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UTPATS
04-13-2012, 09:10 AM
Up to date picks from the final forum mock draft:

1.26) Nick Perry, OLB, USC

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/nick-perry-icon.jpg

2.48) Jerel Worthy, DE, Michigan State

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Jerel-Worthy.jpg

2.61) Brandon Boykin, CB/PR, Georgia

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Boykin.jpg

3.81) LaMichael James, RB/KR, Oregon

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/James.jpg

4.113) Philip Blake, C, Baylor

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/philip-blake.jpg

4.135) Jarius Wright, WR/KR, Arkansas

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Wright.jpg

5.139) Aaron Henry, FS, Wisconsin

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Henry.jpg

5.152) DeAngelo Peterson, TE, LSU

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Peterson.jpg

6.177) Nate Potter, OT, Boise State

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/nate-potter.jpg

6.186) DeAngelo Tyson, NT, Georgia

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Tyson.jpg

7.222) ???

cmd34
04-13-2012, 12:18 PM
My feeling right now is sit and wait and see who falls to 14. I wouldn't trade down until then. Maybe work out some potential trade downs but nothing until we see who is there. If DeCastro or Cox are there, I take them. If not, I move down to the 18 to 20 range.

I'd also seriously consider jumping back into the late first round for Pete Konz.

We should definitely come out of this draft with 2 upgraded starters and probably 2 more contributors/future starters.

Guys I really like in the mid-to-late rounds are Joe Adams, Janzen Jackson, Akiem Hicks, and Rhett Ellison.

My sleeper in Round 7 is Bowie State linebacker/end Delano Johnson, who also played basketball. I get a Erik Wladen vibe off him.

Anyway, good luck and have fun. PM me or hit me up on twitter (also cmd34) if you want a sounding board.

D-Unit
04-13-2012, 03:07 PM
My feeling right now is sit and wait and see who falls to 14. I wouldn't trade down until then. Maybe work out some potential trade downs but nothing until we see who is there. If DeCastro or Cox are there, I take them. If not, I move down to the 18 to 20 range.

I'd also seriously consider jumping back into the late first round for Pete Konz.

We should definitely come out of this draft with 2 upgraded starters and probably 2 more contributors/future starters.

Guys I really like in the mid-to-late rounds are Joe Adams, Janzen Jackson, Akiem Hicks, and Rhett Ellison.

My sleeper in Round 7 is Bowie State linebacker/end Delano Johnson, who also played basketball. I get a Erik Wladen vibe off him.

Anyway, good luck and have fun. PM me or hit me up on twitter (also cmd34) if you want a sounding board.
Who would you take in the 18-20 range?

cmd34
04-13-2012, 03:30 PM
Who would you take in the 18-20 range?

Someone is going to slip out of Barron, Kirkpatrick, your boy Brockers, Coples, etc. they can't all be drafted in 19 spots.

I just like thier value at 20 much more than at 14.

Worst case scenario I take Gilmore, Glenn, or Konz there, although it may be a little high for Konz.

D-Unit
04-13-2012, 04:05 PM
Someone is going to slip out of Barron, Kirkpatrick, your boy Brockers, Coples, etc. they can't all be drafted in 19 spots.

I just like thier value at 20 much more than at 14.

Worst case scenario I take Gilmore, Glenn, or Konz there, although it may be a little high for Konz.
If I went by the results of the 5 rounds in 5 days mock, those guys would all be gone by 20 except Gilmore and Konz. I agree that's a little high for Konz, but what do we do with Gilmore? Are you thinking he's a replacement for Mike Jenkins? Or do you like him in the slot? Trying to think of his best impact to the team. I don't quite see the value in taking him there versus the CBs that will be available later in the draft. Especially with many scouting reports out there calling his ceiling as a good #2 type CB. Do you think he's #1 type CB material? Just curious.

pocketaces
04-13-2012, 04:34 PM
Hey guys, I'm picking for the Boys in the Final Forum Mock on here. I'm excited because this will be my first time picking for the Cowboys in a Mock, most of the time its the Titans or someone.

I would appreciate some input on the picks but I will make the final decision about what I think would be best for the team. We have one of the best Team Forums around and I will take every suggestion seriously because you guys know your stuff.

I will use this thread to post whats going on, what guys are avail, what guys are falling a bit. I will most likely use PM to talk about specific things I'm thinking because I dont want to give away too much info.

For starters, are there any situations where you see us moving up in round one? What about moving down?

Id stay put and go BPA unless it was just to good to pass up.

Trogdor
04-14-2012, 05:56 AM
At 14 insta-grab: DeCastro or Cox and depending on your opinion of Ingram you can add him to your list.

Trading down adds a ton of different targets but we can discuss that if you get any good offers and both "blue chip need" prospects are gone.

pocketaces
04-14-2012, 07:29 AM
At 14 insta-grab: DeCastro or Cox and depending on your opinion of Ingram you can add him to your list.

Trading down adds a ton of different targets but we can discuss that if you get any good offers and both "blue chip need" prospects are gone.

What about Coples?

Trogdor
04-14-2012, 09:14 AM
What about Coples?

Figuring he'd be taken already but yeah I'd grab him before considering trades as well.

UTPATS
04-14-2012, 12:53 PM
Chance to move up to #5 overall, thoughts???

pocketaces
04-14-2012, 01:55 PM
Chance to move up to #5 overall, thoughts???

Why? We arent one player away. No thanks

UTPATS
04-14-2012, 03:54 PM
Even for a third rounder?

pocketaces
04-14-2012, 04:13 PM
Even for a third rounder?

# 5 pick is worth 1700. #14 is worth 1100, our 2nd rounder is worth 450 our 3rd is worth 185. So it would take our 1st and 2nd plus some. They arent giving away #5 for our 1st and 3rd.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Trogdor
04-14-2012, 07:08 PM
If they do laugh menacing and take it.

UTPATS
04-15-2012, 09:00 AM
Stayed put, but have offer to move into the early 20s... thoughts? Suggested trade request?

Caddy
04-15-2012, 09:08 AM
Even for a third rounder?

I was never doing it for just a 1st/3rd... :njx:

pocketaces
04-15-2012, 09:22 AM
Stayed put, but have offer to move into the early 20s... thoughts? Suggested trade request?

Whos avalible at 14? What do you get for the trade down?

Go Cowboys
04-15-2012, 12:17 PM
I would say consider a move down depending on who is all available. I would say it depends exactly how far down into the 20s but I would try to get a 2nd as well at the very least.

Trogdor
04-15-2012, 07:27 PM
Your job should be REALLY easy now.

Cox? Gone.
Poe? Gone.
Barron? *puke* Gone.

Top rated guard and potentially Center still on the board? Check. Run to the podium.

TheFinisher
04-15-2012, 08:10 PM
No! Don't listen to Trogdor, take Michael Brockers!

UTPATS
04-15-2012, 09:06 PM
Not a big Brockers fan and DeCastro sitting there... still would like a move down though....

UTPATS
04-15-2012, 10:36 PM
Moved down to 30 for a 2nd and 4th...Great value in late first and late 2nd...

Trogdor
04-16-2012, 06:52 AM
... You got robbed.

Old values (higher picks are worth even more with the salary structure)
Trade Totals
Trade A (14th pick) Value: 1100
Trade B (30th, 61st, 125th) Value: 959

When trading at least consult the value chart to at least get in the right ballpark.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php

UTPATS
04-16-2012, 08:04 AM
... You got robbed.

Old values (higher picks are worth even more with the salary structure)
Trade Totals
Trade A (14th pick) Value: 1100
Trade B (30th, 61st, 125th) Value: 959

When trading at least consult the value chart to at least get in the right ballpark.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php

Trog... under normal circumstances I would have got a future pick, but this is a mock, future picks really dont mean anything...

And, looking at the other trade downs, I get a better deal then them...People just arent offering much to trade up...

jojo
04-16-2012, 09:46 AM
Just as long as they don't trade out of the 1st rd. That used to drive me apesh*t when Jerry & especially Jimmy Johnson (who should've known better) did that a decade ago.

They're going to get a starter at 14, maybe not the impact rookie phenom, but a starter will suit me fine. Like D says, Barron, Kirkpatrick, Coples on defense or even starter material for the interior OL & I'm happy

pocketaces
04-16-2012, 12:41 PM
Just as long as they don't trade out of the 1st rd. That used to drive me apesh*t when Jerry & especially Jimmy Johnson (who should've known better) did that a decade ago.

They're going to get a starter at 14, maybe not the impact rookie phenom, but a starter will suit me fine. Like D says, Barron, Kirkpatrick, Coples on defense or even starter material for the interior OL & I'm happy

What draft day trade out of the 1st did you not like of Jimmys? Jimmy might have been the best ever at trading down, out, or up for value. I LOVED the way he moved around.

UTPATS
04-16-2012, 01:12 PM
If you haven't seen the updated thread, check out and let me know what you think... pick #30 is coming up quick...

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52153

leroyisgod
04-16-2012, 02:15 PM
If you haven't seen the updated thread, check out and let me know what you think... pick #30 is coming up quick...

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52153

Konz- do it

UTPATS
04-16-2012, 02:34 PM
With the 26th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select...

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/nick-perry-icon.jpg

Nick Perry, OLB, USC

D-Unit
04-16-2012, 03:50 PM
With the 26th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select...

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/nick-perry-icon.jpg

Nick Perry, OLB, USC
Gotta sit down and hear the justification behind this one.

cmd34
04-16-2012, 05:34 PM
I like Perry at 26. Braces us for Spencer departure in 2013 and IMO the best pass rusher coming out this year.

UTPATS
04-16-2012, 06:49 PM
Second round thoughts????

pocketaces
04-16-2012, 07:22 PM
You should have stayed at 30 and drafted Whitney Mercilus. You could grab Doug Martin here, or Reyes or even Kelechi Osemele. Just my 2 cents. Just saw Amini Silatolu and Jarel Worthy are still avalible. Good value there

D-Unit
04-16-2012, 07:44 PM
I like Perry at 26. Braces us for Spencer departure in 2013 and IMO the best pass rusher coming out this year.
You really don't think Spencer can improve with a better DL and secondary? Rather you'd just like to write him off, let a rookie 1st rounder sit on the bench behind him this year and share snaps with Butler as back ups?

The impact you get out a first round OLB next season is rather zilch. You're taking a long term solution to OLB... but that can be done next season just as easily AND at least you'd know for sure that Spencer didn't handle it even with the added help.

I'm just not down with that strategy. If you move down, and Konz is on the board, it's pretty much what you want.

CDCB14
04-16-2012, 08:05 PM
You really don't think Spencer can improve with a better DL and secondary? Rather you'd just like to write him off, let a rookie 1st rounder sit on the bench behind him this year and share snaps with Butler as back ups?

The impact you get out a first round OLB next season is rather zilch. You're taking a long term solution to OLB... but that can be done next season just as easily AND at least you'd know for sure that Spencer didn't handle it even with the added help.

I'm just not down with that strategy. If you move down, and Konz is on the board, it's pretty much what you want.

Now this kid sees the light! :banana:

Trogdor
04-16-2012, 08:17 PM
Ick. So you get 3 quarters in exchange for our dollar and then you draft a super stiff athlete whom is questionable to transition successfully to the 3-4 over a plug-and-play guard at 14 or plug-and-play center at 26.

No offense but this isn't going well. Hoping for a redemption.

UTPATS
04-16-2012, 08:58 PM
I wanted to try something different than picking DeCastro or Brockers or Baron or whatever else we see all the time... I wanted to see how things would shake out if we traded down...

Here are my thoughts, dont really care if you agree, but here they are...

1) We addressed our offensive guard situation this off-season, a second or third round guard to be groomed will work just fine.

2) Spencer was franchised, hasnt signed it yet, and reports keep coming out about him not reporting to off-season workouts. So, moving back was something I wanted to do that was different. It was the best value out of the trade backs at the time of the draft. Getting Perry, will allow Rob to use him in pass rush situations early and can fill in for Ware or Spencer WHEN one of them get tired or hurt. Rotations seem to work well with teams like Pitt and NYG.

3) Konz is not an elite Center. We can take a center in the later rounds and he can play the position this year as well. If Konz was a dominate center, then maybe its a different. Story, plus I looked at trading back up to get him, hoping he would fall to early second round.

In reality, DeCastro would be my pick at 14, but I really wanted to see how things looked in a different light. Already watched DUnit take Brockers and how he did things. I like his draft, but I wanted to try something different.

D-Unit
04-16-2012, 09:25 PM
I wanted to try something different than picking DeCastro or Brockers or Baron or whatever else we see all the time... I wanted to see how things would shake out if we traded down...

Here are my thoughts, dont really care if you agree, but here they are...

1) We addressed our offensive guard situation this off-season, a second or third round guard to be groomed will work just fine.

2) Spencer was franchised, hasnt signed it yet, and reports keep coming out about him not reporting to off-season workouts. So, moving back was something I wanted to do that was different. It was the best value out of the trade backs at the time of the draft. Getting Perry, will allow Rob to use him in pass rush situations early and can fill in for Ware or Spencer WHEN one of them get tired or hurt. Rotations seem to work well with teams like Pitt and NYG.

3) Konz is not an elite Center. We can take a center in the later rounds and he can play the position this year as well. If Konz was a dominate center, then maybe its a different. Story, plus I looked at trading back up to get him, hoping he would fall to early second round.

In reality, DeCastro would be my pick at 14, but I really wanted to see how things looked in a different light. Already watched DUnit take Brockers and how he did things. I like his draft, but I wanted to try something different.
I know how you feel. In reality, there's no wrong or right in mock drafts. Main thing is you enjoy doing it. I like trying something different.

UTPATS
04-17-2012, 08:44 AM
With the 48th pick in the NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select...

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Worthy.jpg

Jerel Worthy, DE, Michigan State

UTPATS
04-17-2012, 10:47 AM
Derek Wolfe just went the pick after Worthy... glad I grabbed Worthy when I did and didnt count on Wolfe even with my second 2nd round pick...

TheFinisher
04-17-2012, 11:00 AM
I'm a big Worthy fan but I'm not sure where he'd fit in our scheme. I was thinking we could groom him into a 1-gapping NT to become Ratliff's eventual replacement, but IDK.

I think I'd rather just scrap the 3-4 and run a more conventional 4-3 if we landed Perry and Worthy with our first 2 picks.

WLB-Carter
MLB-Lee
SLB-Connor

RE-Ware/Butler
UT-Ratliff/Worthy
NT-Worthy/Spears/Brent
LE-Perry/Spencer/Hatcher

We'd be a little thin at LB depth but that DL rotation would be sick.

leroyisgod
04-17-2012, 11:10 AM
I'm a big Worthy fan but I'm not sure where he'd fit in our scheme. I was thinking we could groom him into a 1-gapping NT to become Ratliff's eventual replacement, but IDK.

I think I'd rather just scrap the 3-4 and run a more conventional 4-3 if we landed Perry and Worthy with our first 2 picks.

WLB-Carter
MLB-Lee
SLB-Connor

RE-Ware/Butler
UT-Ratliff/Worthy
NT-Worthy/Spears/Brent
LE-Perry/Spencer/Hatcher

We'd be a little thin at LB depth but that DL rotation would be sick.

I think we could pull off the 4-3 fine.

UTPATS
04-17-2012, 01:33 PM
I have another suprise planned for 61...

cmd34
04-17-2012, 02:17 PM
I think we could pull off the 4-3 fine.

The 4 wouldn't bother me. The 3 would.

UTPATS
04-17-2012, 11:07 PM
With the 61st pick in the NFL Draft, the Cowboys select...

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Boykin.jpg

Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia

UTPATS
04-17-2012, 11:13 PM
With the 81st pick in the NFL Draft, the Cowboys select...

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/James.jpg

LaMichael James, RB, Oregon

cmd34
04-17-2012, 11:25 PM
I really like the last 2 picks. I actually love 3 out of your 4 picks so far and I don't hate Worthy.

UTPATS
04-18-2012, 02:06 PM
Also, I think Perry can rush on Ware's side when he needs a breather. When Ware is tired, he becomes very average.

By having 4 OLB who can play, you will be able to save Ware's legs a little better than in the past. As mentioned before, he's not getting any younger...

UTPATS
04-18-2012, 09:51 PM
With the 113th pick in the NFL draft, the Dallas Cowboys select

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Blake2.jpg

Philip Blake, C, Baylor

UTPATS
04-19-2012, 10:49 AM
Ok guys, here is an alternate draft of what I would have done if I would have stayed at 14 and taken DeCastro like most of you wanted...

14) DeCastro - starting Guard
45) Branch - Decent pass rushing, not in same class as Perry IMO
81) Bentley - solid feisty corner, not near the talent level of Boykin or ST player
113) Blake - starting Center, who I got in the real Mock at same place.


I wouldn't be upset with this draft, but after comparing it so far to what I have, I actually like what I've done as a whole better than the alternative.

26) Nick Perry
48) Jerel Worthy
61) Brandon Boykin
81) LaMichael James
113) Philip Blake
135) Jarius Wright, WR (Wanted Engew, was taken at 133)
139) Aaron Henry, S (Wanted Hardin, but was taken at 130)
155) DeAngelo Peterson, TE (Not my first pick, but an athletic TE with upside)

TheFinisher
04-19-2012, 11:09 AM
Ok guys, here is an alternate draft of what I would have done if I would have stayed at 14 and taken DeCastro like most of you wanted...

14) DeCastro - starting Guard
45) Branch - Decent pass rushing, not in same class as Perry IMO
81) Bentley - solid feisty corner, not near the talent level of Boykin or ST player
113) Blake - starting Center, who I got in the real Mock at same place.


I wouldn't be upset with this draft, but after comparing it so far to what I have, I actually like what I've done as a whole better than the alternative.

26) Nick Perry
48) Jerel Worthy
61) Brandon Boykin
81) LaMichael James
113) Philip Blake

And I'll have two more picks in the 5-6 round range.

Outside of Perry, all of your picks are absolute steals. It would have been even better for me if you picked Mercilus instead of Perry at 26, but that's personal preference so I understand.

I'd be thrilled with that draft though, I could see that class being our foundation for the future.

UTPATS
04-19-2012, 08:00 PM
With the 135the pick in NFL Draft, the Cowboys select...

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Wright.jpg

Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas

UTPATS
04-19-2012, 08:03 PM
With the 139th pick in the NFL Draft, the Cowboys select..

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Henry.jpg

Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin

UTPATS
04-19-2012, 08:06 PM
With the 152nd pick in the NFL Draft, the Cowboys select...

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hijumper34/Peterson.jpg

DeAngelo Peterson, TE, LSU