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RaidersFan1995
04-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Hi I'm new and I don't know if this is the right section to post this, but I was wondering what the consensus on OLB Philip Wheeler is. I'm not a scout so im not really sure how to grade him based on some vids I found on him. Profootballfocus has him rated as a good run stopper and decent pass defender. From these videos, what makes him a good run stopper?

http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/

TheFinisher
04-01-2012, 06:21 PM
Hi I'm new and I don't know if this is the right section to post this, but I was wondering what the consensus on OLB Philip Wheeler is. I'm not a scout so im not really sure how to grade him based on some vids I found on him. Profootballfocus has him rated as a good run stopper and decent pass defender. From these videos, what makes him a good run stopper?

http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/

I don't really know much about Phillip Wheeler so I can only comment on what I see in those videos, and I only watched the top videos against Cleveland. I think he has pretty good recognition skills and for the most part understands where his run fits are on most plays. So he knows what he's doing and does a good job of getting to his fit, and on inside runs keeping outside leverage and funneling the ball back to his Mike.

However, I'm not particularly impressed with his tackling in this video and would have graded that out as poor. I would like to see him bring a little more with him on his strikes so the ballcarrier isn't dragging him for extra yardage, but in his defense Peyton Hillis is a load and has done that to a lot of defenders. I also would like to see him be a little more aggressive on plays where he has an opportunity for the TFL, he looks to second guess himself on more than one occasion when he should have taken the run through.

I also don't agree with the author of the article that he looks lost in the passing game. I thought he was very consistent in his dropback depth and displayed a nice feel for receivers that were coming into his zone. Cleveland was running a ton of play action and Wheeler was doing a nice job of not biting. There weren't a ton of flashy bat downs or anything like that, but such is life as a Sam in the Cover 2. Most of the INTs that are thrown to Sams and Wills in that D are passes that should have never been thrown by the QB.

I'd say he was all around very solid that game and didn't have many MAs, which as a coach is what you want. If he can learn to trust his ability a little more I think he can take that next step as a playmaker for his defense. Right now he's just nothing more than solid, reliable.

killxswitch
04-01-2012, 06:21 PM
He's a tentative pilejumper. He did improve some last year but I think he'd be better off as a rush OLB. Not really starting material either.

Borat
04-01-2012, 07:21 PM
My advice: don't use pro football focus.

RaidersFan1995
04-01-2012, 07:32 PM
Is pro football focus not a reliable site?

Borat
04-01-2012, 07:38 PM
Is pro football focus not a reliable site?

If you're looking for a site that offers horrific player evaluations, then it's extremely reliable.

RaidersFan1995
04-01-2012, 07:44 PM
Can you recommend a site with good evaluations?

Borat
04-01-2012, 07:53 PM
Can you recommend a site with good evaluations?

You got me there. I don't trust anyone else's opinion, so I just go off my own observations and research.

As for PFF, I stopped looking at their site when they graded out Vernon Davis as the 77th-ranked tight end when he had that monster season a couple of years ago, tying the TE TD-record. That told me all I needed to know about that site.

ChiFan24
04-02-2012, 02:21 AM
PFF isn't bad as long as you're not an idiot and take everything with a grain of salt. I think they grade each player on a play by play basis and rate players based on their per play average (or something like that). Obviously something subjective like that is going to have its faults, but there's also been times that they've been totally right about players that nobody else was really noticing.

ChiFan24
04-02-2012, 02:21 AM
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GaMeTiMe
04-02-2012, 03:03 AM
Hi I'm new and I don't know if this is the right section to post this, but I was wondering what the consensus on OLB Philip Wheeler is. I'm not a scout so im not really sure how to grade him based on some vids I found on him. Profootballfocus has him rated as a good run stopper and decent pass defender. From these videos, what makes him a good run stopper?



Well that makes one of us, right everybody??!!

Seamus2602
04-03-2012, 05:14 AM
Wheeler is a good player against the run but he has largely speaking been more of a 2-Down Linebacker so far in his career as he struggles against the pass. He’s a good read and react type guy, locates the ball quickly and takes good angles and he doesn’t miss too many tackles. But he struggles in zone coverage and is a complete liability in man coverage. The only way he’d succeed as a 3-Down Linebacker is if he plays as a Rush Linebacker in the 3-4, something he excelled at in college but was rarely asked to do for the Colts.

Matthew Jones
04-04-2012, 09:20 AM
Wheeler should be a great fit in Oakland's defense as an effective blitzer from the outside linebacker position.