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BroadwayJoe10
04-25-2012, 08:11 PM
He is according to Mike Mayock and Michael Lombardi; the former being the one who's opinion I highly value.

Both NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Michael Lombardi agreed on Path to the Draft Wednesday night that Syracuse DE Chandler Jones is the best defensive player in the 2012 draft.
"I'm gonna make a statement," said Mayock. "Three years from now, I'm gonna say Chandler Jones is the best defensive player to come out of this draft." Chimed in Lombardi, "I think what Mike Mayock said is right. He is the best defensive player in the draft." Mayock recently bumped Jones to No. 9 overall in his top-100 rankings, and to No. 1 among defensive ends. Lombardi went so far as to suggest Jones could be a top-ten pick. per rotoworld.com


Very bold statement made tonight by Mayock. Should be very interesting to see how things shake up, but it's clear he's got some major upside.

Monomach
04-25-2012, 08:15 PM
I like Jones quite a bit, but the best defensive player in this draft is obviously Kuechly.

gpngc
04-25-2012, 08:20 PM
He said that about ROBERT AYERS two years ago.

I think Chandler Jones is the best DE prospect in this year's draft but there are so many outside factors (team, scheme, work ethic, luck) that will affect his (and the others) careers.

SolidGold
04-25-2012, 08:22 PM
I still cannot understand the hype for this guy...I think he has had the biggest pre draft jump of anyone. I guess he is tyson alualu of 2012.

Off the top of my head Keuchly, Barron, Cox, Ingram are all better than IMO.

Jones has been one of the more baffling risers in recent history.

the decider13
04-25-2012, 08:25 PM
He said that about ROBERT AYERS two years ago.

I think Chandler Jones is the best DE prospect in this year's draft but there are so many outside factors (team, scheme, work ethic, luck) that will affect his (and the others) careers.

I was coming here to bring attention to this. Mayock is pretty solid, but he gets these guys that he way overhypes. Ayers was supposed to be the best defensive player in the draft and he has been extremely underwhelming so far.

draftguru151
04-25-2012, 08:31 PM
Did he happen to say why?

gpngc
04-25-2012, 08:33 PM
To be fair Ayers was drafted to a ******** defense that didn't fit his skillset too well during a time when the organization was being run by idiots.

I used to think the Steelers were the luckiest team in the league because great prospects kept falling to them late in the first round. Then I realized, all these guys turn into great players because of the Steelers great program.

I don't think a prospect has a destiny. I think what situation he's drafted into plays a MAJOR role in how his career unfolds.

onejayhawk
04-25-2012, 08:36 PM
Chandler Jones is OK,but nothing to get excited about. He does not hold a candle to Perry.

Ayers was over rated in much the way Jones is being over rated, but Ayers is better.

J

mightytitan9
04-25-2012, 08:48 PM
I remember months ago I had him in the 3rd round to certain teams, and got ripped for it. Now the same people are saying they want him round 1. Funny how things change.

As for Jones himself, I like him, I really do. But I just don't see it with him, I saw it with JPP a few years ago but I don't see what warrants this guy being regarded as this high. I wouldn't touch him until the 2nd round

People act like he's a physical freak, he's got long arms but that's about it. He isn't overly fast, doesn't have a great first step, doesn't have amazing strength, doesn't have great change of direction, doesn't use his hands all that well.

Finsfan79
04-25-2012, 09:46 PM
Not sure whom is getting more over-rated Chandler Jones or Barron. I have heard barron being called better coming out then Sean Taylor even which is crazy.

keylime_5
04-25-2012, 09:49 PM
Kinda similar to the Jason Pierre-Paul situation. Jones has more upside than any other pass rusher in this draft....and it's not like there is an Eric Berry, Von Miller, or Ndamukong Suh in this draft. Claiborne, Barron, Kuechly, Coples, Cox, and Ingram are nice but they are not guys with the elite upside like the aformentioned few. Jones' skills certainly remind people of an elite DE, his best years are ahead of him.

BallerT1215
04-25-2012, 10:11 PM
Mayock might have hyped Ayers a few years back but...

He is also coming off hyping the crap out of JJ Watt - the first person saying he should be top 10 easy and possible best defensive player in draft last year....and that makes Mr.Mayock look pretty damn good right now in his advice...

Saints-Tigers
04-25-2012, 10:21 PM
I remember months ago I had him in the 3rd round to certain teams, and got ripped for it. Now the same people are saying they want him round 1. Funny how things change.

As for Jones himself, I like him, I really do. But I just don't see it with him, I saw it with JPP a few years ago but I don't see what warrants this guy being regarded as this high. I wouldn't touch him until the 2nd round

People act like he's a physical freak, he's got long arms but that's about it. He isn't overly fast, doesn't have a great first step, doesn't have amazing strength, doesn't have great change of direction, doesn't use his hands all that well.

Show me who ripped you for it, and then wants him in the first round. I want names!

phlysac
04-25-2012, 10:30 PM
Greg Cosell agrees that Jones should go highly.

And he watches tape!!!

mightytitan9
04-25-2012, 10:32 PM
Show me who ripped you for it, and then wants him in the first round. I want names!

Sorry don't have time to mess around looking for that, feel free to look through my old mocks though

tjsunstein
04-25-2012, 10:33 PM
I wont understand this Jones hype. Ive come to terms with it.

BigBanger
04-25-2012, 10:39 PM
Mayock might have hyped Ayers a few years back but...

He is also coming off hyping the crap out of JJ Watt - the first person saying he should be top 10 easy and possible best defensive player in draft last year....and that makes Mr.Mayock look pretty damn good right now in his advice...

Watt was a much different prospect compared to Jones and Ayers. Much more polished and NFL ready. He already had an NFL body with some of the best technique and defensive awareness I've ever seen. Watt was supposed to have a short learning curve. Ayers and Jones are raw prospects with some risk. I haven't seen anything from Jones, but it seems unusually risky for Mayock to hype that much.

mightytitan9
04-25-2012, 10:43 PM
I wouldn't say first person, I was a huge Watt fan and was hyping him since early in the season

descendency
04-25-2012, 10:44 PM
His tape is impressive, but he plays against questionable talent in the Little East.

Bulldogs
04-25-2012, 10:46 PM
Sorry don't have time to mess around looking for that, feel free to look through my old mocks though

Found it. Nobody ripped you, it sounded to me like the guy wasn't sure who Chandler Jones was and just didn't want a DE for his team. He doesn't rip you at all though and doesn't even mention Jones' skillset as for the reason the pick is bad.

Here's the quote:

Vikings do not need a DE in round 3. We already have the problem of trying to get Everson Griffen more playing time with Allen/Robison as starters. Give us Harrison Smith there and it's a great Vikings draft.

mightytitan9
04-25-2012, 10:51 PM
Found it. Nobody ripped you, it sounded to me like the guy wasn't sure who Chandler Jones was and just didn't want a DE for his team. He doesn't rip you at all though and doesn't even mention Jones' skillset as for the reason the pick is bad.

Here's the quote:

Nope, thats not it. I know for a fact one time it was a Ravens fan because I paired him up with his brother Arthur, I can't remember who else it was but It wasn't the Vikings.

Not that it really matters anyways

Bulldogs
04-25-2012, 10:54 PM
Nope, thats not it. I know for a fact one time it was a Ravens fan because I paired him up with his brother Arthur, I can't remember who else it was but It wasn't the Vikings.

Not that it really matters anyways

I'm a man on a mission.

Edit: I don't see it, you went from having him in the 3rd to having him in the 1st in your next one.

Hollywood
04-25-2012, 11:15 PM
Nope, thats not it. I know for a fact one time it was a Ravens fan because I paired him up with his brother Arthur, I can't remember who else it was but It wasn't the Vikings.

Not that it really matters anyways

It does matter! You are a liar and I hereby declare shenanigans! Shenanigans!!!

whatadai
04-25-2012, 11:17 PM
He said that about ROBERT AYERS two years ago.

I think Chandler Jones is the best DE prospect in this year's draft but there are so many outside factors (team, scheme, work ethic, luck) that will affect his (and the others) careers.

He said that about AARON CURRY too.

I see the trend now...never go for that best/can't miss defensive prospect that Mayock hypes up.

gpngc
04-25-2012, 11:18 PM
Why Are We Yelling!?!?

SenorGato
04-25-2012, 11:20 PM
Not sure whom is getting more over-rated Chandler Jones or Barron. I have heard barron being called better coming out then Sean Taylor even which is crazy.

Not Sean Taylor but right with Troy Polamalu...IMO....especially if he ends up with a Ryan or one of those D's in the 20s.

Chandler Jones is interesting. He's got a frame to dream on. Give me Fletcher Cox.

onejayhawk
04-26-2012, 12:58 AM
Why Are We Yelling!?!?

Because Mayock made him angry.

I tend to sympathize.

J

TACKLE
04-26-2012, 01:00 AM
Sure it's a stretch but it's not like there are any dominant defensive talents in this draft so it's not that outrageous.

whatadai
04-26-2012, 02:07 AM
Why Are We Yelling!?!?

Yell Aaron Curry's name and you'll understand. Do it when you're having sex with your significant other too...makes it that much better.

descendency
04-26-2012, 04:39 AM
Not Sean Taylor but right with Troy Polamalu...IMO....especially if he ends up with a Ryan or one of those D's in the 20s.

Chandler Jones is interesting. He's got a frame to dream on. Give me Fletcher Cox.

Can't wait to watch Aaron Hernandez blow by Mark Barron.

AntoinCD
04-26-2012, 04:41 AM
Can't wait to watch Aaron Hernandez blow by Mark Barron.

Can't wait to see Gronk truck Mark Barron

ChiFan24
04-26-2012, 04:59 AM
Can't wait to see the Patriots trade up and draft Mark Barron, just for the comedy.

As for Jones, I don't quite see what some are seeing. I'm definitely intrigued. He's got crazy good genetics, length and good athletic ability. I just don't think it's great athletic ability, which is why I'm confused that he's being projected as a JPP type. He doesn't have that same fluid movement that JPP does, at least not on tape.

Like I said though, definitely intrigued. Enough so that I wouldn't argue with him at #19 overall.

Asteinebach
04-26-2012, 05:01 AM
Yes. Chandler Jones has been hyped up quite a bit. How much of this is because he's got 2 pro athlete brothers? That being said, I buy it. I like the work ethic. I like the frame. All indications say that he's a studious young man. The best defensive player in the draft? No, that's Luke Kuechly. But again, you can understand the hype is created. It isn't going to be an elite defensive draft, and if you can get Chandler in that 18-25 range, he's worth the risk. I know, as a Lions fan, I'd be willing to see Avril traded if we can draft Perry or Jones.

Another thing to remember is that DE is one of those positions that teams usually give time for a player to develop at. Few guys come into the league as dominate as Julius Peppers.

Asteinebach
04-26-2012, 05:02 AM
Yell Aaron Curry's name and you'll understand. Do it when you're having sex with your significant other too...makes it that much better.

This post made me go a big rubbery one.