 years to have a breakout year. I think it will come this season and he will move into the upper echelon of NFL QB's.
The Jets obviously believe it also.

No, the Jets believe to protect the already fragile mindset of Mark is to guarentee him money for two more years.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 12:07 PM
No, the Jets believe to protect the already fragile mindset of Mark is to guarentee him money for two more years.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, throw huge guaranteed money at a QB who you have no confidence in rather than find a way to replace him.

BradysKnee
03-10-2012, 12:09 PM
No, the Jets believe to protect the already fragile mindset of Mark is to guarentee him money for two more years.

Doesn't take a psychologist to figure that out. Of course, this proves he's the 'leader'. Right?

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 12:10 PM
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, throw huge guaranteed money at a QB who you have no confidence in rather than find a way to replace him.

I dont see any other QB on the market that you can honestly say would be a upgrade over Sanchez since Manning wont come, do you?

Rabscuttle
03-10-2012, 12:11 PM
I can't throw a ******* football to save my life, and yet I still make well under 7 figures. I am definitely doing things wrong.

And by the looks ofthings they could have cut his ass and brought in somebody else with the money off the books for this year.

Steady Lurkin
03-10-2012, 01:18 PM
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, throw huge guaranteed money at a QB who you have no confidence in rather than find a way to replace him.

Just like McNabb in Philly amirite?

This looks like salary cap tricks.

Hurricanes25
03-10-2012, 01:45 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/breaking-down-sanchezs-lipstick-and-powder-contract/

Turns out his was a good move for the Jets. It opens up over $6 million in cap space for the 2012 season.Then the last 3 years of the deal are all option years for the Jets. So either he lives up to the contract or we'll be able to cut him.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 01:52 PM
The haters immense as usual....

Sanchez has cleared up money this year to help the Jets out and by the time that his deal COULD falter the Jets cap room, the cap is expected to go up and essentially ease the Jets breathing room.

Believe me Sanchez is not as bad as this board makes him out to be. You guys seriously underrate how bad Brian Schottenheimer was as OC and likewise how AWFUL Wayne Hunter was at RT.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 01:53 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/breaking-down-sanchezs-lipstick-and-powder-contract/

Turns out his was a good move for the Jets. It opens up over $6 million in cap space for the 2012 season.Then the last 3 years of the deal are all option years for the Jets. So either he lives up to the contract or we'll be able to cut him.

What happens if they want to cut him next year?

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 01:55 PM
No, the Jets believe to protect the already fragile mindset of Mark is to guarentee him money for two more years.
Any QB will be shellshocked if your ***** RT gives you two seconds to study the field until Von Miller comes and spears you to death.

Cmon.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 01:58 PM
Is this the most bizarre QB extension since Jake Delhomme?
Sanchez is still young unlike when Delhomme signed his........

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 02:00 PM
I understand defending Sanchez but you cant deny he has been **** for the last 3 years. QB's have been in worse situations than him and still played to a decent level.

Jay Cutler springs to mind. He had worse receivers and a worse offensive line but he still out performed Sanchez is every way.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 02:03 PM
You guys are overreacting. This is basically a contract that allows them to move money around to clear cap space. They can still cut Mark after this year if they wanted to, plus, if he does in fact pan out (highly unlikely at this point), they have him for 5 more years for a very good price.

So it was a wise move on the Jets part. Once they realized they had no chance at Peyton, they cleared space for additions around Sanchez while leveraging themselves for both a longterm relationship with Mark and also the ability to cut him if he sucks.

What bothers me is this statement:

ďIím going to be the starting quarterback for the next few years here, and thatís exciting,Ē Sanchez said, in comments distributed by the Jetsí P.R. staff. ďIt gives the team just a reminder that Iím the leader of this team, and Iím excited to get back, and Iím going to be working my tail off these next few months to become the best possible starting quarterback that this franchise can have.Ē

This statement was released by the Jets PR staff. The bolded sticks out to me. You have to REMIND the team that you're the leader?! And how does paying you money automatically make you the leader of the team?

This whole concept of Mark being the leader is clearly being forced onto the fanbase, and players, and I guarantee you the players aren't buying it. They're trying to manufacture Mark as the leader of the team, but this statement alone just proves that the rumors of the Jets coddeling Mark are very true. Look at that statement. It tells you everything you need to know.

Mark won't succeed. And the Jets will move on after this year. This contract is just window dressing.
Sanchez just needs to let his play do the talking. Who cares what teammates think, they much like the front office have no loyalty to anyone, not even their own teammates. If Sanchez lets his play do the talking, his teammates will forget anything ever happened and turn their total opinion on everything.

Sanchez on the field does everything right that you'd want out of a professional, he just needs to begin to get more harsh rather than try to accommodate guys like Holmes or Burress. Sanchez is almost TOO nice for his own good when you have to crack out the whip and come on guys for not running correct routes.

I am tired of New York over analyzing every single thing a player does and likewise the lack of patience the town has on its players. Fans want everything out of their players and expect their players to shine right away.

derza222
03-10-2012, 02:07 PM
What happens if they want to cut him next year?

Then they're in trouble, but that's unlikely anyway. First season with the new OC, if he struggles they'll probably use the whole learning a new system excuse to keep him around another year anyway.

Given it's basically three option years after the two and they save 6.4 million against the cap, the deal's a lot nicer than I thought initially. I don't love it, but as nice as Manning would have been I think it's good they're not flip flopping on Sanchez right now. I would have supported one more year for him in a new system with hopefully an upgrade at right tackle and a receiver who can stretch the defense a bit, but it looks like there will be two. Honestly though if he sucks next year, you probably draft his replacement in 2013 and let them compete anyway.

The Jets were also basically at the cap coming into the offseason, and now it looks like they almost have 14 million in cap space. Not sure what they plan on doing, but lots of good small moves they can make. Hopefully Tannenbaum doesn't do anything stupid with the room, because that was my second largest concern when I heard about this deal and assumed it would open up cap space.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 02:07 PM
I understand defending Sanchez but you cant deny he has been **** for the last 3 years. QB's have been in worse situations than him and still played to a decent level.

Jay Cutler springs to mind. He had worse receivers and a worse offensive line but he still out performed Sanchez is every way.
Sanchez has had his ups and downs. He has come through in big games in 09 and 10 when asked upon and he performed admirably in each of his playoff games. People can discount him due to how great the O-Line was and the running attack but Sanchez when called upon, made the big throws needed to win those tough road games in January.

11 was a let down year and not a good year for Mark. However, he is not alone as to why that offense failed. Wayne Hunter is an embarrassment of a RT and if he is somehow the RT of next year, I will ******* come down and beat the **** out of MR. T myself. Brian Schottenheimer FINALLY is gone and hopefully like Chad Pennington and Brett Favre, hopefully Sanchez falls in the same road as "Thank god I am out of that clown's offense....now I can put on a strong year"

Jvig43
03-10-2012, 02:30 PM
The haters immense as usual....

Sanchez has cleared up money this year to help the Jets out and by the time that his deal COULD falter the Jets cap room, the cap is expected to go up and essentially ease the Jets breathing room.

Believe me Sanchez is not as bad as this board makes him out to be. You guys seriously underrate how bad Brian Schottenheimer was as OC and likewise how AWFUL Wayne Hunter was at RT.

:lol:

Stop you if weve heard this one before.

BradysKnee
03-10-2012, 02:35 PM
Hey dropout, you should just rename yourself to Sanchez Shield. I could make you an awesome sig.

Jvig43
03-10-2012, 02:47 PM
Also if it happens to be the case that the haters are so much more immense than the supporters, it most likely is more the case of homerism than hating.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 03:06 PM
JVig I get you think Schotty's a good OC but believe me, he's awful, predictable and outsmarts himself for his own good. Has zero clue on when to focus on the run and when to actually air it out.

I'd so change my name btw just not to Sanchez Shield. I am a huge Sanchez fan and I do call him out on his mistakes, just he's being made out to be Kyle Boller 2.0 on the board. Its a joke.

Jvig43
03-10-2012, 03:08 PM
Of course its a joke, Sancez could never hope to throw as deep as Boller did. 5 yard check downs ftw.

Also I never once said anything about Shotty being good.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 03:09 PM
Of course its a joke, Sancez could never hope to throw as deep as Boller did.

Also I never once said anything about Shotty being good.
Sanchez can throw it deep if given more than 5 seconds to throw.....

You make it out like Schotty was not the reason why the offense was putrid.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 03:12 PM
Sanchez can throw it deep if given more than 5 seconds to throw.....

You make it out like Schotty was not the reason why the offense was putrid.

Maybe because he's not...

The offense is horrible because Mark Sanchez is a dogshit quarterback.

zachsaints52
03-10-2012, 03:14 PM
Sanchez can throw it deep if given more than 5 seconds to throw.....

If your QB is getting 5 seconds thats more then enough time to throw a pass.

Steady Lurkin
03-10-2012, 03:33 PM
Sanchez can throw it deep if given more than 5 seconds to throw.....

You make it out like Schotty was not the reason why the offense was putrid.

You realize how long 5 seconds is, right?

Matt Cassel can throw it deep if given five seconds to plant and step into his throw, too. That's, like, a baseline requirement for the position. Doesn't make him any less limited as a QB.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 03:39 PM
Schotty will never get mistaken for a brilliant OC, but he's a scapegoat for Sanchez.

Sanchez's inability to read defenses is his demise. He's so bad at reading defenses, they had to dumb down the offense to a college level playbook just so he could operate in it. And once teams realized the only plays Sanchez can make are 1 step quick slants, the offense was done.

Done.

I used to be a Sanchez supporter, but that was under the assumption that he would progress as a qb. He's shown absolutely no progression. He's the same player now as he was as a rookie. He can't read defenses, he is afraid to throw it downfield, he can't throw outside the numbers, he can't make 2 reads. He's just not a good qb.

We can argue about this all day, but the truth is we'll see what Sanchez really is this year. And I don't care if the Jets have 4 linemen go on IR, if Sanchez sucks next year I don't want to hear anymore excuses for the guy. He has a lot more talent around him than a lot of other qbs in this league yet does far less with it.

If Andy Dalton can step into the league as a rookie and look better than Sanchez has ever looked with no training camp and with less talent, I don't understand how Sanchez can look so bad in 3 years. There's no excuse for it with today's rules. He is what he is at this point. I've come to accept it. I think by the end of his 4th year, everyone else will as well.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2012, 03:57 PM
I understand defending Sanchez but you cant deny he has been **** for the last 3 years. QB's have been in worse situations than him and still played to a decent level.

Jay Cutler springs to mind. He had worse receivers and a worse offensive line but he still out performed Sanchez is every way.

No he wasn't **** for the last 3 years, he has been a solid second half QB for the first 2 years and almost unbeatable in the month of December till this season.

He showed a lot of promise and he had an off season. However, he entered the league as a 12 game college starter in his junior year and was raw as you can get. It comes as no surprise to me that it would take him at least 4 seasons to blossom and I fully expect a breakout season by him.

Now if he fails in his 4th season as a starter, I'll begin to wright him off, but it is a year too soon in my book to believbe this guy cannot get a whole lot better.

Stash
03-10-2012, 04:03 PM
How much of this contract is guaranteed? I can't imagine the Jets would be stupid enough to give this kind of money to Sanchez based on what he's shown without a way to get out of the contract after 2-3 years.

Jvig43
03-10-2012, 04:03 PM
Before this season Sanchez was unbeatable in all eight games during December guys. UNBEATABLE!!!!!

Rabscuttle
03-10-2012, 04:03 PM
Far too much worthlessness to only have one contributor. Schott and Sanchez are like peanut butter and jam.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-10-2012, 04:14 PM
Well that's see if Sparano can help the sanchize. This reminds me when we fired that arse Hufangel! Then got rid of Shockey and Miki.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 04:17 PM
I will say this, the Jets haven't helped Sanchez by bringing in so many personalities in the locker room. When you have a young developing qb, you don't surround him by loudmouths and divas and expect him to lead. You can't give him Santonio, Burress, and take away the good soldiers like Cotch and Smith and expect him to develop chemistry and leadership with those guys overwhelming him.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 04:17 PM
No he wasn't **** for the last 3 years, he has been a solid second half QB for the first 2 years and almost unbeatable in the month of December till this season.

He showed a lot of promise and he had an off season. However, he entered the league as a 12 game college starter in his junior year and was raw as you can get. It comes as no surprise to me that it would take him at least 4 seasons to blossom and I fully expect a breakout season by him.

Now if he fails in his 4th season as a starter, I'll begin to wright him off, but it is a year too soon in my book to believbe this guy cannot get a whole lot better.

"He was **** in his first year, **** in his second and **** in his third but i think i'll give him one more year..."

No! Get rid of the money wasting bastard!

bucfan12
03-10-2012, 04:35 PM
Guys, remember, Mark Sanchez just came off his best season as a pro with a QB rating of 75. He earned it! (sarcasm).


This extension just made it impossible in terms of locking up guys like Flacco, Ryan, Aaron Rodgers. Heck, even Alex SMith is a better QB than Sanchez. The Niners are probably livid because now his agent can use this against San Fran in contract talks.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Guys, remember, Mark Sanchez just came off his best season as a pro with a QB rating of 75. He earned it! (sarcasm).


This extension just made it impossible in terms of locking up guys like Flacco, Ryan, Aaron Rodgers. Heck, even Alex SMith is a better QB than Sanchez. The Niners are probably livid because now his agent can use this against San Fran in contract talks.

Excuse me? Why will this signing effect Rodgers new deal?

derza222
03-10-2012, 04:53 PM
How much of this contract is guaranteed? I can't imagine the Jets would be stupid enough to give this kind of money to Sanchez based on what he's shown without a way to get out of the contract after 2-3 years.

Not much, PFT broke down the deal. About 20 million is guaranteed IIRC but it's all in the next two years pretty much. Seems like the Jets can get out of it pretty easily after 2013, and if he somehow turns it around they have a pretty reasonable deal with him for the next 3 years. Seems like a public vote of confidence and a way to free up cap space to me. He was almost certainly getting one more year anyway and there was a good chance two, this just guarantees that. Not ideal, but not nearly as bad of a deal as its being made out to be.

Complex
03-10-2012, 05:07 PM
I will say this, the Jets haven't helped Sanchez by bringing in so many personalities in the locker room. When you have a young developing qb, you don't surround him by loudmouths and divas and expect him to lead. You can't give him Santonio, Burress, and take away the good soldiers like Cotch and Smith and expect him to develop chemistry and leadership with those guys overwhelming him.

Especially if Plaxico is slow as **** and just got out of jail. They replaced Braylon their deep threat with Plaxico. They had no one to stretch the field not that it mattered this year since the Jets just ran slants like 80% of the time.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2012, 05:28 PM
Santonio stretches the field just fine. Sanchez just doesn't look downfield.

He missed Cotch bc that was his security valve. Should have never got rid of Cotchery. That was a big mistake.

derza222
03-10-2012, 06:01 PM
Santonio stretches the field just fine. Sanchez just doesn't look downfield.

He missed Cotch bc that was his security valve. Should have never got rid of Cotchery. That was a big mistake.

Eh yes and no. Santonio struggled because teams really didn't have to worry about Plax beating them deep. Wasn't as effective as he was with Braylon across from him, and with teams able to key in on him as the only real downfield option there was essentially no downfield option because he got neutralized downfield. It was like playing with post shoulder surgery Pennington again, teams were able to jump everything and nobody could separate because the defense knew if they stopped Holmes from getting loose nobody was going to beat them deep. Bringing in another guy who can get downfield this offseason would really help open up the offense IMO.

I will agree that getting rid of Cotchery was a mistake though. One of my favorite players while he was on the team, was a bummer to see him go and it definitely wasn't for the better. Mason was a huge mistake too.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 07:34 PM
Maybe because he's not...

The offense is horrible because Mark Sanchez is a dogshit quarterback.
The offense stunk with Favre in 08 and with Pennington/Clemens in 2007.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 07:35 PM
If your QB is getting 5 seconds thats more then enough time to throw a pass.
I was referring to downfield. Since we didn't re-up with Edwards, we lacked a burner at that point.

Holmes was running routes with the motions, Burress when he was not called for an off. pass int. penalty or holding penalty did not have the speed and Kerley was used as a short yard WR. We lacked a true speedster on the WR group like what Braylon Edwards brought.

Thing with Cotch was...he was better than Mason easily but Kerley did what Cotchery did and be that short yard cushion.

SuperPacker
03-10-2012, 07:37 PM
The offense stunk with Favre in 08 and with Pennington/Clemens in 2007.

Favre the 40 year old and Pennington the man with a million surgeries. How dare an offense not be elite with either of them at quarterback.

Thecollegedropout
03-10-2012, 07:43 PM
Favre the 40 year old and Pennington the man with a million surgeries. How dare an offense not be elite with either of them at quarterback.
I would agree with you BUT Favre flourished under a clueless hack like Darrell Bevell a year later. Pennington albeit he did stay healthy in 08 was accurate and got his plays off all the while the offense ran the wildcat formation in 08 under Sparano, Sanchez's new OC.

I did not get on Schotty in 06-07 because our O-Line minus Mangold/DBrick/Moore was in absolute shambles but Schotty's had excellent O-Lines to work with and steady RB production from Thomas Jones in 08-09. Like people say on Sanchez, Schotty had ALOT to work with and failed to ever get a top overall offense down. His predictability was just so frustrating.

I really thought Schotty should have left with Mangini after 08, no idea how he survived for 3 more years.

Steady Lurkin
03-10-2012, 09:11 PM
Favre in that offense was perfectly fine until his elbow disintegrated. Then **** hit the fan.

Brent
03-12-2012, 10:31 AM
this is what I create when I am bored on my spring break:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/idiotnumbr3/scumbagsanchez2.jpg

brat316
03-12-2012, 10:35 AM
Didn't he have 3 years left on his rookie deal?

SolidGold
03-12-2012, 11:05 AM
Didn't he have 3 years left on his rookie deal?

I think they (the Jets) thought they needed to do damage control with him after the rumors of the Jets interest in Peyton Manning. How he was ever the 4th pick in the draft is beyond me. He seems like a mentally soft individual that needs to be propped up. Supposedly he is coddled in the locker room. He relishes the spotlight but really isn't worthy of it but living in NY gets it anyways since Eli is a little more guarded, reserved, well respected teammate and leader - not a fame *****.

Brent
03-12-2012, 12:33 PM
Sanchez's inability to read defenses is his demise. He's so bad at reading defenses, they had to dumb down the offense to a college level playbook just so he could operate in it. And once teams realized the only plays Sanchez can make are 1 step quick slants, the offense was done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/idiotnumbr3/scumbagsanchez3.jpg

I need more ideas.

A Perfect Score
03-12-2012, 01:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8278a205/article/mark-sanchezs-extension-with-jets-isnt-all-it-seems?module=HP11_headline_stack

Finally, there's a surreal aspect to the extension in the form of an escalator that can reach a cool $10 million if Sanchez leads the Jets to four Super Bowl titles in the next five seasons.

I dunno if this has been posted, but it made me laugh very loud in the quiet section of the library.

Shane P. Hallam
03-12-2012, 01:28 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8278a205/article/mark-sanchezs-extension-with-jets-isnt-all-it-seems?module=HP11_headline_stack



I dunno if this has been posted, but it made me laugh very loud in the quiet section of the library.

I love that though. Might as well put it in!

soybean
03-12-2012, 01:35 PM
I dunno if this has been posted, but it made me laugh very loud in the quiet section of the library.

he gets majority ownership of the team if they make 7 straight.

A Perfect Score
03-12-2012, 01:37 PM
I was laughing more at the idea of Sanchez leading the jets anywhere, let alone 4 superbowls in the next 5 years.

timewaster
03-12-2012, 11:49 PM
On a serious note, does anything Sanchez can become an elite QB?

He was the #5 overall pick, even if he didn't necessarily belong there.

He was set up to fail IMO. He came into the league throwing at Cotchery, Clowney and Stucky. Where are these guys now? Throw in Braylon late in a season. Holmes late in a season. Mason for a minute. Plaxico was garbage. Was Coles in the mix at some point? Jeremy Kerley and Patrick Turner, other TE's and RB'S.

WCH
03-13-2012, 05:46 AM
He was set up to fail IMO. He came into the league throwing at Cotchery, Clowney and Stucky. Where are these guys now? Throw in Braylon late in a season. Holmes late in a season. Mason for a minute. Plaxico was garbage. Was Coles in the mix at some point? Jeremy Kerley and Patrick Turner, other TE's and RB'S.

There are a lot of QBs who've looked better despite having less to work with than Cotchery, Edwards, Holmes, Plax, and Mason...

timewaster
03-13-2012, 11:22 AM
There are a lot of QBs who've looked better despite having less to work with than Cotchery, Edwards, Holmes, Plax, and Mason...

Mason was here for a day or two.

Its not the quality of the WR's i have an issue with its the rotation of them. How do you develop a young QB with no constant pieces in his arsenal. Couple that with a terrible offense coordinator who couldnt make Bret Favre look good.

Yet he still has 4 playoff wins and his 5th all time in post season passer ratings. I'll take that upside and run with it.

At this point Eli looked like ****. Brees was ran out of town and Rodgers was still riding the bench.

Jughead10
03-13-2012, 11:37 AM
Mason was here for a day or two.

Its not the quality of the WR's i have an issue with its the rotation of them. How do you develop a young QB with no constant pieces in his arsenal. Couple that with a terrible offense coordinator who couldnt make Bret Favre look good.

Yet he still has 4 playoff wins and his 5th all time in post season passer ratings. I'll take that upside and run with it.

At this point Eli looked like ****. Brees was ran out of town and Rodgers was still riding the bench.

I think there isn't a high ceiling. You speak of upside when referring to things in the past. I think he can be better but I'm not sure how much. The general feeling is that he doesn't have the upside as many other young QBs.

Also Favre did look good until he got hurt. That's revisionist history. People were going crazy for Favre in the beginning.

WCH
03-13-2012, 12:44 PM
I think there isn't a high ceiling. You speak of upside when referring to things in the past. I think he can be better but I'm not sure how much. The general feeling is that he doesn't have the upside as many other young QBs.

Also Favre did look good until he got hurt. That's revisionist history. People were going crazy for Favre in the beginning.

Yeah, he did look pretty good before the injury. You can still see his game logs here:

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/gamelogs?season=2008

You can tell when he got injured, too. He had 20 TD passes in the first 11 games, and only 2 in the last 5 games. He also was riding a streak of three straight games with a QB Rating of 100+, and then never made it above 61.4 throughout the last five games.

mightytitan9
03-13-2012, 02:29 PM
yeah it's funny that people think Brett failed in NY because of his play, if he hadn't gotten hurt, or hadn't played hurt he may have played another season there

Taber21
03-13-2012, 02:46 PM
Look what he did next year in Minnesota. He didn't all of a sudden become good again, he was healthy again, like he was at the start if that year /w the Jets.

Steady Lurkin
03-13-2012, 02:48 PM
Yeah, he did look pretty good before the injury. You can still see his game logs here:

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/gamelogs?season=2008

You can tell when he got injured, too. He had 20 TD passes in the first 11 games, and only 2 in the last 5 games. He also was riding a streak of three straight games with a QB Rating of 100+, and then never made it above 61.4 throughout the last five games.

And his only weapon was Jerricho ******* Cotchery.

This is the point I always make when people use Schotty as the scapegoat of all scapegoats.

Iamcanadian
03-13-2012, 03:24 PM
See, I love the signing, I still believe in Sanchez and see a breakout year coming this season if the Jets can get him some weapons.

I may have to eat humble pie but that is my prediction.

Sanchez entered the league with only 16 starts in college as a raw junior to say the least. He showed a lot of promise in his first 2 seasons when the Jets made the conference finals and was almost unbeatable in December of both seasons.
Sure, he took a backward step last season but the Jet's offense and defense really didn't play all that well but they were still in the race for quite awhile. Plax replacing Edwards didn't work out and the running attack average about 50 yards less a game from the previous 2 seasons.

From all my experience, many great NFL QB's took around 3 years to reach real success and they entered the NFL as seasoned college QB's not raw juniors, so I still believe that it is quite possible that Sanchez could have a great breakout season.

And I'm not a Jet's fan.

j05son
03-14-2012, 12:36 PM
And I'm not a Browns fan.

Sorry, just dreaming...

Jvig43
03-14-2012, 02:01 PM
And his only weapon was Jerricho ******* Cotchery.

This is the point I always make when Jets fans use Schotty as the scapegoat of all scapegoats.

I had to fix that last part for you.

Thecollegedropout
03-16-2012, 12:23 AM
I think there isn't a high ceiling. You speak of upside when referring to things in the past. I think he can be better but I'm not sure how much. The general feeling is that he doesn't have the upside as many other young QBs.

Also Favre did look good until he got hurt. That's revisionist history. People were going crazy for Favre in the beginning.
Favre game vs ARI really skewed him altogether, he was brilliant that game but then you had some other games like vs the Pats in Week 2 and Bolts in week 3 and Raiders in week 7 vs JaMarcus Russell and OAK that he was bad. While I would agree that he stunk when he got hurt, he put that upon himself by staying in and using the media to stay in and because Mangini and Co. were begging Favre would put it together to save their jobs.

Thecollegedropout
03-16-2012, 12:26 AM
And his only weapon was Jerricho ******* Cotchery.

This is the point I always make when people use Schotty as the scapegoat of all scapegoats.
Cotchery was a steady No.2 for the Jets and Thomas Jones of 2008 was very, very, very good and better than what Sanchez worked with in 2010 and 2011. Faneca also wasn't a joke of a pass protecting LG at that point.

Coles was also decent and Keller had a good rookie year too.

bigbluedefense
03-16-2012, 05:09 PM
Let's not play the "Sanchez has no weapons" card. He had plenty of talent around him.

There were rookie qbs in this league that did more with less without a training camp as a rookie than Sanchez. He doesn't have a talent excuse.