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gpngc
03-16-2012, 12:01 AM
Trying to help mock drafters here.

A team doesn't draft offensive lineman in the first and usually the second round to be a 6th or 7th man. They draft guys they think can start/to fill a need.

Same goes for MLB (x2 in 3-4), 4-3 OLB, TE (most cases), both starting S spots, and of course QB.

All teams will take pass rushers, CBs, WRs, and RBs regardless of perceived needs.

Because of this, it is important to understand where each team stands in terms of the offensive line, as free agency winds down. This will help a lot when fitting in OL in mock drafts.

I'll start:

SEAHAWKS
LT: Okung
LG: McQuistan/Jean-Pierre
C: Unger
RG: Moffitt/Carpenter
RT: Carpenter/Breno

They may look at DeCastro if he's there, but something tells me they are fine with this group and will just have these guys compete in TC for the starting spots. Especially after drafting two OL in the first three rounds last year.

And the backups that you don't recognize all performed pretty well, maybe even earning those spots, specifically Breno.

So MAYBE they add DeCastro, but I think this line is set right now - just don't know where exactly Carp, Moffit, etc. will fit in.

mightytitan9
03-16-2012, 12:13 AM
LT: Michael Roos
LG: Leroy Harris
C: Eugene Amano
RG: (Steve Hutchinson)
RT: David Stewart

Roos and Stewart are top 5 at their position. Steve Hutchinson provides a veteran leadership and knowledge, and although he's declined slightly in play he is still a great player. Harris has played LG for the Titans in the past, but Hutch played that his whole career to my knowledge so I am not sure which will play where.

The Titans are trying to add a C in FA, whether it be Myers, Wells or Saturday is yet to be seen. I project Amano will likely be released if this is to happen, however the coaches really like him and he could be moved to G to compete with Harris (he played OG while Mawae was here)

Essentially, the Titans may look at DeCastro if he's available, and possibly Konz (depending on FA) but it's highly unlikely. Munch was a great O-Line coach and Bruce is heading that way, I think they will look to develop mid to late round talent. I think they will really like Amini Solatilu (sp?) but I don't know if they'll select OL that early. I think Michael Brewster is a possibility.

Right now, it's a little early in free agency to truly determine, but I don't see the Titans taking O-Line before Round 3.

zachsaints52
03-16-2012, 12:15 AM
LT- Bushrod / Brown
LG- Grubbs / Tennant
C- de le Puente / Tennant
RG- Evans / Tennant
RT- Streif / Brown (I dont know if we still have McQuinstan)

We would be ******** to draft a lineman anywhere in the first 4 rounds when we have 1 DT, no pass rush, and no starting caliber OLBs.

Thats all.

zachsaints52
03-16-2012, 12:16 AM
LT: Michael Roos
LG: Leroy Harris
C: Eugene Amano
RG: (Steve Hutchinson)
RT: David Stewart

Roos and Stewart are top 5 at their position. Steve Hutchinson provides a veteran leadership and knowledge, and although he's declined slightly in play he is still a great player. Harris has played LG for the Titans in the past, but Hutch played that his whole career to my knowledge so I am not sure which will play where.
The Titans are trying to add a C in FA, whether it be Myers, Wells or Saturday is yet to be seen. I project Amano will likely be released if this is to happen, however the coaches really like him and he could be moved to G to compete with Harris (he played OG while Mawae was here)

Essentially, the Titans may look at DeCastro if he's available, and possibly Konz (depending on FA) but it's highly unlikely. Munch was a great O-Line coach and Bruce is heading that way, I think they will look to develop mid to late round talent. I think they will really like Amini Solatilu (sp?) but I don't know if they'll select OL that early. I think Michael Brewster is a possibility.

Right now, it's a little early in free agency to truly determine, but I don't see the Titans taking O-Line before Round 3.

Hutch always played LG.... Him and Walter Jones was one of the best sides of a OL ever.

mightytitan9
03-16-2012, 12:17 AM
Hutch always played LG.... Him and Walter Jones was one of the best sides of a OL ever.

I know, I was saying that Harris plays LG and I project him moving to RG since Hutch was LG his career or at least I thought so thanks for confirming

Thecollegedropout
03-16-2012, 12:18 AM
JETS:
LT: Ferguson
LG: Slauson/Turner
C: Mangold
RG: Moore
RT: Hunter/Ducasse

Ferguson had a down year IMO altogether in 2011 but for the most part he has been steady as a rock. No need to worry about him long term. Slauson is pretty underrated, especially in opening gaps for Greene/LT but he is out right now with an injury he was nursing for much of 2011. Turner is pretty good depth relief but he got IR'd thanks to JJ Watt falling on his knee in preseason.

Mangold is of course Mangold so no need to even mention him. Moore is getting up their in age but he is more than solid and is one of the more underrated guards in the league.

Wayne Hunter is absolute garbage which is a shame as when he came in for Woody in 2010, Hunter held his own during the Jets playoff run. Don't know what went wrong in 2011 but he was abysmal in pass protection, he was one of the big reasons Sanchez was getting killed on a weekly basis and was playing shocked. Ducasse I have no idea what he is going to be, he has been useless in 2010 and 2011 and has been a detriment more than anything. This is a make or break year for him IMO, if he stinks, he will be cut. He has been used as a TE at times for mainly helping Hunter on goal line stances.

vidae
03-16-2012, 01:12 AM
For the Chiefs:

LT: Branden Albert
LG: Ryan Lilja
C: Rodney Hudson
RG: Jon Asamoah
RT: <>

Barry Richardson is a free agent and was one of the worst OTs in the NFL last year. The Chiefs are trying to work out a deal with Eric Winston right now, and he'd slide right in to RT and hold that spot down.

If DeCastro is there at 11, he'd be a very intriguing pick for the Chiefs. We'd have one of the youngest and most talented lines in the NFL. Lilja would be the one to be replaced, as Asamoah constantly graded out as our best offensive lineman last year in only his second season.

Caddy
03-16-2012, 01:15 AM
LT: Donald Penn
LG: Carl Nicks
C: Jeremy Zuttah
RG: Davin Joseph
RT: Jeremy Trueblood

Penn, Joesph and Nicks are awesome players at there position and on big money deals. Zuttah just got signed to a four year deal to replace JeffFaine at C. Trueblood is in the final year of his contract and will hopefully be replaced next season.

gpngc
03-16-2012, 01:16 AM
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN CADDY? So you could see them taking a RT at 35 or whatever in the 2012 draft? Or are you saying he'll start then they'll re-evaluate after this upcoming year?

Pat Sims 90
03-16-2012, 01:19 AM
As of now without finishing FA for the Bengals.

LT: Andrew Whitworth
LG: <>
C: Kyle Cook
RG: Clint Boling(For Now)
RT: Andre Smith

The Bengals have 1 Guard under contract right now. I know they have looked at DeCastro, Glenn, and Kevin Zeitler as far highly regarded guards go in the draft. The Bengals could also use a backup OT if Anthony Collins leaves in FA.

Caddy
03-16-2012, 01:21 AM
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN CADDY? So you could see them taking a RT at 35 or whatever in the 2012 draft? Or are you saying he'll start then they'll re-evaluate after this upcoming year?

I have no doubt he heads into the season and probably starts all year. Schiano wants to run the ball and Trueblood is pretty nasty in the run game. He is definitely a mauler.

gpngc
03-16-2012, 01:23 AM
As of now without finishing FA for the Bengals.

LT: Andrew Whitworth
LG: <>
C: Kyle Cook
RG: Clint Boling(For Now)
RT: Andre Smith

The Bengals have 1 Guard under contract right now. I know they have looked at DeCastro, Glenn, and Kevin Zeitler as far highly regarded guards go in the draft.

So what are the odds Boling enters the year as a starter? Are they looking for TWO starting guards?

Pat Sims 90
03-16-2012, 01:29 AM
So what are the odds Boling enters the year as a starter? Are they looking for TWO starting guards?

I would not be surprized if they did. I could see them taking a LG and maybe and RG to come in a compete for the starting RG postion with Boling.

RaiderNation
03-16-2012, 03:26 AM
Oakland Raiders

New ZBS being brought in, only returning starters under contract are LT Jared Veldheer and C/LG Stefen Wisniewski. Both are good fits IMO and were dominant together on the left side at times last year, especially when DMC was healthy. Right now we have 3rd round pick Joeseph Barksdale who can play RT/OG potentially, but he isn't an ideal fit in the ZBS. F/A Samson Satele will hopefully be brought back, he is a very good fit and would allow us to keep Wiz at LG. Bruce Campbell is still a work in progress and has the chance to be cut with the new regime in Oakland, man would it be great if he turned out to be a stud though at RT for us. We have been rumored already to being talking to a few veteran ZBS olinemen, and will likely sign one soon. A developmental C/OG could be drafted in the 5th or 6th, other than that we have bigger needs(pass rusher, CB, FS, TE, LB then OL)

Projected 2012 Oline

LT Jared Veldheer
LG Stefen Wisniewski
C Samson Satele
RG F/A
RT Joeseph Barksdale/Bruce Campbell/ F/A

Abaddon
03-16-2012, 03:45 AM
Raiders
LT - Veldheer
LG - Wisniewski (could/should move to center)
C - None under contract.
RG - None under contract.
RT - Barksdale, Bruce Campbell

Neither Barksdale nor Campbell has given any indication that they can contribute, let alone start.

It's been reported that the Raiders have no interest in bringing Satele back.

Going zone heavy should make the line easier to rebuild, but make no mistake. This O-line is getting a reboot. Jared Veldheer is the only guy all but assured to maintain his position. Wiz II will start, but where remains to be seen. The other 3/5 of the line is completely up in the air, and none of those 3 appear to be on the current roster.

Mark Brisiel of the Texans is supposed to be coming in to talk. He should secure one guard spot, durability issues not withstanding.

As of right now, there are only two viable offensive linemen on the roster. Two entrenched starters and nonexistent depth. Scary.

As bad as the defense was last year, it may well have to take a back seat to the retooling of the O-line. We can't leave our INT prone QB and brittle RB hung out to dry.

TACKLE
03-16-2012, 04:39 AM
Ravens

LT - Bryant McKinnie
LG - <>
C - <>
RG - Marshal Yanda
RT - Michael Oher, Jah Reid


Interior

We are almost an exclusively zone team so we need guys who can move and get to the second level. We just lost Ben Grubbs in FA and Matt Birk and Andre Gurode are also UFA's. There's a point where savy can no longer compensate for old age and I think Birk has reached that point. Gurode filled in at both LG and C this year and is still playing at a level where he can still be a solid starter for us. Marshal Yanda is arguably the best RG in football and one of the top all-around offensive lineman in the league. We signed him to a 5 year deal last off-season so that spots locked down. Former Buckeye Justin Boren on the practice roster but I think he only dressed like 2 games last year. Evan Mathis has been brought in as a potential signee and he would be a perfect fit at LG to replace Grubbs in our offense and probably quite a bit cheaper for the same caliber (or better depending on who you ask) player.

Tackles

Oher is a much better RT than LT but is still inconsistent at that spot. He's physical and athletic but with his inconsistencies in pass pro, he really doesn't look suited to play on the 'blindside'. Jah Reid has great length, looked very good in pre-season and is an excellent run blocker. He is/was raw as a pass protector and only really saw game action in overload sets but he has the tools of a quality potential starter. Unfortunately, like Oher he is a RT only. Bryant McKinnie was badly overrated for years so I had the lowest expectations for him. Although he still isn't very good, he knows how to use his size in pass pro and he did a better job as a pass protector than I expect albeit still quite mediocre. Though truth be told I trust his pass pro more than Oher's on the right side. The problem with McKinnie is because he's so slow, he's a major liability on the backside in the run game because he really struggles to get the cut off block on the backside. Our offensive tackle situation is a really tricky one. We have two young guys who were 1st and 3rd round picks but both are RT's only and a old, slow LT who needs to be replaced but is the only one competent enough in pass pro to keep his job. Eric Winston is in the conversation (though I think he may end up being too pricey) but would most logically make the move to LT. Problem is McKinnie has a 500k roster bonus that they'll have to pick up in a couple days or they'll have have another answer at LT - most likely the former. If we have the opportunity to get a quality young starting LT in either free agency or the draft, we need to take it.

igglefanz
03-16-2012, 06:52 AM
Eagles are

RT Herremans
RG Watkins/Vandervelde
C Kelce
LG ?/ M Gibson
LT Peters

As of right now there is a solid starting 4 but not much as of LG starting material and no depth at tackle. If Mathis signs elsewhere I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles go OG in the first 2 rounds. And I expect a T will be drafted in the first 5 rounds so they will be Active in the draft. I do think they will sign another tackle with experience or resign Dunlap.

BeerBaron
03-16-2012, 07:13 AM
Bears:

Entire Line - Poop

Really:
LT - J'Marcus Webb
LG - Edwin Williams
C - Roberto Garza
RG - Chris Spencer
RT - Gabe Carimi - Lance Louis

God that's awful....I'm not even sure of what other backups we have now that Omiyele has been cut. I think Levi Horn was on our practice squad and he's a tackle.

The saving grace in it all is Cutler. Despite the line, we've gone 11-5 and 7-3 in the last two seasons when he's been healthy. And when he got hurt last year, it wasn't even the fault of the o-line.

I don't know if it's a direction we'll look in the first round since I think DE will provide a little better value and is a more gaping hole, but I don' think it would hurt to add depth/competition with some of our other picks.

Damix
03-16-2012, 07:29 AM
LT: Will Beatty/Diehl
LG: Kevin Boothe/Mitch Petrus
C: Davis Baas/Boothe
RG: Chris Snee/Mitch Petrus
RT: David Diehl/James Brewer

This is how I expect the opening day lineup to be.

BeerBaron
03-16-2012, 07:32 AM
LT: Will Beatty/Diehl
LG: Kevin Boothe/Mitch Petrus
C: Davis Baas/Boothe
RG: Chris Snee/Mitch Petrus
RT: David Diehl/James Brewer

This is how I expect the opening day lineup to be.

Beatty was awful in what I saw of him last year.

Giantsfan1080
03-16-2012, 07:33 AM
Beatty was awful in what I saw of him last year.

Most of us don't really like him. We think he'd be better off at RT actually but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon. He's not physical enough for my liking.

BeerBaron
03-16-2012, 07:35 AM
Most of us don't really like him. We think he'd be better off at RT actually but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon. He's not physical enough for my liking.

If physicality is the problem then moving to RT won't help. Chris Williams was soft as hell and was awful at RT because of it.

Btw that's who I forgot from my list...Williams is still on the team.

Giantsfan1080
03-16-2012, 07:36 AM
If physicality is the problem then moving to RT won't help. Chris Williams was soft as hell and was awful at RT because of it.

Btw that's who I forgot from my list...Williams is still on the team.

Well this is true also. I'd rather have him on the bench.

Matthew Jones
03-16-2012, 07:38 AM
The Patriots' 2012 opening day lineup should look like this:

LT: Nate Solder
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Dan Connolly
RG: Brian Waters
RT: Sebastian Vollmer

Marcus Cannon would be the swing backup behind Waters/Vollmer. Matt Light is projected to retire, and Dan Koppen to leave in FA. Either Konz or Zeitler could be first-round options.

fear the elf
03-16-2012, 08:14 AM
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Jason Pinkston
C: Alex Mack
RG: Shawn Lauvao
RT: Oniel Cousins

If the season were to start today, this is how we look. Outside of Thomas and Mack, there's not a lot there to like. Pinkston showed promise as a rookie last year, so I'm not too worried about upgrading him. Lauvao hasn't really seemed to step up in his first two years and Cousins I fully expect to be a backup by the time the season starts or we will have problems.

Grizzlegom
03-16-2012, 08:53 AM
Dolphins:

LT: Jake Long
LG: Richie Incognito
C: Mike Pouncey
RG: Nate Garner/Artis Hicks/John Jerry
RT: Lydon Murtha

All indications are this new regime likes Murtha and is willing to let him win the starting RT job and that's why they low-balled Winston. In addition, after signing Hicks to a $2.5 million deal, they seem content to let the two young guys, Jerry and Garner, battle it out with Hicks to be the starting RG. I expect Miami to draft a couple offensive linemen, a guard and tackle, but I would be surprised if they used a premium pick on either. Thinking one of the 3rd round picks and the 6th or something like that.

NGSeiler
03-16-2012, 08:59 AM
For the Rams...

LT: Rodger Saffold
LG: ???
C: Scott Wells
RG: Harvey Dahl
RT: Jason Smith

Saffold regressed in 2011 and Smith continued to disappoint, but the Jeff Fisher regime may be inclined to at least give Saffold another year as he was solid as a rookie in 2010. The Rams allowed starting LG Jacob Bell and starting centers Jason Brown and Tony Wragge to hit free agency, so there are some major vacancies along the interior of the line. RG Dahl was a quality free agent signing last year.

The Rams signed Packers center Scott Wells so they're set at center. They also have a visit lined up with RT Eric Winston, if he escapes Kansas City. The Rams have been identified as a team that could use its sixth overall pick on an offensive lineman, though I think most Rams fans would tell you they're not crazy about the value of any OL prospects there. The top pick of the second round could be in play for OL, given the number of late first round guys that could slip there.

keylime_5
03-16-2012, 09:05 AM
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Jason Pinkston
C: Alex Mack
RG: Shawn Lauvao
RT: Oniel Cousins

If the season were to start today, this is how we look. Outside of Thomas and Mack, there's not a lot there to like. Pinkston showed promise as a rookie last year, so I'm not too worried about upgrading him. Lauvao hasn't really seemed to step up in his first two years and Cousins I fully expect to be a backup by the time the season starts or we will have problems.

Browns have to bring in a right tackle this offseason (I'm positive they will, whether it be via free agency, draft, or trade). They need another starting guard as well, hopefully they don't feel like Lauvao/Pinkston is gonna work. Last year we started those two and we couldn't run the ball for jack ****.

K Train
03-16-2012, 09:14 AM
Ugh here we go

Marcus Gilbert
No one?
Maurkice Pouncey
Ramon Foster
Willie Colon

Backups- Jonathan Scott, and im pretty sure Legursky and Essex arent under contract yet even if they bring them back.

Marcus Gilbert showed promise last year, fought through injuries, looked smooth in pass protection and showed the ability to recover after getting beat. He will get a shot at LT this season and should win it easily over Jonathan Scott who i cant believe is in the NFL

Kemoeatu was cut, good riddance

Pouncey had ankle problems, but if we get real guards he will make magic again like he did his rookie year.

Ramon Foster is not a starting NFL guard, but a very good backup at guard and probably RT.

Willie Colon has sat out 2 years with injuries, he should be 100% now though, his last injury wasnt as bad of a rehab as his first one. When healthy he is a tremendous drive blocking RT and above average in all aspects of his game. last year before he got hurt i think he looked as good as ever.

Essex is a 330 pound finesse player, statiscally one of the worst guards in the league when he starts. Legursky is a very useful backup center, but not a starter at guard like they wanted to make him. And chris scott is an unknown still pretty much, may battle for LG again.

So basically the steelers need 2 guards, or a guard and center and move pouncey to LG. A guy like Mike Adams is also possible, but imo if they were to draft 2 guards in the first 2-3 rounds this unit could be a beast. I say like the saints if they really sure up the interior the tackles will look like world beaters even if they are average, but i like gilber and colon. so much of what the saints do on offense is credited to the guards. Adding Cordy Glenn and Brandon Brooks or washington/osemele/zeitler would go a long way to making a glaring hole into a strength.

Pouncey woudl be brilliant between 2 340+ pound guards, and colon and gilbert would greatly benefit. The likes of Darnell stapleton, trai essex, sean mahan, and justin hartwig need to stop. Hartwig hasnt played in 2 years and he still leads the league in sacks given up by a center over the last 5...thats ridiculous

Interior needs to be addressed, thats all there is to it

TimmG6376
03-16-2012, 09:18 AM
Packers
LT: Clifton/Newhouse
LG: Lang/Dietrich-Smith/Dominguez
C: ???/Dietrich-Smith
RG: Sitton/Dietrich-Smith/Dominguez
RT: Bulaga/Newhouse/Lang?

Not sure where to put Sherrod at this point. He is definitely a LT but I don't expect him to contribute anything this year coming off of his injury. That's why I think they bring back Clifton hopefully at a reduced salary. I think he'd enter camp as the starter but wouldn't be surprised if Newhouse ended up the LT on opening day.

Center is a mess. Even if they can somehow re-sign Wells there is no depth behind him. They have Genus but he's not a realistic option. If they lose Wells, they'll have to get a veteran FA or rely on starting a rookie, because EDS is not the answer.

phlysac
03-16-2012, 09:30 AM
49ers

Assumed Starters

LT - Joe Staley (27)
LG - Mike Iupati (24)
C - Jonathan Goodwin (33)
RG -
RT - Anthony Davis (22)


Expected 53

Alex Boone (24) - Primary backup at both tackle positions. Was utilized regularly in 2011 in Harbaugh's "Jumbo" packages.

Daniel Kilgore (24) - Trent Baalke traded up to draft him last season, but with Adam Snyder and Chilo Rachal on the roster, Kilgore was never on the active roster. He is expected to have every opportunity to compete for the starting RG position. He is being treated as an option at any interior position.

Mike Person (23) - Drafted just last season, Person is expected to take over the swing role that Adam Snyder had manned for years. Person has seen most of his work at RT but he is being worked at both tackle and guard.


Practice Squad 2011

Chase Beeler - C 6'3" 285lbs. R (24)
Garrett Chisolm - G 6'6" 299lbs. R (23)
Derek Hall - OT 6'5" 307lbs. R (24)
Kenny Wiggins - OT 6'6" 314lbs. R (23)


Subtractions

Adam Snyder - Signed 5-year deal with Cardinals
Chilo Rachal - Still remains a FA. No indication the 49ers plan to bring him back.

Eleven players on the roster. Only one of which over the age of 27.

regoob2
03-16-2012, 09:41 AM
Bears:

Entire Line - Poop

Really:
LT - J'Marcus Webb
LG - Edwin Williams
C - Roberto Garza
RG - Chris Spencer
RT - Gabe Carimi - Lance Louis

God that's awful....I'm not even sure of what other backups we have now that Omiyele has been cut. I think Levi Horn was on our practice squad and he's a tackle.

The saving grace in it all is Cutler. Despite the line, we've gone 11-5 and 7-3 in the last two seasons when he's been healthy. And when he got hurt last year, it wasn't even the fault of the o-line.

I don't know if it's a direction we'll look in the first round since I think DE will provide a little better value and is a more gaping hole, but I don' think it would hurt to add depth/competition with some of our other picks.

You're forgetting about Chris Williams. Edwin Williams wont be starting.

BeerBaron
03-16-2012, 09:42 AM
You're forgetting about Chris Williams. Edwin Williams wont be starting.

Neither should be starting. I'm not sure either should be on an NFL roster. But we have what we have. I realized that I left out (Chris) Williams a few posts later.

A Perfect Score
03-16-2012, 09:51 AM
TACKLE has a much more optimistic view of the Ravens offensive line then I do. We'd rather pay Bryant McKinnie 4.5 million dollars a year then resign Ben Grubbs. That should tell you everything you need to know about our offensive line.

regoob2
03-16-2012, 09:54 AM
Neither should be starting. I'm not sure either should be on an NFL roster. But we have what we have. I realized that I left out (Chris) Williams a few posts later.
Williams wasnt bad last season. He's a starting caliber player it's just the injuries.

vidae
03-16-2012, 10:01 AM
TACKLE has a much more optimistic view of the Ravens offensive line then I do. We'd rather pay Bryant McKinnie 4.5 million dollars a year then resign Ben Grubbs. That should tell you everything you need to know about our offensive line.

For a guy who thinks he can run an NFL franchise, you sure don't care about the salary cap. That is a pretty big part of it, I think.

bigmac076
03-16-2012, 10:02 AM
For the Cowboys:

LT - Tyron Smith - Jermey Parnell
LG - Kyle Kosier - David Arkin
C - Phil Costa - Kevin Kowalski
RG - Mackenzy Bernadeau - Bill Nagy
RT - Doug Free

Now this is the current setup, I assure you this will NOT be the lineup on week 1. Rumors of sliding Kosier to C and picking up at least one, probably two more guards in the draft/FA.

A Perfect Score
03-16-2012, 10:10 AM
For a guy who thinks he can run an NFL franchise, you sure don't care about the salary cap. That is a pretty big part of it, I think.

Explain to me why exactly cutting McKinnie (set to make nearly 4.5 million dollars next year) and allocating that money, combined with some of the 7.7 million we have left to resign Grubbs, who got a deal averaging 7.2 million dollars, is unrealistic? The cap is set to jump significantly in 2014 and we're going to lose big salaries in Ray and Reed soon. Forgive me if I'm skeptical of letting a young, elite player walk in FA when resources could have been spent retaining him. Moving Oher to LT and starting Reid at RT wouldn't be any worse then having that useless fatass McKinnie at LT. I fail to see how any of this is unrealistic and any different then what 10 franchises have already done in FA. You cut old ****** players to resign young, elite ones. Or maybe you're right Vidae, letting him walk for nothing is going to make our offensive line stronger. After all, we've got Bryant McKinnie protecting Flacco for Cam Cameron's repeated 5 and 7 step drops!

TACKLE
03-16-2012, 10:12 AM
TACKLE has a much more optimistic view of the Ravens offensive line then I do. We'd rather pay Bryant McKinnie 4.5 million dollars a year then resign Ben Grubbs. That should tell you everything you need to know about our offensive line.

ummm....it does? :confuse:

Diehard
03-16-2012, 10:16 AM
Broncos:

LT - Ryan Clady
LG - Zane Beadles
C - J.D. Walton
RG - Chris Kuper
RT - Orlando Franklin

sixth man - T Ryan Harris

At tackle, the team seems set. Franklin started as a rookie and is a road grader, but needs to work on pass protect. Clady is solid on the other side. Harris is starter quality, but is so injury prone that he can't be relied on to play a full season.

Guard is a position with some question marks. Kuper is recovering from a serious injury - if healthy, he's the line leader and a solid starter. Beadles can pull well but otherwise he's very inconsistent. This is the most likely place to see an upgrade in the draft given the quality interior OL prospects available and the Broncos draft position.

At center, Walton has shown some progress but again, is inconsistent. He sometimes looks lost in pass protect. The fact that Beadles and Walton are side-by-side doesn't help. Firming up one of the two spots (C, LG) would benefit the other as well.

If a good option at RT came along, or if the team was really confident in Ryan Harris' health (big mistake IMO), they might consider moving Orlando Franklin to guard.

A Perfect Score
03-16-2012, 10:17 AM
ummm....it does? :confuse:

I think that statement is fairly demonstrative of the current state of our offensive line. Like I said, you're much more optimistic then I am. I gave up on next season when we resigned Cam Cameron though.

Of course the real reason we didn't resign Grubbs is because we're about to give Flacco 80 million dollars, which is problematic in and of itself. This hell of an offseason is getting worse instead of better. We're going to end up with Jonathon Martin in the first round.

Damix
03-16-2012, 10:50 AM
Beatty was awful in what I saw of him last year.

And the alternative? The run game sucked just as much with Diehl in there at LT and the the upgrade in pass protection was absolutely minimal.

Taber21
03-16-2012, 10:55 AM
Vikings Projected O-Line:

LT: Matt Kalil (3rd overall), DeMarcus Love
LG: Charlie Johnson, Joe Berger
C: John Sullivan, Bruce Frusco
RG: FA and/or Draft
RT: Phil Loadholt, Patrick Brown

Most people believe Matt Kalil is the pick @ 3 so we will go off the assumption he is. Charlie Johnson played LG earlier in his career, and is expected to return there. John Sullivan was arguably our best offensive lineman this past season, and certainly was once Hutch went down, resigned long term during the year. Loadholt is serviceable at RT, nothing special but was a 2nd round pick a couple years ago and started every game since. Big hole at RG, released Herrera a few days ago. Frusco started some games for us but is best suited in a backup role.

Unbiased
03-16-2012, 11:56 AM
Jaguars

LT: Eugene Monroe
LG: Will Rackley
C: Brad Meester
RG: Uche Nwaneri
RT: Eben Britton

Monroe and Nwaneri are solid players, not going anywhere. Rackley was bad as a rookie, but will definitely be given another shot as the starter. Meester has been up and down the last 3 years and he's about 33 or 34. Replacement will be needed soon. Britton needs to stay healthy. Hard to even evaluate how good he is right now. So center is the only position that we for sure need to fix, with possibility of LG and RT next offseason.

nepg
03-16-2012, 12:05 PM
The Patriots' 2012 opening day lineup should look like this:

LT: Nate Solder
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Dan Connolly
RG: Brian Waters
RT: Sebastian Vollmer

Marcus Cannon would be the swing backup behind Waters/Vollmer. Matt Light is projected to retire, and Dan Koppen to leave in FA. Either Konz or Zeitler could be first-round options.
It was quite possibly the best offensive line in the NFL last year. Connolly (29) has at least a few more years and Wendell is only 25. Really don't see C as a need or a position they're particularly worried about at this point. Before Koppen got injured and they were forced to use someone else? Yeah. After we saw what Connolly/Wendell can do? Nope.

They might bring in another OT if Light retires so Cannon can start getting work at RG, but that line is pretty well set at this point.

cmarq83
03-16-2012, 12:11 PM
It was quite possibly the best offensive line in the NFL last year. Connolly (29) has at least a few more years and Wendell is only 25. Really don't see C as a need or a position they're particularly worried about at this point. Before Koppen got injured and they were forced to use someone else? Yeah. After we saw what Connolly/Wendell can do? Nope.

They might bring in another OT if Light retires so Cannon can start getting work at RG, but that line is pretty well set at this point.

Waters is probably in his last year, and I believe the team has said that they view Cannon as more of a tackle than a guard. Plus, next year the Vollmer situation is going to be a big topic. I could very easily see them franchising him and then trading him if they're confident with Solder and Cannon. I doubt BB will want to pay Vollmer the kind of cash that he can potentially make with his skillset.

With the picks they have, I doubt BB would hesitate to take Konz or Zeitler if they're the highest rated players on his board.

dan77733
03-16-2012, 12:42 PM
49ers

LT Joe Staley
LG Mike Iupati
C Jonathan Goodwin
RG ???
RT Anthony Davis

4/5 are set. I wanted them to re-sign Snyder for at least two years. Now, im hoping they sign veteran OG Jake Scott who was replaced by Hutchinson in TEN. Wouldnt be surprised if they traded up in the draft to acquire DeCastro.

Nalej
03-16-2012, 12:55 PM
Waters is probably in his last year, and I believe the team has said that they view Cannon as more of a tackle than a guard. Plus, next year the Vollmer situation is going to be a big topic. I could very easily see them franchising him and then trading him if they're confident with Solder and Cannon. I doubt BB will want to pay Vollmer the kind of cash that he can potentially make with his skillset.

With the picks they have, I doubt BB would hesitate to take Konz or Zeitler if they're the highest rated players on his board.

Boom. I have similar thoughts.
I see Vollmer being let go/traded, Cannon starting at RT.
If we get Konz, he starts at C with Connolly at RG
If we go with Zeitler, Connolly stays at C with Z-man manning the RG spot

BeerBaron
03-16-2012, 12:59 PM
No mention of the fact that Solder kind of sucked last year? I mean, he was raw and wasn't even supposed to be on the field, but he was bad more often than not when I saw him.

I recall in the Ravens playoff game for instance, Paul Kruger using him like a turnstyle on 2 straight plays. And Paul Kruger is nothing special.

Hopefully he improves but seriously, a LOT of people were wary of him in the draft for these reasons. I didn't even have him as a first rounder.

cmarq83
03-16-2012, 01:10 PM
No mention of the fact that Solder kind of sucked last year? I mean, he was raw and wasn't even supposed to be on the field, but he was bad more often than not when I saw him.

I recall in the Ravens playoff game for instance, Paul Kruger using him like a turnstyle on 2 straight plays. And Paul Kruger is nothing special.

Hopefully he improves but seriously, a LOT of people were wary of him in the draft for these reasons. I didn't even have him as a first rounder.

He was up and down for most of the year. He'd usually make a glaring mistake every couple of games, but had stretches against some pretty good guys where he certainly held his own. I'd venture to say that he was as good as any rookie offensive tackle outside of Smith and . I certainly wasn't disappointed and am definitely encouraged considering we all knew he was a work in progress when we drafted him. The Kruger thing was probably his low point for the entire season. Plus, Scarneccia is a miracle worker, any high upside guy usually turns out pretty good with him after a couple years of tutelage.

A Perfect Score
03-16-2012, 01:14 PM
No mention of the fact that Solder kind of sucked last year? I mean, he was raw and wasn't even supposed to be on the field, but he was bad more often than not when I saw him.

I recall in the Ravens playoff game for instance, Paul Kruger using him like a turnstyle on 2 straight plays. And Paul Kruger is nothing special.

Hopefully he improves but seriously, a LOT of people were wary of him in the draft for these reasons. I didn't even have him as a first rounder.

That's a bit of an understatement. He's been an extremely large disappointment to date, in fact.

bigbluedefense
03-16-2012, 05:20 PM
I noticed that 95% of us are unhappy with our teams offensive lines. I think literally only 2 or 3 teams' fans are pleased with their olines, the rest of us kill our lines bc we have unrealistic expectations of them.

bucfan12
03-16-2012, 05:23 PM
Bucs:

LT: Donald Penn
LG: Carl Nicks :)
C: Jeremy Zuttah
RG: Davin Joseph
RT: Jeremy Trueblood

Consists of 3 Pro Bowlers in Joseph (2), Penn (1), and Nicks (3), with Nicks a 2 time All Pro. Zuttah's best position is Center, where he's been above average there when filling in for Faine each season. Trueblood is average, has the potential to be better, but is probably our weakest option.

I think Penn/Nicks/Joseph will make Trueblood perform and work harder, along with Zuttah.

I'd rank our line in the top 10 now.

themaninblack
03-16-2012, 05:32 PM
My $.02 for ze Bengs.

LT- Andrew Whitworth-- One of the most well rounded LTs in the league, his strength is in the run game but he also excels in pass pro as well. Underrated to an extent but starting to get some of the credit he's deserved for a few years now. Best player on our line without question and could be an All-Pro caliber guard for us if we needed it.

LG- Vacant now due to the loss of Nate Livings. I'd assume Clint Boling would be penciled in as the starter at the moment. I think he could be a good starter in this league but I'd definitely like to see him have at least another year of seasoning. Needs to get stronger in the run game from what I saw last year but he does have some ability. Could start here or at RG depending on what we do in the draft/free agency.

C- Kyle Cook-- Solid player who seems to catch a lot of flak around these parts but is generally not a liability in any one aspect though he does seem to have a bit of trouble with some of the NTs in the 3-4, especially in our division. That can be one of the toughest types of players to block especially with having to block them nearly one handed initially so I give him the benefit of the doubt. I think it's more the Guard's fault generally when a NT is making plays on us.

RG- Vacant as of right now the only other Guard on our roster is Otis Hudson who has never seen the field from what I remember. Were definitely gonna have to draft at least one and hopefully this spot is occupied by either David DeCastro or Kordy Glenn next year.

RT- Andre Smith-- Has steadily improved with more playing time to the point where I think he can be a damn good RT for us for many years. A force in the run game with ample skills to be an effective pass protector as well. Really hope he can stay healthy/keep his head on straight and continue to develop into the type of stud we all know he can be. Would like to see him get re-signed to a multi-year incentive laden contract after this year. I've always been a bit of an Andre Smith homer but he really seemed to put it all together this year.

IMO Guard is the biggest need on this entire team bar none. If we come out of the draft with DeCastro or Glenn I will be ecstatic. I'm expecting us to sign a Guard in free agency as well but it seems like some slim pickins now.

Rosebud
03-16-2012, 07:31 PM
I noticed that 95% of us are unhappy with our teams offensive lines. I think literally only 2 or 3 teams' fans are pleased with their olines, the rest of us kill our lines bc we have unrealistic expectations of them.

It's cause we're football nerds, we all love great OL play and want our teams to have dominant OLs, so when we don't we're disappointed...kinda like you're going to be when Beatty starts this season, does a pretty solid job against the passrush but gets pushed around in the running game.

Rosebud
03-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Well this is true also. I'd rather have him on the bench.

He really wasn't terrible in pass pro. Yeah he was unbelievably weak in the running game but he's done an ok job before when fully healthy. Staying healthy and keeping his weight up have unfortunately been massive problems for him. I don't expect him to be anything more than mediocre overall next year, but I do think he'll be not-pathetic in the running game, especially if Petrus wins the LG spot and plays next to him.

Rosebud
03-16-2012, 09:16 PM
LT: Will Beatty/Diehl
LG: Kevin Boothe/Mitch Petrus
C: Davis Baas/Boothe
RG: Chris Snee/Mitch Petrus
RT: David Diehl/James Brewer

This is how I expect the opening day lineup to be.

Seems about right. Would love to see us draft Glenn, Adams or Osemele and for Petrus to beat out Bootie, but otherwise I think you're right.

scottyboy
03-16-2012, 09:25 PM
i'm with giants fans, I'd love an upgrade over Beatty and I'm content with Diehl starting on either side.

Also, I LOVE the Bucs oline. Love it

Rosebud
03-16-2012, 09:32 PM
i'm with giants fans, I'd love an upgrade over Beatty and I'm content with Diehl starting on either side.

Also, I LOVE the Bucs oline. Love it

It really bums me out he never managed to just add that extra 10-15 pounds of muscle he'd need to be able to assert himself in the running game. He was a great run blocker in college where guys weren't big and strong enough to just bull rush right through him. He's got good burst out of his stance, moves his feet well, gets those long arms in on defenders and just doesn't have the raw strength to hold up at this level. I really had high hopes for him when we got him, especially with how long the guy is I thought bulking up wouldn't be a problem with NFL S&C.

Vox Populi
03-17-2012, 08:50 AM
Right now the Bills offensive line looks like this heading into next season.

LT: ???/Chris Hairston
LG: Andy Levitre
C: Eric Wood
RG: Kraig Urbik
RT: Erik Pears

Demetrius Bell was the original starter at LT last season but was injured for a lot of the season, and when he went down is when the offense started to slow down because the Bills had to keep Fred Jackson in as a 6th blocker instead of using him as a receiver on most passing plays. At this point, the Bills will either re-sign Bell, or they will probably draft a LT like Reiff at 10 in the first round. Hairston and Chad Rinehart are solid depth players who together can basically take over as injury replacements for all 5 positions on the line which is great.

The Bills offensive line was actually really solid last year, and probably top 10 before Wood and Bell got injured. Wood and Bell are among the better players at their respective positions and both are highly versatile. A lot of the lines effectiveness could probably be attributed to Gailey's scheme that spreads defenses out to open big running lanes, and the passing game that runs a looooooot of shotgun sets and Fitzpatrick getting the ball out quickly. Either way, its a scheme that doesn't demand top notch, big contract blockers which is why I'd rather see them re-sign Bell and just accept his susceptibility to injuries and have faith in Hairston's abilities as a backup and then go after Floyd in the 1st round this year instead of having to pick Reiff or Martin.

I_C_DeadPeople
03-17-2012, 08:51 AM
I noticed that 95% of us are unhappy with our teams offensive lines. I think literally only 2 or 3 teams' fans are pleased with their olines, the rest of us kill our lines bc we have unrealistic expectations of them.


These things go in cycles but right now I would say in the league there is a definite shortage of good OL and safeties.

Justone2
03-17-2012, 09:04 AM
Well its also on OL you are as weak as your weakest link. That is why there is a shortage cause you simply can't have at least average guys on each position on each team. Besides that with the more and more athletic pass rushers the older C's and G's are having more and more trouble holding it up with just their technique and mental strengths.

Vox Populi
03-17-2012, 09:24 AM
I definitely disagree about there being a shortage of offensive line talent in the league right now. Just look at how many LT's there are in the league alone, supposedly the hardest position on the line to fill. The problem people on this board seem to have is that they fail to recognize that there are certain guys that you just can't shut down. Sam Baker at some point in a game will get abused by JPP, Jared Allen, Demarcus Ware, etc. but so would pretty much every offensive lineman on every team in every generation of the NFL ever.

I also think the fact that teams are passing more now hurts the perception of a lot of offensive lines, especially with the WCO falling out of favour and a lot more teams using plays that take longer to develop with deeper drops for under center. I don't think its a coincidence that teams that run the ball the most are the ones viewed as having the more talented and/or successful offensive lines. Among passing teams, I also don't think its much of a coincidence that teams that like to spread things out like the Saints and Patriots have a lot of success up front as well. I mentioned it in my post about the Bills, but looking at their lineup most people would say it has to be one of the least talented in the league, but they performed like a top unit in large part because of the scheme that Gailey runs.

BeerBaron
03-17-2012, 12:14 PM
I noticed that 95% of us are unhappy with our teams offensive lines. I think literally only 2 or 3 teams' fans are pleased with their olines, the rest of us kill our lines bc we have unrealistic expectations of them.

You'll note that I'm in the legitimate portion with realistic expectations yet I still hate my o-line. You would too.

If there is someone out there who would trade your line for the Bears line, you let me know so I can laugh.

DeepThreat
03-17-2012, 12:16 PM
Cleveland has one elite offensive lineman, one very good, two unknown/sucky, and one position with absolutely no one.

gpngc
03-17-2012, 12:33 PM
I noticed that 95% of us are unhappy with our teams offensive lines. I think literally only 2 or 3 teams' fans are pleased with their olines, the rest of us kill our lines bc we have unrealistic expectations of them.

Because fans typically rarely notice when an offensive lineman is doing his job well, but ALWAYS notice when an offensive lineman screws up. On a play where a QB throws into double coverage and results in a pick, the OL could have performed great but no one notices because of the result of the play.

Same with safeties, which is why every fanbase thinks they have awful safeties. You don't see 50% of their good plays (which result in opposing QBs throwing away from their coverage/incomplete pass/etc.). You just see them get beat.

Also, OL and DBs are going up against the best athletes on the field - DL and WR. And for different reasons, those positions have unique advantages over their opponents. For DL, they are more fresh and have more freedom to freelance in order to get over on their opponents. For WR, they simply know where they are going while DBs are reacting.

I find it funny how quick fans are to say "_______ sucks" or "is worthless" because they've seen him get beat and then wonder why the guy plays or gets signed as a FA.

Playing OL and DB is extremely difficult because of their opponents and the nature of their assignments, and thankless because television broadcasts do not typically highlight performances of OL and DB unless they provide a certain type of entertainment value or you get lucky and they show a replay or circle a pulling guard. They'll never just show you a guard doing his job on a typical 5-step drop incompletion. Or a safety getting over quick enough in C2 to make the QB go to his next read.

bigbluedefense
03-17-2012, 02:39 PM
Because fans typically rarely notice when an offensive lineman is doing his job well, but ALWAYS notice when an offensive lineman screws up. On a play where a QB throws into double coverage and results in a pick, the OL could have performed great but no one notices because of the result of the play.

Same with safeties, which is why every fanbase thinks they have awful safeties. You don't see 50% of their good plays (which result in opposing QBs throwing away from their coverage/incomplete pass/etc.). You just see them get beat.

Also, OL and DBs are going up against the best athletes on the field - DL and WR. And for different reasons, those positions have unique advantages over their opponents. For DL, they are more fresh and have more freedom to freelance in order to get over on their opponents. For WR, they simply know where they are going while DBs are reacting.

I find it funny how quick fans are to say "_______ sucks" or "is worthless" because they've seen him get beat and then wonder why the guy plays or gets signed as a FA.

Playing OL and DB is extremely difficult because of their opponents and the nature of their assignments, and thankless because television broadcasts do not typically highlight performances of OL and DB unless they provide a certain type of entertainment value or you get lucky and they show a replay or circle a pulling guard. They'll never just show you a guard doing his job on a typical 5-step drop incompletion. Or a safety getting over quick enough in C2 to make the QB go to his next read.

Yup. And I think offenses are at a significant disadvantage for one simple reason: On every play, you must have 5 OL lineup in the same general positions. I'm actually going to make a thread on this, defenses have figured out another fundamental flaw of offenses. Buddy Ryan was the first to figure out that the defense has the offense outnumbered, but now defenses figured out another flaw: You must keep 5 OL in to block every play. So if you send 5 guys from one side against 3 OL bc the other 2 are completely away from the blitz, you outnumber the pass protection.

And I don't care if you have the 90s Cowboys as your oline, when you scheme it up like that on defense, no OL is going to block that.

I definitely disagree about there being a shortage of offensive line talent in the league right now. Just look at how many LT's there are in the league alone, supposedly the hardest position on the line to fill. The problem people on this board seem to have is that they fail to recognize that there are certain guys that you just can't shut down. Sam Baker at some point in a game will get abused by JPP, Jared Allen, Demarcus Ware, etc. but so would pretty much every offensive lineman on every team in every generation of the NFL ever.

I also think the fact that teams are passing more now hurts the perception of a lot of offensive lines, especially with the WCO falling out of favour and a lot more teams using plays that take longer to develop with deeper drops for under center. I don't think its a coincidence that teams that run the ball the most are the ones viewed as having the more talented and/or successful offensive lines. Among passing teams, I also don't think its much of a coincidence that teams that like to spread things out like the Saints and Patriots have a lot of success up front as well. I mentioned it in my post about the Bills, but looking at their lineup most people would say it has to be one of the least talented in the league, but they performed like a top unit in large part because of the scheme that Gailey runs.

Yup ^ I agree with all of it.

You'll note that I'm in the legitimate portion with realistic expectations yet I still hate my o-line. You would too.

If there is someone out there who would trade your line for the Bears line, you let me know so I can laugh.

Yeah, there are fan bases that have a legit reason to hate their OL. The Bears are clearly one of those teams.

But you look at a team ilke the Packers, like the Patriots, like the Giants, like the Cowboys, all these teams have average to below average OLs but still put up points, and are great offenses. You have to understand as a fan that there's a give and take, you can't have it all. As long as you score points successfully, you're ok on the OL.

Your OL is gonna give up pressures, it's going to give up sacks. It happens. But if your offense is scoring points at a very efficient pace like the above stated teams, then your OL is doing their job.

I'm fine with our OL, as long as Beatty doesn't start. The rest of it is perfectly fine with me. It's mediocre, but it's good enough.

Miaoww
03-18-2012, 08:17 AM
For the Panthers:

LT: Gross
LG: ?
C: Kalil
RG: ?
RT: ?

Hangartner is probably going to start at one of the G positions. Theoretically Otah is going to start at RT, but he's missed the last two seasons with injuries. Bell started all last season at RT and did ok - so he could be plugged in somewhere along the line too.

Basically the Panthers O-line is up in the air at the moment. Newton makes them look much better than they actually are due to his mobility.

T-RICH49
03-18-2012, 08:26 AM
For The Chiefs:

LT: Albert
LG: Lilja
C: Hudson
RG: Asamoah
RT: Winston

Bills2083
03-18-2012, 08:31 AM
Right now the Bills offensive line looks like this heading into next season.

LT: ???/Chris Hairston
LG: Andy Levitre
C: Eric Wood
RG: Kraig Urbik
RT: Erik Pears

Demetrius Bell was the original starter at LT last season but was injured for a lot of the season, and when he went down is when the offense started to slow down because the Bills had to keep Fred Jackson in as a 6th blocker instead of using him as a receiver on most passing plays. At this point, the Bills will either re-sign Bell, or they will probably draft a LT like Reiff at 10 in the first round. Hairston and Chad Rinehart are solid depth players who together can basically take over as injury replacements for all 5 positions on the line which is great.

The Bills offensive line was actually really solid last year, and probably top 10 before Wood and Bell got injured. Wood and Bell are among the better players at their respective positions and both are highly versatile. A lot of the lines effectiveness could probably be attributed to Gailey's scheme that spreads defenses out to open big running lanes, and the passing game that runs a looooooot of shotgun sets and Fitzpatrick getting the ball out quickly. Either way, its a scheme that doesn't demand top notch, big contract blockers which is why I'd rather see them re-sign Bell and just accept his susceptibility to injuries and have faith in Hairston's abilities as a backup and then go after Floyd in the 1st round this year instead of having to pick Reiff or Martin.

This is from a poster on another board and he put it better than I ever could:

It's been discussed at length, and even backed up by Nix & Gailey, that the lack of sacks against vs this O-line is system based. They had to get rid of the ball quickly because the protection was not consistent on 5 & 7 step drops. Nix said they want to evolve the offense to take more chances down the field and they can not do this with the current tackles.

The rushing game was good because this offense led the league in 3 WR (or more) sets, when you are spread out that much you're only going to face 5-6 defenders in the box the majority of a game. It's easy to run vs Nickle & Dime defenses.

Offensive lineman can come in right away and play and the Bills HAVE to have someone to come in right away and play. If they believe that there is a guy there at 10 that can come in and play and protect Fitz's blind side they have to pull the trigger on him.

The LT has a huge void right now and going back to Bell is not a viable option. Gailey himself says that they're not sure that Hariston can get to the point where he can play out there full time. They say he has potential to do so but he's not there yet.

TheFinisher
03-18-2012, 08:58 AM
Cowboys

LT: Tyron Smith
LG: Mackenze Bernadaeu/David Arkin
C: Phil Costa/Kevin Kowalski
RG: Nate Livings/Bill Nagy
RT: Doug Free/Jeremy Parnell

We're pretty much set at Tackle but the interior is a question mark. Arkin was a 4th Round pick last year from a small school that basically redshirted last season but hopefully he's developed enough to the point where he can compete for a job in TC. If not, we replaced aging veterans Kosier, Holland and Dockery with Livings and Bernadaeu who will be given an opportunity to earn a starting spot. Center is probably the biggest need as Phil Costa was an abomination last year as starter and Kowalski is nothing to get get excited about as an UDFA.

King Carls 5 Year Plan
03-18-2012, 09:52 AM
For The Chiefs:

LT: Albert
LG: Lilja
C: Hudson
RG: Asamoah
RT: Winston

if it were up to me, we'd take DeCastro @ #11 and he would take Liljas place at LG. That would be an elite line for at least 5 years

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-18-2012, 10:58 AM
That's a bit of an understatement. He's been an extremely large disappointment to date, in fact.

extremely large disappointment to date? I could understand this comment if it was made last year but Kruger just came off his best season of his career(5.5 sacks as a situational pass rusher, not bad for someone who half the fan-base wrote off) and was a large part of the reason why we let Jarret Johnson go.

LonghornsLegend
03-18-2012, 11:36 AM
Cowboys

LT: Tyron Smith
LG: Mackenze Bernadaeu/David Arkin
C: Phil Costa/Kevin Kowalski
RG: Nate Livings/Bill Nagy
RT: Doug Free/Jeremy Parnell

We're pretty much set at Tackle but the interior is a question mark. Arkin was a 4th Round pick last year from a small school that basically redshirted last season but hopefully he's developed enough to the point where he can compete for a job in TC. If not, we replaced aging veterans Kosier, Holland and Dockery with Livings and Bernadaeu who will be given an opportunity to earn a starting spot. Center is probably the biggest need as Phil Costa was an abomination last year as starter and Kowalski is nothing to get get excited about as an UDFA.



Just to piggy back off you a little, this is the reason why DeCastro isn't making it anywhere past 14, if he's even there at that point.


Tyron played excellent. He had his rookie moments when he was beat but he was a rock out there and played a majority of the season at 20 years old. Held his weight up, and showed much better strength then expected. His feet were as advertised, the move to LT will be seamless as he was made to play on that side.


Doug Free had a big drop off season. Most think he had bigger back problems then he let on, because his play from 2010 and 2011 wasn't even close. His move back to RT will do him some good, he just doesn't have the feet on the left side to stick with the elite pass rushers.



Right now our interior line is a big question mark. We don't have anyone that is going to be a sure fire good player across the board there, which is why DeCastro makes everyone else slide in much better.

nobodyinparticular
03-18-2012, 12:09 PM
Raiders
LT - Veldheer
LG - Wisniewski (could/should move to center)
C - None under contract.
RG - None under contract.
RT - Barksdale, Bruce Campbell

Neither Barksdale nor Campbell has given any indication that they can contribute, let alone start.

It's been reported that the Raiders have no interest in bringing Satele back.

Going zone heavy should make the line easier to rebuild, but make no mistake. This O-line is getting a reboot. Jared Veldheer is the only guy all but assured to maintain his position. Wiz II will start, but where remains to be seen. The other 3/5 of the line is completely up in the air, and none of those 3 appear to be on the current roster.

Mark Brisiel of the Texans is supposed to be coming in to talk. He should secure one guard spot, durability issues not withstanding.

As of right now, there are only two viable offensive linemen on the roster. Two entrenched starters and nonexistent depth. Scary.

As bad as the defense was last year, it may well have to take a back seat to the retooling of the O-line. We can't leave our INT prone QB and brittle RB hung out to dry.

I'll update this.

Raiders
LT - Veldheer
LG - None under contract.
C -Wisniewski (could/should move to center)
RG - Brisiel
RT - Barksdale, Bruce Campbell

The expectation is that Barksdale will fill one of these slots--probably RT at the time. Campbell may slide into a guard spot, but who knows. At this point in time, the Raiders need at LEAST one more lineman who you can really count on. Then they need another 2 or 3 linemen to provide depth. If that means a stud RT and moving Barksdale inside, that will do. Otherwise, Raiders need to make another signing at OG.

fenikz
03-18-2012, 06:36 PM
LT
LG Colledge
C Sendlein
RG Synder
RT Brown

Mitchell
03-18-2012, 07:08 PM
LT, Trent Williams: Was above average as a rookie, but was elite as a sophomore. If he can stay off the drugs, he'll be a perennial pro bowler. But, by no means is he at a Chris Samuels level.

LG, Kory Lichtensteiger: The perfect zone blocker. He's terrific at getting up the field because of his size, but if he's in a one on one with a dominant lineman, he's in trouble.

C, Will Montgomery: Competent would be the best way to describe him. Hasn't had any problems with snaps and doesn't struggle with blocking.

RG, Chris Chester: Terrible. He can't zone block. He's beaten by speed rushers almost every other snap. Only a matter of time before he's released.

RT, Jammal Brown: When healthy, he's great.
RT, Willie Smith: The likely successor to J. Brown. I thought he played unreal considering his draft ranking. He looked very solid.

All in all, the Redskins left side is very good at blocking both the QB and RBs. The right side on the other hand is full of question marks. I have no idea how Chris Chester started playoff games for the Ravens, he's completely useless.

Caddy
03-18-2012, 07:36 PM
Jamaal Brown has been crap for a while now.

Matthew Jones
03-19-2012, 06:17 PM
The Patriots' current offensive line depth chart should look something like this:

LT: Matt Light - Nate Solder

LG: Logan Mankins - Robert Gallery

C: Dan Connolly - Ryan Wendell

RG: Brian Waters - Donald Thomas

RT: Sebastian Vollmer - Marcus Cannon

New England will most likely attempt to stash offensive tackles Kyle Hix and Matt Kopa on the practice squad. Nick McDonald could make the team over Donald Thomas due to his versatility between center and guard. If Matt Light is released or retires as expected in order to make room for Nate Solder, a backup left tackle such as Mark LeVoir could be signed. Dan Koppen was not expected back even before Dan Connolly re-signed and Robert Gallery signed.

Splat
03-19-2012, 06:19 PM
if it were up to me, we'd take DeCastro @ #11 and he would take Liljas place at LG. That would be an elite line for at least 5 years

I could live with this.

ChiFan24
03-19-2012, 06:33 PM
I noticed that 95% of us are unhappy with our teams offensive lines. I think literally only 2 or 3 teams' fans are pleased with their olines, the rest of us kill our lines bc we have unrealistic expectations of them.

It's the same reason everyone thinks every safety sucks.

GaMeTiMe
03-20-2012, 12:51 AM
Is this worth doing for every set of positions? (skill, DB, front-7?)

gpngc
03-20-2012, 12:59 AM
Is this worth doing for every set of positions? (skill, DB, front-7?)

Maybe. But I chose OL for the reason I explained in the first post. Also because we generally don't know if a lesser name guy is starting quality or not. Or if a guy is over the hill.

We do know that with, for example, wide receivers.

Abaddon
04-02-2012, 03:36 PM
I'll update this.

Raiders
LT - Veldheer
LG - None under contract.
C -Wisniewski (could/should move to center)
RG - Brisiel
RT - Barksdale, Bruce Campbell

The expectation is that Barksdale will fill one of these slots--probably RT at the time. Campbell may slide into a guard spot, but who knows. At this point in time, the Raiders need at LEAST one more lineman who you can really count on. Then they need another 2 or 3 linemen to provide depth. If that means a stud RT and moving Barksdale inside, that will do. Otherwise, Raiders need to make another signing at OG.

And now it's...


LT - Jared Veldheer
LG - Cooper Carlisle
C - Stephan Wisniewski
RG - Mike Brisiel
RT - Khalif Barnes

Only Joseph raggedy azz Barksdale there for depth. Need a minimum 3 new linemen here. Honestly, 4. Carlisle and Barnes are only here to hold the fort down until long term answers can be found.

senormysterioso
04-02-2012, 04:49 PM
My guess for the Packers;
LT: Clifton/Newhouse/Sherrod
LG: Lang/Dietrich-Smith/Dominguez
C: Saturday/Dietrich-Smith
RG: Sitton/Dietrich-Smith/Dominguez
RT: Bulaga/Newhouse/Sherrod/Lang?

vidae
04-02-2012, 06:49 PM
As it stands right now for KC:

LT: Branden Albert
LG: Ryan Lilja
C: Rodney Hudson
RG: Jon Asamoah
RT: Eric Winston

Good line. Biggest weakness is Lilja at LG and he's solid. I want DeCastro but we'll see what happens.

nobodyinparticular
04-02-2012, 10:22 PM
And now it's...


LT - Jared Veldheer
LG - Cooper Carlisle
C - Stephan Wisniewski
RG - Mike Brisiel
RT - Khalif Barnes

Only Joseph raggedy azz Barksdale there for depth. Need a minimum 3 new linemen here. Honestly, 4. Carlisle and Barnes are only here to hold the fort down until long term answers can be found.

Hopefully neither get significant PT this year. Raiders need 2 upgrades NOW.

WCH
04-02-2012, 10:55 PM
My guess for the Packers;
LT: Clifton/Newhouse/Sherrod
LG: Lang/Dietrich-Smith/Dominguez
C: Saturday/Dietrich-Smith
RG: Sitton/Dietrich-Smith/Dominguez
RT: Bulaga/Newhouse/Sherrod/Lang?

That's my best guess, also. There are a lot of rumors that they've planned to cut Clifton, though. Will Sherrod be healthy enough to compete in camp? Do they kick Bulaga to the left and start Newhouse at RT? Leave Bulaga at RT and start Newhouse at LT?

I think that Sherrod's uninspiring play and subsequent injury really screwed up their plans to cut Clifton this offseason.

Abaddon
04-03-2012, 12:01 AM
Hopefully neither get significant PT this year. Raiders need 2 upgrades NOW.

I'm better Barnes starts the entire season. :facepalm:

RaiderNation
04-03-2012, 12:06 AM
I think Barksdale will get his shot at the RT spot at some point this season, we will see what happens with him though he could end up like Bruce Campbell is he doesn't show anything to the coaches.

We have 3 combined in the 4th and 5th round, and I expect thats where we look to potentially add a RT/OG depth.

3rd- Pass Rusher/OLB
4th- DT
5th- OL
5th- FS
6th- RB/TE