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Caulibflower
03-23-2012, 06:23 AM
If Tebow goes basically for a 4th, after his body of work... What would Gabbert get? People have been talking about Tebow being in Jacksonville, and it makes me wonder how much Jacksonville could get for their quarterback after a really, really unimpressive rookie season.

RagingColt
03-23-2012, 07:30 AM
Nothing more than a 5th or 6th rounder at best after Gabberts horrific season.

ImBrotherCain
03-23-2012, 08:04 AM
He can get well more than a 5th or 6th. The guy may have played like crap but was a consensus 1-2 rounder in the draft last year.

I am willing to bet he would fetch a 3rd at minimum.

PackerLegend
03-23-2012, 09:01 AM
A pile of fresh cut pubes on a good day.

jrdrylie
03-23-2012, 09:13 AM
Gabbert would fetch at least a 4th round pick and maybe even a 3rd rounder.

regoob2
03-23-2012, 09:22 AM
I dont understand why Jacksonville didnt offer Gabbert for Tebow.

bucfan12
03-23-2012, 11:03 AM
Jaguars OC Bob Bratkowski and QBs coach Greg Olson plan to tinker with Blaine Gabbert's footwork this offseason.

Bratkowski praised Gabbert's "arm talent," but emphasized that he must slow his drops and stand taller in the pocket. The coaches also want to eliminate a hop and long step at the end of Gabbert's drop. Bratkowski and Olson have their hands full in also eliminating Gabbert's tendency to panic at the slightest sense of pressure.

SO you have two morons trying to coach up a scared QB who is afraid of pressure? As a Bucs fan, I just laugh at any news including Greg Olson and his responsibility to develop any QB. He sucked as an OC in Tampa, St. Louis, and San Fransisco and never did squat. I'm surprised he even got another look in the NFL.

Monomach
03-23-2012, 11:10 AM
SO you have two morons trying to coach up a scared QB who is afraid of pressure? As a Bucs fan, I just laugh at any news including Greg Olson and his responsibility to develop any QB. He sucked as an OC in Tampa, St. Louis, and San Fransisco and never did squat. I'm surprised he even got another look in the NFL.

You can be a horrible OC and still be a good QB coach. That's not unusual or rare.

...and I thought he made Josh Freeman the EMVEEPEEZ?

WCH
03-23-2012, 11:18 AM
Bratkowski praised Gabbert's "arm talent," but emphasized that he must slow his drops and stand taller in the pocket. The coaches also want to eliminate a hop and long step at the end of Gabbert's drop. Bratkowski and Olson have their hands full in also eliminating Gabbert's tendency to panic at the slightest sense of pressure.

...

So they think he sucks.

nepg
03-23-2012, 11:28 AM
I'd be willing to invest a 2nd Round pick in him. Worth the risk -- the risk being that he might not ever get over his issue with feeling a phantom pass rush every time he drops back. He's an elite QB prospect.

...

So they think he sucks.

They have one minor issue to work on and the one everyone has known about since the dawn of time.

WCH
03-23-2012, 11:32 AM
They have one minor issue to work on and the one everyone has known about since the dawn of time.

That's a fairly crippling issue, even if everybody has known about it since the dawn of time.

VernonLawson89
03-23-2012, 12:03 PM
A pile of s**t

mightytitan9
03-23-2012, 01:00 PM
They could still get a 1st or 2nd for him, there's a reason he fell to the pick he did though, teams weren't as high on him as some around these boards were (I wasn't one of them, but many loved him)

I think someone would be willing to trade a late first for him or early second depending on where they are drafting. QB values are going up, we're seeing things revert back to the days when teams could afford to draft QBs and sit them.

regoob2
03-23-2012, 01:13 PM
They could still get a 1st or 2nd for him, there's a reason he fell to the pick he did though, teams weren't as high on him as some around these boards were (I wasn't one of them, but many loved him)

I think someone would be willing to trade a late first for him or early second depending on where they are drafting. QB values are going up, we're seeing things revert back to the days when teams could afford to draft QBs and sit them.

Nobody is giving a 1st or 2nd.

bucfan12
03-23-2012, 01:35 PM
You can be a horrible OC and still be a good QB coach. That's not unusual or rare.

...and I thought he made Josh Freeman the EMVEEPEEZ?

Freeman played better when he took control of the offense and playcalling.

Olson was never a good QBs coach either though, that's my point.

K Train
03-23-2012, 01:46 PM
I'd be willing to invest a 2nd Round pick in him. Worth the risk -- the risk being that he might not ever get over his issue with feeling a phantom pass rush every time he drops back. He's an elite QB prospect.

They have one minor issue to work on and the one everyone has known about since the dawn of time.

no, hes not...and he wasnt this time last year either

A Perfect Score
03-23-2012, 01:47 PM
no, hes not...and he wasnt this time last year either

Boom. He's never been elite. He's never been close, in fact. If anything, spending all last year starting in Jax only exacerbated the problems he had in college...Happy feet in the pocket, poor accuracy, an inability to read a defense, being an enormous *****, etc.

yodabear
03-23-2012, 01:48 PM
My dog's ****

K Train
03-23-2012, 01:50 PM
i never saw the top 10 hype, i didnt even really see the first round hype but i did see that he had potential so ok ill bite on that, but he was still a far cry from elite as a prospect even if the potential was there. people throw around the term elite like nothing

no one wants to be known as "this years blaine gabbert" lol

Scotty D
03-23-2012, 02:13 PM
Probably a 4th.

BeerBaron
03-23-2012, 02:31 PM
I wouldn't trade a pile of dog **** for him. I'd give up picks to keep him off of my team.

No amount of coaching is going to "fix" him. He plays scared. You don't fix that.

CAA QB prospects tend to get grossly overdrafted. If you're a QB, I don't know why you'd sign with anyone else to represent you. Gabbert needed a metric **** ton of work before he ever should set foot on an NFL field, and now that he's been exposed early, I don't see him recovering.

descendency
03-23-2012, 03:02 PM
You'd have to pay his salary as well as give him to me for nothing.

He's total ****.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-23-2012, 03:12 PM
I'd give a 7th for him. I'm sure he's an awesome scout team QB.

BeerBaron
03-23-2012, 03:13 PM
I'd give a 7th for him. I'm sure he's an awesome scout team QB.

If only he could wear that red shirt in the games....

WCH
03-23-2012, 03:19 PM
I'd give a 7th for him. I'm sure he's an awesome scout team QB.

Are you sure you wouldn't rather use that pick on a Long Snapper?

Caulibflower
03-24-2012, 04:47 PM
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Caulibflower
03-24-2012, 04:48 PM
This is how bad Gabbert is: Michael Lombardi writes an article on NFL.com blasting Mark Sanchez for not reacting to the Tebow signing with the competitive fire a supposed "franchise QB" ought to have, and compares the situation in New York to Jacksonville. He describes the dynamics of both teams, their style of play, and how Tebow compares to Sanchez. He talks about how Tebow, in Jacksonville, would invigorate the fan base while learning to play and perhaps eventually taking over at QB. Lombardi manages to go through the entire article, which was about Tebow replacing an incumbent, highly-drafted QB, without so much as mentioning the name of the guy Tebow would presumably be pushing for the job in Jacksonville, who incidentally was drafted 10th overall only last year.

THAT is pretty pathetic. The tenth overall pick doesn't even get referenced by name a year later when league analysts are talking about who should be starting on his team.

Brent
03-24-2012, 05:24 PM
lol at people giving up a first or second. what's it like to not be able to see glaring, obvious, devastating flaws in qb prospects?
I'll trade you a Doritos Locos Taco for Gabbert

BeerBaron
03-24-2012, 05:27 PM
I'll trade you a Doritos Locos Taco for Gabbert

Apparently people drive 900 miles for those. That's worth more than Blaine Gabbert.

Brent
03-24-2012, 05:28 PM
Apparently people drive 900 miles for those. That's worth more than Blaine Gabbert.
I havent had fast food since I was in high school, but I cannot imagine that it's worth Gabbert.

Caulibflower
03-24-2012, 05:51 PM
The taco would be tougher than Gabbert, but probably more brittle and injury-prone.

descendency
03-24-2012, 11:24 PM
Apparently people drive 900 miles for those. That's worth more than Blaine Gabbert.

Maybe Jacksonville can let their fans live in the stadium, that way, no one has to drive to see Gabbert play!

or instead of covering the 'extra' seats with tarps, they can cover them with blowup dolls. It'll be the most excited looking crowd in the stadium!

ChiFan24
03-24-2012, 11:27 PM
I'd be willing to invest a 2nd Round pick in him. Worth the risk -- the risk being that he might not ever get over his issue with feeling a phantom pass rush every time he drops back. He's an elite QB prospect.



They have one minor issue to work on and the one everyone has known about since the dawn of time.

Is there a QB in the NFL you don't like?

Ngatachance92
03-24-2012, 11:36 PM
I'll trade you a Doritos Locos Taco for Gabbert

Khans not getting my taco, he can keep his cowardly QB. If Madden had a deer in headlights attribute he would have the first 100 rating for that.

nepg
03-24-2012, 11:52 PM
no, hes not...and he wasnt this time last year either
Yeah, he was. People were in error to put him above the other three elite QB prospects from 2011, but his tools and intangibles were still in the elite category. He just had the problem that he still has and wasn't a guy that would be ready to start from Day 1. He's still the same prospect he was last year. I haven't seen anything from him that wasn't in line with my thoughts on him before the draft last year.

Ngatachance92
03-25-2012, 02:01 AM
People just like to use the word intangibles to defend any ****** quarterback because they think its hard to disprove because its you know... Not tangible.... and it justifies to themselves that the prospect they have chosen to back still has hope of turning it around.

Caulibflower
03-25-2012, 02:34 AM
People just like to use the word intangibles to defend any ****** quarterback because they think its hard to disprove because its you know... Not tangible.... and it justifies to themselves that the prospect they have chosen to back still has hope of turning it around.

Not to mention that even his supporters acknowledge that his problem is a lack of pocket presence... which is the epitome of an intangible trait.

TitanHope
03-25-2012, 03:24 AM
Yeah, he was. People were in error to put him above the other three elite QB prospects from 2011, but his tools and intangibles were still in the elite category. He just had the problem that he still has and wasn't a guy that would be ready to start from Day 1. He's still the same prospect he was last year. I haven't seen anything from him that wasn't in line with my thoughts on him before the draft last year.

Other three elite QB prospects? What in God's name is your definition of "elite?"

The only QB from the 2011 draft that was close to being elite would be Cam Newton, and that's after using a lot of revisionist history since many thought he was an entitled punk who might struggle to transition to a pro style offense while also adjusting to the speed of the NFL. A lot of people thought Locker was a mid-to-late 1st RD QB prospect (he was never ever dropping out of the first, so the talk of him going in the 2nd RD was silly). And when the Vikings took Ponder, damn near everyone thought it was a panic move since Ponder was seen as a early 2nd RD pick who had a chance to slip into the late 1st if a team needing a QB trading back into the 1st for him. No one saw him going at 12th overall.

Gabbert wasn't elite either, mainly because he came out a year earlier than he should have. When a Titans fan asked me what the big deal with Gabbert was, I told him that had Gabbert stayed in school and fixed his flaws like pocket awareness and decision making, then there's a chance he'd become a 1st overall caliber QB. He had the potential to be an elite prospect, so taking him this year at picks 5-12 would be a value should he continue to improve. But the guy never improved, and Jacksonville is partially to blame considering they threw out a guy with a track record of being scared in the pocket into the fire with absolutely zero help around him aside from MoJo Drew.

And drafted players are like new cars. Once they leave the lot, their value plummets. It is a horrible reflection of a player if he's being shopped a year after he's drafted. A QB desperate team is wanting to unload the QB they picked in the 1st RD (and even traded up for) just a year ago, and you want to send them a premium pick?

As for me, I don't think Gabbert is hopeless. When it looked like he wanted to make throws and got in into a rhythm for a fraction of a drive, he looked good with his accuracy and velocity. And he seems like an intelligent guy, so I'm not one to count him out. Especially since his #1 WR was...Mike Thomas? But the odds he'll suddenly develop the toughness to not only make plays but display leadership to teammates are extremely slim. You can be the best sharp shooter in the world, but if you hit the deck whenever somebody sneezes, no soldier's gonna want you watching his back and no commander will feel comfortable putting responsibility on your shoulders. And that's without getting into the basics of any decision making, accuracy, or coverage recognition flaws he may still have.

As for trade value...ugh. 4th RD'er if I'm Belichick or Andy Reid. Make him look good in a few games over a span of two years, and trade him for an improved pick (And I mainly say 4th RD'er because I think Jacksonville would rather sit on him rather than accept a 5th). Anyone else, just look elsewhere.

The Alex
03-25-2012, 03:54 AM
I still find it hilarious that people were criticizing the Titans for taking Locker over Gabbert.

Bengalsrocket
03-25-2012, 05:13 AM
I still find it hilarious that people were criticizing the Titans for taking Locker over Gabbert.

I'm not a fan of either team, so I never really saw much of the news around them, but I can't believe anyone would criticize the Titans for taking Locker. Locker had 1st overall pick written all over him before his senior year.

He didn't light the world on fire his senior year like everyone though and Newton got a lot of hype right before the draft (mostly due to his measurable traits but also because he was a rather polarizing prospect). Had either of those things NOT happened, he would have been in consideration for the top pick imo.

Titans have a future stud on their team I think.

TitanHope
03-25-2012, 05:34 AM
If I remember right, I liked Locker the most. I wasn't in love with any of the QB's, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who was. They all had questions. Major questions. Still, I wasn't really overly critical or complimentary of any one of them though. Kinda took a "Sure, whatever" mentality when the Titans were linked to a QB. I think the nicest thing I ever said about Gabbert was he had handsome hair...or something. But if I had to bet on anyone, I would have chosen Locker. I liked how he had already faced adversity in college, being on terrible UW teams so if he struggled in the NFL he knew how to cope, his physical skillset, and his character. Figured if a guy like Newton or Gabbert struggled, it'd be like smacking their face against a brick wall that they never saw coming. Fortunately for Newton, he's above the problems of mere mortals. So yeah, yaaaaay Locker!

But then again, had we taken Gabbert, he'd have sat on the bench all season, and he'd be looking at taking over a situation where he'd have an elite pass-blocking OL and a #1 WR like Kenny Britt, so should he panic, he's got an outlet that can win a jump ball 9/10 times. It's just a way better situation than J'Ville, and should Locker pan out and Gabbert not, apologists will point out their outcomes being partially to due with the situations of the teams they went to. If there was a way to cure, or at least hide, Gabbert's skittishness, it was by sitting him for at least a year and giving him a great OL that makes him feel secure. Now, it looks like the damage has been done, and he's looking at Stage 5 Carr Syndrome.

Sad thing is this could have probably been tempered. Not sure if that's Gene Smith's fault for trying to be the smartest guy in the room, or Jack Del Rio's out of desperation for his job.

WCH
03-25-2012, 06:29 AM
I wasn't in love with any of the QB's, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who was. They all had questions. Major questions. Still, I wasn't really overly critical or complimentary of any one of them though.


I agree. It's outlandish to think that there were four "elite" QB prospects last year. In almost 20 years of following the draft, '99 and '04 are the only drafts I can recall that had even three elite prospects at the QB position (in the case of 1999, that's become a bit of a case study for me, in how to not be fooled by QB prospects). 2011 doesn't even come close.

Of the guys in the 2011 draft, I agree that they all had major question marks. I liked Dalton the most, and I'd have used a mid-first on him. Mentally, he had the skillset that you look for (a "less-good" version of Luck might be a solid comparison).

I actually fell in love with Newton, but I immediately downgrade one-year starters, on the grounds that there just isn't enough game-tape to know that they didn't have a few fluke performances; or enough time to know that being a BMOC isn't going to kill their work ethic. I also wasn't sold on his character. Newton looks really legit, though.

Locker reminded me a lot of Brett Favre, and that's usually a very bad thing. He had the physical tools and he had proven that he could process information quick enough to make it in the NFL, but I had reservations about his accuracy and I thought his reads were inconsistent. I was actually pretty confident that Locker would bust, but he's doing his best to make me look like an idiot.

I don't think that much needs to be said about Mallett. The rumors involving blow, and being a douche, cost him a lot of money. Now he's going to spend a few years holding a clipboard for Tom Brady.

In Gabbert's case, you have a guy with good size, great athletic ability, and plenty of arm strength; but he had no pocket presence, couldn't really read a defense, and his accuracy was iffy. Do you guys know what we call that type of prospect? A developmental prospect.

Da-Phins
03-25-2012, 10:03 AM
Gabbert and trade value together? HAHAHA good one....

Rabscuttle
03-25-2012, 10:32 AM
Gabbert and trade value together? HAHAHA good one....

Don't laugh too hard, if he would play for $8 per hour your owner would hype him as Marino's doppelganger.

Da-Phins
03-25-2012, 10:54 AM
Don't laugh too hard, if he would play for $8 per hour your owner would hype him as Marino's doppelganger.

:facepalm:

Yeah, ok......

bucfan12
03-25-2012, 11:00 AM
Gabbert showed signs of a scared QB who folds under pressure. To me, getting the fear out of a QB is something entirely different than footwork, film room, and practice

Rabscuttle
03-25-2012, 11:08 AM
:facepalm:

Yeah, ok......

What, he didn't call you with the inside scoop?

Da-Phins
03-25-2012, 11:11 AM
What, he didn't call you with the inside scoop?

Im guessing your a Jags fan arent you? Only reason to get your panties all twisted with the truth of what I was saying.

Steady Lurkin
03-25-2012, 11:37 AM
I'll trade you a Doritos Locos Taco for Gabbert

****, I'll just take a bag of Takis.

descendency
03-25-2012, 12:17 PM
People just like to use the word intangibles to defend any ****** quarterback because they think its hard to disprove because its you know... Not tangible.... and it justifies to themselves that the prospect they have chosen to back still has hope of turning it around.

not tangible doesn't mean that it can't be disproved.

For example, pocket presence is an intangible and he clearly doesn't have that.

Steady Lurkin
03-25-2012, 12:22 PM
I think pocket presence is absolutely a tangible and measurable trait.

TitanHope
03-25-2012, 12:41 PM
I think pocket presence is absolutely a tangible and measurable trait.

Yeah, it's like reading coverages. Just because it's mental doesn't mean it's intangible.

I always considered intangibles to be, like, coachability, leadershipness, clutchosity, etc.

Rabscuttle
03-25-2012, 01:11 PM
Im guessing your a Jags fan arent you? Only reason to get your panties all twisted with the truth of what I was saying.

Awesome. The Ross era should just keep giving and giving. You may want to get some tips from Bengals fans on developing a sense of humour/thicker skin if you are going to make it through this.

Da-Phins
03-25-2012, 01:14 PM
Awesome. The Ross era should just keep giving and giving. You may want to get some tips from Bengals fans on developing a sense of humour/thicker skin if you are going to make it through this.

:facepalm:

Gotta love Jags fans. They get all butt hurt that there franchise is so dumb to have Gabbert as there QB then they piss and moan on other teams. HAHA yeah I feel for ya man. Well atleast we have a QB who is actually a decent starter. Sorry....

Well its pretty clear your trolling so....cya *****! Welcome to my ignore. If you dont like it, then tough.

TitanHope
03-25-2012, 01:25 PM
I'm fairly positive Rabscuttle is a 49ers fan, so yeah...

Rabscuttle
03-25-2012, 01:26 PM
:facepalm:

Gotta love Jags fans. They get all butt hurt that there franchise is so dumb to have Gabbert as there QB then they piss and moan on other teams. HAHA yeah I feel for ya man. Well atleast we have a QB who is actually a decent starter. Sorry....

Well its pretty clear your trolling so....cya *****! Welcome to my ignore. If you dont like it, then tough.

This just gets funnier. He even sent a p.m. still wet with tears.

Da-Phins
03-25-2012, 01:26 PM
I'm fairly positive Rabscuttle is a 49ers fan, so yeah...

Well the way he was going he was a butt hurt Jags fan. I really never heard of the guy until here so its whatever. News to me...

Gotta love the trolls though.

Rabscuttle
03-25-2012, 01:36 PM
really, his intangibles? which ones, specifically?

hint: he doesn't have any.

He has hair like Jeremy Roenick and that has to count for something.

What may have thrown people off a bit on him was that even 3 man rushes were getting in his grill in a heartbeat so the skittish thing may have been overlooked as Gabbert knowing he had to get rid of the ball in a hurry to make plays.

Perhaps years of beatdowns will numb the pain like it did for Alex Smith. That approach may finally be starting to pay dividends for the Niners.

Steady Lurkin
03-25-2012, 01:42 PM
He has hair like Jeremy Roenick and that has to count for something.

What may have thrown people off a bit on him was that even 3 man rushes were getting in his grill in a heartbeat so the skittish thing may have been overlooked as Gabbert knowing he had to get rid of the ball in a hurry to make plays.

Perhaps years of beatdowns will numb the pain like it did for Alex Smith. That approach may finally be starting to pay dividends for the Niners.

Three man rushes get in his grill because he drifts and/or scrambles into the rush. He is allergic to simply stepping up. Same problem he had in college - everyone killed Mizzou's o-line, but he made that unit look much worse than it really was.

Rabscuttle
03-25-2012, 01:56 PM
Three man rushes get in his grill because he drifts and/or scrambles into the rush. He is allergic to simply stepping up. Same problem he had in college - everyone killed Mizzou's o-line, but he made that unit look much worse than it really was.

Lack of trust in his receivers to come uncovered and poor vision can keep a guy from stepping up and delivering too. Whatever his deal is, his position coach will deserve a fat bonus if he ever develops.

Ngatachance92
03-25-2012, 05:39 PM
They just need to put him in a car with a mountain lion and make him drive around for a bit. That'll fix him.

Brothgar
03-25-2012, 05:44 PM
:facepalm:

Gotta love Jags fans. They get all butt hurt that there franchise is so dumb to have Gabbert as there QB then they piss and moan on other teams. HAHA yeah I feel for ya man. Well atleast we have a QB who is actually a decent starter. Sorry....

Well its pretty clear your trolling so....cya *****! Welcome to my ignore. If you dont like it, then tough.

They have Chad Henne you have Matt Moore your argument is invalid.