Final Fantasy Mafia Game - TOWN WINS!

[Job Reborn]

I will state in my PM that assuming there is no motivation I kill Grizz. If I am motivated he won't die.

I'm fine with that.

[Grizzlegom]

I'm just glad that with Rob likely dying, the role blockers/redirectors SHOULD all be dead so I'll be in the clear tomorrow either way, that spiraled out of control rather fast haha

[Job Reborn]

Actions go before kills so he'll know I'm a motivator the second he gets the PM from BB saying he's been motivated.

That's why I want him to kill you. Cause mafia obviously kills him. There will only be one vigilante kill. Then you'll claim there was a bulletproof mafia and it will be somewhat believable. I don't want that happening.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Actions go before kills so he'll know I'm a motivator the second he gets the PM from BB saying he's been motivated.


I'm pretty sure this is true. Bulldogs can do his thing, and I'll just investigate Grizz tonight. If we don't win it tonight, we should be able to conclude the game tomorrow.

[Job Reborn]

Then again, grizz could be the bulletproof guy. hmm...

[Grizzlegom]

So you want him to kill me after I motivate him? Fun.

[Job Reborn]

So you want him to kill me after I motivate him? Fun.

Ain't that a fun idea? If you're town, it doesn't go against your win condition because you don't need to be alive to win. + it adds the bonus of not having a huge problem about whether to lynch you or not. So you win and we win.

[Bulldogs]

So you want him to kill me after I motivate him? Fun.

You have my word, motivate me and you stay alive.

[BeerBaron]

VOTE COUNT:

(7) Rob - (Bulldogs, job, vidae, SP, Shane, ATL, Grizz)

With 14 remaining, 8 votes are needed for majority.

I'm leaving work in half an hour, then I won't be able to get back on until 5:30 or 6:00 at the earliest. Just a heads up.

[Job Reborn]

You have my word, motivate me and you stay alive.

That's great. Now please don't follow it once you have it.

[SuperPacker]

VOTE COUNT:

(7) Rob - (Bulldogs, job, vidae, SP, Shane, ATL, Grizz)

With 14 remaining, 8 votes are needed for majority.

I'm leaving work in half an hour, then I won't be able to get back on until 5:30 or 6:00 at the earliest. Just a heads up.


We should kill Rob now then!

[BeerBaron]

And that's assuming my internet is working, which due to thunderstorms, it was not when I left for work this morning.

[Bulldogs]

Somebody who hasn't voted finish him off, I want to read the write up.

[Job Reborn]

Rob. There's no way you get out of this. Off yourself already.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Rob. There's no way you get out of this. Off yourself already.


He already said he has work obligations for another 2 hours. We're going to have to wait for Snicho, TH, or njx.

[SuperPacker]

Some we just have to wait... Is this right?

Grizz - We'll know tomorrow
vidae - Good
jvig - Good
jensen - Going to die tonight
SuperPacker - Good
Shane - Good
bulldogs - Good
Titan Hope - Good
RobS - Evil bastard!
ATL - Good
GallopingGhost - Dont know
Snicho - Dont know
njx9 - Good
job reborn - Good

[Grizzlegom]

As an aside, I bet Jensen really is a role cop. If you notice, woot was named the Town backup. I bet Jensen is the Mafia backup and he inherited Role cop after Renji died. That's why my motivate on him "failed" night one, because he didn't have a night role. Night two it worked but ngata was killed. Night three it failed because TBW was lying about being an investigator. Night four it worked and Jensen got two results. Last night it worked but Gonzo got killed.

Again, I really hope Jensen didn't inherit bulletproof with his backup role.

[Job Reborn]

As an aside, I bet Jensen really is a role cop. If you notice, woot was named the Town backup. I bet Jensen is the Mafia backup and he inherited Role cop after Renji died. That's why my motivate on him "failed" night one, because he didn't have a night role. Night two it worked but ngata was killed. Night three it failed because TBW was lying about being an investigator. Night four it worked and Jensen got two results. Last night it worked but Gonzo got killed.

Again, I really hope Jensen didn't inherit bulletproof with his backup role.

I fully believe Jensen when he claims to be a rolecop. Problem is : He already knew TBW was a traitor when he came out Day 3 trying to save me, did not say a word. Only claimed when TBW called him out as a bad guy. Here's a possibility : Jensen thought a traitor was a very good asset to leave alive, hence why he shut his mouth. Then he got attacked by TBW. Has to throw him to the wolves. The town had a back-up : it is not impossible that the mafia also had one, and the first dead mafia happened to be the rolecop.


Thanks for the heads up.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Just an FYI, with all the killing happening tonight, I'll probably end up dead too

[Job Reborn]

Just an FYI, with all the killing happening tonight, I'll probably end up dead too

Why? Did your level five death have some long term effect on you?

[vidae]

I have a feeling you'll be ok Shane. If we're right about the kill order you should be fine.

[Grizzlegom]

Wow, guess I skimmed that one, just trying to get all my thoughts out in case you guys all decide to kill me. Similar to when you got wrongly killed, you guys will be able to go back and see what I said and how others reacted and hopefully it will help secure outing the remaining baddies.

[Bulldogs]

Just an FYI, with all the killing happening tonight, I'll probably end up dead too

Why would you die? Also Vidae, can you still protect me tonight, or is your elixir actually gone.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Why? Did your level five death have some long term effect on you?

Nah, I have to choose someone to follow each night and if they die, I die. I'm hoping I'll be fine, but don't feel like there is any safe option. Maybe Jvig.

[BeerBaron]

I'm headed out. If the final vote is cast before I get back, please stop posting and lock the thread.

[vidae]

Why would you die? Also Vidae, can you still protect me tonight, or is your elixir actually gone.

I used it already. Sorry brosef.

[Grizzlegom]

So does bulldogs know who he's killing tonight? Obviously jensen but who is the other target? GG?

[Bulldogs]

So does bulldogs know who he's killing tonight? Obviously jensen but who is the other target? GG?

I know who I'm killing. Shane follow Vidae or something. No chance he dies. The mafia will try to kill me.

[Shane P. Hallam]

So does bulldogs know who he's killing tonight? Obviously jensen but who is the other target? GG?

I'd say GG or TH.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I know who I'm killing. Shane follow Vidae or something. No chance he dies. The mafia will try to kill me.

We shall see. Also, Rob is the redirector correct? Gotta kill him first for sure.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

We shall see. Also, Rob is the redirector correct? Gotta kill him first for sure.

Rob will be lynched with 1 more vote.

[Bulldogs]

The mafia has a surprise in store tonight when they come for me. One of the perks of only having the ability to kill every second night. I'll say no more.

[Bulldogs]

I'd also like to apologize to Jvig, it appears I was wrong about you. Halo: Reach tonight to make up for it?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Let's be honest, the mafia will probably kill me after I just ****** over their game.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Rob will be lynched with 1 more vote.

Ya, just making sure the redirector will be dead and they won't force BD to kill one of us.

[Grizzlegom]

Are people actually waiting to hear more from Rob or is there just nobody else around?

[SuperPacker]

Ya, just making sure the redirector will be dead and they won't force BD to kill one of us.

No one else around. Just gonna have to wait it out.

[Rob S]

I know I'm going to die and this will come off as a last ditch attempt, but so be it.....I still have the protect left in my 3x ability and I can use it on BD tonight. I'm really not lying here.

Obviously I'm going to be killed anyway, but whatever. Gotta get back to work, just wanted to see if I died yet.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I thought you were more noble than this Rob.

[Rob S]

You'll see, ATL. If BD kills GG tonight, you will see he is good. I also have a protect left. I can help the town.

[Bulldogs]

I know I'm going to die and this will come off as a last ditch attempt, but so be it.....I still have the protect left in my 3x ability and I can use it on BD tonight. I'm really not lying here.

Obviously I'm going to be killed anyway, but whatever. Gotta get back to work, just wanted to see if I died yet.

Kill yourself so we can move on. As ATL would say. FALL ON YOUR SWORD SIR!

[Bulldogs]

You'll see, ATL. If BD kills GG tonight, you will see he is good. I also have a protect left. I can help the town.

Believe me when I say I don't need protection. I see you have elected to make us wait. You disappoint me Rob.

[SuperPacker]

Damn it Rob!

[Rob S]

I'm not lynching myself when I can be an asset to the town. I'm off to drink to celebrate the end of this ***** of a work day.

[SuperPacker]

I'm not lynching myself when I can be an asset to the town. I'm off to drink to celebrate the end of this ***** of a work day.

But you're going to die anyway. Only difference is, we wont have to wait for someone to come along, read 20 pages and then decide to vote for you.

[TitanHope]

Just read 20 pages and decided to vote for Rob!

In regards to my role... ATL and Jensen are both telling the truth!

I don't want to go into how my role works at all, and I didn't want to even hint at all (a town reveal when we had already lynched a mafia role cop just seemed way too sketchy), but I feel like I'm being forced to since two role cops have targeted me with two different results. If it makes ya'll feel any better, I did make an "I'm good" statement for the Lie Detector when I replied to Job's random vote for me (in the big post where I talked about Ngata and Renji), and now Snicho can see if I'm mafia since I don't think Jensen or GG voted in this.

In regards to Rob...

lbVdyPZiOLM

Vote: Rob S

[BeerBaron]

VOTE COUNT:

(8) Rob - (Bulldogs, job, vidae, SP, Shane, ATL, Grizz, TH)

With 14 remaining, 8 votes are needed for majority.

[BeerBaron]

Growing weary and hoping the end is near, the town plotted their next steps. They felt confident in their vote, though Rob was defiant until the end.

"I'm telling you...I can still help the town!" he claimed. But the town wasn't buying his claims. They moved in for the kill.

Rob whipped out his pair of blades, connecting them at the hilt and preparing to defend himself.

"Hmmph..." one in the crowd grunted. He stepped forward, silently instructing the rest of the town to leave Rob to him with a mere hand motion. This warrior spun with his blade outstretched, creating a whirlwind around himself which he then directed at Rob.

The heavily armored Rob couldn't break through, trapped within the gusting winds.

MjbFEvsvWwI

The gruff warrior took out a jug of alcohol and tossed it at the raging storm....Rob stood no chance and was incinerated until only ash remained....

http://i.imgur.com/Q3FMv.jpg
Rob S - Gabranth, Judge Magister - Role: Redirector - Has been Lynched.

Send in your Night 6 actions asap! If you aren't using yours, please let me know.

[BeerBaron]

Day came with the town seemingly as confident as ever. They gathered in the castle courtyard to find one member once again missing.

This time, the missing person was Snicho. A search ensued and they eventually found his body. He was still in bed, with a single gunshot wound to the head as the cause of death.

Needless to say, confusion and anger soon ensued...

http://i.imgur.com/kB0HB.jpg
Snicho - Yuna, the Summoner - Role: Sensor - Has been Killed.
(Snicho could request how many anti-town players had votes against them during the FINAL vote count the previous day. He was only given a number, no names.)

Day 7 has begun. With 12 remaining, 7 are needed for majority.

[Grizzlegom]

Well that is certainly a strange turn of events.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Gotta hear from Bulldogs/Grizz what happened. Did you kill Snicho Bulldogs?

Either way, we don't have two role cops and I am MUCH more inclined to believe ATL. Jensen should be the last one for the mafia.

Vote: Jensen

[BeerBaron]

VOTE COUNT:

(1) Jensen - (Shane)

With 12 remaining, 7 votes are needed for majority.

[Grizzlegom]

I definitely motivated Bulldogs, hopefully between him and ATL, they can let you guys know I'm definitely a motivator. I am convinced that Jensen is the mafia backup-turned-role cop though.

vote:Jensen

[Grizzlegom]

I'll try to follow along on my phone but idk how much I'll be able to post throughout the day as I'm going to be away from my computer from 9:30 until at least 3 or 4. Here are all my notes/thoughts:

1. Grizz – Motivator
2. Vidae – Satchel – Elixir - 1xProtect - Suspicious of him the most of the people that voted yesterday
3. Jvig – Hunter
4. Jensen – Role Cop – I think he's the mafia backup
5. Superpacker - Rolestopper - I strangely believe him, don't think he's smart enough to make that role up.
6. Shane – Apron – 1xLevel 5 Death
7. Bulldogs – Even Vigilante
8. TitanHope – Came up as Odd Night Dice Role and Townie - A better explanation of his role would be nice.
9. Job reborn – Bodyguard
10. ATL – Role Investigator
11. GallopingGhost - ? Claims to have a power and that he’s been using it “effectively and accordingly”
12. Njx9 – 1xReviver - Inclined to believe he brought Job back since no one else has come forward to dispute that.

Obviously there's more than one person lying here. The mafia must have another role blocker or there's a jailkeeper or something along those lines. Either that or Bulldogs is lying about his role (which I doubt). The fact that the Sensor was killed means that at least one person that voted yesterday is mafia and they were afraid of being outed. They knew ATL was going to look into me and learn I was telling the truth and they knew they could block bulldogs so they killed the only other person that could provide the town with new and useful information today.

[Bulldogs]

No I did not. I was motivated, but I chose to kill Jensen and TH, who I believe are the final two mafia members. Somehow I must have been blocked...

Vote: Jensen

[BeerBaron]

VOTE COUNT:

(3) Jensen - (Shane, Grizz, Bulldogs)

With 12 remaining, 7 votes are needed for majority.

[GallopingGhost]

My role is that i'm allowed to protect every night with the downfqll that i block the persons role that i protect. Day 1 i chose not to use it then day 2 i used it on shane then bulldogs and i kept alternating each night.

[GallopingGhost]

vote: jenson

[Bulldogs]

My role is that i'm allowed to protect every night with the downfqll that i block the persons role that i protect. Day 1 i chose not to use it then day 2 i used it on shane then bulldogs and i kept alternating each night.

So you protected me last night? Thanks for nothing!

[Shane P. Hallam]

My role is that i'm allowed to protect every night with the downfqll that i block the persons role that i protect. Day 1 i chose not to use it then day 2 i used it on shane then bulldogs and i kept alternating each night.

Can you tell us who you protected each night? May explain some of the unexplained roleblocking that has happened.

[BeerBaron]

VOTE COUNT:

(4) Jensen - (Shane, Grizz, Bulldogs, GG)

With 12 remaining, 7 votes are needed for majority.

[GallopingGhost]

Can you tell us who you protected each night? May explain some of the unexplained roleblocking that has happened.

I just did. I used it on you day 2 thinking you were a target then i alternatwd betqeen you ans bulldogs. I was unser the impreasion you used up ir power and i didmt want to block someone woth a good powwr.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I just did. I used it on you day 2 thinking you were a target then i alternatwd betqeen you ans bulldogs. I was unser the impreasion you used up ir power and i didmt want to block someone woth a good powwr.

Do you speak the english?

Did you protect Bulldogs last night?

[Bulldogs]

If GG didn't use it on me last night then Jensen was telling the truth about TH and he blocked me. Those are the final two mafia members.

My theory. TH is now the big boss in the mafia and has been feeding info to Jensen to give out. TH appears good when investigated which is why ATL couldn't get his true role.

[Shane P. Hallam]

If GG.didn't use it on me last night then Jensen was telling the truth about TH and he blocked me. Those are the final two mafia members.

You think there are two mafia left? That seems like a lot.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

vote: jensen

[Bulldogs]

You think there are two mafia left? That seems like a lot.

If there is only one, it is one of those two. If there is two it is both of them.

[Shane P. Hallam]

If there is only one, it is one of those two. If there is two it is both of them.

Gotcha. I'd guess one more and I'm betting it is Jensen.

[GallopingGhost]

Do you speak the english?

Did you protect Bulldogs last night?

Im on my phone at school. I used it on you last night.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Im on my phone at school. I used it on you last night.

Well, that changes things a tad bit. What say you Bulldogs?

[BeerBaron]

VOTE COUNT:

(5) Jensen - (Shane, Grizz, Bulldogs, GG, ATL)

With 12 remaining, 7 votes are needed for majority.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Well, that changes things a tad bit. What say you Bulldogs?

Bulldogs was allowed to have two kills (Grizz is a motivator). I knew we'd find out about Grizz this way, so I found out SuperPacker is indeed a role stopper. Maybe's he's evil.

[Bulldogs]

Well, that changes things a tad bit. What say you Bulldogs?

I already responded to this. I think Jensen was telling the truth about TH having three roles and he used it to block me. This is why I think there are two bad guys left.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I already responded to this. I think Jensen was telling the truth about TH having three roles and he used it to block me. This is why I think there are two bad guys left.

Gotcha. Either way, I think we have won. It is kill Jensen, then kill TH.

[GallopingGhost]

Gotcha. Either way, I think we have won. It is kill Jensen, then kill TH.

Yup, easy as that. Lets get this over with.

[vidae]

GG, you knew Bulldogs was going to kill and you still chose to protect/rb him? Meh.

vote : Jensen

It really is the only way.

[BeerBaron]

VOTE COUNT:

(6) Jensen - (Shane, Grizz, Bulldogs, GG, ATL, vidae)

With 12 remaining, 7 votes are needed for majority.

[njx9]

i'd rather vote gg, but whatever.

vote: jensen

[BeerBaron]

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

(7) Jensen - (Shane, Grizz, Bulldogs, GG, ATL, vidae, njx)

With 12 remaining, 7 votes are needed for majority.

[BeerBaron]

The town seemed confident that their victory was close at hand and wasted no time in deciding that Jensen had to be the one to go.

Severely outnumbered, Jensen tried to fight back. He prepared to launch into his ultimate form as Braska's Final Aeon but was quickly dispatched by the town before he could achieve his transformation.

http://i.imgur.com/7gQ1K.jpg
Jensen - Jecht, Braska's Final Aeon - Role: Mafia Backup turned Bulletproof Role Cop - Has been Lynched.


One amongst the crowd was in shock. Titanhope backed away, seeing that his last enforcer was now dead.

He drew his pistol, but was not as much of a fighter as the rest of the town. The surviving town members turned towards him and finished him off quickly...

http://i.imgur.com/B8caG.jpg
TitanHope - Rufus Shinra, the Corrupt President - Role: Bulletproof Godfather - Has died.

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-YCN-a0NsNk


The darkness that once shrouded the realm lifted...

"I have regained my divine sight, and the darkness has been cast down," said Odin, rising from his throne.

He thanked the living heroes, for they once again have risen to the call and defended it from the forces of darkness.

TOWN WINS!!

Surviving Winners:


http://i.imgur.com/UEbsP.jpg
SuperPacker - Cloud Strife, the Ex-SOLDIER - Role: RoleStopper
(He could stop any action from affecting his target each night. This did include kills.)

http://i.imgur.com/eqjjF.jpg
Job Reborn - Tidus, the Blitzballer - Role: Bodyguard

http://i.imgur.com/d1kgW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zRoE5.jpg
ATL - Auron, the Legendary Guardian - Primary Role: Rolecop - Secondary Role: Resurrected Vengeful Rolecop
(If killed, he would be resurrected with ability to kill his attacker if targeted for another kill.)

http://i.imgur.com/vXD1f.jpg
jvig - Balthier, the Sky Pirate - Role: Hunter

http://i.imgur.com/Lgzh0.jpg
GallopingGhost - Basch fon Ronsenburg, Knight of Dalmasca - Role: Jailer
(He could "jail" one person a night, protecting them from being killed but it would also prevent them from using their powers.)

http://i.imgur.com/QqFx9.jpg
Bulldogs - Amarant Coral, the Bounty Hunter - Role: Even Night Vigilante

http://i.imgur.com/DEzyf.jpg
Grizzlegom - Vivi Orunitia, the Black Mage Prototype - Role: Motivator

http://i.imgur.com/GsJkM.jpg
njx - Princess Garnet (aka Dagger,) Princess of Alexandria - Role: One-Shot Reviver (used on Job)

http://i.imgur.com/ZaJVE.jpg
Shane - Quina Quen, the Swamp Gourmand - Primary Role: Fool - Secondary Role: Blue Magic Lv. 5 Death (used on Scotty)
(He had to visit one person each night. No actions were taken. If that person was killed, he would also die. Once per game, he could also kill one person whose post total in the thread at the time of their death was a multiple of 5.)

http://i.imgur.com/LlfXB.jpg
vidae - Stiltzkin, the Traveling Moogle - Role: One-Shot Elixir Giver (given to Shane)
(Once in the game, he could gift an elixir to one player. The elixir would allow that player to survive one kill attempt.)

Here is a link to my actions chart:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkBmBGPV6_L9dHFZZ0VVMnFTU2NyT1lnekFtZXJvM 1E

It's in my shorthand quite a bit, so let me know if you need clarification on something. I think I kept it pretty straight forward.

And here are some overall game thoughts:

- I originally had sooo much more planned out...but I got carried away. (Make your joke now about how carried away I got with the game as it was...) Like I’ve said before, I got way outside the usual mafia game box...then I realized I was too far outside of it and had to peel back quite a bit. I wish I had taken out some of the stuff I left in and vice versa...alas. I’ve learned a lot though about what to do/not do next time around though. I apologize to any veteran players who thought I was too outlandish. Rookie issues I won’t repeat.

- No Lie Detector EVER again in a game I run. This is nothing against ngata because he played the role he was given well, but it’s just a terrible, overpowered, unbalancing role. I had no idea what I was getting into there...never again. Rookie Mod mistake #1. I think we should make it a forum rule to just never have one.

- Use a simple Framer instead of a Redirector. The Redirector looked fun in theory, but was way too god damn confusing and I had to make two VERY tough calls in the first two nights about how it affected certain other actions.

- Renji has the worst luck ever. He was targeted by the Thief on day one...no biggie, he just can’t act that night. But the lie detector too? Out of 29 living players, HE was targeted by the lie detector too? Hence tough decision #1: Should a redirector influence the results of a lie detector? I decided on no after much careful consideration. The redirector would influence actions directed at the player he has redirected, but I couldn’t justify that working on a true/false statement made by the player during the day. Disagree if you want, it’s the call I made and I stand by it. With his death, the mafia (and the game itself) lost one of its biggest balancing factors in Sephiroth. He was supposed to be much more epic but I’ll save the details because I may want to use my plan for a character like that again someday.

- Before the game started, I was constantly making tweaks and adjustments based on things I experienced in the DBZ game and read online. The mafia was actually going to be more powerful, but I figured they’d be too stacked and weakened them at the last moment before assigning roles. I wish I hadn’t done that...they were too weak without Sephiroth around. If he had lasted longer, maybe things would have been different, but that didn’t work out.

- The whole Day Thief thing with APS....I actually kind of liked it though I think I would do it with a less overall powerful role than Thief if I used it again. After the Day 1 and 2 disasters in the DBZ game, I wanted someone out there who could get a tiny bit of info during the days. (It was either that, or be really menacing and threaten bad things if we didn’t vote fast enough...) It has some merit, though like I said, I’d do it with something a little less powerful than what is essentially a weak investigator/role blocker.

- Gonzo...DO NOT ARGUE WITH GONZO. No matter if you’re both good, good and evil, hell, both evil...do not argue with him. In every game I’ve read/been part of, getting into a heated argument with Gonzo will lead to an early death for you. Sometimes he’ll be the first to go, but the target never leaves your back.

- Shane pulling off level 5 death in the way he did was pretty amazing.

- CJ played a hell of a game as the SK...targeting people unlikely to be protected/watched. And he either got really lucky or was very good at deducing mafia members, because he killed 3 of them. Part of his win condition was that he had to kill at least 3 members from each side (town and mafia.) He was one townie away....damn close.

- I guess I misunderstood the “Traitor” role. Apparently they can be recruited and I didn’t know that initially. I see now why TBW thought it was weird role when I thought it was pretty standard. Something else I learned only by doing, a mistake I won't repeat.

[vidae]

The town wins, kupo!

[Jvig43]

I told you mother ******* I was a hunter!

[BeerBaron]

The town wins, kupo!

You've just been dieing for a chance to do that, haven't you?

[vidae]

I thought it was pretty evenly matched and well run BB. Good job sir.

[SuperPacker]

http://i.imgur.com/UEbsP.jpg
SuperPacker - Cloud Strife, the Ex-SOLDIER - Role: RoleStopper
(He could stop any action from affecting his target each night. This did include kills.)

WHAT?! Why did you lie to me?

[CJSchneider]

- CJ played a hell of a game as the SK...targeting people unlikely to be protected/watched. And he either got really lucky or was very good at deducing mafia members, because he killed 3 of them. Part of his win condition was that he had to kill at least 3 members from each side (town and mafia.) He was one townie away....damn close.


My next target was GG or Jvig.
I would have it, if it weren't for those pesky kids.

[vidae]

You've just been dieing for a chance to do that, haven't you?

Dude I ******* love Mog/moogles in general and you wouldn't let me use it! I might end every single post on these boards from here on out with it, kupo!

[UKfan]

That was good fun, paranoid cop for me was a serious mind ****! Lol :) good work town and thanks for running BB

[BeerBaron]

WHAT?! Why did you lie to me?

I didn't lie to you, here is exactly what I sent you:

Cloud Strife
The Ex- SOLDIER
http://i.imgur.com/PmSIJ.jpg

Alignment: Town
Role: Rolestopper - You can target one player at night to stop all night actions from affecting them.
Win condition: The town is safe.

Remember: Continue to follow the game even if you are killed. Resurrection is possible.

"ALL NIGHT ACTIONS"

[Jensen]

One of these games I will not be evil.

[SuperPacker]

I didn't lie to you, here is exactly what I sent you:



"ALL NIGHT ACTIONS"

And then i asked you, so basically im a protector and you said, no you can only stop investigations from working on them them.

[SuperPacker]

"You just block anyone's investigatory roles from affecting the person. Still want to do it on him?"

[BeerBaron]

I thought it was pretty evenly matched and well run BB. Good job sir.

Thanks. Like I said, I think I could have done even better with some more balancing. I actually enjoyed roles like yours and Shane's because they were unique but not too unbalancing. I wish I included more like that instead of trying to conform everyone to more standard roles.

My next target was GG or Jvig.
I would have it, if it weren't for those pesky kids.

Either would have filled your quota. Jvig as a hunter though could have been a problem...maybe not for you, but for the town.

That was good fun, paranoid cop for me was a serious mind ****! Lol :) good work town and thanks for running BB

Thanks. I was wondering when you'd suspect something was up. That role fit the character really well.

[BeerBaron]

And then i asked you, so basically im a protector and you said, no you can only stop investigations from working on them them.

"You just block anyone's investigatory roles from affecting the person. Still want to do it on him?"

Did I? Damn...sorry about that. I planned for it stop everything...I mean, it's freaking Cloud. He had to be good in some way. I apologize for that. That was my bad and not my intention. Not sure what I was thinking then.

The town still won though, so it's less of an issue than it could be if it contributed to costing the game.

[Gay Ork Wang]

i still think you made the wrong call :/ i mean you compare that statement with me after all therefore targeting a player.


I like redirectors. especially in games with watchers and targets, a framer doesnt cut it. you can limit it to say investigative roles only.

[SuperPacker]

Did I? Damn...sorry about that. I planned for it stop everything...I mean, it's freaking Cloud. He had to be good in some way. I apologize for that. That was my bad and not my intention. Not sure what I was thinking then.

The town still won though, so it's less of an issue than it could be if it contributed to costing the game.

Oh ok then haha. I thought it was some cruel joke :D

[Gay Ork Wang]

also 6 investigative roles are a tid too many id say :P

but still thanks for running it, i know it can be very hard at times

[BeerBaron]

i still think you made the wrong call :/ i mean you compare that statement with me after all therefore targeting a player.


I like redirectors. especially in games with watchers and targets, a framer doesnt cut it. you can limit it too say investigative roles only.

There just isn't a good answer for that. I made the call I made and I don't think it's any more wrong than giving the lie detector a false result would have been. I asked IBC about it after the fact for a second opinion and he agreed with my call.

Hence why I've come to dislike lie detectors and redirectors. I also have a redirector conflict the 2nd night when caddy watched ngata, but the redirector set another target, and then set the kill against that target so it hit ngata. I sent Caddy a no result basically....another conflict where I had to make a judgement call on how to handle it.

And yeah, making it affect investigations only would be better, but it still wouldn't have helped in your case. Lessons learned.

[Bulldogs]

SP you had the most badass role ever and completely wasted it.

[BeerBaron]

SP you had the most badass role ever and completely wasted it.

I did confuse him when he asked about it. That was partly my fault. I don't even remember sending that PM to him but I don't doubt that I did. I was constantly clarifying things and the like.

[Gay Ork Wang]

There just isn't a good answer for that. I made the call I made and I don't think it's any more wrong than giving the lie detector a false result would have been. I asked IBC about it after the fact for a second opinion and he agreed with my call.

Hence why I've come to dislike lie detectors and redirectors. I also have a redirector conflict the 2nd night when caddy watched ngata, but the redirector set another target, and then set the kill against that target so it hit ngata. I sent Caddy a no result basically....another conflict where I had to make a judgement call on how to handle it.

And yeah, making it affect investigations only would be better, but it still wouldn't have helped in your case. Lessons learned.
the thing i have preached is, that if you already have the chance to make a lie detector not foolproof, then do it.

He does target me. He targets what i said :P.

That said, i think lie detectors are stupid. just add another cop if you really want to

[BeerBaron]

the thing i have preached is, that if you already have the chance to make a lie detector not foolproof, then do it.

He does target me. He targets what i said :P.

That said, i think lie detectors are stupid. just add another cop if you really want to

Agreed. I'm personally never adding one again to any games that I run. If others want that headache, it's all theirs.

[Wootylicous]

Don't know who killed me but **** you! damnit!

[BeerBaron]

Don't know who killed me but **** you! damnit!

That was CJ. You got serial killed and he took your weapon. Rage at him!

Also, the FF9 characters other than APS/Zidane faired really well. Amarant, Vivi, Garnet, Quina and Stiltzkin? Crazy. They make up over half the survivors I think.

[UKfan]

Am still amazed I survived four nights after my epic fail claiming Renji was good and Shane was evil, I think I owe Caddy a lot for living as long as I did :)

[Wootylicous]

Damn you CJ!

[SuperPacker]

SP you had the most badass role ever and completely wasted it.

Well i unintentionally protected you night one!

I went in thinking i was a protector, so said i would protect GOW. If i had gone through with it, the Lie Detector result might have changed.

Then then i got told i could only stop investigations, i did it to you. Turns out you were protected.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I think i did the best considering my circumstances Day 2. I didnt play that good day 1.

Uncool also SP! I WOULDVE SURVIVED! I ALSO WOULDVE CREATED SO MUCH HAVOC THIS GAME. You guys dont even know

[BeerBaron]

I think i did the best considering my circumstances Day 2. I didnt play that good day 1.

You got into an argument with Gonzo. Don't get into arguments with Gonzo.

[SuperPacker]

I think i did the best considering my circumstances Day 2. I didnt play that good day 1.

Uncool also SP! I WOULDVE SURVIVED! I ALSO WOULDVE CREATED SO MUCH HAVOC THIS GAME. You guys dont even know

Would it have saved him BB?

[Gay Ork Wang]

You got into an argument with Gonzo. Don't get into arguments with Gonzo.
meh, like i said, i thought i was fine with being in the mafia so i kinda tried to get some heat early on and tried to "antiframe" me. Didnt work. Its hard to be suspicious day 1 and not getting killed at the same time.

[BeerBaron]

Would it have saved him BB?

No, your action would have been redirected from him to whoever it was that first night by the redirector.

meh, like i said, i thought i was fine with being in the mafia so i kinda tried to get some heat early on and tried to "antiframe" me. Didnt work. Its hard to be suspicious day 1 and not getting killed at the same time.

Yeah, Day 1's such a crapshoot. Like here, broth got lynched for saying one dumb thing as I recall.

[GallopingGhost]

Thanks for the game BB

[vidae]

Broth had it coming, kupo!

[SuperPacker]

Yeah, thanks BB! Even though you screwed me over ;)

[Gay Ork Wang]

No, your action would have been redirected from him to whoever it was that first night by the redirector.



Yeah, Day 1's such a crapshoot. Like here, broth got lynched for saying one dumb thing as I recall.
meh, wouldnt the rolestopper override the redirector

[BeerBaron]

meh, wouldnt the rolestopper override the redirector

Hmm....you're probably right. Damn, so many conflicts with Redirector. I'm just going to avoid it in the future.

Yeah, thanks BB! Even though you screwed me over ;)

You still won. No screw job there.

[SuperPacker]

You still won. No screw job there.

I could have helped the town a lot more though. Anyway, i'm not complaining, was only joking with ya :)

[Dr. Gonzo]

Well run game BB. It is true that getting into an argument with me is not a good idea because I will continue to argue until the town wants both parties dead. I could have laid low but I figured if I did I was dying so the way to go I thought was continuing to insinuate that a watcher would watch me at night so I wasn't killed and I was fine with making myself look suspicious so I survived longer. I figured if I was open with who I tracked worse case scenario the info would have been useful later after I died. I still think my logic behind killing Job wasn't that flawed. A mistake that got overblown but Shane did nicely cleaning that up by killing Scotty.

[A Perfect Score]

Yay Guys! We Won! Woooooooooooooooooo!

And I Was Telling The Truth The Whole Time!

[Gay Ork Wang]

Well run game BB. It is true that getting into an argument with me is not a good idea because I will continue to argue until the town wants both parties dead. I could have laid low but I figured if I did I was dying so the way to go I thought was continuing to insinuate that a watcher would watch me at night so I wasn't killed and I was fine with making myself look suspicious so I survived longer. I figured if I was open with who I tracked worse case scenario the info would have been useful later after I died. I still think my logic behind killing Job wasn't that flawed. A mistake that got overblown but Shane did nicely cleaning that up by killing Scotty.
the logic behind job was incredibly flawed. how about killing scotty first, figure out what his role is, than you can figure out what he did first night. If you killed him you wouldve realized that he wouldnt have rolestopped a fellow mafia member

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yay Guys! We Won! Woooooooooooooooooo!

And I Was Telling The Truth The Whole Time!

I believed you buddy. Job and NJX not believing anyone always gave me a good laugh.

[Dr. Gonzo]

the logic behind job was incredibly flawed. how about killing scotty first, figure out what his role is, than you can figure out what he did first night. If you killed him you wouldve realized that he wouldnt have rolestopped a fellow mafia member

True but this is all in hindsight and you knew all that information about Scotty. All I had to go on was that he said he never mentioned targeting Job. Killing him would have saved Job but we had no way of knowing that. Looking back know the flaw in my logic was not really trying to understand why Scotty would target Job night one if he was evil. What I didn't want was everyone investigating Job that night but that would have been better for the town. For me it came down to Job defending you day one when I was quite sure you were evil and he was defending you for seemingly no reason but I think I understand the way Job plays now a lot better so I won't make that mistake again.

[Raiderz4Life]

I'll never forgive you BB...I wanted Auron =(

[Shane P. Hallam]

I'm glad Job never protected our investigators or protectors :P

[A Perfect Score]

I'll never forgive you BB...I wanted Auron =(

I would have surrendered a fictional testicle to play Vincent.

[BeerBaron]

I'll never forgive you BB...I wanted Auron =(

Auron didn't even get to use his resurrection...it was supposed to be a moment of awesome but ATL had to go and play all conservative. Boo!

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'm glad Job never protected our investigators or protectors :P

I was kind of wondering how Job stayed alive and why the hell nobody protected me the night I died. I am guessing he stayed alive because he kept accusing good townspeople haha. Ah well. I kept being accused of lying but I never once lied. ATL stayed quite when I came out about who he visited when I tracked him so I knew he was good but I did not want to push for him to clear me and make me a target.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Yay! Vidae gave me the elixir!

[Shane P. Hallam]

why the hell nobody protected me the night I died.

Don't question people's actions when you made the worst decision of all :P

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yay! Vidae gave me the elixir!

Damn you Vidae! I need that damn elixer. We won though and I am happy. I was fairly sure I was going to die so everything went as planned.

[vidae]

Yay! Vidae gave me the elixir!

I rock! KUPO!

[BeerBaron]

Yay! Vidae gave me the elixir!

After holding it for like 5 nights....

I could of sworn he was going to give it to ngata night 2....didn't. Thought ngata would get protected by SP or Job...didn't. Though njx would bring ngata back...didn't.

Way to let what turned out to be your apparently most powerful role die and stay dead town!

[Dr. Gonzo]

Don't question people's actions when you made the worst decision of all :P

Listen. It was during the day and it was a bad decision. We've all made them. I stand by it, at the very least it made things very entertaining that day. I just like excitement. Sue me. Playing conservative, playing boring, not making decisions, not posting much, going only with general consensus, that **** is just not for me.

[Raiderz4Life]

I went to kill ngata...even wasted my 1 shot role cuz we swore you bastards would protect him sonehow...but did you? Noooooooo....**** it we'll just let our foolproof lie detector get his ass wrecked by R4L with no attenpt to save his life whatsoever.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I went to kill ngata...even wasted my 1 shot role cuz we swore you bastards would protect him sonehow...but did you? Noooooooo....**** it we'll just let our foolproof lie detector get his ass wrecked by R4L with no attenpt to save his life whatsoever.

I was really surprised he died that night. Ah well. We did okay without him.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Listen. It was during the day and it was a bad decision. We've all made them. I stand by it, at the very least it made things very entertaining that day. I just like excitement. Sue me. Playing conservative, playing boring, not making decisions, not posting much, going only with general consensus, that **** is just not for me.

Lol. Still, don't criticize other people's choices then :D

[Dr. Gonzo]

Lol. Still, don't criticize other people's choices then :D

I never criticize! Let's be honest though, it was one poor judgement call that many people voted with me on. If my reasoning made no sense nobody else would have voted with me. You will screw up soon enough and that will knock you off your damn high horse haha. Unlike you I won't unrelentingly bring up that you made a mistake because I am a good guy.

[vidae]

After holding it for like 5 nights....

I could of sworn he was going to give it to ngata night 2....didn't. Thought ngata would get protected by SP or Job...didn't. Though njx would bring ngata back...didn't.

Way to let what turned out to be your apparently most powerful role die and stay dead town!

I had no idea who to trust. It's hard to use your one shot abilities early in a game like this. I could have sworn Jensen was good until the second to last day.. imagine if I used it on someone like him! I wanted to make sure the guy I used it on was good, kupo!

[Dr. Gonzo]

I had no idea who to trust. It's hard to use your one shot abilities early in a game like this. I could have sworn Jensen was good until the second to last day.. imagine if I used it on someone like him! I wanted to make sure the guy I used it on was good, kupo!

Having a one shot ability always makes me so paranoid. I just would not be able to stand dying before using it. Good on for for having the guts to wait until you are sure.

[BeerBaron]

I had no idea who to trust. It's hard to use your one shot abilities early in a game like this. I could have sworn Jensen was good until the second to last day.. imagine if I used it on someone like him! I wanted to make sure the guy I used it on was good, kupo!

Maybe it's different since I knew for a fact he was being truthful, but he pretty much flat out stated his role, alignment and that he knew of a bad guy right away day 2. I (and the mafia, see R4L's post about using his one-shot kill) thought for sure he'd be better protected that night.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I never criticize! Let's be honest though, it was one poor judgement call that many people voted with me on. If my reasoning made no sense nobody else would have voted with me. You will screw up soon enough and that will knock you off your damn high horse haha. Unlike you I won't unrelentingly bring up that you made a mistake because I am a good guy.

haha riiiiight.

[Jvig43]

SP you had the most badass role ever and completely wasted it.

This is why you aren't allowed into good games.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I told you mother ******* I was a hunter!


I knew that silly. I just didn't know hunters were good. Sorry sir.

Auron didn't even get to use his resurrection...it was supposed to be a moment of awesome but ATL had to go and play all conservative. Boo!

Normally, I would have been an arrogant asshole, role revealed Day 1 and dared evil to kill me... but you can't always play the same in these games. We're so used to one another, if you keep the same style, you're going to get figured out.

[Job Reborn]

I'm glad Job never protected our investigators or protectors :P

Yes because the investigators/protectors do such a great work in those games.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Yes because the investigators/protectors do such a great work in those games.

They have, yes.

[Job Reborn]

I never criticize! Let's be honest though, it was one poor judgement call that many people voted with me on. If my reasoning made no sense nobody else would have voted with me. You will screw up soon enough and that will knock you off your damn high horse haha. Unlike you I won't unrelentingly bring up that you made a mistake because I am a good guy.

Your reasoning made no sense at all. People just blindly following you doesn'T mean it was even close to a decent thought-process.

[BeerBaron]

When Gonzo started attacking Job, I actually had to go check to make sure I didn't accidentally PM the wrong information or something. He had a power, but it in no way would have let him know what he was claiming. I was just as confused as anyone as to what the hell he was doing.

[Job Reborn]

They have, yes.

Was referring to Gonzo killing me. Or to UK turning out useless. Or Jensen/TBW turning out evil. The only investigator who wouldn't turn out an over-thinking liability made himself known day 5.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

They have, yes.


I think I did pretty solid for us here.

[Bulldogs]

Your reasoning made no sense at all. People just blindly following you doesn'T mean it was even close to a decent thought-process.

To be fair you were still suspicious of me even last night which also makes no sense at all.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Was referring to Gonzo killing me. Or to UK turning out useless. Or Jensen/TBW turning out evil. The only investigator who wouldn't turn out an over-thinking liability made himself known day 5.

Meh. I made one mistake. I mean you said you were sick but how am I to know you weren't making it up. After you defending GOW and just not posting anything really at all I let my suspicions get the best of me. I actually outed ATL pretty early but didn't want to make a big deal about that. I thought I did a pretty good job at figuring out who to target at night. I understand why you held a grudge but it's just a game :)

[Job Reborn]

True but this is all in hindsight and you knew all that information about Scotty. All I had to go on was that he said he never mentioned targeting Job. Killing him would have saved Job but we had no way of knowing that. Looking back know the flaw in my logic was not really trying to understand why Scotty would target Job night one if he was evil. What I didn't want was everyone investigating Job that night but that would have been better for the town. For me it came down to Job defending you day one when I was quite sure you were evil and he was defending you for seemingly no reason but I think I understand the way Job plays now a lot better so I won't make that mistake again.


Don't be so sure. :P

I had no chance to be active in this game. Too many events took over.

[Job Reborn]

To be fair you were still suspicious of me even last night which also makes no sense at all.

I also said that despite being suspicious, I thought you were town.

[Job Reborn]

Meh. I made one mistake. I mean you said you were sick but how am I to know you weren't making it up. After you defending GOW and just not posting anything really at all I let my suspicions get the best of me. I actually outed ATL pretty early but didn't want to make a big deal about that. I thought I did a pretty good job at figuring out who to target at night. I understand why you held a grudge but it's just a game :)

Haha. I was playing the grudge part fully knowing it wouldn't come to a lynch. ;)

[Bulldogs]

Don't be so sure. :P

I had no chance to be active in this game. Too many events took over.

Your inactivity definitely threw me off and was a major part of my vote for you. Usually the mafia uses outside activities as an excuse for not posting but in your case it was true.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Don't be so sure. :P

I had no chance to be active in this game. Too many events took over.

Good point. I figure I will mix it up a bit too next game. I think my mistake will only end up helping my game in the long run. I can see now where I went wrong but it seemed like a good decision at the time to get you lynched. **** happens. I really could have said nothing and let Scotty be lynched and I very nearly did but my worst fear was you being evil and me being killed sitting on information. The paranoia is strong in me sometimes. Well most times really

[Job Reborn]

Your inactivity definitely threw me off and was a major part of my vote for you. Usually the mafia uses outside activities as an excuse for not posting but in your case it was true.

Meh. Jvig was good. GG was good. You always have a bunch of inactive townies and a bunch of inactive evils. We just tend to remember the evil inactives more.

Also, can we make it a rule to lynch Jensen first? He's always a bad guy.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Haha. I was playing the grudge part fully knowing it wouldn't come to a lynch. ;)

It's all good. Caddy and I went hard after each other at the start of the game knowing it would likely get neither of us lynched. I try and say things to throw off the mafia all the time, one day that might make me seem too suspicious though.

[BeerBaron]

Good point. I figure I will mix it up a bit too next game. I think my mistake will only end up helping my game in the long run. I can see now where I went wrong but it seemed like a good decision at the time to get you lynched. **** happens. I really could have said nothing and let Scotty be lynched and I very nearly did but my worst fear was you being evil and me being killed sitting on information. The paranoia is strong in me sometimes. Well most times really

So by playing completely off the wall, no one will know what to expect with you?

Can I just do this now for the next game?

Vote: Gonzo

[Dr. Gonzo]

So by playing completely off the wall, no one will know what to expect with you?

Can I just do this now for the next game?

Vote: Gonzo

I have already been lynched once day one for acting crazy, it is bound to happen again. I mean I can say now I am going to mix it up this game and play differently but I probably won't haha. My greatest achievement was going after Renji and giving the same reasons for why he is likely evil that JBond gave about me in the DBZ game. Who called me suspicious for that? ******* JBond. I think that just shows I will always be thought of as suspicious no matter what I do and that is fine with me.

[A Perfect Score]

It doesn't matter how I play, nobody trusts me :( And I'm always a good guy!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I have already been lynched once day one for acting crazy, it is bound to happen again. I mean I can say now I am going to mix it up this game and play differently but I probably won't haha. My greatest achievement was going after Renji and giving the same reasons for why he is likely evil that JBond gave about me in the DBZ game. Who called me suspicious for that? ******* JBond. I think that just shows I will always be thought of as suspicious no matter what I do and that is fine with me.



I feel like you and I are both usually called evil. Some of it by one another.

[Job Reborn]

I feel like you and I are both usually called evil. Some of it by one another.

I almost always think you are. Don't know why.

[Job Reborn]

It doesn't matter how I play, nobody trusts me :( And I'm always a good guy!

I'd have trusted you if i were there.

[BeerBaron]

And it worked out that all three of you were good this game. So were SuperPacker and GG...I noticed that early on. All that was missing was D-Unit and the "lynch this guy because he's always evil/plays like a maniac" to have all the usual suspects be good.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I feel like you and I are both usually called evil. Some of it by one another.

It is usually by each other haha. At the start of the game all I could think was '*****, you calling me evil again?' Every damn game ATL haha. I will agree with Job though, you always seem evil to me. I just want the power to kill next game so I can take out Shane.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

It is usually by each other haha. At the start of the game all I could think was '*****, you calling me evil again?' Every damn game ATL haha. I will agree with Job though, you always seem evil to me. I just want the power to kill next game so I can take out Shane.


To be fair, I'm at a better than .500 ratio on you being evil! Your ratio on me is considerably worse!

[Dr. Gonzo]

And it worked out that all three of you were good this game. So were SuperPacker and GG...I noticed that early on. All that was missing was D-Unit and the "lynch this guy because he's always evil/plays like a maniac" to have all the usual suspects be good.

It is kind of funny how that turned out. We might as well have lynched SP day one with the way he played :)

[A Perfect Score]

I suspect ATL in every game as well. Something about the way he approaches these things makes him very, very suspicious by nature to me.

[Dr. Gonzo]

To be fair, I'm at a better than .500 ratio on you being evil! Your ratio on me is considerably worse!

That is because I keep getting evil roles! I guess the HP game doesn't count and after that I was evil in LOTR and DBZ and good in this one so of course you are batting over .500. Stop calling me evil! Actually don't, I kind of like it.

[Job Reborn]

I don't think I've ever been evil yet.

[A Perfect Score]

I don't think I've ever been evil yet.

I've been Godfather once and a Serial Killer once, every other game I've been some sort of powered goodie. Never once been a townie.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I don't think I've ever been evil yet.

You better watch out. Now next game someone will say the odds are in favour of you being evil despite the fact that the odds are the same for everyone every game. Being evil is fun, you should try it.

[Job Reborn]

I've been Godfather once and a Serial Killer once, every other game I've been some sort of powered goodie. Never once been a townie.

Haha. I'm vanilla townie most of the time. I don't hate that as I think it's a very fun role. The other times I've been a survivor, or a role I refused to use.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I usually get a chuckle out of immediately after Job makes a long thought out post in these games (usually night one or two), and then winds up dead after.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

You better watch out. Now next game someone will say the odds are in favour of you being evil despite the fact that the odds are the same for everyone every game. Being evil is fun, you should try it.


It also definitely makes you a better player.

[scottyboy]

To be fair, I completely forgot I visited job night one. No seriously, ask bb and the mafia. /idiotscotty

[BeerBaron]

I'm still waiting to see TitanHope's disappointment....

Who would have though, him, in charge of mafia? Evil and all?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

To be fair, I completely forgot I visited job night one. No seriously, ask bb and the mafia. /idiotscotty


I thought you were JPP? I'm confused.

[scottyboy]

I'm still jpp. Trolling was so fun. Stupid post ending in 5

[BeerBaron]

I'm still jpp. Trolling was so fun. Stupid post ending in 5

If you had posted just one more time between him pushing for the Job vote and the lynch, his plan would have been screwed.

[Dr. Gonzo]

**** Scotty. If you had just remembering we wouldn't have had the whole mess with Job happen. Damn you! It did kind of work out for you guys though. Even if Renji had not been lie detected I still would have gone after him pretty hard but it is crazy to see all the little things that could have gone differently and changed the game.

[TheBoyWonder22]

My first real loss, how humbling. I screwed up mafia. I was trying to play as a cop by being right on two calls thus winning the town over. Sorry guys, my last day was so ******.

[vidae]

I've been a mix of good and bad so far. Sometimes people trust me and sometimes they don't. It's a lot more fun that way, imo.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I've been Godfather once and a Serial Killer once, every other game I've been some sort of powered goodie. Never once been a townie.

That's actually pretty good and about on ratio. I've been mafia twice, never a godfather or SK

[Shane P. Hallam]

I'm still jpp. Trolling was so fun. Stupid post ending in 5

I played you like a fiddle my friend!

[Dr. Gonzo]

I've been a mix of good and bad so far. Sometimes people trust me and sometimes they don't. It's a lot more fun that way, imo.

I agree. It is just so much more fun to take chances, make accusations, seem shady at times, and just have fun with your role than it is to sit back and let things happen. My worst fear is playing very conservative and being killed before I actually have a chance to play which is why I go balls to the wall to early sometimes. I was suspicious of you but you played a good game. Same with ATL. Knowing the right time to make your move is huge.

[Gay Ork Wang]

if i werent lie detected i wouldve been so good. I wouldve continued to convince them to let them redirect the investigations until one came up good. Hell if a rolecop wouldve came for me, i wouldve came up as a rolecop. i was targeting ATL in the first night too.


also no gonzo, even without hindsight your logic was flawed.


Obviously Scotty didnt tell you about how he visited job, he was ******* evil. how does that give you any information about job at all. Find out what scotty is. there is no reason ever to figure someone is bad just through a watcher/tracker role, unless a death is involved.

[Dr. Gonzo]

if i werent lie detected i wouldve been so good. I wouldve continued to convince them to let them redirect the investigations until one came up good. Hell if a rolecop wouldve came for me, i wouldve came up as a rolecop. i was targeting ATL in the first night too.


also no gonzo, even without hindsight your logic was flawed.


Obviously Scotty didnt tell you about how he visited job, he was ******* evil. how does that give you any information about job at all. Find out what scotty is. there is no reason ever to figure someone is bad just through a watcher/tracker role, unless a death is involved.

Obviously I wasn't 100 percent sure but I took a chance. I was wrong. **** happens. In no way would you you have been good. Even without the lie detector you were going down sooner rather than later. I was able to figure out you were evil day one so I am sure it would not have taken the town long to do the same. We will never know though. Things always happen in these games and the baddies lost. **** ya town!

[SuperMcGee]

My first real loss, how humbling. I screwed up mafia. I was trying to play as a cop by being right on two calls thus winning the town over. Sorry guys, my last day was so ******.

From what I saw, there was a point when you were being the most reasonable voice out there in outing who mafia was. I was thinking "I can't believe TBW is going to be the one to screw us." Then Jensen nabbed you pretty good :P

[Gay Ork Wang]

Obviously I wasn't 100 percent sure but I took a chance. I was wrong. **** happens. In no way would you you have been good. Even without the lie detector you were going down sooner rather than later. I was able to figure out you were evil day one so I am sure it would not have taken the town long to do the same. We will never know though. Things always happen in these games and the baddies lost. **** ya town!

No the fact that you know scotty can do something and he is evil basically means that he is a big player. Killing scotty had to be the priority with your information

your reasoning was ******** and you got lucky. I tried to draw suspicions day one and the first thing i said to mafia is to get the anti framer to me. That was the plan, to get fine early. Since you have no idea what my abilities were and im not allowed to say, you have no idea what i have planned.

like i said your reasoning for me being bad was incredibly bad. I mean **** i had the lie detector against me and still had a bunch of people vouching for me


also i have to say scotty played a piss poor game.

[Bulldogs]

Gonzo or GOW for player with the biggest unwarranted ego?

[Raiderz4Life]

Imma be totally honest...I almost went into depression when we lost Renji lol

[UKfan]

Gonzo or GOW for player with the biggest unwarranted ego?

Not sure if I would go either...

[scottyboy]

i played terribly. never again going to post after pulling an all nighter...

and jbond didn't play me, I just didn't see the thread when he was making his push because I HAD A FREAKING ONLINE EXAM!

oh well, at least I got you guys to get job originally. that almost salvaged my terrible screw ups. first time mafia and I played it pretty badly, but it was cool to be bad for the first time. definitely learned a lot and how i'd play it differently.

[Grizzlegom]

1. WOOOOOOO Town!!!
2. I told you guys I was a good-aligned motivator :-P
3. Did job really go the whole game without using his ability or was he just saying he refused to use it? I love how he wanted to kill me because if I was good or bad it was "for the good of the town" but he refused to use his role even though him using it was ACTUALLY for the good of the town.
4. Looks like I was right about bulldogs' targets being bulletproof.

and finally, I was pumped when I saw my character, best black mage in all of Final Fantasy.

[Todd Bertuzzi]

This game was always heavily tilted in the towns favour. How was the mafia supposed to compete with 22 townies who all have powers? I'm not blaming BB because it's more the fault of those people who give up when they aren't given a role. With a lie detector and multiple investigator types it would have been nearly impossible for us to pull it out. Not to mention CJ took 3 of us out by himself and Renji got targeted night one which screwed us from the start. I'd definitely like to give this one another go somewhere down the road with a few minor adjustments since I know how much work went into running it.

[vidae]

No matter who wins the other side claims they were underpowered or outnumbered. Every time.

[Bulldogs]

There was three freaking bulletproof bad guys... just saying. Also I thought alot of you guys played it horribly, I didn't even hear from like three of you who ended up dead. CJ was targeting quiet people so that's on your players.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Gonzo or GOW for player with the biggest unwarranted ego?
like i said, i had a second role that made me pretty powerful. my plan was fine as i figured im being investigated, but didnt think that the redirector doesnt help me killed me. but as i said, i played a bad day 1 and gor really unlucky

[Gay Ork Wang]

No matter who wins the other side claims they were underpowered or outnumbered. Every time.
to be fair, in this game it was rather true. I dont see anyway that mafia wouldve win. hell i wasnt even really a part of them.

[Job Reborn]

to be fair, in this game it was rather true. I dont see anyway that mafia wouldve win. hell i wasnt even really a part of them.

If CJ doesn't kill 3 mafia, you could've.

[Shane P. Hallam]

i played terribly. never again going to post after pulling an all nighter...

and jbond didn't play me, I just didn't see the thread when he was making his push because I HAD A FREAKING ONLINE EXAM!

I know you had a test, so if I got you to the post count I wanted, I could kill you that night. Just tried to keep prompting you to troll until I could pull the trigger.

[Jvig43]

Gonzo or GOW for player with the biggest unwarranted ego?

Definitely Gow imo.

[Bulldogs]

If CJ doesn't kill 3 mafia, you could've.

That's their fault though. CJ was targeting quiet people for the most part. Talk more and they wouldn't be dead. That was something they could control.

[SuperMcGee]

Plenty of people have an unwarranted ego because of these games. I love when people get real condescending only to be proven wrong.

[Dr. Gonzo]

That's their fault though. CJ was targeting quiet people for the most part. Talk more and they wouldn't be dead. That was something they could control.

Yup. This right here. Laying low and Renji going too hard day one made it unlikely the mafia was winning.

[Gay Ork Wang]

If CJ doesn't kill 3 mafia, you could've.
my win condition wasnt to help mafia

[Dr. Gonzo]

Plenty of people have an unwarranted ego because of these games. I love when people get real condescending only to be proven wrong.

This is true. It's all in good fun. I try not to take these things too seriously.

[Dr. Gonzo]

my win condition wasnt to help mafia

That is actually pretty cool. Added twist.

[Gay Ork Wang]

but thats why i said mafia didnt have a real chance to win this game with 6 people having investigative skills, resurrection and all that jazz

[Rob S]

There was three freaking bulletproof bad guys... just saying. Also I thought alot of you guys played it horribly, I didn't even hear from like three of you who ended up dead. CJ was targeting quiet people so that's on your players.

My redirect was also not that useful though.....couldn't redirect lie detector or kills. Just saying. If anything this was imbalanced towards the town.

[SuperMcGee]

I remember someone saying they didn't like the idea of mafia-aligned siblings earlier. I had no problem with that being my role, but as a possible future game-runner, I was just wondering why they thought that way. Might it depend on the numbers for each side?

[Rob S]

I actually redirected on ngata's first investigation but it didn't work....

[Gay Ork Wang]

I remember someone saying they didn't like the idea of mafia-aligned siblings earlier. I had no problem with that being my role, but as a possible future game-runner, I was just wondering why they thought that way. Might it depend on the numbers for each side?
Mafia siblings is a stupid idea that you should only add if you have more mafias than usually

[Dr. Gonzo]

Settle down buddy. The mafia will always be at a slight disadvantage but there are always ways for the mafia to win.

[SuperMcGee]

My redirect was also not that useful though.....couldn't redirect lie detector or kills. Just saying. If anything this was imbalanced towards the town.

Couldn't redirect kills? You sure?

Mafia siblings is a stupid idea that you should only add if you have more mafias than usually

That's the exact situation I was running into, so just wondering.

[Rob S]

Couldn't redirect kills? You sure?

100% sure.

[Bulldogs]

I'm just not a fan of the way people are trashing the game after BB put in a ton of hard work.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Settle down buddy. The mafia will always be at a slight disadvantage but there are always ways for the mafia to win.
Im gonna be totally honest, for mafia, there was a really really low chance to win this game.

You have 6 Investigative roles, one backup, 5 protective roles, could revive and motivate. Thats a hell of a lot for 6 (if you count the siblings as one) mafia to win. i was basically neutral and cj was too.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I'm just not a fan of the way people are trashing the game after BB put in a ton of hard work.
im not trashing it, i talked to him a long time, i appreciate the hard work, i love the writeups and pictures and the roles but im trying to help him improve it.

[Snicho]

Hooray for town!
Such a fun game guys! Thanks BB

[TitanHope]

The Godfather dies if he's the last one left? That sucks. :(

I slept til 6 PM today! I. Nee. Ded. That.

[Caddy]

My actions in case anyone cares.

1. Watched Jbond - Saw Cain/UK target him
2. Watch Ngata - Saw nothing, got redirected.
3. Watch TBW - Saw Grizz target him

[Caddy]

This game was always heavily tilted in the towns favour. How was the mafia supposed to compete with 22 townies who all have powers? I'm not blaming BB because it's more the fault of those people who give up when they aren't given a role. With a lie detector and multiple investigator types it would have been nearly impossible for us to pull it out. Not to mention CJ took 3 of us out by himself and Renji got targeted night one which screwed us from the start. I'd definitely like to give this one another go somewhere down the road with a few minor adjustments since I know how much work went into running it.

I disagree. Sure town was OP, but evil had their fair share of powers too. They just played poorly.

[SuperMcGee]

We probably could have played better, but games really need townies. The Godfather showing up as a townie is pretty odd when there are no other townies.

I'm glad Todd was my counterpart, though. The whole mafia was full of my favorite peoples!

[Todd Bertuzzi]

I disagree. Sure town was OP, but evil had their fair share of powers too. They just played poorly.

Really we got unlucky with CJ taking three of us out and then ngata's investigation on Renji not getting redirected night one. Right there half the mafia were gone with little to no effort on the part of the town.

[Caddy]

Really we got unlucky with CJ taking three of us out and then ngata's investigation on Renji not getting redirected night one. Right there half the mafia were gone with little to no effort on the part of the town.

I agree the evil siblings is a BS power, but other than that, I don't think either team had a huge advantage. Both could have been scaled back and still been effective.

[njx9]

I believed you buddy. Job and NJX not believing anyone always gave me a good laugh.

i play mafia like poker. two-three rounds seriously, then, if it devolves into endless 'let's wait for so-and-so to say things' i have to do something to have fun. nothing personal =P

After holding it for like 5 nights....

I could of sworn he was going to give it to ngata night 2....didn't. Thought ngata would get protected by SP or Job...didn't. Though njx would bring ngata back...didn't.

Way to let what turned out to be your apparently most powerful role die and stay dead town!

couldn't bring back ngata, since i didn't expect we had any protectors left. i figured evil would just off him instantly before he could do anything. then the gonzo/job thing, i wanted the entertainment of job coming back and being pissed.

[A Perfect Score]

I was suspicious of njx the whole time.

[njx9]

I was suspicious of njx the whole time.

i'm so unsuspicious. outside of a shot in the dark investigation in the lotr game, no one ever bothers with me. i'd be the best sk ever.

[Caddy]

i'm so unsuspicious. outside of a shot in the dark investigation in the lotr game, no one ever bothers with me. i'd be the best sk ever.

People are scared you will ban them forever

[njx9]

People are scared you will ban them forever

no, that's only you =P

[Caddy]

no, that's only you =P

I've not been a rolecop/seer/cop in a game with you! But if I am, guess who is being investigated. ;)

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Even when njx isn't evil, he is.

[njx9]

lynch all the townspeople! they're boring!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

lynch all the townspeople! they're boring!

I'm on to you.

[Caddy]

lynch all the townspeople! they're boring!

I actually agree with this...

[TitanHope]

This was haaaaaaaard, but the mafia crew was a kickass bunch of dudes so I had fun!

If the 3 protectors hadn't been taken out from the get go, this is a slaughter. And this isn't me saving face. The freakin' Serial Killer was the town's MVP, so I don't feel too bad about losing.

The town didn't have a Townie. Not one. Everyone had some sort of power, and they were all a threat to the mafia. We couldn't use strategy to take out the guys WE wanted. I wanted to take out ATL during the night we killed Gonzo because Rob and I figured out he was a cop of some sort a day or two before he revealed, but since Jensen never got motivated that night, we knew Gonzo would be and since a motivated Watcher was bad news, we were forced to take out Gonzo. ATL then the next day reveals the role of Rob's as Redirector, and we lose him. I wanted to take out Bulldogs last night, but since Snicho was a sensor and could reveal mafia lynch votes, we had to take him out. Bulldogs then is able to target Jensen and myself, and we lose.

Lie Detector is OP. BB even came out to us in the mafia chat how he regretted putting it in. Ngata revealing himself and Renji not only got Renji killed, but we were forced to take out Ngata with R4L's unblockable shot. Thankfully Rob used his redirect away from Ngata so Caddy didn't see him. We had no way of tampering with it aside from flat out blocking or killing Ngata. I wish instead of allowing Ngata to get his info, BB would have essentially seen it as us roleblocking Ngata and Ngata get no info.

We got a Traitor in TBW, but a) we weren't told there was a Traitor in the game and b) when we accidentally stumbled upon him through Jensen's (who was a universal backup) ability, we couldn't recruit him! Apparently, TBW knew who we were though, because then TBW gave up Jensen, so Jensen was forced to give TBW up. So we lost our Traitor, and he had given up Jensen as mafia and Jensen had to reveal himself as a Role Cop. So all eyes were now on Jensen. That whole thing sucked.

APS's role was unblockable. He couldn't do anything to him since he was a Day action.

Guest # was annoying.

Not to mention, in addition to all the investigative roles (Role Cop, Day Thief, Watcher, Ninja Tracker, Sensor) and OP Lie Detector, the town gets an unlimited use Motivator, a Rolestopper, a Reviver, a Governor, 5 protective powers in a Protector, Doctor, Bodyguard, Jailor, and Elixir giver, a Universal Backup, and Sir Auron who could have come back as a Role Cop/Vengeful Hunter! That's without even getting into the killing powers with Bulldogs, Shane, and Jvig. Even UKfan was helpful since we all thought he was incompetent, which meant he could still out us if people realized that. Turns our he was paranoid, and we wasted a kill on him. Made a great decoy.

We got me, a Bulletproof Role Cop (How helpful is being BP if we're the ones doing all the killing?), Role Blocker, Redirector (For investigations only - We had so many genius ideas if he redirected ALL actions, but BB shot everything down), Goon with 1-use Strongarm, two Goon siblings, and a backup. We had no idea about Renji's revival powers, but him coming back as Kadaj was a much needed help.

This game was nearly unwinnable for the mafia if not purely because I was the only person who would come up as a Townie when investigated. Rob figured out that there were probably no Vanilla Townies when we were determining my role. I thought dice roll was our best bet and had a good plan to explain being investigated as a Townie, but sooner or later, people would realize that since I'm the one guy that came up as a Townie, they would assume I'm lying about my role. Having other Townies in the game is what makes the GF role so good. Gives him the ability to blend in. If there's only one person who gets investigated as a Townie, it does just the opposite.

Siblings gave us an extra Mafia member, which was awesome, but I thought if one Sibling dies, the other one gets another night before he dies? I thought that was what happened in the LotR game. But both Todd and McGee got taken out at one time by the SK.

The mafia had our share of powers, but were reeling from the start because of the Lie Detector, were kept reeling because EVERYONE had a power that could hurt us, and were severely weakened by the SK. I think we did ok considering the hand we were dealt.

I'm still waiting to see TitanHope's disappointment....

Who would have though, him, in charge of mafia? Evil and all?

No one should be surprised of my sudden but inevitable betrayal!

[Caddy]

I don't think it as bad as you seem to TH. Evil didn't play that well. At no stage did any of you really have the complete backing of the town and you did a poor job of controlling the conversation during the day - the number one trait of a successful mafia in my opinion.

Sure the lie detector hurt you, but you lynched all our protectors very early and had a huge opportunity to get an early lead.

[vidae]

I still don't think Lie Detector is OP. And the Mafia has one clear advantage every game which they for some reason always fail to mention: YOU KNOW THE ALIGNMENT OF EVERY PERSON basically, not counting SKs. While the town is suspicious of everyone, all you guys have to do is kill intelligently and you'd win.

Every single game that has been played on DC has the Mafia coming out after the fact saying that the other side is OP. Every game. Ugh.

And not to be rude or anything, but the Mafia in this game could have played it a lot better from the get go. You can't sit there and not be active in discussions, which most of you were. That is no ones fault but your own.

[Caddy]

I still don't think Lie Detector is OP. And the Mafia has one clear advantage every game which they for some reason always fail to mention: YOU KNOW THE ALIGNMENT OF EVERY PERSON basically, not counting SKs. While the town is suspicious of everyone, all you guys have to do is kill intelligently and you'd win.

Every single game that has been played on DC has the Mafia coming out after the fact saying that the other side is OP. Every game. Ugh.

And not to be rude or anything, but the Mafia in this game could have played it a lot better from the get go. You can't sit there and not be active in discussions, which most of you were. That is no ones fault but your own.

Even the first DBZ game which we (mafia) won we complained about if being OP, although in that game I still maintain we did a pretty solid job without the usual framer/roleblocker/tailor type character.

Vidae is right though. You can't have the whole mafia being inactive. It just doesn't work. 1 or 2 at the very most.

[TheBoyWonder22]

You guys knowing I was a traitor would have been beneficial, but I didn't know what your roles were so I had to pick Jensen randomly. I was sort of banking on you guys not knowing who I was so the town would buy it. I think you should have let me take him so the town believed me though. I would have led them to take out some good guys, but since they didn't trust me. Who killed me? Mafia or CJ?

[TitanHope]

We should have been more active. Absolutely, so I understand if people don't care about crying foul. I'm not trying to be a poor sport cause I hate being the guy trying to rob others of their satisfaction, and I don't want to do it here to a bunch of guys I consider friends. But c'mon! The moderator has already given the mafia two "my bad"'s, and we'll probably get another one considering how messed up having no vanialla townies was since it not only gives the town more powers but also undermines what makes my role so powerful. I wanted to take out the guys who had the town's ear. That was a strategy going into it. But we didn't have a chance since someone else who had this great ability would pop up and force us to take him out. Maybe someone, somewhere, can at least admit we were behind the 8-ball slightly more than we should have been? BB already has.

I'm just bummed the thread's daytime was always like 10 am - 5 pm. THOSE AIN'T MY HOURS, SIRS! It's 10 pm - 5 am!

All the inactivity blame goes on me, though. Jensen had work, and that even kept him from mafia discussion. Rob had school AND work. R4L had a massive paper. Todd and McGee got taken out really early so they really didn't get the chance. Renji and Scotty's postings were mostly out of defense, but they even had their detractions in timezones (Renji) and school (Scotty). So blame me for not using my ability to try to control the conversation, and not the rest of them. I had all my actual work done and haven't been at work yet this week.

[Caddy]

You guys knowing I was a traitor would have been beneficial, but I didn't know what your roles were so I had to pick Jensen randomly. I was sort of banking on you guys not knowing who I was so the town would buy it. I think you should have let me take him so the town believed me though. I would have led them to take out some good guys, but since they didn't trust me. Who killed me? Mafia or CJ?

It was CJ or Bulldogs I think. I remember reading one of them say they did it.

[TheBoyWonder22]

Yeah it was BD.when it first happened I thought it was the mafia so I was kinda pissed. Bummer, I was going to back off on Jensen and accept being killed, proving him role cop and clearing him. Oh well.

[TitanHope]

You guys knowing I was a traitor would have been beneficial, but I didn't know what your roles were so I had to pick Jensen randomly. I was sort of banking on you guys not knowing who I was so the town would buy it. I think you should have let me take him so the town believed me though. I would have led them to take out some good guys, but since they didn't trust me. Who killed me? Mafia or CJ?

Bulldogs says he killed ya.

I thought you were a Cop who didn't know he was a Traitor. It makes no sense that you knew you were a Traitor to the town, and knew who the mafia was, but the mafia didn't even know of your existence and couldn't recruit you. Usually, the Traitor tries to attract the attention of the mafia so he can be recruited.

All things aside, I'm glad BB got as creative as he did. Even if we lose, playing a different style game is worth any balance issues.

[Raiderz4Life]

Yea we didn't know TBW was a traitor or that we could even recruit him lol I even remember Jensen saying BB told him "there are no guarantees" haha

But hey I had fun playing with GOW...kinda since he died so soon, Rob, Todd and McGee the twins haha, Jensen and of course...Don TH

[Caddy]

I still hate resurrections.