DBZ Saiyan Saga - Saiyans Win!

[GallopingGhost]

He posted like halfway up the page.

Unless someone has another really good idea, I'm sticking with GG. Something just doesn't sit right with me about him.

He's either evil or a liability. Can't afford either right now.

Well it's a fact i'm not evil, and as for a liability, you need to give me a chance to prove my worth. I understand the game and am able to think outside the box like most.
I know i will contribute to the lynching of evil members.

[GallopingGhost]

I feel like i'm being voted for because of my post about the choosing of the roles. I had no idea and i corrected myself right after i posted. I wouldn't blatantly lie like that with the evidence so clearly against me. I was just throwing out theories, not throwing out facts.

[scottyboy]

I feel like i'm being voted for because of my post about the choosing of the roles. I had no idea and i corrected myself right after i posted. I wouldn't blatantly lie like that with the evidence so clearly against me. I was just throwing out theories, not throwing out facts.

no, you're being voted because you're a crazypants who's flip flopped and voted for like 5 people in one day

[A Perfect Score]

no, you're being voted because you're a crazypants who's flip flopped and voted for like 5 people in one day

Any behaviour this inconsistent is going to get flagged. We can't have a voter out there who is so easily swayed, it leaves openings for bad players to manipulate. Voting tends to snowball in these things, so if we've got someone who is all over the place and ready to crucify people at a moments notice, it could lead to a snowball effect and innocent and useful people dying. It's important to find a balance between town motive and your own convictions; don't just jump back and forth because someone said so.

[GallopingGhost]

no, you're being voted because you're a crazypants who's flip flopped and voted for like 5 people in one day

I've only seriously accused Vidae.
Although i've voted for multiple people, i've made it clear with my posts that i was joking, with the exception of the ATL vote.

[GallopingGhost]

Any behaviour this inconsistent is going to get flagged. We can't have a voter out there who is so easily swayed, it leaves openings for bad players to manipulate. Voting tends to snowball in these things, so if we've got someone who is all over the place and ready to crucify people at a moments notice, it could lead to a snowball effect and innocent and useful people dying. It's important to find a balance between town motive and your own convictions; don't just jump back and forth because someone said so.

To make it clear, i've come up with my own thoughts, posts, and accusations. I haven't sided with anyone really yet. I've agreed with a couple peoples ideas and such, but you cannot call me a bandwagonner.

[vidae]

Why the hell did you vote for me anyway? Jerk!

[ImBrotherCain]

Vote Count

ATL (5): Renji, Gonzo, Trogdor, Vidae
APS (3): Wooty, ATL, Bantx
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (4): BeerBaron, TBW, JVig, Razor
CashmoneyDrew (1): Bulldogs

With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.


I am going to be going out for a few hours please anyone with Mod Powers close the thread if a majority is reached. I will attempt to follow on my phone but no promises.

[A Perfect Score]

What basis do we have for voting ATL? GG seems to be suffering from SuperPacker syndrome, I'm not really reading him as evil, just excited. The ATL votes intrigue me...And why are you voting for Gonzo Shane?

[GallopingGhost]

Why the hell did you vote for me anyway? Jerk!

I didn't vote for you, i just shared my suspicion of you.. I also said, give him a chance to explain himself. I did it because the last game you were vocal but this one you only sided with others, but your post cleared it up for me as i said.

[GallopingGhost]

What basis do we have for voting ATL? GG seems to be suffering from SuperPacker syndrome, I'm not really reading him as evil, just excited. The ATL votes intrigue me...And why are you voting for Gonzo Shane?

He posted the thing about posting if you were a townie or if you weren't a townie. I thought he was just being stupid, not really him being evil. But it was the most suspicious action at the time.

[BeerBaron]

I forgot CMD was even in this. And he was pretty weird throughout the LOTR one.

[Bulldogs]

Why the hell did you vote for me anyway? Jerk!

I'm still a little unclear as to why you voted ATL. You're not usually the type to "follow the crowd" as you put it, and I don't think an evil person would put that kind of pressure on himself this early.

[Rob S]

What basis do we have for voting ATL? GG seems to be suffering from SuperPacker syndrome, I'm not really reading him as evil, just excited. The ATL votes intrigue me...And why are you voting for Gonzo Shane?

ATL suggested everyone reveal whether they were a townie or had a power right off the bat then said he was a townie. He also said we can burn an investigation on him if we want, but he will turn up townie unless he is framed.

[vidae]

I'm still a little unclear as to why you voted ATL. You're not usually the type to "follow the crowd" as you put it, and I don't think an evil person would put that kind of pressure on himself this early.

I'll be completely honest: I was changing a **** filled diaper and getting my niece a bottle and I read that a few people I generally trust were on to him so I followed the crowd so I didn't seem suspicious for not voting, haha. It looked like a lock and if he turned up evil I didn't want to be someone who didn't vote for him.

tl;dr: It was easy.

unvote : ATL

[ImBrotherCain]

Also if the day closes without me here please send me your PMs not Grizz.

[BeerBaron]

ATL is still suspicious in my mind, but not enough to outright vote for. If he continues to be suspicious headed forward though, remember this.

[A Perfect Score]

ATL suggested everyone reveal whether they were a townie or had a power right off the bat then said he was a townie. He also said we can burn an investigation on him if we want, but he will turn up townie unless he is framed.

Seeing as how the "godfather" character usually can't be investigated accurately, might be a ploy to get himself cleared early and dictate discussion from there on out. He could just be telling the truth, but we can't assume that now can we?

[Bulldogs]

Seeing as how the "godfather" character usually can't be investigated accurately, might be a ploy to get himself cleared early and dictate discussion from there on out. He could just be telling the truth, but we can't assume that now can we?

I'm not willing to rule out anything but from my experience the godfather just lays low. Bad people usually don't talk as much because they don't want to risk being killed at night. Then again, he very well could be evil and have me fooled. When I was bad in both the LOTR and Firefly games I was far quieter than I am now.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Yeah I saw the PM, but I didn't see the thread up in the Off-Topic section so I assumed IBC was just working out the kinks. Took me a while to realize there was a new section just for games and the thread was already open here.

Not completely buying this. And by not completely, I mean not at all.

[Rob S]

Not completely buying this. And by not completely, I mean not at all.

I buy it. It has happened to me in the past too. Actually, I was ready to crucify APS unless that was his excuse lol.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I buy it. It has happened to me in the past too. Actually, I was ready to crucify APS unless that was his excuse lol.

Really? I dunno, just seems kind of odd. Wasn't the sign up in this forum? Wouldn't he have noticed there was no sign up thread in the OT? When have we ever gotten PMs with the game not starting?

[GallopingGhost]

Not completely buying this. And by not completely, I mean not at all.

Every stupid post you make confuses me. It is clearly legitimate because the Mafia Games subforum is new.

And i agree with BB... ATL is acting really suspicious, but i don't think it's enough to account him evil.

[GallopingGhost]

Really? I dunno, just seems kind of odd. Wasn't the sign up in this forum? Wouldn't he have noticed there was no sign up thread in the OT? When have we ever gotten PMs with the game not starting?

When i got the pm the game actually wasn't up... it was starting, but it wasn't up. What does he have to gain from dodging the game? It has been known that the inactives are always targets during the first day.

[Rob S]

Really? I dunno, just seems kind of odd. Wasn't the sign up in this forum? Wouldn't he have noticed there was no sign up thread in the OT? When have we ever gotten PMs with the game not starting?

I know I couldn't find forum mocks for the longest time when a sub forum was created. I guess it is a good point that he signed up in the sub forum though. It still strikes me as a reasonable excuse though.

[Bulldogs]

Yep he's the next SuperPacker.

[Jvig43]

I'm not willing to rule out anything but from my experience the godfather just lays low. Bad people usually don't talk as much because they don't want to risk being killed at night. Then again, he very well could be evil and have me fooled. When I was bad in both the LOTR and Firefly games I was far quieter than I am now.

Not sure about that. Wouldn't the Godfather not worry about drawing attention to himself as he can't be investigated? I feel like he wouldn't care about whether he was super accurate or not.

[Rob S]

Not sure about that. Wouldn't the Godfather not worry about drawing attention to himself as he can't be investigated? I feel like he wouldn't care about whether he was super accurate or not.

He can still be lynched....

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Yep he's the next SuperPacker.

100%. 20 more posts than anyone else.

[vidae]

Really? I dunno, just seems kind of odd. Wasn't the sign up in this forum? Wouldn't he have noticed there was no sign up thread in the OT? When have we ever gotten PMs with the game not starting?

Everyone needs to read this because he is right. The sign-up portion WAS in this sub-forum already. APS claiming he didn't know about it doesn't make a single bit of sense..

[GallopingGhost]

Not sure about that. Wouldn't the Godfather not worry about drawing attention to himself as he can't be investigated? I feel like he wouldn't care about whether he was super accurate or not.

I'm not sure it's like that in all cases though. I would want to explain this rationally name dropping, but i can't. What i will say is that the Godfather for this will know who else is evil. DBZ doesn't have different types of evil, only one evil force. That means, he won't accuse his own guys because he loses his forces and he cannot accuse good guys without ban waggoning because he will get lynched soon afterwards.

[GallopingGhost]

100%. 20 more posts than anyone else.

My posts aren't at the caliber of thinking of a fourth grader like yours my friend.

[Rob S]

Everyone needs to read this because he is right. The sign-up portion WAS in this sub-forum already. APS claiming he didn't know about it doesn't make a single bit of sense..

Honestly, I still buy it. Maybe I'm a sucker, but it is such a habit for me to scroll past the stuff at the top (ie:announcements).

[BeerBaron]

APS didn't actually post in the sign-up thread for this one. I checked. I would like him to explain...

[ATLDirtyBirds]

My posts aren't at the caliber of thinking of a fourth grader like yours my friend.

Wouldn't be so confident about that one chief.

[GallopingGhost]

Wouldn't be so confident about that one chief.

I'm just messing with you buddy, haha. I'm just using fallacies when talking about you.

[ImBrotherCain]

APS was contacted by me to play he was promised a spot if he wanted it after i threw him under the bus in the Werewolf game.

[A Perfect Score]

Everyone needs to read this because he is right. The sign-up portion WAS in this sub-forum already. APS claiming he didn't know about it doesn't make a single bit of sense..

I signed up via PM, as I'd mentioned to IBC before that I was interested in the DBZ game. I'd appreciate if he could corroborate this to clear my name, because I'd hate to be lynched based on a technicality that can easily be confirmed on behalf of the game creator.

EDIT: He beat me to it. Thanks, IBC.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Alright, fair enough, I just assumed he would have had to have posted in the sign up thread.

unvote: aps

[BeerBaron]

APS was contacted by me to play he was promised a spot if he wanted it after i threw him under the bus in the Werewolf game.

I figured that was probably it but wanted to be sure.

So it's entirely reasonable APS just didn't see the subforum afterall.

[Razor]

How many times has Bulldogs changed his vote already? Seems very odd to me Not sure if it's just to kill of inactives or if he's a framer.

[Rob S]

I figured that was probably it but wanted to be sure.

So it's entirely reasonable APS just didn't see the subforum afterall.

Dont quote the mod!

[Rob S]

I don't know who Trogdor is and this makes me not trust him. When I called him out of hiding initially he just said he doesn't post in OT usually and then voted the same way as me...

[Bulldogs]

How many times has Bulldogs changed his vote already? Seems very odd to me Not sure if it's just to kill of inactives or if he's a framer.

If you read any of my posts I like to put pressure on people to come out if they haven't spoken. It's not about actually lynching somebody, but if you put pressure on people they usually finally decided to come out and talk (check out Forenci and APS immediately after I called them out), and you notice people getting defensive about these posters. I'm not sure I'd call your post getting defensive, but it's interesting to say the least.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I am going to be doing analysis for 5 in 5 for most of the night. I'll pop back in when I can.

That being said, I am sticking with my Gonzo vote.

[TheBoyWonder22]

I am going to be doing analysis for 5 in 5 for most of the night. I'll pop back in when I can.

That being said, I am sticking with my Gonzo vote.
I'll be out at 7 as well because I have a couple picks. I'll check in now and again. I'm leaning toward unvoting GG, but he hasn't given me enough of a reason to absolve my suspicions.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I do tend to think JBond is unfairly targeting Gonzo this game...

[Shane P. Hallam]

I do tend to think JBond is unfairly targeting Gonzo this game...

Gonzo is acting how he did in the LOTR games. When he is good, he is pretty chill, actually tries to figure things out, if he gets accused he just shrugs it off (see Firefly).

Here, he has gotten defensive, springs back at the attacker, won't add a whole lot. I'll say him or GG are bad, and right now, I trust Gonzo less.

[Rob S]

I could see Gonzo being bad. I want to hear from CMD though before I vote.

[GallopingGhost]

Gonzo is acting how he did in the LOTR games. When he is good, he is pretty chill, actually tries to figure things out, if he gets accused he just shrugs it off (see Firefly).

Here, he has gotten defensive, springs back at the attacker, won't add a whole lot. I'll say him or GG are bad, and right now, I trust Gonzo less.

Honestly, i won't rule out Gonzo being bad, but why would you think one or the other is evil?

[GallopingGhost]

How many times has Bulldogs changed his vote already? Seems very odd to me Not sure if it's just to kill of inactives or if he's a framer.

I feel like you are skimming through this thread and not really looking into things.. Actually think about some of the things that are done. The answer to that question is so obvious.

[Razor]

If you read any of my posts I like to put pressure on people to come out if they haven't spoken. It's not about actually lynching somebody, but if you put pressure on people they usually finally decided to come out and talk (check out Forenci and APS immediately after I called them out), and you notice people getting defensive about these posters. I'm not sure I'd call your post getting defensive, but it's interesting to say the least.

I'm not getting defensive, I'm acquiring information. I'm a townie, so the only way for me to get info is to make observations and throw things out there. That's what I'm going to do until we have some info. I'm still in the lynch GG camp though...

[Bulldogs]

Unvote: CMD

Vote: GallopingGhost

I don't think he offers anything of value and I believe either him or Gonzo might be evil. My next choice was Vidae but I think he gave a satisfactory reason as to why. I'll let CMD slide for now.

[Bulldogs]

I'm not getting defensive, I'm acquiring information. I'm a townie, so the only way for me to get info is to make observations and throw things out there. That's what I'm going to do until we have some info. I'm still in the lynch GG camp though...

Agreed, I'm doing the exact same thing. Throwing out lynch votes, and seeing how people respond to them. Your post certainly hasn't been the most suspicious to me yet, everyone should be questioned at this point.

[Rob S]

vote: Razor

[BeerBaron]

I don't think he offers anything of value and I believe either him or Gonzo might be evil. My next choice was Vidae but I think he gave a satisfactory reason as to why. I'll let CMD slide for now.

You echo my thoughts then. He's either evil, in which case great if we lynch him, or he's a liability...too eager to accuse.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

You echo my thoughts then. He's either evil, in which case great if we lynch him, or he's a liability...too eager to accuse.


I'm beginning to lean this way as well considering we have so little else... I would like to hear Rob's case for Razor though.

[Rob S]

You echo my thoughts then. He's either evil, in which case great if we lynch him, or he's a liability...too eager to accuse.

Well, if he has a power, then it would suck if we lynch him. I don't think he has claimed to be a townie yet.

[Razor]

Agreed, I'm doing the exact same thing. Throwing out lynch votes, and seeing how people respond to them. Your post certainly hasn't been the most suspicious to me yet, everyone should be questioned at this point.

I agree. No one's is trustworthy at this point. We need to take a shot in the dark and lynch someone and then try to gather as much info as possible. GG's frantic behavior strikes me a bit odd. Maybe he's just new to this game or maybe he's evil. My guess is the latter, but it's only a guess at this point. I have nothing to go on except my own beliefs based on his posts.

[Razor]

vote: Razor

I suppose I should thank you.

If GG is indeed evil I'm pretty sure you're evil as well. If he's innocent your role is either the same or you could still be evil. Anyways we'll all have more info to go on.

[BeerBaron]

Well, if he has a power, then it would suck if we lynch him. I don't think he has claimed to be a townie yet.

Back on page 8 (he's since edited it) he mentioned it. Check my post a few below his for a quote of what he initially said.

[Rob S]

I suppose I should thank you.

If GG is indeed evil I'm pretty sure you're evil as well. If he's innocent your role is either the same or you could still be evil. Anyways we'll all have more info to go on.

I just wanted to you respond. I hate when people overtly claim townie on day 1 and secondly I just found some of your posts/accusation of Bulldogs odd.....hey, I gathering information just like you. You claim to support throwing out random lynches, but don't like it and get defensive when someone does it to you.

I am most certainly good. I'm not so sure about you.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

vote: gallopingghost

[Razor]

I just wanted to you respond. I hate when people overtly claim townie on day 1 and secondly I just found some of your posts/accusation of Bulldogs odd.....hey, I gathering information just like you. You claim to support throwing out random lynches, but don't like it and get defensive when someone does it to you.

I am most certainly good. I'm not so sure about you.

Of course you're not, how the hell could you be? Also, I never accused Bulldogs of anything nor did I support quasi-random lynches. That was why I called out Bulldogs in the first place! If anyone's overly defensive it's people reacting to me questioning other people's motives. You're of course free to vote for me, it doesn't bother me. I've been completely honest and will continue to be so until the town wins or I'm dead.

[Rob S]

meh. i guess i feel like you are just posting and not reading. otherwise, it would have been clear that bulldogs was getting inactives to post one by one by voting for them which you shouldn't have an issue with.

also, yeah, you shouldn't be fine with being accused, but your reaction was pretty strong calling me evil for a 2 word post. if someone accuses me strongly right now and didn't mention ANY specifics, i wouldn't call them evil and get defensive. I would simply say that i am good and that the town will miss me if im gone. good people generally dont freak out when accused.

[GallopingGhost]

Haha, right now i'm suspicious of two people.
WonderBoy and Razor.

If you want to why lmk, but apparently my voice means nothing.

[GallopingGhost]

meh. i guess i feel like you are just posting and not reading. otherwise, it would have been clear that bulldogs was getting inactives to post one by one by voting for them which you shouldn't have an issue with.

also, yeah, you shouldn't be fine with being accused, but your reaction was pretty strong calling me evil for a 2 word post. if someone accuses me strongly right now and didn't mention ANY specifics, i wouldn't call them evil and get defensive. I would simply say that i am good and that the town will miss me if im gone. good people generally dont freak out when accused.

I agree with this. Bad players when they get accused freak out if they are evil. Next thing you know they have some crazy power we won't see if we vote them out.

VOTE: RAZOR

[Bulldogs]

Haha, right now i'm suspicious of two people.
WonderBoy and Razor.

If you want to why lmk, but apparently my voice means nothing.

Obviously we want to know why... haha this is ridiculous.

[Rob S]

Haha, right now i'm suspicious of two people.
WonderBoy and Razor.

If you want to why lmk, but apparently my voice means nothing.


unvote: razor

vote: GallopingGhost

I'm actually fairly content with your reaction, Razor. Just wanted to see if anyone would bandwagon. GG is too easy to swing and if he is a powerless townie that can be easily manipulated, well, he can hurt the town just as much as helping it.

[BeerBaron]

Haha, right now i'm suspicious of two people.
WonderBoy and Razor.

If you want to why lmk, but apparently my voice means nothing.

Two people that you didn't vote when you voted earlier or push for when you were pushing inactives and vidae. Hmmmm.....

[Razor]

unvote: razor

vote: GallopingGhost

I'm actually fairly content with your reaction, Razor. Just wanted to see if anyone would bandwagon. GG is too easy to swing and if he is a powerless townie that can be easily manipulated, well, he can hurt the town just as much as helping it.

It's all good. Glad nobody jumped the bandwagon though. I'd hate to not win this game. I'm going to bed now. Hopefully the rest of you will sort this out.

[GallopingGhost]

Two people that you didn't vote when you voted earlier or push for when you were pushing inactives and vidae. Hmmmm.....

I don't understand this sentence.

[BeerBaron]

I don't understand this sentence.

You're suddenly suspicious of two people you didn't vote for or push earlier. What astounding new information did you come across to sour you on them?

[Rob S]

It's all good. Glad nobody jumped the bandwagon though. I'd hate to not win this game. I'm going to bed now. Hopefully the rest of you will sort this out.

No, you miss the point. My vote for you was almost entirely BS....just wanted to give GG one last test to see how easy he was to manipulate. Turns out it's insanely easy.

[GallopingGhost]

Well whatever, i'm just a regular townie. Next time i participate in this game i will have to be a pssy to stay alive. It looks like i'm out on this one. As for this game.... Razor seems to be a legit good guy. Wonderboy is my suspicion for now and i have a couple others, but i won't ruin the game i guess.

[GallopingGhost]

You're suddenly suspicious of two people you didn't vote for or push earlier. What astounding new information did you come across to sour you on them?

Not information, i'm just acting on how they posting. Razor is acting pretty normal though... i just wanted to see what he would say.

[GallopingGhost]

I'm not easily swayed for the record. Not once did i vote because someone else did except for Razor.

[Rob S]

I actually think you probably are a townie. You could be evil though and even if you aren't, you are easy to sway and could hop onto lynches too easily.

[GallopingGhost]

I actually think you probably are a townie. You could be evil though and even if you aren't, you are easy to sway and could hop onto lynches too easily.

When did i sway to one side. Look at my posts.
.....
.....
You are probably the smartest poster so far though.

[GallopingGhost]

Firstly, i voted Gonzo as a joke.
Secondly, i voted JBond as a joke.
Thirdly, i voted ATL to mess with his head, see if he'd flip ****.
Lastly, i voted Razor to follow suit with you.

If you read my posts too, most of my ideas i shared are my own.
I have agreed with people, but i have shared my suspicions accordingly.

[Rob S]

You followed lynches on ATL and Razor and followed by accusing vidae.

[GallopingGhost]

Btw, i can find you people who have jumped on banwagons more than me, at least i was vocal about it and explained the reason.

[GallopingGhost]

You followed lynches on ATL and Razor and followed by accusing vidae.

I never followed with ATL actually, i defended him and said i thought he was good.

[Caddy]

Don't worry guys, I just woke up!

[TheBoyWonder22]

Well whatever, i'm just a regular townie. Next time i participate in this game i will have to be a pssy to stay alive. It looks like i'm out on this one. As for this game.... Razor seems to be a legit good guy. Wonderboy is my suspicion for now and i have a couple others, but i won't ruin the game i guess.
Why are you suspicious of me? I'm trying to draft and follow this at the same time. You're more all over the place than I've ever been. The only reason I'm being quieter today because my last day one was just awful.

[Caddy]

Ok it took me like 25 minutes to get through the thread, but it is VERY suspicious that it took so much convincing for people to lynch APS. I mean, come on guys... it's APS...

[GallopingGhost]

Why are you suspicious of me? I'm trying to draft and follow this at the same time. You're more all over the place than I've ever been. The only reason I'm being quieter today because my last day one was just awful.

It's not like i know your schedule and know you are drafting too. I'm just suspicious of people who say...

I agree with X person.

VOTE: X person

That's kind of what you did. (you weren't the only one)

[A Perfect Score]

Ok it took me like 25 minutes to get through the thread, but it is VERY suspicious that it took so much convincing for people to lynch APS. I mean, come on guys... it's APS...

That's a bit rude, if I do say so myself.

[Caddy]

That's a bit rude, if I do say so myself.

You know that's how I show I care!

[TheBoyWonder22]

I did justify it later. I posted that I'd be drafting, but that really isn't a big deal.

[Rob S]

Lets kill someone already. Caddy, anyone jump out to you.....you're much quieter/less accusatory than usual.

[Bulldogs]

Agreed, there was the first really big lull in discussion there. I'm going to keep my vote for GG, but I'm still waiting to heard from CMD. Also Forenci, you said your class was winding down a couple hours ago. Thoughts?

[Caddy]

Lets kill someone already. Caddy, anyone jump out to you.....you're much quieter/less accusatory than usual.

Kinda hard to accuse people when you are asleep! Then when I did post in here I killed the thread :(

Only people I'm suspicious of at this stage are GG, ATL and Deep. We could always just kill TBW for ******* us over in the last game, although if we are going to kill for past discretion I'd rather just lynch D-Unit.

[Rob S]

I do think Gonzo could be evil just throwing it out there. Shane was relatively level-headed during their exchange and Gonzo seems to be losing it a little bit. Just something to consider.

[A Perfect Score]

I do think Gonzo could be evil just throwing it out there. Shane was relatively level-headed during their exchange and Gonzo seems to be losing it a little bit. Just something to consider.

Yeah, Shane's analysis of Gonzo's play style was pretty accurate. It wouldn't shock me if he turned out to be right on this one.

[Rob S]

Actually, D is a big suspect. I just looked over his post.....only made one and it was.....

"Dragon Ballzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Loved this show when I was a kid. Can't believe it has continued in poplularity for so long.

I'm going to stick with a No Lynch for now, but if ATL is ony 1 or 2 votes.."

[TheBoyWonder22]

Kinda hard to accuse people when you are asleep! Then when I did post in here I killed the thread :(

Only people I'm suspicious of at this stage are GG, ATL and Deep. We could always just kill TBW for ******* us over in the last game, although if we are going to kill for past discretion I'd rather just lynch D-Unit.
Go back to bed. We should really decide here soon.

[Rob S]

Here it is exactly. Was initially too lazy to get the quote....bleh

Dragon Ballzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Loved this show when I was a kid. Can't believe it has continued in poplularity for so long.

I'm going to stick with a No Lynch for now, but if ATL is ony 1 or 2 votes away, then I'll be willing to go with the group.

[Rob S]

D is usually pretty active

[TheBoyWonder22]

He's in the draft so it's not like he isn't online

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Definitely odd, and a more typical evil move, but I don't think he'd make it that obvious.

[Caddy]

Actually, D is a big suspect. I just looked over his post.....only made one and it was.....

"Dragon Ballzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Loved this show when I was a kid. Can't believe it has continued in poplularity for so long.

I'm going to stick with a No Lynch for now, but if ATL is ony 1 or 2 votes.."

D-Unit is usually a bit more reckless with his posting. He has been very quiet so far.

Go back to bed. We should really decide here soon.

Mean. :erf:

[TheBoyWonder22]

D-Unit is usually a bit more reckless with his posting. He has been very quiet so far.



Mean. :erf:
Sibling revelry.

[Grizzlegom]

Vote Count

ATL (3): Renji, Gonzo, Trogdor
APS (2): Wooty, Bantx
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (7): BeerBaron, TBW, JVig, Razor, Bulldogs, ATL, Rob S
Razor (1): GG

With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.

I'm pretty sure this is completely up to date. Let me know if I have your vote wrong.

[Caddy]

Definitely odd, and a more typical evil move, but I don't think he'd make it that obvious.

We are talking about D-Unit here. When does he do anything that makes sense in these games?

[A Perfect Score]

It would appear the populace is leaning towards GG, and I'm alright with that. I'm not ready to cast a vote, but I do think that he's a viable option at this point. I don't really see anyone sticking out in particular, but I don't think a no-lynch is a legitimate option, so someone's gotta go.

[Rob S]

Alright. If we aren't killing somebody let's at least get some discussion going.

unvote: GG

Vote: D-Unit

[Bulldogs]

I don't understand the silence personally. Vote for who you think has been the most suspicious so far. I'm not saying vote GG but at least have the balls to throw out your input.

[GallopingGhost]

id rather you guys kill me then do a no lynch its a w
aste of a night

[Rob S]

I think D-Unit playing reserved is very, very strange. I don't think GG is evil, but I think he will be useless at best to the town anyway.

EDIT: then GG goes and post something like the above....

[Caddy]

I don't understand the silence personally. Vote for who you think has been the most suspicious so far. I'm not saying vote GG but at least have the balls to throw out your input.

I killed the thread... :(

I'll be spending the next six hours driving up the coast so I'll only have my phone on me. I apologise in advance for the spelling errors.

[GallopingGhost]

I don't understand the silence personally. Vote for who you think has been the most suspicious so far. I'm not saying vote GG but at least have the balls to throw out your input.

true that. people really need to think for themselves right now. if you guys honestly think im evil then vote for me. i feel like im being voted upon because im all over the place not evil. i wanted to make this first day eventful so i wooted it. i went crazy to see some reactions but most people let 1 or 2 people talk for the town.

[Caddy]

true that. people really need to think for themselves right now. if you guys honestly think im evil then vote for me. i feel like im being voted upon because im all over the place not evil. i wanted to make this first day eventful so i wooted it. i went crazy to see some reactions but most people let 1 or 2 people talk for the town.

It isn't being active that has made you suspicious, it's that you have gone about it with zero tact. You can be an accusatory player like myself and Renji, but you've failed miserably at trying to play that role.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Alright guys. I'm finally off work so I'll try to catch up and read here in the next few minutes.

[DeepThreat]

ATL still stands out the most to me.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yeah, Shane's analysis of Gonzo's play style was pretty accurate. It wouldn't shock me if he turned out to be right on this one.

I think Shane is just out to get me. I played mellow in firefly and was killed at night. The next game I was lynched the first day. Harry Potter us the only game I have stayed alive the whole time in. I am just trying to change it up so I don't get killed at night. It just gets tiring to have Shane coming at me in every single game. I can also see the frame job coming and I an worried I will die tonight to draw suspicion to Shane because he is a d bag and keeps coming at me. I challenge anyone to start level headed after being accused of being suspicious no less than 5 times based on nothing.

I will say that I am fairly positive GG is good. I think D is the safest lynch here. The last update had it wrong, I unvoted ATL long ago.

Vote: D

[TheBoyWonder22]

Yeah I was thinking similarly. D-Unit was in the % in 5 draft for a couple hours so it's not as if he didn't have internet access. He actually just picked so I'm positive he's online somewhere. I could see that just being a goofy post, but he has contributed nothing since when I can 100% confirm he's been online.

[D-Unit]

You guys are funny. I'm not going to talk a lot on the weekend. I'm in and out doing things and I just got out of broth's forum mock.

Plus, can you really blame me for being less talkative based of being killed early every time? I'm not going to play every game the same way. You keep trying to justify killing me based off past games. I didn't play Lord of the Rings. But in the Werewolf game, I was a Miller and you killed me while I was a good townie. If you guys don't mind, I'd like to play once in a while. Now, I'm leaving for the next few hours.

I still stick to no lynch unless someone says something really fishy.

[TheBoyWonder22]

You guys are funny. I'm not going to talk a lot on the weekend. I'm in and out doing things and I just got out of broth's forum mock.

Plus, can you really blame me for being less talkative based of being killed early every time? I'm not going to play every game the same way. You keep trying to justify killing me based off past games. I didn't play Lord of the Rings. But in the Werewolf game, I was a Miller and you killed me while I was a good townie. If you guys don't mind, I'd like to play once in a while. Now, I'm leaving for the next few hours.

I still stick to no lynch unless someone says something really fishy.
:frown: I feel bad. Fine D, you have my support. Lynch GG!

[Rob S]

unvote: D-Unit

[Mr. Goosemahn]

Holy crap 15 pages already!

Lemme catch up and see what's going on.

[Trogdor]

I have a feeling that GG is just an overzealous townie so I'm going to keep my vote on ATL.

Off to bed though. Will read up in the morning.

[TitanHope]

Back now and reading up to date as I type.

[Forenci]

I'm somewhat concerned that GG is trying to cover up himself in some manner. He just seems all over the place. Until I see any evidence otherwise, I feel he would be a sufficient person to vote for.

Vote: GallopingGhost

[Bulldogs]

Back now and reading up to date as I type.

Must be a tough read. :waiting:

[Grizzlegom]

Vote Count

ATL (2): Renji, Trogdor
APS (2): Wooty, Bantx
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (8): BeerBaron, TBW, JVig, Razor, Bulldogs, ATL, Rob S, Forenci
Razor (1): GG
D-Unit (1): Gonzo

With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.

[Bulldogs]

Back now and reading up to date as I type.

Must be a tough read. :waiting:

[TitanHope]

Must be a tough read. :waiting:

Eh, it's been a long day. :(

[vidae]

Eh, it's been a long day. :(

How much human feces have you cleaned today? Because I didn't know something so small could **** so much, but it has happened. Thank god my sister/brother in law just picked her up because if I had to touch **** one more time today I was going to punt my niece into oncoming traffic.

[BeerBaron]

Ah, I read it as 5 year old earlier. At least a 5 year old can talk and walk and think.

5 months? **** that. I'd rather have a puppy.

[Rob S]

I want to kill someone guyzzzz.

Alright, it seems we are going this way and he has played in an annoying fashion.

vote: GG

That said, I think he will turn out to be a townie.

[BeerBaron]

I suspect he'll be a townie too and if so, I'll feel a little bad, but he's been too erratic in his posting to read properly. Since day one is a crapshoot anyway, I figure why not take the shot.

[vidae]

We're probably not moving off of GG at this point.. sorry my man. I hope you're evil.

vote : GG

[Bulldogs]

I'm going to be honest, his last couple posts make me believe he's not evil. Then again, do we have a better option? Guess we'll have to follow voting patterns and post tendencies so far (unless he does turn out evil).

[Caddy]

It really feels like we have plateaued.

[Rob S]

I dont think he is evil. However, nobody will vote for anyone else so it is what it is. We have to get this moving and are at 16 pages.

I would much prefer to kill ATL, but whatever.

[Bulldogs]

Seven people have still not voted. Too lazy to find out who.

[BeerBaron]

I'm not forgetting about ATL. If there is even the slightest hint of evil-evidence with him in the future, he'll be hit hard.

[ImBrotherCain]

Vote Count

ATL (2): Renji, Trogdor
APS (2): Wooty, Bantx
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (9): BeerBaron, TBW, JVig, Razor, Bulldogs, ATL, Rob S, Forenci, Vidae
Razor (1): GG
D-Unit (1): Gonzo

With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.

[Rob S]

Here's my thing. GG and he are both claiming townies....losing either would likely be equal. I tend to think there is a great chance of ATL being evil

[CashmoneyDrew]

Vote: Lynch GG

I'm just ready to get to day 2 at this point.

[A Perfect Score]

I'll speed along the process.

Vote: GG

[TitanHope]

Vote: GallopingGhost

We need guys who will take this srsly, and GG hasn't seemed to be doing that. He probably is a Townie, but because so many people find him suspicious, he's a massive target for a frame job, we'll probably be back to discussing him tomorrow, and I don't want people wasting their night actions to make sure he's good/evil.

[Caddy]

I still think ATL has been the most suspicious person today.

[A Perfect Score]

I still think ATL has been the most suspicious person today.

We can look into him extensively tonight if you're that certain of it, and we'll figure it out tomorrow as to whether he's evil or not. Seeing as how he's a central figure of discussion, I assume he'll be investigated in some form or another.

[Caddy]

We can look into him extensively tonight if you're that certain of it, and we'll figure it out tomorrow as to whether he's evil or not. Seeing as how he's a central figure of discussion, I assume he'll be investigated in some form or another.

I'm not 'certain' of it. At this point it's pure conjecture, which is all it really can be on Day 1.

[Dr. Gonzo]

The thing is if we investigate ATL tonight either he will get framed and fine back evil or he will actually be evil.

Just letting Shane now that any time in future games if I have the power to kill regardless of whether I am good our evil or for that matter regardless if I think you are good or evil, I am killing you first.

[TheBoyWonder22]

Yeah I'd say just act as if today didn't happen in terms of investigation just so the framing doesn't mess with results. People can do what they want, but that's my suggestion.

[Bulldogs]

One more vote ends the day.

[Dr. Gonzo]

If you guys think GG is bad you are crazy. That would be the worst baddie game I have ever seen played. Those of you unwilling to vote against the herd are suspect to me and if my suspicions are correct and he isn't bad I will be rereading this thread and looking hard at vote patterns. I would never cast a vote for someone I think is good but it seems many of you have.

[TheBoyWonder22]

Come on Gonzo, let's just end the day. I'm not sold either, but something has to happen. No one else has made themselves seem suspicious and it's either GG or no lynch.

[Bulldogs]

I said it earlier but I don't think GG is evil. I respect the fact that he came out and posted alot, but he's a waste at this point. There were far too many of his posts that just weren't beneficial whatsoever. If he's telling the truth (and it's still an if) he has no ability that can help us, and we'll just end up wasting quality investigations on him. Let's get it out of the way, look at post tendencies and what not and move on.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Come on Gonzo, let's just end the day. I'm not sold either, but something has to happen. No one else has made themselves seem suspicious and it's either GG or no lynch.

Yes they have and no those aren't the only options. Herd voting has gotten countless good people killed. Grow backbones everyone.

[Bulldogs]

Yes they have and no those aren't the only options. Herd voting has gotten countless good people killed. Grow backbones everyone.

Who do you suggest?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Who do you suggest?

My vote has remained D Unit for a while. He has posted twice, suggested no lynch but also said he will vote for someone if they are about to be lynched. Other than that there are a couple other guys who seem fishy but I know I won't get enough people to lynch them because it is just a hunch and I don't want to die tonight.

[Bulldogs]

My vote has remained D Unit for a while. He has posted twice, suggested no lynch but also said he will vote for someone if they are about to be lynched. Other than that there are a couple other guys who seem fishy but I know I won't get enough people to lynch them because it is just a hunch and I don't want to die tonight.

Meh, D-Unit made a fair point. Every time he is too talkative Day One he ends up dead. He also mentioned he was heading out for the night and would be back later.

[Shane P. Hallam]

The thing is if we investigate ATL tonight either he will get framed and fine back evil or he will actually be evil.

Just letting Shane now that any time in future games if I have the power to kill regardless of whether I am good our evil or for that matter regardless if I think you are good or evil, I am killing you first.

Lol, you just dug your grave whether you are good or evil. I hope I will get some protection tonight.

[BeerBaron]

Yes they have and no those aren't the only options. Herd voting has gotten countless good people killed. Grow backbones everyone.

Day 1 voting is a completely inexact science anyway. You roll the dice and see what happens. Just hope it's no one important.

[Caddy]

Meh, D-Unit made a fair point. Every time he is too talkative Day One he ends up dead. He also mentioned he was heading out for the night and would be back later.

Im much more suspicious of someone when they play differently to how they usually do. D's deaths had less to do with how active he was and more to do with what he actually said.

[Bulldogs]

Alright well I'm heading to bed, excuse me for wanting to read Grizz's write up going to sleep! Hopefully it will be waiting for me tomorrow morning.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Lol, you just dug your grave whether you are good or evil. I hope I will get some protection tonight.

In my eyes you have dug your grave. I am fairly sure you are evil at this point really. Would make a lot of sense considering how you have played past games. Of course you want protection so it isn't wasted on someone else and you guys can kill freely. You have attacked me all game based on nothing, you have yet to name a reason besides the fact that in my earlier games I was more calm. Guess what, I died in those games.

[Shane P. Hallam]

In my eyes you have dug your grave. I am fairly sure you are evil at this point really. Would make a lot of sense considering how you have played past games. Of course you want protection so it isn't wasted on someone else and you guys can kill freely. You have attacked me all game based on nothing, you have yet to name a reason besides the fact that in my earlier games I was more calm. Guess what, I died in those games.

And you should die in this one. You have been defensive and aggressive much more than in the past, this remind me a bit of CMD last game and that correlation screams evil to me. It worked last time, it should work this time. Hopefully people will investigate you and find out for themselves.

[Grizzlegom]

Vote Count

ATL (2): Renji, Trogdor
APS (2): Wooty, Bantx
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (12): BeerBaron, TBW, JVig, Razor, Bulldogs, ATL, Rob S, Forenci, Vidae, APS, TH, CMD
Razor (1): GG
D-Unit (1): Gonzo

With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.

[Dr. Gonzo]

And you should die in this one. You have been defensive and aggressive much more than in the past, this remind me a bit of CMD last game and that correlation screams evil to me. It worked last time, it should work this time. Hopefully people will investigate you and find out for themselves.

Now asking to waste investigations on me, nice. This screams you being evil to me. CMD survived last game because I stopped his lynch and made everyone think he was Sauron. Did you expect me to sit here and allow you to call me suspicious? Us good guys can kill at night too, I don't have that power, and I am not going to sit around not defending myself so I can die at night like other games. To say that I am evil because I am defending myself, then to suggest you be protected, and then to say the town should investigate me screams evil to me.

Unvote: D

Vote: Shane

[GallopingGhost]

I'm pretty sure each and every one of you deep down knows i'm good... if you are voting for me because you think i'm not contribute... so be it. I think i've contributed more than inactives and a few people. I've gotten everyone to react and share. I guess making an exciting Day 1 wasn't the best idea... but if you think i'm an idiot... so be it.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'm pretty sure each and every one of you deep down knows i'm good... if you are voting for me because you think i'm not contribute... so be it. I think i've contributed more than inactives and a few people. I've gotten everyone to react and share. I guess making an exciting Day 1 wasn't the best idea... but if you think i'm an idiot... so be it.

You forget that people don't like excitement in these games. If it were up to JBond we would all reveal our roles now and end the game.

[Shane P. Hallam]

You forget that people don't like excitement in these games. If it were up to JBond we would all reveal our roles now and end the game.

I didn't say that this game, ATL did.

[Caddy]

You forget that people don't like excitement in these games. If it were up to JBond we would all reveal our roles now and end the game.

Nope, that would be me. I'm the role reveal advocate in these parts!

[Dr. Gonzo]

Nope, that would be me. I'm the role reveal advocate in these parts!

Damn you both!!!!

[Rob S]

Well, since I am not going to get to read this before I go to bed anyway, I won't leave my vote out there for a guy I think is a townie.

unvote: GG

I placed my vote to hopefully move this along, but since we arent getting anywhere and I am going to sleep, I will see if we have anything new tomorrow. The Shane/Gonzo banter could reveal something.

[TheBoyWonder22]

Yeah I'm with Rob. I voted for him because he seemed out there, but as the games as gone on GG seems less and less malicious. We seriously need to make a decision though because we have almost as many pages as we do posters playing...yeah that's a lot. I really don't see GG as a danger to this town.
Unvote: GG

[TitanHope]

GG provides more strategic benefit to the mafia than he does us now because he's a powerless townie. If he stays alive, he sets himself up to be framed and isn't a target for the mafia, which means they won't use their night actions on him but instead go after the guys with suspected roles. Meanwhile, the good guys will either have to accept that he's not lying about being good, or they can use their night actions to investigate him, which not only could very well come back wrong if mafia frames him, but also prevents them from wasting precious investigations on other suspects.

Also, I don't feel like being lectured and being told to grow a backbone by Gonzo, a guy whose vote would be for D-Unit, a guy who's an easy target and even said he wouldn't be on to defend himself, if not for wanting to spite JBond, and all of this despite him saying he's more suspicious of others but just won't say who they are because he's afraid of being killed tonight. Wanna save your brother, Gonzo? Come forward with your suspicions so we can lynch a more worthy candidate.

[BeerBaron]

Day 1 grinds my gears. I think we should invent a new way to do it. "Pick someone based on the most trivial evidence" seems like a lousy way to go about things.

[GallopingGhost]

GG provides more strategic benefit to the mafia than he does us now because he's a powerless townie. If he stays alive, he sets himself up to be framed and isn't a target for the mafia, which means they won't use their night actions on him but instead go after the guys with suspected roles. Meanwhile, the good guys will either have to accept that he's not lying about being good, or they can use their night actions to investigate him, which not only could very well come back wrong if mafia frames him, but also prevents them from wasting precious investigations on other suspects.

Also, I don't feel like being lectured and being told to grow a backbone by Gonzo, a guy whose vote would be for D-Unit, a guy who's an easy target and even said he wouldn't be on to defend himself, if not for wanting to spite JBond, and all of this despite him saying he's more suspicious of others but just won't say who they are because he's afraid of being killed tonight. Wanna save your brother, Gonzo? Come forward with your suspicions so we can lynch a more worthy candidate.

I can't say Gonzo is bad because i'm good and he's defending me.
The people who should be looked at are the ones that follow in on the votings. There have been multiple herd attacks and the most suspicious to me are those ones who didn't have much to say when voting. Those are the bad guys that need to go right now.

As for me being a bad thing for the town, at this point using an investigate on me would be stupid. All baddies would say this exact thing... but honestly.. there isn't a point.

[Dr. Gonzo]

GG provides more strategic benefit to the mafia than he does us now because he's a powerless townie. If he stays alive, he sets himself up to be framed and isn't a target for the mafia, which means they won't use their night actions on him but instead go after the guys with suspected roles. Meanwhile, the good guys will either have to accept that he's not lying about being good, or they can use their night actions to investigate him, which not only could very well come back wrong if mafia frames him, but also prevents them from wasting precious investigations on other suspects.

Also, I don't feel like being lectured and being told to grow a backbone by Gonzo, a guy whose vote would be for D-Unit, a guy who's an easy target and even said he wouldn't be on to defend himself, if not for wanting to spite JBond, and all of this despite him saying he's more suspicious of others but just won't say who they are because he's afraid of being killed tonight. Wanna save your brother, Gonzo? Come forward with your suspicions so we can lynch a more worthy candidate.

Because you will lynch whoever I am suspicious of? Based on my hunch? I am not about to make myself more of a target just yet (once the game is settled though its on). I actually like your reasoning on why to vote for him though. I don't really care if he dies because he is my brother, nor do I feel the need to save him. I just suspect he is good and I want everyone to take a good look at who voted for him and why if I am right. If I am wrong well maybe I am not as good at reading people as I thought. You seem reasonable so I hope you understand why I am frustrated. The best strategy in this game at this point is to appear active but say nothing of worth and vote based on how others vote, I just like exciting games.

[GallopingGhost]

Because you will lynch whoever I am suspicious of? Based on my hunch? I am not about to make myself more of a target just yet (once the game is settled though its on). I actually like your reasoning on why to vote for him though. I don't really care if he dies because he is my brother, nor do I feel the need to save him. I just suspect he is good and I want everyone to take a good look at who voted for him and why if I am right. If I am wrong well maybe I am not as good at reading people as I thought. You seem reasonable so I hope you understand why I am frustrated. The best strategy in this game at this point is to appear active but say nothing of worth and vote based on how others vote, I just like exciting games.

Pretty much a detail version of what i said. I bet if i looked through i'd see at least a few...

I agree with X
VOTE: X

Probably a couple from 1 person if you look closely.

[Dr. Gonzo]

My personal favorite is X has been trustworthy in other games so I will vote with him.

[TitanHope]

Unvote: GallopingGhost

Longer post coming...

[Caddy]

The fact that this day is being extended is only a good thing and we should view it as such. What might seem like trivial banter now could be very helpful in the coming days. It's why I do not often vote during the first few days as it is difficult to figure out who to trust.

[Shane P. Hallam]

For sure, the longer the day, the more information we have. There is still more info to get out of people, and I have a few suspicions other than Gonzo out there too, we will see what happens.

[TheBoyWonder22]

I think investigation is very important. There's only so much you can learn from someone by talking this much, or is that farfetched?

[Mr. Goosemahn]

At this point, voting for GG IMO is pointless, because people generally agree he is a townie, and consequently it would be a waste of a lynch. I know it's a crapshoot Day 1, but still, if the general consensus is that GG is a townie, we might as well vote for someone else.

[Caddy]

We shouldn't just assume GG is a vanilla townie.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think investigation is very important. There's only so much you can learn from someone by talking this much, or is that farfetched?

Long days like these suck but there will be a lot of info to come from these long days. That is why I hate people who are inactive. It sucks but being just barely active seems to work as a strategy. You have to remember baddies no who each other are. They may call each other out a bit but the second someone else claims something is suspicious they will agree or kind of the opposite they will meekly jump in a vote for someone who is getting voted for with reasonings like 'I just want the day to end.'

[TitanHope]

The thing is, if no one's willing to say anything, then there's no corroboration of those suspicions. We may not all have the same guy as our #1 suspicion, but the same guy may be in our top three prospects, but if no one says it, there's no chance that a second guy agrees, then a third guy agrees and adds another supicion to it, then a third, so on and so forth. So it's not us blindly listening to you, but agreeing with you based on our own thoughts.

I'll start if off even.

I thought how Vidae came on knowing his neice would be taking him away from the computer for most of the day, and yet decided to sneak in a herdvote for ATL, was suspicious. In defense of that, he retroactively said he was just going along with the group since it looked like a sure thing and didn't want suspicion thrown his way should he not vote for ATL only for ATL to be proven to be a bad guy (paraphrasing), but why do that if you're a good guy who's not gonna be on to talk and unvote if you have to? Why be so quick to vote for a supposed bad guy because it could be held against you later despite having the valid babysitting excuse to explain your inactivity? Then he claims to be a Townie with an insignificant power, which to me like he's playing middle of the pack. I'm good, but unimportant.

If I was voting solely based on me thinking someone was suspicious, then Vidae would be my vote.

I think ATL suggesting we reveal our roles was purely ignorance. I thought he was trying to think of an alternative to revealing ourselves so we could out the mafia, and since our roles are really all we have, he came up with that. But I hated how we went with the "I'm a townie" and "I'm good, but if you investigate me and I come up bad, it's because I was framed!" excuses.

I also didn't like how quickly JBond set his sights on Gonzo. The back and forth between these two had added nothing, and now JBond wants us to cover for him because of how accusatory he's been. I don't like that kind of liability for that kind of return, and there's the chance JBond himself is evil and is trying to get a veteran mafia player like Gonzo, who JBond knows is good, out of the way. But then again, I think JBond suspected Vidae, so if that's true, either my thoughts on Vidae are misplaced or JBond is just vindictive.

I've also thought maybe both JBond and Gonza are evil, and this has all been a ploy so both of them can claim the other is the evil one who's having the mafia frame him, and vice versa, when they're investigated, thus allowing their continued existence. The mafia has shown they'll throw somebody under the bus if they think it's best for them as a whole, as IBC did in the Werewolf gang, so this could be the next version of it.

Bantx hasn't been real active, and when he has, he voted for a guy who was also inactive. That's just lame, and thus worthy of our disdain.


Also, since I just called out 1/5 of the players, some protection would be nice.

[TheBoyWonder22]

I din't phrase that last post as completely as I'd like. I think deliberation is undoubtedly beneficial. However, I think as we progress, we need some sort of infusion of info. It's day one, we have nothing to go off of and no one is revealing their roles, nor should they.

I think we've plateaued as someone said earlier. So we need to work upon some suspicion or go no-lynch. At this point, no-lynch could be advantageous, but it carries with it the risk of losing a guy without killing a bad guy. Plus, I know when no-lynch was decided upon in the first game the mafia won

Consider the odds. I don't know the ratio but there are significantly fewer mafia than us. Odds are we take out one of our own rather than take out one of the few mafia. I'm leaning towards that unless someone has a well-presented argument for lynching someone specifically.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Only took 30 mins for that post to show up after you said it was coming TH but I agree with your points. My favourite part of your post was you asking for protection just like JBond haha.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I've also thought maybe both JBond and Gonza are evil, and this has all been a ploy so both of them can claim the other is the evil one who's having the mafia frame him, and vice versa, when they're investigated, thus allowing their continued existence. The mafia has shown they'll throw somebody under the bus if they think it's best for them as a whole, as IBC did in the Werewolf gang, so this could be the next version of it.


Oh man, with the sheer amount of insults I tossed at the Werewolves and mafia in the last two games for doing that, I couldn't fathom it being a strategy for me.

And how would Gonzo and I coordinate that without cheating? If one of us is evil, it is him.

[Caddy]

Asking for protection on night 1 is dumb. I played Firefly and Harry Potter as a protector and I chose not to use my protections power on night one in both games.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Oh man, with the sheer amount of insults I tossed at the Werewolves and mafia in the last two games for doing that, I couldn't fathom it being a strategy for me.

And how would Gonzo and I coordinate that without cheating? If one of us is evil, it is him.

You are so funny. If we were both evil we could easily do this without talking. Pretty sure between the two of us, you have acted way more evil and because I know I am good I would say you are the evil one. Either that or you don't know how to play this game and actually make it far.

[TitanHope]

Only took 30 mins for that post to show up after you said it was coming TH but I agree with your points. My favourite part of your post was you asking for protection just like JBond haha.

JBond asked for it because he's been going after you so hard. I asked for it because I brought up so many people that have caught my eye.

AND I'M A SLOW TYPER!

@JBond: Aren't evil guys allowed to PM, or is that only during the night phase?

@Caddy: You are a mean person!

[TheBoyWonder22]

Any thoughts on my post? I kind of put my heart on the line haha.

[Dr. Gonzo]

JBond asked for it because he's been going after you so hard. I asked for it because I brought up so many people that have caught my eye.

AND I'M A SLOW TYPER!

@JBond: Aren't evil guys allowed to PM, or is that only during the night phase?

@Caddy: You are a mean person!

I died at night in the Firefly game because I called out a bunch of people, some of whom turned out to be mafia and because I even mentioned their name once I was taken out (I am looking at you Bulldogs) so you asking for protection is 100 percent more legitimate than JBond doing it. At this point I am really starting to think he is evil and claim that he isn't evil because he has been so vocal.

[Caddy]

JBond asked for it because he's been going after you so hard. I asked for it because I brought up so many people that have caught my eye.

AND I'M A SLOW TYPER!

@JBond: Aren't evil guys allowed to PM, or is that only during the night phase?

@Caddy: You are a mean person!

It's not mean! I chose not to use my power on night one in those games for numerous reasons.

[TitanHope]

Any thoughts on my post? I kind of put my heart on the line haha.

If I understand it right, the advantage we get if we land a hit on a mafioso is worth risking the disadvantage we face if we accidentally kill a town person.

I died at night in the Firefly game because I called out a bunch of people, some of whom turned out to be mafia and because I even mentioned their name once I was taken out (I am looking at you Bulldogs) so you asking for protection is 100 percent more legitimate than JBond doing it. At this point I am really starting to think he is evil and claim that he isn't evil because he has been so vocal.

Plus, I'll have more to contribute tomorrow than JBond will...

It's not mean! I chose not to use my power on night one in those games for numerous reasons.

ALL OF THEM BEING SELFISH!

[D-Unit]

As good as some people want to believe they are in their deductive reasoning skills, the truth of the matter is that lynching anyone right now is a bad move for the town. Just guessing by the sheer percentage of good vs bad, the odds are more likely that we end up killing a good guy.

It's been a long time since the mafia has beaten the town in these games. I don't even remember seeing it happen, though I know it has (and probably can be done). But really, if we play safe, we should be able to keep the town safe once again. With no info to go off of, and just hoping for someone to look fishy, and hoping again that we're right that they are bad, it's a very risky move.

We're better off going into the night with everyone safe, then coming back together with better information to build a case tomorrow.

Anyone antsy to kill without more reason than a hunch will appear very mafia like...at least to me.

Vote: No lynch

[GallopingGhost]

I'd rather take a shot in the dark than a no lynch.

[vidae]

I'll start if off even.

I thought how Vidae came on knowing his neice would be taking him away from the computer for most of the day, and yet decided to sneak in a herdvote for ATL, was suspicious. In defense of that, he retroactively said he was just going along with the group since it looked like a sure thing and didn't want suspicion thrown his way should he not vote for ATL only for ATL to be proven to be a bad guy (paraphrasing), but why do that if you're a good guy who's not gonna be on to talk and unvote if you have to? Why be so quick to vote for a supposed bad guy because it could be held against you later despite having the valid babysitting excuse to explain your inactivity? Then he claims to be a Townie with an insignificant power, which to me like he's playing middle of the pack. I'm good, but unimportant.

If I was voting solely based on me thinking someone was suspicious, then Vidae would be my vote.

Like I said, you can kill me if you want but you'd lose a townie and you'd gain absolutely no information from my death. If my play has been erratic the last 24 hours it's only because I've been wired from having to do this. I feel like I've already explained my behavior enough though, and you're still suspicious of me, so there isn't much I can do.

If that is enough for you to lynch someone, be my guest. You will lose a townie, but one who has played a lot of these games and is familiar with how they run.

[D-Unit]

I'd rather take a shot in the dark than a no lynch.
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/261/4/9/frieza_vs__goku_by_deloreanjoe-d4a7pun.jpg

Frieza... is that you???

[Caddy]

ALL OF THEM BEING SELFISH!

Sort of I guess. I just figure I am highly likely to be targeted on night one in every game I play, so if I have an important role (especially protector), it is better off not using it on the odd chance I get watched or something. Plus it's really just a stab in the dark protect and I'd rather not use it on a potential mafioso.

Also I am no longer in transit so no more phone posts! (In cute news of the day, while I was driving I saw a kangaroo with a joey in its pouch!)

[TitanHope]

Like I said, you can kill me if you want but you'd lose a townie and you'd gain absolutely no information from my death. If my play has been erratic the last 24 hours it's only because I've been wired from having to do this. I feel like I've already explained my behavior enough though, and you're still suspicious of me, so there isn't much I can do.

If that is enough for you to lynch someone, be my guest. You will lose a townie, but one who has played a lot of these games and is familiar with how they run.

I can't kill you if I want. I UPHOLD THE LAW GOOD SIR!

It's because you're so experienced that I'm suspicious of you. You'd know how to play the game as a bad player, which is inconspicuously. Like going along with the group when lynching. Claiming to be a good person but insignificant. Don't get defensive and instead rationally state how your death wouldn't benefit the town because you're with the town and an experienced player (the latter which Rob stated first, and Gonzo reciprocated). And if you are evil, then it means the evil side has the amazing player, and not ours.

My main hangup is your reasoning for voting for ATL. You said you did it because if ATL was bad, you wanted to be a voter so you wouldn't appear suspicious, but when people asked about your inactivity, you said you were babysitting. You had the excuse for not voting already, so you were in the clear regardless, but you voted for him anyway. Why?

[scottyboy]

D, you're the only one to vote, and even really back, no lynch. A no lynch isn't going to happen and is as useless as not voting...

but then again I haven't voted. ATL and gonzo have been odd to me. Part of me is believing gonzo because he's been so important in past games...so so good...but that shouldn't give him a free pass in this. Again, i think GG is just a nut job who posts like a lunatic

[TitanHope]

Is there a time limit for the days? If so, would the person with the most votes be lynched or would a no lynch occur?

Just wondering how much time left we have to deliberate.

[Razor]

Jeez, it's still day?

[TitanHope]

Also, during the night phase, someone watch me to see who targets me.

If I die, you'll have the killer.

If I live and am not roleblocked, then I'll have info.

If I live and am roleblocked, then you'll see the roleblocker.

Good way to ensure we get some information if I'm not protected.

[D-Unit]

D, you're the only one to vote, and even really back, no lynch. A no lynch isn't going to happen and is as useless as not voting...

but then again I haven't voted. ATL and gonzo have been odd to me. Part of me is believing gonzo because he's been so important in past games...so so good...but that shouldn't give him a free pass in this. Again, i think GG is just a nut job who posts like a lunatic
Well I ain't gonna vote to kill someone if I don't think they are bad. ...and right now, the only thing to go off is someone picking up on an odd hunch. Forget it. We have the numbers to start the game. It's not going to do any favors to kill off a good member of the town on Day 1 based off gut feelings, what roles people had in past games or irresponsible babbling.

Day 2 will have better info to go off of. Not sure why you would even suggest that a no lynch is useless and not gonna happen. It's happened on Day 1 many times before. You know that.

[Caddy]

Also, during the night phase, someone watch me to see who targets me.

If I die, you'll have the killer.

If I live and am not roleblocked, then I'll have info.

If I live and am roleblocked, then you'll see the roleblocker.

Good way to ensure we get some information if I'm not protected.

Lets theoretically say you have an important night power. If a watcher does choose to watch you and you are role blocked, we discover a role blocker. However, if like you are requesting you are protected, we learn two names and have no way to distinguish which is good and which is bad - which indirectly leads to the mafia learning the name of a protector. That doesn't even include the third possibility that the protector is a jail keeper who protects and role blocks simultaneously.

[D-Unit]

Lets theoretically say you have an important night power. If a watcher does choose to watch you and you are role blocked, we discover a role blocker. However, if like you are requesting you are protected, we learn two names and have no way to distinguish which is good and which is bad - which indirectly leads to the mafia learning the name of a protector. That doesn't even include the third possibility that the protector is a jail keeper who protects and role blocks simultaneously.
There is also the possibility that TH is a mafia member and could simply share information that the mafia gets through investigation. The town could end up trusting the wrong guy for a few mistrusted days. I told R4L to do that in Harry Potter and it worked like a charm until it got late in the game. I have to say, that game was set up too hard for the death eaters to win but it was the funnest I've been in. The write ups were legendary.

That said, my gut tells me TH didn't realize that possibility as he's kind of new to mafia in general (I think). The new info he gets will really have to be convincing. Maybe we as a group should come together to tell TH who to investigate. Thoughts?

[Caddy]

There is also the possibility that TH is a mafia member and could simply share information that the mafia gets through investigation. The town could end up trusting the wrong guy for a few mistrusted days. I told R4L to do that in Harry Potter and it worked like a charm until it got late in the game. I have to say, that game was set up too hard for the death eaters to win but it was the funnest I've been in. The write ups were legendary.

That said, my gut tells me TH didn't realize that possibility as he's kind of new to mafia in general (I think). The new info he gets will really have to be convincing. Maybe we as a group should come together to tell TH who to investigate. Thoughts?

There has to be a point where you stop giving people passes for being 'new' to mafia. Unless this is your very first game, that excuse doesn't fly with me.

Telling him who to investigate is just as silly as his asking for protection. We tell him who to think and they are either a) evil or b) framed and now evil.

[Grizzlegom]

Vote Count

ATL (2): Renji, Trogdor
APS (2): Wooty, Bantx
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (9): BeerBaron, JVig, Razor, Bulldogs, ATL, Forenci, Vidae, APS, CMD
Razor (1): GG
JBond (1): Gonzo
No Lynch (1): D-Unit

With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.

[Wootylicous]

Unvote APS
Vote GG

[Trogdor]

Still believe lynching GG is a waste. He may be a nutcase but as others have said he would pretty much be the worst evil character with his posting.

Nothing has changed since I went to be in terms of suspicions so I'll keep my vote on ATL.

[Trogdor]

^
went to bed*

[scottyboy]

i'm going back and re-reading everything and so far renji is a little suspicious to me.

I'm also noting bulldogs backing/defending ATL pretty hard. Could be a connection to look in to in the future

[Razor]

We need three more votes to lynch GG. I think that we need to make a decision today about what to do. Either we don't lynch anyone, or we lynch GG who's either evil or innocent. But even as an innocent his frantic behavior could be a liability for the town, as he can easily be swayed by the mafia.

[scottyboy]

i dont think GG is evil, but I also think he's going to be the one lynched tonight. I'm just not sure about it though.

I also am very suspicious of the inactivity of Deep and Renji. 2 normally super active guys, especially in these, with 1 or 2 posts each, with Renji just voting ATL and leaving.

Going back, Razor, your posts threw me off a little bit, I'm a bit wary of you

[Jvig43]

Alright just catching up now and this might be the longest day one ever. I was comfortable with lynching GG because even if he was a townie he isn't really helping with his gameplay, and I have always been ok with taking a chance on offing people like that anyway. But if we all agree that he is just a townie, Shane would be next on my suspect list just because of the random accusations at Gonzo and Vidae (although either really could be bad). A no lynch right now is normally what I would go with but it seems like we have a handful of people who are acting funny that may give us some clues if we decide to lynch them. Are we officially getting of the lynch GG bandwagon?

[Caddy]

i dont think GG is evil, but I also think he's going to be the one lynched tonight. I'm just not sure about it though.

I also am very suspicious of the inactivity of Deep and Renji. 2 normally super active guys, especially in these, with 1 or 2 posts each, with Renji just voting ATL and leaving.

Going back, Razor, your posts threw me off a little bit, I'm a bit wary of you

I know for a fact Renji is writing his thesis paper which is due very soon. Doesn't mean he isn't bad, but it explains his lack of activity.

Also, I'm going to bed so for the love of god, please don't make me read 15 pages when I wake up!

[scottyboy]

I know for a fact Renji is writing his thesis paper which is due very soon. Doesn't mean he isn't bad, but it explains his lack of activity.

Also, I'm going to bed so for the love of god, please don't make me read 15 pages when I wake up!

i do recall that, forgot about that. So scratch that off.

Still wary of deep though.

But I feel like what's going to happen is a lynching of GG, him being a townie, and us relying on night info and someone sticking their neck out for the town

[Caddy]

i do recall that, forgot about that. So scratch that off.

Still wary of deep though.

But I feel like what's going to happen is a lynching of GG, him being a townie, and us relying on night info and someone sticking their neck out for the town

I brought Deep's name up a few pages ago as someone we should be wary of, so I'm in agreement there.

[Rob S]

I will have to search the thread for deep's posts, but I will save that for when I am not on my phone. Razors last post was a bit strange....why does it have to be gg or no lynch?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Can we just make moves at this point? Jesus, this is way too long of a day 1.

[scottyboy]

Can we just make moves at this point? Jesus, this is way too long of a day 1.

that's why I think GG is going to end up being lynched, for the sake of moving this thing along, but Deep and Razor are more suspicious for me, but it is what it is

[bantx]

I will change my vote catching up APS's story has checked out and to get things going I will vote GG to keep things moving.

Unvote : APS
Vote : GG

I will be gone for the remainder of the day because it is Cambodian New Years yay

[ImBrotherCain]

Vote Count

ATL (2): Renji, Trogdor
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (11): BeerBaron, JVig, Razor, Bulldogs, ATL, Forenci, Vidae, APS, CMD, Wooty, Bantx
Razor (1): GG
JBond (1): Gonzo
No Lynch (1): D-Unit

With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.

[Rob S]

Looking over Deep's posts, I don't see anything other than his inactivity that suggests evil. He took the currently popular stance on GG before it was cool, so that's something. Unless both of them are evil, I think Deep may be thinking like a good member of the town.

[vidae]

I can't kill you if I want. I UPHOLD THE LAW GOOD SIR!

It's because you're so experienced that I'm suspicious of you. You'd know how to play the game as a bad player, which is inconspicuously. Like going along with the group when lynching. Claiming to be a good person but insignificant. Don't get defensive and instead rationally state how your death wouldn't benefit the town because you're with the town and an experienced player (the latter which Rob stated first, and Gonzo reciprocated). And if you are evil, then it means the evil side has the amazing player, and not ours.

My main hangup is your reasoning for voting for ATL. You said you did it because if ATL was bad, you wanted to be a voter so you wouldn't appear suspicious, but when people asked about your inactivity, you said you were babysitting. You had the excuse for not voting already, so you were in the clear regardless, but you voted for him anyway. Why?

These games are largely the same. If you're inactive, suspicious. If you vote for someone who is good, suspicious. If you DON'T vote for someone who is bad, you're public enemy number one.

That is the reason I voted for ATL. I logged on to check if there was any progress, it looked like ATL was going to be lynched, and I didn't want people to think I was evil because I didn't vote. It didn't matter if I had an excuse.. if I didn't help lynch someone that was evil, I would have been suspicious.

I do find it weird that you're suspicious of me because I've played these. Wouldn't you want someone with experience around the entire game? I mean, if you weren't evil.

[Razor]

I will have to search the thread for deep's posts, but I will save that for when I am not on my phone. Razors last post was a bit strange....why does it have to be gg or no lynch?

Of course not, but he's the one that had the most votes when I wrote that. If we decide to not lynch him and not vote for a no lynch then we'll have another 20 pages of discussing absolutely nothing.

[Wootylicous]

Let's get done with day 1 for christ sake :P

[Dr. Gonzo]

that's why I think GG is going to end up being lynched, for the sake of moving this thing along, but Deep and Razor are more suspicious for me, but it is what it is

If people keep thinking like this he will be. GG may be crazy but if he were evil he would not have played like that. I am 99 percent sure he is good. I think moving on to lynch someone else will show a lot about voting patterns. Nobody who is evil wants to stand out so they will be the ones who won't switch votes until they see that the majority has moved on to someone else. Only voting with the majority is pretty much always the easiest way to tell who is evil. I just don't think it is wise to vote GG out at this point, we pretty much all agree he is very likely good and the fact that so many people say his lynch is inevitable leads me to believe one or more of those people are evil (not accusing you Scotty just saying).

[DeepThreat]

Sorry for the inactivity. I went out to eat for my sister's birthday last night, and there wasn't much happening later.

I'm willing to vote GG just so something happens, but I would still be surprised if he's evil.

I'm not sure if D-Unit is just being himself with stupid play or if he is evil.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Sorry for the inactivity. I went out to eat for my sister's birthday last night, and there wasn't much happening later.

I'm willing to vote GG just so something happens, but I would still be surprised if he's evil.

I'm not sure if D-Unit is just being himself with stupid play or if he is evil.

See if it was only you saying you will vote to end the day that would be fine. So far at least 6 of you have said that though. At least one of you is evil. I just so nobody willing to take a stand and stand apart from the group. I fear this will be the time the mafia finally wins won. I just see GG getting lynched and JBond has already made it very easy for one of us to be framed, not saying he isn't evil either but I just see the town buying the explanation that he was framed which is a great strategy on his part. On top of that so many people have said pretty much the exact same thing about voting out GG that it will be tough to gather info from that.

[Razor]

that's why I think GG is going to end up being lynched, for the sake of moving this thing along, but Deep and Razor are more suspicious for me, but it is what it is

II can assure you that I'm not evil. I've already twice told you my role. If you don't believe fine, then lynch me. You'll just kill an innocent and have that blood on your hands. I've already said that GG is most likely good, but he's so easily swung by others that he can end up being a liability. If not GG then who? JBond seems suspicious to me, but that's only a hunch. I'm not sure about RobS either, but again I have nothing to go on. To move forward we need information and we can only get that by lynching someone or not. Either way we need to decide what to do instead of this pointless debate that is ongoing.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I will be at work from 1-9 just so everyone knows. I am keeping my vote for Shane because something seems off about him. Asking for protection and setting himself up very nicely to say he was framed if he comes back evil. I would be willing to bet at this point his is bad. If you decide to lynch GG well I hope for all of our sakes that he is evil but I just don't see it. I just can't bring myself to vote for anybody that I think has a less than 50/50 shot of being evil.

[BeerBaron]

Let's get done with day 1 for christ sake :P

Seriously. I'm out of things to even say at this point.

[GallopingGhost]

You can all say i played like a crazy person this day, but tell me a day 1 where you have this much information. I created opportunities for reactions from people. I got people talking... that is playing like a crazy person, but it's contributing to the town. Trust me, down the road in these games, i'm a good player for those who have played with me. That's why i'm saying, if you honestly think i'm evil... go for it... but cmon, you can't honestly say it's a good lynch knowing someone is good and voting him out.

[Wootylicous]

Let's move this thing along

[GallopingGhost]

Let's move this thing along

I thought you were my boy Woot.

[Wootylicous]

You haven't added me on facebook Riley.

[GallopingGhost]

You haven't added me on facebook Riley.

I searched Wooty Magic but nothing came up :( .

[Wootylicous]

Search for frenchie

[BeerBaron]

You can all say i played like a crazy person this day, but tell me a day 1 where you have this much information. I created opportunities for reactions from people. I got people talking... that is playing like a crazy person, but it's contributing to the town. Trust me, down the road in these games, i'm a good player for those who have played with me. That's why i'm saying, if you honestly think i'm evil... go for it... but cmon, you can't honestly say it's a good lynch knowing someone is good and voting him out.

No one knows ******* anything. Day 1 is a total roll of the dice and right now, it's just a massive circle jerk with people thinking others are suspicious for the most trivial of reasons.

Since these things always have more good than bad, the odds of us picking a good person with no actual information to go on are high anyway.

I say we chance it on someone, get some real information during the night, and go from there.

[GallopingGhost]

No one knows ******* anything. Day 1 is a total roll of the dice and right now, it's just a massive circle jerk with people thinking others are suspicious for the most trivial of reasons.

Since these things always have more good than bad, the odds of us picking a good person with no actual information to go on are high anyway.

I say we chance it on someone, get some real information during the night, and go from there.

The way i see it, in your minds there is a 10% chance i'm bad, and a 90% chance i'm good... you guys just want the day to be done. There are better odds picking the ones that are always the real bad guys... the ones that hop on any voting bus they can.

[DeepThreat]

Okay, **** it. Even if GG is good, I doubt he contributes anything. Let's get this damn day over with.

Lynch GallopingGhost

[ImBrotherCain]

Due to the first day being at least 25 hours long and 20 pages I will attempt to add things to speed things up.

As of right now there will be no "No Lynching" on Day One. Meaning someone must be lynched today.

[ImBrotherCain]

Vote Count

ATL (2): Renji, Trogdor
Gonzo (1): JBond
GallopingGhost (12): BeerBaron, JVig, Razor, Bulldogs, ATL, Forenci, Vidae, APS, CMD, Wooty, Bantx, Deep
Razor (1): GG
JBond (1): Gonzo


With 24 alive 13 are needed for majority.

[Wootylicous]

I believe we can get one more vote at least...

[GallopingGhost]

As for not contributing, doing my thing, i have come up with this.
There is literally nothing i'm more sure of this day. I'm 99% sure DeepThreat is evil. I swear to God this man is evil, and honestly just trust me on this one, and tomorrow if i'm not right... lynch my ass.

[A Perfect Score]

Fall on your sword, GG. Vote for yourself. Die with honour, Yajirobe!

[Wootylicous]

Be a goddamn samurai