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Borat
04-21-2012, 03:50 AM
2012 NFL Draft

Thursday April 26th – Saturday April 28th

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Location: Radio City Music Hall

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Time:
• Round 1: Thursday, April 26 (8 p.m. ET)
• Rounds 2-3: Friday, April 27 (7 p.m. ET)
• Rounds 4-7: Saturday, April 28 (noon ET)

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San Francisco 49ers Selections

Round 1, Pick 30 (#30 Overall)
Round 2, Pick 29 (#61 Overall)
Round 3, Pick 29 (#92 Overall)
Round 4, Pick 30 (#125 Overall)
Round 5, Pick 30 (#165 Overall)
Round 6, Pick 29 (#199 Overall)
Round 7, Pick 30 (#237 Overall)

San Francisco 49ers Team Needs
RG (1)

San Francisco 49ers Depth Needs
CB (1), WR(1), OLB (1), S (1), Fleener(1)


San Francisco 49ers Depth Chart

HC: Jim Harbaugh
OC: Greg Roman
DC: Vic Fangio
ST: Brad Seely

Offense

QB – Smith, Kaepernick, Johnson, Tolzien
RB Gore, Hunter, Dixon, Jacobs, Cartwright
WR – Moss, Crabtree, Manningham, Williams, Swain, Ginn
LT - Staley
LG - Iupati, Chisolm
C – Goodwin, Beeler
RG – Kilgore, Boone
RT - Davis, Person
TE – Davis, Walker, Byham, Reuland
FB - Miller

Defense

DE – Smith, McDonald, Dobbs, Tukuafu
NT – Sopoaga, Jean-Francois, Williams
OLB – Brooks, Smith, Haralson
ILB – Willis, Bowman, Grant, Gooden
CB – Rogers, Brown, Culliver, Brock, Cox , Nelms, Holcomb
SS – Whitner, Spillman
FS - Goldson, Jones

Special Teams

P - Lee
PK - Akers
LS – JENNINGS


OK, enough with the pre-game stuff. Let’s talk draft.

I believe in these guys
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jim+Harbaugh+Trent+Baalke+Jim+Harbaugh+Introduced+ o-ugo96QmCZl.jpg

Their first draft together was outstanding, yielding

This
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/12/20/NFL-Replay-49ers-defense-passes-test-R1O82CN-x-large.jpg

This
http://media.gogamecocks.com/smedia/2012/01/19/18/25/15K7ai.Em.168.jpg

This
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kendall+Hunter+St+Louis+Rams+v+San+Francisco+uyLMH bvnK_Zl.jpg

This
http://www.49ers.com/assets/images/news/2011/04-April/043011-Kilgore-Header.jpg

And this
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/06/47/06/1733031/17/628x471.jpg

Not a bad first haul. And you got this guy waiting in the wings
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Colin+Kaepernick+49ers+Training+Camp+N1N4zdFlFIhl. jpg

Also, I found this
http://www.csnbayarea.com/sportsnetBayArea/thumbnails/Sportsnet_-_Pacific_Associates/865/49/6.7_kaepernick_650MP4_640x360_1979771631.jpg

Notice the hat … and also … the ******* badass ballpark in the background.

I’m sold. If they can put together a similar draft this year, this team will be loaded … with depth. Awesome.

I honestly don’t remember a time where there wasn’t really a need to be filled at the draft. If they think Kilgore is ready, then all 22 spots are filled with viable starters. They can truly go best player available. Again, awesome. Unless they take a kicker, anybody they take can be easily justified. A high upside guy that will be a backup or rotational player is a strong possibility.

So, which player can they take that will provide the most instant impact?

This guy for sure. Immediate red zone target.
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Coby+Fleener+Stanford+v+Oregon+State+k1QJ0y78vz9l. jpg

This guy has crazy upside. But he’s pretty raw.
http://www.chicagonow.com/bearssth/files/2012/02/bears_stephen-hill_wr-624x406.jpg

This guy? Isn’t he like, fat, or something?
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kendall+Wright+Baylor+v+Kansas+State+bywDh2ie3F1l. jpg

Who’s the best player that may fall far enough for the Niners to trade up?

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img17884293.jpg

He’s a badass. All-Pro potential. I want. Also, because this came up on his google image search

http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/72/aa/beauty,fashion,gallery,girl,image,model-72aa31704cc22a8f20358d556028f54d_h.jpg

Outside of trading away a 1st next year, I’m open to trade up ideas to land DeCastro.

There are two other players that I’m overly high on

Brandon Boykin
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/912694/Brandon_Boykin_SEC_Championship_Game_Georgia_jvga8 26REDZl.jpg

http://athenscms.com/oa/zenphoto/cache/091011-Georgia-Southcarolina/091011-ugavusc-rh01_w629_h800_onlineathens.jpg


And Tommy Streeter

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2011/11/12/21/31/1nNqWy.St.56.jpg

I think Boykin can come in immediately and make plays. Streeter will need a little time, but there is so much to work with. I think he and Stephen Hill have the same upside. But you can get Streeter much later in the draft.

And finally, for you Robert Turbin lovers

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2012/03/08/sp-turbin09_PH1_WRE0107122227.jpg

Fap away.

Special Note:

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/yahoo_rice80.jpg

Ness
04-21-2012, 04:16 AM
I don't watch any college football practically, so I only know about the "sexy" prospects. That being said, I how we get a good player in the first round that can help us out right away. A guard would be nice since Snyder and Rachal are gone.

There is one guy I have a good feeling about and wouldn't mind the 49ers taking, and that's Marvin Jones.

The one thing about the draft every single season that people tend to forget is that 90% of these players won't make a huge impact in the NFL.

dan77733
04-21-2012, 11:06 AM
I don't watch any college football practically, so I only know about the "sexy" prospects. That being said, I how we get a good player in the first round that can help us out right away. A guard would be nice since Snyder and Rachal are gone.

There is one guy I have a good feeling about and wouldn't mind the 49ers taking, and that's Marvin Jones.

The one thing about the draft every single season that people tend to forget is that 90% of these players won't make a huge impact in the NFL.

Huh......and I thought that was Free Agents??? :p LOL.

Joking aside, im still hoping for TE Coby Fleener because he adds another weapon on the offense, knows the offense, is a huge redzone target and with Walker being an UFA in a year from now, they should trade him during this year's draft if they draft Fleener.

After Fleener, then im hoping for WR Stephen Hill with an OG third on my wish list. Other draft picks after Fleener/Hill should be an OG (second rounder), CB (third round), WR (fourth round and if Hill or another WR isnt drafted at 30), S (fifth round), DL (sixth round) and an OLB (seventh round).

Those would be my targets in regards to positions but of course, it wouldnt stay that way since we're picking behind 29 other teams. If we get Fleener or Hill at 30, I'll be a happy camper but im hoping for Fleener the most.

49ersfan_87
04-21-2012, 11:16 AM
Solid post. I'd add NT and RB to the list of depth needs though. I don't see Gore and Jacobs on the team in 2013 (and Jacobs isn't a lock to make the team this year either). We have 3 NT's on the team and 2 of them (Sopo, RJF) are UFAs after this year..the 3rd is Ian Williams and he's played like 10-20 snaps at NT. So i wouldn't mind adding another prospect there.

Other than that, i agree with everything.

TaylorMaysBrokeMyHeart
04-21-2012, 01:02 PM
Absolutely agree on Streeter. If we don't draft Hill then Streeter would be a great guy to go after in round 3 or 4.

TaylorMaysBrokeMyHeart
04-21-2012, 01:05 PM
Solid post. I'd add NT and RB to the list of depth needs though. I don't see Gore and Jacobs on the team in 2013 (and Jacobs isn't a lock to make the team this year either). We have 3 NT's on the team and 2 of them (Sopo, RJF) are UFAs after this year..the 3rd is Ian Williams and he's played like 10-20 snaps at NT. So i wouldn't mind adding another prospect there.

Other than that, i agree with everything.


Yeah I think NT will be addressed. Alameda Ta'Amu would be a great guy to add but he may be gone before we pick @ 61. It's funny as soon as Baalke alluded to the fact that he had a guy who he thought would be there @ 30 my first thought was Alameda...I hope I'm wrong however..lol

Shupp
04-21-2012, 02:38 PM
Absolutely agree on Streeter. If we don't draft Hill then Streeter would be a great guy to go after in round 3 or 4.

Streeter in the 4th I'm ok with, in the 3rd...a little rich for my blood..

dan77733
04-21-2012, 05:00 PM
Thinking about it, if Fleener and Hill are both gone at 30, I would try to trade out of the first round and try to acquire an extra first rounder for next year.

Thoughts?

TaylorMaysBrokeMyHeart
04-21-2012, 05:40 PM
Thinking about it, if Fleener and Hill are both gone at 30, I would try to trade out of the first round and try to acquire an extra first rounder for next year.

Thoughts?

I definitely think there's a scenario where that would be the best thing to do. If Hill and Fleener are both off the board it would be interesting to see who slipped to us however. If nobody terribly tempting is left in the scenario where Hill and Fleener are gone I would absolutely try to get out of there. After all, is Zeitler @ 30 better value than Amini or Brandon Brooks @ 61? Probably not.

Would you still look to trade down if Wright was still on the board? What about Dre Kirpatrick?

dan77733
04-21-2012, 09:05 PM
I definitely think there's a scenario where that would be the best thing to do. If Hill and Fleener are both off the board it would be interesting to see who slipped to us however. If nobody terribly tempting is left in the scenario where Hill and Fleener are gone I would absolutely try to get out of there. After all, is Zeitler @ 30 better value than Amini or Brandon Brooks @ 61? Probably not.

Would you still look to trade down if Wright was still on the board? What about Dre Kirpatrick?

Yes, I would still try to trade down. I have no interest in Wright or Kirpatrick for various reasons. CB wise, I wouldnt mind Gilmore at 30 if Fleener and Hill are gone but other than him, I would try my best to trade out of the first round. If a team just wanted to give me their first rounder for 2013 (and especially if its a team like MIA, CLE, etc. who'll most likelt have a top ten draft pick yet again), I would accept it. If a good player was to fall into the middle of second round, I would give up the third rounder to get him. With Moss, Crabtree, Manningham and Williams, any rookie WR would be at best 5th on the DC unless injuries happen or Moss becomes Braylon or something along those lines happens. TE wise, Byham is coming off a season ending injury, Walker is good and I like him but he'll be an UFA in 2013 and could be a starter for several teams in the league. Dont see him staying in SF unless he enjoys being a backup. I think that Fleener as a rookie would already surpass Walker and is a huge redzone target. After Fleener and Hill, I wouldnt mind Gilmore but I think that he'll be long gone by 30. OG wise, I dont think that there would be a huge difference between 30 and 61 so if I could acquire an extra first rounder for 2013, I would take it because those two first rounders would be huge in a year from now as we would hopefully be able to find a RB to replace Gore and a playmaking WR or a NT depending on what happens with Sopoaga and Jean-Francois.

TaylorMaysBrokeMyHeart
04-21-2012, 10:22 PM
Yes, I would still try to trade down. I have no interest in Wright or Kirpatrick for various reasons. CB wise, I wouldnt mind Gilmore at 30 if Fleener and Hill are gone but other than him, I would try my best to trade out of the first round. If a team just wanted to give me their first rounder for 2013 (and especially if its a team like MIA, CLE, etc. who'll most likelt have a top ten draft pick yet again), I would accept it. If a good player was to fall into the middle of second round, I would give up the third rounder to get him. With Moss, Crabtree, Manningham and Williams, any rookie WR would be at best 5th on the DC unless injuries happen or Moss becomes Braylon or something along those lines happens. TE wise, Byham is coming off a season ending injury, Walker is good and I like him but he'll be an UFA in 2013 and could be a starter for several teams in the league. Dont see him staying in SF unless he enjoys being a backup. I think that Fleener as a rookie would already surpass Walker and is a huge redzone target. After Fleener and Hill, I wouldnt mind Gilmore but I think that he'll be long gone by 30. OG wise, I dont think that there would be a huge difference between 30 and 61 so if I could acquire an extra first rounder for 2013, I would take it because those two first rounders would be huge in a year from now as we would hopefully be able to find a RB to replace Gore and a playmaking WR or a NT depending on what happens with Sopoaga and Jean-Francois.

I think any WR drafted in the 1st 2 rounds would most likely easily overtake Williams for the 4th spot on the depth chart. With that being said, I think I would stay at 30 if Kendall Wright was still available. I would not select any other pass catcher @ 30 other than Hill, Fleener, and Wright. Konz and Zeitler are where things get tricky, I'm not the best judge of interior line play, it's very hard to judge their value from highlights...lol

dan77733
04-21-2012, 10:38 PM
I think any WR drafted in the 1st 2 rounds would most likely easily overtake Williams for the 4th spot on the depth chart. With that being said, I think I would stay at 30 if Kendall Wright was still available. I would not select any other pass catcher @ 30 other than Hill, Fleener, and Wright. Konz and Zeitler are where things get tricky, I'm not the best judge of interior line play, it's very hard to judge their value from highlights...lol

Rookie WR could surpass Williams but thats not a guarantee. All depends on how the rookie WR would develop and progress. The reason I have Hill as the only WR is because he's raw and green. Basically, by the time he becomes ready to be a number one WR, Moss (and possibly Manningham and/or Crabtree) will be gone. Hill is a project as would be any WR we draft at 30 but when you look at our depth chart, its Moss, Crabtree, Manningham, Williams, Ginn and Swain. Swain would be the odd man out in my opinion and Moss could always become Braylon part two. Adding those factors along with the fact that a rookie WR may take longer than expected to progress and the positives of Fleener plus Walker being an UFA in 2013, I think that Fleener would be the perfect pick and fit for us. Hill is basically for the future after Moss and possibly others. Either way, im hoping that Baalke/Harbaugh doesnt release Williams. I like him and he's young with plenty of upside and potential. To me, he's a perfect fit as our slot receiver.

hawkeye123
04-22-2012, 01:46 AM
Jared Crick, Omar Bolden, Bobby Wagner, and Ty Hilton are my favorite prospects.

Shupp
04-22-2012, 02:54 AM
Jared Crick, Omar Bolden, Bobby Wagner, and Ty Hilton are my favorite prospects.

I'm really glad you're not the GM

hawkeye123
04-22-2012, 03:26 AM
I'm really glad you're not the GM

I probably wouldn't do that well.

Shupp
04-22-2012, 03:42 AM
I probably wouldn't do that well.

LOL...just joking. I like Crick a little just don't think he's strong enough to play DE in a 3-4

Brent
04-22-2012, 01:53 PM
Thinking about it, if Fleener and Hill are both gone at 30, I would try to trade out of the first round and try to acquire an extra first rounder for next year.

Thoughts?
You don't trade down/out. Teams trade up.

You can't call up another team and ask them to take your pick.

edgrenade
04-22-2012, 02:04 PM
You don't trade down/out. Teams trade up.

You can't call up another team and ask them to take your pick.

This.

I could see someone looking to trade up to grab Doug Martin @ 30

dan77733
04-22-2012, 02:15 PM
You don't trade down/out. Teams trade up.

You can't call up another team and ask them to take your pick.

I know that and you know what I meant.

VAfy-ya
04-22-2012, 02:30 PM
I was just going over my WR list and man, this is a DEEEEEEEP WR class. Cant remember liking so many prospects. We know all about the usual suspects but a ton of guys they aren't getting alot of pub I think could be steals.....

AJ Jenkins
Greg Childs
TJ Graham
Danny Coale
Lance Lewis
DeMarlo Belcher(character concerns)
T.Y. Hilton
Jarius Wright
Kris Burd

Going to be interesting just who we draft at WR and where they're drafted. Also was looking at the safties, as thats aegubaly our thinnest position on the team. Outside of our starters and Spillman, no depth there what so ever. The staff still isnt sure whether Jones is more suited for offense or defense. Nelms is probably headed for the PS again. LeGree seems to be a fringe player so I see a need there for some bodies.

One of the more intriging players I've come across leading up to the draft is Neiko Thorpe. Thorpe played CB for Auburn for 3 years. Had a great sophmore year, so much so alot ppl pegged him as a future top 20 pick. He had a subpar junior year, and then he was asked to moved to FS before last year where he was solid there as a senior. Thorpe has a great size, at 6'3, 200 lbs. He has good speed(4.50 forty) and he reminds me alot of Cully, a guy who switched positions in the secondary before his senior year and didnt wow ppl after the switch but showed our scouts his potential and his versatility. Thorpe could be that FS/CB hybrid type of player I have been talking about for some time now in the discussion thread. Some other safties I like....

Brandon Taylor
Harrison Smith
Markelle Martin
Aaron Henry
Jerrell Young
Trenton Robinson
Trumaine Johnson
Brandon Hardin
Sean Richardson(SS)
Tavon Wilson(SS)
Winston Guy, Jr.(SS)

Brent
04-22-2012, 05:05 PM
I know that and you know what I meant.
If the Niners do not value anyone worthy of the 30th at that stage, what makes you think another team will? Given the rookie wage scale, it's realistic to believe that the Niners will simply draft someone most "experts" have given a 2nd round grade at that time, as there is far less financial risk than years prior.

edgrenade
04-22-2012, 05:52 PM
Scout says Fleener may be most overrated guy in draft

http://m.nbcsports.com/s/3108/proFootballTalkDetails?itemUriVal=6f27ef3e689dad1a 933da986385bda7c%2F101313111122103361088111111114&view=hdl&itemTitle=Scout%20says%20Fleener%20“might%20be%20t he%20most%20overrated%20guy%20in%20the%20draft&%238221;

phlysac
04-22-2012, 09:54 PM
DeMarlo Belcher(character concerns)

I was REALLY intrigued by Belcher as a late-round gem...



and then he ran a 4.73 at his Pro-Day.

dan77733
04-22-2012, 09:59 PM
If the Niners do not value anyone worthy of the 30th at that stage, what makes you think another team will? Given the rookie wage scale, it's realistic to believe that the Niners will simply draft someone most "experts" have given a 2nd round grade at that time, as there is far less financial risk than years prior.

Because another team may want a player who plays a position that we dont need to waste a draft pick on and thus, want to trade up.

Scout says Fleener may be most overrated guy in draft

http://m.nbcsports.com/s/3108/proFootballTalkDetails?itemUriVal=6f27ef3e689dad1a 933da986385bda7c%2F101313111122103361088111111114&view=hdl&itemTitle=Scout%20says%20Fleener%20“might%20be%20t he%20most%20overrated%20guy%20in%20the%20draft&%238221;

I read that and dont care what that scout says. Its all bullcrap. The scout most likely works for a team that wants Fleener and thus, bashes him. I want Fleener!!!

VAfy-ya
04-22-2012, 10:13 PM
I was REALLY intrigued by Belcher as a late-round gem...



and then he ran a 4.73 at his Pro-Day.


Meh, he's faster than that. But he wasnt in the best shape at his Pro Day from the reports I read. I remember reading on the Hoosier board that he clocked 4.4 flat during the spring one year. I think thats more of what kind of speed I saw when I watched him play. But when you get kicked off the team and you have months to prepare for your Pro Day and you still dont prepare, thats where the character concerns come into play. Dez Bryant and Perrish Cox had similar disatrous workouts after being kicked off their respective teams and still wound up erasing concerns about their perceived "lack of foot speed". Belcher could do the same. But it wouldnt shock me if he didnt get drafted. I just think he has some upside which teams should consider.

phlysac
04-23-2012, 12:04 AM
Meh, he's faster than that. But he wasnt in the best shape at his Pro Day from the reports I read. I remember reading on the Hoosier board that he clocked 4.4 flat during the spring one year. I think thats more of what kind of speed I saw when I watched him play. But when you get kicked off the team and you have months to prepare for your Pro Day and you still dont prepare, thats where the character concerns come into play. Dez Bryant and Perrish Cox had similar disatrous workouts after being kicked off their respective teams and still wound up erasing concerns about their perceived "lack of foot speed". Belcher could do the same. But it wouldnt shock me if he didnt get drafted. I just think he has some upside which teams should consider.

You're still comparing 4.5's with 4.7's.


The player I saw similarly that I don't have as many fears about is Arizona State's Gerell Robinson...

dn8e1sj-Ahg

edgrenade
04-23-2012, 01:22 AM
I thought that Robinson looked good at the Senior Bowl. He another big-bodied WR

Borat
04-23-2012, 01:25 AM
Just watch.

FQWcNjPdREA

VAfy-ya
04-23-2012, 11:37 AM
You're still comparing 4.5's with 4.7's.


The player I saw similarly that I don't have as many fears about is Arizona State's Gerell Robinson...

dn8e1sj-Ahg

No, I believe Cox ran a 4.6 or something like that. Cant really remember. Not a big Robinson fan. He's looks lethargic out of his breaks in real time. Didnt see any 'suddeness' when I watched him. Looks more like a possession WR to me.

Madirishman
04-23-2012, 12:41 PM
Just watch.

FQWcNjPdREA

Love his upside if he falls to us in the second.

dan77733
04-23-2012, 02:14 PM
If Boykin, Hill, Fleener, etc. falls into the 2nd round, I think that its pretty much a guarantee that we'll have to move up to get any of them.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-23-2012, 04:28 PM
Barrows and Maiocco released their 7 round 49ers mock drafts. Here's Barrows:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/04/mock-mock-whos-there-a-wideout-at-pick-no-30.html

30. Stephen Hill
61. Chris Polk, RB
92. Brandon Hardin, S
125. Akiem Hicks, DE
165. Miles Burris, LB
199. Jeff Adams, OT
237. Barrows didn't list a player but thinks it will be small school CB.

He brought up on his twitter feed a swap between the 49ers and Jaguars of picks 30 for 38+filler (trade chart says a 4th rounder). I still don't think they will take a RB that high and my gut feeling is they will jump up near the top of round 2 to take someone like Jenkins or a guard.

Maiocco's mock draft
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-seven-round-mock-draft?blockID=694952&feedID=5936

30. Kevin Zeitler
61. Derek Wolfe, DT
92. Bernard Pierce, RB
125. Tommy Streeter, WR
165. Miles Burris, OLB
199. Duke Ihenacho, SS
237. Chris Owusu, WR

Aside from Zeitler at the top like Maiocco's mock draft. Burris only player to pop up in both mock drafts. List of players that just missed the cut from Maiocco's mock draft:

CBs: Jenkins, Dennard, Trumaine Johnson
WRs: Joe Adams
RB: Turbin
LBs: Wagner, Irvin
S: Jordan Bernstine
OL: Brooks, Slowey

jojo
04-23-2012, 04:36 PM
This is the local player-intensive pick list:

30. Kevin Zeitler
61. Derek Wolfe, DT
92. Bernard Pierce, RB
125. Tommy Streeter, WR
165. Miles Burris, OLB
199. Duke Ihenacho, SS - San Jose St, will be only SJSU player drafted
237. Chris Owusu, WR - Stanford KR/WR, may not play anymore due to multiple concussions

CBs: Jenkins (ironic how nobody loves Janoris anymore), Dennard, Trumaine Johnson - Montana Div.II-A player also local, from Stockton. I love him, he's real-deal later-rd. value & DB depth IMO. I'm very sorry he told reporters "I grew up a Raiders fan."

VAfy-ya
04-23-2012, 06:25 PM
I really like Burris as well. His athleticism is being underated by alot of draft ppl. He should be a outstanding ST guy off the bat and he could develop into a excellent TED in the 3-4 or Mike in a 4-3. Wouldn't mind seeing him in a Niner uni at all.

dan77733
04-23-2012, 07:08 PM
Does Barrows or Maiocco think that if Fleener is on the board at 30, the 49ers will pass on him?

VAfy-ya
04-23-2012, 07:54 PM
Does Barrows or Maiocco think that if Fleener is on the board at 30, the 49ers will pass on him?

Yes, and I do too. Im starting to think Fleener goes before 30. But even if he is still on the board, I just see Baalke going another direction. Call it hunch if you will. I just dont think Fleener's impact in this offense would be significant enough to warrant a top 30 selection. And even though I dont want another first round OG, Im starting to warm up to the idea of Zeiter or Glenn at 30, though I think Zeiter is the better fit in this WCO.

I actually like MM's mock. Its looks like a Baalke draft....none of the picks are sexy, but they make absolute sense. But I dont see Streeter lasting until the 4th. Wouldnt surprise me if he went in the second. Love that Barrows picked Hardin. Think that kid could be a huge sleeper if his medical checks out. Wolfe is a intresting idea in the 2nd. Lot of possibilities. In Baalk, we trust....

Madirishman
04-23-2012, 09:25 PM
Yes, in Harbaalke we trust.

I trust their judgement over beat writers and analysts perceptions.

Bring on the Draft!

edgrenade
04-24-2012, 03:09 AM
I really like Burris as well. His athleticism is being underated by alot of draft ppl. He should be a outstanding ST guy off the bat and he could develop into a excellent TED in the 3-4 or Mike in a 4-3. Wouldn't mind seeing him in a Niner uni at all.

I'm a big fan too. I think he would be an excellent 3-4 ILB, and he can be had around the 5th.

Really good at ST too

chapo123
04-24-2012, 09:32 AM
last updated mock draft:

1. stephen hill - wr

2. janoris jenkins - cb

3. derek wolfe - de/olb

4. robert turbin - rb

5. joe looney - g

6. gino gradkowski - c

7. blake giddeon - fs

last 3 picks ( 5-7 ) from what i've read are sleepers

jojo
04-24-2012, 10:03 AM
Before I forget big kudos & thanks to Borat for the pics in the opening post.

1. stephen hill - wr

2. janoris jenkins - cb

3. derek wolfe - de/olb

4. robert turbin - rb

5. joe looney - g

6. gino gradkowski - c

7. blake giddeon - fs

Really really liking Stephen Hill the closer Thursday comes, he's the beneficiary of Alshon Jeffrey & Kendall Wright (are they both "fat"? who knew?) dropping in the estimation of teams.

I don't see the primo OG filling the primary need so either Looney or Gradkowski has to make the squad. Chilo Rachal has to go.

H.O.O.D
04-24-2012, 10:11 AM
last updated mock draft:

1. stephen hill - wr

2. janoris jenkins - cb

3. derek wolfe - de/olb

4. robert turbin - rb

5. joe looney - g

6. gino gradkowski - c

7. blake giddeon - fs

last 3 picks ( 5-7 ) from what i've read are sleepers

Wolfe would be a 5 technique not a DE/OLB. I know his weight has fluctuated but just don't see any team asking him to drop 20-30 pounds to play 3-4 OLB.

I don't see the primo OG filling the primary need so either Looney or Gradkowski has to make the squad. Chilo Rachal has to go.

Chilo is gone. He signed with Da Bears.

jojo
04-24-2012, 10:53 AM
Chilo is gone. He signed with Da Bears.

:beers: Happy happy -- Joy joy! He's Lovie's problem now

H.O.O.D
04-24-2012, 11:13 AM
via Tony Pauline :

Last week we alerted readers the San Francisco 49ers pick in the first round will come down to the highest rated guard or receiver Stephen Hill. Several sources told us last night the guard the team has its sights on is Amini Silatolu of Midwestern State, and the franchise will not hesitate to pull the trigger on the small school prospect in round one.

VAfy-ya
04-24-2012, 11:26 AM
via Tony Pauline :

Yea, I read that on the .com boards and it reeks of a smoke screen....not buying it. No info leaked the last two years about our first round preferences. Just too convient. We brought him in and our O-Line coaches worked him out and I think thats where the angle is coming from.

dan77733
04-24-2012, 12:14 PM
Yes, and I do too. Im starting to think Fleener goes before 30. But even if he is still on the board, I just see Baalke going another direction. Call it hunch if you will. I just dont think Fleener's impact in this offense would be significant enough to warrant a top 30 selection. And even though I dont want another first round OG, Im starting to warm up to the idea of Zeiter or Glenn at 30, though I think Zeiter is the better fit in this WCO.

I actually like MM's mock. Its looks like a Baalke draft....none of the picks are sexy, but they make absolute sense. But I dont see Streeter lasting until the 4th. Wouldnt surprise me if he went in the second. Love that Barrows picked Hardin. Think that kid could be a huge sleeper if his medical checks out. Wolfe is a intresting idea in the 2nd. Lot of possibilities. In Baalk, we trust....

If Fleener is there at 30, I'll be pissed if we pass on him because he's exactly the type of weapon the offense needs and already knows the offense. He's a Jimmy Graham type and with VD, an awesome TE combination. I dont see any WR who gets drafted at 30 making any kind of impact for at least two years, if that. Fleener would make a far greater impact than any WR would for us. As for OG, if Fleener and Hill are gone by 30, then I wouldnt be pissed, not happy but not pissed either. Of course, im hoping that if Fleener and Hill are gone, another team will want to trade up with us so we can get an extra first rounder next year.

H.O.O.D
04-24-2012, 12:49 PM
Yea, I read that on the .com boards and it reeks of a smoke screen....not buying it. No info leaked the last two years about our first round preferences. Just too convient. We brought him in and our O-Line coaches worked him out and I think thats where the angle is coming from.

Just because info did not leak last year doesn't mean it can't leak this year.

If Fleener is there at 30, I'll be pissed if we pass on him because he's exactly the type of weapon the offense needs and already knows the offense. He's a Jimmy Graham type and with VD, an awesome TE combination. I dont see any WR who gets drafted at 30 making any kind of impact for at least two years, if that. Fleener would make a far greater impact than any WR would for us. As for OG, if Fleener and Hill are gone by 30, then I wouldnt be pissed, not happy but not pissed either. Of course, im hoping that if Fleener and Hill are gone, another team will want to trade up with us so we can get an extra first rounder next year.

If we pass on him for another player or prospect, maybe just maybe he is not the highest rated player on our board when we are OTC. Maybe this staff sees him as a 2nd round value, or doesn't value him as much as some other players. Just because of the familiarity with JH and the offense and because some experts and analysts are of the mind set that Fleener could go in round one does not mean out staff is going to be or has to be on that same page.

Jim Harbaugh does not have to grade Fleener as a good value at 30. If he feels Fleeners value is lower than that and we don't take him or attempt to move down a little from 30 or up from our 2nd round pick to land him so be it.

I wouldn't hate Fleener at 30, but your expectations are not realistic IMHO, and you may be setting yourself to be extremely disappointed Thursday night.

farfromforgotten
04-24-2012, 02:07 PM
last updated mock draft:

1. stephen hill - wr

2. janoris jenkins - cb

3. derek wolfe - de/olb

4. robert turbin - rb

5. joe looney - g

6. gino gradkowski - c

7. blake giddeon - fs

last 3 picks ( 5-7 ) from what i've read are sleepers

Can't complain about the 1st 4 rounds. I think Jenkins falls to the 2nd rd, but I think he is too talented to last past the middle of the 2nd. I think he'll be gone early 2nd. Wolfe could be gone as well, but I think there's a better chance of getting him late 3rd than getting Jenkins late 2nd.

Not familiar with the last 3 picks.

farfromforgotten
04-24-2012, 02:11 PM
Yea, I read that on the .com boards and it reeks of a smoke screen....not buying it. No info leaked the last two years about our first round preferences. Just too convient. We brought him in and our O-Line coaches worked him out and I think thats where the angle is coming from.

I don't know if anything got out or not, but I could definitely see him being the pick.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-24-2012, 02:12 PM
From Maiocco's chat today, re: Janoris Jenkins
At noon, I'll be writing about it. Spoiler alert: A source told me that the 49ers interviewed him at the Senior Bow, the combine and placed a call to him recently.

Wonder if he was shuffled in for a secret workout.

VAfy-ya
04-24-2012, 02:56 PM
Smh....I REALLY hope Jenkins isnt on our radar. Cox is enough of a potential problem. What are we the new Bengals? Leave these knuckleheads for someone else. I can understand one incident on kids resume. Being arrested 3 times before your 22nd birthday is just too much for me. Seriously....don't do it.

@H.O.O.D

My point in saying that was one of the things I took out of last years draft was the fact that Baalke was almost glowing about the fact that no one knew the guys we were targeting. He took great pride in that. I think Jimbaugh as well, they both dont want to give anyone a inkling of what they're thinking, who they're liking. All that insider stuff, a "close source", I never pay attention to that kind of stuff. I understand your just giving us info, as we're all gasping at straws here but I just really look at that kind of stuff as hersay and gossip. It makes for interesting dialouge among fans but until someone is actually correct on one of these insider slant peices, I'll take a wait and see approach.

jojo
04-24-2012, 04:16 PM
Im starting to think Fleener goes before 30.

Me too. Not a lot the team can do about that. He's a Graham-type TE & the best at his position in this draft.

TE is the one offensive slot that has exponentially increased in value & have been taken earlier & more frequently. They mave not have that option, go for OG

VAfy-ya
04-24-2012, 04:53 PM
I think my man crush on Marvin Jones is well known around here but the kid just sounds like a kid he gets it.....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/24/SP5P1O7RLA.DTL

Brent
04-24-2012, 04:56 PM
Smh....I REALLY hope Jenkins isnt on our radar. Cox is enough of a potential problem. What are we the new Bengals? Leave these knuckleheads for someone else. I can understand one incident on kids resume. Being arrested 3 times before your 22nd birthday is just too much for me. Seriously....don't do it.

A bar fight and two for possession of weed. I think with the leadership on defense, it wouldn't be a shocking pick if the team is comfortable with what they've seen from him.

VAfy-ya
04-24-2012, 05:03 PM
A bar fight and two for possession of weed. I think with the leadership on defense, it wouldn't be a shocking pick if the team is comfortable with what they've seen from him.


I dont care what it was, I've never heard of a prospect being aressted 3 times. I'd rather have Gilmore or Boykin.

dan77733
04-24-2012, 05:51 PM
If we pass on him for another player or prospect, maybe just maybe he is not the highest rated player on our board when we are OTC. Maybe this staff sees him as a 2nd round value, or doesn't value him as much as some other players. Just because of the familiarity with JH and the offense and because some experts and analysts are of the mind set that Fleener could go in round one does not mean out staff is going to be or has to be on that same page.

Jim Harbaugh does not have to grade Fleener as a good value at 30. If he feels Fleeners value is lower than that and we don't take him or attempt to move down a little from 30 or up from our 2nd round pick to land him so be it.

I wouldn't hate Fleener at 30, but your expectations are not realistic IMHO, and you may be setting yourself to be extremely disappointed Thursday night.

I'm sure that Fleener isnt the highest rated player on the board but by the time its our pick, he most likely will be or should be. I do think that Fleener will be gone before 30 but if he's not, he's the best pick for us at 30. We need offense and there's no other player who'll make the same kind of impact. Hill is second on my list but I wouldnt choose him over Fleener for various reasons. I have seen highlights of Fleener including him blocking and to me, he's the best option at 30 if he's there. An OG is a bigger need but an OG you can find in mid rounds, a Jimmy Graham type TE who'll add a lot more to our offense is far more valuable.

You say that you wouldnt hate Fleener at 30 but obviously, im assuming you prefer someone else. Who would that be? I think my expectations are very realistic because when you look at the options on paper, Fleener is easily the best option. A rookie WR isnt going to help us NOW.....I want an offensive weapon who'll help us NOW.....not two years from now. If we draft Fleener, Hill, an OG or trade out of the first round (in that order), I'll be disappointed that we didnt draft the guy I wanted but I'll be happy because at least its not a defensive player. I'll be pissed if Fleener, Hill or an OG is available at 30 and we go defense. We NEED offense, not defense. Fleener is the best option for our offense and should help improve it easily and far more than any rookie WR would.

Oh well, two more days to go and we'll see.

Ness
04-24-2012, 06:35 PM
I think my man crush on Marvin Jones is well known around here but the kid just sounds like a kid he gets it.....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/24/SP5P1O7RLA.DTL
I hope we get Mr. Jones.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-24-2012, 07:00 PM
A bar fight and two for possession of weed. I think with the leadership on defense, it wouldn't be a shocking pick if the team is comfortable with what they've seen from him.

It would be similar to what his brother did last draft when the Ravens took Jimmy Smith, who (among other things) failed 3 drug tests and had an arrest.

Madirishman
04-24-2012, 08:07 PM
Jenkins did look very good at the Combine workouts against other elite players at his position. It's a risk, but so is Hill, who I'm still leaning toward more so than Fleener. Fleener has skills and is the best in a position that is shallow in talent this year, but he's no Graham-type of prospect like jojo was suggesting.

49ersfan_87
04-24-2012, 09:14 PM
So here's my mock. Let me know what you think

R1- Doug Martin, RB
R2- Chris Givens, WR
R3- Brandon Hardin, S
R4- Brandon Washington, OG
R5- Miles Burris, OLB
R6- Nicholas Jean-Baptise, NT
R7- Coty Sensabaugh, CB

UDFA's

-Chris Owosu, WR
-Jason Slowey, C
-Jordan Bernstine, S

For pick 30, i think we like Stephen Hill, Doug Martin, and Amini Solatalu. Janoris Jenkins and Fleener also seem to be options. I also personally like AJ Jenkins, and he's poised to go mid-round 2. Getting him at 30 would be a slight reach but worth it IMO.

I think if all these prospects are at 30..Hill would be the pick. But i expect Hill to go before 30.

VAfy-ya
04-24-2012, 09:26 PM
It would be similar to what his brother did last draft when the Ravens took Jimmy Smith, who (among other things) failed 3 drug tests and had an arrest.

Failing drug tests is bad(Smith's drug of choice was codeine) but I can overlook that to some extent. Brooks failed two at UVA. They said Manningham failed at least 4 at Michigan. Some athletes do it and I understand that. But to be dumb enough to get arrested for it TWICE just boggles my mind. I know ppl that have been blazing for years.....I mean decades. Never been arrested or so much as cited. I just think you have to be a complete dumb ass to get busted for weed twice in the span of 18 months.

VAfy-ya
04-24-2012, 09:38 PM
So here's my mock. Let me know what you think

R1- Doug Martin, RB
R2- Chris Givens, WR
R3- Brandon Hardin, S
R4- Brandon Washington, OG
R5- Miles Burris, OLB
R6- Nicholas Jean-Baptise, NT
R7- Coty Sensabaugh, CB

UDFA's

-Chris Owosu, WR
-Jason Slowey, C
-Jordan Bernstine, S

For pick 30, i think we like Stephen Hill, Doug Martin, and Amini Solatalu. Janoris Jenkins and Fleener also seem to be options. I also personally like AJ Jenkins, and he's poised to go mid-round 2. Getting him at 30 would be a slight reach but worth it IMO.

I think if all these prospects are at 30..Hill would be the pick. But i expect Hill to go before 30.

Everything I could live with except Givens. I think he's gonna be Arnaz Battle at the next level. Solid guy but not a real threat on the outside. I was never overly impressed the times when I watched him play at Wake. And I think the 2nd is a bit of a reach for him but who knows. Love the Jean-Baptise pick. He's not a guy being talked about alot but has definte potential.

49ersfan_87
04-24-2012, 10:30 PM
Everything I could live with except Givens. I think he's gonna be Arnaz Battle at the next level. Solid guy but not a real threat on the outside. I was never overly impressed the times when I watched him play at Wake. And I think the 2nd is a bit of a reach for him but who knows. Love the Jean-Baptise pick. He's not a guy being talked about alot but has definte potential.

Thanks for the feedback. I put Givens there because i heard Cosell raving about him earlier. I would ideally want AJ Jenkins in the 2nd but i think he's going to go top 50. Maybe Marvin Jones is another option at 61.

Msclemons67
04-25-2012, 12:27 AM
I'll toss out some nonsense from an old guy who doesn't know much.

1) Zeitler
2) Derek Wolfe
3) Marvin Jones

Am I somewhat reasonable or a complete moron?

Ness
04-25-2012, 12:27 AM
I'll toss out some nonsense from an old guy who doesn't know much.

1) Zeitler
2) Derek Wolfe
3) Marvin Jones

Am I somewhat reasonable or a complete moron?

That would be good pickups.

Shupp
04-25-2012, 12:28 AM
I'll toss out some nonsense from an old guy who doesn't know much.

1) Zeitler
2) Derek Wolfe
3) Marvin Jones

Am I somewhat reasonable or a complete moron?

You may be a complete moron but not because of these picks.

Msclemons67
04-25-2012, 01:03 AM
You may be a complete moron but not because of these picks.

I appreciate your support (I think).

VAfy-ya
04-25-2012, 06:31 AM
Thanks for the feedback. I put Givens there because i heard Cosell raving about him earlier. I would ideally want AJ Jenkins in the 2nd but i think he's going to go top 50. Maybe Marvin Jones is another option at 61.

Dont put too much stock into anything Cosell says. He also said All-Done was a bad pick last year because he wouldnt be a great pass-rusher at the next level. He's a guy who watches a ton of film and thinks he's this guru all of sudden. He's no talent evaluator.

Madirishman
04-25-2012, 11:03 AM
Yesterday, I wasn't quite sold on Fleener. Today, I'm feeling much better about him or an O-Lineman at 30 as the WR position is strong and very deep this year and I believe the Niners could get another productive or developmental WR in the middle/later rounds. CB is also pretty deep in the middle rounds as well.

If it's a "surprise" pick like many of us believe, I think that it will be a pass rushing OLB or a Safety.

EDIT:
And on cue, Maiocco make the case to wait on WR after Round 1 on today's blog entry:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-should-address-receiver-after-firs?blockID=696262&feedID=5936

Ness
04-25-2012, 12:02 PM
Dont put too much stock into anything Cosell says. He also said All-Done was a bad pick last year because he wouldnt be a great pass-rusher at the next level. He's a guy who watches a ton of film and thinks he's this guru all of sudden. He's no talent evaluator.

Did he say that on his blog about Aldon? I'd be interested in reading his write up.

H.O.O.D
04-25-2012, 12:17 PM
I'm sure that Fleener isnt the highest rated player on the board but by the time its our pick, he most likely will be or should be. I do think that Fleener will be gone before 30 but if he's not, he's the best pick for us at 30. We need offense and there's no other player who'll make the same kind of impact. Hill is second on my list but I wouldnt choose him over Fleener for various reasons. I have seen highlights of Fleener including him blocking and to me, he's the best option at 30 if he's there. An OG is a bigger need but an OG you can find in mid rounds, a Jimmy Graham type TE who'll add a lot more to our offense is far more valuable.

You say that you wouldnt hate Fleener at 30 but obviously, im assuming you prefer someone else. Who would that be? I think my expectations are very realistic because when you look at the options on paper, Fleener is easily the best option. A rookie WR isnt going to help us NOW.....I want an offensive weapon who'll help us NOW.....not two years from now. If we draft Fleener, Hill, an OG or trade out of the first round (in that order), I'll be disappointed that we didnt draft the guy I wanted but I'll be happy because at least its not a defensive player. I'll be pissed if Fleener, Hill or an OG is available at 30 and we go defense. We NEED offense, not defense. Fleener is the best option for our offense and should help improve it easily and far more than any rookie WR would.

Oh well, two more days to go and we'll see.

You don't know if a rookie WR can help us now or not. Every player adapts at their own rate. Just because he (Fleener) has an understanding of the offense doesn't mean he will quickly adapt to the bigger stronger faster and smarter defenders and defenses at the pro level. And his biggest weakness his blocking is a real concern when it comes to impact and playing time as a rookie. Fleener still would have to earn that PT, and his blocking may prevent him from seeing the field or seeing much if any PT in 2 TE sets. He could be limited to three TE sets and obvious passing situations only IF that.

You expectations are unrealistic because :

1- You are assuming that we have him ranked as a prospect in that 30 range, but for all you know he isn't viewed that high.

2- You keep saying Jimmy Graham, however Jimmy didn't really come one until this year...in his rookie year he flashed yes, but never truly IMPACTED as a rookie.

3- A defensive player can help us now, just as an offensive player in the 2nd or 3rd or even later rounds can. Just looking at WR's : Greg Little, Desean Jackson, Mike Williams, Johnny Knox, Greg Jennings and Mohamed Massaquoi are a few guys that had an impact on their respective teams as rookies. They may not have had ROTY type campaigns, but they were able to help their teams.

We lack depth at pass rush (and you can never have too many pass rushers), and could use competition at corner. And if a guy like Poe falls to 30, I'd think we would have to give consideration, maybe even consider moving up at some point if he fell past 20 to try and get him. We are in the 2nd year of this regime, and should be drafting the BPA for this team going forward and not the player who will make the biggest impact this year. This team is not in "must win now" mode.

I don't prefer any one player in particular, there are a number of guys who I would be OK with. I'm not rooting for any one guy, moreso I am rooting for us to not take certain guys at 30 ie Zeitler, Jeffery, B.Thompson, Brockers, J.Jenkins, Still etc.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-25-2012, 01:14 PM
Did he say that on his blog about Aldon? I'd be interested in reading his write up.

http://www.examiner.com/article/cosell-offers-up-pros-and-cons-on-aldon-smith#ixzz1t4qHW3Px

The concern with me (about Smith) is that he has the tendency to play too upright and if you do that in the NFL you get driven out because it's not college football, (in the NFL) you're playing against men. He's going to have to work on that. If he loses leverage he will not be able to use any of his athleticsm or power because he'll just be driven out (away from the play) as a stand up guy."

Cosell agreed, adding that "a lot of his sacks (in college) came from the inside, when he beat guards, and not that many came from the outside."

"People look at his size - height, weight and all of that - and just assume he's an outside backer," said Cosell, who added that you really need to look at all the tape on Smith in order to get an accurate gauge on his ability.


My favorite take was from Dave Razzano
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2012/04/24/revisiting-the-2011-mock-drafts-and-aldon-smiths-surprise-selection/

* Dave Razzano, Bleacher Report (he rated Smith as second most overrated player behind Cam Newton): “To me this is a tweener type player. Meaning he lacks strength to play on the line or movement in space. Underwhelming as a pass rusher as well. The question remains where do you play this guy?”

dan77733
04-25-2012, 01:55 PM
You don't know if a rookie WR can help us now or not. Every player adapts at their own rate. Just because he (Fleener) has an understanding of the offense doesn't mean he will quickly adapt to the bigger stronger faster and smarter defenders and defenses at the pro level. And his biggest weakness his blocking is a real concern when it comes to impact and playing time as a rookie. Fleener still would have to earn that PT, and his blocking may prevent him from seeing the field or seeing much if any PT in 2 TE sets. He could be limited to three TE sets and obvious passing situations only IF that.

You expectations are unrealistic because :

1- You are assuming that we have him ranked as a prospect in that 30 range, but for all you know he isn't viewed that high.

2- You keep saying Jimmy Graham, however Jimmy didn't really come one until this year...in his rookie year he flashed yes, but never truly IMPACTED as a rookie.

3- A defensive player can help us now, just as an offensive player in the 2nd or 3rd or even later rounds can. Just looking at WR's : Greg Little, Desean Jackson, Mike Williams, Johnny Knox, Greg Jennings and Mohamed Massaquoi are a few guys that had an impact on their respective teams as rookies. They may not have had ROTY type campaigns, but they were able to help their teams.

We lack depth at pass rush (and you can never have too many pass rushers), and could use competition at corner. And if a guy like Poe falls to 30, I'd think we would have to give consideration, maybe even consider moving up at some point if he fell past 20 to try and get him. We are in the 2nd year of this regime, and should be drafting the BPA for this team going forward and not the player who will make the biggest impact this year. This team is not in "must win now" mode.

I don't prefer any one player in particular, there are a number of guys who I would be OK with. I'm not rooting for any one guy, moreso I am rooting for us to not take certain guys at 30 ie Zeitler, Jeffery, B.Thompson, Brockers, J.Jenkins, Still etc.

Receivers normally take a few years to adapt to the NFL unless its an elite Calvin Johnson, A.J. Green type receiver.

I said that by the time its our turn, Fleener could be the highest player available since others are already gone.

Agree with Graham but huge difference, Fleener has Vernon Davis in front of him to learn from even more which is why I think that he'll make an impact. I still believe that he would make a bigger impact than any of our receivers and Walker. As for his blocking, people say he's weak in that area, I have seen some plays with him blocking and every one had him pushing away the defender with ease.

I dont think that a defensive player is needed at 30. Our defense is one of the best overall, our offense sucks. Common sense tells me to build the offense and make it better. We do need some depth on defense but a backup safety and a DL can be taken in other rounds. None of them would start anyway so whats the point?

Pass rushers? We have Smith, Brooks and Haralson. Drafting an OLB in the first three rounds is a bigger waste than those who say the same thing about Fleener at 30. An OLB on Saturday for special teams is all thats needed. ILB is set with Willis, Bowman, Grant and Gooden. CB is set with Brown, Rogers, Culliver and Brock. I would still draft a CB between rounds 1-3 but it depends on who's there and who's available at more needed positions. QB and RB are also set.

RG is our biggest need but I wouldnt draft any OG over Fleener or Hill. If they're both gone, then I would rather have the OG instead of a defensive player. Its a passing league and its becoming that way more and more. We have the running game and defense and special teams but our passing offense sucks. We need weapons. I would love Fleener and Hill but thats not going to happen. I prefer Fleener over Hill for various reasons but would be happy with Hill if Fleener is gone.

Oh well, Less than 30 hours and we'll see what happens.

VAfy-ya
04-25-2012, 02:05 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/cosell-offers-up-pros-and-cons-on-aldon-smith#ixzz1t4qHW3Px



My favorite take was from Dave Razzano
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2012/04/24/revisiting-the-2011-mock-drafts-and-aldon-smiths-surprise-selection/

Ah yes....thanx WWBBD. The two players he had as overated had arguably the biggest impact of all rookies on offense and defense. The guy is a joke.

VAfy-ya
04-25-2012, 02:07 PM
@H.O.O.D

Im interested in knowing why you dont want Zeitler....is it the position or the player?

H.O.O.D
04-25-2012, 02:54 PM
@H.O.O.D

Im interested in knowing why you dont want Zeitler....is it the position or the player?

player. good player, solid starter for 10 years. but not a great player imo and would be better value on a trade back or we could wait until 2nd/3rd to address rg and still get a solid interior lineman. think there should be better prospects still on the board at 30.

VAfy-ya
04-25-2012, 05:22 PM
player. good player, solid starter for 10 years. but not a great player imo and would be better value on a trade back or we could wait until 2nd/3rd to address rg and still get a solid interior lineman. think there should be better prospects still on the board at 30.

Agreed. I always believe 1st rounders should yield you immense talent. I understand sometimes need outweighs talent for some but I think thats where teams make mistakes. I really wanted Iupati and I NEVER want OG's in the first, and especially not that early. But I thought he was the most talented OG since Hutchinson and he warranted the pick because of it. I dont see Zeitler in that regard so I was vehemetly against him at first. Now Im not so against it because I think he'll be a solid pro like you stated. But I hope they do go in another direction.

Madirishman
04-25-2012, 06:27 PM
Yes, first rounders should be talent, not depth or need. Upside is ok, but some talent needs to be there.

Talent = Iupati

Need = Anthony Davis
Need = Kentwan Balmer
Need = Alex Smith

Talent + Need = Patrick Willis
Talent + Need = Michael Crabtree

Shupp
04-25-2012, 07:00 PM
Exactly 24 hours to go and I'm hearing the name Kevin Zeitler more and more.....

TaylorMaysBrokeMyHeart
04-25-2012, 07:10 PM
Exactly 24 hours to go and I'm hearing the name Kevin Zeitler more and more.....


I think we have narrowed it down pretty well. Most likely either OG, WR, or TE with long shots of DL, RB, and CB.I would guess the chance of each position being the pick at #30 would be:

OG: 35%
WR: 25%
TE: 15%
Other: 25%

I'm starting to think that Doug Martin is a distinct possibility, if I had to name the top 5 most likely players to have their name called at # 30 it would be:
1) Zeitler
2) Hill
3) Fleener
4) Konz
5a) Martin
5b) Wright

-Couldn't keep it to 5 I guess...oops.

Shupp
04-25-2012, 07:17 PM
I have a feeling some DL will slip and it will be really hard not to take him, ie Michael Brockers, Dontari Poe...

phlysac
04-25-2012, 07:21 PM
This is the rumor that's weirding me out...

Mike Lombardi also reported that there is a team "in love" with Bruce Irvin, and "they told him they're gonna take him in the 1st round."

Shupp
04-25-2012, 07:24 PM
This is the rumor that's weirding me out...

Mike Lombardi also reported that there is a team "in love" with Bruce Irvin, and "they told him they're gonna take him in the 1st round."

Oh please, please, no!!! It's the Pats right? Or Giants? Anybody? Bueller, Bueller? Anybody...?

farfromforgotten
04-25-2012, 07:32 PM
I have a feeling some DL will slip and it will be really hard not to take him, ie Michael Brockers, Dontari Poe...

DL is my dark horse feeling as well. I expect G or WR, but wouldn't be shocked if it happens to be a D-Lineman when all is said and done. Guess we'll find out just how wrong most of us are soon enough!

edgrenade
04-25-2012, 07:39 PM
I've gotten to the point where Baalke has earned my trust, and I will be happy with any pick that he takes.

IN BAALKE WE TRUST!!!

Brent
04-25-2012, 08:15 PM
This is the rumor that's weirding me out...

Mike Lombardi also reported that there is a team "in love" with Bruce Irvin, and "they told him they're gonna take him in the 1st round."
Considering how tight-lipped the Niners are, I would be SHOCKED if they told him that.

YAYareaRB
04-25-2012, 08:52 PM
according to espns twitter, they got us taking Reuben Reyes in the 1st round

http://i28.tinypic.com/2v3n9qe.jpg

chaaaaaampionshiiiiiip

Borat
04-25-2012, 08:58 PM
It's fun to see these "insiders" get used by teams to spread misinformation. The Niners didn't spend 3 months keeping everything secret to just go out and give it all away the day before the draft.

jojo
04-25-2012, 09:22 PM
They're going after the best OG on the board in the 1st. Bank on it.

And Fleener will probably (not possibly) be like the Eagles song, Already Gone....

YAYareaRB
04-25-2012, 10:07 PM
i hope we take amini silatolu.. i just have a feeling about the guy.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-25-2012, 11:09 PM
according to espns twitter, they got us taking Reuben Reyes in the 1st round

http://i28.tinypic.com/2v3n9qe.jpg

chaaaaaampionshiiiiiip

If Terry Donahue was still running the 49ers I would probably have him going as SF's 2nd round pick.

hawkeye123
04-25-2012, 11:12 PM
I also have a gut feeling we go DL in the 1st...

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-25-2012, 11:15 PM
i hope we take amini silatolu.. i just have a feeling about the guy.

I would prefer him over Zeitler. Like the upside and love his style of play. He is flat out nasty the way he finishes blocks. I want to yell "finish him" when he hits the 2nd level.

49ersfan_87
04-25-2012, 11:30 PM
I also have a gut feeling we go DL in the 1st...

Me too. We've been linked to a lot of other players recently (Hill, Zeitler, Fleener, Silatolu, etc) which probably means we don't want them. Nobody linked us to our 1st rounders since Baalke took over back in 2010, i don't think it will change now. My final prediction on who we pick

1- Kendall Wright
2- Devon Still

Just a guess.

YAYareaRB
04-25-2012, 11:32 PM
I would prefer him over Zeitler. Like the upside and love his style of play. He is flat out nasty the way he finishes blocks. I want to yell "finish him" when he hits the 2nd level.

THIS! dudes is just plain nasty. hes been working on his technique and hes already strong as an ox. i know he didn't play division 1 ball but i just have a gut feeling about this kid.

phlysac
04-25-2012, 11:37 PM
I am comfortable with the fact that Baalke is impossible to predict and his board has proven to be full of surprises. With that said, here is my huge-upside mock that features players that I feel fit what Baalke tends to go for...


1. Amini Silatolu - Guard - Midwestern State
2. Brandon Boykin - Cornerback/RS - Georgia
3. Robert Turbin - Running Back - Utah State
4. Tommy Streeter - Wide Receiver - Miami
5. Justin Bethel - Defensive Back - Presbyterian
6. Braylon Broughton - Outside Linebacker - TCU
7. Duke Ihenacho - Safety - San Jose State

Ness
04-25-2012, 11:39 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/cosell-offers-up-pros-and-cons-on-aldon-smith#ixzz1t4qHW3Px



My favorite take was from Dave Razzano
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2012/04/24/revisiting-the-2011-mock-drafts-and-aldon-smiths-surprise-selection/

Thanks for the response.

YAYareaRB
04-25-2012, 11:39 PM
duke actually expressed interest in joining the "tony montana squad" at his pro day

phlysac
04-25-2012, 11:42 PM
duke actually expressed interest in joining the "tony montana squad" at his pro day

Yeah, he basically said he wants to be a ST demon for the 49ers. Just so happens they need depth at his position.


There's also this...

5m3gv1hhChU

Shupp
04-26-2012, 12:06 AM
I am comfortable with the fact that Baalke is impossible to predict and his board has proven to be full of surprises. With that said, here is my huge-upside mock that features players that I feel fit what Baalke tends to go for...


1. Amini Silatolu - Guard - Midwestern State
2. Brandon Boykin - Cornerback/RS - Georgia
3. Robert Turbin - Running Back - Utah State
4. Tommy Streeter - Wide Receiver - Miami
5. Justin Bethel - Defensive Back - Presbyterian
6. Braylon Broughton - Outside Linebacker - TCU
7. Duke Ihenacho - Safety - San Jose State

Really liking this scenario, it's a good recovery from a somewhat tough 1st round pick.

YAYareaRB
04-26-2012, 12:09 AM
A MEANIE.. SHOULDA TOLD YOU! OG - Midwestern State

Borat
04-26-2012, 12:09 AM
I am comfortable with the fact that Baalke is impossible to predict and his board has proven to be full of surprises. With that said, here is my huge-upside mock that features players that I feel fit what Baalke tends to go for...


1. Amini Silatolu - Guard - Midwestern State
2. Brandon Boykin - Cornerback/RS - Georgia
3. Robert Turbin - Running Back - Utah State
4. Tommy Streeter - Wide Receiver - Miami
5. Justin Bethel - Defensive Back - Presbyterian
6. Braylon Broughton - Outside Linebacker - TCU
7. Duke Ihenacho - Safety - San Jose State

So sick. Streeter & Boykin are 2 of my most wanted. Those top 4 would be amazing.

dan77733
04-26-2012, 12:10 AM
I am comfortable with the fact that Baalke is impossible to predict and his board has proven to be full of surprises. With that said, here is my huge-upside mock that features players that I feel fit what Baalke tends to go for...


1. Amini Silatolu - Guard - Midwestern State
2. Brandon Boykin - Cornerback/RS - Georgia
3. Robert Turbin - Running Back - Utah State
4. Tommy Streeter - Wide Receiver - Miami
5. Justin Bethel - Defensive Back - Presbyterian
6. Braylon Broughton - Outside Linebacker - TCU
7. Duke Ihenacho - Safety - San Jose State

Actually like this mock draft except for Turbin. With four RB's and 2 FB's on the roster, I just dont see the point in using a draft pick on a RB. Would rathet have a NT or C there instead. Otherwise, good.

Shupp
04-26-2012, 12:10 AM
A MEANIE.. SHOULDA TOLD YOU! OG - Midwestern State

Nice, did this guy play in the Senior Bowl? The small school thing scares me...

Borat
04-26-2012, 12:14 AM
Actually like this mock draft except for Turbin. With four RB's and 2 FB's on the roster, I just dont see the point in using a draft pick on a RB. Would rathet have a NT or C there instead. Otherwise, good.

We have 3 TEs and you want Fleener.

The point is that you are hopefully improving the position by replacing someone with a younger and hopefully better player. Also, Gore may be done after this year and Dixon has disappointed.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-26-2012, 12:15 AM
Actually like this mock draft except for Turbin. With four RB's and 2 FB's on the roster, I just dont see the point in using a draft pick on a RB. Would rathet have a NT or C there instead. Otherwise, good.

With two of those backs over 30 and one, that looks to be, out of favor with the staff I could see running back being a good value at that point of the draft. I like Turbin or Pead in round 3.

Shupp
04-26-2012, 12:29 AM
This is a pretty funny video actually . Amini Silatolo is killing these poor kids.


http://youtu.be/5y1vMglvFlE

YAYareaRB
04-26-2012, 12:29 AM
Nice, did this guy play in the Senior Bowl? The small school thing scares me...

invited but tore his hamstring and couldn't participate.

binary
04-26-2012, 12:51 AM
This is a pretty funny video actually . Amini Silatolo is killing these poor kids.


http://youtu.be/5y1vMglvFlE

I'm not really a hip hop fan, but that song (the first one with Eminem) is freaking awesome. every verse is amazing.

Madirishman
04-26-2012, 06:43 AM
Yeah, he basically said he wants to be a ST demon for the 49ers. Just so happens they need depth at his position.


There's also this...

5m3gv1hhChU

Loving the beanie! Welcome to the Tony Montana Squad....maybe.

Madirishman
04-26-2012, 07:08 AM
1. Amini Silatolu - Guard - Midwestern State
2. Brandon Boykin - Cornerback/RS - Georgia
3. Robert Turbin - Running Back - Utah State
4. Tommy Streeter - Wide Receiver - Miami
5. Justin Bethel - Defensive Back - Presbyterian
6. Braylon Broughton - Outside Linebacker - TCU
7. Duke Ihenacho - Safety - San Jose State

Very solid group, especially if they are able to get all of these players at those spots without maneuvering. I'm wondering where they have Silatolu rated and if they could move down a few spots and still grab him (assuming he's a player that is being targeted).

I'm a little concerned that dipping into the DII well so often would eventually bite the Niners in the ass.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 07:36 AM
I'm not really a hip hop fan, but that song (the first one with Eminem) is freaking awesome. every verse is amazing.


Bad Meets Evil - 'Fast Lane'
Detriot based duo comprised of Eminen and Royce the 5'9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJOsjP33nF4

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 07:53 AM
Yes, first rounders should be talent, not depth or need. Upside is ok, but some talent needs to be there.

Talent = Iupati

Need = Anthony Davis
Need = Kentwan Balmer
Need = Alex Smith

Talent + Need = Patrick Willis
Talent + Need = Michael Crabtree

I dont agree on Davis. I thought he was the most talented OT in that draft. Okung was the guy ready made to start from Day 1, guanranteed to be a solid pro. Trent Williams was the guy I thought that was the most technique-sound of the group. Bulaga I thought was strictly a RT and lacked athleticism. Davis I thought had the most upside of them all. Could project to either side and was the guy that impressed me the most out of all 4 watching them in college. You have to understand, Davis is only 23 yet he's heading into his 3rd year in the league. The kid is still learning. He hasnt even begun to scratch the surface of his potential. He's still a little soft, liked to see him get stronger but his technique is improved and and his feet are alot better. I still think he might actually be a better LT. He says his footwork feels more natural from the left side and I believe him.

farfromforgotten
04-26-2012, 09:03 AM
Scott has us taking Amini, AJ Jenkins, and Trevor Guyton in his final mock. There's that name again, Amini, guess we can safely say he will NOT be the pick now, lol. I'd be happy if he were the pick. Has Kendall Wright slipping in the 2nd round. I like Kendall. Not too happy with the 2nd rd pick. We let Janoris Jenkins go a pick after us, and Boykin goes early 3rd. I think JJ goes early to mid 2nd though. Not too familiar with Guyton.

Edit: he has Turbin going a couple picks after us in the 3rd, so going by his mock would could realistically have it the way Phlysac did his mock. I like your mock better, Phly. The 2nd rd WRs just don't excite me much. I'd love Hill or Wright in rd 1, but if we don't go that direction i'd rather see us wait until rds 3 or 4 to select a WR.

Madirishman
04-26-2012, 10:32 AM
I dont agree on Davis. I thought he was the most talented OT in that draft. Okung was the guy ready made to start from Day 1, guanranteed to be a solid pro. Trent Williams was the guy I thought that was the most technique-sound of the group. Bulaga I thought was strictly a RT and lacked athleticism. Davis I thought had the most upside of them all. Could project to either side and was the guy that impressed me the most out of all 4 watching them in college. You have to understand, Davis is only 23 yet he's heading into his 3rd year in the league. The kid is still learning. He hasnt even begun to scratch the surface of his potential. He's still a little soft, liked to see him get stronger but his technique is improved and and his feet are alot better. I still think he might actually be a better LT. He says his footwork feels more natural from the left side and I believe him.

I can see your argument and can place him in the Talent + Need category. He has upside and I'm not a fan at all of giving up on him and moving him in to RG, but I expect him to make big strides this offseason and in the 2012 season as a whole. Davis is an absolute mauler in the run game and has a nasty streak and his pass technique is improving. Just hoping he can take the next step and justify his Top 10 Draft status.

Also, if Iupati isn't a Pro Bowler next season, I'll be shocked.

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 11:48 AM
I am probably out on this limb all by myself but I am going to predict that our first pick will be a pass rusher (OLB) unless we trade up or a higher rated player slides.

I disagree with Dan who thinks pass rusher is a wasted early pick. It is a lot less of a luxury than Fleener would be that is for sure....pass rushers are a premium especially in a passing league and it never hurts to have a plethora of guys who can get after a QB, especially when teams sub packages are seeing more and more snaps with the transition to a passing league. Doubt NY Giants fans complain about having too many guys who can rush the passer.

Behind Brooks and Smith we are thin. Parys Haralson ? Puhhleeezzzeee. You need QUALITY depth in the NFL, and for us at OLB I just don't believe we have that. Don't know if the pass rusher we will take is Branch, Perry, McClellin, Irvin, Mercilus or some other but I think that will be the first target for us. We are not in must win now mode, so we don't have to draft a player who has to be a day 1 starter, however at the very least a pass rusher can still help this team tremendously in sub packages and on ST's. Baalke did say that he considered it a big expectation for anybody to come in and start from Day 1, and Aldon came in last year as a sub package player whose PT grew with each and every week.

Only hours until we see what happens but that is my prediction.

Madirishman
04-26-2012, 12:44 PM
I am probably out on this limb all by myself but I am going to predict that our first pick will be a pass rusher (OLB) unless we trade up or a higher rated player slides.

I disagree with Dan who thinks pass rusher is a wasted early pick. It is a lot less of a luxury than Fleener would be that is for sure....pass rushers are a premium especially in a passing league and it never hurts to have a plethora of guys who can get after a QB, especially when teams sub packages are seeing more and more snaps with the transition to a passing league. Doubt NY Giants fans complain about having too many guys who can rush the passer.

Behind Brooks and Smith we are thin. Parys Haralson ? Puhhleeezzzeee. You need QUALITY depth in the NFL, and for us at OLB I just don't believe we have that. Don't know if the pass rusher we will take is Branch, Perry, McClellin, Irvin, Mercilus or some other but I think that will be the first target for us. We are not in must win now mode, so we don't have to draft a player who has to be a day 1 starter, however at the very least a pass rusher can still help this team tremendously in sub packages and on ST's. Baalke did say that he considered it a big expectation for anybody to come in and start from Day 1, and Aldon came in last year as a sub package player whose PT grew with each and every week.

Only hours until we see what happens but that is my prediction.

I really like Whitney Mercilus, the OLB from Illinois as a guy has a high ceiling and would be ideal to rotate in with Aldon and Brooks to keep the relentless pass rush happening. If he's there at 30, there is great value IMO.

49ersfan_87
04-26-2012, 12:46 PM
Those predicting a 1st round OLB could be on to something

https://twitter.com/#!/SidelineFB/status/195516542560116737

So San Francisco is the promise team for Bruce Irvin in the first?

https://twitter.com/#!/SidelineFB/status/195517298793127937

I was surprised to hear the SF as the landing spot for Irvin last night as I expected it to be a crazy Belichick special.

If we feel confident in Kilgore at RG....our holes shrink to basically zero. At that point you take the BPA at a valuable position and pass rusher is right up there...so i wouldn't be against it. Still wouldn't mind trading back and taking him if that's the case.

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 12:58 PM
Those predicting a 1st round OLB could be on to something

https://twitter.com/#!/SidelineFB/status/195516542560116737



https://twitter.com/#!/SidelineFB/status/195517298793127937



If we feel confident in Kilgore at RG....our holes shrink to basically zero. At that point you take the BPA at a valuable position and pass rusher is right up there...so i wouldn't be against it. Still wouldn't mind trading back and taking him if that's the case.

That is not why I am predicting a pass rusher at 30. Doubt we told any player we will take him in first...either some other team did or his agent is making this noise.

YAYareaRB
04-26-2012, 01:04 PM
no thanks. when i see bruce irvin, i immediately think manny lawson...... :(

jojo
04-26-2012, 01:11 PM
no thanks. when i see bruce irvin, i immediately think manny lawson...... :(

The smell of his hype is too ripe already.

And they took Aldon Smith & have Smith on the other DE, pass rush is not a serious rqmt. I still say smokescreen, they're going OG.

dan77733
04-26-2012, 01:20 PM
We have 3 TEs and you want Fleener.

The point is that you are hopefully improving the position by replacing someone with a younger and hopefully better player. Also, Gore may be done after this year and Dixon has disappointed.

Byham is coming off a season ending injury and Walker is an UFA next off-season which means that we only have ONE TE in Davis that can be counted on. Reasons why I want Fleener are simple - he adds a red zone threat, can break tackles like VD and is fast. Add in the fact that he should already know the offense means that unlike most players coming out of college, the transition should be minimal at worse if that. Also, if it was me, I would draft Fleener and then trade Walker Friday to the highest bidder. Byham is also a blocking TE. I want an offensive weapon and a TE like Fleener will cause matchup nightmares for opposing defenses especially when they see him next to or opposite Davis.

People say that Gore has one year left but if that was really true and management thought that, I dont think that they would have extended his contract and granted, after 2012, they could release him without any cap penalty, you dont extend a franchise RB just for one more year. Makes no sense. Gore has at two years left in him, maybe more but in order for that to happen, they need to give Hunter the ball more because he's small, quick, fast and explosive and better than Dixon/Jacobs. Jacobs is just to push Dixon and im hoping that Dixon responds in TC and PreSeason so they can release Jacobs. And adding an explosive weapon like Fleener on offense also adds to Gore's career because they wouldnt have to just use Gore all the time.

I believe Fleener would be far more useful and impactful than Crabtree, Manningham and Moss will be. He's basically Davis part two which is more than okay by me. Add in the other factors and to me, if he's there at 30, he's the best and safest pick in my opinion. And if we pass on him, I know 100% that the Giants will take him because they have a huge need at TE with their only healthy TE being Bennett from the Cowboys. They would easily take Fleener at 32 who quite honestly, even at 30 is a steal and far more ready than any WR at those spots.

Oh well, 5 1/2 hours to go....cant wait!!!

Madirishman
04-26-2012, 01:27 PM
If they go OLB in the first, it needs to be Mercilus, not Irvin. Irvin may even still be there when they pick in the 2nd. He'd be a reach in the first IMO. No way the Niners told someone they would take them in the first. They haven't been operating like that. They were targeting Aldon by far in the first last year and Aldon had zero idea....and that was with a lot less speculation on who would fall to 7. I just don't see them having ONE guy they like at 30 that they are targeting.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 01:33 PM
I can see your argument and can place him in the Talent + Need category. He has upside and I'm not a fan at all of giving up on him and moving him in to RG, but I expect him to make big strides this offseason and in the 2012 season as a whole. Davis is an absolute mauler in the run game and has a nasty streak and his pass technique is improving. Just hoping he can take the next step and justify his Top 10 Draft status.

Also, if Iupati isn't a Pro Bowler next season, I'll be shocked.

If Iupati isnt a All-Pro next year, I'd be shocked. He actually regressed from his rookie year. I thought he should have made the Pro Bowl his rookie year. But what we asked him to do in WCO is little different from the digit system we were running his rookie year + the lockout might have be the reason he didnt take that next step. He can be soooooo much better though, its scary.

dan77733
04-26-2012, 01:33 PM
I am probably out on this limb all by myself but I am going to predict that our first pick will be a pass rusher (OLB) unless we trade up or a higher rated player slides.

I disagree with Dan who thinks pass rusher is a wasted early pick. It is a lot less of a luxury than Fleener would be that is for sure....pass rushers are a premium especially in a passing league and it never hurts to have a plethora of guys who can get after a QB, especially when teams sub packages are seeing more and more snaps with the transition to a passing league. Doubt NY Giants fans complain about having too many guys who can rush the passer.

Behind Brooks and Smith we are thin. Parys Haralson ? Puhhleeezzzeee. You need QUALITY depth in the NFL, and for us at OLB I just don't believe we have that. Don't know if the pass rusher we will take is Branch, Perry, McClellin, Irvin, Mercilus or some other but I think that will be the first target for us. We are not in must win now mode, so we don't have to draft a player who has to be a day 1 starter, however at the very least a pass rusher can still help this team tremendously in sub packages and on ST's. Baalke did say that he considered it a big expectation for anybody to come in and start from Day 1, and Aldon came in last year as a sub package player whose PT grew with each and every week.

Only hours until we see what happens but that is my prediction.

I'll be pissed if we draft another pass rushing OLB at 30. We have Smith, Brooks was re-signed and Haralson is better coming off the bench. A rookie OLB wont even see that much playing time because Brooks can play all three downs and Smith isnt going to be taken off in passing situations. Maybe third or fourth round but no way in hell, should an OLB be picked at 30 or in the second round.

OLB is WAY more of a luxury pick than Fleener and here's why - There's already three OLB's ahead of that rookie, two of which are set as starters but at TE, Byham is a blocking TE and coming off a season ending injury, Walker will be gone in a year so in a year from now, when all we have is Davis and looking to draft a TE to back him up, then im sure everyone will be saying that we should have drafted Fleener instead of an OLB. OLB at 30 is a waste of a draft pick and way more of a luxury and im tired of everyone here acting like the defense needs help. It doesnt. The offense NEEDS MAJOR help and Fleener would just be a part of that. Quite honestly, the only defensive player I would even want at 30 is CB Stephon Gilmore but he'll be long gone. Aside from him, it should be 100% offense.

You talk about the Giants pass rush and I agree but there's one difference that they have we dont - offense, mainly a passing offense. Its a passing league and you need offensive playmakers and weapons on offense. Not playing ball control because concertative crap isnt going to win you a God damn thing. Being aggressive is better. Want to win? You have to go out and get the win because its not just going to come to you.

Haralson is good enough as the third OLB. All we need is a late round OLB for special teams. Thats it. Everyone seems to be focused on defense yet, its offense that has won the last 10 of 12 Super Bowls or whatever it is. Sorry, defense is great but unless your defense scores you 20 points a game, you're not winning a Super Bowl. Its very simple, team that scores the most points wins the game and we NEED to score more points. Just adding an extra TD to the 23+ppg we scored would be HUGE and a far better addition than any OLB at 30 would be.

And yeah, I do believe that Fleener would help us on day one and everyone here wants a big red zone target. Well, there ya go.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 01:54 PM
I am probably out on this limb all by myself but I am going to predict that our first pick will be a pass rusher (OLB) unless we trade up or a higher rated player slides.

I disagree with Dan who thinks pass rusher is a wasted early pick. It is a lot less of a luxury than Fleener would be that is for sure....pass rushers are a premium especially in a passing league and it never hurts to have a plethora of guys who can get after a QB, especially when teams sub packages are seeing more and more snaps with the transition to a passing league. Doubt NY Giants fans complain about having too many guys who can rush the passer.

Behind Brooks and Smith we are thin. Parys Haralson ? Puhhleeezzzeee. You need QUALITY depth in the NFL, and for us at OLB I just don't believe we have that. Don't know if the pass rusher we will take is Branch, Perry, McClellin, Irvin, Mercilus or some other but I think that will be the first target for us. We are not in must win now mode, so we don't have to draft a player who has to be a day 1 starter, however at the very least a pass rusher can still help this team tremendously in sub packages and on ST's. Baalke did say that he considered it a big expectation for anybody to come in and start from Day 1, and Aldon came in last year as a sub package player whose PT grew with each and every week.

Only hours until we see what happens but that is my prediction.

Nic Perry I would absolutely love. I'm 50/50 on Irvin. Love the athleticism and his high ceiling potential but I think he will struggle early on with his strength and he's rawer than All-Done was coming into the draft. Everyone else I dont see as first round talent. But the problem I see with taking a pass-rusher@30 is when does he play? Brooks and All-Done aren't coming off the field. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down, those guys will be in on the action. Haralson is ok as a starter but as a back-up, he's solid. Thats the role he thrived in before, amassing 8 sacks in his second year(maybe it was his 3rd, I forget). So when does the rookie play? Thats the reason I warmed up to the idea of OG was because its one of the only positions on the team where a rookie could realistically come in and be a starter by the Packers game. WR, its a open competition, IMO. We have a question mark(Moss), a highly regarded FA(Manningham), and a incumbent #1 who hasn't really played like one(Crabs). I could easily see a talented rookie coming and pushing anyone of them down the depth chart. Guess it all depends on Baalke's big board. If the talent is at OLB, than I guess that's what it will be .

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 02:05 PM
If they go OLB in the first, it needs to be Mercilus, not Irvin. Irvin may even still be there when they pick in the 2nd. He'd be a reach in the first IMO. No way the Niners told someone they would take them in the first. They haven't been operating like that. They were targeting Aldon by far in the first last year and Aldon had zero idea....and that was with a lot less speculation on who would fall to 7. I just don't see them having ONE guy they like at 30 that they are targeting.

Not a Mercilus fan. Its like with Sanu, idk why but when I watched him, I dont see a guy who is extremely talented. And both games I saw him, he had good games, made plays but its like Im looking at Robert Ayers 2.0.

I will say this though, if we put that out there to Irvin, its a ploy to get our real target to fall. That doesn't seem very Baalk-esque. No way he told a pick, "your our guy".

49ersfan_87
04-26-2012, 02:19 PM
Some more evidence to support that the 49ers love Irvin..

On NFL Network Wednesday, Mike Lombardi said there was one team in the first round that was in love with Irvin. Lombardi is good friends with Jim Harbaugh and was the first (only?) prognosticator last year to link the 49ers with Aldon Smith.


Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/04/and-with-the-30th-pick-in-the-2012-nfl-draft.html#storylink=cpy

Its totally out of character for Baalke or Harbaugh to tell a player that...but the evidence seems to point to it. I also wouldn't have expected Baalke to say they were in love with a player in a Press Conference but he did last week (totally out of character) so who knows...

Madirishman
04-26-2012, 02:50 PM
Not a Mercilus fan. Its like with Sanu, idk why but when I watched him, I dont see a guy who is extremely talented. And both games I saw him, he had good games, made plays but its like Im looking at Robert Ayers 2.0.

I will say this though, if we put that out there to Irvin, its a ploy to get our real target to fall. That doesn't seem very Baalk-esque. No way he told a pick, "your our guy".

Mercilus already has productivity as a proven pass rusher and draft pundits believe he came out a year earlier than he could have. He'd be considered a Top 10 lock next year, which I believe helps demonstrate his upside (getting a possible blue chip guy to develop more at a non-blue chip draft spot) as far as a prospect goes in a position the Niners could use depth (and negotiating power to lower Haralson's contract) in. I like him a lot more than Irvin, who the Niners (or whoever it is) are using as an obvious smokescreen.

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 02:56 PM
I'll be pissed if we draft another pass rushing OLB at 30. We have Smith, Brooks was re-signed and Haralson is better coming off the bench. A rookie OLB wont even see that much playing time because Brooks can play all three downs and Smith isnt going to be taken off in passing situations. Maybe third or fourth round but no way in hell, should an OLB be picked at 30 or in the second round.

OLB is WAY more of a luxury pick than Fleener and here's why - There's already three OLB's ahead of that rookie, two of which are set as starters but at TE, Byham is a blocking TE and coming off a season ending injury, Walker will be gone in a year so in a year from now, when all we have is Davis and looking to draft a TE to back him up, then im sure everyone will be saying that we should have drafted Fleener instead of an OLB. OLB at 30 is a waste of a draft pick and way more of a luxury and im tired of everyone here acting like the defense needs help. It doesnt. The offense NEEDS MAJOR help and Fleener would just be a part of that. Quite honestly, the only defensive player I would even want at 30 is CB Stephon Gilmore but he'll be long gone. Aside from him, it should be 100% offense.

You talk about the Giants pass rush and I agree but there's one difference that they have we dont - offense, mainly a passing offense. Its a passing league and you need offensive playmakers and weapons on offense. Not playing ball control because concertative crap isnt going to win you a God damn thing. Being aggressive is better. Want to win? You have to go out and get the win because its not just going to come to you.

Haralson is good enough as the third OLB. All we need is a late round OLB for special teams. Thats it. Everyone seems to be focused on defense yet, its offense that has won the last 10 of 12 Super Bowls or whatever it is. Sorry, defense is great but unless your defense scores you 20 points a game, you're not winning a Super Bowl. Its very simple, team that scores the most points wins the game and we NEED to score more points. Just adding an extra TD to the 23+ppg we scored would be HUGE and a far better addition than any OLB at 30 would be.

And yeah, I do believe that Fleener would help us on day one and everyone here wants a big red zone target. Well, there ya go.

So what happens to our pass rush if Aldon went down with an injury? Walker is much more reliable as a starter if we lost Davis than Haralson would be if we lost Smith. You don't need another OLB for ST's and thats it. A rookie can rotate in and help keep guys fresh and be used in sub packages. It allows Fangio to be creative with personnel in the sub packages and with his blitzes and coverages. Just because we have guys who can or have been used for all three downs does not mean they wouldnt prefer to have the depth that allows you to rotate and keep guys fresher, especially late in games and late in the season.

There are no guarantees that Walker is gone after this year. Just like there are no guarantees that Fleener even sees the field as a rookie...players who can't block are one dimensional and can be a liablity...this is a passing league but as much as you need offensive playmakers for the pass game you also need defensive playmakers to help defenses to defend the pass. Goes both ways. Fleener has a long way to go in developing as a blocker. Great prospect but by no means can we be assured of him making any more of an impact than a pass rusher. The Giants offense had playmakers yes, but not at TE. We may have had a good defense but we can stand to improve the depth there. I agree we need to improve the offensive skill positions as well but adding a skilled body at WR is far more important than a skilled body at TE is.

Most teams place a high value on pass rushers as they impact a game much more. Many believe pass rushers to be the most valuable position outside of QB. Any improvements to the pass rush also help the secondary. We could still draft a TE outside the first to be the 3rd TE and get a WR as well and both could contribute. You seem to think the only way to help our offense is to get someone at 30 but that is simply not true.

Menardo75
04-26-2012, 03:15 PM
I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins if he's on the board that's my prediction.

dan77733
04-26-2012, 03:17 PM
So what happens to our pass rush if Aldon went down with an injury? Walker is much more reliable as a starter if we lost Davis than Haralson would be if we lost Smith. You don't need another OLB for ST's and thats it. A rookie can rotate in and help keep guys fresh and be used in sub packages. It allows Fangio to be creative with personnel in the sub packages and with his blitzes and coverages. Just because we have guys who can or have been used for all three downs does not mean they wouldnt prefer to have the depth that allows you to rotate and keep guys fresher, especially late in games and late in the season.

There are no guarantees that Walker is gone after this year. Just like there are no guarantees that Fleener even sees the field as a rookie...players who can't block are one dimensional and can be a liablity...this is a passing league but as much as you need offensive playmakers for the pass game you also need defensive playmakers to help defenses to defend the pass. Goes both ways. Fleener has a long way to go in developing as a blocker. Great prospect but by no means can we be assured of him making any more of an impact than a pass rusher. The Giants offense had playmakers yes, but not at TE. We may have had a good defense but we can stand to improve the depth there. I agree we need to improve the offensive skill positions as well but adding a skilled body at WR is far more important than a skilled body at TE is.

Most teams place a high value on pass rushers as they impact a game much more. Many believe pass rushers to be the most valuable position outside of QB. Any improvements to the pass rush also help the secondary. We could still draft a TE outside the first to be the 3rd TE and get a WR as well and both could contribute. You seem to think the only way to help our offense is to get someone at 30 but that is simply not true.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree but if we pass on an offensive player like Fleener, Hill or Silatolu for an OLB, im NOT going to be happy.

Brent
04-26-2012, 03:18 PM
I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins if he's on the board that's my prediction.
I wouldn't be shocked if it were him or Nick Perry.

Borat
04-26-2012, 03:21 PM
I hate that I want the same player Dan does lol.

Madirishman
04-26-2012, 03:27 PM
I hate that I want the same player Dan does lol.

2nd sign of the apocalypse. :facepalm: LMAO

dan77733
04-26-2012, 04:26 PM
I hate that I want the same player Dan does lol.

You want Fleener too or are you just being sarcastic?

Borat
04-26-2012, 04:31 PM
You want Fleener too or are you just being sarcastic?

**** yeah I want Fleener. He's going to be Gronkesque.

Disclaimer: I want Fleener. I think we're taking Silatolu.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 06:25 PM
Mercilus already has productivity as a proven pass rusher and draft pundits believe he came out a year earlier than he could have. He'd be considered a Top 10 lock next year, which I believe helps demonstrate his upside (getting a possible blue chip guy to develop more at a non-blue chip draft spot) as far as a prospect goes in a position the Niners could use depth (and negotiating power to lower Haralson's contract) in. I like him a lot more than Irvin, who the Niners (or whoever it is) are using as an obvious smokescreen.

Productivity in college is great in all but when I watch a kid, Im not looking at him saying to myself wow, he's got great numbers. I have to see the uniqueness in what he brings to the table. The talent should jump off the screen and I should see how this kid's skill translate at the next level. Its not always immediate but I should see something, the more I zero in on a guy. And what I'm saying is i didnt see that from Mercilus. Now of course, Im no expert, its all just opinion in that regard but I saw alot more upside from Irvin, though he may not have been as productivity.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 06:27 PM
I would hate if we took Irvin over Perry. If Perry falls, would absolutely love him@30. Next to Hill, Jones and Poe, he's been my biggest draft crush.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 06:40 PM
Ok, before the festivities begin, Im going to chime in and say Gilmore is the guy at 30 if we dont trade back....

jojo
04-26-2012, 07:14 PM
You want Fleener too or are you just being sarcastic?

We all want Fleener. It's the right pick made in the sober pure light of dawn:cj:

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 07:55 PM
We all want Fleener. It's the right pick made in the sober pure light of dawn:cj:

Ummmmmmm no we dont, and no it isnt.....

Borat
04-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Arizona takes Floyd. Damn. I love Floyd. At least it wasn't DeCastro.

Borat
04-26-2012, 08:30 PM
Rams finally select ... Michael Brockers.

He's got good bust potential.

Please pass on DeCastro Seattle. I mocked them taking Coples at 12.

Verloren
04-26-2012, 08:31 PM
Well, no worries about missing out on Irvin now.

Borat
04-26-2012, 08:32 PM
Seattle takes Bruce Irvin.

Wow.

I'll take it lol.

49ersfan_87
04-26-2012, 08:45 PM
Lombardi just said on NFLN that the 49ers WERE the team that told Irvin they would take him at pick 30.

Borat
04-26-2012, 08:48 PM
DeCastro still out there after 17 picks. Trade up time baby!

Verloren
04-26-2012, 09:09 PM
Too many choices :S

Borat
04-26-2012, 09:11 PM
20 picks in and DeCastro is still there.

I want him sooooooooo bad.

Verloren
04-26-2012, 09:13 PM
Hill, Randle, Fleener, Silatolu, Dennard

Choices choices choices.

Verloren
04-26-2012, 09:43 PM
Man oh man.

Borat
04-26-2012, 09:47 PM
Fleener or Hill. Works for me.

dan77733
04-26-2012, 09:51 PM
A.J. Jenkins over Fleener and Hill???? UGH. Not happy as usual.

hawkeye123
04-26-2012, 09:52 PM
As expected, didn't see that coming at all.

Verloren
04-26-2012, 09:52 PM
o_O

Jenkins.

Menardo75
04-26-2012, 09:53 PM
Well that was surprising, but after last years draft i'm not gonna argue. He does fill a need for a vertical threat.

49ersfan_87
04-26-2012, 09:54 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I put Givens there because i heard Cosell raving about him earlier. I would ideally want AJ Jenkins in the 2nd but i think he's going to go top 50. Maybe Marvin Jones is another option at 61.

I liked AJ Jenkins. Would have preferred to trade down but i'm still happy with the pick. He's legit. He was touted as a draft riser recently by Tony Pauline, in case anyone cares.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-26-2012, 09:55 PM
Baalke sure wasn't kidding when he said that they had a feeling the player they wanted would be at #30.

Borat
04-26-2012, 09:57 PM
A.J. Jenkins over Fleener and Hill???? UGH. Not happy as usual.

I bet you were furious when they picked Aldon Smith instead of Prince Amukamara.

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 09:57 PM
Baalke sure wasn't kidding when he said that they had a feeling the player they wanted would be at #30.

nope. was not a smokescreen.

Verloren
04-26-2012, 09:57 PM
So who do you think they'll go for tomorrow?

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:01 PM
nope. was not a smokescreen.

Wasn't it Bruce Irvin?

dan77733
04-26-2012, 10:02 PM
I bet you were furious when they picked Aldon Smith instead of Prince Amukamara.

Not really. I wanted Peterson or Green last year. Just like last year, our draft pick comes out of nowhere. Only bright side is that they said Jenkins is a polished route runner and will fit in better now than Hill would. I'm shocked that Fleener wasnt the pick. Now, im guessing the Giants take him.

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 10:02 PM
Wasn't it Bruce Irvin?

that was speculation by journalists.

Shupp
04-26-2012, 10:02 PM
A.J. Jenkins over Fleener and Hill???? UGH. Not happy as usual.

AJ mother%#¥+=*? Jenkins??????

Cordy Glenn? Stephen Hill, and Coby Fleener??????

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:04 PM
that was speculation by journalists.

Well, it was Mike Lombardi that first broke that rumor and after the Seahawks took Irvin, he admitted it was the 9ers that said he was their man.

jojo
04-26-2012, 10:04 PM
Guy ran a sub-4.4 40. Still was the 19th-ranked WR. I have no idea what Baalke was thinking.

Arsenal
04-26-2012, 10:05 PM
San Francisco did the same type of thing last year. Guys with really good physical measurables and seen as a reach.

The guys who played last year (Aldon Smith & Chris Culliver) turned out fantastic so I'll trust Baalke until he proves me wrong. I like how he isn't afraid to target who he wants regardless of what the perception will be.

I like the type of player A.J. Jenkins is and think it is a good fit in that adding a deep threat was made a big priority this offseason.

Still, you would think this would be the second round pick, not first.

Shupp
04-26-2012, 10:05 PM
Damn, never been this dissapointed

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 10:08 PM
Not really. I wanted Peterson or Green last year. Just like last year, our draft pick comes out of nowhere. Only bright side is that they said Jenkins is a polished route runner and will fit in better now than Hill would. I'm shocked that Fleener wasnt the pick. Now, im guessing the Giants take him.

Speculation all along was Giants wouldnt take him that high because of his blocking. Colts might, if not his blocking could cause him to slide. It can be improved but will be a liability until then.

Menardo75
04-26-2012, 10:08 PM
i'm not questioning them after last year so I like it.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:08 PM
I bet you were furious when they picked Aldon Smith instead of Prince Amukamara.

Not really. I wanted Peterson or Green last year. Just like last year, our draft pick comes out of nowhere. Only bright side is that they said Jenkins is a polished route runner and will fit in better now than Hill would. I'm shocked that Fleener wasnt the pick. Now, im guessing the Giants take him.

From your post following the pick of Aldon:

UGH!!!

We drafted OLB Aldon Smith with the 7th overall draft pick.

I'm NOT happy (as usual). Another 4-3 DE expected to make the conversion and we'll probably still be stuck with Nate at CB. I would have tried to trade down but if I couldnt, I would have drafted Prince instead.

This guy better do awesome from the start because if he becomes a flop, I can say right now, bye bye Ballke, Harbaugh and company.

NOT ******* HAPPY!!!!!

What a crappy ass day!!!


LMFAO!!!!

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 10:10 PM
Well, it was Mike Lombardi that first broke that rumor and after the Seahawks took Irvin, he admitted it was the 9ers that said he was their man.

could be true or could have been blowing smoke up his ass though. we may never know.

fwiw irvin would have fit better with us than seahawks.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:11 PM
could be true or could have been blowing smoke up his ass though. we may never know.

fwiw irvin would have fit better with us than seahawks.

Yeah, I agree.

YAYareaRB
04-26-2012, 10:13 PM
In Baalke we trust. he knows his **** so i trust him

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 10:15 PM
Yeah, I agree.

maybe pistol pete will leave irvin on field in obvious run situations so a pulling iupati can pancake his a$$

Shupp
04-26-2012, 10:16 PM
Last year I was not excited but I wasn't disappointed, this year I am.

YAYareaRB
04-26-2012, 10:16 PM
so i guess our WR battle will be interesting.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:19 PM
Jeez guys. It's not that bad. I had Jenkins going 38th overall. It isn't like we took a kicker or something.

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 10:19 PM
Last year I was not excited but I wasn't disappointed, this year I am.

Does the fact the Seahawks reached for a strictly 4-3 sub package player excite you?

Or that the Rams did not do Bradford and Jackson any favors by passing on DeCastro?

Got to look at the glass as half full as opposed to half empty.

H.O.O.D
04-26-2012, 10:20 PM
Jeez guys. It's not that bad. I had Jenkins going 38th overall. It isn't like we took a kicker or something.

what did you say about janikowski?

49ersfan_87
04-26-2012, 10:20 PM
I'd also like to say all the rumors for SF were completely wrong. All the "we like Hill/Solatalu/Fleener/etc" turned out to be wrong. The Irvin rumor was legit but that came out today or yesterday. Another pick nobody saw coming. Guess most of us got fooled again.

Brent
04-26-2012, 10:21 PM
I am going to assume that the Niners scouting department is smarter than any "draftnik" on this. Welcome to the team, AJ.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:22 PM
Does the fact the Seahawks reached for a strictly 4-3 sub package player excite you?

Or that the Rams did not do Bradford and Jackson any favors by passing on DeCastro?

Got to look at the glass as half full as opposed to half empty.

This. Although, I'm a huge Floyd lover (I stated that I liked him better than AJ Green, and Julio Jones before he went back to school lol)

The Rams suck. I don't care what they do. I know they'd pass on DeCastro. I just wish we could have traded up for him. Too bad.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:23 PM
what did you say about janikowski?

I said nothing! I was too busy laughing uncontrollably

farfromforgotten
04-26-2012, 10:23 PM
The closer it got to our pick I kept telling myself it will be Glenn or possibly Hill. I had already talked myself out of it being Fleener, I just wasnt feeling it. Then when it got to us I told myself that it was going to be a player I wasnt even thinking of and I'm going to have to be ok with it. A.J. Jenkins. lol. As others have said going off of last years draft we have to trust Baalke and Harbaugh. We owe them that.

I'm going to watch film of A.J. Jenkins now.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 10:24 PM
All the lust for Fleener and the guy doesn't even get drafted in round 1. Gotta love the irony. Im happy with Jenkins. Suprised they had him rated over Hill but I said in the other draft thread I didnt understand why Jenkins wasnt been talked about more. I trust Baalke's board, hasn't steered us wrong yet. Im just glad it was WR. Now we have the rest of the draft to complete the carnage. Love the Cards and 'Hawks picks. Dont think they got the players they needed to make them better as a whole. Can't wait to see what Baalke has in store for the rest of the draft. WR comp is going to be a beauty to watch.

49ersfan_87
04-26-2012, 10:25 PM
Can someone make a "hipster baalke" meme?

Coby Fleener? Too mainstream.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:25 PM
O931W3wadpY

Brent
04-26-2012, 10:29 PM
I'd also like to say all the rumors for SF were completely wrong. All the "we like Hill/Solatalu/Fleener/etc" turned out to be wrong. The Irvin rumor was legit but that came out today or yesterday. Another pick nobody saw coming. Guess most of us got fooled again.

I would be shocked if the Niners tipped their cards to anyone. Also, need I remind everyone:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/idiotnumbr3/351094.jpg

dan77733
04-26-2012, 10:30 PM
I just watched the one of only two videos of Jenkins on youtube against Northwestern. You guys are going to call me crazy and nuts but watching him run his routes and the way he catches the ball, he reminds me of Jerry Rice.

I will say this, the guy seems to have good route running ability and awesome hands. I guess we can say goodbye to Swain (which was already expected at some point) and Kyle Williams. Dont know about others here but I would keep six receivers on the roster. Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, Jenkins, Williams and Ginn.

Draft wise, I dont see Hill or Fleener dropping close enough to get either and wouldnt matter since I dont see either one of them getting drafted by us. I'm hoping we can get either Boykin or Silatolu. I'll be happy then.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-26-2012, 10:30 PM
Two tidbits from Harbaugh's presser:

- Baalke wrote Jenkins name down last night and put it in the envelope.
- 49ers almost made trade with Vikings. Would have taken Jenkins in round 2 if that trade had happened.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/idiotnumbr3/351094.jpg

so much awesome.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
Maybe we trade up for Silatolu now?

Nah, screw that! It's Boykin time.

Brent
04-26-2012, 10:34 PM
Maybe we trade up for Silatolu now?

Nah, screw that! It's Boykin time.
Boykin would be a really nice pick up.

farfromforgotten
04-26-2012, 10:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4675800/illini-wr-jenkins-draft-stock-rising

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4675800/illini-wr-jenkins-draft-stock-rising

Kiper has Jenkins going to Jacksonville at No. 38 in his latest mock draft.

Exactly where I had him as well. Obviously, they researched the WRs and they liked Jenkins as the best fit for our offense. If you watch that youtube clip, he gets deep based off of play action, exactly like the 9ers offense. I was envisioning him doing that in red and gold and it was glorious.

OK, enough homerism. He's still a rookie WR and it's completely a guess whether he will materialize into a stud or not.

Menardo75
04-26-2012, 10:44 PM
He fits exactly what the offense needs.

Brent
04-26-2012, 10:44 PM
he gets deep based off of play action, exactly like the 9ers offense. I was envisioning him doing that in red and gold and it was glorious.

OK, enough homerism.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/idiotnumbr3/JimNTrent.jpg

I could make these all weekend.

Borat
04-26-2012, 10:47 PM
I could make these all weekend.

Please do. Please.



Please.

YAYareaRB
04-26-2012, 10:47 PM
i was hoping for a bigger receiver for our endzone troubles. maybe in coming days

farfromforgotten
04-26-2012, 10:55 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/idiotnumbr3/JimNTrent.jpg

I could make these all weekend.

Excellent!

phlysac
04-26-2012, 10:56 PM
For you guys seeing Jenkins as a deep threat, hit the brakes.

He fits an even bigger need my opinion. He consistently creates space sideline to sideline short to intermediate. He finds soft spots in zones. He also has the speed to take the top off if asked.

Think Victor Cruz.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 11:00 PM
He fits exactly what the offense needs.

One thing about Jenkins, he would disappear at times. And he drops a few gimmies as well. But alot of upside there. I never got a chance to see how he handled press coverage so that will be a question mark going foward as well. But I understand what Baalke saw in him. Kid's got a ton of talent.

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 11:03 PM
For you guys seeing Jenkins as a deep threat, hit the brakes.

He fits an even bigger need my opinion. He consistently creates space sideline to sideline short to intermediate. He finds soft spots in zones. He also has the speed to take the top off if asked.

Think Victor Cruz.


Very much this. Actually, he reminds me of Greg Jennings. But I never thought Jennings was as good as Jenkins was in college. I slept on Jennings bad, lol.

49erNation85
04-26-2012, 11:05 PM
Seriously why the hell did we pick a 4th round guy over Hill or Fleener ? I'm so freaking pissed off . I would rather have one of those two guys then this fool . Dam it sf , just why !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Menardo75
04-26-2012, 11:07 PM
Seriously why the hell did we pick a 4th round guy over Hill or Fleener ? I'm so freaking pissed off . I would rather have one of those two guys then this fool . Dam it sf , just why !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol he was rated as an early second round pick you clown.

Very much this. Actually, he reminds me of Greg Jennings. But I never thought Jennings was as good as Jenkins was in college. I slept on Jennings bad, lol.

Jennings was a beast in college, but I still never thought he would develop into what he is now.

edgrenade
04-26-2012, 11:09 PM
As I watch Jenkins on film, I see a more athletic Wes Welker, which is a good thing. He has very solid hands, and runs a lot of different routes. Also, ignore a lot of the missed passes because his QB was absolutely TERRIBLE.

Also, I predicted that Fleener, Hill, Upshaw, and Janoris would all fall out of the first round.

Baalke selecting AJ over guys like Hill, Randle, and Jeffry really tells me that they like him a lot, and see him fitting in nicely.

phlysac
04-26-2012, 11:12 PM
If Jenkins can create consistent separation in the slot, it will make Crabtree, Manningham, and VD SO MUCH MORE dangerous.

49erNation85
04-26-2012, 11:12 PM
Lol he was rated as an early second round pick you clown

I no but still you a guy who is suppose to lower ranked then Hill or Jefferey in the FIRST round , I just mean what the **** ...

Menardo75
04-26-2012, 11:15 PM
I no but still you a guy who is suppose to lower ranked then Hill or Jefferey in the FIRST round , I just mean what the **** ...

Jeffery doesn't fit the offense, and I don't know what they didn't like about Hill but Jenkins will contribute a lot earlier than Hill. The fact that Hill didn't go in the first round shows that NFL teams aren't as high on him as we are.

edgrenade
04-26-2012, 11:17 PM
Jeffery doesn't fit the offense, and I don't know what they didn't like about Hill but Jenkins will contribute a lot earlier than Hill. The fact that Hill didn't go in the first round shows that NFL teams aren't as high on him as we are.

I'm kinda happy Hill didn't go in the first because I get frustrated with how everyone overrates players after the Combine EVERY year, even after they say the Combine is a SMALL part of the equation.

Borat
04-26-2012, 11:17 PM
I no but still you a guy who is suppose to lower ranked then Hill or Jefferey in the FIRST round , I just mean what the **** ...

How could they pass on Kellen Moore??????????

edgrenade
04-26-2012, 11:21 PM
How could they pass on Kellen Moore??????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


awesome

phlysac
04-26-2012, 11:27 PM
Gotta love that Baalke stays true to himself and to his board...

Baalke was so confident in Jenkins that last night he put Jenkins' name in an envelope, sealed it and told the coaches and scouts around him, "This is the guy we're going to take."

But Baalke said he worried that another team would have come in and taken Jenkins before the 49ers. "He would have gone a lot sooner tomorrow than a lot of people think," Baalke said.

farfromforgotten
04-26-2012, 11:29 PM
For you guys seeing Jenkins as a deep threat, hit the brakes.

He fits an even bigger need my opinion. He consistently creates space sideline to sideline short to intermediate. He finds soft spots in zones. He also has the speed to take the top off if asked.

Think Victor Cruz.

He's smart and not afraid to play in the middle of the field. I worry about his size, but maybe, like Victor Cruz, he'll be smart enough to find ways to not take big hits... I remember Cruz pissing me off in the NFC Championship game. Catching several 6-8 yard passes, getting a few more yards, and hitting the deck before we could put a solid hit on him.

Edit: wasnt sure of Cruz's size. He's listed as 6 ft 204 lbs. Jenkins is 6'1 190 lbs. Oh and his full name is Alfred Alonzo Jenkins.

49erNation85
04-26-2012, 11:31 PM
You guys keep laughing but I just don't why they keep taking guys lower rank them so . Hill would have been a good WR in our offense but oh well. I don't hate the pick for wide out just the person who we picked. Way to early IMO. If he went in round two I wouldn't be so mad . I will just have to wait and see if the guy is worthily of a first round pick.

phlysac
04-26-2012, 11:33 PM
You guys keep laughing but I just don't why they keep taking guys lower rank them so . Hill would have been a good WR in our offense but oh well. I don't hate the pick for wide out just the person who we picked. Way to early IMO. If he went in round two I wouldn't be so mad . I will just have to wait and see if the guy is worthily of a first round pick.
That's the thing. He wasn't lower ranked to them. He was the guy they wanted. PERIOD.

“Trent Baalke last night put his name in an envelope and said ‘This is who were going to pick,’” Harbaugh said. “We all agreed on it and it held true. That was the guy we wanted and that was the highest player on the board when the time came to pick him.”

Said Baalke: “If we decided to trade back there was a good chance we would have lost him. If you like the player, take him.”

VAfy-ya
04-26-2012, 11:37 PM
You guys keep laughing but I just don't why they keep taking guys lower rank them so . Hill would have been a good WR in our offense but oh well. I don't hate the pick for wide out just the person who we picked. Way to early IMO. If he went in round two I wouldn't be so mad . I will just have to wait and see if the guy is worthily of a first round pick.

Hill is still on the board, so what is your point? Realistically, he could still be a Niner....

Borat
04-26-2012, 11:38 PM
You guys keep laughing but I just don't why they keep taking guys lower rank them so . Hill would have been a good WR in our offense but oh well. I don't hate the pick for wide out just the person who we picked. Way to early IMO. If he went in round two I wouldn't be so mad . I will just have to wait and see if the guy is worthily of a first round pick.

You're doing it wrong.

phlysac
04-26-2012, 11:40 PM
http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/169db5bc902011e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg

VAfy-ya
04-27-2012, 12:02 AM
One more note on Jenkins.....explosive athlete. 38.5" vertical, 10'4" broad jump. Couldnt find his 10 yard split. 4.12s in the short shuttle and 6.73s in the 3-Cone. He has top notch triangle and agility numbers to go with great production and solid game film.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-27-2012, 12:06 AM
RT @SI_PeterKing Just talked to one team with a receiver need who liked first-round stunner AJ Jenkins over Michael Floyd.

One Bengals beat writer tweeted that Marvin Lewis went out of his way to talk about how much he loved AJ Jenkins on his post round 1 draft conference call.

Borat
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
I have no problem with the AJ Jenkins pick.

Honestly, I was very concerned with the Aldon pick last year and much more than the Jenkins pick this year. Our FO knows what they're doing. Not concerned one bit. I'm actually really excited about the skill set that AJ brings to the field.

edgrenade
04-27-2012, 12:13 AM
I have no problem with the AJ Jenkins pick.

Honestly, I was very concerned with the Aldon pick last year and much more than the Jenkins pick this year. Our FO knows what they're doing. Not concerned one bit. I'm actually really excited about the skill set that AJ brings to the field.

Everyone wanted a big guy (Fleener/Hill) to get open on 3rd downs, but Jenkins does that with his route running. We now have a 3rd down target just like Victor Cruz.

phlysac
04-27-2012, 12:23 AM
Yeah. Adding a combination of Victor Cruz and Antonio Brown is just a terrible idea.

Oh yeah, he returns kicks too. Horrible.

49ersfan_87
04-27-2012, 12:24 AM
So...should we even bother discussing who we will take in Round 2?

phlysac
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
I think there might be some movement.

Borat
04-27-2012, 12:28 AM
We will get our oversized redzone target later when we take:

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2011/11/05/21/41/ti3V.St.56.jpg

edgrenade
04-27-2012, 12:32 AM
i think we're done taking WRs in the draft now. I think there will definitely be some brought in as UDFAs, but i think we're done now.

I honestly have no idea who to take in the 2nd, i need to re-evaluate who is left

YAYareaRB
04-27-2012, 12:34 AM
I'm definitely on the Streeter boat.

YAYareaRB
04-27-2012, 12:34 AM
theres really no point in guessing anymore. baalke do what baalke do

49ersfan_87
04-27-2012, 12:36 AM
Needs

-OG
-TE (maybe)
-RB
-DL
-OLB
-DB (More likely S than CB)

Whichever player you think it will be, think again. We all thought WR was an option but nobody guessed Jenkins...odds are whichever player we take, will be someone we barely discussed.

Ness
04-27-2012, 12:47 AM
I thought we were going to take a guard, but although this is a surprise, I'm happy with the selection. Another receiver to help Alex. And just browsing the draft threads over the past week here, it's ridiculously apparently that people don't realize that 90% of the players drafted aren't going to be be megastars, let alone be remembered by the typical fan. This is why every single season I don't get caught up in the hype and the "hot prospects" and rising/lowering stock.

In any case, welcome to the team A.J. Jenkins. Maybe with our next pick we'll take a running back.

49erNation85
04-27-2012, 01:00 AM
I still think we can trade into begging of round 2 and get Fleener. We've traded before ( last draft) but who knows with round two.I'm so confused on players now ugh .

Borat
04-27-2012, 01:01 AM
I started making these when I got sick of Adam Schefter spoiling the picks prior to the commissioner's announcement:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterruinsSopranos.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterruinsSeinfeld.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterruinsBambi.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterhatesSpoilerTags.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/Schefterruinstitanic.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/schefterruinsTheUsualSuspects.jpg

Menardo75
04-27-2012, 01:08 AM
I still think we can trade into begging of round 2 and get Fleener. We've traded before ( last draft) but who knows with round two.I'm so confused on players now ugh .

They won't trade up for Fleener accept it now so you avoid heartbreak.

AS11toFG21
04-27-2012, 01:19 AM
Jenkins seems like he was ridiculously underrated coming into the draft.

"So he's fast, has good hands and runs good routes? Meh."

YAYareaRB
04-27-2012, 01:42 AM
I started making these when I got sick of Adam Schefter spoiling the picks prior to the commissioner's announcement:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterruinsSopranos.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterruinsSeinfeld.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterruinsBambi.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterhatesSpoilerTags.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/Schefterruinstitanic.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/schefterruinsTheUsualSuspects.jpg

you might be onto something here. at the very least, it would be popular here

YAYareaRB
04-27-2012, 01:47 AM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19523180.jpg

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19523220.jpg

binary
04-27-2012, 02:04 AM
This team is probably gonna go more spread style this year. The niners are going to be a very versatile Offense. They've totally revamped the WR core... it's been interesting, they must really think (know) that was the weak link last year.

That being said, if you draft a WR in the first round, he better have the potential to be a stud #1 guy..I don't see that with Jenkins at all....at all.

D4rk 0ne
04-27-2012, 02:28 AM
http://i.imgur.com/ZVQCY.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/SBzRi.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/o5JlP.jpg





And if anyone wants to use this template: http://memegenerator.net/Spoiler-Schefter

VAfy-ya
04-27-2012, 03:00 AM
This team is probably gonna go more spread style this year. The niners are going to be a very versatile Offense. They've totally revamped the WR core... it's been interesting, they must really think (know) that was the weak link last year.

That being said, if you draft a WR in the first round, he better have the potential to be a stud #1 guy..I don't see that with Jenkins at all....at all.

Spread? Not even. Jimbaugh with keep things very West Coast like always. Upgrading the talent doesn't equate to a philosphy change. Jenkins, like any other WR, better be able to block on the edge or he wont see the field. We will still be a run-heavy team. We should now be able to convert 3rd and longs if need be because we now posess the personel to stretch the defense both vertically and horizontally.

49ersfan_87
04-27-2012, 03:11 AM
One of the reasons the Rams were not overly flustered about missing out on wide receivers Justin Blackmon of Oklahoma State and Michael Floyd of Notre Dame is they felt they have very good wideout options at the top of the second round.
But one of the most-coveted of those options, A.J. Jenkins of the University of Illinois, was snatched away by San Francisco with the 30th pick — or third-to-last selection — of the first round.
How coveted?
League sources told the Post-Dispatch on Thursday afternoon that the Rams liked Jenkins so much that his grade wasn't much different than the one given Blackmon by the team's personnel department. Blackmon was the first wide receiver taken in the draft, going No. 5 to Jacksonville (which traded up with Tampa Bay for the pick.)


Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-miss-out-on-jenkins/article_02ddc12d-b649-5ef0-84f4-02f6487fb11d.html#ixzz1tE4TIRuS

Looks like we would have missed on Jenkins if we traded back to 35.

Borat
04-27-2012, 03:13 AM
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/sabufoo/SchefterruinsStarWars.jpg

binary
04-27-2012, 03:36 AM
Spread? Not even. Jimbaugh with keep things very West Coast like always. Upgrading the talent doesn't equate to a philosphy change. Jenkins, like any other WR, better be able to block on the edge or he wont see the field. We will still be a run-heavy team. We should now be able to convert 3rd and longs if need be because we now posess the personel to stretch the defense both vertically and horizontally.

Jimbaugh will do whatever it takes to win. With all these wideouts, he can be versatile. Remember, the Packers run WCO concepts as well, but the spread it out like crazy.

Brent
04-27-2012, 07:16 AM
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/04/did-49ers-jump-the-gun-on-jenkins-baalke-doesnt-think-so.html
Baalke didn't want to risk it. "When I used to work for coach (Bill) Parcells and Dick Hailey, Dick's mentality and coach's mentality was, if you like a player, take them," Baalke said. "If you like them at 30, what's the difference if you take him at 30 or 33 or 34? If you like the player, take them because if you don't take them and you trade back, you may not like the outcome."

Can't say I disagree with the mentality.

Justone2
04-27-2012, 07:43 AM
Best mentality to have. Certainly with only a few spots between its better to just take him.

VAfy-ya
04-27-2012, 07:51 AM
Jimbaugh will do whatever it takes to win. With all these wideouts, he can be versatile. Remember, the Packers run WCO concepts as well, but the spread it out like crazy.

McCarthy and Harbaugh have different philosphies. We've had this discussion before, about how Harbaugh's offense differs from other WCO's. You might see 3-wide but it wont be a spread concept is what Im saying. And I highly doubt we'll be 4 wide very often, if at all. Adding a guy like Jenkins and Manningham just means when we do have mutiple WR sets insteading of trotting out Crabs and Williams, and Swain, we can have Jenkins and MM on the outside, which will draw safties out of the middle of the field so now VD doesn't get bottled up and Crabs can be inside where he can be even more of a threat, beating up on smaller nickelbacks. So now safeties have to choose their posion. Do they help out over the top on VD and Crabs or do they let Moss, MM, and Jenkins go one-on-one on the outside.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
04-27-2012, 08:24 AM
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/04/did-49ers-jump-the-gun-on-jenkins-baalke-doesnt-think-so.html


Can't say I disagree with the mentality.

Neither do I, all SF would have picked up was a 4th rounder. Not worth the risk of losing out on a player they felt was clearly their BPA. Also nice to steal him away from a division rival.