DBZ Saiyan Saga - Saiyans Win!

[Razor]

So when's the next one? I can't get that taste out of my mouth soon enough.

This is exactly how I feel. I shall get my revenge...

[A Perfect Score]

In all seriousness, APS should have won this game. Nobody even remotely looked his direction and Bulldogs just randomly picked him because he knew, like D-Unit, that the people on these boards need little to no coercing to kill him for no reason.

My plan, if I was to get caught as "evil", was to tell everyone I was the vigilante and working on their behalf. I would have admitted to killing vidae based on his lack of activity and him usually being a discussion leader, but I didn't have time to offer that defense before the town blindly followed Bulldogs into a lynch that ultimately lost them the game. Well played on his part though, I just can't believe people believed him when it was very, very obvious that he was not telling the truth.

[Bulldogs]

There was only like one person who questioned me too. Ultimately that's why I made sure the sensible, talkative players were gone before I made my big move.

[Bulldogs]

Great game though guys. The Frieza saga should be pretty sweet, they have more high-powered bad guys than this one so it should be interesting. Awesome write ups.

[Gay Ork Wang]

you people need to rely on information way less. i seriously cant believe you fell for bulldogs twice. has to be the worst thing anyone has ever done in mafia.

[Razor]

Oh yes, the write-ups for this game were great. If you haven't already rep'd the **** out of Grizz you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Bulldogs]

you people need to rely on information way less.

And this is why I made sure you were dead before I made my move. :evil_laugh:

[A Perfect Score]

And this is why I made sure you were dead before I made my move. :evil_laugh:

Yeah, I knew I had to get Renji out of the way early. Him and vidae were the two targets I knew needed to go before I could really put much of anything into play.

[Gay Ork Wang]

And this is why I made sure you were dead before I made my move. :evil_laugh:
APS and mafia both killed me that night.

there is just so much wrong with stuff out there.

Thinking logically, you already had 2 cops and a backup cop. there was no way that there is another watcher in the game. that is way too lopsided.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Yeah, I knew I had to get Renji out of the way early. Him and vidae were the two targets I knew needed to go before I could really put much of anything into play.
thats you thanks for me always protecting you! you shall die a horrible death every game i play from now on!

[A Perfect Score]

thats you thanks for me always protecting you! you shall die a horrible death every game i play from now on!

I would think it's more of a compliment then anything.

[Raiderz4Life]

thats you thanks for me always protecting you! you shall die a horrible death every game i play from now on!

Now you see why getting rid of APS and DG first is imperative in every game?

[Bulldogs]

APS and mafia both killed me that night.

there is just so much wrong with stuff out there.

Thinking logically, you already had 2 cops and a backup cop. there was no way that there is another watcher in the game. that is way too lopsided.

I don't disagree. My original goal was to just kill D-Unit and then the next day pretty much claim I am the most powerful good player to lure out Goku and kill him. I ended up instead getting D (Yajorobie), APS (Garlic), and Razor (Gohan) before wasting the Dragon Balls and taking down Goku with me.

[Bulldogs]

You knew the game was off to a garbage start when everybody knew GallopingGhost was good and just ended up lynching him anyway.

[Shane P. Hallam]

If only people had just listened!

[Dr. Gonzo]

I would think it's more of a compliment then anything.

Exactly. This is why I have played dumb occasionally. Vocal guys have been and should be the first people the mafia kill.

[Raiderz4Life]

So who used the balls to bring back Razor?

[Bulldogs]

So who used the balls to bring back Razor?

Trogdor aka Master Roshi. Waste of the balls too seeing as Gohan came back without cop abilities. I said it last page, but Trogdor, Bantx, and Goose all played really poor games.

[Dr. Gonzo]

You knew the game was off to a garbage start when everybody knew GallopingGhost was good and just ended up lynching him anyway.

That was so funny to me. I know first lynch generally ends with a good guy dead but I would never kill a guy I thought was good day one who also provided no info. Shane also did not do a great job at all arguing against me, I was my own worst enemy.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I would think it's more of a compliment then anything.
idc, doesnt help me play the game!

[Gay Ork Wang]

If only people had just listened!
BUT YOU HAZ NO INFORMATIONZ

[Bulldogs]

I also find it hilarious that the one guy who questioned Caddy (ATL) gets killed and nobody says a thing. Just awful play by the town.

[Dr. Gonzo]

idc, doesnt help me play the game!

Games will always be like this. The mafia will target you and people like Shane for throwing accusations around and the town will be suspicious of people throwing accusations around because it is a death wish. Ultimately things won't change until the whole town grows done balls and people stop laying so low because if only half the town speaks out they will die.

[bantx]

Trogdor aka Master Roshi. Waste of the balls too seeing as Gohan came back without cop abilities. I said it last page, but Trogdor, Bantx, and Goose all played really poor games.

I played bad? I was not on the train to vote for razor until TH came to post.


Bulldog
DG
APS
TBW

is my list we don't need to drag this out longer than it should. The one that will be the most beneficial with more info should be the one being lynched.

Had all that was evil listed with you being on top but some how when I was gone everyone was on the Razor train and even I was suspicious of him, but wanted to wait for our investigators for more info. I didn't even vote for Razor to get lynched the Mafia took advantage of everyone jumping on him.

[Bulldogs]

I played bad? I was not on the train to vote for razor until TH came to post.




Had all that was evil listed with you being on top but some how when I was gone everyone was on the Razor train and even I was suspicious of him, but wanted to wait for our investigators for more info. I didn't even vote for Razor to get lynched the Mafia took advantage of everyone jumping on him.

I'm mostly saying that because two investigators wasted their power on you and there a couple of people who still thought you were a little suspicious. IMO that's what happens when you play quiet.

[Grizzlegom]

Trogdor aka Master Roshi. Waste of the balls too seeing as Gohan came back without cop abilities. I said it last page, but Trogdor, Bantx, and Goose all played really poor games.

Razor actually did come back as a cop. In addition, if Trog didn't use the balls, they would have turned to stone upon BeerBaron's death so it's actually a good thing he used it at that time haha

[CashmoneyDrew]

At least I gave my panties away before dying. And to the best good guy to boot.

[TheBoyWonder22]

Hahaha the only two times I've been evil the mafia has won! You guys had me there for a second.

[Bulldogs]

Hahaha the only two times I've been evil the mafia has won! You guys had me there for a second.

I did my best to completely take the mafia's mind off you. Killing D-Unit certainly didn't hurt.

[Jvig43]

Killing TBW would of ****** us.

[TheBoyWonder22]

I did my best to completely take the mafia's mind off you. Killing D-Unit certainly didn't hurt.
Not as much as I thought it would.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Killing TBW would of ****** us.

Pretty sure it was either me or him the day it was lynched so good thing it was me.

[Wootylicous]

Rawrrrrr **** you Bulma!

[Wootylicous]

Also having an ooc strategy ******* blow. The fun is this game is arguing not lawing ******* low.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Also having an ooc strategy ******* blow. The fun is this game is arguing not lawing ******* low.

Agreed. From now on whether I am good or bad I will be killing people who don't talk. (To be honest if I am bad I will only kill people who talk so if you aren't talking you are contributing to the town losing)

[ImBrotherCain]

I just laugh because people maintain they want a game base upon deduction and we gave you one but no one ran with it. We started with two investigators one that can only investigate on odd days and another full one.

This is what everyone wanted. Less power roles more passive roles and more strategy. I still contend that my favorite part of the entire game was seeing the mafia work together to try and allow Nappa to gain his ability ( In case people don't know he was basically a townie until the 3 Saibas died). This was just beautiful. Everyone working in unison to get this to happen. Willing to sacrifice themselves so they could power the team up.



Oh yes, the write-ups for this game were great. If you haven't already rep'd the **** out of Grizz you should be ashamed of yourselves.

As for what Razor said her I can not say it enough. Although Grizz came in with only a little Mafia experience he helped me out immensely with his incredibly vast DBZ knowledge and these amazing write ups. As crazy as it sounds I was actually ecstatic for the Gohan/ Piccolo write up because it was just perfect.

[Bulldogs]

Yeah that was great IBC. We didn't even lose one Saiyan. Gonzo went down no problem, I tried my best to divert attention from TBW (Nappa), and DG pretty much agreed to take the fall. It all went down beautifully. Unblocked kills are hard to come by.

[bantx]

And I honestly don't see how I was the one laying low when people were posting far less than I was :\ but whatever the game is over

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yeah that was great IBC. We didn't even lose one Saiyan. Gonzo went down no problem, I tried my best to divert attention from TBW (Nappa), and DG pretty much agreed to take the fall. It all went down beautifully. Unblocked kills are hard to come by.

I was hoping that by seeming good to some people it would further divide the the town. I knew I had to die but was just really hoping I could have taken out Shane first.

[Bulldogs]

And I honestly don't see how I was the one laying low when people were posting far less than I was :\ but whatever the game is over

I also called out Goose and Trogdor who were the other main culprits in my mind. I have nothing against you, it was just easy to keep you alive because it's not like you'd get all vocal and question me.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I also called out Goose and Trogdor who were the other main culprits in my mind. I have nothing against you, it was just easy to keep you alive because it's not like you'd get all vocal and question me.

I honestly forgot Goose was in the game for a while.

[Bulldogs]

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52182&page=62

Check out this page. It's hilarious. It's the day after I convinced the town to lynch D-Unit. Before I checked in, the vote count was 5 votes for DG, and 2 for me. This might be my most glorious work, as I cast doubt on TH's investigations and convince the town APS is evil. Huge change of what could of been.

[Raiderz4Life]

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52182&page=62

Check out this page. It's hilarious. It's the day after I convinced the town to lynch D-Unit. Before I checked in, the vote count was 5 votes for DG, and 2 for me. This might be my most glorious work, as I cast doubt on TH's investigations and convince the town APS is evil. Huge change of what could of been.

DG, Bulldogs and TBW are all evil? :S

This quote just summarizes everything so perfectly lmao

[Caddy]

Hi guys!!!!

[Bulldogs]

Hi guys!!!!

Good win friend.

[Caddy]

I just laugh because people maintain they want a game base upon deduction and we gave you one but no one ran with it. We started with two investigators one that can only investigate on odd days and another full one.

This is what everyone wanted. Less power roles more passive roles and more strategy. I still contend that my favorite part of the entire game was seeing the mafia work together to try and allow Nappa to gain his ability ( In case people don't know he was basically a townie until the 3 Saibas died). This was just beautiful. Everyone working in unison to get this to happen. Willing to sacrifice themselves so they could power the team up.





As for what Razor said her I can not say it enough. Although Grizz came in with only a little Mafia experience he helped me out immensely with his incredibly vast DBZ knowledge and these amazing write ups. As crazy as it sounds I was actually ecstatic for the Gohan/ Piccolo write up because it was just perfect.

Well me and Renji are pretty much the only people who are asking for that. Renji died and I was evil... :evil_laugh:

[Caddy]

http://ladygeekgirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/nappavegetaraditz-friezadefeated.png

[ImBrotherCain]

Well me and Renji are pretty much the only people who are asking for that. Renji died and I was evil... :evil_laugh:

JBond and Vidae did I think. I also think Job might have but I could be wrong.

[Jvig43]

I'm fine with it that way as well. I just don't think Shane did a very good job of pointing out why he thought Gonzo was evil, which is why people were hesitant in that scenario and why it lasted so long.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'm fine with it that way as well. I just don't think Shane did a very good job of pointing out why he thought Gonzo was evil, which is why people were hesitant in that scenario and why it lasted so long.

Well because he had no good reason. I figure what will happen is next game he will be wrong or evil and people will go back to not listening to him haha. He made it too easy!

[Caddy]

JBond and Vidae did I think. I also think Job might have but I could be wrong.

They died early though! :D

[vidae]

They died early though! :D

I never die. I'm just reborn into a new body. Right now I'm Brodeur. It's weird in here.

[Raiderz4Life]

I never die. I'm just reborn into a new body. Right now I'm Brodeur. It's weird in here.

That's disgusting and I feel bad for you.

[Jvig43]

I never die. I'm just reborn into a new body. Right now I'm Brodeur. It's weird in here.

Yeah but things must make so much more sense now as to why he is the way he is. Amirghtamirght?

[ImBrotherCain]

How is the intense lust for Bears? :puke:

[Caddy]

BB the only reason we killed you, was because you were the only person I scouted with a power level above 3000. We actually liked having you around

[Shane P. Hallam]

I am still facepalming the Bulldogs trust.

[Caddy]

We couldn't believe people were buying it.

[Raiderz4Life]

We couldn't believe people were buying it.

I couldn't either. I was laughing so hard.

Although the way the scotty/bd/APS deal went down did trip me out a bit haha

[Grizzlegom]

I still wish Bulldogs would have picked someone else to go after that second day instead of APS. The way things were going early on, I didn't think the town or the mafia deserved to win. The Gonzo/JBond incident made every mafia member aside from Jvig looks suspicious, to the point where I thought the town would just lynch them all in order once they realized Gonzo was evil. I thought Gonzo would have been smarter falling on his sword because he pretty much outed the entire mafia. I was clearly wrong though...haha

[Shane P. Hallam]

I'm fine with it that way as well. I just don't think Shane did a very good job of pointing out why he thought Gonzo was evil, which is why people were hesitant in that scenario and why it lasted so long.

Sorry that I didn't have a power to find it out! I deducted correctly, I won't always be right, but listening to me will work most of the time!

[Bulldogs]

I still wish Bulldogs would have picked someone else to go after that second day instead of APS. The way things were going early on, I didn't think the town or the mafia deserved to win. The Gonzo/JBond incident made every mafia member aside from Jvig looks suspicious, to the point where I thought the town would just lynch them all in order once they realized Gonzo was evil. I thought Gonzo would have been smarter falling on his sword because he pretty much outed the entire mafia. I was clearly wrong though...haha

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/686/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif

[Raiderz4Life]

I still love the ending. It was just so fitting haha

Chiaotzu taking out Bulma.

[TitanHope]

I like how when Woot dies, instead of taking out TBW, who we investigated and came up evil, he decides to just blast away ******* Goosemahn instead. What. The. Hell. Bro.

The mafia won because of a perfect storm of factors, but what clinched it was because they were patient when it mattered. Woot, Scotty, and Goosemahn choosing to vote for Razor without the investigators coming on to give their info was what clinched the game for the Saiyans. Their votes were placed within a freakin' hour after Bulldogs, a guy who had come up evil, had setup Razor. This is my second game ever, and even I have enough sense to know that at that stage in the game, all the mafia needs is 2-3 votes from townies before they can railroad somebody.

Also, what were Nappa/Juggernaut's powers, and what, if anything, did the panties do?

[Caddy]

I like how when Woot dies, instead of taking out TBW, who we investigated and came up evil, he decides to just blast away ******* Goosemahn instead. What. The. Hell. Bro.

The mafia won because of a perfect storm of factors, but what clinched it was because they were patient when it mattered. Woot, Scotty, and Goosemahn choosing to vote for Razor without the investigators coming on to give their info was what clinched the game for the Saiyans. Their votes were placed within a freakin' hour after Bulldogs, a guy who had come up evil, had setup Razor. This is my second game ever, and even I have enough sense to know that at that stage in the game, all the mafia needs is 2-3 votes from townies before they can railroad somebody.

Also, what were Nappa/Juggernaut's powers, and what, if anything, did the panties do?

Nappa was able to kill someone without fear of roleblocking/protection (unstoppable kill), but he could only do it when all 3 saibamen were dead which is why we pushed so hard to get Bulldogs/DG killed in successive days.

We didn't win because of a 'perfect storm', we won because we took out the right people late in the game, controlled the thread during the day and you good guys played poorly.

[Bulldogs]

Nappa was able to kill someone without fear of roleblocking/protection (unstoppable kill), but he could only do it when all 3 saibamen were dead which is why we pushed so hard to get Bulldogs/DG killed in successive days.

We didn't win because of a 'perfect storm', we won because we took out the right people late in the game, controlled the thread during the day and you good guys played poorly.

Agreed. The good guy investigators were on at the wrong time, and for the most part Caddy and I dominated the game talk.

[TitanHope]

I didn't mean "perfect storm" in a bad way. Just meant it in the way that while one side can try to dictate what the other side does, there's still that little bit of grey area where things are taken out of their hands. Those areas are all throughout these games. That's all I meant to imply.

I think it's pretty unanimous that the mafia played well. Especially Caddy, in my opinion.

I will say that Goku being just a regular Cop makes me a sad panda. I get that my powers would have skyrocketed had I been revived, but honestly, what were the odds of that? I didn't even know that was a part of my role, let alone Trogdor who would have had to revive me. And then come find out it would've been nullified if Piccolo died. Let me use the Kamehameha or something! :(

[Shane P. Hallam]

I didn't mean "perfect storm" in a bad way. Just meant it in the way that while one side can try to dictate what the other side does, there's still that little bit of grey area where things are taken out of their hands. Those areas are all throughout these games. That's all I meant to imply.

I think it's pretty unanimous that the mafia didn't play well. Except for Caddy, in my opinion.



Fixed it for ya!

[Bulldogs]

Fixed it for ya!

Lol? Not much else I could do. I thought Gonzo played an especially poor game and TBW talked a little too much. Forenci/DG were both pretty quiet and didn't do much and Jvig played his usual role.

[BeerBaron]

I will say that Goku being just a regular Cop makes me a sad panda. I get that my powers would have skyrocketed had I been revived, but honestly, what were the odds of that? I didn't even know that was a part of my role, let alone Trogdor who would have had to revive me. And then come find out it would've been nullified if Piccolo died. Let me use the Kamehameha or something! :(

You were playing before he died vs. Radditz Goku. The Kamehameha didn't work there...

[Jvig43]

Excuse me, I was never looked at or suspected even once, and then was confirmed good by Razor. I would say I played at least a good game.

[Bulldogs]

I think he's mad because he got styled on. It's easy to say everyone other than Caddy played poorly but you don't see all the private messaging we had in Quick Topic. Everybody (other than Gonzo) was pretty crucial in that victory. I did my best to divert attention from TBW, and did a pretty damn good job imo.

[Caddy]

Excuse me, I was never looked at or suspected even once, and then was confirmed good by Razor. I would say I played at least a good game.

You did get investigated. I didn't. :banana:

[TitanHope]

Lol? Not much else I could do. I thought Gonzo played an especially poor game and TBW talked a little too much. Forenci/DG were both pretty quiet and didn't do much and Jvig played his usual role.

Well, you, Jvig, and DG got yourselves investigated despite having little to no public suspicion (I actually commended Razor investigating Jvig because I was planning on doing it), and Gonzo and TBW had so much public suspicion, we couldn't investigate them and trust the results to be accurate. Caddy made me think he was a town asset at times.

You were playing before he died vs. Radditz Goku. The Kamehameha didn't work there...

I'm a higher power level than Radditz and the Saibamen in this game.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think he's mad because he got styled on. It's easy to say everyone other than Caddy played poorly but you don't see all the private messaging we had in Quick Topic. Everybody (other than Gonzo) was pretty crucial in that victory. I did my best to divert attention from TBW, and did a pretty damn good job imo.

Listen buddy you want to take all the credit but we both know with me confusing the **** out of everyone we might not have won. I did call you bitches out but I think that just added to the confusing because I called others out as being suspect too.

[Caddy]

Listen buddy you want to take all the credit but we both know with me confusing the **** out of everyone we might not have won. I did call you bitches out but I think that just added to the confusing because I called others out as being suspect too.

I reject this. Our scrambling during the aftermath of your meltdown is why we won. Find me one person who played in the game/modded who thinks you played a good game.

[Raiderz4Life]

He might not have had a good game but the saga with jbond was hilariously epic. How that **** went on for so long is beyond me.

[TitanHope]

Anyone else wanna go in the backyard and play karate?

[Shane P. Hallam]

He might not have had a good game but the saga with jbond was hilariously epic. How that **** went on for so long is beyond me.

All they had to do was kill Gonzo :D

[Dr. Gonzo]

I reject this. Our scrambling during the aftermath of your meltdown is why we won. Find me one person who played in the game/modded who thinks you played a good game.

A meltdown by choice! One of us needed to die. I was only a damn goon too. I also will say TH would have been dead night 2 if you guys would have listened to me.

[Caddy]

A meltdown by choice! One of us needed to die. I was only a damn goon too. I also will say TH would have been dead night 2 if you guys would have listened to me.

It was a bad choice. Fortunately we had the resolve to get past it. I don't know how you can rationalise your actions as 'good', nobody else thinks you played a good game.

[Dr. Gonzo]

It was a bad choice. Fortunately we had the resolve to get past it. I don't know how you can rationalise your actions as 'good', nobody else thinks you played a good game.

Listen Caddy. You are wrong on this one. It is easy to say I didn't play a good game but I did. I am sorry I cannot play a boring game. The things that I did can't really be quantified because they were subtle. I will continue to argue this point. I caused so much confusing that splintered the whole damn town. Now I am not taking anything away from anybody else's game but to say a played a bad game is just idiotic.

[Caddy]

Listen Caddy. You are wrong on this one. It is easy to say I didn't play a good game but I did. I am sorry I cannot play a boring game. The things that I did can't really be quantified because they were subtle. I will continue to argue this point. I caused so much confusing that splintered the whole damn town. Now I am not taking anything away from anybody else's game but to say a played a bad game is just idiotic.

Anyone think Gonzo played a good game?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Anyone think Gonzo played a good game?

You can ask away but I don't really care what people think. I know I played a good game. Was it my best, no, but it was not bad at all. I guess I could have layed low and let TBW die, that would have been a better game for me. I should have allowed the town to not be divided and I should have left Shane alone. Forget that I almost got him lynched. Forget that I called taking out TH night two. Forget that by calling you guys out it alleviated some suspicion. You are right, I played a bad game. We should all play like you and do pretty much nothing all game.

[Raiderz4Life]

I don't think it was terrible. Your defense towards the end was really bad though lol you couldn't get it straight.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I don't think it was terrible. Your defense towards the end was really bad though lol you couldn't get it straight.

Well it was just the one mistake but ya it was dumb. I was at work and had no free time so I was pretty much risking getting fired and writing as fast as possible. In the end I was going down anyway and if it wasn't me it would have been TBW so it is good I died which I knew. After it all started to go downhill I just ran with it and tried to cause as much confusion as possible. I don't want to turn this thread into me bitching that I played a good game because really I know I did, I know I am the villain of mafia games and that is cool with me.

[Caddy]

Every single person I've spoken too during the game and post-game have agreed your game was poor and obvious. You may disagree, but that's just how it is.

[TitanHope]

Anyone think Gonzo played a good game?

I think he was average. He's probably closer to bad than good, though. Seems like he'd call you suspicious in one post and then was buying everything you were selling in another. And I don't buy him saying he had a plan or anything like that during it. Seems like it was mostly reactive.

I'll give him his credit with stringing things out to the point that there was a no lynch on day two, which left the mafia with an extra night of actions, and he did kinda get rushed by Shane from the get go. It was a tough hand to play, and in the process, he stunted the town and I don't think he hurt the rest of the mafia in the long run. So yeah, I wouldn't say bad, but I suppose below average. His side still won, and if he screwed up and allowed us to lynch him on Day 2, then it's possibly a different game since TBW was next in line in the suspicion list.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Every single person I've spoken too during the game and post-game have agreed your game was poor and obvious. You may disagree, but that's just how it is.

Are you missing the point? I wasn't trying to blend in. I played with the intention of going down early ish. I went down and caused a ton of confusion doing so. Not everyone in the mafia can lay low, that never works. I suppose I will take your opinion as fact though because that's just the way it is.

[Caddy]

Are you missing the point? I wasn't trying to blend in. I played with the intention of going down early ish. I went down and caused a ton of confusion doing so. Not everyone in the mafia can lay low, that never works. I suppose I will take your opinion as fact though because that's just the way it is.

Not everyone in the mafia did lay low... But its whatever. I, the rest of the mafia and nearly everyone else thought you played a bad game. We dealt with the aftermath well, made choice kills and controlled the thread.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think he was average. He's probably closer to bad than good, though. Seems like he'd call you suspicious in one post and then was buying everything you were selling in another. And I don't buy him saying he had a plan or anything like that during it. Seems like it was mostly reactive.

I'll give him his credit with stringing things out to the point that there was a no lynch on day two, which left the mafia with an extra night of actions, and he did kinda get rushed by Shane from the get go. It was a tough hand to play, and in the process, he stunted the town and I don't think he hurt the rest of the mafia in the long run. So yeah, I wouldn't say bad, but I suppose below average. His side still won, and if he screwed up and allowed us to lynch him on Day 2, then it's possibly a different game since TBW was next in line in the suspicion list.

Calling people suspicious and then saying I thought they were good was all part of the plan. I honestly was just trying to cause a massive amount of chaos. Not my original plan but after Shane calling me out (I still think I wasn't overly defensive at first but no biggie) I rolled with it. I still think I could have gotten Shane lynched day two with a little more time as well but it all worked out. I certainly wasn't planning on sticking around to the end. Goon is an awful role. I really had no say in what I did at night and there were two other goons anyway so I figured my place was to **** **** up during the day. I would say I played slightly above average :)

[Dr. Gonzo]

Not everyone in the mafia did lay low... But its whatever. I, the rest of the mafia and nearly everyone else thought you played a bad game. We dealt with the aftermath well, made choice kills and controlled the thread.

What aftermath? I ******* caused chaos to the town not you guys. Bulldogs did his **** on his own. You mafia guys were jerks anyway, I was helping you out by going down! I know you all got very sensitive that I called you out but not once did any townie use that as a negative against any of you because I knew they wouldn't after I made everything I posted seem like a lie.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Caddy you are becoming my new Shane you asshole! I will actually sit here all night and argue, I am a dick like that.

[Caddy]

It's weird how well we worked together once you died. :njx:

[Dr. Gonzo]

It's weird how well we worked together once you died. :njx:

I know! I was such a chemistry killer. Ruined it for the bad guys the first couple nights. If I had been around longer I would have completely blown the game for you guys by giving input and strategy ideas. I remember when I said we should kill Razor and was told by you that Razor would be protected so we should kill TH. Oh wait...

[Caddy]

I know! I was such a chemistry killer. Ruined it for the bad guys the first couple nights. If I had been around longer I would have completely blown the game for you guys by giving input and strategy ideas. I remember when I said we should kill Razor and was told by you that Razor would be protected so we should kill TH. Oh wait...

TH having been revealed as Goku would have been revived using the dragon balls and have become even stronger.

[TitanHope]

Yeah, why didn't ya'll kill me? No way could ya'll have known that if I was revived, I would have gone into god mode.

I don't see how the Shane/Gonzo thing was a big obstacle for the mafia. The town had a day with no info or lynch, and that night both Razor and I missed on our investigations while ya'll killed Vidae and power scouted somebody, which was one step closer to finding BeerBiccolo.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yeah, why didn't ya'll kill me? No way could ya'll have known that if I was revived, I would have gone into god mode.

I don't see how the Shane/Gonzo thing was a big obstacle for the mafia. The town had a day with no info or lynch, and that night both Razor and I missed on our investigations while ya'll killed Vidae and power scouted somebody, which was one step closer to finding BeerBiccolo.

It was a group decision but most of them wanted to kill Razor instead of you. I figured after the way people were talking and after I casted doubt on you day one there was no way you would be protected. I honestly don't know why I am getting the hate besides the fact that I am the resident villain because nothing Caddy has said has made sense. The fact that you would have come back more powerful does not change the fact that killing you that night was the right decision. I guess Caddy just does not agree with me because I was so vocal but I always rolled with the majority and I never did anything that would jeopardize the other mafia members. Caddy I know you were pissed that I mentioned you not voting I think night two but that only helped you. Bulldogs carried the team once I was dead. Why? He was bold and played balls to the wall like the mafia should, more than I can say for most.

I saw it in the LOTR game. The mafia is always willing to sell each other out to get farther (I sold BD out but in hind site he could have been used better). It is all about the end game. The mafia can law low all game but at a certain point everyone gets investigated and the truth will come out. The only way to win as mafia is to be bold.

[Raiderz4Life]

Yea I agree that selling out a fellow mafia member is OK if its for the greater good of the game, as long as they know what the plan is. Not something like ncst.

[Caddy]

Yea I agree that selling out a fellow mafia member is OK if its for the greater good of the game, as long as they know what the plan is. Not something like ncst.

This is exactly what we did following Gonzo's death. We worked together as a team, made decisions as a team, and won as a team.

[Dr. Gonzo]

This is exactly what we did following Gonzo's death. We worked together as a team, made decisions as a team, and won as a team.

So only following my death did the mafia come together. Gotcha. I must have been hallucinating us working together before my death. I am not trying to take full credit at all but I did play a part. Your pathological denial that I did any good for the team is actual kind of amusing. To some it may seem I have a patholigical need to be given some of the credit but really I keep getting called out as a bad player when I wasn't. If you think that you are either a moron, shortsighted, or have no idea how to play these games with strategy or in Caddy's case all of the above :)

[Caddy]

So only following my death did the mafia come together. Gotcha. I must have been hallucinating us working together before my death. I am not trying to take full credit at all but I did play a part. Your pathological denial that I did any good for the team is actual kind of amusing. To some it may seem I have a patholigical need to be given some of the credit but really I keep getting called out as a bad player when I wasn't. If you think that you are either a moron, shortsighted, or have no idea how to play these games with strategy or in Caddy's case all of the above :)

You'll be waiting a while.

[Dr. Gonzo]

You'll be waiting a while.

Nice quoting out of context jerk face. I played a better game then you. How's that?

[vidae]

Can't we all just get along?

[Caddy]

Nice quoting out of context jerk face. I played a better game then you. How's that?

I was one of the only players in the game not to get investigated. But yeah, you played better than me. :njx:

[Dr. Gonzo]

Can't we all just get along?

I am all for getting along. Just seems we have some people with frail egos around these parts :) It's okay Caddy, I am proud of you. You played a super duper great game.

[Raiderz4Life]

You'd think they would be glad they won lol

[Dr. Gonzo]

I was one of the only players in the game not to get investigated. But yeah, you played better than me. :njx:

I know. You were damn incredible. That wasn't a combination of luck and poor play by the town at all. It must be nice to have the reputation of super reliable all around great guy. I mean it wasn't obvious that the whole game you said a whole lot of nothing.

[Caddy]

I know. You were damn incredible. That wasn't a combination of luck and poor play by the town at all. It must be nice to have the reputation of super reliable all around great guy. I mean it wasn't obvious that the whole game you said a whole lot of nothing.

I said and contributed just enough to fly under the radar, despite having a super high post count. :smugdog:

[Dr. Gonzo]

I said and contributed just enough to fly under the radar, despite having a super high post count. :smugdog:

Hey it worked. You also were not a cancer to your team like me. It kind of amazes me how the same thing works every time but hey, doing the same thing seems to work for you Caddy so keep it up buddy.

[TitanHope]

It's amazing how you two can get so petty over a simple game. And to think, of all things, it's because your team actually won.

Can't we all just get along?

I'll have you know that you contributed NOTHING to our team's loss, Vidae! Once you died, we lost just fine without you! Worse even!

[Dr. Gonzo]

It's amazing how you two can get so petty over a simple game. And to think, of all things, it's because your team actually won.



I'll have you know that you contributed NOTHING to our team's loss, Vidae! Once you died, we lost just fine without you! Worse even!

It's all about being an internet tough guy. I am glad we won but I just thought I would point out my teamates are d bags for continuing to call my game bad and saying I hurt the team. **** you buddies!

[Caddy]

I'm the internet tough guy in all of this... :njx:

[vidae]

I'll have you know that you contributed NOTHING to our team's loss, Vidae! Once you died, we lost just fine without you! Worse even!

You son of a *****! You played a GREAT game! We would have been even more screwed if it weren't for you! You're a god damn stellar Mafia player and any team would be LUCKY to have you!!

[Raiderz4Life]

Well **** you all!!! I played a marvelous game. Didn't even know I was here did ya??

[vidae]

Well **** you all!!! I played a marvelous game. Didn't even know I was here did ya??

I always know you're here <3 <3 <3

[Raiderz4Life]

I always know you're here <3 <3 <3

I was rooting for you the whole time!! Was grief stricken when you died =(

[TheBoyWonder22]

I played the best game of all and everyone knows it.

[TitanHope]

I played the best game of all and everyone knows it.

9Pg0QyfUYZU

[Gay Ork Wang]

Gonzo played a horrible game. Caddy was miles better.

[Caddy]

Gonzo played a horrible game. Caddy was miles better.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

[TitanHope]

Gonzo played a horrible game. Caddy was miles better.

You, sir, tried to set me up!

[Gay Ork Wang]

You, sir, tried to set me up!
I motivated you!

[ImBrotherCain]

Just a couple things.

The Juggernaut was an extra unblocked kill for the mafia after the 3 Saibamen were killed. Thats how they had 2 kills the last night.

Gonzo I hate to say it but you played like crap. You thought you were too essential to die and in the process pretty much outed your entire team but Jvig. The Mafia ran incredibly well after you were lynched because everyone knew their role and were willing to sacrifice themselves in order to better the team. Nappa was the key and you were able to release him earlier if you just sucked it up and took it like a man... YOU WERE A GOON AND YOU PRETTY MUCH DAMNED TBW because you didn't want to die.

The only reason the Mafia won was because of how dumb the town was rushing votes and not listening to the only investigators out there. The Mafia were first playing terribly but the started playing really well at the end to clinch the victory.

Caddy played great. He avoided suspicion all game long. Bulldogs also played great as the most obvious Mafia member ever... yet everyone followed him blindly three times. Lastly APS was actually playing really well and may have actually made it pretty damn close at the end if it wasn't for BD's random lynch call.

[draftguru151]

Well, you, Jvig, and DG got yourselves investigated despite having little to no public suspicion (I actually commended Razor investigating Jvig because I was planning on doing it), and Gonzo and TBW had so much public suspicion, we couldn't investigate them and trust the results to be accurate. Caddy made me think he was a town asset at times.



I'm a higher power level than Radditz and the Saibamen in this game.

Hey I didn't get investigated, Forenci did! I just got boned because of it.

[Grizzlegom]

I agree with pretty much everything IBC said above. I thought Caddy played a great game. When he revealed his role, I really thought someone with DBZ knowledge was going to catch on and be like, WAIT A SECOND, that sounds like he has a scouter and only the Saiyans had scouters so he MUST be evil!

[BeerBaron]

I thought about it, but I thought it could be a case of power level sensing like most characters could do, or it was Bulma's special ability since she acquired a scouter. Didn't think about Radditz needing to be dead first.

That's something that tripped me up from a series knowledge perspective was having all the Saiyans together at once and certain powers needing certain ones to die in order to activate.

[ImBrotherCain]

Well we thought Nappa would a good Goon but he was to strong to do that. So we had to make him powerful and he didn't actually attack until the Saibas were dead so that worked perfectly

I think Juggernaut also fit his build and he did run through everyone before Goku.

[Grizzlegom]

I thought about it, but I thought it could be a case of power level sensing like most characters could do, or it was Bulma's special ability since she acquired a scouter. Didn't think about Radditz needing to be dead first.

That's something that tripped me up from a series knowledge perspective was having all the Saiyans together at once and certain powers needing certain ones to die in order to activate.

Yea, trying to balance that canon and still make it a good mafia game was a juggle. We tried to stick as true to the show as we could but there were definitely some bastardizations. Such is the way of the themed mafias though haha

[BeerBaron]

Just a heads up, sign-up for my Final Fantasy game is up

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52472

I hope to see you there.

[Bulldogs]

High Five Mafia!

[ImBrotherCain]

So I am on episode 77 of the series and all I have to say is ****... The Frieza saga is so boring at times.

The 2 episodes of Goku building the Spirit Bomb and then the random 5-8 Bulma episodes that are just not worth watching.

[BeerBaron]

Yeah, I just skipped that stuff. Mostly filler anyway. I don't know how I ever tolerated it watching it on TV....if Toonami played 1 episode a day each weekday, it would take a year to get about halfway through the Cell saga by my offhand count. **** that.

[ImBrotherCain]

Yeah I know... I figure I just haven't seen the show in probably close to 10 years. So I can deal with the crap for now.

[BeerBaron]

When I first got my DVDs a couple months ago, I watched every minute of every episode.

Anymore I just play certain parts when I'm in the mood.

[D-Unit]

High Five Mafia!
The good guys followed you like sheep. Masterful job Bulldogs.

[Raiderz4Life]

I keep wanting to rewatch the series but IDK if I want to go through the Dragonball part before getting to DBZ.

[BeerBaron]

I keep wanting to rewatch the series but IDK if I want to go through the Dragonball part before getting to DBZ.

It's not totally required. Like I've said before, they show flashbacks in Z to anything you need to know from DB enough to piece it together.

[ImBrotherCain]

I remembered Goku's SS transformation to be a lot more bad ass... I am seriously disappointed.

[Grizzlegom]

I remembered Goku's SS transformation to be a lot more bad ass... I am severely disappointed.

It was triggered by Krillin dying, how badass could that possibly be?

[ImBrotherCain]

I mean he becomes bad ass but I swore it was a much cooler transformation.

[Gay Ork Wang]

i read through the series online from the first tournament till vegeta. it is really fast paced when you read it compared to the anime

[BeerBaron]

i read through the series online from the first tournament till vegeta. it is really fast paced when you read it compared to the anime

That makes sense considering it started off as a manga. The problem with the anime was that it was coming out as the manga was still going, and a fight that takes 20 comic book pages to show might only take 5 minutes in animation....so everything had to be drawn out, and filler material added in.

Still, it was part of my childhood and it's what I'm used to.

[Caddy]

I wasn't allowed to watch television before school (which is when DBZ aired in Aus) so I had to set my VCR to tape it every morning. I remember one week the timer ****** up or something and it didn't record. I cried.

[CDCB14]

I don't mean to intrude.. but easily the most bad ass super saiyan transformation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTC2NOiuk8w

[BeerBaron]

The best part is later when Vegeta shows up, beasts all over 19 and then utters the words in my sig quote.

The whole Android/Cell arc is best for dialogue and badass boasts.

[TitanHope]

I still wanna know why I wasn't killed during the night! Am I not "good enough" to be murdered? Is that it? WELL **** YOU GUYS!

[ImBrotherCain]

They targeted you once. BB just protected you.

[BeerBaron]

I still wanna know why I wasn't killed during the night! Am I not "good enough" to be murdered? Is that it? WELL **** YOU GUYS!

Ha, I didn't bother protecting you either until the end. I thought there had to be another protector out there and since you seem like the more popular forum personality, you'd get his protection.

So I protected Razor.

[ImBrotherCain]

I lied I guess there wasn't an attempt on TH

[BeerBaron]

I bet they avoided him because they thought he would be protected. Blind luck ftw!

[Jvig43]

Yeah we always assumed he was protected so we didn't bother to waste an attack on him.

[TheBoyWonder22]

I'm glad we didn't. He would have been revived and would have proceeded to wipe us out.

[Caddy]

We almost went after TH on the 1st or 2nd night (Gonzo wanted to) but I'm really glad that we didn't. He would have definitely taken out one of our guys on revival.

[TitanHope]

Being thought of as untouchable by both my enemy and ally makes me feel warm and fuzzy. You guys are the sweetest.

Also, what'd ya'll think of my investigatoring? I almost got JBond lynched during the JBond/Gonzo war of 2012 since it would help validate me, but it also took Caddy off my radar when he backed me up on Drew being good. And I feel like I let the team down since I wasn't on to stop the D-Unit and Razor lynchings. But it was my cherry popper, so overall I don't think I did bad. Seems like it's difficult to mess it up anyway.

And I still wish I had known of my revival abilities! :(