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vidae
03-21-2012, 11:51 AM
Here is the fallout of the league decision on the Saints:

-Sean Payton suspended the entire season without pay, effective April 1st.
-Gregg Williams suspended indefinitely, effective immediately.
-Joe Vitt suspended the first 6 games of the 2012 season.
-Mickey Loomis suspended 8 games.
-They lose a second round pick this year (2012) and next (2013).
-The team is fined $500,000.

Wow. Didn't expect something this harsh.

edit: 5/2, player suspensions are as follows:

-Jonathan Vilma suspended for one year.
-Anthony Hargrove suspended 8 games.
-Will Smith suspended for 4 games.
-Scott Fujita suspended for 3 games.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 11:52 AM
A WHOLE season for Payton?! WOW, talk about overkill.

Pete Carmichael, Jr... time for you to do your thing, sir!

WMD
03-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Saints also lose 2nd rounders this year and next year. The franchise was fined $500,000

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Kudos to the NFL for coming down hard on this. Was not expecting anything close to this bad.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Gregg Williams suspended indefinitely as well

Giantsfan1080
03-21-2012, 11:53 AM
Talk about coming down hard.

killxswitch
03-21-2012, 11:54 AM
The Pats lost a 1st so the Saints should have too. Sure the suspension is bigger but IMO the offense was bigger here.

I'm glad Williams is out of the NFL. I doubt he's ever allowed back in.

_YL_
03-21-2012, 11:54 AM
WOW!! talk about making a statement out off the Saints

Taber21
03-21-2012, 11:55 AM
I don't think coaches are going to let this sort of thing happen anymore, a full year suspension w/o pay? Ouch.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 11:56 AM
"Saints asst coach Joe Vitt also suspended six games and fined $100,000."

He would have taken over more than likely.

vidae
03-21-2012, 11:56 AM
I was kind of hoping they'd take away their franchise tag too. I love me some Brees in KC!

Lil Quip
03-21-2012, 11:56 AM
The Pats lost a 1st so the Saints should have too. Sure the suspension is bigger but IMO the offense was bigger here.

I'm glad Williams is out of the NFL. I doubt he's ever allowed back in.

Coincidentally the NFL can't have it! It's ours!

Looks like trading up last year is a more interesting move now. Wonder if the NFL would have taken it if the Saints still had it?

vidae
03-21-2012, 11:57 AM
Anyone know how the Loomis suspension affects him exactly?

I would assume he will have no contact and say in their draft preparations.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 11:58 AM
I would assume he will have no contact and say in their draft preparations.

Can the NFL monitor that? I don't think so. And if he is only suspended 8 games, that wouldn't apply yet.

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 11:59 AM
So, will Carmichael become the interim coach then? He has more experience with the organization than Spags.

Punisher
03-21-2012, 12:00 PM
Holy *****

killxswitch
03-21-2012, 12:00 PM
So who is the DC in STL this year?

Complex
03-21-2012, 12:01 PM
Cheat get fined and lose 1st round pick. Know about bounties and not stop get fined, lose multiple draft picks and get suspended the whole year. SMh

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 12:01 PM
Can the NFL monitor that? I don't think so. And if he is only suspended 8 games, that wouldn't apply yet.

Yeah a GM being suspended for "games" seems irrelevant. If they wanted to really punish him, they should have said 8 weeks starting ASAP. That would be crippling.

stillma7ic
03-21-2012, 12:01 PM
So is Spags gonna be head coach now?

vidae
03-21-2012, 12:02 PM
Yeah a GM being suspended for "games" seems irrelevant. If they wanted to really punish him, they should have said 8 weeks starting ASAP. That would be crippling.

They probably should have. Like you said, suspending a GM for in season games means next to nothing.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 12:02 PM
Player suspensions/fines are being reviewed by NFLPA and will come down soon as well. Bye bye Vilma.

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 12:03 PM
So is Spags gonna be head coach now?

Not sure yet. I'd guess Carmichael since he was the coach on the field while Payton was injured last year and has more experience with the franchise. Spags was just added this offseason afterall.

And of course PFT crashes, ha. Suspension news and Tebow news hitting at the same time.

The Dynasty
03-21-2012, 12:03 PM
Are there going to be any player punishments? Like Vilma. But good to see that this happened. Its a harsh decision but the league needed them to be made of example of so this stuff wouldn't occur again. Going to be interesting to see how the saints are this year now.

brat316
03-21-2012, 12:04 PM
LOLZ man laying down the hammer. BAN Hammer for Williams.

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 12:04 PM
Are there going to be any player punishments? Like Vilma. But good to see that this happened. Its a harsh decision but the league needed them to be made of example of so this stuff wouldn't occur again. Going to be interesting to see how the saints are this year now.

It is expected to happen, but I read that they may take longer as the league works with the Players Union on a fair punishment.

niel89
03-21-2012, 12:05 PM
Wow the NFL came down much harder than than I thought they would. The NFL is not ******* around on this issue. Teams will not tolerate this ever again.

Que the GOODELL IS A DICTATOR

GaMeTiMe
03-21-2012, 12:06 PM
How does franchise player Drew Brees feel about this?

Monomach
03-21-2012, 12:07 PM
Oh, man. That's just too much. I figured a couple million in fines spread among the people involved and the loss of a single second rounder would have been plenty.

falloutboy14
03-21-2012, 12:07 PM
Can the NFL monitor that? I don't think so. And if he is only suspended 8 games, that wouldn't apply yet.

God help him if he's caught though. If the league was aware in part of player team contact during the lockout, they can catch wind of this. I'd love it if they made him wear an ankle monitor or something.

brat316
03-21-2012, 12:08 PM
now players will do it on the hush/hush and the coaches "won't know"

Sloopy
03-21-2012, 12:08 PM
So the Saints do not have a pick until round 3? This will hurt as they already had some significant holes and now players may be suspended.

Interesting...

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 12:08 PM
Wow the NFL came down much harder than than I thought they would. The NFL is not ******* around on this issue. Teams will not tolerate this ever again.

Que the GOODELL IS A DICTATOR

That was the entire point. Make an example out of the Saints implicated and scare off anyone else from doing it.

brat316
03-21-2012, 12:09 PM
SOooooo who is going to be drafting for them?

brat316
03-21-2012, 12:09 PM
That was the entire point. Make an example out of the Saints implicated and scare off anyone else from doing it.


More like hide it better and the don't ask, don't tell.

bearsfan_51
03-21-2012, 12:09 PM
Oh, man. That's just too much. I figured a couple million in fines spread among the people involved and the loss of a single second rounder would have been plenty.
Seriously? A few million spread out and a 2nd rounder isn't ****. Why would anyone stop that behavior for a punishment that light? You have to have a punishment in excess of the crime if you want to deter it from happening again.

Bills2083
03-21-2012, 12:10 PM
I know its absolutely miniscule in all of this but this sucks for the 1 player who doesn't get drafted because of this situation. I mean, I know he'll probably sign on as an UDFA, but it seems like one guy will miss out.

Matthew Jones
03-21-2012, 12:10 PM
How's Vitt supposed to get his Vicodin fix now?

Monomach
03-21-2012, 12:10 PM
SOooooo who is going to be drafting for them?

He's suspended for games, not for the offseason.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 12:14 PM
Is Sean Payton barred from the Saints' facility for the year? Or is he able to work with the team during practice and such?

Carmichael and Spagnuolo running the team isn't that crippling really... Sucks ass, but I want to find a bright side :(

vidae
03-21-2012, 12:14 PM
Brees didn't want to sign the franchise tag in the first place, but now? No way is he signing that thing.

VernonLawson89
03-21-2012, 12:14 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 12:15 PM
So, will Carmichael become the interim coach then? He has more experience with the organization than Spags.

I'd say so... he did a pretty damn good job when Payton went down to injury last season after the TB game.

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 12:15 PM
Brees didn't want to sign the franchise tag in the first place, but now? No way is he signing that thing.

The Saints led by Chase Daniel will be...interesting...if nothing else.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 12:16 PM
Is Sean Payton barred from the Saints' facility for the year? Or is he able to work with the team during practice and such?

Carmichael and Spagnuolo running the team isn't that crippling really... Sucks ass, but I want to find a bright side :(

It's really hard to find one except Carmichael Jr. has shown he can at least call a pretty damn good offensive game in Payton's absence..

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 12:17 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Lol you serious?

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 12:17 PM
Brees didn't want to sign the franchise tag in the first place, but now? No way is he signing that thing.

If anything, it may have the exact opposite effect and Loomis might expedite the process in Brees' contract and get him signed ASAP to have some good PR coming out. But, I think we can kiss signing Curtis Lofton & B. Bunkley bye-bye. :(

yodabear
03-21-2012, 12:18 PM
Well deserved...well deserved. I know it affects my team but he did it. Plus we got some1 in staff ready to take over. Good riddance asshole. And Payton being suspended :). Good job Goodell, shows people not **** with ya, even tho they already knew that.

Matthew Jones
03-21-2012, 12:19 PM
I wonder what the Loomis suspension means for Drew Brees' contract situation.

vidae
03-21-2012, 12:20 PM
I can't wait for people to blast Goodell for this. This is exactly what the league should have done but it'll be hilarious when people try to blame anyone but the Saints.

bigbluedefense
03-21-2012, 12:20 PM
Wow.

The Saints shouldn't even bother showing up next year. They're done before the season even started.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 12:20 PM
"NFL says #Saints bounties were placed on at least 4 QBs - Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers & Cam Newton" - Mort

"ESPN's Wendi Nix reports that sources say Tim Tebow asked John Elway to make trading him to Jacksonville a priority."

vidae
03-21-2012, 12:21 PM
I wonder what players are going to see suspensions and fines. Probably Vilma, but who else?

The Dynasty
03-21-2012, 12:23 PM
"NFL says #Saints bounties were placed on at least 4 QBs - Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers & Cam Newton" - Mort

They were pretty noticeable with Brett Favre and Kurt Warner. I would have to re-watch opening night for Aaron Rodgers and then same with Cam Newton but those pictures of Brett Favre's leg after that game were pretty nasty.

PackerLegend
03-21-2012, 12:23 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

My thoughts as well.

Monomach
03-21-2012, 12:24 PM
Zero chance Brees signs that tender now. The Saints are going to cave and give him whatever he asks for just to placate the fanbase and try to hold things together for a year.

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 12:24 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/goodell-lowers-boom-on-the-saints/

UPDATE: The NFL has issued a formal announcement regarding the discipline. The announcement also states that assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt has been suspended six games. The penalties imposed on the Saints organization will be discussed analyzed in a separate item.

Joe Vitt too for 6 games.

FTRWRTR
03-21-2012, 12:25 PM
"ESPN's Wendi Nix reports that sources say Tim Tebow asked John Elway to make trading him to Jacksonville a priorityLOL, I'm glad to see Elway listened.

vidae
03-21-2012, 12:25 PM
That was already in the original post BB! DUH!

PackerLegend
03-21-2012, 12:25 PM
"NFL says #Saints bounties were placed on at least 4 QBs - Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers & Cam Newton" - Mort

"ESPN's Wendi Nix reports that sources say Tim Tebow asked John Elway to make trading him to Jacksonville a priority."

Aaron Rodgers? Good get some saints.

redbills
03-21-2012, 12:25 PM
Nfl = no fun league #goodellsucks pats cheat lose just a draft pick. Saints hey ply hard hit hard get $ lose coach 4 yr fines and lose picks.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 12:26 PM
Zero chance Brees signs that tender now. The Saints are going to cave and give him whatever he asks for just to placate the fanbase and try to hold things together for a year.

Is there really zero chance of anything? Brees won't essentially hold out for 10 weeks and get paid even less only to get a year older.

brat316
03-21-2012, 12:26 PM
Kurt Warner getting hurt was a bit his fault. Running to make a tackle and then getting a shoulder in the chest.

vidae
03-21-2012, 12:26 PM
Nfl = no fun league #goodellsucks pats cheat lose just a draft pick. Saints hey ply hard get $ lose coach 4 yr fines and lose picks.

There is a massive difference between "play hard" and "play to the whistle" and GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO HURT SOMEONE FOR MONEY.

I can't believe people are actually defending this kind of system. Ugh.

:gtfo:

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 12:27 PM
That was already in the original post BB! DUH!

Well excuse me. I just saw it added onto the article as an "update" and thought it was new.

redbills
03-21-2012, 12:27 PM
There is a massive difference between "play hard" and "play to the whistle" and GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO HURT SOMEONE FOR MONEY.

I can't believe people are actually defending this kind of system. Ugh.

:gtfo:

Okay bye.
:wave:

VernonLawson89
03-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Lol you serious?

uh.... yes?

PackerLegend
03-21-2012, 12:29 PM
Nfl = no fun league #goodellsucks pats cheat lose just a draft pick. Saints hey ply hard hit hard get $ lose coach 4 yr fines and lose picks.

Lol... I hate people who act like what the pats did was so much worse. By the rules they cheated yes.. but it really wasn't for anything that helpful.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 12:30 PM
To answer my previous question per PFT:

"Mickey Loomis suspension for first eight regular-season games does not have an effective date; apparently, he's not suspended until Week 1."

"Sean Payton suspension is effective April 1; Gregg Williams suspension is effective immediately."

yodabear
03-21-2012, 12:31 PM
Nfl = no fun league #goodellsucks pats cheat lose just a draft pick. Saints hey ply hard hit hard get $ lose coach 4 yr fines and lose picks.

Tho I agree they hit the Pats way too lightly. But u can't blame for this. Football is a violent game, they tried to make it even more violent. This wasn't filming a team's practice, this was adding incentives to injure somebody. Its a mob, without killing anybody.

Complex
03-21-2012, 12:31 PM
"ESPN's Wendi Nix reports that sources say Tim Tebow asked John Elway to make trading him to Jacksonville a priority."

Horseface is a asshole, if it wasn't for Tebow Peyton wouldn't have picked the Broncos. He should of at least sent him to Jacksonville as a thank you.

bearsfan_51
03-21-2012, 12:33 PM
There's a difference between cheating on your test and getting paid to injure your teacher; I don't see how people can even compare the two. There's no career-ending potential from what the Pats did.

Shane P. Hallam
03-21-2012, 12:33 PM
Horseface is a asshole, if it wasn't for Tebow Peyton wouldn't have picked the Broncos. He should of at least sent him to Jacksonville as a thank you.

Jaguars offer was significantly less than the Jets offer.

saintsfan912
03-21-2012, 12:39 PM
So, none of you think other teams actually pay for big plays? Naive.

yodabear
03-21-2012, 12:39 PM
So, none of you think other teams actually pay for big plays? Naive.

No, they are just better at not getting caught.

ArkyRamsFan
03-21-2012, 12:42 PM
So who is the DC in STL this year?

Probably Dave McGinnis who is currently the Assistant HC to Fish.

It's too bad that Williams wasn't working for the Patriots while implementing his bounty program; his penalty would have been considerably less.

Oh well, live and learn Gregg...

Trogdor
03-21-2012, 12:43 PM
So, none of you think other teams actually pay for big plays? Naive.

Great defense. Try that next time you get pulled over for speeding :D


But Ossifer! I wasn't the only one speeding!


You break the rules. You pay the consequences.

saintsfan912
03-21-2012, 12:43 PM
Can't wait for other teams to get caught doing this.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 12:44 PM
If Pete Carmichael does really well, I wonder what that does for Payton as the coach here...

FTRWRTR
03-21-2012, 12:44 PM
So, none of you think other teams actually pay for big plays? Naive.Of course they do but if they get caught they aren't stupid enough to ignore the commish when he tells then to stop.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 12:45 PM
Can't wait for other teams to get caught doing this.


Meh, I don't wish punishment on any team. I know some guys like other teams to lose assets and become less of a threat, but that's lame.

We'll take our lumps, and move on.

WCH
03-21-2012, 12:45 PM
Probably Dave McGinnis who is currently the Assistant HC to Fish.

It's too bad that Williams wasn't working for the Patriots while implementing his bounty program; his penalty would have been considerably less.

Oh well, live and learn Gregg...

No. At the time, Goodell told BB that if he screws up again, he's done.

niel89
03-21-2012, 12:46 PM
So, none of you think other teams actually pay for big plays? Naive.

Not this openly & systematically.

brat316
03-21-2012, 12:46 PM
Can't wait for other teams to get caught doing this.

players won't tell their coaches.

vidae
03-21-2012, 12:46 PM
Can't wait for other teams to get caught doing this.

This kind of punishment will deter this kind of behavior in the future. If a team is caught again it won't be this bad, it'll be worse.

I love the stance you're taking though. Other Saints fans are taking it like adults while you're pointing fingers and acting like "well everyone else does it!1!1!1!!!".. come on. You guys broke the rules, were warned, and kept doing it. And your players purposely tried to injure others. It's inexcusable.

Deal with it.

Meh, I don't wish punishment on any team. I know some guys like other teams to lose assets and become less of a threat, but that's lame.

We'll take our lumps, and move on.

Now THIS Is the stance to take. This is the mature approach.

FTRWRTR
03-21-2012, 12:47 PM
Is there really zero chance of anything? Brees won't essentially hold out for 10 weeks and get paid even less only to get a year older.

Before this I would have agreed with you but now Brees has leverage since he's the team's leader and they need him more now than ever without Payton, plus the saints really need some good news.

Splat
03-21-2012, 12:49 PM
I knew Sean Payton would be suspended but not for a full season... WOW

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 12:50 PM
this is hilarious!

bearsfan_51
03-21-2012, 12:50 PM
Can't wait for other teams to get caught doing this.
Well the league has been around for about a century, and this is the first time, so don't hold your breath.

saintsfan912
03-21-2012, 12:51 PM
Can't quite "ignore the commish" in the offseason. Can't fix something that happens during games when there are no games being played.

killxswitch
03-21-2012, 12:51 PM
I knew Sean Payton would be suspended but not for a full season... WOW

He was the HC, knew about it, and didn't stop it. Doesn't surprise me at all.

Loomis is the one that surprises me, being suspended "for 8 games" seems kind of stupid.

I feel bad for Saints fans. But this has to happen.

Splat
03-21-2012, 12:51 PM
Sean Payton stunned by suspension: “I’m not OK” (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/sean-payton-stunned-by-suspension-im-not-ok/)

“I did talk to him and he’s stunned to say the least,” Glazer said. “I think the entire team thought maybe there’d be a four-game suspension, but not a year. I said, ‘Are you OK?’ And he said, ‘No, I’m not OK.’ He is stunned. He’s going to lose about $8 million. He is beside himself here.”

I thought it would be about 4 games as well.

saintsfan912
03-21-2012, 12:53 PM
Well the league has been around for about a century, and this is the first time, so don't hold your breath.

It's also the first time a power hungry dictator was the commissioner.

WCH
03-21-2012, 12:54 PM
He was the HC, knew about it, and didn't stop it. Doesn't surprise me at all.


There was also that report about his marketing agent contributing money to the bounty fund, which a story that most of the media wasn't going to touch with a ten meter cattle-prod.

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 12:55 PM
It's also the first time a power hungry dictator was the commissioner.

Goddell has nothing to do with this. Its the Saints fault for being so dumb, get over it.

Splat
03-21-2012, 12:55 PM
It's also the first time a power hungry dictator was the commissioner.

LOL

Are you really blaming Goodell?

:facepalm:

And I hate Goodell...

bearsfan_51
03-21-2012, 12:55 PM
It's also the first time a power hungry dictator was the commissioner.
No, it's definitely not. Read a book or two about the league; you might learn something.

prock
03-21-2012, 12:56 PM
It's also the first time a power hungry dictator was the commissioner.

This bro is mad. Your team was getting paid to hurt people. Nothing about that is wrong to you? Or are your homer glasses that thick?

JoeJoeBrown
03-21-2012, 12:58 PM
This is ********. The NFL is all over the map.

Legacy
03-21-2012, 01:01 PM
So, none of you think other teams actually pay for big plays? Naive.
The Buccaneers defense hasn't made any big plays in like three years. If they have a bounty system, it sure as heck isn't working.

killxswitch
03-21-2012, 01:01 PM
There was also that report about his marketing agent contributing money to the bounty fund, which a story that most of the media wasn't going to touch with a ten meter cattle-prod.

I'm surprised we haven't heard more about that. It's a pretty big deal and I bet you are right, that's probably why he got an entire year.

vidae
03-21-2012, 01:02 PM
The Buccaneers defense hasn't made any big plays in like three years. If they have a bounty system, it sure as heck isn't working.

This made me laugh really hard. Thank you sir.

Ness
03-21-2012, 01:02 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

WCH
03-21-2012, 01:04 PM
I'm surprised we haven't heard more about that. It's a pretty big deal and I bet you are right, that's probably why he got an entire year.

My conspiracy theory is that the NFL encouraged the major media outlets to not talk about it.

[/tinfoil hat]

SolidGold
03-21-2012, 01:04 PM
haha man this is harsh...saints have had a poopie offseason

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 01:05 PM
There's a difference between cheating on your test and getting paid to injure your teacher; I don't see how people can even compare the two. There's no career-ending potential from what the Pats did.

I agree with this, sans there was little solid evidence to prove the pay was to "injure" as opposed as making the QB's valuable to motivate players. As far as punishments go, they are strict not because of any "intent to injure", but because they knew rules were being broken and they allowed it to continue.
I realize it is a tough pill to swallow, but it should have been stopped as soon as Payton found out about it, period.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:06 PM
The irony of some guys laughing at this... delicious.

Ness
03-21-2012, 01:07 PM
The irony of some guys laughing at this... delicious.

Sorry, I take enough **** from Saints fans. Not here, but...other places.

This pleases Nessler.

jrdrylie
03-21-2012, 01:07 PM
So who does St. Louis hire to be their new Defensive Coordinator?

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 01:08 PM
So who does St. Louis hire to be their new Defensive Coordinator?

Dave McGinness gets promoted most likely if I had to guess.

prock
03-21-2012, 01:08 PM
The irony of some guys laughing at this... delicious.

I see no irony. I'm enjoying this thoroughly.

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 01:08 PM
The irony of some guys laughing at this... delicious.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le02f5TUDF1qdtfdbo1_400.gif

Its funny...

VernonLawson89
03-21-2012, 01:11 PM
The irony of some guys laughing at this... delicious.

Oh the ironing is delicious

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfko7eyaJ81qayllfo1_500.jpg

Ness
03-21-2012, 01:12 PM
Can't wait for other teams to get caught doing this.

LOL. U MAD BRO?

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 01:13 PM
Good thing I'm an optimist.

Hello top 10 pick in 2013 :)

Don Vito
03-21-2012, 01:13 PM
For all the Saints fans I have to listen to at school and all the Jets fans I deal with at home, today has been quite an awesome day. Gregg Williams should never be allowed back in the NFL and I doubt he will be.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:13 PM
I mean, losing our coach for a year sucks, takes us out of contention for the big game.

Could be worse though, we could have signed a terrible QB to a 3 year deal and be stuck with no chance to win a superbowl in those 3 years.

I'll count my blessings I guess.

Ness
03-21-2012, 01:15 PM
I mean, losing our coach for a year sucks, takes us out of contention for the big game.

Could be worse though, we could have signed a terrible QB to a 3 year deal and be stuck with no chance to win a superbowl in those 3 years.

I'll count my blessings I guess.

Right...because the 49ers just had you know...zero chance to win last year.

Speaking of quarterbacks, Drew Brees sign that tender yet?

Halsey
03-21-2012, 01:15 PM
So the Saints are in trouble, their coach is in timeout, and they basically wasted away their first and second round picks from the 2011 and 2012 Drafts. I'm really sorry to hear that...

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/02/21/22/slideshow_1222121_8.jpg

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 01:17 PM
I mean, losing our coach for a year sucks, takes us out of contention for the big game.

Could be worse though, we could have signed a terrible QB to a 3 year deal and be stuck with no chance to win a superbowl in those 3 years.

I'll count my blessings I guess.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0colZmNR1qdlkgg.gif

sbh15
03-21-2012, 01:17 PM
purely speculative, but what happens if the interim head coach wins the Super Bowl?

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:18 PM
Right...because the 49ers just had you know...zero chance to win last year.

Speaking of quarterbacks, Drew Brees sign that tender yet?

Yea, zero chance. I was hoping Colin Kaepernick would get his chance, maybe offer a glimmer of hope.

At least 49ers and Vikings fans know that the Saints won't be getting in the way of a championship that their teams already had no chance of winning!

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:18 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0colZmNR1qdlkgg.gif

See Ness! this is how you counter troll... don't respond to my troll attempt logically!

Haha, I love you guys, this really sucks for us, I just wanna bust some balls back.

jrdrylie
03-21-2012, 01:19 PM
Good thing I'm an optimist.

Hello top 10 pick in 2013 :)

Brees is too good to lead the team to a top 10 pick.

Jughead10
03-21-2012, 01:19 PM
Does Spags step in as HC now?

niel89
03-21-2012, 01:19 PM
49ers still have a real solid chance at winning a SB.

edit: damn your trollin'

anyone know how to delete a post? I've never been able to figure it out.

Ness
03-21-2012, 01:20 PM
Yea, zero chance. I was hoping Colin Kaepernick would get his chance, maybe offer a glimmer of hope.

At least 49ers and Vikings fans know that the Saints won't be getting in the way of a championship that their teams already had no chance of winning!

http://www7.pic-upload.de/21.03.12/6t5ct7cv5wkn.gif

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 01:20 PM
Yea, zero chance. I was hoping Colin Kaepernick would get his chance, maybe offer a glimmer of hope.

At least 49ers and Vikings fans know that the Saints won't be getting in the way of a championship that their teams already had no chance of winning!

You do remember the 49ers beat the Saints in the Playoffs last year?

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2757111/137025560_extra_large.jpg

Remember now?....

WCH
03-21-2012, 01:20 PM
For all the Saints fans I have to listen to at school and all the Jets fans I deal with at home, today has been quite an awesome day. Gregg Williams should never be allowed back in the NFL and I doubt he will be.

I think that "suspended indeffinitely" might as well translate to "lifetime ban," in this case. It's not like any team is going to hire him if he did get reinstated, because the NFL would be watching them like a hawk.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:21 PM
Does Spags step in as HC now?


As far as I know, he already had defensive control, so that won't change, but Pete Carmichael will surely be doing the offensive playcalling.

Could be WAY worse, we're one of the few teams that could survive that. Brees+Carmichael will be fine with the offense.

It's the little Sean Payton things that we'll miss... like quirky onside kicks, going for it on 4th down... etc.

WCH
03-21-2012, 01:22 PM
Does Spags step in as HC now?
And if steps in and they win, do we have a coaching controversy next year?

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:23 PM
You do remember the 49ers beat the Saints in the Playoffs last year?

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2757111/137025560_extra_large.jpg

Remember now?....


Tim Tebow won a playoff game too, doesn't mean they had a shot to win the big one.

Splat
03-21-2012, 01:25 PM
This thread... Good times.

http://i41.tinypic.com/15cc8jb.gif

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 01:26 PM
Tim Tebow won a playoff game too, doesn't mean they had a shot to win the big one.

The 49ers went 14-2, the Broncos went 8-8.

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 01:27 PM
I'm just going to pretend that I am Brody and this thread is a large bear.

rchrd
03-21-2012, 01:27 PM
<----- reads last post. presses refresh. repeats.

Ness
03-21-2012, 01:29 PM
Tim Tebow won a playoff game too, doesn't mean they had a shot to win the big one.

I think our shot was a lot more favorable than Denver.

TitleTown088
03-21-2012, 01:30 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/39808/nfl-confirms-bounties-on-favre-rodgers

You SOBs coming after my Rodgers got what you deserved.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:31 PM
So we were like 3-1, and 1 yard from tying in the games with confirmed bounties?

Maybe it was working...

TitleTown088
03-21-2012, 01:34 PM
Can't wait for other teams to get caught doing this.

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/c/c6/YOU_MAD.jpg

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:35 PM
Still don't get the "hope other teams get caught!" thing.

It's like hoping to beat a team in the superbowl because their 5 best players are suspended.

Sports are about competition, I want to beat teams at their best.

Bengals78
03-21-2012, 01:35 PM
How sad is it the Bengals boards want to start a bounty rumor just to get rid of Marv?

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:37 PM
How sad is it the Bengals boards want to start a bounty rumor just to get rid of Marv?

HAHAHA, that's awesome.

jrdrylie
03-21-2012, 01:39 PM
How sad is it the Bengals boards want to start a bounty rumor just to get rid of Marv?

Bad? More like genius!

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 01:40 PM
How sad is it the Bengals boards want to start a bounty rumor just to get rid of Marv?

Can ownership also be implicated? Can they suspend an owner?

Monomach
03-21-2012, 01:43 PM
How sad is it the Bengals boards want to start a bounty rumor just to get rid of Marv?

Hell, Marv might be a good coach if his boss weren't such a wanker.

I_C_DeadPeople
03-21-2012, 01:45 PM
Can ownership also be implicated? Can they suspend an owner?

The owner is also the GM, so YES!!!

killxswitch
03-21-2012, 01:49 PM
Yeah because Marvin Lewis is the reason the Bengals are never competitive.

I_C_DeadPeople
03-21-2012, 01:54 PM
Yeah because Marvin Lewis is the reason the Bengals are never competitive.

Actually, the fans have had a bounty on Mike Brown for quite some time....

Bengals78
03-21-2012, 01:55 PM
Yeah because Marvin Lewis is the reason the Bengals are never competitive.

His in game calls are mind boggling to say the least.

and I meant sad as in, hahaha that's sad we have to resort to that to get rid of an 8-8 coach.

Its quite funny

descendency
03-21-2012, 01:55 PM
I wonder when player suspensions will be announced? or are there none?

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 01:56 PM
I think they expect to not have Vilma, they were talking to Curtis Lofton already.

Bengals78
03-21-2012, 01:57 PM
Hell, Marv might be a good coach if his boss weren't such a wanker.

Hmmm obvious incompletion? Challenge!
Obvious the opposing RB didnt fumble? Challenge!
Opposing RB clearly fumbles? **** out of challenges!
TE scores what should be tying touchdown, ruled incomplete? **** out of challenges!

Running the ball at a 5.0 ypc clip....time to throw.
Running the ball at a 2.5 ypc clip....better establish the run game.

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 01:59 PM
I wonder when player suspensions will be announced? or are there none?

That will be goatse time for us Saints fans.

Splat
03-21-2012, 01:59 PM
Drew Brees “speechless,” wants an explanation.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/drew-brees-speechless-wants-an-explanation/

“I am speechless,” Brees wrote (https://twitter.com/#%21/drewbrees). “Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this punishment.”CHZad3_8sJo

falloutboy14
03-21-2012, 01:59 PM
I wonder when player suspensions will be announced? or are there none?

NFL gave NFLPA the results of the investigation and asked for their recommendation. I'm guessing there's some suspensions, but who knows when they'll be released.

FordFairlane
03-21-2012, 02:00 PM
So Belicheat and the Cheatriots get fines and one draft pick for cheating three super bowl wins. The Saints have their coach suspended a year two draft picks and the same $500,000 fine. Yeah, Goodell is a great commissioner.

SolidGold
03-21-2012, 02:01 PM
Drew Brees “speechless,” wants an explanation.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/drew-brees-speechless-wants-an-explanation/

CHZad3_8sJo

Pretty sure Goodell gave an explanation when he dished out the punishment. Brees doesn't deserve anything more.

yodabear
03-21-2012, 02:01 PM
Drew Brees “speechless,” wants an explanation.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/drew-brees-speechless-wants-an-explanation/

CHZad3_8sJo

Haha, it does annoy me, but what do u expect him to say about his boy Sean? He is an ass and deserved all that he got.

DON'T **** WITH MY BOY BRETT!

Bengals78
03-21-2012, 02:06 PM
Pretty sure Goodell gave an explanation when he dished out the punishment. Brees doesn't deserve anything more.

But he single-handedly saved a city from a Hurricane!!! or something like that

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 02:09 PM
So Belicheat and the Cheatriots get fines and one draft pick for cheating three super bowl wins. The Saints have their coach suspended a year two draft picks and the same $500,000 fine. Yeah, Goodell is a great commissioner.

Think about it. The two 2nds equate to a 1st in the commissioner's eyes. The fine is the same as well. That shows me that there was equal punishment for what is looked at as cheating or unfair play. What the huge suspensions are for is poor choices from the leadership in that they knew about it and failed to stop it outright.

Splat
03-21-2012, 02:10 PM
Roger Goodell stands by Saints’ suspensions: “We were lied to” (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/roger-goodell-stands-by-saints-suspensions-we-were-lied-to/)

“I don’t think you can be too hard on people that put at risk our players’ health and safety,” Goodell said on NFL Network. “That is a critical issue for us going forward and has been in our past.”

“Clearly, we were lied to,” Goodell said. “We investigated this back in 2010, we were told it was not happening, it continued for another two years until we got credible evidence late in the 2011 season and we were able to identify significant information that verified from multiple sources that this was going on for a three-year period.”

“We have a serious violation of an existing rule that threatens the health and welfare of our players,” Goodell said. “In addition, this went on for three years and it was investigated, we were misled, and there were denials throughout that period. Meanwhile, there continued to be risk to our players and to the integrity of our game. So it calls for a very significant and clear message.”

Bengals78
03-21-2012, 02:11 PM
Maybe if Payton and the other make a video like this it will be lifted:

CiBOYWfqjBk

AntoinCD
03-21-2012, 02:11 PM
So Belicheat and the Cheatriots get fines and one draft pick for cheating three super bowl wins. The Saints have their coach suspended a year two draft picks and the same $500,000 fine. Yeah, Goodell is a great commissioner.

:parrot:

:deadhorse:

10 characters

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 02:12 PM
i know i sound stupid but i didnt follow football years ago. how did the patriots cheat?

descendency
03-21-2012, 02:15 PM
Drew Brees “speechless,” wants an explanation.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/drew-brees-speechless-wants-an-explanation/

I understand his shock, but this was a matter in which they had been warned, lied about, and were taking money under the table from Payton's agent.

Gregg Williams is likely going to be banned for life soon. Payton's only argument for a reduced penalty is that "everyone else does it too." The only thing more serious that the NFL could have done (except lengthening the suspensions of those that were suspended) was to force the Saints to forfeit games this year.

Splat
03-21-2012, 02:16 PM
i know i sound stupid but i didnt follow football years ago. how did the patriots cheat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_National_Football_League_videotaping_controve rsy

descendency
03-21-2012, 02:17 PM
i know i sound stupid but i didnt follow football years ago. how did the patriots cheat?

They used cameras to tape defensive coaches giving signals to the players (with time of game, down, and distance) from inappropriate places in a stadium during games.

There were some rumors that they were being used during the game, but none of that was ever corroborated.

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 02:19 PM
They used cameras to tape defensive coaches giving signals to the players (with time of game, down, and distance) from inappropriate places in a stadium during games.

There were some rumors that they were being used during the game, but none of that was ever corroborated.

thats not too bad. theres a difference between trying to injure someone and trying to gain an slight advantage.

the saints punishment seems fair to me.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 02:23 PM
thats not too bad. theres a difference between trying to injure someone and trying to gain an slight advantage.

the saints punishment seems fair to me.

How can you determine a fair punishment when you weren't around long enough to even know about prior punishments?

If anything, the team as a whole got off pretty easy (draft pick wise, and we got 0 salary cap penalties, which shocks me), and Payton got screwed the hardest.

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 02:26 PM
How can you determine a fair punishment when you weren't around long enough to even know about prior punishments?

If anything, the team as a whole got off pretty easy (draft pick wise, and we got 0 salary cap penalties, which shocks me), and Payton got screwed the hardest.

i just got told what happened... then i decided the punishment was fair.

Giantsfan1080
03-21-2012, 02:31 PM
Warren Sapp said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey is the whistle blower.

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Warren Sapp said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey is the whistle blower.

That actually makes a ton of sense.

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Warren Sapp said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey is the whistle blower.

he'll probably be getting a few death threats lol.

dan77733
03-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Saints got off to light to me. Their GM and that Vitt guy should have been suspended for the year too plus their entire 2012 draft ahould have been taken away. Williams should be banned for life, not some bs indefinite suspension which means that he'll be back in a year.

There's a HUGE difference between the Patriots and Saints in regards to what they did. Patriots were trying to cheat which is bad but what the Saints players and coaches were doing are FAR WORSE. You're trying to intentionally injure players, mainly QB's. Come on, these guys are trying to earn a living and on any given play, their career can be over and its this type of thing that could lead to someone getting seriously injured, not being able to rebound from the injury and getting pissed off and quite honestly, just shooting and killing those responsible. This is how stuff like that happens. Its basically a domino affect.

And Brees needs an explanation??? What a ******* moron!!!

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 02:32 PM
How can you determine a fair punishment when you weren't around long enough to even know about prior punishments?

If anything, the team as a whole got off pretty easy (draft pick wise, and we got 0 salary cap penalties, which shocks me), and Payton got screwed the hardest.

He is the coach, it was his job to ensure that rules that keep things like this don't happen. Is it tough on us? Yes, it is. Will he likely appeal? Of course, but what can he say in his defense if it turns out that he was specifically made aware of the issue and he turned a blind eye?

I_C_DeadPeople
03-21-2012, 02:33 PM
What exactly does Brees not understand? If he had been one of the QB's targeted he would have been screaming to high heaven that the suspensions were quite suitable.

dan77733
03-21-2012, 02:33 PM
Warren Sapp said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey is the whistle blower.

If true, I finally have some respect for him. He finally did the right thing.

CJSchneider
03-21-2012, 02:33 PM
Warren Sapp said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey is the whistle blower.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

FordFairlane
03-21-2012, 02:35 PM
Think about it. The two 2nds equate to a 1st in the commissioner's eyes. The fine is the same as well. That shows me that there was equal punishment for what is looked at as cheating or unfair play. What the huge suspensions are for is poor choices from the leadership in that they knew about it and failed to stop it outright.

Fair would have been suspending Belicheat for a season and Romeo Crennel indefinitely. But you know Goodell can't suspend his butt buddy.

Giantsfan1080
03-21-2012, 02:37 PM
Meh the Shockey thing has already been debunked. I will no longer quote Warren Sapp.

D-Unit
03-21-2012, 02:37 PM
Got off easy. Taking away all their draft picks would've been worse.

descendency
03-21-2012, 02:38 PM
There is a difference between the Patriots and Saints.

The Patriots did something that there was no league mechanism to control.

The Saints were performing legal/illegal hits during a game. If they were illegal, penalized them in the game. If they were excessive, eject players. Clearly this is about more than just a few hits in a game, but to sell the idea to the fans they show the Favre tape over and over and over.

J-Mike88
03-21-2012, 02:41 PM
Justice served.
I called for very harsh penalties for these coaches, and Goodell delivered.
Very proud of him.

Now, we'll see if the NFLPA has the same steel ballz when it comes to punishing their players, who were out to hurt their other players.

Interesting thing is there are still some naive fans who think the game is soft out there compared to yesteryear.

These guys are bigger and faster, and they don't just tackle these days. They constantly go for the jacked-up, knockout hits.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-21-2012, 02:43 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't think this punishment is that bad?

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 02:44 PM
http://www.sk3tchy.com/media/2012/01/UPFVd.gif

brat316
03-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Hey who is expecting a new thread from J-Mike about the Packers not getting Tebow and the implacations of Payton suspended to the Packers?

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't think this punishment is that bad?

It's bad against Sean Payton, but I think the Saints overall got off pretty easy. A 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (I fully expected at least their 1st next year) plus a slap on the wrist fine.

But the Payton suspension is actually worse than I expected.

brat316
03-21-2012, 02:45 PM
I'm surprised no cap penalties.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-21-2012, 02:46 PM
It's bad against Sean Payton, but I think the Saints overall got off pretty easy. A 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (I fully expected at least their 1st next year) plus a slap on the wrist fine.

But the Payton suspension is actually worse than I expected.


Yeah, that's what I was more referring too. And anyone who doesn't think Payton's still going to have some serious pull on that team is wrong.

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 02:47 PM
I'm surprised no cap penalties.

Cap penalties typically only happen for cap violations since a cap penalty as a punishment for something else would probably piss off the players union. (Less money to spend on the players.)

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 02:47 PM
I figured the whistle blower to be a defensive player. But it makes sense, an underachieving crybaby.

Funny too! He was so universally loved here.

FordFairlane
03-21-2012, 02:48 PM
There is a difference between the Patriots and Saints.

The Patriots did something that there was no league mechanism to control.

Except those stupid rules which always get in the way. Well, unless you are the Patriots.

The Saints were performing legal/illegal hits during a game. If they were illegal, penalized them in the game. If they were excessive, eject players. Clearly this is about more than just a few hits in a game, but to sell the idea to the fans they show the Favre tape over and over and over.

No, the Saints were performing legal hits. They were breaking the rules having players get paid for them.

"I'm not pissed. It's football, I don't think anything less of those guys. Said or unsaid, guys do it anyway. If they can drill you and get you out, they will.''

Brett Favre

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 02:49 PM
Cap penalties typically only happen for cap violations since a cap penalty as a punishment for something else would probably piss off the players union. (Less money to spend on the players.)

Paying out money= cap violation, no?

I'm really surprised at HOW the punishment was doled out. Figured Loomis would get hit harder than Payton, and we'd lose more draft picks than coaches!

brat316
03-21-2012, 02:49 PM
They got paid extra outside of their contract for plays on the field. I thought all over ESPN and NFLN they were mentioning this had cap implications.

Yes, the NFLPA would be pissed, but they could take that money and redistribute it.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 02:51 PM
It's bad against Sean Payton, but I think the Saints overall got off pretty easy. A 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (I fully expected at least their 1st next year) plus a slap on the wrist fine.

But the Payton suspension is actually worse than I expected.

Da Futcha

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5663/imagesrj.jpg

BeerBaron
03-21-2012, 02:51 PM
It might not amount to enough to trigger cap penalties then. 10k here, 5k there...meh. Not much when a league minimum salary is still several hundred thousand dollars.

OR, it could be they were already penalized. Remember when the Redskins and Cowboys had cap space taken away, it was redistributed to every team but the Saints and Raiders. I don't know what the Raiders did, but that could be the Saint share right there.

Raiderz4Life
03-21-2012, 02:55 PM
The Nfl just hates the Raiders cuz we're the Raiders lol

Jvig43
03-21-2012, 02:57 PM
Hey who is expecting a new thread from J-Mike about the Packers not getting Tebow and the implacations of Payton suspended to the Packers?

By this do you mean make a thread about Tebow to the Jets, only to one paragraph later somehow bring up the packers? Because if so then yes.

Also hard to imagine Brees resigning now. Saints really should of just spent the money when they had the chance before this all went down. Idiots.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 03:01 PM
There's a difference between cheating on your test and getting paid to injure your teacher; I don't see how people can even compare the two. There's no career-ending potential from what the Pats did.

Getting paid to injure players legally. Immoral? Yes. Illegal? No. Ray Lewis tries to knock everyone out of every game. He wants to hurt you. It's ok because he does it for his base salary?

descendency
03-21-2012, 03:08 PM
Except those stupid rules which always get in the way. Well, unless you are the Patriots.


No, the Saints were performing legal hits. They were breaking the rules having players get paid for them.

"I'm not pissed. It's football, I don't think anything less of those guys. Said or unsaid, guys do it anyway. If they can drill you and get you out, they will.''

Brett Favre

Name the in game mechanism that the league could use to stop the Patriots from filming and tell me why the Saints players were fined 15k for hits. That doesn't sound legal to me.

killxswitch
03-21-2012, 03:11 PM
Getting paid to injure players legally. Immoral? Yes. Illegal? No. Ray Lewis tries to knock everyone out of every game. He wants to hurt you. It's ok because he does it for his base salary?

It's the part where there was an organized pay system. Lots of teams have player-only pools for big hits, and there's probably not much to do about those. But having coaches and front office people in on it is way different.

Ness
03-21-2012, 03:15 PM
Let's say Brees comes back and the Saints have a good year under acting head coach Carmichael...maybe they win 12 games. Are Payton's days numbered?

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 03:16 PM
Let's say Brees comes back and the Saints have a good year under acting head coach Carmichael...maybe they win 12 games. Are Payton's days numbered?

I dunno how the ownership feels, but I wouldn't be surprised. Carmichael and Brees know the offense in and out... Payton wasn't going to run the defense anyway.

We might miss him from a draft and personnel standpoint... he has a lot of say, and for good reason.

FordFairlane
03-21-2012, 03:18 PM
Well, usually the NFL telling teams to NOT film team practices and walk throughs and the fact the other 31 teams seemed to be able to follow this rule says CHEATING to everyone except the people in Massachusetts.

Saints-Tigers
03-21-2012, 03:20 PM
Lmao. I don't know how it compares. Filming other teams is ALSO done by every team in the NFL, to me, that was very minor, and they got shafted..

AntoinCD
03-21-2012, 03:25 PM
Well, usually the NFL telling teams to NOT film team practices and walk throughs and the fact the other 31 teams seemed to be able to follow this rule says CHEATING to everyone except the people in Massachusetts.

Easy mistake to make by any team. As Belichick said it was a simple misinterpretation of the rules. Really the Patriots shouldn't have even been punished. Goodell should have taken Belichick for his word and moved on like a man.

:whistle:

ShutDwn
03-21-2012, 03:33 PM
I think the draft picks penalty should have been steeper. Next years first makes more sense than next years second. They may be punished this season, but they'll receive a better 2013 first round pick because of it.

But that's just nitpicking based on the idea of punishment. It probably won't benefit them that much.

WCH
03-21-2012, 03:47 PM
It's the part where there was an organized pay system. Lots of teams have player-only pools for big hits, and there's probably not much to do about those. But having coaches and front office people in on it is way different.

Several years ago Charles Woodson and Al Harris were accused of offering cash incentives to the Packers defensive linemen if they held Adrian Peterson to less than 100 yards. The NFL said "Hey, you guys, stop that!" So they stopped. McCarthy was asked about it and said that the team and the league and had handled the matter.

So, as you pointed out, what Woodson and Harris were doing was a players-only pool. It didn't involve coaches and outside parties. Also, ignoring the "stop that" directive and doing it for another two years was pretty stupid on the Saints part.

phlysac
03-21-2012, 04:10 PM
Several years ago Charles Woodson and Al Harris were accused of offering cash incentives to the Packers defensive linemen if they held Adrian Peterson to less than 100 yards. The NFL said "Hey, you guys, stop that!" So they stopped. McCarthy was asked about it and said that the team and the league and had handled the matter.

So, as you pointed out, what Woodson and Harris were doing was a players-only pool. It didn't involve coaches and outside parties. Also, ignoring the "stop that" directive and doing it for another two years was pretty stupid on the Saints part.

Yeah, that seems to be the big point that many are missing.

It wasn't so much that the Saints did it, it was that they were asked about it, denied it, were told to cease-and-desist, and refused.

Caddy
03-21-2012, 05:00 PM
This news makes me smile

diabsoule
03-21-2012, 05:05 PM
Here's an article from WWL outlying everything the NFL butt rammed the Saints for

http://www.wwltv.com/home/NFL-statement-on-punishments-for-Saints-bounty-matter-143664986.html

yodabear
03-21-2012, 05:12 PM
Well, usually the NFL telling teams to NOT film team practices and walk throughs and the fact the other 31 teams seemed to be able to follow this rule says CHEATING to everyone except the people in Massachusetts.

And intentionally trying to hurt people is not okay to everyone except to the people in Lousiana apparently.

WCH
03-21-2012, 05:14 PM
From the article:

The Saints and the individuals disciplined today are expected to participate in efforts led by the league office to develop programs that will instruct players and coaches at all levels of the game on the need for respect for the game and those who participate in it, on principles of fair play, safety and sportsmanship, and to ensure that bounties will not be part of football at any level.

Shawn Payton: "Don't set bounties or allow bounties to be set, and certainly don't lie about it if you're caught. We did it with the Saints, and I lost $8 Million"

Yeah, I don't know about ensuring that bounties aren't taking place at any level, but I think the NFL is pretty well taken care of. Anybody who didn't get the message, isn't going to get the message.

MetSox17
03-21-2012, 05:23 PM
I couldn't have woken up to better news. I love Roger Goodell today.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/4/47/Deal-with-it-yoshi_08.gif

LonghornsLegend
03-21-2012, 05:45 PM
Holy ****. Payton is going to feel that 7 million dollar hit. He's not broke by any means, but try unexpectedly losing 7 million dollars at the last minute, just think about that for a minute. Regardless of what's in your bank account that hurts.


I too don't get why the Loomis suspension doesn't go into effect now. What exactly would be his role the first 8 weeks of the season anyway if he even was around?

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 05:51 PM
And intentionally trying to hurt people is not okay to everyone except to the people in Lousiana apparently.

It's ok just not ok to have a reward system. Nothing they did was illegal. People need to realize that.

Caddy
03-21-2012, 05:52 PM
Holy ****. Payton is going to feel that 7 million dollar hit. He's not broke by any means, but try unexpectedly losing 7 million dollars at the last minute, just think about that for a minute. Regardless of what's in your bank account that hurts.


I too don't get why the Loomis suspension doesn't go into effect now. What exactly would be his role the first 8 weeks of the season anyway if he even was around?

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SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 05:53 PM
It's ok just not ok to have a reward system. Nothing they did was illegal. People need to realize that.

Isnt it against the rules?

Rabscuttle
03-21-2012, 05:56 PM
Waiver wire, PUP, IR, Practice squad, cap management, trades/deadline - no big deal unless Loomis' replacement does something wrong.

WCH
03-21-2012, 06:08 PM
I too don't get why the Loomis suspension doesn't go into effect now. What exactly would be his role the first 8 weeks of the season anyway if he even was around?

Managing the scouting departments (both college scouting, and pro scouting), signing players to replace injured players, overseeing negotiations with soon-to-be Free Agents, overseeing injury settlements for players who are pretty much done, dealing with the media when the situation calls for it, releasing players for being idiots, claiming promising players that other teams cut because they need the roster spot, deciding which promising player to cut because you need the roster spot, deciding whether or not to make a move before the trade deadline...

The Draft is the sexy part of the job (at least, to us draftniks), but it's a pretty big blow to lose your GM for half a season. This will be a good audition for whoever fills in for him.

Taber21
03-21-2012, 06:29 PM
It's ok just not ok to have a reward system. Nothing they did was illegal. People need to realize that.

If what they did wasn't illegal, I don't think the league would have just suspended a coach for a full year and basically kicked another guy out of the league.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 06:46 PM
Isnt it against the rules?

Was the hit on Pierre Thomas in the playoffs against San Fran illegal? He gave him a concussion and knocked him out. Clean hit, but it becomes illegal what he gets paid a bonus for it.

SuperPacker
03-21-2012, 06:47 PM
Was the hit on Pierre Thomas in the playoffs against San Fran illegal? He gave him a concussion and knocked him out. Clean hit, but it becomes illegal what he gets paid a bonus for it.

The Saints knew what they were doing was not allowed, they lied about it and did it for 3 more years. I don't know how anyone can complain.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 06:49 PM
The Saints knew what they were doing was not allowed, they lied about it and did it for 3 more years. I don't know how anyone can complain.

They shouldn't have lied and should have stopped. No one is denying that. I'm saying it's a stupid rule to make a clean hit illegal just because you get paid for it.

Ness
03-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Was the hit on Pierre Thomas in the playoffs against San Fran illegal? He gave him a concussion and knocked him out. Clean hit, but it becomes illegal what he gets paid a bonus for it.

Not sure if you are joking or not...but the hit in the game against the Saints by Whitner was deemed completely legal.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 07:07 PM
Let's say Brees comes back and the Saints have a good year under acting head coach Carmichael...maybe they win 12 games. Are Payton's days numbered?

Brees WILL be back - to think otherwise is asinine, he got the exclusive franchise tag and unless he plans to sit out games and lose more money he'll be back. He has tons of leverage now, however.

And, I don't think so.. if anything it'll help Carmichael's HC resume. Benson stated he was fully behind Loomis & Payton - I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 07:10 PM
And, I get the punishment and knew it'd be harsh but I don't really see how anyone can justify Sean Payton getting suspended the same length of time that Donte Stallworth did for killing someone.

Jvig43
03-21-2012, 07:12 PM
Why would it be asinine to think Brees wont be back when he already stated he wasn't signing the franchise tag, even before this **** hit the fan. What about the situation has gotten better for Brees to suggest that thinking he wont be back would be asinine.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 07:14 PM
Why would it be asinine to think Brees wont be back when he already stated he wasn't signing the franchise tag, even before this **** hit the fan. What about the situation has gotten better for Brees to suggest that thinking he wont be back would be asinine.

So, he's going to sit out an entire season and NOT get paid and lose more money process than Sean Payton will? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Brees has all the leverage in the world right now and I am willing to bet that he will be signed to a new mega-deal within the week and he will get all the money he wanted in guarantees and be the highest paid player in the league.

Rabscuttle
03-21-2012, 07:15 PM
So, if punishment is sufficient enough to hurt the Saints significantly on the field this year, the Saints could get a top 10 pick next year.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 07:18 PM
So, if punishment is sufficient enough to hurt the Saints significantly on the field this year, the Saints could get a top 10 pick next year.

I really don't know where this is coming from to be honest with you. Our offense is still one of the best in the NFL - however, we could get hammered on the defensive end depending.

I'd expect Vilma to get it the worst but he might get cut whether we sign Curtis Lofton or not... I would also expect Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins to get hit pretty hard. The report says there were 22 or so players.. so, if we are going to win games it might be relying strictly on the offense all season.

asdf1223
03-21-2012, 07:24 PM
If he sits out 10 games and comes back I'm pretty sure you can franchise him again. Not that it would be optimal but its possible. Unless the player specifically says he wont sign the tender unless he's not franchised again(like Fat Al the second time he was franchised in Tenn. ) you can franchise him as many times as you want.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 07:24 PM
So, if punishment is sufficient enough to hurt the Saints significantly on the field this year, the Saints could get a top 10 pick next year.

Lol we still have a good chance to win the division even after all of this. Our offense won't miss a beat the defense will be better if not that Spags will have people in the right spots.

WCH
03-21-2012, 07:24 PM
Is there any chance that offensive players could be suspended if they lied during the investigation? I highly doubt it, and I ask only because Drew Brees seems to be playing dumb.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 07:26 PM
Is there any chance that offensive players could be suspended if they lied during the investigation? I highly doubt it, and I ask only because Drew Brees seems to be playing dumb.

It was a defensive issue no one in the offense probably knew much.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 07:27 PM
Lol we still have a good chance to win the division even after all of this. Our offense won't miss a beat the defense will be better if not that Spags will have people in the right spots.

With looming suspensions for our defensive players, I don't know how "better" our defense will be.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 07:28 PM
With looming suspensions for our defensive players, I don't know how "better" our defense will be.

Which is why I said if anything the players we have in the game will be in the right spot.

Bengals78
03-21-2012, 07:29 PM
Is there any chance that offensive players could be suspended if they lied during the investigation? I highly doubt it, and I ask only because Drew Brees seems to be playing dumb.

If they lied, then I dont see why not...if they lied of course

Borat
03-21-2012, 07:33 PM
Honestly, I think it could have been much worse for the Saints franchise. Seems like Payton is sort of falling on the sword for them.

Rabscuttle
03-21-2012, 07:37 PM
I really don't know where this is coming from to be honest with you. Our offense is still one of the best in the NFL - however, we could get hammered on the defensive end depending.

I'd expect Vilma to get it the worst but he might get cut whether we sign Curtis Lofton or not... I would also expect Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins to get hit pretty hard. The report says there were 22 or so players.. so, if we are going to win games it might be relying strictly on the offense all season.

Lol we still have a good chance to win the division even after all of this. Our offense won't miss a beat the defense will be better if not that Spags will have people in the right spots.

Well, if losing a couple members of your coaching staff and a few player suspensions is no big deal and things will just go swimmingly, why is this punishment harsh?

WCH
03-21-2012, 07:40 PM
Well, if losing a couple members of your coaching staff and a few player suspensions is no big deal and things will just go swimmingly, why is this punishment harsh?

Don't forget about the eight game suspension for the guy who oversees pretty much all of the day-to-day football operations...

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 07:44 PM
Well, if losing a couple members of your coaching staff and a few player suspensions is no big deal and things will just go swimmingly, why is this punishment harsh?

It's harsh but it's not as bad as some people think. It'll be tough but not impossible to overcome.

Rabscuttle
03-21-2012, 07:47 PM
Don't forget about the eight game suspension for the guy who oversees pretty much all of the day-to-day football operations...

Yeah, I'm starting to think the secretary and the guy that mops the floors would bring this team a Lombardi.

Flyboy
03-21-2012, 07:53 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to think the secretary and the guy that mops the floors would bring this team a Lombardi.

Let's not go all hyperbole into what is being stated in this thread.

Bert Macklin
03-21-2012, 07:59 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to think the secretary and the guy that mops the floors would bring this team a Lombardi.

Khai Harley aka Loomis' protege

Entering his fourth season with the Saints and11th in the NFL, Director of Football Administration Khai Harley’s primary focus is salary cap management. He works in conjunction with the player personnel department, making the club’s player acquisitions fit within the structure of the cap. His duties also include contract negotiations, coordinating different areas of football operations and being involved in the administrative functions of running the club.

Harley has a deep background in NFL salary cap administration, Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) regulations, and the research of player contracts. He arrived in New Orleans in 2008 after serving for five years as the Manager of Labor Operations with the NFL Management Council. He was responsible for ensuring personnel transactions and player contracts submitted by each team complied with the CBA and the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws while also providing advice to club officials during contract negotiations.

hoekd0250
03-21-2012, 08:26 PM
warren sapp reported that he has heard from sources that Jeremy Shockey was the source that snitched recently. If it is true i think for the sake of his health Shockey retire because players will look to end his career around the league if true. Which is why i hope we never actually hear where this came from because guys will have it out for him.

hoekd0250
03-21-2012, 08:32 PM
warren sapp reported that he has heard from sources that Jeremy Shockey was the source that snitched recently. If it is true i think for the sake of his health Shockey retire because players will look to end his career around the league if true. Which is why i hope we never actually hear where this came from because guys will have it out for him.

Rabscuttle
03-21-2012, 08:39 PM
Let's not go all hyperbole into what is being stated in this thread.

You have to admit there is humour in the bipolarish inconsistencies and a jab or two is warranted.

WCH
03-21-2012, 08:40 PM
warren sapp reported that he has heard from sources that Jeremy Shockey was the source that snitched recently. If it is true i think for the sake of his health Shockey retire because players will look to end his career around the league if true. Which is why i hope we never actually hear where this came from because guys will have it out for him.

It's also been reported that Warren Sapp was wrong. Also, nobody is going to intentionally injure the whistleblower(s) after Loomis was suspended half a season, Payton was suspended a season, and Williams may very well have been banned/blacklisted.

Whoever he is, he probably isn't still playing. If he is, he's probably "protected" by the NFL.