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49ersfan_87
04-07-2012, 02:56 PM
Favorite

-Love the Brandon Lloyd signing. 3/12 is a steal and i think he'll be the most productive of any FA WR with Brady/McDaniels

-Like Oakland getting a solid pair of starting CB's with Bartell and Spencer. Both are decent CB's who fell out of favor under new regimes for different reasons.

-Peyton Hillis at 1/3 is a low risk/high reward move.

-Saints in general had a solid FA period. Hawthorne, Lofton, Brunkley, and Grubbs is a pretty nice haul. I'm not a big fan of their 2011 draft and they don't pick until Round 3 in 2012 so they need this FA class to produce, and i think they will.

-I really like Josh Morgan and Robert Meachem for the Redskins/Chargers respectively. I don't think Morgan is worth 5.75 a year but its only a 2 year deal.

-Other solid values- Eric Winston, Jason Jones, Mario Manningham, Laron Landry

What i didn't like

-Laurent Robinson. This one screams FA bust to me. Came out of nowhere and had 1 good season with Romo. 1/5th of all his catches were TD's and that's a very hard if not impossible stat to repeat (i think Grantland.com had a nice article about this signing and stat)

-Eric Wright. Don't think even TB fans like the signing.

-Mario Williams (sort of). I think he has potential to be a dominant player but it just seems too much for me. Don't like that he hasn't had double digit sacks in the last 3 years (although he was on pace last year, who knows what would have happened with the injury). But i still think he can live up to his contract, just not entirely sure, which is why its a "sort of".

-John Carlson. A lot money for a TE who hasn't produced since his rookie year.

Team-wise, i really like what the Chiefs, Saints, and Raiders have done. Broncos too because they've set themselves up to make a championship run, but its all short term. I also think they might miss the loss of Brunkley, unless they can get a comparable DT in the draft (i assume that would be their priority).

What are your opinions? Favorite and least favorite signings and moves of FA?

Rosebud
04-07-2012, 03:04 PM
I love that you keep calling him Brunkley.

YAYareaRB
04-07-2012, 03:11 PM
hes just putting broderick and bunkley together. saves time lol

Go_Eagles77
04-07-2012, 03:16 PM
I miss Bunk. Eagles probably should have kept him over Patterson.

Splat
04-07-2012, 03:17 PM
Eric Winston!!!


































:banana::parrot: :freakout:

NY+Giants=NYG
04-07-2012, 03:17 PM
I like our signing of MB. I think Coughlin, Gilbride and especially Coach Pope can work with MB with now a off season and develop him. I was hoping he'd sign with us, and very glad he did.

WCH
04-07-2012, 05:06 PM
The Packers actually signed players. Veteran players, from other teams. They haven't been this active in FA since they signed Woodson and Pickett.

CJSchneider
04-07-2012, 05:07 PM
In short: our new LB corps

SenorGato
04-07-2012, 05:14 PM
Saints kinda killed FA...got a good G for less than Nicks cost, and Grubbs is basically the LG version of their RG Evans...Bunkley is one of the better 4-3 interior run stuffers in the league...two solid LBs...good for them.

I thought the Jets did a good job...Landry is a great signing for 1/4mil (and he's a pure safety people, I have no idea when this FS/SS thing became a big deal again but a good safety is and always has been both), Pouha is locked up to a solid contract, and Schilens has some untapped potential if he can stay healthy (plus gives the height that you KNOW Jet fans themselves will call for from WR so they can just look at the skill level of draftees without worrying about size). Plus, there's the Tebow trade which, for a 4th, isn't so bad.

OSUGiants17
04-07-2012, 05:14 PM
The Chiefs had a fantastic offseason, adding guys like Boss, Hillis and Winston on Offense were all great moves and replacing Carr with Rout was a good signing as well

SenorGato
04-07-2012, 05:18 PM
The Chiefs had a fantastic offseason, adding guys like Boss, Hillis and Winston on Offense were all great moves and replacing Carr with Rout was a good signing as well

Good call, forgot about them. Hillis for 1/3 is in the same vein as Landry for 1/4, though Landry's been less of an ass towards his bad ex-team. Winston is a solid NFL RT, and Boss when healthy is a decent TE.

Do they still have Leonard Pope over there?

Bearsfan123
04-07-2012, 05:25 PM
Bears:

I like the trade for Marshall, it was brought in for low cost with high reward.

I dislike the signing of Weems. I just didn't see the point. He's good, but I think the money could be used elsewhere.

And I'm sad we haven't come to a deal with Amobi Okoye.

Matthew Jones
04-07-2012, 05:44 PM
A few values I really liked regarding players switching teams:

Broncos sign TE Joel Dreessen

Chiefs sign RB Peyton Hillis

Chiefs sign OT Eric Winston

Colts sign DE Cory Redding

Cowboys sign S Brodney Pool

Giants sign TE Martellus Bennett

Jaguars sign QB Chad Henne

Patriots sign WR Brandon Lloyd

Patriots sign CB Will Allen

Raiders sign CB Ronald Bartell

Redskins sign CB Cedric Griffin

Saints sign LB Chris Chamberlain

Seahawks sign DE Jason Jones

Titans sign OG Steve Hutchinson

indyfan1985
04-07-2012, 07:01 PM
Dont forget about SS Tom Zbikowski to the Colts Matthew Jones. I think he could be a good pickup for us alongside Bethea.

fenikz
04-07-2012, 07:32 PM
Worst: Cardinals - Adam Snyder 5/17.5
Best: Chiefs - Eric Winston 4/22

vidae
04-07-2012, 07:58 PM
I thought the trade for Brandon Marshall was great and I really didn't get giving Eric Wright so much money.

Homer corner, I'm so happy we got Winston.

Pat Sims 90
04-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Cowboys signing Nate Livings is one of the worst moves.

zachsaints52
04-08-2012, 09:36 AM
Really happy with the Saints FA moves. Even with limited cap, signed two new starters for the LB core (badly overdue), got a NT whose one of the better run stuffers in the league so Ellis at the 5 tech can pass rush, Grubbs is still a solid G, and resigned Colston. Overall it was a very very good offseason signing.

Lil Quip
04-08-2012, 12:02 PM
To beat a dead horse, the Chiefs picking up Winston without breaking the bank is a huge coup. I remember earlier it seemed he was scaring teams off with huge contract demands. Getting one of the better RT's at 5.5 mil a year is really nice. Plus they now have a nice set of bookends.

I will be a homer and say Brandon Lloyd. Everyone and their mother expected him to follow McDaniels. Lo and behold, it came true. He is getting up there in age, but 4 mil a year is chump change to the other contracts, and McDaniels has shown he can get great production from him. In addition, he is a different type of receiver than the ones we have been able to develop.

I have to put Mario Williams in the good category. Sure they may have overspent on him, but him in conjunction with their number 10 pick with their pretty much intact core from last year gives them the pieces to jump into the upper echelon. Sure they jumped the gun on the cap floor next year, but I think the success they will have mitigate that. Fitzpatrick buoyed by a strong run game with a healthy Jackson and Spiller can move the ball and that defense will be tough. I think overpaying a few guys to get a lot better as a team can be worth it.

Rosebud
04-08-2012, 12:21 PM
People get too wrapped up in teams "overspending" in FA. Mario Williams is the best FA signing, even at the cost. A great pass rusher like that next to arguably the best DT duo in the league can give the Bills the kind of dominant defensive line that turns that Defense around right away. Sure they still need to add to turn that into a great unit, but god damn it do they have some great pieces to match with an offense that can put points on the board. Bills are really making big steps under their new regime and I think we're not very far from seeing the Bills in the playoffs, especially if they can bolster their depth well.

AntoinCD
04-08-2012, 12:47 PM
People get too wrapped up in teams "overspending" in FA. Mario Williams is the best FA signing, even at the cost. A great pass rusher like that next to arguably the best DT duo in the league can give the Bills the kind of dominant defensive line that turns that Defense around right away. Sure they still need to add to turn that into a great unit, but god damn it do they have some great pieces to match with an offense that can put points on the board. Bills are really making big steps under their new regime and I think we're not very far from seeing the Bills in the playoffs, especially if they can bolster their depth well.

I really disagree with this statement. If anything, overspending is kinda brushed off by most without realising that seldom is it a good thing to do.

I say this with no real knowledge of contract situations within the Bills, but what happens in a few years when Kyle Williams and Dareus need resigned? With all the money invested in Mario Williams, is it smart to put so much money into a certain part of your team?

This kinda sounds silly, but having a team of elite players is almost more of a detriment than a blessing. Playing in the salary cap era you need to prioritise your money.

Not to keep going on, but if you look at the best teams, they don't make huge splashes in FA. GB never do, Pittsburgh, New England, NYG etc. The reason being is, if you spend big on one player and he doesn't pan out then you set the franchise back five years at least.

Good teams are built with a few elite players, good to average starters and good, quality depth. Overspending on any one player takes away your ability to build quality depth.

Matthew Jones
04-08-2012, 12:55 PM
Worst: Cardinals - Adam Snyder 5/17.5
Best: Chiefs - Eric Winston 4/22

It's kind of amazing that Eric Winston was only able to get $22 million while Levi Brown signed for $30 million.

fenikz
04-08-2012, 12:59 PM
well Levi Brown got no guaranteed money

CDCB14
04-08-2012, 01:02 PM
I really disagree with this statement. If anything, overspending is kinda brushed off by most without realising that seldom is it a good thing to do.

I say this with no real knowledge of contract situations within the Bills, but what happens in a few years when Kyle Williams and Dareus need resigned? With all the money invested in Mario Williams, is it smart to put so much money into a certain part of your team?

This kinda sounds silly, but having a team of elite players is almost more of a detriment than a blessing. Playing in the salary cap era you need to prioritise your money.

Not to keep going on, but if you look at the best teams, they don't make huge splashes in FA. GB never do, Pittsburgh, New England, NYG etc. The reason being is, if you spend big on one player and he doesn't pan out then you set the franchise back five years at least.

Good teams are built with a few elite players, good to average starters and good, quality depth. Overspending on any one player takes away your ability to build quality depth.

I don't agree with this. Rosebud is right.

The way free agency works nowadays you have to overpay. Now, going out and giving 5 guys each 20 million more than they are worth is terrible, but if you sign one or two good players who would be significant upgrades on your football team it's worth it if you have to overpay a little bit.

You can't fill every whole with the draft or free agent bargains. Sometimes you have to spend big to get better. There is only 1 super bowl winner among 32 teams every year... just because a team didn't win the super bowl doesn't mean their big money signing wasn't a good deal.

Take the Cowboys and Brandon Carr as an example. Is 50 million overpaying for Carr? Yeah probably, but they needed a CB and didn't want to have to be forced into taking one in the 1st round that might not even turn out to be a good player. Would you rather have them sign some bargain scrub for 2 million? No. They spent some money but they upgraded the position significantly by doing so. It needed to be done.

Big spending at the right time has it's benefits.

bigbluedefense
04-08-2012, 01:04 PM
I really like what KC did. If they can just grab a NT or 5 tech in the draft, a WR and if they just had a qb, they'd be a dangerous team.

Rosebud
04-08-2012, 01:04 PM
I really disagree with this statement. If anything, overspending is kinda brushed off by most without realising that seldom is it a good thing to do.

I say this with no real knowledge of contract situations within the Bills, but what happens in a few years when Kyle Williams and Dareus need resigned? With all the money invested in Mario Williams, is it smart to put so much money into a certain part of your team?

This kinda sounds silly, but having a team of elite players is almost more of a detriment than a blessing. Playing in the salary cap era you need to prioritise your money.

Not to keep going on, but if you look at the best teams, they don't make huge splashes in FA. GB never do, Pittsburgh, New England, NYG etc. The reason being is, if you spend big on one player and he doesn't pan out then you set the franchise back five years at least.

Good teams are built with a few elite players, good to average starters and good, quality depth. Overspending on any one player takes away your ability to build quality depth.

I don't disagree with you very much but IMO QB and DL are the two most important areas to invest. Only after that come DBs, WRs and OL, respectively. So if you're going to build your DL or get that QB the cost is over-stated. Just like Peyton was a great signing regardless of cost so was Mario. The Bills pass rush was awful, with Mario and those DTs it's much easier for them to bring in some young talent to groom and be patient with while having a good line for this kids to step in and contribute to.

The giants went out and signed Plax, McKenzie, Canty, O'Hara, Baas, Pierce, Boley, Rolle. Yes you don't want to build a team full of FAs, but bringing in the right FAs to fill holes you can't in the draft is by no means a sign of doom, and finding a #1 pass rusher who could give you the impact Mario will would be very tough for the Bills to do if they only looked to this draft as there isn't anybody I think will be great as a rookie, some guys could be great down the road and others could be great for a rookie, but no one will be great as a rookie.

SuperMcGee
04-08-2012, 01:20 PM
I really disagree with this statement. If anything, overspending is kinda brushed off by most without realising that seldom is it a good thing to do.

I say this with no real knowledge of contract situations within the Bills, but what happens in a few years when Kyle Williams and Dareus need resigned? With all the money invested in Mario Williams, is it smart to put so much money into a certain part of your team?

This kinda sounds silly, but having a team of elite players is almost more of a detriment than a blessing. Playing in the salary cap era you need to prioritise your money.

Not to keep going on, but if you look at the best teams, they don't make huge splashes in FA. GB never do, Pittsburgh, New England, NYG etc. The reason being is, if you spend big on one player and he doesn't pan out then you set the franchise back five years at least.

Good teams are built with a few elite players, good to average starters and good, quality depth. Overspending on any one player takes away your ability to build quality depth.

Williams is signed for the next 5 years, already. 3 more for Dareus.

And what would you prefer the Bills do? This isn't a team that "makes big splashes" very often. Hell, they get ridiculed for doing just the opposite. But they knew what their top need was, recognized that they weren't going to get a premier pass rusher in the draft this year, and went out and got the top free agent who fills their biggest need and is aided by the existing strength of the team. I just don't see it as a bad move. I think it fits in fine with how we've been building our team. Over the past two years we've been re-signing seemingly important players (K. Williams, Stevie, Florence, Fitzpatrick), bringing in quality players (Barnett, Anderson), making shrewd acquisitions (Pears, Chandler), and we still can make the move for an elite player that we really do need. Our last draft looks pretty awesome, as well, and that's going to be the most important thing to keep up moving forward. The biggest problem I can see in the current building is if you don't think Fitzpatrick can take us anywhere, but that's another well-documented argument altogether.

vidae
04-08-2012, 01:25 PM
I really like what KC did. If they can just grab a NT or 5 tech in the draft, a WR and if they just had a qb, they'd be a dangerous team.

I think we're set at WR (Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin) but I do agree about NT and 5tech. And of course QB. Dorsey is going to be a FA next year and I'd be shocked if they decided to keep him on the roster. Tyson Jackson is owed $14m after next year too so if he doesn't restructure that he won't be around either. Both are really good at run stopping but offer nothing as pass rushers, so 5tech is pretty important.

AntoinCD
04-08-2012, 01:46 PM
Williams is signed for the next 5 years, already. 3 more for Dareus.

And what would you prefer the Bills do? This isn't a team that "makes big splashes" very often. Hell, they get ridiculed for doing just the opposite. But they knew what their top need was, recognized that they weren't going to get a premier pass rusher in the draft this year, and went out and got the top free agent who fills their biggest need and is aided by the existing strength of the team. I just don't see it as a bad move. I think it fits in fine with how we've been building our team. Over the past two years we've been re-signing seemingly important players (K. Williams, Stevie, Florence, Fitzpatrick), bringing in quality players (Barnett, Anderson), making shrewd acquisitions (Pears, Chandler), and we still can make the move for an elite player that we really do need. Our last draft looks pretty awesome, as well, and that's going to be the most important thing to keep up moving forward. The biggest problem I can see in the current building is if you don't think Fitzpatrick can take us anywhere, but that's another well-documented argument altogether.

I'd be happy with another decade of mediocrity but thats the Pats fan in me talking :wave:

Really though, I wasn't specifically saying just about the Bills pick up of Williams. In many ways, some that you mentioned it is a very good get. Not only does the defensive line become a real strength but even off the field he will put people in seats and let's be honest, he helps people sit up and take notice of the Bills.

I just think that taking that gamble on one player can really hold a team back unless he becomes a dominant player.

The QB situation is obviously a big thing. It is easier to take an approach like the Packers when you have a great QB, however as you mentioned Fitzpatrick may or may not be the guy.

Personally I stand by saying overspending is not a good thing to do. I can understand why teams do it every year, and I can understand why Bills fans have quite a bit of optimism heading into the season. However, if you look through the teams who made big splashes in the last decade, it's hard to find many who have had consistent, prolonged success.

vidae
04-08-2012, 02:01 PM
hands down best move: signing peyton and trading tebow.

And today, on homer corner..

Rosebud
04-08-2012, 02:01 PM
I'd be happy with another decade of mediocrity but thats the Pats fan in me talking :wave:

Really though, I wasn't specifically saying just about the Bills pick up of Williams. In many ways, some that you mentioned it is a very good get. Not only does the defensive line become a real strength but even off the field he will put people in seats and let's be honest, he helps people sit up and take notice of the Bills.

I just think that taking that gamble on one player can really hold a team back unless he becomes a dominant player.

The QB situation is obviously a big thing. It is easier to take an approach like the Packers when you have a great QB, however as you mentioned Fitzpatrick may or may not be the guy.

Personally I stand by saying overspending is not a good thing to do. I can understand why teams do it every year, and I can understand why Bills fans have quite a bit of optimism heading into the season. However, if you look through the teams who made big splashes in the last decade, it's hard to find many who have had consistent, prolonged success.

I dunno. Three of the past 4 superbowls have been one by teams that wouldn't have won without their big FA signings. For the giants 07 superbowl those where Plax, McKenzie, O'Hara, Canty and Pierce, the Saints it included Drew Brees, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer and Darren Sharper, for the giants latest success that list included McKenzie, Baas, Canty, Boley and Rolle.

Over paying across the board is a bad idea and the Raiders and Redskins of the past decade re-iterate that fact, but making a few big moves for big pieces that fill holesis very important.

Rosebud
04-08-2012, 02:02 PM
And today, on homer corner..

He's right though. If it weren't for the age thing he'd be my number 1 pick over Mario as well.

AntoinCD
04-08-2012, 02:08 PM
I dunno. Three of the past 4 superbowls have been one by teams that wouldn't have won without their big FA signings. For the giants 07 superbowl those where Plax, McKenzie, O'Hara, Canty and Pierce, the Saints it included Drew Brees, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer and Darren Sharper, for the giants latest success that list included McKenzie, Baas, Canty, Boley and Rolle.

Over paying across the board is a bad idea and the Raiders and Redskins of the past decade re-iterate that fact, but making a few big moves for big pieces that fill holesis very important.

A lot of those FA signings though are similar to the type of signings that the Patriots make. Most of them are low risk type pick ups. Obviously Drew Brees is the name that stands out there, but at the time people did not know if he could still play. Hell Nick Saban chose Daunte Culpepper over him.

Rosebud
04-08-2012, 02:11 PM
A lot of those FA signings though are similar to the type of signings that the Patriots make. Most of them are low risk type pick ups. Obviously Drew Brees is the name that stands out there, but at the time people did not know if he could still play. Hell Nick Saban chose Daunte Culpepper over him.

Darren Sharper and Jonathon Vilma were the only ones of those guys that didn't get a huge deal in free agency to come join them. Brees was a risk but he still signed a big contract in FA ust like Mario Williams did.

Giantsfan1080
04-08-2012, 02:13 PM
Canty wasn't on the 07 team Rose.

Rosebud
04-08-2012, 02:15 PM
Canty wasn't on the 07 team Rose.

Damnit man. Why you gotta do me like that, using your "facts" to point out my errors. Not cool bro.

TitanHope
04-08-2012, 02:38 PM
Don't hate on the Bills for giving Mario Williams his contract.

Hate on the Bills for giving Mark Anderson his contract.

Rosebud
04-08-2012, 02:44 PM
Don't hate on the Bills for giving Mario Williams his contract.

Hate on the Bills for giving Mark Anderson his contract.

Eh, for a season or two he could luck his way into enough sucks playing next to Mario-Dareus-Kyle. They do need to take a guy in the third to groom into that other starter, but Mark Anderson might just produce enough that it's not even a bad contract. I know he sucks, but he's not terrible at getting easy sacks, which is what they need from him.

VernonLawson89
04-08-2012, 02:47 PM
Just happy we got all 11 guys back on Defense

49ersfan_87
04-08-2012, 03:40 PM
Just happy we got all 11 guys back on Defense

For the 49ers, this was the most important thing to do in FA (that and add at least 1 WR who can make plays, which i'm hoping one of Moss/Manningham can do). If Perrish Cox can stay out of trouble that can be a big steal too. Now we're set to go BPA in the draft which is great for our team. None of the rookies need to be forced into a early role either.

vidae
04-08-2012, 03:47 PM
hey, i've gone 6 years without a homer post. i'm allowed one!

Fair enough sir!

OzTitan
04-08-2012, 08:03 PM
Hutch and Wimbley are ok enough signings but I was kinda expecting maybe one or two more mid range signings by the Titans, on the DL, LB or at CB.

SickwithIt1010
04-08-2012, 08:25 PM
Gotta go with my guys...pretty damn stoked about the trade for Demeco Ryans.

jojo
04-14-2012, 02:45 PM
Gotta go with my guys...pretty damn stoked about the trade for Demeco Ryans.

LB was a glaring hole that needed to be fixed, & Ryans was an MVP in Houston.

Liking Brodney Pool as the new Dallas FS, like it even more if they got him some help in the secondary in the draft. I've never been a Sensabaugh fan.

RaiderNation
04-14-2012, 02:47 PM
Raiders found 2 starting CB's for this season, while DVD and Chekwa get a full off season to improve. Also signed veteran RG Mike Breisel, who is a perfect fit for the new ZBS. My underrated signing for the Raiders has to be Dave Tollefson, who will give us a much needed boost at pass rush from DE and sometimes even DT.

Splat
04-14-2012, 02:51 PM
I really like what KC did. If they can just grab a NT or 5 tech in the draft, a WR and if they just had a qb, they'd be a dangerous team.

You must have missed the signing of Brady Quinn. :parrot:

GallopingGhost
04-14-2012, 02:56 PM
Manning easily best signing, close second being BLloyd. Third Hillis. Can't really say which is the worst right now, but i think LRobinson will fall off.

49ersfan_87
04-14-2012, 06:05 PM
Raiders found 2 starting CB's for this season, while DVD and Chekwa get a full off season to improve. Also signed veteran RG Mike Breisel, who is a perfect fit for the new ZBS. My underrated signing for the Raiders has to be Dave Tollefson, who will give us a much needed boost at pass rush from DE and sometimes even DT.

I like Oakland's FO and think they're heading in the right direction. If they had more premium picks (aka their 1st through 3rd rounders) i might have even predicted them as a darkhorse to win their division or make a wildcard. But the lack of picks can slow down a rebuilding process, even if you're going in the right direction. I also don't trust Palmer at all anymore, he's good for a lot of boneheaded turnovers.

armageddon
04-15-2012, 06:24 PM
Rams filled several holes

LB Jo-Lonn Dunbar (from New Orleans)

CB Cortland Finnegan (from Tennessee)

DE William Hayes (from Tennessee)

DT Kendall Langford (from Miami)

DT Trevor Laws (from Philadelphia)

TE Matt Mulligan (from NY Jets)

G/T Quinn Ojinnaka (from Indianapolis)

WR Steve Smith (from Philadelphia)

G/C Robert Turner (from NY Jets)

C Scott Wells (from Green Bay

SenorGato
04-16-2012, 01:53 AM
Langford is a really talented player.

T-RICH49
04-16-2012, 11:11 AM
I really like what KC did. If they can just grab a NT or 5 tech in the draft, a WR and if they just had a qb, they'd be a dangerous team.

that alone is what's holding us back.we have one of the if not the worst QB in the AFCW let alone NFL