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mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:00 PM
Well, Gilmore is gone which most thought he would be.

Interesting Cox is still around. Eagles may be looking to trade up.

Bobo
04-26-2012, 08:04 PM
No mo Poe.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Eagles moved up, likely to select Cox.

Seahawks will likely take either Ingram or Upshaw.

Rams are hard to predict, likely Floyd

TitanHope
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
Cox is picture perfect for Wash in Philly. Collapse the pocket and allow Trent Cole and Jason Babin to just swallow the QB as he steps back. Maybe Brandon Graham will finally do something.

Fisher could see his Kenny Britt in Michael Floyd.

As for the Titans, DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, Brockers, Worthy, and the DE's are still in play.

TitanHope
04-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Also, I'm stoked about Jacksonville taking Justin Blackmon.

Bobo
04-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Also, I'm stoked about Jacksonville taking Justin Blackmon.

Me too cause I still don't believe they have a good QB to throw to him lol.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:25 PM
yeah, im not too worried about blackmon

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:30 PM
well if we want DT we may have to go Worthy, I actually had him as my #2 DT so i'd be fine

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:30 PM
wow bruce irvin

Bobo
04-26-2012, 08:35 PM
Worthy would be fine with me. I heard Mayock or someone say earlier that a team told Irvin they would take him in the first round. Kinda surprised, but I think he's the best pure pass rusher in the draft so I guess it just shows how certain things are valued (or overvalued). Like Tanehill going that high. Of course these guys could end up playmakers.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:43 PM
yeah, and Seattle really is a very good fit for him. Carroll reached on Carpenter last year and again this year with Irvin.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:46 PM
if decastro gets past san diego, he may be a titan...

Bobo
04-26-2012, 08:47 PM
No Kirkpatrick.

So we could be looking at DeCastro. Munch talked about not seeing value in a 1st round lineman, but this guy looks really special. Intrigue...

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:49 PM
If Bruce and Munch pass on DeCastro, there's something seriously wrong with him that makes me think he'll bust

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 08:50 PM
Decastro, Jones, Ingram.....

Complex
04-26-2012, 08:51 PM
We are so close guys if anyone knows voodoo stop the bears or chargers from taking DeCastro.

Bobo
04-26-2012, 08:52 PM
There's possibly another reason. They are confident (overconfident?) in their coaching skills. May think they can get good enough results from later round guys. I get the feeling anyway.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:53 PM
If they think DeCastro is an all-pro i don't see them passing.

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 08:54 PM
DeCastro, Jones

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:57 PM
No jones doughboy, o please no jones....

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 08:59 PM
Here it is boys

Complex
04-26-2012, 09:00 PM
Please titans might the right choice.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:01 PM
DeCastro on the clock and likely get a DE/DT round 2!

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:01 PM
DeCastro or maybe trade down.

jojo
04-26-2012, 09:01 PM
Some teams are still managed by amateurs & morons. You know who they are.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:01 PM
don't give into temptation, take the sure thing

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:01 PM
Ugh no trade...and they were in a position to you would think.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:02 PM
so pats move up to get jones, but who did we take?

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:04 PM
suspense is killing

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:04 PM
The pick has been in for 3 minutes...F your commercials!!! lol

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:07 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

WE Suck at life!

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:07 PM
uuuuuuhhhhhh

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
I like Wright, I really do. But passing up DeCastro for him makes me sick. Especially when I was content with WR going into the season

Complex
04-26-2012, 09:11 PM
Why? we extended Hawkins and have Britt,Washington, and Williams.

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:14 PM
More weapons for Locker.... DeCastro is a weapon too...

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:14 PM
Exactly.

Well I'll try to think optimistically here. We pass block well as it is. The next best way to help Locker is with weapons. We can go 3 wide with Cook at TE and have 4 really good targets. Also, CJ has run well out of these packages.

CashmoneyDrew
04-26-2012, 09:14 PM
Fail on so many levels. I'll try to explain better when I'm not in hysterics.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:16 PM
I guess they thought the best thing to help CJ is by opening up the passign game? even though we threw for 4000 last season?

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:16 PM
The picks I hate the most always end up the best. So there is that.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:17 PM
I'm really surprised DeCastro is still there

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:17 PM
The picks I hate the most always end up the best. So there is that.

I think he'll be a good player, but I don't think it was an area of need that will upgrade our team right away like other picks

CashmoneyDrew
04-26-2012, 09:18 PM
Titans need to redeem their failure by trading back into 1st to take DeCastro.

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:23 PM
**** the steelers

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:25 PM
**** the steelers

You said it. Those guys even win in the draft.

islandboy843
04-26-2012, 09:26 PM
Decastro must have AIDS or something

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:29 PM
haha happy for the texans

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:30 PM
Kendall Wright better be Steve Smith part II or imma be pissed.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:31 PM
Wright can make some stuff happen after the catch, which I think seperates him from alot of the "speed" wr's that are vertical threats. He looks like a RB when he has the ball

CashmoneyDrew
04-26-2012, 09:33 PM
I'm probably actually going to write my first ever scathing letter and it's going to be to the Titans FO. Kind of pathetic, but oh well. I hope I don't get banned from LP and BSP. :)

CashmoneyDrew
04-26-2012, 09:37 PM
Remember when we used to beg the Tits to take a WR in the 1st?

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:39 PM
I believe in you Munchak, otherwise I would be taking a massive deuce on your car right now.

islandboy843
04-26-2012, 09:39 PM
Last time we did took one it was Britt so I trust he pick. Finally a REAL vertical threat

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:41 PM
Kendall Wright better be Steve Smith part II or imma be pissed.

Yeah, or Derrick Mason. But we better find a way to use all our weapons. It seemed we had enough even when Britt went down. Even our "blocking" TE has untapped receiving potential imo.

CashmoneyDrew
04-26-2012, 09:41 PM
@jimwyatt: Webster said team considered Decastro at 20 but couldn't pass on Wright's playmaking ability #titans

******* Webster.

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:42 PM
Britt,Wright,Washington, Williams could be one of the better cores in the league...


..but we could have had DeCastro. :(

Complex
04-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Only way to make this up is to cut Amano.

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:50 PM
Cutting Amano makes up for Andre Woolfolk and PacMan.

Bobo
04-26-2012, 09:52 PM
@jimwyatt: Webster said team considered Decastro at 20 but couldn't pass on Wright's playmaking ability #titans

******* Webster.

Yeah but I don't think you can miss with DeCastro, and we need him more than another playmaker imo.

Guess we'll get an o-lineman to "coach up". We should be able to do that better than any team in the league, but there still has to be some talent involved.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 09:52 PM
could washington be on the block? he's one of our highest paid players

Complex
04-26-2012, 09:57 PM
I guess we just extended Lavelle Hawkins makes no sense to pick Kendall Wright.

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 09:58 PM
I guess we just extended Lavelle Hawkins makes no sense to pick Kendall Wright.

I don't think Lavelle has any influence whatsoever on our draft decisions.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:00 PM
we still have williams who we took pretty high and I thought he played pretty well last year

Pit Bull #53
04-26-2012, 10:01 PM
I don't think Lavelle has any influence whatsoever on our draft decisions.

LOL seriously.

Can't have enough play makers.

Complex
04-26-2012, 10:01 PM
I don't think Lavelle has any influence whatsoever on our draft decisions.

Yeah but still why extend a 4th WR now 5th if we are drafting a WR in the 1st.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:05 PM
Well it looks like Branch, Curry, Crick, Worthy, Still, Reyes, Thompson, Winn, Ta'Amu, Upshaw may be available round 2

TitanHope
04-26-2012, 10:05 PM
I'm coming down a bit. There's a lot to like about this, but a lot to dislike as well.

I will say two things:

1) Then the Titans said, "Brb, copying the Packers!"

2) This reeks of the move where we took Michael Griffin in part to block Jacksonville from drafting him. If he's on the board, the Texans probably take Wright over Mercilus.

Pit Bull #53
04-26-2012, 10:05 PM
@Complex
Because you typically carry 5-7 receivers on your roster...

Complex
04-26-2012, 10:11 PM
@Complex
Because you typically carry 5-7 receivers on your roster...

Yeah but we extended a guy that is going to be inactive on gameday plus the draft is deep at WR.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:13 PM
1. Britt
2. Washington
3. Williams
4. *Wright
5. Hawkins
6. Mariani

Am I missing anyone?

Complex
04-26-2012, 10:15 PM
Kendall is going to beat Williams out for 3rd spot but yeah I don't think your missing anyone.

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 10:16 PM
IMO the Blackmon, Floyd and Wright are the only polished WR's in this draft... The other ones are complete shots in the dark (though they are talented)......

Pit Bull #53
04-26-2012, 10:18 PM
Yeah but we extended a guy that is going to be inactive on gameday plus the draft is deep at WR.

Does that small extension hinder our ability to do ANYTHING roster related? So we signed a known quantity for the back end of our roster as opposed to wasting a late round pick to fill the same spot, just for numbers sake. What is the issue here?

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 10:19 PM
Paul Williams is still on the practice squad.... I think.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:20 PM
I'm content now, ready to see what we do with the rest of the draft. I'd heard a lot of rumors about Wright, so I can't say i'm shocked

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:21 PM
Paul Williams is still on the practice squad.... I think.

last i knew he was actually a Texan

DoughBoy
04-26-2012, 10:22 PM
The only pick that would suprise me tomorrow would be a TE. Prepare your anus for Dwayne Allen.

Pit Bull #53
04-26-2012, 10:24 PM
Hoping for a Lavonte David fall tomorrow. Or a DT, maybe an interior OL in the 3rd.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:28 PM
The only pick that would suprise me tomorrow would be a TE. Prepare your anus for Dwayne Allen.

I like Allen, but not for us i hope lol

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:29 PM
Hoping for a Lavonte David fall tomorrow. Or a DT, maybe an interior OL in the 3rd.

I'm really hoping for Curry or Branch.

Pit Bull #53
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
Wouldn't mind either of those as well. 2nd-4th rounds of this draft are good spots to add lineman on either side of the ball.

I like the Wright pick. He is electric, and there can be no shortage of electric playmakers on the field.

stephenson86
04-26-2012, 10:50 PM
Mike Munchak and Bruce Matthews are the two people I trust the most in grading out OL talent and the need to pick it. They will get the right guys in that we need. Wright will be an explosive playmaker at WR in a way that we don't have currently on the roster, Washington is a straight line kind of guy and Britt is a catch and hit kind of guy. If Wright catches the ball in space he will be a nightmare to stop, this kid could MAJORLY open up our passing attack, IMO he is a better Percy Harvin and could be an insanely effective slot man/deep threat.

Exciting pick if you ask me, and area of major need, maybe not but he could have a profound effect on our offense. DeCastro would have been immense but there is still talent to be had and we have two of the greatest ever to judge that.

Kendall Wright, welcome to the team.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 10:55 PM
At this time, passing on DeCastro is sad. But hopefully it becomes less sour as the draft moves along

CashmoneyDrew
04-26-2012, 11:03 PM
ATP might as well sell out this draft towards offense.

TE, FB, OG, OC, possible HB?, 3rd QB to knock that dirty ginger, long-necked freak off of the team...

Via Con Dios DeCastro. You were my favorite player in this draft. I had convinced myself you wouldn't be there for me. But no, you were there, ripe for the picking. But that selfish bastard Webster had to come between us. Maybe...... one day in the future....
__VQX2Xn7tI

RufusMcDaniel
04-26-2012, 11:23 PM
Just watched it....absolutely hate it.

Complex
04-26-2012, 11:24 PM
I am less upset but I feel we could of got Joe Adams later in the draft who does most of the same stuff Wright does. We should just stock up on offense players. Gordy Glenn and Konz are still on the board.

mightytitan9
04-26-2012, 11:32 PM
If you look at recent teams in the superbowl, they all have very good passing attacks and slightly above average offensive lines. Good opportunisitc defenses with good speed and a good scheme that causes turnovers, but gives up yards.

I hate it because I'm a fan of good defensive play and hate how the NFL is going to offense (or has gone) but thats how teams are winning, and have been for the past 5+ years really

Complex
04-27-2012, 12:03 AM
We need pass rushers badly all previous superbowl winners had pass rushers. All we got is Klug and Wimbley.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 12:29 AM
Morgan should be drastically improved, and pass rushers don't have to be 1st round selections.

Tuck was a 3rd rounder and Osi was a 2nd.

I also believe Ayers can add a lot of pass rush ability from the linebacker spot.

When we signed Wimbley, I thought DE might be downgraded and it was.

But either way, there really wasn't a DE worthy of that selection, as I've been saying for months. One thing I really didn't want to do is reach on a pass rusher rouund one, and i'm still glad we didn't
You can argue either way, but you've really got to have a top passing game and top QB for a chance at the superbowl.

If we needed to draft wright to help Locker develop into a great qb, so be it.

Complex
04-27-2012, 12:45 AM
Amini Silatolu[/B], Peter Konz, LaVonte David, or Gordy Glenn, Janoris Jenkins in the 2nd

[B]Nigel Bradham, Bobby Wagner,Kelechi Osemele, Jerel Worthy, Devon Still, Ta'amu, Akiem Hicks, Donte Paige Moss, David Molk, Mike Brewster, Gino Gradkowski, Brandon Washingron, Brandon Boykin, Dwight Bentley, Casey Haward, Jayron Hosley, Cliff Harris, George Iloka, Omar Bolden, Trumain Johnson, and Janzen Jackson any of those guys after the 2nd round. Especially the bolded ones.

The Alex
04-27-2012, 12:51 AM
This is my reaction when the Titans skipped DeCastro.

http://i52.tinypic.com/sl43n5.jpg

This is my reaction when the Steelers picked DeCastro.

http://i46.tinypic.com/27yv7lw.jpg

All of my reactions can be found here:

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52641

Overall, I'm okay with another weapon for Locker but the Titans really broke my heart tonight by skipping on DeCastro.

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 01:15 AM
I like Wright. I like him a lot even. But other than the ungodly potential that Locker, CJ2K, Britt, Wright, and Cook (along with Hands and DWilliams) have, I'm having a hard time buying this.

Is the WR class thin? In a Forum Mock, I drafted Rueben Randle in the 2nd RD for us. I hated how we never gave VY weapons (Would we be as excited about Locker if we knew his #1 WR would be Justin Gage? Nope), and if it was up to me, I'd give Locker every chance to succeed. But this WR class is deeeeeep. Look at who's still left despite 4 WR's going in the 1st: Stephen Hill, Rueben Randle, Mohamed Sanu, Brian Quick, Alshon Jeffery, and a slew of others. We could have taken DeCastro and still have gotten a talented WR in the 2nd Round.

Was Wright BPA? No. He wasn't a reach, but he wasn't this elite prospect that we just couldn't believe fell to us. Hell, he wasn't even the best WR available depending on who you asked (although I think I take Wright over Hill).

Was WR a need? Positionally? No. Is it nice having some insurance behind Britt? Yes. Britt is one bust away from suspension, has a history of leg injuries, whether it's his hammy or ACL, and will be a tough re-sign when he becomes a FA. Having an explosive player that we can count on if he's out is great, and when they're both active and healthy, Wright will be good motivation for Britt to work. But we have our #1 WR in Britt after seeing him dominate last season, Hands has 3 years left (although he probably won't see his last year) and is coming off a 1,000-yard season, and DWilliams flashed plenty of times last year. Why spend a 1st RD'er to add another WR when you have a crop that has both production and potential?

What does this say about Britt's injury? That scares me.

Were there players available who were better values (or at least similar values) AND filled bigger needs? Yes, and at multiple positions. DeCastro and Glenn at OG, Chandler Jones at DE, and Jerel Worthy at DT. It's not like they would have had to reach for need, and in fact, many would say they passed on the steal of the draft in DeCastro. Glenn also grades out higher. A lot of people question Jones, but Scott likes him, Mayock likes him, and Belichick liked him enough to trade up for him despite passing on pass-rushers year after year. Worthy carries a similar value.

Was trading down an option? (PURE SPECULATION FOREVERRRRRR) Since NE traded up to Cincy's spot right after us, I assume it was definitely an option. If we had traded with NE instead, we'd have gotten #27 and a late 3rd RD'er (which is what Cincy got). We could have landed a damn good player at #27 just off of BPA, or since the Vikes traded back into the 1st for #29, it's possible we could have turned #27 into #36 and an early 4th RD'er (which is what the Broncos got). Two 3rds and two 4ths is enough ammo to get a third 2nd RD pick, and to me, the 2nd RD is this draft's money round. Peter Konz, Cordy Glenn, Jerel Worthy, Devon Still, Janoris Jenkins, Lavonte David, Vinny Curry, Andre Branch, Bobby Wagner, Mychal Kendricks, and many more have all ended up in this range, including the WR's listed above. Kendall Wright is bitter sweet when there was even a faint possibility that we could have ended up with a talented WR anyway, only along with Peter Konz and Devon Still.


I'd very much appreciate it if someone could convince me to ignore all that because drafting Wright and putting all the pressure on Jake Locker's arm to win us games is this great idea. Because that's what we're doing, even if we're improving the offense in the process. CJ/OL's struggles and lack of pass-rush were two major killers for us last year, and the only things the FO has done to fix them is add Steve Hutchinson, who may be on his final contract, and Kamerion Wimbley, who has never played DE fulltime in the NFL.

I feel like a spoiled brat criticizing our FO, especially after they pulled in the best draft in the NFL last season, and this isn't to say Wright was a bad pick. He's a good player and was worth the 20th pick. But it's hard to rationalize taking a WR because he was a playmaker when they seemingly had all these better options available. We've developed a single philosophy it seems, and that is to outscore the opposing team and hope we have enough pieces on defense to take advantage of playing with the lead, and we have to do this through the passing game since unless Hutchinson has a Mawae-esque renaissance, CJ will be inconsistent again.

Just really hoping for a stellar day tomorrow. If we can land Konz, Worthy, Still, or Vinny Curry, I'll be happy and quit complaining. A different DE would slow me down too. But I think I'll be bummed even if we pick CB or WLB. Highly doubt any of the OG's are on their radar in the 2nd, especially after nonchalantly passing on the best OG prospect in years.

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2012, 01:49 AM
Agreed on all points TH, except I preferred Stephen Hill over Wright.

Like I've said, might as well go mostly offensive for the rest of the draft since it seems like the FO plan seems to be we just score, score, score. In the second round I'd like to see Konz or Cordy Glenn. If not them then a #2 TE would be swell. I mean, if you're gonna use a 1st on a 3rd WR, why not use a 2nd on a number 2 TE? Especially in a league where their role is growing. I actually wouldn't even mind trading up in the second a bit if we could land Fleener. But I also wouldn't even mind Orson Charles or Dwayne Allen.

Chad Diehl at Fullback would be a nice upgrade later in the draft.

At D-Line, I'd rather just wait until the 5th round area to take a guy like Bequette, Fugger, or Malik Jackson at this point as I'm not high on any ends really left. At tackle we'd obviously consider a few guys like Still or Worthy in the second, but Mike Martin and Jaye Howard in the 3rd or 4th would be ideal for me.

If Lavonte David is off the board for our second rounder, might as well look to another position for the next couple of picks until the guys like Spence or Bradham have better value.

At corner, I'd rather wait until the fourth to take a guy like Hosley or Bolden.

Safety.......... meh. This class is terrible. No need to really waste a pick in this class, IMO.

Unfortunately I saw where Munchak told Jim Wyatt that they'd be mostly focusing on defense for the rest of the draft, so overall I'll probably just be down on this draft. (Hopefully they prove me wrong, though!)

Bobo
04-27-2012, 02:20 AM
Who's maddest about this? I'll tell you who. Nate Washington, lawl. Everytime talk comes up about adding WR's, Nate says "No! We're good!"

Hasslebeck threw for almost 3,600 w/o Britt for the vast majority of the year. With Britt getting the reps instead of Williams/The Hawk, Hasslebeck looks even better. Britt has 2 years on his contract, Nate has 3. I'm not worried about Britt being ready for this year. I don't see how this can fit a need, but I don't hate the pick at all...we just BETTER USE IT!!!!

We gotta run a lot of 3-4 wide sets. You almost have to be a sling it around type team now, right? I trust Hasslebeck pretty well here. I like giving Locker weapons, but is he ever gonna be a guy who can throw for 4,000 like Matt has? We do pass protect well (even if Amano and Harris still start), so that's a plus.

Now we saw them waste talent last year...Ayers pass rush ability. They hardly ever rushed him, and they even said how they failed to use his ability enough. Even when we were on path to be about as bad as you could get at rushing the passer. Imo he was not even worth a 2nd rounder w/o that ability.

So the moral of the story is : don't waste these pics TN, have smart plans to put them to use. Don't take BPA and have no damn clue what to do with them.

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 07:02 AM
You wanna know the worst thing - THE WORST THING - about taking Wright this year? NO JUSTIN HUNTER NEXT YEAR!

I'll take Shattered Dreams for $200, Alex.

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 07:27 AM
Now we saw them waste talent last year...Ayers pass rush ability. They hardly ever rushed him, and they even said how they failed to use his ability enough. Even when we were on path to be about as bad as you could get at rushing the passer. Imo he was not even worth a 2nd rounder w/o that ability.

The main reasons they brought in Ayers were not only because of his pass-rushing ability, but also his ability to set the edge in the running game. Before him, we didn't have that SLB who could do that, and it's an important aspect of defense. You get sealed on the edge by the TE or OT, then the RB has space to rip. But if you set the edge and turn the TE or OT back into the RB's alley, then the RB has to slow down and the rest of the defense can close in.

I haven't read up (unless someone here said it and now it's just subconciously on my mind), but I think the reason Ayers wasn't used to blitz often was because of his inexperience. They probably didn't want to overload him with learning all the coverage schemes, blitz packages, and his other assignments. It's hard for a rookie to learn all that while being a fulltime starter and having to acclimate to the speed of the NFL. Ayers probably would have rushed the passer a whole lot more if was a reserve who came in on passing situations and other specialized situations, like the 49ers did with Aldon Smith. Unfortunately, he was our best OLB as soon as he first stepped on the field as Baptist Sports Park.

You have a great point about utilizing all of the talent at our disposal though. Currently though, I think our holes and weaknesses kind of dictates how we use it. As the team gets better as a whole, we'll be able to better use the individual players since we'll no longer be forced to keep a guy doing this in order to compensate for another guy's inability to do that.

The Wright pick, like the Julio Jones pick for the Falcons last year, won't be judged on his stats. Like Julio has to share catches with Roddy White, Wright will share with Britt. How he'll be judged is the offense as a whole and the team's record. If having Wright on the field is making a noticable improvement in the offense, and that improvement is leading to winning games, then it's a beautiful pick regardless of Wright fulfilling his individual potential.

DoughBoy
04-27-2012, 09:00 AM
You guys are debbie downers. If Wright becomes a good player, not one of us will give a single **** about DeCastro... Atleast thats what I tell myself.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 10:33 AM
Wrights a good player, he was clearly the number 3 WR in this class. All those that like anyone else are basing it off potential. Could the Titans grabbed DeCastro and then grabbed another WR round 2? Probably, but it would have been a greater difference than people think.

On offensive line, since passing on DeCastro I'm not sure we address it until round 4. Munch said we wouldn't take an OL first round because "the first round is for tackles and we're set there" and I always wanted to add the 'yeah, but....' I guess he was serious and it didn't matter who was there, he wasn't taking him.

If Wright had been gone would the Titans have taken DeCastro? After hearing some reaction and reading some things, I'm not even sure about that

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2012, 10:44 AM
TH, are you watching the 2nd and 3rd round live tonight? I'm probably gonna miss the first 45ish minutes due to work. I was gonna see if you would mind texting me the more interesting picks. :)

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 10:46 AM
It really looks like 3 teams from our division are trying to build for the future and build around their QB.

The Titans have Locker and grabbed Wright. The Jags have Gabbert and signed Robinson and drafted Blackmon. The Colts just got their QB, and it will be interesting to see whether they try to provide more talent on the line or in forms of receivers early.

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 12:13 PM
TH, are you watching the 2nd and 3rd round live tonight? I'm probably gonna miss the first 45ish minutes due to work. I was gonna see if you would mind texting me the more interesting picks. :)

I got ya covered man! Providing I don't pass out from exhaustion by then. It's not even technically finals week at Chatt State yet, but I had one final yesterday and was just up all night last night completing a project for a second class that had to be in by noon today, and then I have a massive project for the first class due tomorrow at midnight, followed by the final in the second class on Monday and then the project presentation for the first class on Thursday...I think.

Also, LL really digs our Wright pick. That makes me happy.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 01:08 PM
Chad Reuters saying we are one of 3 losers in round 1. The Cowboys and the 49ers are the others.

People are acting like Wright is only a vertical threat, but he can catch a short pass and make things happen. He's like a RB with the ball in his hands.

To me, Wright truly was the 2nd best player on the board behind DeCastro. According to Mayock, Wright was #16 overall and DeCastro was the #24 prospect. They're ripping us for not taking Chandler Jones and Mercilus, but I really never felt either of those two were worthy of the #20 spot.

Say what you want about the pick, but I don't think it warrants us being a draft loser

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 01:19 PM
Chad Reuters has the right to his opinion, and that's mainly because I've never even heard of Chad Reuters.

RufusMcDaniel
04-27-2012, 01:33 PM
I'll be honest, I would be fine with Wright if Decastro wasn't there. Mainly because I really didn't want anyone else in the first round.

But hey, I hated the Chris Johnson pick as well...so maybe it'll work out.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 01:33 PM
I hadn't until the past week lol, he's a writer for nfl.com

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 01:37 PM
I'll be honest, I would be fine with Wright if Decastro wasn't there. Mainly because I really didn't want anyone else in the first round.

But hey, I hated the Chris Johnson pick as well...so maybe it'll work out.

this reminds me a lot of the chris johnson pick. I liked Chris Johnson and had heard rumors we would select him, but I remember always saying "but we don't need a RB, we have good enough ones in LenDale White and maybe Chris Henry will show up". We had a lot bigger needs at that point in time, but CJ2K has helped us win ALOT of games

Needless to say, I think he'll be a good player and show why he was the best pick possible

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 01:46 PM
I was so mad about the Chris Johnson pick, I punched my prom date.

Bobo
04-27-2012, 02:08 PM
The main reasons they brought in Ayers were not only because of his pass-rushing ability, but also his ability to set the edge in the running game.

I haven't read up (unless someone here said it and now it's just subconciously on my mind), but I think the reason Ayers wasn't used to blitz often was because of his inexperience. They probably didn't want to overload him with learning all the coverage schemes, blitz packages, and his other assignments.


I'm still not spending a high 2nd on a LB just to set the edge. He wasn't used much in nickle. I also thought maybe they didn't want to put to much on his plate, but it was actually Munch or Gray (maybe both) who said in an article half way through the season that they needed to use his pass rush ability more, yet they still didn't do it. And the easiest thing they could have told him to do was put his hand down and rush the passer.

If they use Ayers skillset to it's potential this year, I'll be relieved, but it's easy to see why anyone would be a bit concerned.

Now with all we've invested in receiving threats (two 1sts, a 2nd, Nate's contract, trading a 2nd and spending a 3rd to get Cook), if we don't sling the ball around a lot, how are we going to get a good return on our investment? I didn't think of the Titans turning into the Colts or Texans, but they are sure building the team that way. I guess we won't be the old Titans that I love, but we better have a legit plan for a new direction and be able to utilize it.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 02:18 PM
I really liked Ayers, and after watching him early in the process I wanted him as our 1st round pick. So to get him in the 2nd was a thrill for me.

This guy can do it all, set the edge, pass rush from the OLB and DE positions, drop into coverage. The problem I remember hearing is that he's not a real bright guy and they said he could have trouble learning a playbook.

This is why at UCLA he often was told to rush the passer and make plays. I'm just hoping he's not LaVar Arrington dumb

Bobo
04-27-2012, 02:23 PM
How we utilize the pick and the direction the team is heading talk aside, I like Wright as a player. I only saw a little of him before the draft, but now I've seen and read a lot more and he looks worthy of being selected there. So when the Titans say he was their highest rated guy left on the board, I trust that.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 02:31 PM
Now with all we've invested in receiving threats (two 1sts, a 2nd, Nate's contract, trading a 2nd and spending a 3rd to get Cook), if we don't sling the ball around a lot, how are we going to get a good return on our investment? I didn't think of the Titans turning into the Colts or Texans, but they are sure building the team that way. I guess we won't be the old Titans that I love, but we better have a legit plan for a new direction and be able to utilize it.

We threw for over 4000 yards last season, not like we didn't sling it last season. We just didn't have much of a vertical threat. We were only 18th in avg, the lowest of any team in the top 12 in yards

Complex
04-27-2012, 03:36 PM
Amini Silatolu or Jenkins today por favor.

Yeah I was so upset over the Chris Johnson pick mainly because we drafted 2 2nd round RB's and I actually like LenDale at USC.

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 04:12 PM
We are 100% going through a philosophy change. We saw it a little last year, but at the time it seemed forced since Hass and Britt were putting up massive numbers and CJ was struggling. I figured they were just going with it: if you sell out for CJ, we'll sling it around and score through the air.

We're going to be a pass-first team soon, and it'll be by choice this time. I said earlier it felt like we were being copycats of the Packers. Wright is our Jennings, Britt is our Jordy, Damian is our Driver, Hands is our James Jones, Cookie is our Jermichael Finley, and we got nobody for Randall Cobb (Man their receiving corps is deep). Lavelle Hawkins plays by himself in the corner until he needs to randomly catch a crucial 3rd down pass, while Marc Mariani inexplicably takes a KR to the house but somehow later struggles to outrun a LB on offense. I've repeatedly seen Locker compared to Aaron Rodgers before too, but it's more as a "completely fulfills potential" kinda comparison.

Factor in our OL being amazing in protection (and their hesitation to mess with it apparently) and drafting a WR in the 1st, and it seems that the coaches are tipping their hand. If they wanted to re-establish our ground and pound identity, then DeCastro is probably the pick. That's a simple fix, and combining him with Hutch sets up the run game perfectly. But since they passed and took a WR, it makes it appear that they think the passing game is much more important than the running game, so they choose to bolster it, even if it means letting the run game stay a liability. They want to be a passing team.

This is going to be the Locker show, whether for good or for bad. CJ2K is now a support piece. But if Locker becomes what he should, then this offense is petrifying.

Also, since this hasn't really been pointed out yet (unless I missed it, but I think Mighty brought up some individual points), but Kendall Wright is absolutely, positively perfect for Palmer's offensive scheme. There's a lot of WCO stuff, but he also incorporates the deep passing game (and I believe plenty of P/A stuff too). This is why Wright is a better fit for us than Stephen Hill. Wright is a playmaker with the ball in his hand, so those short WCO slants will be money, and when Locker unleashes his (gorgeous) deep ball, Wright has the speed to get downfield and torch the defense.

Bobo
04-27-2012, 04:19 PM
We threw for over 4000 yards last season, not like we didn't sling it last season. We just didn't have much of a vertical threat. We were only 18th in avg, the lowest of any team in the top 12 in yards

So with a healthy Britt and another 1st round WR, how much production should we expect? Yeah we did 4,000...w/o Britt and Wright. With them, Nate, Cook, Williams, and Hawk, wouldn't you expect to go from 12 to at least top 5 with all we've invested? We'll need to sling it a lot more, the top 5 teams had 1,000-1,500 yards more.

Just getting Britt back I expect to jump up, but if we aren't at least a top 5 passing team, I'll be disappointed. This team has now been built to be a top passing team, I'm just a bit surprised by it, and I wonder how solid our plan is. We don't have Breese, Brady, Rodgers, etc either. We better hope our QB's can deliver.

But don't get me wrong, with this roster I'm excited to think of us as a top passing team with CJ having more room to run. It's not old school Titans ball, but I can accept change. I just hope we have a good plan for it.

Pit Bull #53
04-27-2012, 06:47 PM
Was Wright BPA? No. He wasn't a reach, but he wasn't this elite prospect that we just couldn't believe fell to us. Hell, he wasn't even the best WR available depending on who you asked (although I think I take Wright over Hill).

This part I just can't get on board with (unless you are talking about your own personal rankings, then I can see what you're saying, although it's not really relevant in the grand scheme of things). You say that Wright wasn't BPA, and yet later say that we didn't have a glaring need at WR... well, those are the two things that cause teams to pull the trigger on guys. They are either drafting who they believe to be the best player left, or they're drafting to fill a roster hole. I think most of us would agree that WR wasn't a huge, glaring need, so SOMETHING caused them to pick him - I think it's pretty clear they held him in higher regard than the other players left on board and had him as the BPA.

We as fans are all guilty of complaining about past picks being reaches just to fill needs, yet on this occasion it appears that they did not reach to fill need - they took who their board dictated. It might not have been who we thought was the best player left, but I think most signs point to him being the best player they thought was left, and I at least have gotta give em props for that.

I loved DeCastro as a player, but really, I can't get too upset about passing on a Guard. I think the Steelers have enough dynamic play makers at multiple levels and on both sides of the ball to get away with drafting a Guard in rd 1. I don't believe that we have enough difference makers to pass one up if we believe one is staring us in the face.

I do agree with you about an offensive philosophy change with our new staff though, and personally, I like it, although I do prefer hard nosed defensive football. But things are a-changin'.

Bobo
04-27-2012, 07:23 PM
Looks like Mighty was right, we have d-line options a plenty here, more than I thought. Curry? Still? Worthy? Thompson? Trade back a bit? lol

Complex
04-27-2012, 07:33 PM
At least our LB's have the potential to be great.

Bobo
04-27-2012, 07:36 PM
I'm ok with Brown, but I wanted Still.

Anyone see much of Brown? Supposedly good against the pass. Can he rush the passer? I assume so with 5.5 sacks this year, but I really haven't paid much attention to him.

islandboy843
04-27-2012, 07:38 PM
More Athlete than a player. He is very fast and is great in coverage

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2012, 07:43 PM
I don't hate the pick, but I would have preferred a bunch of other players.

islandboy843
04-27-2012, 07:46 PM
I guess he will be great covering the middle and the TE for us. Which we really needed

Bobo
04-27-2012, 07:48 PM
More Athlete than a player. He is very fast and is great in coverage

That's what I'm afraid of. Sounds like many LB busts we've had lately.

DoughBoy
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
We got destroyed underneath last season...This is a great pick IMO.

Pit Bull #53
04-27-2012, 07:57 PM
LaVonte David and Jerel Worthy were the two players I really wanted. Obviously Worthy got snatched up 1 pick before us, and Zach Brown was my next rated LB after David, so I do like the pick.

Its obvious what we want to do - pass the ball on offense, stop the pass on defense. The first two picks make that clear.

Pit Bull #53
04-27-2012, 08:05 PM
Jim Wyatt ‏ @jwyattsports
Titans DC Jerry Gray said Brown will have a chance to compete for playing time early

John Glennon ‏ @glennonsports
Gray refutes idea that Brown isn't physical. Says his role at UNC was to run, chase, track players down. #Titans

Terry McCormick ‏ @terrymc13
Zach Brown was a prep wrestling champ, went 27-0. Jerry Gray on Mayock "allergic to contact" quote: I bet he won't get in the ring with him.

Complex
04-27-2012, 08:07 PM
I like when football players are wrestling champs.

DoughBoy
04-27-2012, 08:10 PM
Its not like we will be asking him to take on blocks. Ayers is the bull, McCarthy works through the trash, Zach Brown is gonna play in space...that is all we need him to do.

Pit Bull #53
04-27-2012, 08:13 PM
Couldn't agree more. The hope is a Keith Bulluck clone.

DoughBoy
04-27-2012, 08:24 PM
If we got Jared Crick in this round I may cry.

islandboy843
04-27-2012, 08:27 PM
How the Colts are picking im glad we got Brown now.

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
Some options for the 3rd that I like...
- Orson Charles, TE, UGA
- Brandon Washington, OG, Miami
- Ben Jones, OC, UGA
- Jaye Howard, DT, Florida

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Brown reminds me a lot of Keith Bulluck but not as good in pass protection but he should improve there.

Don't hate the pick, but I liked David better. Disappointed to pass on Curry as well, of course he went to the Eagles and will be a beast in the wide 9

Pit Bull #53
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
I like the idea of nabbing an interior lineman in the 3rd. Either side of the ball will work.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
I'm hoping for Crick, or Ta'Amu is available as well right?

Luck is very comfortable with the TE's, so they're building there first. I like Allen, but I think Fleener will bust

DoughBoy
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Some options for the 3rd that I like...
- Orson Charles, TE, UGA
- Brandon Washington, OG, Miami
- Ben Jones, OC, UGA
- Jaye Howard, DT, Florida

Umm where is Jared Crick on your list? You are dead to me.

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2012, 08:59 PM
He can be had in the 4th/5th. Don't reach Doughie!!!

Complex
04-27-2012, 09:07 PM
I kind of want that Michigan Center Molk? in the 4th

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2012, 09:20 PM
Meh, kinda wanted Howard but oh well.

DoughBoy
04-27-2012, 09:24 PM
So...what kind of black is that guy?

Pit Bull #53
04-27-2012, 09:25 PM
Hit the right position imo, I just don't know anything about the player really. Watched a Michigan game or two early in the year but I wasn't looking for him or any players in particular really. Hope he's a good player.. we've got several Michigan fans on this site, maybe we can get some input from them.

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2012, 09:28 PM
Seems pretty similar to Jurrell Casey.

TitanHope
04-27-2012, 09:38 PM
Martin may be my favorite pick yet. Somewhere, Sniper is grinning from ear to ear.

I'ma goin to bed. See you guys tomorrow for the best part!

4th RD! 4th RD! 4th RD! 4th RD! 4th RD!

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 10:10 PM
Could have done worse than Martin, I'm disappointed Akiem Hicks is off the board now.

Got to wonder if Ta'Amu and Crick are still on the board or not. Adding inside guys is great, but we do need some outside pass rush too.

I think Molk is going to be their 5th round. Malik Johnson is interesting in the 4th, as is Markelle Martin

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 10:10 PM
Seems pretty similar to Jurrell Casey.

My thoughts too, little quick though IMO

Bobo
04-27-2012, 10:34 PM
I'm gonna have to watch Martin again. I thought he looked pretty good before but maybe didn't use his athleticism enough because he didn't read and react very quickly. Maybe the scheme had something to do with it, just gotta revisit the tape.

I was thinking he may be like Trevor Laws.

mightytitan9
04-27-2012, 10:37 PM
I just worried because it seems like he got by more on poor offensive line play than his own ability. He got them off balance and would make them pay, or simply overpower/ over athleticism them. it's hard to do that in the NFL

RufusMcDaniel
04-28-2012, 12:13 AM
Yay a Michigan player on Tennessee finally! Well we have Hutchinson too...finally, championship here we come.

mightytitan9
04-28-2012, 12:41 AM
hopefully we grab molk later.

seems like munch and the titans staff have a way they want to do things, develop speed at the skill positions and get tough, hard working blue collar guys on the line

DoughBoy
04-28-2012, 11:59 AM
I've seen Coty play a few times and he was impressive. Idk he was even in this draft though lol.

CashmoneyDrew
04-28-2012, 12:03 PM
Not a fan of Clemson players in general, but he definitely has the athletic ability.

CashmoneyDrew
04-28-2012, 01:29 PM
Really digging the Taylor Thompson pick. Freaky athlete. Great size. And most importantly, we can cut Daniel Graham's worthless ass.

islandboy843
04-28-2012, 01:32 PM
Never heard of him but when i saw his physical stats i jizzed

islandboy843
04-28-2012, 01:33 PM
This year we are really changing our team to be more athletic and gritty

DoughBoy
04-28-2012, 01:36 PM
That is one sexy man.

TitanHope
04-28-2012, 03:26 PM
Just got up, and first reaction is... Who names their kid "Coty?"

TitanHope
04-28-2012, 03:53 PM
Markelle Martin in the 6th is just good business.

Bobo
04-28-2012, 03:59 PM
Don't know much about Coty, but he has decent speed and measurables. Good # of passes defended.

The TE seems like Cook. He played DE so maybe he's tuff and can block. But supposedly was just moved to TE and didn't catch a pass? Kinda surprised we have to give up any pick to get a guy like that.

Martin seems like a steal now, I thought he coulda been a 3-4th.

I was hoping we might try to get Frank Alexander, but he went higher than expected. And no Mother Fugger lol. We certainly didn't load up for pass rush, hope we can get a lot better with what we got.

DoughBoy
04-28-2012, 04:02 PM
We is gunna trade for Osi.

DoughBoy
04-28-2012, 04:02 PM
and our draft class may not be the sexiest, but is sure as hell is one of the fastest.

Bobo
04-28-2012, 04:14 PM
and our draft class may not be the sexiest, but is sure as hell is one of the fastest.

We've been duped by speed before. Not trying to put down these guys, just saying.

We is gunna trade for Osi.

He's getting older, and had an injury last year (not sure what but I think he missed like half the season), but if he looks healthy, he could be a big contributor to the pass rush.

CashmoneyDrew
04-28-2012, 04:15 PM
Maybe we can pick up a couple of good UDFAs like Fugger and Sean Richardson, and then trade for Osi. That'd be neat.

Bobo
04-28-2012, 04:22 PM
Wouldn't surprised if Fugger is drafted in the 7th. And if he goes after 20, I may be a bit ticked lol.

I think the rumor is the Giants wanted a 3rd for Osi...offer a 5th and see where it goes from there.

mightytitan9
04-28-2012, 05:05 PM
Sensabuagh is a good player, but too high. I haven't been able to follow really closely today, but are David Molk and Michael Brewster still available?

mightytitan9
04-28-2012, 05:06 PM
Markelle Martin in the 6th is just good business.

Absolute steal. I was thrilled

mightytitan9
04-28-2012, 05:07 PM
damn there goes molk

TitanHope
04-28-2012, 05:30 PM
Was Wright BPA? No. He wasn't a reach, but he wasn't this elite prospect that we just couldn't believe fell to us. Hell, he wasn't even the best WR available depending on who you asked (although I think I take Wright over Hill).

This part I just can't get on board with (unless you are talking about your own personal rankings, then I can see what you're saying, although it's not really relevant in the grand scheme of things). You say that Wright wasn't BPA, and yet later say that we didn't have a glaring need at WR... well, those are the two things that cause teams to pull the trigger on guys. They are either drafting who they believe to be the best player left, or they're drafting to fill a roster hole. I think most of us would agree that WR wasn't a huge, glaring need, so SOMETHING caused them to pick him - I think it's pretty clear they held him in higher regard than the other players left on board and had him as the BPA.

We as fans are all guilty of complaining about past picks being reaches just to fill needs, yet on this occasion it appears that they did not reach to fill need - they took who their board dictated. It might not have been who we thought was the best player left, but I think most signs point to him being the best player they thought was left, and I at least have gotta give em props for that.

I loved DeCastro as a player, but really, I can't get too upset about passing on a Guard. I think the Steelers have enough dynamic play makers at multiple levels and on both sides of the ball to get away with drafting a Guard in rd 1. I don't believe that we have enough difference makers to pass one up if we believe one is staring us in the face.

I do agree with you about an offensive philosophy change with our new staff though, and personally, I like it, although I do prefer hard nosed defensive football. But things are a-changin'.

I wanted to answer this last night, but wouldn't have been able to do so well.

When I go off BPA, I usually take from my board and several other different boards from guys I trust, from guys like TACKLE to Mayock. If the Titans believe Wright was the BPA, then that's fine. I had him as a late 1st. I myself can't then get behind it just because the Titans think it.

When it comes to determining value when it comes to personal rankings, I think one team taking a guy doesn't validate his value. Rather, I think it's when multiple teams keep passing on a guy and he falls out of the 1st and further. That's when we go, "Well, obviously they know something we don't."

People are arguing that Bruce Irvin was a proper value because 2-3 other teams had him as a 1st RD'er. But how many teams didn't think Irvin was a 1st RD'er? If it's more than the number of teams who thought he was a 1st, then who is right? Caddy said it great in this thread (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52675) and worded what I wanted to last night. If we are to go by the selecting team's big board and place value based on it, then there's never such a thing as a reach.

And this is a really tricky argument because, even if a guy is BPA, and it could be unanimous, the guy could still flop just because things happen. And it's not a bad thing for a team to follow's it's own board, like you said. I'd rather the FO listen to it's coaches and scouts instead of Todd McShay. The Titans FO has certainly made me feel stupid before.

This reminds me of the CJ pick. We have a ton of potential at WR, but not much production, which is what we had at RB then. We talked about attributing value, but they both went about the same range in a draft where their position was deep. But what's sticking out to me is Munch saying they couldn't resist Wright's playmaking ability, because Fisher said something similar when we took CJ. Fish said we wanted a guy who could score TD's. It appears the Titans value playmakers like draftniks value pass-rushers, which is what you said about never having enough playmakers earlier.

I just can't shake the feeling of an ulterior motive in drafting Wright, even considering the philosophy change, and I have to wonder if this is the something that induced the pick. Whether it's Britt's knee, iffy plans on re-signing Britt, cutting Nate Washingto next offseason when his salary jumps to like 4 million+, or giving up on Damian Williams ever becoming more than a slot WR. We have our best WR corps in a decade, and this deep is sooo deep at the position. It's hard for me to wrap my head around them being adamant that they need this one guy added to our group. But then again, I wondered why the Packers took Jordy when they had Jennings, Driver, and Jones, and now he's their best WR, in my opinion.

TitanHope
04-28-2012, 05:38 PM
Absolute steal. I was thrilled

Agreed. Hands down. He's a FS too, so this fits into Pitbull talking about a defensive philosophy of focusing on stopping the pass.

Babineaux, Griffin, Martin, Robert Johnson, and Anthony Smith (if Smith is still under contract - not sure). All are free safeties.

Bobo
04-28-2012, 06:03 PM
So did we trade a future pick to get into the 7th and get DE Scott Solomon? 5.0 40 and didn't care to run another at his Pro Day. Not solely judging him by that of course, but I've read front office guys/scouts say they like seeing a guy try to do better at his Pro Day. Oh well, maybe I can find some film to look at.

But we coulda had that Mother Fugger :( So close.

CashmoneyDrew
04-28-2012, 06:03 PM
Anthony Smith isn't under contract.

CashmoneyDrew
04-28-2012, 06:04 PM
So did we trade a future pick to get into the 7th and get DE Scott Solomon? 5.0 40 and didn't care to run another at his Pro Day. Not solely judging him by that of course, but I've read front office guys/scouts say they like seeing a guy try to do better at his Pro Day. Oh well, maybe I can find some film to look at.

But we coulda had that Mother Fugger :( So close.

Gave up a 6th in next year's draft.

mightytitan9
04-28-2012, 06:19 PM
Agreed. Hands down. He's a FS too, so this fits into Pitbull talking about a defensive philosophy of focusing on stopping the pass.

Babineaux, Griffin, Martin, Robert Johnson, and Anthony Smith (if Smith is still under contract - not sure). All are free safeties.

He reminds me alot of early Michael Griffin. He's not afraid to hit.

Babineaux will play SS for us, but has a history of FS so he's a clear upgrade over Hope at SS in my opinion.

I'm still anxious to see what we intend to do with Campbell

mightytitan9
04-28-2012, 06:21 PM
So did we trade a future pick to get into the 7th and get DE Scott Solomon? 5.0 40 and didn't care to run another at his Pro Day. Not solely judging him by that of course, but I've read front office guys/scouts say they like seeing a guy try to do better at his Pro Day. Oh well, maybe I can find some film to look at.

But we coulda had that Mother Fugger :( So close.

He's one that I mentioned could be late round steals. Real good production, not overly athletic but a blue collar hard worker that could make the team

mightytitan9
04-29-2012, 01:11 AM
My 2012 Titans draft grade:

1) WR Kendall Wright 5'10" 196 Baylor - Grade: A-
I had his as my second best player on the board. Based on our draft, it indicates we really didn't think O-Line needed an upgrade in personnel. After this selection, I carefully watched David DeCastro (I had watched him play, but had never actually scouted him prior to this) and was fairly unimpressed.

2) LB Zach Brown 6'1" 244 NC - Grade: B+
Brown is a hard player to grade, he has extreme ability but wasn't much of a hitter and didn't do all that well in coverage. Was it the player or scheme? This is something we'll find out soon. With this selection we should have a great LBer threesome for years to come. This drastically upgrades the speed on defense and he can hopefully matchup with the TE's in the division. I give it a B+ based on the fact that Vinny Curry, my favorite DE in the whole class was sitting there and we passed. I also prefer LaVonte David to Brown.

3) DT Mike Martin 6'1" 306 Michigan - Grade: B+
Martin is a good selection, he reminds me of a perfect mix of Jurrell Casey and Karl Klug. He's a high motor guy with Caseys stuffing ability and Klugs pass rushing ability. With that said, it would have been nice to grab a big DT and not another short one with a frame maxed out at 305.

4) DB Coty Sensabaugh 5'11" 189 Clemson -Grade: C+
Sensabaugh has elite athletic ability, but I can't help but think it was a full round higher than he should have been. I also had several CBs way high on my list. Hopefully Gray saw something in him.

5) TE/DE Taylor Thompson 6'6" 259 SMU - Grade: D-
Is he a TE or a DE? Right now, only the Titans know. He has really good numbers, at 6'6" 260 ran in the 4.5s with a 37" vertical. I think I'd prefer him at DE but I get the feeling he'll be a TE. I really disliked this pick because we moved up to get him.

6) FS Markelle Martin 6'1" 207 Oklahoma State - Grade: A+
He's always around the ball, and I had him rated way higher than most. Pretty physical safety and definitely worth the shot in the 6th. He reminds me of a rawer Michel Griffin as a prospect.

7) DE Scott Solomon 6'3" 272 Rice - Grade: B+
He was one of my late round gems at DE's, high motor high production guy. Not real athletic, but a much better prospect than Fugger.

Overall: B - We filled some holes, added a lot of speed and got some late rounders I feel can contribute.

Relatively disappointed with our free agent class. I know WR's are always a popular FA signing, but we drafted one and already have Britt, Washington, Williams, Hawkins and Mariani. Add Wright to that and that's all 6. Mariani is our RS, I could understand one or two, but 3 seems too many.

With our current roster at OL, DE and DB I would have wish we had loaded more in FA with these positions.

DJ Woods, WR, Cincinnati
Devin Aguilar, WR, Washington
Christian Scott, SAF, Texas
Alex Watkins, LB, Alabama
Nick Stephens, QB, Tarleton St
Chandler Burden, OL, Kentucky
DaJohn Harris, DT, USC
William Vlachos, OC, Alabama
Beau Brinkley, LS, Missouri
LaQuinton Evans, WR, Southern

I know we can't sign all FA's I want, but I really thought the following players would have been good FA signings.

DE Jacquis Smith missouri
CB Ryan Steed Furman
QB GJ Kinne Tulsa
DE Julian Miller WV
C Michael Brewster Ohio State
RB Jason Ford Illinois
WR Gerrell Robinson Arizona State
CB Coryell Judie Texas AM
DE Adrian Hamilton Prairie View AM
WR Dale Moss SD State

CashmoneyDrew
04-29-2012, 02:19 AM
Ew, Nick Stephens. What is with our fascination with terrible ginger QBs?

Complex
04-29-2012, 11:45 AM
Looking forward to next year and drafting Eric Reid or a passrusher.

mightytitan9
04-29-2012, 01:22 PM
Looking forward to next year and drafting Eric Reid or a passrusher.

Devin Taylor

DoughBoy
04-29-2012, 04:12 PM
I've watched a few tapes of Mike Martin now. I don't like the Jurrell Casey comparison at all. He just doesn't have Casey's lateral movement ability. What I do like is that he gets penetration a very steady level and can change the directions of plays in the backfield at will almost. He also is pretty good against double teams and got he alot of that at Michigan it seems. Dude is really quick in tight spaces too.

DoughBoy
04-29-2012, 06:34 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2978550&#post2978550

All my thoughts on the class after watching tape.

DoughBoy
04-29-2012, 06:50 PM
And not to burst anyone's bubble..but I see why Martin slid into the 6th.

mightytitan9
04-30-2012, 10:34 AM
And not to burst anyone's bubble..but I see why Martin slid into the 6th.

i do too, but he was athletic played for a big time program and made plays for them. with nfl coaching I like his potential

Bobo
04-30-2012, 05:10 PM
I've watched some vids and read a bit more so I guess I'll give some amateur grades and thoughts. Sorry, this may be long and subsequently boring lol.

1. Kendall Wright - B
If WR was a position of need (imo of course), I'd give this an easy A. The only catch for me is will we get full potential and much added production out of our loaded roster of receivers (and I'm counting our 3 TE's in here too). We will need to sling the ball like we had Warren Moon still on the team. It's exciting to think about being a top passing team in the league, but how well will we transition to that and how well will our QB's fit in that role?

As far as Wright himself, he is electric like they say. Michael Irvin talked about his stride length helping him a lot. He loved him, so did Mayock. After watching him and reading up, so do I. He does bring an extra dimension to the offense. The ability to separate is huge. Supposedly drops very few passes. Not tall, but has a great vertical and can go up and snatch the ball. I hope we see lots of 3 wide sets which puts defenses in difficult positions 1 on 1, and possibly open up running lanes for CJ.

2. Zach Brown - B-
Mychael Kendricks vs Zach Brown. Both players visited the Titans. If Kendricks lasts 6 more picks, do the Titans take him over Brown? I think so. Brown just didn't look as good to me, but I see the need here.

He plays up to his timed speed, but his change of direction and lateral agility don't quite match, although they are not bad (McRath comes to mind). Seems to give up too much cushion in zone coverage or just doesn't have a great feel for it. The "allergic to contact" thing is overblown imo (like with Ayers last year), although like most athletic guys he will try to make the blocker miss which can sometimes set up the ball carrier with an easy cut away from him. Shows good blitzing ability, also played with his hand down some. Hopefully Gray will use this ability at some point (they did say they will free up Ayers more this year to pass rush...fingers crossed). Not the best break down, wrap up tackler and doesn't seem to take the best angles (instincts?).

His Sr. Stats of 105 tackles, 13.5 TFL, 5.5 sacks, 4 PBU, and 3 INT's shows his versatility. I get the feeling that overall he is not top notch at anything (except speed), but has no glaring deficiencies. Can add more versatility to Gray's D, but may have a specific role planned for now from Gray's comments.

3. Mike Martin - A
Need meet for sure. I underrated this guy by others ratings and wanting a DT sooner until I watched him more a 2nd time and read some more. To me, he is a very good mix of NT and 1 gap or 3 technique guy. He can hold up against doubles and even break them. He can penetrate with good quickness and shows some lateral agility. 1 on 1 he can ragdoll o-lineman (wrestling probably playing a huge role here). Size is an issue but really doesn't really concern me too much. He will get leverage advantage. He's going to fight every play and be a constant PITA like KVB. No matter how they line him up (he even did some DE), I think he will play his role very well.

4. Coty Sensabaugh - C
Didn't find much film, so this is hard to give much of an opinion on. Physically, he seems solid. Decent size and very good measurables. Obviously fits a need. They say he can play inside or out. Had 13 PBU this year, but not many INT's over his career. Many places had him ranked late round. Very interested to see him in preseason.

5. Taylor Thompson - D+
1st off I don't like giving up a pick to reach for this guy. We've had some late round gems, so you really have to think before possibly throwing those picks away. 2nd, they say he'll start out at TE but could play DE if needed. Well I like that possible versatility (reminds me of a TE the Bears took a few years ago that I liked who was from Michigan State I think), but he hasn't played TE since HS.

The defensive tape I saw was ok. He is a long strider, not quick twitch, not good change of direction. I can see how he may actually fit better at TE. He's been compared to the Patriots Gronkowski, and physically they are very similar...but Gronkowski had a good college career at TE. Taylor should have the tools to be able to block. He reportedly lost 20 lb's to train as a TE. He may bulk back up a bit. I definitely wanted a 3rd TE who was a solid mix of blocking and receiving, and this guy looks to have the tools...but plenty of guys look to have the tools, but can't actually produce on the field...and we've drafted our fair share of those types before.

6. Markelle Martin - B+
I'm guessing the knee did set him back a few rounds. Physically, he seems to be able to do everything you ask from a modern S. He's not Dallas's Roy Williams in the box, but he does a solid job in the box and doesn't appear to be afraid of contact. Can lay the big hit on a receiver. Very smooth in coverage and fast to the ball. Had the most PBU's of any top S this year. Can be fooled by play action and can be over aggressive leading to open receivers. Should be able to help on ST's right away, and I think he has starter potential in the future.

7. Scott Solomon - B
Had to give up next year's 6th, but probably worth it. Another guy who can be a PITA like Mike Martin, and fits a need. High college production, decent size, high motor. 4.8-5.0 40 sounds bad, but I read he had a 1.62 10 yard. That's very good and much more important to a DE than the 40. Of course that lack of a 2nd gear will hurt him on some occasions. His 3 cone, vertical, bench press, and shuttle tests were all good to very good. He'll use his burst and quickness to get upfield. He has excellent weight room strength like Mike Martin, and it seems to transfer to the field pretty well. He also played some DT.

I like some of our UFA's. LaJohn Harris at times looked pretty good. With my questions about Smith and Marks, I think he could fight for a spot. The C from Bama is a thick, strong guy. Not very athletic though, and short with short arms. Bias played OT on a team that threw a ton. I saw a bit of him and he's got solid size, tested well in drills, and looked ok on tape. If he's looked at at G, there could be a possibility there. The G from Kentucky seems similar. But overall, I'm still a bit worried about O-line. Now if our plans are too pass a lot, the arguement can be made that the line will be ok as is. I would still look to upgrade though. It also makes you wonder if they think they have backups who can maybe take the spot of Amano and/or Harris.

Overall, I guess I'm cautiously optimistic about this draft. I see potential, but also wonder how effective we will be at using some of it. I think the floor is at least fairly high for a lot of our picks and some of our roster needs should be meet.

Pit Bull #53
04-30-2012, 06:27 PM
Nice avy. <3<3<3<3<3<3 Firefly.

Bobo
04-30-2012, 06:50 PM
Nice avy. <3<3<3<3<3<3 Firefly.

Coolest short lived tv show I've ever seen. They need to get their **** together and bring it back with a sequel to Serenity. I just don't understand how this didn't live long. Too witty and smart for people? lol

Complex
05-01-2012, 01:13 AM
1.After finally getting over DeCastro, I like our draft. I like everything about Kendall Wright. He reminds me of bigger,thicker and little slower Santana Moss.

A-

2.Zach Brown - I like his man to man coverage skills. In one of the 2010 youtube videos he played physical and took on blockers and made a tackle. He wasn't Ray Lewis but wasn't Todd Pinkston. Then against Missouri he looked awful. He tried to jersey tackle and tackle by dipping his shoulder hoping the guy fell down. He is either confused/lost or he was avoiding contact.

B+
Hopefully his own UNC coaches calling him soft motivates him. I disagree with Bobo on the lateral agility part. I think his lateral agility matches his speed.

3.Bobo is spot on with Martin

A

4.Great combine numbers for Coty.

IDK, B I guess

5. I actually love the Taylor Thompson pick. He is just as big as Gronk and going by they're pro-day numbers a little more athletic and .1 seconds faster than Gronk. I am not worried about his blocking because like Munch said most college TE's don't block anymore. I think he can be a 10-25 catch guy this year hopefully more.

A

6. Solid tackler which is a good thing. To many he does everything right and is pretty athletic. He isn't a playmaker and bites on play-action and pump fakes maybe he is too aggressive? hopefully better film study helps him fix those issues.

B-

7. Scott Solomon - Has every passrushing move in the book. He looked like a beast.

A+

If Jake Locker fails it will not be because of the lack of weapons.

Bobo
05-01-2012, 03:27 AM
2.Zach Brown - I like his man to man coverage skills. In one of the 2010 youtube videos he played physical and took on blockers and made a tackle. He wasn't Ray Lewis but wasn't Todd Pinkston. Then against Missouri he looked awful. He tried to jersey tackle and tackle by dipping his shoulder hoping the guy fell down. He is either confused/lost or he was avoiding contact.

B+
Hopefully his own UNC coaches calling him soft motivates him. I disagree with Bobo on the lateral agility part. I think his lateral agility matches his speed.

6. Solid tackler which is a good thing. To many he does everything right and is pretty athletic. He isn't a playmaker and bites on play-action and pump fakes maybe he is too aggressive? hopefully better film study helps him fix those issues.

B-

7. Scott Solomon - Has every passrushing move in the book. He looked like a beast.

A+

I should explain a bit more of what I saw for Zach's lateral agility being not bad but not matching his elite straight line speed. I saw several plays where he was in full sprint to the ball carrier, but then couldn't make a turn on a dime move to make the tackle. Simple bad angles is what it looked like sometimes, but not always. I saw Kendricks make those quicker cuts laterally where he kept his speed up and that's what I was trying to describe. Of course Kendricks had an unheard-of 3 cone for a LB of 6.68 along with his 4.4 speed. Now Bulluck's movements were more like Zach's, and obviously I'd be happy as **** if Zach turns out similar to Bulluck.

I also wonder if they plan on sticking Zach man to man with TE's a lot. We definitely sucked there last year, and Gray talked about a specific role for Zach...

For Markelle, I think he's a proven to be a semi-playmaker I guess you could say. He broke up a ton of passes, just didn't get many INT's.

I liked Solomon's moves too. He would set a guy up outside, then do a rip/swim move inside or spin move. He used his strength well to throw guys aside. He can get a good burst off the snap, shrug his shoulder, and turn the arc well. He had some good bullrushes and seemed to have a good feel for stunting. Not a one trick pony for sure.

mightytitan9
05-01-2012, 10:06 PM
I think the Zach Brown thing has been taken a little too far, ironically mostly by posters who at one point really liked him

It's not like we're talking about Michael Boulware here, Zach Brown may not be a big thumper, but he doesn't need to be. Keith Bulluck wasn't overly physical, and yeah it drove me crazy at times, but he was still probably the most underrated in the NFL for his time.