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mightytitan9
04-25-2012, 12:42 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8289665e/article/asante-samuel-agrees-to-threeyear-185m-deal-as-part-of-trade?module=HP11_headline_stack

Good move by the Falcons, holding onto hope...

Asteinebach
04-25-2012, 12:51 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8289665e/article/asante-samuel-agrees-to-threeyear-185m-deal-as-part-of-trade?module=HP11_headline_stack

Good move by the Falcons, holding onto hope...

I think they'll get a 5th round pick for Asante Samuel. Great move by Atlanta, especially getting him to restructure his deal.

Bert Macklin
04-25-2012, 01:03 PM
Not worried

lowlife
04-25-2012, 01:39 PM
That's one rich secondary

Halsey
04-25-2012, 01:57 PM
This move feels very connected to the reasoning for not re-signing Curtis Lofton. I wonder how long this move has been in the works. It seems reasonable that Dimitroff may have been targeting Samuel for a while.

GaMeTiMe
04-25-2012, 02:11 PM
See ya. Good move for Atlanta but I'm not sure there are a lot of Philly fans that mind seeing him go. A corner like Boykin could definitely get a look in the draft but I'm not sure how they feel about Marsh at this point

georgiafan
04-25-2012, 02:14 PM
what round draft pick?

holt_bruce81
04-25-2012, 02:17 PM
I'm honestly not a huge fan of Asante, I think he's kind of an overrated player. But I'm hearing it's for a 6th rounder so I'm pissed the Rams didnt go after him.

holt_bruce81
04-25-2012, 02:17 PM
what round draft pick?

6th round. I think

descendency
04-25-2012, 02:50 PM
6th round pick? I know NE doesn't have a 6th rounder... but man I can't see why we didn't do something.

I know he's not great at much besides picking the ball off, but that's pretty important. I mean Deion Sanders made a Hall of Fame career on it.

ATLDirtyBirds
04-25-2012, 02:55 PM
Obviously, I'm thrilled. While Asante's far from perfect, he's a great fit for what we're trying to do here. Nickle defense has been a massive issue for this team for quite some time, and this can only help.


The question now becomes, what do we do with our nickle situation? It's kind of Eagles-esque in that none of these guys are all that familiar with the position.

If it were my call, Dunta Robinson would move to the nickle. Grimes and Asante are both very good off man guys, so let them do their thing on the outside. Keeping Dunta on the inside will let him be more physical (while not having to worry as much about the deep ball) and snick his nose in the run game to compensate for Asante being an awful run defender.

dunagan15
04-25-2012, 03:10 PM
I really like the move, esp for a 6th rounder. Great start to the draft week.

Complex
04-25-2012, 03:20 PM
6th round pick? I know NE doesn't have a 6th rounder... but man I can't see why we didn't do something.

I know he's not great at much besides picking the ball off, but that's pretty important. I mean Deion Sanders made a Hall of Fame career on it.

Yes that is why Deion made the HOF because of INT numbers.:rolleyes:

ATLDirtyBirds
04-25-2012, 03:49 PM
The Falcons gave up their 7th. Wow.

Monomach
04-25-2012, 04:09 PM
The Falcons gave up their 7th. Wow.

Well, I think it's safe to say that Atlanta gets an A+++ on this one...

Halsey
04-25-2012, 04:11 PM
I've been a Falcon's fan too long to buy this Samuel for a 7th rounder stuff. When's the part that we find out the Falcons also included a 2013 2nd rounder?

eaglesalltheway
04-25-2012, 04:17 PM
Eagles reporting its just a 7th... Good trade for you falcons fans. I would've liked to get more in return, but I have a feeling the Eagles forced their hand too early and lost a lot of leverage. Teams knew he wasn't in their future plans, and only offered these types of deals. I still would have hoped for more than a 7th rounder, but its better than releasing him, which is what was bound to happen if he couldn't be traded. Now we have room to sign guys like Shady, Maclin and DRC if he performs well in his first year as a starter. Shady and Maclin are far more important to the team than Asante is, so if this enables them to get them on for long term deals, this makes sense.

BaLLiN
04-25-2012, 04:25 PM
I don't get it...was this purely for cap reasons for the eagles?

eaglesalltheway
04-25-2012, 04:33 PM
I don't get it...was this purely for cap reasons for the eagles?

They are going to say that, but he also didn't fit in with the press-man they wanted to implement. Those are the two biggest factors, and I'd say they were the majority, if not almost all, of the reason he was traded, and for so little. I'd bet he has about one good season in him yet before he starts really declining, the Eagles are great at knowing when to cut ties with veterans. But even one great season of CB play and however many average seasons the Falcons get out of him is worth a 7th rounder, IMO.

ATLDirtyBirds
04-25-2012, 04:48 PM
I don't get it...was this purely for cap reasons for the eagles?


That, and he was the odd man out of those DBs (Aso and DRC much better man defenders).

mightytitan9
04-25-2012, 05:13 PM
wow, I really woulda thought another team would have offered higher. Unless they did and Asante turned them down by refusing to restructure

eaglesalltheway
04-25-2012, 05:15 PM
Hadn't thought of that, mightytitan, that could very well be possible.

mightytitan9
04-25-2012, 05:19 PM
Hadn't thought of that, mightytitan, that could very well be possible.

That's the only thing I can think of, Asante may have wanted to go to a playoff team and there weren't many to choose from

bigbluedefense
04-25-2012, 05:30 PM
I will say this: Asante Samuel was the Eagles best CB.

I understand that Nmandi and DRC both fit the scheme more, but both are overrated as hell.

Especially Nmandi. Asante Samuel is a better CB than Nmandi Asomugha. This was a mistake by Philly in the short term. Obviously if this means they can sign Maclin and Shady long term, then it's a great move.

But don't let them fool you, they could have signed both Maclin and Shady long term even if they kept Asante for another year. Trading him was irrelevant to anyone other than the owner who pockets that 10 mill, and the 7th rounder who gets selected by the Eagles.

Go_Eagles77
04-25-2012, 06:01 PM
I will say this: Asante Samuel was the Eagles best CB.

I understand that Nmandi and DRC both fit the scheme more, but both are overrated as hell.

Especially Nmandi. Asante Samuel is a better CB than Nmandi Asomugha. This was a mistake by Philly in the short term. Obviously if this means they can sign Maclin and Shady long term, then it's a great move.

But don't let them fool you, they could have signed both Maclin and Shady long term even if they kept Asante for another year. Trading him was irrelevant to anyone other than the owner who pockets that 10 mill, and the 7th rounder who gets selected by the Eagles.
This tells me the eagles are looking to play a strictly man defense, the reason why Nnamdi and DRC looked so bad last year was because they were playing Nnamdi in zone for most of the year (he looked excellent once they realized how stupid that was) and DRC played mainly in the slot, which just isn't his strong suit. I don't think they're going to be the best duo in the league, but they should be more than formidable. Still, I was expecting more than a 7th round pick for Asante.

bigbluedefense
04-25-2012, 06:04 PM
This tells me the eagles are looking to play a strictly man defense, the reason why Nnamdi and DRC looked so bad last year was because they were playing Nnamdi in zone for most of the year (he looked excellent once they realized how stupid that was) and DRC played mainly in the slot, which just isn't his strong suit. I don't think they're going to be the best duo in the league, but they should be more than formidable. Still, I was expecting more than a 7th round pick for Asante.

They absolutely will play more man this year, I agree with that.

But Nmandi wasn't too hot in man coverage last year either. He got burned both in man and zone.

Nmandi was just an overrated player playing in the AFC West, where half the people who swore him to be the 2nd best CB in the league didn't even see him play. Hell, half the games in Oakland were blacked out so even Oakland fans didn't see him play half the time.

And people who are saying "Oh well Samuel is old"...newsflash, Nmandi is 30!

So Samuel is 31 and Nmandi is 30. Is 1 year that much of a difference. If Samuel is washed up, so is Nmandi.

bigbluedefense
04-25-2012, 06:11 PM
To be clear, I firmly believe that Nmandi will have a better season this upcoming year, and I do not think he's a bad CB.

I just don't think he's the top 2 CB he was made out to be. He's a good CB, but he's not a guy I view as "don't throw his way no matter what" CB.

I actually felt that way about Asante, he owned us. But I do not feel that way about Nmandi.

Saints-Tigers
04-25-2012, 06:17 PM
Nmandi was absolutely lights out in Oakland, and one semi rough year in philly won't change that.

Oh, Chase Daniel is going to torch ASSante this year when he tries to jump every route.

bigbluedefense
04-25-2012, 06:19 PM
Nmandi was absolutely lights out in Oakland, and one semi rough year in philly won't change that.

Oh, Chase Daniel is going to torch ASSante this year when he tries to jump every route.

Another Samuel myth. He doesn't jump every route.

Go_Eagles77
04-25-2012, 06:20 PM
To be clear, I firmly believe that Nmandi will have a better season this upcoming year, and I do not think he's a bad CB.

I just don't think he's the top 2 CB he was made out to be. He's a good CB, but he's not a guy I view as "don't throw his way no matter what" CB.

I actually felt that way about Asante, he owned us. But I do not feel that way about Nmandi.

I'll agree with that, I still consider Nnamdi a top 5-10 CB in the league, but unless he regains his old form next year, he shouldn't be considered top 2.

bigbluedefense
04-25-2012, 06:22 PM
I'll agree with that, I still consider Nnamdi a top 5-10 CB in the league, but unless he regains his old form next year, he shouldn't be considered top 2.

I agree. Top 5-10. Really, when we talk CBs, it's Revis and everybody else. He truly is in a league of his own. Best CB I've ever seen since Deion. He really is that good.

Saints-Tigers
04-25-2012, 06:24 PM
Champ had a few seasons where I'd put him above Revis, but Revis has far exceeded my expectations.

I was being facetious by the way, I just wanted to homer out :D

bigbluedefense
04-25-2012, 06:27 PM
Champ had a few seasons where I'd put him above Revis, but Revis has far exceeded my expectations.

I was being facetious by the way, I just wanted to homer out :D

I know, I don't blame you for it. I'd do the same thing.

Champ was a stud for a long while. He was the last great CB before Revis. I'd say Champ and Law were my 2 favorite CBs of the early 2000s.

Bixby (Thumper)
04-25-2012, 06:31 PM
I don't get it...was this purely for cap reasons for the eagles?

The Eagles want to implement more press man coverage with Nnamdi and DRC.

Had the Eagles kept Asante, DRC would've been in no man's land again this year and last year's third round pick Curtis Marsh would've been stuck warming the benches again.

LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin and DRC all have expiring contracts in the next two years and they figure to demand a good amount of cash and the Asante trade takes 7 million off the books this year (about 2 million and some change in dead money) and 11 million off the books next year.

Money and scheme. Plus they had absolutely no leverage.

Go_Eagles77
04-25-2012, 06:32 PM
Now I really hope the eagles draft Brandon Boykin in the 2nd to play nickle (or at least compete with Hanson). He's my 4th favorite CB prospect in the draft and I think he could be a stud nickle/return man at first then eventually replace Nnamdi.

dunagan15
04-25-2012, 06:39 PM
Now I really hope the eagles draft Brandon Boykin in the 2nd to play nickle (or at least compete with Hanson). He's my 4th favorite CB prospect in the draft and I think he could be a stud nickle/return man at first then eventually replace Nnamdi.

Thats who I was hoping the Falcons would target at 55, but obv thats not needed now. Hes gonna be a solid pro if he can stay healthy, unlike his senior year and going into the combine.

Go_Eagles77
04-25-2012, 06:44 PM
Thats who I was hoping the Falcons would target at 55, but obv thats not needed now. Hes gonna be a solid pro if he can stay healthy, unlike his senior year and going into the combine.

Yeah, I am a little worried about his durability, but I think he has Brandon Flowers-like ability and potential.

Bulldogs
04-25-2012, 07:27 PM
How could you not be happy about trading a 7th for a player like Asante? Great move by the Falcons. Now we grab a pass rusher in round 2/3 and I like our defense.

CDCB14
04-25-2012, 07:54 PM
6th round pick? I know NE doesn't have a 6th rounder... but man I can't see why we didn't do something.

I know he's not great at much besides picking the ball off, but that's pretty important. I mean Deion Sanders made a Hall of Fame career on it.

Wait.... what?

LonghornsLegend
04-25-2012, 10:17 PM
To be clear, I firmly believe that Nmandi will have a better season this upcoming year, and I do not think he's a bad CB.

I just don't think he's the top 2 CB he was made out to be. He's a good CB, but he's not a guy I view as "don't throw his way no matter what" CB.

I actually felt that way about Asante, he owned us. But I do not feel that way about Nmandi.


BBD, I guarantee you if he was playing for your team you wouldn't feel the same way about him. Getting him for a 7th is incredible no doubt about it, but he's not a good cover guy in any defense. He plays areas in zone very well, but some games he just gives up catch after catch until he gets a chance to make the pick.


Romo used to destroy him on double moves on the outside with a pump fake to Austin. Half the time they were badly run routes, but it didn't even matter. I don't trust that type of coverage in tough spots. If they still didn't have Dunta Robinson he'd be the guy every team would pick on for the big play.

descendency
04-25-2012, 10:38 PM
Wait.... what?

Deion is in the hall of fame because he could cover anyone and if you threw his way, he was going to pick you off.

Ness
04-25-2012, 11:24 PM
Getting a decent cornerback for a 7th round pick is highway robbery. Good for the Falcons. He's only 31, and probably has a couple of good years left in him. Hopefully they utilize a system that works to his strengths.

Monomach
04-25-2012, 11:53 PM
Balls thrown at Asante Samuel 2010:
46.3% completion percentage, 3.20 yards per attempt, 31.7 passer rating, 14 balls swatted, 7 picks

Balls thrown at Asante Samuel 2011:
47.5% completion percentage, 4.85 yards per attempt, 52.4 passer rating, 10 balls swatted, 3 picks

Talk about how he's bad in run defense (he's truly horrible). Talk about how he's bad at tackling (he's one of the worst in the league). Don't bag on him for his coverage skills, though. That's the one thing he can do, and he does it really well.

Bixby (Thumper)
04-26-2012, 12:30 AM
Now I really hope the eagles draft Brandon Boykin in the 2nd to play nickle (or at least compete with Hanson). He's my 4th favorite CB prospect in the draft and I think he could be a stud nickle/return man at first then eventually replace Nnamdi.

I was hoping for Alfonzo Dennard in the third or early fourth (he'll fall b/c of his latest incident). His ability to press makes him a perfect fit for our scheme and his toughness and instinctive abilities make him a perfect fit for the slot. We've already got Curtis Marsh as Nnamdi's heir apparent on the outside.

Bixby (Thumper)
04-26-2012, 12:31 AM
Balls thrown at Asante Samuel 2010:
46.3% completion percentage, 3.20 yards per attempt, 31.7 passer rating, 14 balls swatted, 7 picks

Balls thrown at Asante Samuel 2011:
47.5% completion percentage, 4.85 yards per attempt, 52.4 passer rating, 10 balls swatted, 3 picks

Talk about how he's bad in run defense (he's truly horrible). Talk about how he's bad at tackling (he's one of the worst in the league). Don't bag on him for his coverage skills, though. That's the one thing he can do, and he does it really well.

Yep, he is one of the best cover corners in the game. Very rarely is he beat. The Falcons got an incredible player for a 7th round pick.

Asteinebach
04-26-2012, 04:45 AM
I know, I don't blame you for it. I'd do the same thing.

Champ was a stud for a long while. He was the last great CB before Revis. I'd say Champ and Law were my 2 favorite CBs of the early 2000s.

I think Woodson, Winfield, and Springs are all in that conversation, too. Best CB's of the 2000's that is.

descendency
04-26-2012, 05:21 AM
Nmandi was just an overrated player playing in the AFC West, where half the people who swore him to be the 2nd best CB in the league didn't even see him play.

I saw him shut down everyone except Randy Moss one year.

Matthew Jones
04-27-2012, 02:20 AM
I can't believe the value Atlanta got for Samuel. That's a great deal.