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Hines
04-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Here is my take on the Steelers' draft:



1-24) David Decastro G Stanford
-Slam dunk pick. An absolute steal and game changer for a pick.
Grade: A+
2-56) Mike Adams OT Ohio State
-Once again, a very good pick. I wouldn’t have been very happy with him as a first round pick, but as a second round pick, I really do. If he can turn his life around and develop the way everyone believes he can, the Steelers stole another one.
Grade: A
3-86) Sean Spence LB Miami (Fla.)
-At first, I really didn’t like this pick. In fact, I hated it. I still don’t know how he fits the Steelers’ defensive scheme. But after further research, I’m starting to like it. While he is still small and will only be a special teams wizard while he bulks up, the kid is a football player and could be our dime LB real soon.
Grade: C+
4-109) Alameda Ta’Amu NT Washington
-Once again, this is a slam dunk pick. Once considered a first round prospect, injury and weight concerns dropped him. I have never seen a big guy move the way he has and I believe he is the heir apparent to Casey Hampton and will make a similar impact.
Grade: A+
5-159) Chris Rainey RB/WR Florida
-He has character concerns and is very small, but he will be a weapon on offense and special teams for the Steelers. As a rookie he’ll be a special package guy on offense and make an immediate impact on special teams. I liked other RBs before him, but his skill set is top notch.
Grade: B
7-231) Toney Clemons WR Colorado
-Honestly, one of my favorite picks for the Steelers. Maybe it is the fact he is from Western P a, but Clemons has everything you look for in a WR. He runs good routes, he’s big, fast, good hands, good blocker, etc. He’s very undefined as a WR, though. Every year in college he’s had a new HC, WR coach, or OC coaching him something different. The Steelers have struck gold with mid to late round WRs lately and I firmly believe Clemons will make the team as the fifth receiver and make some plays his rookie season.
Grade: B
7-240) David Paulson TE Oregon
-I said nice pick seeing Paulson’s name on the screen yesterday. With Miller, Pope, and Saunders already on the rosters as true TEs, Paulson will be competing with David Johnson for the FB/move TE role in our offense. I do not like the fact he is not that explosive, but could be an underrated receiver in our offense.
Grade: B-
7-246) Terrance Fredrick CB Texas A&M
-I really like this pick. He was a few of the late round slot guys I liked at the cornerback position. The Steelers have 3 young corners in camp that will be competing for the starting job, but I believe Frederick will make an impact in the slot and play special teams immediately. I think he’ll be the fifth CB on the team come September.
Grade: B
7-248) Kelvin Beachum OL SMU
-I’ll be honest, I do not know much about him. Colbert said he’s a very smart guy who can play every position potentially on the line. Tomlin loves guys who can play multiple positions and it’ll be fun to watch Beachum, Legursky, and Essex battle for spots along the OL.
Grade: C

Overview: The Steelers got three potential impact players in DeCastro, Adams, and Ta’Amu, while potentially getting solid role players in Spence, Rainey, Clemons, and Paulson. While DeCastro and Adams are the only starters this year, the Steelers’ special teams will improve and the long term affect of this draft could be great.

Final grade: A

SuperPacker
04-29-2012, 01:07 PM
I posted this in the Packers team board earlier:

2012 Draft Review

1. Nick Perry, DE, USC
Love this pick. Perry is a high potential pass rusher, because of his speed and explosiveness. The outside linebacker spot was a HUGE need for us, so bringing in Perry was the most sensible pick. At 270, he will have to lose some weight, which could help him loosen his hips a bit (his only real concern) and become better suited a linebacker role.

Grade - A

2. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan
Seeing TT trade up for a player is very rare, so him trading up for Jerel Worthy is a great sign. A great value pick (seen by many as a first round pick) and fills a big need created when Cullen Jenkins left last offseason. Worthy has an explosive first step and was one of the most instinctive defensive lineman in the draft. Its obvious that high on the priority list for Capers. is speed.

Grade - A+

2. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
TT has officially gone mad. With the first 3 picks in the draft we have improved each level of defense and have done so with great players and great value. Hayward a corner perfectly suited for a zone scheme, should fit right in here. He has the ball skills to challenge Woodson, so he should be a playmaker for this defense. Also a good tackler which was a definite issue last year. What makes this pick even better is that it only cost us a 5th round pick to move up 30 spots.

Grade - A+

4. Mike Daniels, DT, Iowa
What Dom Capers is looking for is even more evident now. Daniels a quick, agile defensive lineman should be a good rotational defensive tackle, who should specialise in pass rushing situations. He was also very productive last season, amassing 9.5 sacks. After grabbing Worthy earlier in the draft, defensive tackle was arguably still a position of need. Daniels will probably never be a starter, but will be a very useful player for our defense.

Grade - B+

4. Jerron McMillian, S, Maine
I confess to not knowing much about this guy, but after hearing Mel Kiper's, TT's and Dom Caper's opinion on him, im starting to warm to the pick. A underrated safety, who excels in tackling and being a disruptive force in a defense. After the loss of Nick Collins, safety was a huge need, making McMillian exactly what we need.

Grade - C+

5. Terrell Manning, ILB, North Carolina State
Another trade up by Ted Thompson and at first many (including me) were questioning the pick. After watching 3 of his games, i completely understand the move. Firstly, Manning was great value here in the 5th round and secondly, he does pretty much everything. He pass rushes with speed and agility, he tackles like a linebacker should and he has great covering skills. He will bring a lot to this defense and is a possible starter once AJ Hawk gets the **** out of Green Bay.

Grade - B+

7. Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State
Datko has issues with his shoulder, but in the 7th round the risk is very minimal. An established offensive tackle, who would be 4th on the depth chart, but if he stays healthy and gets coached like Bulaga and Newhouse did he could be more.

Grade - B

7. BJ Coleman, QB, Chattanooga
It was important for us to pick a QB in this draft and we did with the last pick of the day. Coleman is a very intelligent quarterback, who understands the game very well. He played behind a terrible offensive line and had poor receivers, so his potential has yet to be reached. If we could "Matt Flynn" him and trade him for future picks, this will be a great pick.

Grade - B+

Overall
Our defense was terrible last season, so going all out defense was the best news ever. We also grabbed 3 great players and got to see TT trade up. Because of the first 3 picks, this has to be a A or A+

Diehard
04-29-2012, 01:22 PM
Broncos:

36. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
57. Brock Osweiler, QB, ASU
67. Ronnie Hillman, RB, SDSU
101. Omar Bolden, CB, ASU
108. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
137. Malik Jackson, DE, Tennessee
188. Danny Trevathan, LB, Kentucky

Not necessarily the names I expected to hear, but addressed most of the main needs - inside pass rush, speed/quickness at RB, competition at interior OL. From a value perspective, I like the later part of the draft better - I can see all four guys picked after 100 end up being solid contributors.

The ugly mark is Osweiler in the 2nd. The assessment of whether this is a good or bad draft will eventually hinge on how he turns out.

Overall: B-

Sportsfan486
04-29-2012, 01:27 PM
Overall
Our defense was terrible last season, so going all out defense was the best news ever. We also grabbed 3 great players and got to see TT trade up. Because of the first 3 picks, this has to be a A or A+

This.

The Packers had one significant weakness last year; the opponent's passing game.

Solution? With our first six picks we selected four passrushers and two defensive backs, all of whom have a chance to come in and produce this year.

A+.

49ersfan_87
04-29-2012, 01:33 PM
1.30- AJ Jenkins, WR
2.61- LaMichael James, RB
4.117- Joe Looney, OG
5.165- Darrell Fleming, OLB
6.180-Trent Robinson, S
6.199- Jason Slowey, C
7.237- Cam Johnson, OLB

Notables: Picked up future 3rd, 5th, and 6th rounders in the 2013 draft.

First 2 picks give us playmaking ability. Jenkins is fast, gains seperation, good hands, and good character. He can go deep and intermediate and can find soft spots in the zone. James is a homerun hitter from anywhere on the field and has good vision and breakaway speed. Watch for him on screens. Both should help our 3rd down and red zone inefficiencies.

Joe Looney will compete with 2011 5th rounder Daniel Kilgore for the RG job.

Fleming and Johnson are depth to Aldon and Brooks. Slowey and Robinson are also depth but they may compete for starting spots in a year.

Overall grade: B or B+, around that area.

robert pancake gallery
04-29-2012, 01:34 PM
cleveland browns:

no grade.

because none of the players have played yet, making it impossible to grade their performance.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
04-29-2012, 01:38 PM
C overall
Got our qb and best player in the draft. Way to much offense for me on what is an atrocious abysmal down right awful defense.

SenorGato
04-29-2012, 02:45 PM
Giving the Jets a solid A. Didn't expect Coples to be there at all and he's the best pass rusher in this draft (also love Perry)...Hill has the tools the Jets need at WR and was being mocked almost 20 picks higher (not that that is a big deal for the most part since I didn't buy the Texans crap)....Davis IMO was the best true sleeper in the draft (barely heard a peep about him unlike another "sleeper" Brandon Taylor) and I stand by the "young Bart Scott" comp....they finished strong as well with Bush, Ganaway, and Allen as solid picks.

Only issues are that the Giants took McCants a pick before we took the other RG from Baylor and that Ganaway is more competition for Greene than the two speed backs who haven't done much (but even then I figured out why and I'm fine with it).

Their best draft in years on paper. Thought the last great wasn't great on paper and we got ripped for only taking 4 players ('07 Revis Harris whoever else).

RaiderNation
04-29-2012, 02:55 PM
Oakland Raiders

3rd Tony Bergstrom OT/OG Utah Grade: B
Bergstrom might be a round too early, but what he offers to us at LG/RT had to be too much for McKenzie to pass up. Very good size, quick off the snap, and in my mind can be a starting ZBS player for us. He'll likely compete with Carlisle at LG in the pre season.

4th Miles Burris SLB SDSU Grade: A-
As many of you already know I've really liked what I saw from Burris for some time, and thought he'd be a perfect fit as a pass rusher at SLB. Burris is a high motor player that will also bring much needed intinsity to this defense. He and Wheeler should see most the time at SLB this season.

5th Jack Crawford DE Penn State Grade B+
Crawford has been a prospect that the Raiders have been eyeing since the Senior Bowl and looks to be a player that we can plug in right away into our DE rotation. This pick would have been a B grade, but trading down to get the extra 7th has to make this pick get a slighly better grade.

5th Juron Criner WR Arizona Grade: A
I'm a big fan of Criner, and he showed at the Senior Bowl he can easily be productive in the NFL. Criner is a great fit into our WR group, giving Palmer a big red zone target and also a guy who isn't afraid to go over the middle. DHB, Moore and Ford on the outside with Criner and Murphy in the slot sounds good to me.

6th Christo Bilukidi DT Georgia State Grade: C-
Small school prospect that has the size to play at the next level. He will likely need time before he see's any real action, but McKenzie must think this kid could be a run stuffer for this team in the future.

7th Nathan Stupar ILB/WLB Penn State Grade: B
Stupar is a solid prospect that projects as a very solid back up and special teams player. We needed a WLB to back up Curry, and Stupar has 4 career INT's, 10 PBU and 5 sacks. Another solid football player added to the team.

Overall Grade: B+
The media doesn't like to give Oakland much positive press, especially during the draft it seems like but when you look at the circumstances new GM Reggie McKenzie was put in you will understand how this is a solid draft. McKenzie was able to make some very underrated signings this off season finding productive football players on the cheap, something Al Davis would rarely do and would instead over pay for the freak athlete. I think we found 2 starters and 3 rotational players in this draft right away, with Bilukidi being a developmental guy.

I'm still disappointed we passed on guys like Ronnell Lewis, Josh Chapman and others in the mid rounds, but I'm still content with the draft class that McKenzie is bringing in year 1.

bigbuc
04-29-2012, 03:12 PM
Tampa Bay Bucs

Mark Barron- At first didn't understand the pick, but after more info he's what the Bucs needed on D.

Doug Martin- Getting the second best back and filling a need this pick could be big.

Lavonte David- I think this was the pick of the draft for us. David is everything our LBs are not. Nose for the ball, good tackler etc...

Najee Goode- He is capable of making an immediate impact on special teams.

Keith Tandy- Gunner on SP? Also could be coached up maybe a 4th CB on day.

Michael Smith- Big speed, great 3rd back to have....

Drake Dunsmore- camp body that could be our FB.


Bucs first three picks filled big needs without over drafting the player. Then I think we went with guys who could fill roles with this team. Also if you haven't already found out, if you're a team captain most likely you'll be drafted by the Bucs.

Splat
04-29-2012, 03:42 PM
As a whole I give the Chiefs a B.

Their biggest needs going in to the draft were QB,NT and depth. They filled all of those besides QB which just wasn't going to happen.

armageddon
04-29-2012, 03:58 PM
Rams easily get an A

RD 1 - DT Brockers - Run stuffing beast

RD 2 - WR Quick - Rams coaches love him and call him the best WR prospect in draft

RD 2 - CB Jenkins - steal of draft. Best CB in the draft

RD 2 - RB Pead - Rams finally have a change of pace RB to go with SJax

RD 3 - CB Johnson. Big, athletic CB who had 1st round grade by many

RD 4 - WR Givens - Another huge steal. Vertical receiver. Best route runner in draft.

6 studs

SuperPacker
04-29-2012, 04:06 PM
I LOVE the rams draft! The two corners they got are both first round talents IMO, so if they pan out it would be amazing. Not a huge fan of Brockers, but it makes sense, Quick is a very talented receiver and Givens will be a nice compliment to him.

JohnCandy
04-29-2012, 04:29 PM
Bears Draft Grade

This draft showed us that Phillip Emery is not drafting out of a magazine and he is trying to be creative with his picks.

1[19] DE Shea McClellin [Boise State] A-

The Bears needed a DE that can make more dynamic plays that Idonije and that is what McClellin is. McClellin is a high motor, high character player that has sneaky athletic ability and simply makes plays. What makes me love this pick is that with Peppers and Melton collapsing the pocket McClellin's hustle should allow him to make a ton of plays cleaning up after what those guys do. McClellin and his relentless nature are what the Bears thrive on at defense. Emery showed his conviction to the pick by passing on more athletic, but riskier picks in Jones and Mercilus.

http://media.knoxnews.com/media/img/photos/2011/12/03/media_94686122c6d143269f6e4c2559050325_t607.jpg

2[45] WR Alshon Jeffery [South Carolina] A

This is the pick that will make this draft an franchise defining draft or simply a solid one. Jeffery has top 10 talent and arguably the best hands in the draft. He has everything you look for in a #1 WR except for elite separation skills. Jeffery is not going to be asked to be the #1 in Chicago that is saved for Brandon Marshall. He is going to be asked to come in and physically dominate single coverage across from Marshall. Jeffery provides the Bears with a gigantic WR core and the risk is nothing compared to the possible upside. At worst I think that Jeffery becomes a Michael Jenkins [Vikings], but if he hits this could be the best WR core in the NFL.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/alshon-jeffery.jpg

3[79] S Brandon Hardin [Oregon St] B-

The Bears had bigger needs than safety so I understand why people did not love this pick. But the safety position is huge for the Cover 2 defense and Major Wright has been injured and inconsistent. On top of Major Wright's injuries Conte finished last season on IR and we do not have anyone with the speed and range to truly back up at those positions. Hardin is a physical freak with the size [6'3" 220lbs] and hitting ability to back up Wright and the speed [4.45] and coverage ability [played CB in college]. Hardin provides a physical freak that can play a number of positions. It would not shock me if he is starting by week 6 at SS.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/p480x480/575480_10150794874854452_115897014451_9084902_1603 240857_n.jpg

4[111] TE Evan Rodriguez [Temple] B

TE was not a huge need heading into the draft and Rodriguez does not have the size to be a Gronkowski type of player. All of those criticisms are fair, but what Rodriguez does provide is a weapon and a player that the Bears simply do not have. He is a new type of weapon in the Aaron Hernandez mold and forces teams to prepare for a different type of player. Rodriquez is to big for a CB to cover and he is to fast for a safety to cover. This pick was off the radar, but it makes the Bears more dynamic and dangerous on offense.

http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0428/chi_u_evan-rodriguez_mb_600.jpg

6[184] CB Isiaih Frey [Nevade] B

I thought the Bears needed to add CB depth and a developmental player and while I do not know a lot about Frey he seems to have the size and physical ability to one day start in the Cover 2 defense. Frey is a solid player that has played in a zone coverage system and is worth development.

http://s337311667.onlinehome.us/winners_mic/2010_10/sporta1.jpg

7[220] CB Greg McCoy [Texas Christian] C

As much as I like the Frey pick, I do not see how the Bears are going to keep around 2 developmental CBs. McCoy has physical ability and has shown a lot on special teams, but the Bears have a ton of pure special teams players and could have used a developmental player at another spot. In the end a 7th round pick probably does not have a huge impact on the team, unless they play OL [Webb, Louis]. I do not love the pick of a 2nd deep developmental CB.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bears-huddle/files/2012/04/mccoy_23.jpg

Overall I would grade this draft at a B+/A- and I think that Emery was sneaky good in putting this class together.

All I know is this is the most talented Bears roster in my lifetime.

robert pancake gallery
04-29-2012, 04:36 PM
Rams easily get an A

RD 1 - DT Brockers - Run stuffing beast

RD 2 - WR Quick - Rams coaches love him and call him the best WR prospect in draft

RD 2 - CB Jenkins - steal of draft. Best CB in the draft

RD 2 - RB Pead - Rams finally have a change of pace RB to go with SJax

RD 3 - CB Johnson. Big, athletic CB who had 1st round grade by many

RD 4 - WR Givens - Another huge steal. Vertical receiver. Best route runner in draft.

6 studs

agreed, i would easily compare brockers to john henderson, quick to torry holt, janoris jenkins to nnamdi asomugha, pead to brandon jacobs, johnson to champ bailey, and givens to randy moss.

SuperPacker
04-29-2012, 04:38 PM
agreed, i would easily compare brockers to john henderson, quick to torry holt, janoris jenkins to nnamdi asomugha, pead to brandon jacobs, johnson to champ bailey, and givens to randy moss.

:coolface:

I realised when you compared Pead to Brandon Jacobs.

MasterShake
04-29-2012, 04:44 PM
Rams easily get an A

RD 1 - DT Brockers - Run stuffing beast

RD 2 - WR Quick - Rams coaches love him and call him the best WR prospect in draft

RD 2 - CB Jenkins - steal of draft. Best CB in the draft

RD 2 - RB Pead - Rams finally have a change of pace RB to go with SJax

RD 3 - CB Johnson. Big, athletic CB who had 1st round grade by many

RD 4 - WR Givens - Another huge steal. Vertical receiver. Best route runner in draft.

6 studs

Suuuuuuuuuper Booooooooowl!!!!!!

vidae
04-29-2012, 04:51 PM
Kansas City Chiefs
2012 Draft Grades

Round 1, pick 11: Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis (A+)

Poe was the #2 prospect in the draft on my board for the Chiefs. Massive upside at a position of huge need plus RAC will hopefully equal success. The future of this draft will largely depend on how he plays, but I couldn't have been happier with the pick.

Round 2, pick 44: Jeff Allen - OG - Illinois (A)

Guard was arguably one of our biggest needs and Jeff Allen will be brought along like Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson: sitting a year before taking over for Ryan Lilja next year.

Round 3, pick 74: Donald Stephenson - OT - Oklahoma (B+)

At first glance this might have seemed a luxury pick to many, but we only have three OTs on the roster. A swing tackle and perhaps an eventual replacement for Branden Albert was essential in this draft and we wasted no time on addressing it. He is a local KC kid who the Chiefs were very high on and they were afraid he wouldn't be there later. OT/OL depth was a huge concern for this team, so this fits in perfectly.

Round 4, pick 107: Devon Wylie - WR - Fresno State (B)

WR depth was almost as important as OL depth for this team as we didn't re-sign any of our FA WRs. We needed a slot WR and hopefully he can stay healthy and become what Dexter McCluster should have been when we wasted a high second on him.

Round 5, pick 146: DeQuan Menzie - S - Alabama (B+)

One of my favorite picks of this draft, I joked that Pioli still needed to draft his SEC DB, and he got it here in Menzie. A CB in college, he'll convert to S with the Chiefs and play as our third S. RAC ran three S sets more often than not last year, and is even more essential now that Peyton Manning is in the division.

Round 6, pick 182: Cyrus Gray - RB - Texas A&M (A)

I was a big fan of Cyrus last year and RB depth is a need. If Peyton Hillis doesn't work out we have the future change of pace back to pair with Jamaal Charles already on the roster. It doesn't hurt to add some quality depth at a position where both Charles and Hillis missed significant time last year either.

Round 7, pick 218: Jerome Long - DT - SDSU (D)

Projects as a 5tech for the Chiefs but I don't know much about him and I have to think that it's an uphill battle to make the roster at that position. Who knows, but I would have preferred to go any number of different directions with this pick.

Round 7, pick 238: Junior Hemingway - WR - Michigan (C)

I'm not going to scoff at WR depth here either. Getting younger at that position was important as most of the WRs on the depth chart were old as balls and not retained.

Overall: solid B as it stands right now. This draft wasn't sexy but it will be effective for what we needed. We didn't address QB (Ryan Tannehill was my #1 for the Chiefs) but after him there was no real reason to as no one in round two or later would have beat out Cassel anyway.

Pat Sims 90
04-29-2012, 04:52 PM
Bengals

1a. CB Dre Kirkpatrick
1b. OG Kevin Zeitler
2. DT Devon Still
3a. WR Mohamad Sanu
3b. DT Brandon Thompson
4. TE Orson Charles
5a. CB Shaun Prater
5b. WR Marvin Jones
5c. S George Iloka
6. RB Dan "Boom" Herron

It is hard not to give the Bengals a A at this point got a lot of great value picks in the later rounds and filled some needs on top of that.

ramsrule
04-29-2012, 05:04 PM
agreed, i would easily compare brockers to john henderson, quick to torry holt, janoris jenkins to nnamdi asomugha, pead to brandon jacobs, johnson to champ bailey, and givens to randy moss.

Big Rams fan here.....not too sure about the Brockers pick. Would have like to have seen them pick the guard from Stanford that went to the Steelers. Brockers sounds more like a diamond in the rough, and a two win team needs people who can contribute right away. Normally I do not pay much attention to these types of stats (Penn State DL and Miami QB's) but how many LSU players become better than average players in the NFL? Bowe is a stud, Peterson has potential, and Addai had a few good years. I am going to do more research on this topic, but to me, at first glance, LSU players seem to underachieve in the NFL.

I like the pick of Quick. Living in NC and having friends who graduated from there, I follow App State and I think he is going to be a good one. Jenkins is a stud. Just hope he does not end up like Phillips (being a Miami Hurricane fan, I began following him since his days as a high school standout at "the Muck." Was disappointed when he chose Gators). Was hoping they would take Miller or the rb from Oregon, but Pead seems like a good pick. They needed a kicker since they released Brown and got the top rated one in the draft. Would have like to have seen them address their OL and LB needs earlier. Overall, I give them a B-. Do not know much about Givens, but I hear he has good speed and is a good route runner. Those combinations make for a successful wr IMHO.

wicket
04-29-2012, 05:06 PM
Obviously the Saints wont have much impact players out of this draft with no first or second rounder.

Rd3: Akiem Hicks
Value: C
Need: B
Fit:C

Akiem Hicks is a huge project with enormous upside. Admittedly id prefer to see him as a 34 end, not as a DT. Its the type of pick that you can only judge a few years from now as I admittedly am struggling to see how good or decent this kid can become. Overall grade C+

Rd4: Nick Toon
Value: B+
Need: B+
Fit: C
Even though I do like this pick best it also somewhat baffles me as Toon is exactly the type of receiver that does not have that much value in the Saints offense. The saints are great employers of diverse types of receivers which why it puzzles me why the saints would use a draftpick on a rather blend possession receiver. Overall Grade: B-

Rd5: Corey White
Value: F
Need: B- (kinda depends on where he ends up)
Fit: B-
It felt a bit early for a kid that would have probably gone undrafted if the saints didnt pick him. A long term project that needs to learn a new position and adjust from D2 football to pro football. I really struggle to see how this kid will get a rosterspot. Overall Grade D+

Rd6: Andrew Tiller
Value: D
Need: B
Fit: B
I guess the FO saw a classic mauler in Tiller that would keep the pocket clear for Brees but for someone you draft for strength only I fail to see why Tillman would get drafted by anyone. I guess i just cant see what the FO sees in TIllman to make him draftable. Overall Grade: C-

Rd7: Marcel Jones
Value: C
Need: D
Fit: B
Just your average project tackle. Probably not the greatest upside but it was worth a 7th round flyer i guess. Still there were more intriguing prospects available but this pick did at least make a bit of sense.
Overall Grade: C

To wrap it up:
The saints failed to get anything resembling good value with any of their picks nor did the big needs get filled which makes me wonder what the objectives where. It almost seems that the staff got overenarmoured by their own ability to find small school gems. After the last 4ish years I dont get why the saints FO has a good draftday reputation, they find some late round gems every now and then but the teams quality is mainly build through elite free agency, not elite drafting iyam. This draft is no different as the FO seemed like it tried to be smarter than everyone i guess. Overall grade: C

ramsrule
04-29-2012, 05:07 PM
Watch out for Herron. Also, look for Charles to become a reliable weapon behind Grisham.

1a. CB Dre Kirkpatrick
1b. OG Kevin Zeitler
2. DT Devon Still
3a. WR Mohamad Sanu
3b. DT Brandon Thompson
4. TE Orson Charles
5a. CB Shaun Prater
5b. WR Marvin Jones
5c. S George Iloka
6. RB Dan "Boom" Herron

It is hard not to give the Bengals a A at this point got a lot of great value picks in the later rounds and filled some needs on top of that.[/QUOTE]

ramsrule
04-29-2012, 05:09 PM
Poe, IMHO, may be a bit overrated. However, Allen should be a starter for the next ten years.

Round 1, pick 11: Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis (A+)

Poe was the #2 prospect in the draft on my board for the Chiefs. Massive upside at a position of huge need plus RAC will hopefully equal success. The future of this draft will largely depend on how he plays, but I couldn't have been happier with the pick.

Round 2, pick 44: Jeff Allen - OG - Illinois (A)

Guard was arguably one of our biggest needs and Jeff Allen will be brought along like Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson: sitting a year before taking over for Ryan Lilja next year.

Round 3, pick 74: Donald Stephenson - OT - Oklahoma (B+)

At first glance this might have seemed a luxury pick to many, but we only have three OTs on the roster. A swing tackle and perhaps an eventual replacement for Branden Albert was essential in this draft and we wasted no time on addressing it. He is a local KC kid who the Chiefs were very high on and they were afraid he wouldn't be there later. OT/OL depth was a huge concern for this team, so this fits in perfectly.

Round 4, pick 107: Devon Wylie - WR - Fresno State (B)

WR depth was almost as important as OL depth for this team as we didn't re-sign any of our FA WRs. We needed a slot WR and hopefully he can stay healthy and become what Dexter McCluster should have been when we wasted a high second on him.

Round 5, pick 146: DeQuan Menzie - S - Alabama (B+)

One of my favorite picks of this draft, I joked that Pioli still needed to draft his SEC DB, and he got it here in Menzie. A CB in college, he'll convert to S with the Chiefs and play as our third S. RAC ran three S sets more often than not last year, and is even more essential now that Peyton Manning is in the division.

Round 6, pick 182: Cyrus Gray - RB - Texas A&M (A)

I was a big fan of Cyrus last year and RB depth is a need. If Peyton Hillis doesn't work out we have the future change of pace back to pair with Jamaal Charles already on the roster. It doesn't hurt to add some quality depth at a position where both Charles and Hillis missed significant time last year either.

Round 7, pick 218: Jerome Long - DT - SDSU (D)

Projects as a 5tech for the Chiefs but I don't know much about him and I have to think that it's an uphill battle to make the roster at that position. Who knows, but I would have preferred to go any number of different directions with this pick.

Round 7, pick 238: Junior Hemingway - WR - Michigan (C)

I'm not going to scoff at WR depth here either. Getting younger at that position was important as most of the WRs on the depth chart were old as balls and not retained.

Overall: solid B as it stands right now. This draft wasn't sexy but it will be effective for what we needed. We didn't address QB (Ryan Tannehill was my #1 for the Chiefs) but after him there was no real reason to as no one in round two or later would have beat out Cassel anyway.[/QUOTE]

robert pancake gallery
04-29-2012, 05:11 PM
Kansas City Chiefs
2012 Draft Grades

Round 1, pick 11: Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis (A+)

Poe was the #2 prospect in the draft on my board for the Chiefs. Massive upside at a position of huge need plus RAC will hopefully equal success. The future of this draft will largely depend on how he plays, but I couldn't have been happier with the pick.

Round 2, pick 44: Jeff Allen - OG - Illinois (A)

Guard was arguably one of our biggest needs and Jeff Allen will be brought along like Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson: sitting a year before taking over for Ryan Lilja next year.

Round 3, pick 74: Donald Stephenson - OT - Oklahoma (B+)

At first glance this might have seemed a luxury pick to many, but we only have three OTs on the roster. A swing tackle and perhaps an eventual replacement for Branden Albert was essential in this draft and we wasted no time on addressing it. He is a local KC kid who the Chiefs were very high on and they were afraid he wouldn't be there later. OT/OL depth was a huge concern for this team, so this fits in perfectly.

Round 4, pick 107: Devon Wylie - WR - Fresno State (B)

WR depth was almost as important as OL depth for this team as we didn't re-sign any of our FA WRs. We needed a slot WR and hopefully he can stay healthy and become what Dexter McCluster should have been when we wasted a high second on him.

Round 5, pick 146: DeQuan Menzie - S - Alabama (B+)

One of my favorite picks of this draft, I joked that Pioli still needed to draft his SEC DB, and he got it here in Menzie. A CB in college, he'll convert to S with the Chiefs and play as our third S. RAC ran three S sets more often than not last year, and is even more essential now that Peyton Manning is in the division.

Round 6, pick 182: Cyrus Gray - RB - Texas A&M (A)

I was a big fan of Cyrus last year and RB depth is a need. If Peyton Hillis doesn't work out we have the future change of pace back to pair with Jamaal Charles already on the roster. It doesn't hurt to add some quality depth at a position where both Charles and Hillis missed significant time last year either.

Round 7, pick 218: Jerome Long - DT - SDSU (D)

Projects as a 5tech for the Chiefs but I don't know much about him and I have to think that it's an uphill battle to make the roster at that position. Who knows, but I would have preferred to go any number of different directions with this pick.

Round 7, pick 238: Junior Hemingway - WR - Michigan (C)

I'm not going to scoff at WR depth here either. Getting younger at that position was important as most of the WRs on the depth chart were old as balls and not retained.

Overall: solid B as it stands right now. This draft wasn't sexy but it will be effective for what we needed. We didn't address QB (Ryan Tannehill was my #1 for the Chiefs) but after him there was no real reason to as no one in round two or later would have beat out Cassel anyway.

five of your first six picks were B+ or higher but your final grade was a B?

Duffman57
04-29-2012, 05:18 PM
I think for the first time in a while the Chargers did REALLY well in this draft.

Melvin Ingram OLB, SC

I dislike this pick more than most, but he's a really tough guy, who just plays hard and is around the ball. Brings some intensity and leadership to our D. He's not gonna be a great edge rusher ever IMO, but he's a guy who we can really move around and confuse Offenses with. He's never going to be a #1 pass rusher, nor should he be. He's a leader on this team by year 2/3 once Spikes is gone.

Grade: B

Kendall Reyes DE/DT, UCONN

This is a pick that was really a need without being too pressing of a need. We have Castillo/Vaughn Martin and Liuget starting, but really behind those three, our DE's are just terrible, and none of them are really good run stuffers. Thats exactly what Reyes brings to the table. We didn't really have a big pressing need other than SS where there were no worth while prospects on board, so we chose one of the BPA that was safe (Worthy and Still were risky with Motivation/Injury issues respectively). He's got loads of upside, and is known as a really quiet guy but also a really hard worker.

Grade: A-

Brandon Taylor SS, LSU

I like this pick more than most. He's a big physical presence at SS, who loves to hit. He's another physical mentality guy, who was the leader of that LSU D, consistently setting guys up and putting them in place pre snap. Perfect compliment to Weddle, and another smart guy, who is solid in coverage.

Grade: A- (only because we gave up our 6th rounder to get him)

LaDarius Green TE, University of Louisiana Lafayette

This is a great pick. My favorite thing about this draft is that we sat back and let talent fall to us for the most part, but weren't afraid to go up and get the guy we wanted for a low cost. But Green is the PERFECT guy to come in and learn behind Gates, while being somewhat of a H Back/Slot Receiver/TE who we're gonna move around a LOT to create mismatches, similar to how Hernandez is used as a 2nd TE, and how we've used McMichael for a few years (Norv among others used the TE's like the patriots did last year, years before the pats, he just didn't have 2 top TE's, so quit saying that the patriots created it...). He'll get some PT early, and then once he's ready(and bulked up)/Gates is gone, he'll take over full duty.

Grade: A

Johnnie Troutman OG, Penn State

He's solid but nothing more. If you watch the game vs. Bama, he really played incredibly well, but i haven't seen much of him other than that. This was the only pick i wasn't a big fan of with our draft, and even then, its not the worst pick we could've made. With Brandon Washington still on the board here, i'm not a big fan of this pick, but there's gotta be something up with Washington.

Grade: C

David Molk C, Michigan

LOVE this pick, he's not a guy who is flashy in any means, but he consistently gets the job done. He's a guy who's a perfect replacement for Hardwick eventually, but he's just a scrappy, REALLY smart player, who i think should've gotten picked in the 4th round, challenging Ben Jones for the 2nd C. He will be a backup for a year or two at least, but will be great once he's able to start. Exceptional value here.

Grade: A+

Edwin Baker RB, Michigan State

Once again, sat back, and just took the value that fell to us. He's nothing flashy, but a hard runner who is quick and somewhat fast. I think he could've gone up to the 4th or 5th round, but he's a solid backup/3rd RB, who will compete with UDFA's (Adonis Thomas/Michael Hayes) and Curtis Brinkley for a spot on the roster. We'll likely sign a FA RB to backup RM with guys like Jackie Battle, Addai, Hightower among others.

Grade: B+

Overall Draft Grade: B+/A-

We filled all our needs, and sat back and let value fall to use and scooped it up. When you have a draft where 5 out of 7 of the players are going to come in right away and can make an impact on the team, is no doubt a great draft.

Lil Quip
04-29-2012, 05:18 PM
Big Rams fan here.....not too sure about the Brockers pick. Would have like to have seen them pick the guard from Stanford that went to the Steelers. Brockers sounds more like a diamond in the rough, and a two win team needs people who can contribute right away. Normally I do not pay much attention to these types of stats (Penn State DL and Miami QB's) but how many LSU players become better than average players in the NFL? Bowe is a stud, Peterson has potential, and Addai had a few good years. I am going to do more research on this topic, but to me, at first glance, LSU players seem to underachieve in the NFL.

I like the pick of Quick. Living in NC and having friends who graduated from there, I follow App State and I think he is going to be a good one. Jenkins is a stud. Just hope he does not end up like Phillips (being a Miami Hurricane fan, I began following him since his days as a high school standout at "the Muck." Was disappointed when he chose Gators). Was hoping they would take Miller or the rb from Oregon, but Pead seems like a good pick. They needed a kicker since they released Brown and got the top rated one in the draft. Would have like to have seen them address their OL and LB needs earlier. Overall, I give them a B-. Do not know much about Givens, but I hear he has good speed and is a good route runner. Those combinations make for a successful wr IMHO.

I would argue that the Rams have absolutely no need to win now. The have a metric ass ton of picks in the earlier part of the draft for this year and next. Let Bradford ease into his prime with no big pressure. Give a bunch of young guys playing time to develop their game. Try to give Jackson yards to bolster his HoF resume or trade him to a contender. With a good draft next year, they should be stocked with enough talent to make plenty of noise in the playoffs.

keylime_5
04-29-2012, 05:21 PM
B-/C+.

Love the Richardson pick. Trevin Wade and Billy Winn were steals in the 6th/7th. James-Michael Johnson was a great pick in late round 4, eventual starting NFL linebacker. Mitchell Schwartz, solid yet unspectacular pick without great upside. Travis Benjamin was a solid pick in round 4. John Hughes was a meh pick in round 3, seems like a reach but he was a late riser who profiles as a #3 DT.

Weeden pick is key. If he pans out to be a top 15 passer in the NFL and the leader of a fantastic offense then the public opinion of this draft will soar. If he is average or worse then everyone will point and laugh at taking a 28 year old that high. If Weeden is a real good QB then he should play for ~8 years in his prime, so no worries about age at that point really.

But all in all, Richardson is going to be a perennial pro bowler so it's hard to give a team that drafted one of the 3 or 4 elite players in this draft a bad grade. Only about 6 - 8 teams probably end up with elite players in this draft, and Cleveland is likely one of those teams.

Monomach
04-29-2012, 05:35 PM
Just straight-up copypasta'd mine from the Bears forum:


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Round 1- Shea McClellin (theoretically a LE)
Good motor, good pad level. Undersized for a 4-3 DE, especially on the left where we'll be playing him. Got pushed around by NFL-sized tackles in college. Very weak upper body. He's never going to get through a double team, but he won't have to while we have Peppers. What happens when Peppers is gone? I give it a D because he only fits the scheme as a situational pass rusher right now, and you can't spend first round pick on those. If he can put on 15 pounds of upper body muscle and can still move smoothly, I'll change the grade.

Round 2- Alshon Jeffery, WR
Great flanker when he's in shape, not so great when he's fat. Has Mike Williams-itis. Should be a nice possession target with YAC ability across from Marshall. Though I don't understand why we're playing Marshall, the prototypical flanker, at split end, anyway...? Grade of B, but only because of the weight issues.

Round 3- Brandon Hardin, SS
Giant college corner who actually moved like a corner. Borderline linebacker size. Workout warrior. I like him a lot more than most, but I see a lot of potential for him to be an excellent coverage strong safety. Injury issues are overblown. All breaks, with none to the neck, back, or foot, so who cares? As far as I know, breaking his shoulder once doesn't make him any more likely to break it in the future. Probably would have been there a round later, so it was a mild reach. I think he'll see the field in his first season in an under-fire audition with how bad Major Wright is against the pass. C+.

Round 4- Evan Rodriguez, TE, FB, H-back, somethingorother
Somewhere between a homeless man's and a poor man's Aaron Hernandez. Has some decent measureables, which I like. Has more than one thing on his criminal record...that's something I hate. Boom or bust, which is how I roll in the fourth round, myself. B-.

Rounds 5-7
Who cares? Eliminate these from the draft and let the special teams/depth fodder/project kids sign where they want.

Overall grade: C with the potential to be a failure of Millenesque proportion. You don't fix the worst line in the league with scheme changes and elimination of 7 step drops; you fix it with better players. What's the best case scenario right now? Firing Mike Martz takes us from 32nd to 26th or 25th? It's all fun and games until your QB storms into free agency in disgust or winds up on the PUP list. I hate having to watch the perennially-successful teams scoop up the linemen. A great example is the Steelers. They had the 25th ranked O line last season. They used their first two picks on the O line and got guys that other teams with worse front offices let fall. There's a reason they're always picking at the ass-end of the draft. Even worse are the Saints. #1 line in the league last season. They lose a single guard, so they restructure multiple guys to free up cap space to get a decent replacement to ensure Drew Brees' continued safety.

Disappointing choice by the Bears, to say the least. We've finally got a franchise QB. Let's keep him on his feet and healthy before he signs with someone who will in 2014.

SuperPacker
04-29-2012, 05:39 PM
Rounds 5-7
Who cares? Eliminate these from the draft and let the special teams/depth fodder/project kids sign where they want.

This is a terrible/disgusting/horrific idea!

vidae
04-29-2012, 05:41 PM
five of your first six picks were B+ or higher but your final grade was a B?

Do I really have to average it out? Does it matter that much? Really? You're that guy?

jojo
04-29-2012, 05:44 PM
Dallas Cowboys

Morris Claiborne, CB
Tyrone Crawford, DE
Kyle Wilbur, DE
Matt Johnson, DB
Danny Coale, WR
James Hanna, TE
Caleb McSurley, LB

This draft shows the heavy influence Rob Ryan has on the Cowboys, Claiborne at corner will probably start, then back to back DEs. A good, young defense got younger. ESPN gives them a C-, I give them a B- b/c Claiborne will be an instant impact rookie & raises the grade by a letter. Grade would be higher if they had found a pure center, now they will throw that spot open to 3 converted OGs.

twiz
04-29-2012, 05:45 PM
I'm looking at the Browns as a C+. Too many early picks used on reaches and prospects that have glaring issues next to the needs of the team.

Richardson (1st), JMJ (4th) and Smelley (7th) I thought were all A's. JMJ can be an instant starter on the weakside, and Smelley is avery versatile player for special teams and situational offensive plays. He has great hands too. Richardson goes without saying.

Wade (7th), Winn (6th), Acho (6th) and Schwartz (2nd) all get B's from me. Acho is much needed depth for a thin LB corps. Winn could end up being a big steal if he becomes more consistent. Wade gives the secondary depth and he's a well-rounded player. Picking guys this late that I can easily see make the roster is good... and reflects poorly on the current roster...

C's were given to Miller (5th), Benjamin (4th), and Weeden (1st). They're drafted at places of need, but I have a tough time seeing what they bring to the table at this point. Miller's a very tall guard who, while talented, is going to get beat underneath simply because of his size. Benjamin is pretty much the opposite of the receiver Cleveland needed. This really solidifies Little and Massaquoi as the two starting WR's, as the rest of the team is really only suited for the slot. Weeden... I'm kind of tired of the Weeden debate. He's an upgrade over McCoy, but two-three seasons from now you'll already be looking for a successor. Is Cleveland ready to contend in the next couple seasons? It's tough to say yes. That's pretty much Weeden's window. He needs to pan out immediately and have a massive impact.

Hughes (3rd) gets a D from me. He gives great effort and is good against the run, an area Cleveland has struggled with for a long time. But he's limited athletically, doesn't show a good first step as a rusher, and I really think he's going to be nothing more than a backup player. I really have a tough time even seeing him in the rotation. Taken in the 3rd round, there were better, much better prospects available.

armageddon
04-29-2012, 05:52 PM
agreed, i would easily compare brockers to john henderson, quick to torry holt, janoris jenkins to nnamdi asomugha, pead to brandon jacobs, johnson to champ bailey, and givens to randy moss.



Quick is nothing like Holt. Quick is more like TO. He's 6'4 220 lbs

stl9erfan
04-29-2012, 05:53 PM
49ers: B grade, overall. Hit on all their needs, seemed to get quality players. I have a feeling that in future years this grade is more likely to go up than down, given Baalke's draft history so far. After every year, there are some "WTF picks" that have inevitably turned out to be very good selections. So we'll see.

1) AJ Jenkins, WR, Illinois-- Was totally off my radar screen heading into the draft. I thought receiver was a likely direction for the Niners in the 1st round, but I guess I thought that a bigger guy was more likely-- in particular, I was definitely on the Stephen Hill bandwagon. Examining the choice more closely, though, there's a lot to like with Jenkins. Statistically speaking, he led his team in receptions with 90 last season, and he did that with a mediocre QB and no other significant receiving threats on the roster (the player with the next most receptions had 26). Given his top end speed, strong hands, and smooth route running, Jenkins should be able to come in and contribute right away. If he's able to add a little bulk to his 6 foot frame, he could be a future No. 1 target.

2) LaMichael James, RB, Oregon-- James was my personal draft crush this year. Love the pick. I think he's been somewhat unfairly pigeonholed as a 3rd down back and possible return man. I think he has a chance to be that and more. I see him in the mold of a Chris Johnson type RB-- maybe not quite that fast, but I think he's got enough vision and is slippery enough to contribute on 1st and 2nd downs. And with the way the Niners like to run the fly sweep, I look for James to get a lot of use in the slot and be an absolute terror when the Niners hand the ball off to him. Frank Gore is still the man in SF, but with him starting to show signs of age, it's nice that the Niners have a pair of younger backs in Kendall Hunter and James to help shoulder the load.

4) Joe Looney, OG, Wake Forest-- Guard was a need for the Niners entering the draft, but I never thought it was very likely that it would be a position they'd look to draft in the first two days. Frankly, I just don't think there's necessarily that much of a difference between the kind of player you can get at the end of the first versus a player who can be found on day 3. So if the Niners weren't going to trade up for a blue-chipper like DeCastro, I figured they'd wait to address the need. Looney himself sounds like a good fit who slipped a bit due to a foot injury suffered prior to the draft. Good, strong player with top intangibles who needs to work on his pass protection technique. I expect him to come in and compete with last year's 5th round choice Dan Kilgore for the starting RG spot.

5) Darius Fleming, OLB, Notre Dame-- Depth at OLB was another need for the Niners heading into the draft. They made it through last season with just 3 players at the position, and luckily did not suffer any injuries there. Fleming has the chops to provide depth, contribute some situational pass rushing, and help out on special teams. A solid, if unspectacular pick.

6a) Trenton Robinson, FS, Michigan State-- Another need pick, the Niners entered the draft with basically three viable guys to play safety. Robinson could be a key backup and has the speed to contribute on special teams.

6b) Jason Slowey, C, Western Oregon-- An interesting developmental prospect at center. Slowey appears to have the physical measurables and mean streak required to play on the interior at the pro-level, but obviously his level of competition at Western Oregon was not very high. Will no doubt spend a year on the bench as the Niners look to develop him for the future.

7) Cam Johnson, OLB, Virginia-- A classic boom or bust choice in the 7th round, Johnson has the physical tools to thrive as a pass rusher in the NFL but did not play with a consistent enough motor at Virginia. As a seventh round selection, the potential downside for the Niners is very small. An excellent gamble.

Trades: The Niners essentially traded away their third round choice in this year's draft in order to pick up: 1) an extra 6th round pick this year, 2) an extra third, an extra 5th, and an extra 6th round choice next year, and 3) help move up their choice in the 4th round in order to select Looney. That's a lot of value extracted for just one pick and you've got to think the extra selections next year should give the Niners a lot of flexibility in that draft.

fenikz
04-29-2012, 06:02 PM
13. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - A

While I wanted a OT in the 1st Whis & Graves stuck to their board as usual and took BPA. Floyd can be a top 10-15 WR in the league in a few years opposite of Fitz.
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80. Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma - A-

At 1st I hated the pick, Bobby Massie was by far BPA to me and filled our biggest need but once we selected him in the 4th I felt much happier. Fleming is a steal in his own right and should be starter opposite of PP later in the season
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jamell+Fleming+Tostitos+Fiesta+Bowl+Connecticut+dt FLxA4rvQal.jpg

112. Bobby Massie, OT, Ole Miss - A+

Simply love Massie now after watching film vs LSU and Bama should start at RT for us from day 1 and quite frankly I think we would be better off with him at LT and moving Brown to RT. Massie excels in pass blocking and uses his length well vs speed rushers. He fell to the point that you start to wonder what's wrong with him but I haven't found it and am ecstatic we got him this late or at all.
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151. Senio Kelemete, OG, Washington - A-

Another value pick for AZ and once again filling a position of need, it will be interesting to see if newly acquired OL Synder will be able to hold off Kelemete through the offseason. While his best position in LG he has the strength and ability to run block for days which leads me to believe he could start sooner than later.
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177. Justin Bethel, S, Presbyterian - B+

Hadn't seen much of him going into the draft and even now I can only judge his play from a few highlights but I love his personality/character. He is a special teams ace and should start opposite of PP on FG blocks(had 9 in his career) and give us a guy to block punts while PP returns them. Long term project at safety but with the necessary traits to be a starter 1 day. Also he is only 2nd to Adrian Wilson in the muscles contest.
http://nflcardinals.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bethelbloguse.jpg

185. Ryan Lindley, QB, San Diego State - C+

I was a huge fan of Lindley following last season, even considered him a 1st round QB, but his play fell off this season. A lot of that can be attributed to losing his 2 best WRs and having another new OC(3rd in 4 years). But his technique is obviously flawed in some way which leads to inconsistent passes, will go from a Cam Cam Cannon to a Leinart Lob in 1 play. Would grade him higher but I didn't think this was a need and OLB would of been nice here.
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221. Nate Potter, OT, Boise State - B-

Was thought of as a ZBS only LT which is why I believe he fell but his frame can potentially pack on some muscle and no one is better than John Lott at achieving those goals. Could potentially be an average starter down the road and gives us O-Line depth which we have never had.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1xEgJOMvx9I/T0rnXfjJ_UI/AAAAAAAAAec/QOlRWzqTFmA/s1600/nate-potter.jpg

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Overall: B+

Would be an easy A in my mind had we just selected a OLB in the last 2 picks, but Whis/Horton love Acho and Schofield and Haggans is a solid rotational OLB need to bring in another vet for depth though

WCH
04-29-2012, 06:14 PM
five of your first six picks were B+ or higher but your final grade was a B?

Simpson's Paradox.

fenikz
04-29-2012, 06:17 PM
Grading the player & grading the draft are different, may not have addressed a need you thought you should

regoob2
04-29-2012, 06:18 PM
Bengals

1a. CB Dre Kirkpatrick
1b. OG Kevin Zeitler
2. DT Devon Still
3a. WR Mohamad Sanu
3b. DT Brandon Thompson
4. TE Orson Charles
5a. CB Shaun Prater
5b. WR Marvin Jones
5c. S George Iloka
6. RB Dan "Boom" Herron

It is hard not to give the Bengals a A at this point got a lot of great value picks in the later rounds and filled some needs on top of that.
It's hard to not give them an A+.

nepg
04-29-2012, 06:22 PM
The Chiefs did everything I wanted them to do and they did it very well. They got Planet Theory guys with strong character and perfect scheme fits in the first three rounds.

They got the do-all backup runningback I said they needed behind Charles, Hillis, and McCluster. Much-needed with Charles & Hillis coming off of injuries.

They added two receivers, which I'd hoped they would. It really doesn't have anything to do with them re-signing anyone...the guys they had behind Breaston, Baldwin, and Bowe ******* sucked. Wylie is the immediate #4 WR on the depth chart and will fit in well and adapt quickly coming from Pat Hill's offense. Hemingway is a nice project. Physically, he's that Dwayne Bowe/Anquan Boldin type and he's got real nice athleticism. His stock and development was hindered by playing for a spread option rushing attack at Michigan (which also means he should already be a strong run blocker and probably a nice contributor in special teams while he develops).

Don't know much about Long, but I was hoping they'd at least try to sneak a 5-tech into this draft class and they did. Seems like a guy with potential to develop and maybe even push for a roster spot.

Menzie is the perfect depth player in the secondary for the Chiefs with Berry coming back and the addition of McCarthy at S. Menzie should fit in really well with the group they have.

I give the Chiefs an easy A and it might have been the best or at least most effective draft haul for the 2012 Draft.

People talk about the QB, but there was no one in this draft class that they were going to draft. There were two guys I, and I am pretty sure the Chiefs' coaches and front office, liked more than Stanzi and they went #1 & #2. That was like when people were talking about them drafting Bulaga #5.

DoughBoy
04-29-2012, 06:31 PM
Titans Draft-

(1st round) Kendall Wright- I watched 4 tapes on him and his smoothness and explosion is just phenomenal. Can stop on a dime and really dangerous in space. Obviously a very good deep threat and really can just eat a cushion up. My only worry is how he will deal with press coverage... but I think he is so quick off the line that few people are going to be able to stay with him. Our offense will be interesting with him and Kenny on the field together and I think he is just a perfect fit at WR for Jake Locker. Losing out on DeCastro still hurts though.

Grade- B or B+

(2nd round) Zach Brown-He is a linebacker with a very finesse game. not a big hitter and just not to much strength in the way he plays. That is the bad. The good is that he can blitz like no ones business. His speed and quickness translates to the field, he has good technique, he can cover he doesn't play himself out of position, and he does not whiff on very many tackles. I think he has a safety skill set in a linebackers body...which in today's NFL, might be a very good thing. The Titans have the prototype on how you want your 4-3 linebackers to look. It will be interesting to see how new Earth, Wind, and Fire LB core looks with Akeem Ayers, Zach Brown, and Colin McCarthy.

Grade- B

(3rd round) Mike Martin- I think his run stuffing is a little overrated and his pass rushing is vastly underrated. He doesn't move as well latterly as you would like for a run stopping DT. However he can penetrate and smash through a double team like no ones business. He plays very well in tunnel and flashes good instincts. He isn't the greatest in pursuit of a QB but he can take away their pocket. He has the ability to force plays which way he wants them to go. I like the way he can compliment Jurrell Casey and especially Karl Klug.

Grade-B+

(4th Round) Coty Sensabaugh- A player I already new a little bit about before hand. He is similar to Tracy Porter in ways but he is going to need a lot more experience before he reaches that level. A one year starter and a leader with a very sad back story of losing his brother and fighting for a spot on the Clemson roster. Has all the talent and speed (4.37) in the world but is going to have to be developed.

Grade- C+


(5th round)- Taylor Thompson-TE- a 6-6 260 pound freak with 4.58 speed. Converted from DE and will play TE in the NFL. The speed and athleticism is supposed to translate, along with a set of what is said to be good hands. The Titans moved up to get him, but he is going to be super raw coming into camp. Smart, tough and loyal. Mike Munchak quoted saying "he will not fail". Seems to be a very interesting developmental pick.

Grade- C or C+

(6th Round) Markelle Martin- He has a great chance to make the team. A great sound tackler that can deliver a pop and has good instincts against the run. He also has good speed and can close in a hurry. The bad is pretty much everything having to do with coverage. Andrew Luck took him to town with pump fakes, as did pretty much every other QB I saw him play against. Just gets fooled in the passing game way to easily. He does do pretty decent in man when he is shadowing, I just don't trust him at all in deep zone. He will make this team because he is instinctive in the box and has starting potential....he needs some work though. Should at least be a good special teams guy with his tackling and run instincts.

Grade- B

(7th Round) Scott Solomon- The Titans traded next years 6th to get into the 7th to take this guy. I saw the spin move, I saw the dip, I saw the rip, I saw the bull rush. Dude is strong as they come out of college at DE. He is quick and has a great motor... the typical white DE. The knock on him will be speed. He ran a 5.0 at the combine and felt good enough about it that he decided to stand on that number at his pro day. I love his personality and we are very thin at DE. I would expect he has a great chance to make this team.

Grade- B+


I wouldn't be surprised to see all of this class to make the final 53. Kendall, Zach, and Mike are locks. Coty and Taylor only have to beat out 2 **** players. Scott and Markelle are on the team because we are paper thin at DE and Safety. This is a very fast and talented class. Can't wait to see how they turn out.

mightytitan9
04-29-2012, 08:15 PM
we should really do a thread for each team and have outsiders rate your teams draft, because so far a lot of people are overly optimistic.

It's funny, 4 days if someone had made a mock with some of the players a team took a fan would go crazy, but now since its reality it's all of a sudden their homeboy.

robert pancake gallery
04-29-2012, 08:23 PM
Do I really have to average it out? Does it matter that much? Really? You're that guy?

Simpson's Paradox.

no, it just seems that you were really high on most of the picks for players that will actually make the roster yet gave the team more or less an average rating at the end

and just to be clear, i think any draft grade that you end up giving will be fundamentally stupid because you are grading a draft of players who haven't even seen each other naked in the locker room yet

Caddy
04-29-2012, 08:29 PM
we should really do a thread for each team and have outsiders rate your teams draft, because so far a lot of people are overly optimistic.

It's funny, 4 days if someone had made a mock with some of the players a team took a fan would go crazy, but now since its reality it's all of a sudden their homeboy.

It's the acceptance stage of the post-draft process. Everyone is optimistic about how awesome the additions to their team are!

vidae
04-29-2012, 08:48 PM
It's the acceptance stage of the post-draft process. Everyone is optimistic about how awesome the additions to their team are!

Yeah I think each team has one of those guys every year. I'm pretty happy with six of our eight picks and I'm indifferent on the other two.

The last two years there were some picks I hated and still hate but there have been the prospects I made a snap judgment on and came around.

twiz
04-29-2012, 09:59 PM
no, it just seems that you were really high on most of the picks for players that will actually make the roster yet gave the team more or less an average rating at the end

and just to be clear, i think any draft grade that you end up giving will be fundamentally stupid because you are grading a draft of players who haven't even seen each other naked in the locker room yet

Then why are you even posting in this thread...

49ersfan_87
04-29-2012, 10:06 PM
we should really do a thread for each team and have outsiders rate your teams draft, because so far a lot of people are overly optimistic.

It's funny, 4 days if someone had made a mock with some of the players a team took a fan would go crazy, but now since its reality it's all of a sudden their homeboy.

I honestly wouldn't mind that, i love reading draft grades for all the various teams. I know there was a poster last year who did team by team draft grades. He stopped after a while i think but they were well-written and unbiased. I think it was MI_Buckeye or something like that. Those were solid posts. I don't know if he posts here anymore.

T-RICH49
04-29-2012, 10:49 PM
like vidae and splat said.I give KC's draft a B.not sexy by any means but we did a solid job building depth through the draft

fenikz
04-29-2012, 11:14 PM
we should really do a thread for each team and have outsiders rate your teams draft, because so far a lot of people are overly optimistic.

It's funny, 4 days if someone had made a mock with some of the players a team took a fan would go crazy, but now since its reality it's all of a sudden their homeboy.

I generally rate the other NFC West team's drafts but the backlash I would get from 9ers and Seahawks fans wouldn't be worth it

mightytitan9
04-29-2012, 11:29 PM
I like the chiefs late round selections on Cyrus Gray and Junior Hemingway

TonyGfortheTD
04-29-2012, 11:34 PM
Dontari Poe A+++++
Hall of Famer 2029 class!

Jeff Allen A+++
Next (insert awesome guard that's not really awesome, just kinda good, but it's a guard so uh w/e name here)

Donald Stephenson A+++
Super Bowl MVP 2014

Devon Wylie AAAAAA
omgwtfbbq Next Wes Welker achievement unlocked!

DeQuan Menzie A++
Next Rodney Harrison

Cyrus Gray A+
What a steal!

Jerome Long A
SLEEPER O WOW

Junior Hemingway O
O Grade because he straight owns!

Seriously, this draft could be really great or a huge flop. I just split the difference and gave it a C. Didn't hit all the needs, no steals outside of possibly Gray in the 6th round. None of the picks were sexy.

superfly69
04-30-2012, 12:31 AM
Dallas Cowboys

Morris Claiborne, CB
Tyrone Crawford, DE
Kyle Wilbur, DE
Matt Johnson, DB
Danny Coale, WR
James Hanna, TE
Caleb McSurley, LB

This draft shows the heavy influence Rob Ryan has on the Cowboys, Claiborne at corner will probably start, then back to back DEs. A good, young defense got younger. ESPN gives them a C-, I give them a B- b/c Claiborne will be an instant impact rookie & raises the grade by a letter. Grade would be higher if they had found a pure center, now they will throw that spot open to 3 converted OGs.

They had solid picks every round. The only "gamble" was Matt Johnson. And he was the 3rd small college safety to be drafted at the bottom of round 4.
I give them a solid B/B+.

Caddy
04-30-2012, 12:46 AM
Yeah I think each team has one of those guys every year. I'm pretty happy with six of our eight picks and I'm indifferent on the other two.

The last two years there were some picks I hated and still hate but there have been the prospects I made a snap judgment on and came around.

I'm the same every year. I think every player we drafted is going to make the team and be awesome. I'm trying to be more realistic though given half the draft picks will probably bust and only a couple will be solid contributors, possibility of being awesome.

bigbuc
04-30-2012, 12:51 AM
From a outsiders view I think Philly had the best draft overall. All the players they got really fit what they want to do as a team. Which in turn will help them become good players in the NFL.

Also the Rams I don't know if I like what they did, but I understand it. They filled out their rostet with nice players while filling big needs on the way. The Michael Brockers pick some don't like, now if youre thinking sacks you will hate him. If you're thinking about a team that was 31st in run D drafting by far the best run defender in the draft then you'll like what they did in round 1.

fenikz
04-30-2012, 01:31 AM
I enjoyed watching Massie pancake Brockers on his LSU tape, so maybe we will get a repeat of that in the NFL

But truthfully I love what the Rams did with their defense, they needed CB and DT badly and addressed both, team is still a long way from contending and could even finish bottom 5 again but then maybe they will actually address QB

RCAChainGang
04-30-2012, 02:48 AM
Not a guru, but a Colts one hasn't been done. I'll give it a crack.

COLTS

1. Andrew Luck QB 6'4" 234 Stanford - A+ The hype has been there and it was the pick that most everyone would have made

34. Coby Fleener TE 6'6" 247 Stanford - A- I like the pick. Having someone who Luck knows and can rely on is important. The chemistry will help between these two.

64. Dwayne Allen TE 6'3" 255 Clemson - C+ I'm warming up to this pick as the Colts with Bruce Arians will be running two TE sets, but I still would have rather seen a CB drafted here. The defense just seemed to be neglected. This is another target for Luck, but I question his ability to block.

92. T.Y. Hilton WR 5'10" 183 Florida International - C+ I would rather have seen a defensive player taken. I understand the thinking here though. This guy can stretch the field if Avery can't stay healthy and he can also be a viable return man.

136. Josh Chapman DT 6'1" 316 Alabama - A I loved this pick. Finally the Colts address the NT position. I was really hoping for Ta'amu, but Chapman will do. I am concerned about his ability to pressure the QB, but as long as he demands double teams then he will serve his purpose.

170. Vick Ballard RB 5'10" 219 Mississippi St. - D+ This pick didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Darren Evans, and Delone Carter are bruising backs and that is exactly what Ballard seems to be. I hope he can contribute, but I was hoping to see a more electric runner picked in this draft.

206. LaVon Brazill WR 5'11" 192 Ohio - C+ I don't know much about this guy. He has speed and has shown statistical development throughout his college career, but I think he has injury concerns. Likely a special teams gunner.

208. Justin Anderson T 6'4" 335 Georgia - B+ I liked that we added to the Oline. I can see this guy being a solid backup by the end of camp. He has good strength and ability, but he lacks balance.

214. Tim Fugger DE 6'3" 248 Vanderbilt - A Loved this pick. Fugger can be a major contributor on special teams and bring competition to our LB core.

253. (MR IRRELEVANT) Chandler Harnish QB 6'2" 219 Northern Illinois C I'm kind of indifferent to this pick. The guy is mobile and seems to be a solid backup for Luck moving forward.

OVERALL: C+ I'm excited to see how Luck utilizes the picks that were dedicated to help him grow, but the defense is definitely lacking. I just can't bear to see our defense be awful for the 8th season in a row. Our offense is formidable though.

Bixby (Thumper)
04-30-2012, 02:51 AM
Eagles: A
-This class is buoyed by Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Vinny Curry and Brandon Boykin, all of whom fill an immediate need.

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Fletcher Cox: Andy Reid mentioned that in calls around the NFL he learned Fletcher Cox likely wouldn't make it past the sixth pick but after some trade ups from other teams he started falling. He's an athletic, penetrator who can beat guards with his quickness and he has good core strength to be a factor in the run game. Jim Washburn loves Fletcher Cox, he said that he took his breath away and that "when God made him, he made him to play in this scheme". Jim Washburn then compared him to Richard Seymour. Grade: A+

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Mychal Kendricks: Short, athletic and blood thirsty linebacker. He's versatile, instinctive and he plays fundamentally sound and aggressive football. He's the Pac-10 defensive player of the year and people rave about the energy and passion he brings to the game. Grade: A

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Vinny Curry: Curry is a perfect fit for the Eagles' wide nine defense, he is very quick off the LOS, he converts speed to power and he's at his best when he can pin his ears back and go. I firmly believe that he'll be an extremely productive player in the scheme the Eagles currently run. Andy Reid said that he had a late first round grade on Vinny Curry. Grade: A

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Nick Foles: The Eagles drafted a developmental QB who is going to have to do battle with Mike Kafka and Trent Edwards. He's not a typical Andy Reid QB and I really do not think that Foles is very good. As a matter of fact Andy Reid said he wanted to draft Russell Wilson in this round but Seattle took him. This is just a case where the Eagles reached because they decided they were going to draft a QB come hell or high water. Grade: F

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Brandon Boykin: Home. Freaking. Run. The Eagles needed an upgrade at nickel corner over Joselio Hanson and they needed someone with the versatility to also play outside because depth got a bit thinner after Asante was traded. Oh and the Eagles desperately needed a kickoff returner as they were 29th in the NFL last year in kick returns and punt returns and they were 18th in average starting field position. Brandon Boykin fills every single one of those needs. Grade: A+

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Dennis Kelly: This is one of Andy's little projects, he said that he, Howie Roseman and Ryan Grigson identified him on tape and really liked him before Grigson left to Indianapolis. He's a big 6'8" and 320 pound tackle with heavy hands, good length, intelligence and durability. Word is that he also has decent feet for a man of his size and that he's a good bender. Andy compared him to Jon Runyan after he was picked. The Eagles need some more offensive line depth and Kelly sounds like a decent swing tackle option who would be best at right tackle. I'd really like to see more though but my initial impression of him gets this pick a.. Grade: C

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Marvin McNutt: The Eagles needed a receiver, last year the depth players really struggled when Jeremy Maclin and DeSean Jackson went down with injuries. And in addition to needing a warm body at WR after Jackson, Maclin and Avant they needed them to be big. Riley Cooper sucks, he's a big receiver who isn't a reliable target, plays 5'10" and doesn't high point the ball. The Eagles may have solved these problems by selecting a sliding Marvin McNutt, he's a big (6'2"), polished receiver with good hands and routes and he can really go and get the ball with his 37" vertical jump. I can say with a fair amount of confidence that McNutt was the best receiver on the board at this point. Grade: A

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Brandon Washington: I really, really liked this pick. When I watched Miami in 2010 Washington flashed as a guard. He was energetic and athletic. He could get into space and pull well for a big man. He was finishing blocks. He was creating movement. He looked like a guard that could've been drafted much, much earlier but he struggled at LT this past season and slipped. Andy has already said he is moving B-Wash to guard. He gets to compete with Julian Vandervelde and Steve Vallos for a back up guard spot so you can clearly see he's needed. Grade: B

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Bryce Brown: Took a chance on talent, not expecting much. Grade: D

stl9erfan
04-30-2012, 03:02 AM
Also the Rams I don't know if I like what they did, but I understand it. They filled out their rostet with nice players while filling big needs on the way. The Michael Brockers pick some don't like, now if youre thinking sacks you will hate him. If you're thinking about a team that was 31st in run D drafting by far the best run defender in the draft then you'll like what they did in round 1.

As a 49ers fan, I hated what the Rams did... by which I mean I think they did a really good job. I was a fan of almost every pick they made in the first two days, and they had a lot of them (only one I didn't like was Pead-- to me, there were better RBs available at the time). And when you look at overall draft strategy, I think they knocked it out of the park. Turning the second pick of the draft into 3 firsts and 3 seconds? For a rebuilding team, that's brilliant. And as bigbuc stated, Brockers fills a huge need for them. The Rams have had some issues with drafting DTs in the past, but I think they finally got their man, and he's going to make guys like Laurinitis and Long that much better. And if Jenkins and Johnson keep their heads screwed on straight, adding them to Finnegan is going to make for one heck of a secondary. They've still got work to do-- I'm not a believer in their OL or much of their offensive skill position talent, but they got a LOT better this weekend and set themselves up to get a lot better in future years too.

themaninblack
04-30-2012, 03:43 AM
Cincinnati Bengals

1(17)- Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama-- Exactly where I thought we would go with this pick and I really like it. If not for his possession ticket he would've likely gone higher. Fills a need and he comes into a great situation where he can learn from some quality vets. A

1(27) Kevin Zeitler OG, Wisconsin-- Not the name most were probably expecting to hear as the G we were to draft this year but I really like the pick. Beast in the run game who also never gave up a sack at Wisc. Reminds me of Andrew Whitworth in some ways. Will likely start right away and form a powerful duo on the right side along with Andre Smith. Fills the biggest need we had going into the draft IMO. A

2(53) Devon Still DT, Penn State-- An impressive big bodied DT with really good athleticism to help shore up our interior DL. I think we simply went BPA here as DT wassn't one of the most pressing of needs going into the draft with Peko, Geno, and Sims on the roster already. Likely my favorite pick of the draft as far as value is concerned and I think he's in a great situation to both get some experience and continue to develop in an already great DT rotation. We might've gotten the 2nd best DT in this draft at 53. A+

3(83) Mohamed Sanu WR, Rutgers-- Another great value here who also fills a need with the departure of Jerome Simpson. I think his versatility and blocking ability are second to none as far as WRs go in this class and I am very stoked about his future alongside Mr. AJ Green. I don't think the comparisons to TJ Houshmanzadeh are unwarranted. A

3(93) Brandon Thompson DT, Clemson-- Once again I think we went BPA here with this pick. Incredibly strong DT with the athleticism to make plays in the backfield and one hell of a value IMO. Mayock had him going in the 2nd round and after watching his film I can see why. Instead of going DeCastro we basically got him and Zeitler to move back a few spots. We just pulled a Pats move on the Pats. B+

4(116) Orson Charles TE, Georgia-- Huge fan of his as I got to see a ton of this guy at UGA. Incredible physical skills and he runs great routes. Will need to continue to bulk up and improve his blocking technique to where he can become better at 'latching on' to opponents. His DUI doesn't really bother me very much as I think he's a high character kid who made a mistake. A-

5(156) Shaun Prater CB, Iowa-- It's gonna be tough for this kid to make the team but from what I've seen he should be a standout on special teams. Good pick who will make the competition at CB during training camp even more heated. B

5(166) Marvin Jones WR, CAL-- Could prove to be a steal of a pick here in the 5th. Suffered a bit this year due to terrible QB but the kid has some skills and some good athletic ability. B+

5(167) George Iloka S, Boise State-- Another big bodied safety that Zim seems to covet. I don't really see where he fits on this team but he does have some potential and was definitely worth a shot at this point. C+

6(191) Dan Herron RB, Ohio State-- Solid late round pick who could push for the last RB spot with Cedric Peerman while also being somewhat of an insurance policy if BScott struggles this year. Will have to prove special teams value to make the roster for sure. C

Overall I'd give this draft an A as of now. We didn't reach for anyone and got a ton of value with our picks especially in the middle rounds while also filling a bunch of needs that I personally felt needed to be filled. I'm pretty glad we didn't overdraft a RB or a WR as well. We'll see in a few years but I think this could be the draft that gets us over the hump and makes us a contender year in and year out.

holt_bruce81
04-30-2012, 04:21 AM
St. Louis Rams

1st round (14th overall) Michael Brockers; Defensive Tackle, LSU
- When the season ended the Rams were sitting there with the 2nd overall selection in the draft and most people were projecting either USC Offensive Tackle Matt Kalil or Oklahoma State Wide Receiver Justin Blackmon. After a phenomenal performance/interview process at the NFL Combine just about every team was drooling over the potential of Heisman winner Robert Griffin lll and the Rams did an absolute fantastic job trading down to the 6th overall selection and getting future picks that'll surely help this franchise. So on draft day we were pretty much guaranteed one of the "elite 6" in this draft. But when Richardson and Blackmon went off the board before the Rams could pick, instead of selecting LSU Defensive Back Morris Claiborne the Rams traded back once again, this time all the way down to the 14th selection. There they selected Morris Claiborne's teammate, LSU Defensive Tackle Michael Brockers. It was a position of major need, I think our starting Nose Tackle before the draft would of been Gary Gibson, sooo yeah. Brockers can come in and help the run defense which ranked 28th last year immediately,and hopefully with good coaching he can develop into a decent pass rusher. I've heard two comparisons when talking about Brockers, I've heard Richard Seymour and I've heard Marcus Stroud, I would be ecstatic if he turns into either one. I do know this though, With The selection of Brockers and the Free Agent signing of Kendall Langford, the Rams have one of the best young Defensive Lines in the NFL. However, the Rams failed to get a blue chip prospect, and the Rans don't have a lot of those kinda guys on this team. Claiborne, Kalil, Blackmon are blue chip guys. Brockers has the potential to be and maybe if he went back to school and played his Junior year he would of been a blue chip guy coming into the 2013 draft, but he isn't there yet.
GRADE: B

2nd Round (33rd overall) Brian Quick; Wide Receiver, Appalachian State
- I actually really like this selection. Quick is a legit number one kind of receiver, has ALL the tools to be. Every season we beg for the Rams to get some Receivers for Bradford, remember last year? Sims-Walker, Greg Salas? Austin Pettis? When those guys joined the Rams I don't think any of us expected them to develop into #2 or #1 type Wideouts. It wasn't a sexy name like Randle or Hill but thinking about it, I'm glad they didn't go with Hill, that dude is so raw right now and he has problems catching the football. We dealt with that enough last year. The thing that scares me though is the level of competition he played while in college, some comparisons I've heard have been Terrell Owens, Brandon Marshall but I've also heard he could be the next Ramses Barden.
GRADE: B+

2nd Round (39th overall) Janoris Jenkins; Cornerback, North Alabama
- I didn't like this selection, I loved this selection. I can't remember the last time the Rams took a chance on a player of this caliber, Is Jenkins a boom or bust player? absolutely, but talent-wise? he's a top 15 prospect in this draft and if he can get his head on straight, he makes our secondary pretty exciting with Him, Fletch on the outside and most likely Finnegan covering the slot receiver. I've heard Jenkins has the best man to man cover skills of anyone in this draft and yes, that does include Morris Claiborne. I absolutely loved Les Snead's quote at the end of the draft "you can't draft scared"
GRADE: A

2nd Round (50th overall) Isaiah Pead; Running back, Cincinatti
- Wait what? the Rams finally got a decent backup to Steven Jackson? No this must be a dream, right? After what, 3-4 seasons of us hearing about how the Rams needed to get a solid backup to Steven, and every season we have some undrafted free agent who looks like garbage. FINALLY!!!! yes!!! Pead is a low 4.4 guy, deffinetly a homerun threat, something IMO the Rams needed, similiar to Lamichael James in terms of explosiveness, but where I think the two are different is with James I see him as a 10-12 carry running back, he's never going to carry the load for an NFL team, Pead has the potential to be a 18-25 carry back in the NFL.
GRADE: B+

3rd Round (65th overall) Trumaine Johnson; Cornerback, Montana
- Rams really loaded up in the secondary this offseason, Finnegan, Jenkins and now Johnson. I know one thing, all three guys can HIT. Johnson like Jenkins ha ssome off the field issues, but talent wise? he's a 2nd round grade by most draft sites. It still isn't really clear how the Rams are going to use him corner or Safety, Fisher says Corner, but I think when it's all said and done he'll find himself in that safet role. Heck, I've even heard the Rams are going to be running a lot of 4-2-5 looks which makes a lot of sense. The Rams have a lot of hyprid CB/S type players (Fletcher, Murphy, Johnson) Guys who can make plays in the run game.
GRADE: A

4th Round (96th overall) Chris Givens; Wide Receiver, Wake Forest
- As Mike Mayock said when the pick was made "I'm telling you Charles, this draft for the Rams, TON of talent. Boom or bust for some of these guys, but a TON of talent" Givens is projected as a slot receiver with some off the field issues like the previous selections, although I don't think his issues are as troubling. Givens is a high 4.3 - low 4.4 guy with nice athletic ability, he's a better slot receiver then both Amendola and Salas. If I had to project our starting wideouts right now I think we'll see Steve Smith and Brian Quick on the outside, with Givens in the slot. I know that's a lot to ask of your rookies but they clearly are more talented then the other Receivers at that spot. And if I had to predict a preaseason cut surprise, it would be Danny Amendola. I think both Givens and Salas are better then Amendola in the slot.
GRADE: B+

5th Round (150th overall) Rokevious Watkins; Offensive Guard, South Carolina
- Mammoth of a man, 6'4 338 pounds, Watkins with development can be a servicable starter. He's a good run blocker who's prtty quick for his size, his pass blocking however does need a ton of work. I really like this selection, I was tired of seeing Jacob Bell play the season at 280-290 pounds and just get man-handled by Defensive Tackles. Finally we could potentially get some push up front in the run game, color me excited.
GRADE: B

6th Round (171st overall) Greg Zuerlein; Kicker, Missouri Western
- There are a couple reasons I love this selection. one is, the dude has a rocket launcher for a leg. 9/9 from 50+ yards, something like 95 kicking% a long of 58 yards and that was outside, not in a dome. And this allows us to save some money by releasing Josh Brown. Josh was a decent kicker for the Rams but no where near as good as to what we were paying him, I think he was going to make somewhere around 3.5 million this upcoming season. And lets face it, he did struggle last year.
GRADE: A

7th Round (209th overall) Aaron Brown; Linebacker, Hawaii
- A two year starter for the Hwaii Warriors, a forner Rugby player so you know he isn't afraid of contact. Might never develop into a starting outside linebacker but could be a cor especial teams player. Could play a similiar role on this team as Chris Chamberlain did in years past, and who knows maybe with a few seasons and some coaching he could develop into a starter like Chris did.
GRADE: B-

7th Round (252nd overall) Daryl Richardson; Runningback, Abeline Christian
- I don't really know much about Richardson, from what I hear he's a homerun threat that some had graded as a 5th round prospect. He'll probably fight with Chase Reynolds to be the teams 3rd runningback, but when it's all said and done I done see either making the Final 53. I think when preseason is over and all the cuts come out, that's when the Rams find their 3rd back. But it's the last pick of the draft and if you think the kid has some potential then I don't see why not. Easier then trying to sign him as an undrafted free agent.
GRADE: C+

onejayhawk
04-30-2012, 06:10 AM
Round 1, pick 11: Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis (A)

Poeis reputed to have been their #1 NT before the Combine. Scott had him as his #1 DT for a while. Seriously, this is very solid pick. That being said, it appears Kuechly was their guy.

Round 2, pick 44: Jeff Allen - OG - Illinois (B+)

OL was thin and banged up last year. Improving it was an off season priority. Allen is a natural in pass blocking, so he looks like a LG. Lilja was much better at RG than LG, and he's 30, so that makes sense.

Round 3, pick 74: Donald Stephenson - OT - Oklahoma (B+)

In the theme of the last post, more work on the OL. DS has 1st round tools, but is very raw. Winston has a 4 year contract, but after 2012 and maybe 2013, he will face some competition. For that matter, DS may push Albert to RT.

Round 4, pick 107: Devon Wylie - WR - Fresno State (A)

The Chiefs draft middle rounds for roles or total value. Wylie is a role guy. Breaston is one sort of slot receiver, and Wylie is another. He plays a lot from day one, and may catch 100 passes some year.

Round 5, pick 146: DeQuan Menzie - S - Alabama (B-)

I am persuaded to like this pick a little better now than at first. I still think its a reach. Menzie is an undersized safety, who played CB in college. He si a prototypical Chiefs player: focused, dedicated, overachiever. He will be a great ST hammer, and may have been drafted as a ST first player. Another case of drafting roles.

Round 6, pick 182: Cyrus Gray - RB - Texas A&M (B)

I am not a big fan. For a RB that is built like a truck, he does not play like one. Still, he has virtues, and his price is very sheap. He will have to learn pass blocking if he is going to get any PT.

Round 7, pick 218: Jerome Long - DT - SDSU (D)

I will not fail a 7th round pick. I just hope the Chiefs know something everyone else does not. This guy makes Gabe Miller look publicized.

Round 7, pick 238: Junior Hemingway - WR - Michigan (B)

Now we are talking. This is what I want from a 7th round pick. Good body, but a tad short for TE. Played in Michigan's funky offense. He looks like a good WR5/ST gunner/H-back in training. Good dice roll.

The Chiefs had few holes, and they addressed the big one at #11. Poe could be a combination of a lot of good players, but really he is unique--a NT who can both penetrate and anchor. His technique isnt yet, but he will make a difference by year end. The rest of the draft addressed depth issues at OL, WR, DB and especially ST. Other than Poe, there likely will not be any immediate starters, but down the road, we could have several.

For a grade, this draft is solid, but lacks last year's brilliance. B+.

J

nepg
04-30-2012, 07:45 AM
I don't think Kuechly was ever the Chiefs' guy. He wasn't a very good fit for them and wouldn't have brought much to the table outside of making DJ somewhat expendable when he asks for a massive contract.

jrdrylie
04-30-2012, 08:05 AM
Chiago Bears

1. Shea McClellin- D. Yes, we needed a defensive end. But was this the right guy? He is a much better fit in a 3-4 defense. He is well undersized. And there were much better players on the board. If they wanted to go defensive end, Chandler Jones, and Whitney Mercilus would have been better picks. I would have gone Decastro (although he doesn't fit the mold Mike Tice usually likes). If Shea can add 10-15 pounds and keep his athleticism, this pick may work out.

2. Alshon Jeffery- C+. A lot of Bears fans like this pick. Me, not so much. Jeffery was one of my least favorite prospects. He has a tendency to gain weight, he isn't all that explosive, and there was one play in particular I hated. He ran a come back route. Rather than come towards the ball, he sat there and waited for it, allowing the corner to pick it off. I just don't like the way he plays. Plus, we traded up for him.

3. Brandon Hardin- B. I'll admit, I don't know much about him because he didn't play last year. But he seems to have good athleticism and can cover. Hopefully he'll take over for Major Wright. If he can stay off IR, he should be a solid player.

4. Evan Rodriguez- B-. We needed a tight end. Rodriguez could fill the void, although he projects as more of an H-Back. I would have been happier with a larger guy to fill the role of Tight End, but not a bad pick.

5. Isiah Frey- C. We needed a corner, but was he the best one available? I also wish we would have drafted this spot earlier (Josh Robinson 2nd round possibly).

6. Greg McCoy- C. Another corner? Yeah, we need help there. But we also need depth at linebacker, offensive line, and defensive line. It's the 7th round, so I won't hit them too hard on it.

Overall Grade: C

jth1331
04-30-2012, 09:22 AM
ITT: A homer fest
Everybody throwing out A's and B's for their teams drafts

mdmgrand
04-30-2012, 10:06 AM
Cleveland Browns

Round 1, Pick 3:
Trent Richardson, RB A-
- This is the guy that I wanted all along. I am a little upset about losing three draft choices just to move up one spot, as they could have been used in different trade opportunities later on, but still the Browns drafted an elite player on offense. Richardson can become a back similar to Jamal Lewis (early Ravens form).

Round 1, Pick 22:
Brandon Weeden, QB C
- While I do believe Weeden is a good player, I just don't believe in the value of drafting him this high, mainly due to his age. His advanced age buys him absolutely no time in the eyes of the fans, and I'm assuming the Front Office. He must be thrown in right away, and I believe if he does not show enough after his first two years, the Browns must give up on him already. I do credit the Front Office if they truly believe this will work out as a win now move. Surely we can all agree that Weeden's arm opens up the offense, and will probably make Little and Massaquoi look much better.

Round 2, Pick 37:
Mitchell Schwartz, OT B
- Schwartz is the type of player who can come in and start at RT. Early on in the draft process, I had a few mocks that put Schwartz on the Browns in the 3rd and 4th. I can't argue with professionals if they believe a solid RT is worth taking top of the second round. He has loads of experience and solid all around ability.

Round 3, Pick 87:
John Hughes, DT C-
- I am happy that the Browns traded down 20 spots while picking up an extra fourth. That alone gave this grade a C-, Hughes doesn't really do much to change it. He is a big guy, and his play dramatically increased during his senior year. One thing to keep in mind, his teammate, Derek Wolfe, went high in the second round after being projected as a mid round pick.

Round 4, Pick 100:
Travis Benjamin, WR B
- Benjamin provides exactly what the Browns core has been lacking, speed. Benjamin has dynamic speed, and dynamic run after the catch ability. He has added value as a return man as well.

Round 4, Pick 120:
James-Michael Johnson, LB A
- I believe Johnson will get a lot of playing time early on as a rookie. The Browns needed a thick backer with solid athleticism. Johnson will help the porous run defense up front.

Round 5, Pick 160:
Ryan Miller, OG/OT C+
- The more I read up on Miller, the more I like the pick. He has experience at both tackle and guard, and that is what he will be doing for the Browns. He's huge at 6-7, 320, and is pretty athletic. His stock has been all over the place, from the second round to undrafted. As a depth guy with experience and a known nasty streak, he is a perfect fifth round pick.

Round 6, Pick 204:
Emmanuel Acho, OLB C+
- I see this as decent value in the sixth round. When watching highlights, I just don't see a guy who will be a starter in this league. For depth and special teams, I like the pick.

Round 6, Pick 205:
Billy Winn, DT A
- This to me was the best pick the Browns made during the whole draft, value wise. Winn has the ability to play, and play as a rookie in the rotation. I fully expect him to beat out Hughes for a spot in the rotation. His stock was all over the place as well, but he is an absolute steal in the sixth round.

Round 7, Pick 245:
Trevin Wade, CB B-
- Wade does not have great speed, but he does have quality change of direction ability. If he sticks, he could develop into a spot starter in nickel formations.

Round 7, Pick 247:
Brad Smelley, H-Back C
- He is a great H-Back prospect, and will probably make the team, but I do not believe he overtakes Marecic as the lead blocker, or cracks into the top two TE spots. I still could see one or two goal line touchdown catches for him, and that would be great for a seventh round pick.

OVERALL: B-
- The Browns needed help to both run the ball, and stop the run. Regardless of what people say, those two aspects are still extremely important. Just look at the win/loss records of the teams who can't. Rushing the ball and stopping the run control the clock, which is very important in this NFL where teams like to score quickly.

killxswitch
04-30-2012, 10:37 AM
Indianapolis Colts
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1:1 - Andrew Luck - QB - Standford
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Need: We just cut a HOF QB.
Value: Best QB prospect in years.
Grade: A+
I Would've Picked: n/a
Analysis: Great pick, 2011 was awful but it will probably have been worth it.
*****

2:2 - Coby Fleener - TE - Stanford
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Need: We have one TE and he only blocks.
Value: This is about where he was expected to go.
Grade: B-
I Would've Picked: LB Courtney Upshaw or OG Cordy Glenn
Analysis: I am not a fan of just copying the Patriots and I don't think Fleener is that special. I don't see him being a top 5 TE in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong. I think we should've gone defense with this pick, or Rueben Randle, or traded back if possible.
*****

3:1 - Dwayne Allen - TE - Clemson
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Need: We just drafted a pass-catching TE and this guy is slow.
Value: About where he was expected to go.
Grade: B-
I Would've Picked: CB Josh Robinson
Analysis: I don't know if this was the plan all along or if it became the plan when the draft fell the way it did. It seems pretty intentional which to me doesn't say BPA. I would've definitely gone defense here. This TE class is pretty weak and we could've gotten a better athlete in Taylor Thompson or Egnew later in the draft. Hopefully he is not a typical Clemson prospect. If everything goes right our offense could be very difficult to defend.
*****

3:29 - T.Y. Hilton - WR - Florida Int'l
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Need: We just took 2 pass-catching TEs and might already have WR1, 2, and 3 on the roster, so I'd say it's low.
Value: I'm not convinced we needed to trade up or that he was worth giving up a pick next year for. Kickoffs are going away so returners aren't that valuable anymore.
Grade: C-
I Would've Picked: NT Alameda Ta'amu or OT Bobby Massie
Analysis: He seems like a Desean Jackson type of player. I am trying to be positive but I wonder how we are going to play defense and ever get the ball back for Luck and all these weapons.
*****

5:1 - Josh Chapman - NT - Alabama
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Need: We have two backup/rotational types on the roster but no starter.
Value: IMO, Chapman is a late 2nd/early 3rd round value so getting him in the 5th is excellent.
Grade: A+
I Would've Picked: n/a
Analysis: I expect Chapman to be our starter at NT. Maybe not this year as he recovers from ACL surgery. But at least starting in 2013, maybe midway through this season. This is my 2nd favorite pick after Luck. Love his toughness, attitude, and understanding of the NT position.
*****

5:35 - Vick Ballard - RB - Mississippi St.
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Need: We already have 3 RBs, two that are very similar to Ballard. Another offensive pick?
Value: This late value isn't a big issue.
Grade: C-
I Would've Picked: S Markelle Martin, OG Brandon Washington, WR Tommy Streeter
Analysis: He seems awfully similar to Delone Carter and Darren Evans. There were better players on the board that we need more than another RB.
*****

6:36 - LaVon Brazill - WR - Ohio
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Need: OMG more offense, really?
Value: A comp. 6th selection can't really be bad value
Grade: F
I Would've Picked: CB Alfonzo Dennard, DE Cam Johnson, LB Audie Cole, SS Antonio Allen
Analysis: I know nothing about this guy but we already took a QB, 2 TEs, a RB and now a 2nd WR? When a 2nd round CB talent was still on the board? Come on. Wasted pick.
*****

7th Round Picks:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533441.jpg Justin Anderson - OT - Georgia
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2534433.jpg Tim Fugger - DE - Vanderbuilt - A+ for looking like the villian in a Karate Kid movie.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2532856.jpg Chandler Harnish - QB - N. Illinois

OVERALL GRADE: B-

Luck and Chapman were slam dunk picks. The TEs seem luxurious for a team trying to transition to a 3-4 but they may become the engine that drives our offense. There was a lot of talent still available when they were picked so they will really need to produce to be worth it. 1 WR would've been fine but 2 was irresponsible, especially with the defensive talent still available. Same for the RB, needless. I didn't grade the 7th rounders because I don't expect much from any of them.

jCut
04-30-2012, 10:42 AM
I will give Denver a C. They got an interior pass-rusher in Wolfe, which was their number 1 need. Other than that, nothing exciting and I wonder what could have been if they hadn't drafted for need.

vidae
04-30-2012, 10:55 AM
ITT: A homer fest
Everybody throwing out A's and B's for their teams drafts

No one fails the draft after two days.

kBuc5
04-30-2012, 02:59 PM
Tampa Bay gets an A
Dominick and Schiano really worked the board the first two days. Started out with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th and ended up with two 1st's, 2nd, 5th, 6th and two 7th's.
We got the best rated safety, OLB (4-3) and 2nd rated RB in the draft. All were needs and highly regarded. Last day was a little less flashy but we got more physical on D with Goode and Tandy and an interesting scat back in Smith.

onejayhawk
04-30-2012, 04:08 PM
No one fails the draft after two days.

No one ever comes out with less talent than they started the draft with.

J

I_C_DeadPeople
04-30-2012, 04:11 PM
It's hard to not give them an A+.

And for all, this is the Bengals 3rd straight solid draft so the changes they have made can no longer be considered luck or coincidence pertaining to the draft.

Now the coaches have to get these young guys winning playoff games.

onejayhawk
04-30-2012, 04:49 PM
And for all, this is the Bengals 3rd straight solid draft so the changes they have made can no longer be considered luck or coincidence pertaining to the draft.

Now the coaches have to get these young guys winning playoff games.

The problem is that the Bengals draft of 2010 is not looking as good now.

1.21 TE Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
2.22 DL Carlos Dunlap Florida
3.20 WR Jordan Shipley Texas
3.32 DB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest
4.22 DL Geno Atkins Georgia
4.33 LB Roddrick Muckelroy Texas
5.21 OL Otis Hudson Eastern Illinois
6.22 WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas
7.21 OG Reggie Stephens Iowa State

Geno Atkins has been a find, but who else on this list has exceeded expectations? How many could you trade for the same pick?

J

A Perfect Score
04-30-2012, 04:56 PM
The problem is that the Bengals draft of 2010 is not looking as good now.

1.21 TE Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
2.22 DL Carlos Dunlap Florida
3.20 WR Jordan Shipley Texas
3.32 DB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest
4.22 DL Geno Atkins Georgia
4.33 LB Roddrick Muckelroy Texas
5.21 OL Otis Hudson Eastern Illinois
6.22 WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas
7.21 OG Reggie Stephens Iowa State

Geno Atkins has been a find, but who else on this list has exceeded expectations? How many could you trade for the same pick?

J

Uhhh Gresham is a vertical weapon, Dunlap has beasted the past 2 seasons and Atkins is a stud along the defensive line. That's a great draft class.

Brodeur
04-30-2012, 04:59 PM
Lions

1-23 Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa....A

We desperately needed to get younger on the line in some way, with Backus at 35 and on his last couple of useful years, and got the second best tackle in the draft. Fits the team as the successor to Backus in a year or two, and in the mean time, can play RT or RG this season. Just a very good pick overall.

2-54 Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma........B-

Eh, WR wasn't really a need considering the Lions already have Calvin/Burleson/Titus, as well as our two useful tight ends (Pettigrew and Scheffler). If Broyles can fully recover form his ACL injury in time for the season, he could be pretty damn useful in the slot this season. Could be a nice value pick at the end of the day.

3-85 Dwight Bentley, S, Louisana-Lafayette.......B+

Finally addressed our massive need for DBs with Bentley, and was rated highly on several boards. Solid value and need pick, and should play right away.

4-125 Ronnell Lewis, DE/OLB, Oklahoma.......B+

Loved this pick, simply because it fit a need with depth at DE or SLB, and he gives us an extra pass rusher. If he can stay healthy, which is a big if, he will be a huge asset for the future.

5-138 Tahir Whitehead, LB, Temple........D

I don't really know what to expect here nor do I know much about him. Probably a camp body in the end with a potential to stick as a weakside backup or a special teams guy, but doesn't do much for me.

5-148 Chris Greenwood, CB, Albion.......B-

Don't know much about him again, but he is a pretty big corner with insane athletic ability, so worth a flier at this point. Could contribute as a last ditch DB on the team.

6-196 Jonte Green, DB, New Mexico State....D

Another random ass DB that I basically know nothing about, but I suppose he could be camp fodder again and make the practice squad. Don't see him contributing to this team really.

7-223 Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma..........A-

Another Oklahoma player, but pretty damn good value here. He's a perfectly solid backup inside linebacker and he'll be more useful than Bobby Carpenter was for us the last year and a half.

Grade: B- to B

Depending on where it's at. It was a decent draft which addressed needs, but outside of Reiff, I don't know anyone who will make a huge splash this season.

Bobo
04-30-2012, 05:24 PM
1st off, I envy the Eagles draft so much :mad:

2nd, beware, incoming wall of text...

1. Kendall Wright - B
If WR was a position of need (imo of course), I'd give this an easy A. The only catch for me is will we get full potential and much added production out of our loaded roster of receivers (and I'm counting our 3 TE's in here too). We will need to sling the ball like we had Warren Moon still on the team. It's exciting to think about being a top passing team in the league, but how well will we transition to that and how well will our QB's fit in that role?

As far as Wright himself, he is electric like they say. Michael Irvin talked about his stride length helping him a lot. He loved him, so did Mayock. After watching him and reading up, so do I. He does bring an extra dimension to the offense. The ability to separate is huge. Supposedly drops very few passes. Not tall, but has a great vertical and can go up and snatch the ball. I hope we see lots of 3 wide sets which puts defenses in difficult positions 1 on 1, and possibly open up running lanes for CJ.

2. Zach Brown - B-
Mychael Kendricks vs Zach Brown. Both players visited the Titans. If Kendricks lasts 6 more picks, do the Titans take him over Brown? I think so. Brown just didn't look as good to me, but I see the need here.

He plays up to his timed speed, but his change of direction and lateral agility don't quite match, although they are not bad (McRath comes to mind). Seems to give up too much cushion in zone coverage or just doesn't have a great feel for it. The "allergic to contact" thing is overblown imo (like with Ayers last year), although like most athletic guys he will try to make the blocker miss which can sometimes set up the ball carrier with an easy cut away from him. Shows good blitzing ability, also played with his hand down some. Hopefully Gray will use this ability at some point (they did say they will free up Ayers more this year to pass rush...fingers crossed). Not the best break down, wrap up tackler and doesn't seem to take the best angles (instincts?).

His Sr. Stats of 105 tackles, 13.5 TFL, 5.5 sacks, 4 PBU, and 3 INT's shows his versatility. I get the feeling that overall he is not top notch at anything (except speed), but has no glaring deficiencies. Can add more versatility to Gray's D, but may have a specific role planned for now from Gray's comments.

3. Mike Martin - A
Need meet for sure. I underrated this guy by others ratings and wanting a DT sooner until I watched him more a 2nd time and read some more. To me, he is a very good mix of NT and 1 gap or 3 technique guy. He can hold up against doubles and even break them. He can penetrate with good quickness and shows some lateral agility. 1 on 1 he can ragdoll o-lineman (wrestling probably playing a huge role here). Size is an issue but really doesn't really concern me too much. He will get leverage advantage. He's going to fight every play and be a constant PITA like KVB. No matter how they line him up (he even did some DE), I think he will play his role very well.

4. Coty Sensabaugh - C
Didn't find much film, so this is hard to give much of an opinion on. Physically, he seems solid. Decent size and very good measurables. Obviously fits a need. They say he can play inside or out. Had 13 PBU this year, but not many INT's over his career. Many places had him ranked late round. Very interested to see him in preseason.

5. Taylor Thompson - D+
1st off I don't like giving up a pick to reach for this guy. We've had some late round gems, so you really have to think before possibly throwing those picks away. 2nd, they say he'll start out at TE but could play DE if needed. Well I like that possible versatility (reminds me of a TE the Bears took a few years ago that I liked who was from Michigan State I think), but he hasn't played TE since HS.

The defensive tape I saw was ok. He is a long strider, not quick twitch, not good change of direction. I can see how he may actually fit better at TE. He's been compared to the Patriots Gronkowski, and physically they are very similar...but Gronkowski had a good college career at TE. Taylor should have the tools to be able to block. He reportedly lost 20 lb's to train as a TE. He may bulk back up a bit. I definitely wanted a 3rd TE who was a solid mix of blocking and receiving, and this guy looks to have the tools...but plenty of guys look to have the tools, but can't actually produce on the field...and we've drafted our fair share of those types before.

6. Markelle Martin - B+
I'm guessing the knee did set him back a few rounds. Physically, he seems to be able to do everything you ask from a modern S. He's not Dallas's Roy Williams in the box, but he does a solid job in the box and doesn't appear to be afraid of contact. Can lay the big hit on a receiver. Very smooth in coverage and fast to the ball. Had the most PBU's of any top S this year. Can be fooled by play action and can be over aggressive leading to open receivers. Should be able to help on ST's right away, and I think he has starter potential in the future.

7. Scott Solomon - B
Had to give up next year's 6th, but probably worth it. Another guy who can be a PITA like Mike Martin, and fits a need. High college production, decent size, high motor. 4.8-5.0 40 sounds bad, but I read he had a 1.62 10 yard. That's very good and much more important to a DE than the 40. Of course that lack of a 2nd gear will hurt him on some occasions. His 3 cone, vertical, bench press, and shuttle tests were all good to very good. He'll use his burst and quickness to get upfield. He has excellent weight room strength like Mike Martin, and it seems to transfer to the field pretty well. He also played some DT.

I'll give the Titans a B-

ATLDirtyBirds
04-30-2012, 06:04 PM
ITT: A homer fest
Everybody throwing out A's and B's for their teams drafts

You'll love this one then.



Round 2: Peter Konz, OG/C Wisconsin

Grade: B+

Notes: Solid pick, can't complain too much with a late first-early 2nd round value late two. There were much better picks to be made, but provided he stays healthy (a major if) he should be a staple on the line for the next 8-10 years.

Round 3: Lamar Holmes, OT, Ole Miss

Grade: D-

Notes: Thomas Dimitroff apparently felt as if it was a good idea to draft a body late three. He's big, has long arms, and has some flexibility. Unfortunately, he has limited range in his drop, feet that stop on contact, issues with run blocking, and issues with watching plays pass him by. Most people barely gave him a draftable grade.




Round 5: FB Bradie Ewing

Grade: D-

Notes: Decent fullback who has no change of direction skills and is a mediocre athlete. Considering we are supposed to be moving to a more vertical based offense, already have a great FB on the roster/could have singed a FB in free agency, or picked up a UDFA, we did awful here, considering our other needs.

Round 5: Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy

Grade: B-

Notes: Long arms and a good (albeit inconsistent) first step, but he has lack of flexibility (possibly because he put on too much weight SR. year).




Round 6: Charles Mitchell, S, Mississippi State
Grade: B

Notes: Very impressive against the run, average against the pass with limited play making ability. Should be solid depth/special teams guy.



Round 7: Travian Robertson, DT, South Carolina

Grade: D

Notes: Decent hands and a solid first step + motor. Offers nothing as a pass rusher, ends up on the ground too much as a run defender.


Overall: D/D+

San Diego Chicken
04-30-2012, 06:27 PM
Good draft. A.J. did enough in free agency to fill needs so he could be more flexible with the draftees. A killer safety would have been nice, but the value was way off at the top, and '13 is a much deeper class of safeties. Going forward there is a nice deep pool of young defensive talent in the front seven in both the 3 and 4 man fronts.

Brown Leader
04-30-2012, 06:54 PM
BROWNS

Trent Richardson RB 5'9" 228 Alabama
Brandon Weeden QB 6'4" 221 Oklahoma St.
Mitchell Schwartz T 6'5" 318 California
John Hughes DT 6'2" 309 Cincinnati
Travis Benjamin WR 5'10" 172 Miami
James-Michael Johnson ILB 6'1" 241 Nevada
Ryan Miller G 6'7" 321 Colorado
Emmanuel Acho OLB 6'1" 238 Texas
Billy Winn DT 6'4" 294 Boise St.
Trevin Wade CB 5'10" 192 Arizona
Brad Smelley TE 6'2" 237 Alabama

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1. Jim Brown calls Trent "ordinary", comparing him to Emmitt Smith. It's no secret Brown has never been a huge fan of Smith. When the greatest RBs of all time discussion comes up he bristles at the notion of Smith being at the top. To him, guys like Barry Sanders and Peterson have the greatest skill sets and are unique game changers. In today's pass first, QB driven league, he's making a point that a back like Richardson is not worth the 3rd-4th pick. Definitely get the sense he would have preferred trading up for RG3.

It's a fair point but the Browns needed a starting RB at some point in the draft. I don't like Trent's elusiveness behind the los or ability to make the first man miss , but his burst, open field running, overall speed and pile push are great. Also Minn didn't play us-Tampa was ready to move up for less is we didn't.

2. Of the next QBs after Tannehill, I think Osweiler has much more upside than Weeden. He probably should have been the choice in the 2nd but with it being the 3rd year of this front office they apparently felt the pressure to get an immediate franchise QB rather than go with a guy that needed development. Problem is, it's a huge assumption that his age makes Weeden a plug and play rookie QB. If he doesn't hit the ground running its basically a disaster for this front office.

3. Since senior week I've been saying Schwartz was the best pure RT in the draft. Massie was a late riser but apparently had some flaw that most of us weren't aware of. Schwartz is the starter right now.

4-7. Biggest issue with the rest of the Browns' draft is their stubborn confidence in the current WR corps. When McCoy struggled, they hinted that he wasn't getting much help-now that Weeden's drafted they're saying Colt held this group back. ...yeah. They're essentially standing pat at this position because Travis Benjamin, he of the ugliest combine gauntlet in awhile, is not likely to make an impact this season. Our FO passed Chris Givens for him so I'll be bitterly tracking the Rams rookie this season.

Hughes is a complete unknown and I'm not going to pretend I know anything about him. But, for this FO sake, he better be better than Brandon Thompson and Alameda Ta'Amu, each going to division opponents.

JMJ might start at SLB. Probably fills in while Fujita serves suspension and might compete to stay. Ryan Miller-hit or miss, probably a practice squad guy. Acho backs up all three spots. Winn fills a need for an inside rusher. Wade might stick and Smelly will end up a great value.

And sooo.... Potential franchise QB but he'll be thrown into the fire because of his age without any help at WR. Potential pro bowl caliber RB but he probably gets overused playing behind a rookie QB in a defense heavy division. Picked up a starting RT and maby a starting SLB. Everything hinges on the first round picks, though. At best, Richardson is dominant and Weeden steps in and looks markedly better than Colt. Even so, if the record puts us again in the top 10, I don't think they'll hesitate to draft a QB. Weeden might be an improvement for this year but unless he looks like a future all pro, at his age, they'd be justified taking a high upside potential star QB to groom.

Rosebud
04-30-2012, 07:27 PM
I really like the giants draft if our OL holds up. Baas having an offseason to settle in and being healthy will settle down the interior OL and hopefully someone steps up opposite Diehl.

Pick: David Wilson, RB
Thoughts: Wilson is a very interesting pick for the giants. RB wasn't a huge need as Bradshaw is still a very good runner and the team is very high on Da'Rell Scott. Wilson has obvious issues with his ball security and patience as a runner which pushed him down some peoples boards. Not the giants. Jerry Reese has come out as saying that Wilson was our clear cut #2 RB in this draft and it makes sense why. The giants coaching staff does an excellent job teaching runners how to protect the ball and other subtleties of the professional level. Wilson gives the giants dynamic burst, great balance and toughness and excellent hands to give the giants the pass catching RB they haven't had since Tiki Barber retired. With Bradshaw to carry the load and Da'Rell Scott to be the powerful North/South runner Wilson not just fits what the Giants like in their runners, but is a great compliment to the guys they already have and should get plenty of opportunities to make big plays. Granted if the giants OL is as crappy as it was last season that won't matter.
Summary: Good value and great fit.

Pick: Reuben Randle, WR
Thoughts: I'm going to start off by saying that I did not like Reuben Randle coming into this draft. I think he can be a good starter, but I don't see him being a threat down the field in the NFL and I'd read some things that made me wonder about his mental makeup. That said he impressed our staff and scouts with his ability to read the field and understand the nuances of route running and coverages, which should make him better prepared to digest our passing game quicker and potentially even provide an impact this season if Barden gets hurt again. I'm iffy on it but in the second round I don't mind the risk and the value seems right.
Summary: Good value, good fit, now lets see if he puts it all together.

Pick: Jayron Hosley, CB
Thoughts: Hosley's undersized, but has long arms, great ball skills, and fiestiness. While he's undersized he's not a bad tackler and should fit in very well as the Nickel. With Webster, Amukamara, Thomas and a slew of solid depth guys Hosley will have a lot of competition for time, but I love this kid and think he'll excel, even as a rookie, and let us be creative with TT and play him at Safety as well as corner.
Summary: Love it, wonderful talent at this point in the draft and a good fit as you can never have too many good corners.

Pick: Adrien Robinson, TE
Thoughts: Super raw, super athletic hard worker for Pope to go to work on. No one in the NFL teaches TEs to block as well as Pope does and if Robinson can become a good blocker and comprehend our passing attack he could give us the dynamic weapon we once hoped Beckum would become.
Summary: Nice project at a position we develop well, I think he follows the footsteps of Shockey and Boss and learns to block to go with his athletic ability and ball skills.

Pick: Brandon Mosley, OT/OG
Thoughts: Typical giants late round developmental OL with good athletic ability and size but no technique. Keep stick these raw guys into the pipeline and see what takes shape. At this point in the draft I'm on board.

Pick: Matt McCants, OT
Thoughts: see Mosley, but rawer with better size, length and feet.

Pick: Markus Kuhn, DT
Thoughts: I really hope he makes it, kid's not only german, which makes him automatically awesome, but has good athleticism for his size, 6'4" 299. Only started to football at 15 and is super raw, but if you've got the tools and the work ethic this team can teach DL how to beast.

onejayhawk
04-30-2012, 08:01 PM
Uhhh Gresham is a vertical weapon, Dunlap has beasted the past 2 seasons and Atkins is a stud along the defensive line. That's a great draft class.

Gresham I will give you with the stipulation that he's a 1st round pick, so he's supposed tobe very good. Dunlop had a good rookie season. Shipley has his moments. Its a very solid class, just not one for rave reviews.

That would be this one

1.27 DB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2.10 TE Rob Gronkowski Arizona
2.21 LB Jermaine Cunningham Florida
2.30 LB Brandon Spikes Florida
3.26 WR Taylor Price Ohio
4.15 TE Aaron Hernandez Florida
5.19 P Zoltan Mesko Michigan
6.36 OL Ted Larsen North Carolina State
7.01 OL Thomas Welch Vanderbilt
7.40 DL Brandon Deaderick Alabama
7.41 DL Kade Weston Georgia
7.43 QB Zac Robinson Oklahoma State

Would you rather have Gresham or Hernandez?

Rosebud
04-30-2012, 08:14 PM
The problem is that the Bengals draft of 2010 is not looking as good now.

1.21 TE Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
2.22 DL Carlos Dunlap Florida
3.20 WR Jordan Shipley Texas
3.32 DB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest
4.22 DL Geno Atkins Georgia
4.33 LB Roddrick Muckelroy Texas
5.21 OL Otis Hudson Eastern Illinois
6.22 WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas
7.21 OG Reggie Stephens Iowa State

Geno Atkins has been a find, but who else on this list has exceeded expectations? How many could you trade for the same pick?

J

If you hit on your first 3 picks and get a stuck with a 4th rounder, you had a damn good draft.

They got an explosive TE, a very talented DE, a good complimentary receiver and an absolute monster UT. That's a great draft.

twiz
04-30-2012, 10:10 PM
6:36 - LaVon Brazill - WR - Ohio
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Need: OMG more offense, really?
Value: A comp. 6th selection can't really be bad value
Grade: F
I Would've Picked: CB Alfonzo Dennard, DE Cam Johnson, LB Audie Cole, SS Antonio Allen
Analysis: I know nothing about this guy but we already took a QB, 2 TEs, a RB and now a 2nd WR? When a 2nd round CB talent was still on the board? Come on. Wasted pick.


Not even close. Brazill has better upside than most know. He's willing to go get the ball in any sort of traffic, has good speed, and good hands. Really, the only reason I can think of that he didn't go higher is because of his competition. Well, that and his QB's year in and year out were atrocious. Even with teams stacking the box and the QB in the pistol, no matter who was throwing the ball, they constantly made poor reads, from Boo Jackson to Phil Bates. Brazill was a great pick by the Colts, he'll contribute at least on special teams to start. Watch out for him in the slot, and he'll probably get looks outside the numbers too.

I think you're also underrating Hilton.

themaninblack
05-01-2012, 01:44 AM
The problem is that the Bengals draft of 2010 is not looking as good now.

1.21 TE Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
2.22 DL Carlos Dunlap Florida
3.20 WR Jordan Shipley Texas
3.32 DB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest
4.22 DL Geno Atkins Georgia
4.33 LB Roddrick Muckelroy Texas
5.21 OL Otis Hudson Eastern Illinois
6.22 WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas
7.21 OG Reggie Stephens Iowa State

Geno Atkins has been a find, but who else on this list has exceeded expectations? How many could you trade for the same pick?

J

Gresh has been pretty damn good and I expect a big year from him this year. Dunlap has been one of the better pass rushers in the league when healthy. Brandon Ghee I'll give you he's rarely seen the field but he also missed his first year entirely and he definitely has plenty of upside. Geno is an absolute beast while Muck has been good in the limited PT he's seen due to injury. He'll be a core special teamer and he might even push Luga out of his spot if he continues to blow it. The team is apparently pretty fond of Otis Hudson which is why he's still around and he could compete for a starting job in the future. Briscoe was robbed off our practice squad and has done some good things with the Bucs and Reggie Stephens I have no clue.

All in all I'd say thats a pretty good draft. We've drafted more Pro Bowlers over the past two seasons than anyone else and that includes two from the 2010 draft as well. Gresh has had to learn 3 offenses in three years and he has turned into a hell of a blocker who is also a matchup nightmare for defenses in the passing game. Hasn't quite gotten the numbers we mightve expected thus far but don't let that fool you, he's one of the best young TEs out there and I wasn't even clamoring over that pick in the beginning.

Caddy
05-01-2012, 01:46 AM
I'm a big fan of Dez, so thanks guys! Although he was the only player missing from voluntary mini-camp the other week so I doubt he is in Schiano's good books.

RCAChainGang
05-01-2012, 03:07 AM
Not even close. Brazill has better upside than most know. He's willing to go get the ball in any sort of traffic, has good speed, and good hands. Really, the only reason I can think of that he didn't go higher is because of his competition. Well, that and his QB's year in and year out were atrocious. Even with teams stacking the box and the QB in the pistol, no matter who was throwing the ball, they constantly made poor reads, from Boo Jackson to Phil Bates. Brazill was a great pick by the Pats, he'll contribute at least on special teams to start. Watch out for him in the slot, and he'll probably get looks outside the numbers too.

I think you're also underrating Hilton.

You mean the Colts?

twiz
05-01-2012, 03:58 PM
You mean the Colts?

Yeah my bad, was thinking about Taylor Price at that point.

marshallb
05-02-2012, 09:18 PM
I posted this in the Vikings thread earlier today, my Vikings review:

So, here it is, as I promised earlier on this page, my draft review. It's long (over 2,400 words), but I hope you take the time to read it, or at least skim through it.


1.4) Matt Kalil OT USC, Scott’s ranking: #1 OT, #3 overall – It had to be this pick. The team had put out as many smokescreens as humanly possible leading up to the draft, and it got the Browns to bite and trade up. Spielman was made out to look like a genius after all of his work came to fruition. He was able to move down one spot, which assured he would get his guy no matter who it was, and then got 3 picks which allowed him to move up for Smith and add a 4th and 6th next year. I’m a huge fan of Kalil and had him as my #2 prospect in the draft. I think he can step in day one and play at a high level, and within a couple years he can be an All Pro caliber LT for a long time and can protect the QBs blindside for the next dozen years. I liked him more than Jake Long coming out, but a notch below Joe Thomas, which isn’t a slight in the least.

1.29) Harrison Smith S Notre Dame, Scott’s ranking: #2 S, #41 overall – I’m not as big of a fan of this pick, but I still like it. I liked Smith, but more of in the mid 2nd range than the end of the first, but after adding those picks from the Browns, we could easily afford to give up our 4th in order to move up and assure ourselves of a day one starter at S, of which there were only 2 in this draft. I think Smith will be a solid to above average starter at S for us. He’s not a great athlete, but he’s smart, instinctive, and he takes good angles, which is something that our S have been lacking since the year before Sharper left. I’d have preferred a couple other guys still on the board, but safety was a huge need for us and he can step in and play for us day one and be a huge upgrade over what we had. He also adds some flexibility in that he can play both SS and FS.

3.66) Josh Robinson CB Central Florida, Scott’s ranking: #6 CB, #54 overall – Robinson was a good value in the 3rd and he fills another huge need. Our depth at CB last year was nonexistent after Cook got in legal trouble. Now with Cook back, Winfield healthy – at least for now – and the additions of Bowman and Carr on short term contracts in free agency, along with the addition of Robinson, hopefully we’ve got that fixed. Robinson is a good zone corner, who has the talents to develop into a man corner. He also has great instincts, as evidenced by his 10 INTs and 36 PBU in 3 years in college. Robinson’s not afraid to get involved in run support and make a tackle. He also adds special teams value in that he can return both punts and kicks, and would likely be a good gunner on punts and kicks with his speed. I think he can be a good ST to start while battling Bowman and Carr for the nickel job initially, and should eventually take over for Winfield.

4.118) Jarius Wright WR Arkansas, Scott’s ranking: #18 WR, #123 overall – This is about the range I thought Wright would go, somewhere mid 4th to mid 5th. I’m a big fan of Wright, and think he can be a good slot receiver, but his role with us is a bit questionable with Harvin at his best in the slot. I don’t think Wright is good enough versus the jam, and lacks the size to play on the outside consistently. He does offer good return ability and just an all-around play making ability that we need though. He also adds a playmaker and depth in the slot should Harvin continue to battle migraines and nagging injuries like he has in the past. Wright offers good return abilities as well, although he didn’t do much of returning in college, with Joe Adams handling most of those duties. He was the most productive of a very talented Arkansas WR group his senior season. I think he’ll play a situational role offensively while adding special teams value initially, and can hopefully carve out a bigger role in our offense over time, although I see that as slightly questionable with Harvin playing a similar role, just more effectively.

4.128) Rhett Ellison TE/FB/H-Back USC, Scott’s ranking: #8 TE, #157 overall – At first, this pick really surprised me. I figured that after the signing of Carlson to a big contract that we’d only use a later round pick on a TE, if at all, and then we also signed Jerome Felton this offseason, so I didn’t think we’d take a FB at all. The more I thought about it though, the more the pick grew on me. Neither Rudolph or Carlson offers a whole lot in the blocking game, and with Kleinssaser retiring, we definitely will need someone to take over his blocking role. Another way you could look at it is signing Carlson was to replace Shiancoe and drafting Ellison was to replace Kleinsasser. I hadn’t focused on Ellison much, but from what I know is that he’s a very good blocker, but won’t offer much receiving wise, but the Vikings don’t really need that with Rudolph and Carlson. I would assume Ellison would be used situationally offensively, and play quite a bit on special teams early on, and then develop into the Kleinsasser role as the blocking TE and FB. I still think this was a bit early to address a lesser need and Ellison was projected more of as a 6th rounder, but the value really wasn’t there at MLB or DT, and we would address the WR position again a handful of picks later, without a WR going in between the picks.

4.134) Greg Childs WR Arkansas, Scott’s ranking: #33 WR, #228 overall – I’m a fan of Childs, and really liked this pick. After his sophomore season at Arkansas, it looked like he would be a late first to 2nd round pick with a good junior season, but then he proceeded to have a nasty knee injury, in which he completely tore his patellar tendon, which straightens the knee. It reportedly takes a year and a half to fully recover from this injury, which Childs suffered in October 2010. Childs played his senior season while far from completely healthy and it showed. He showed up to the combine healthy and his pro day even better. At his pro day, he ran a 4.39 40, and had an impressive 40 ˝” vertical, after putting up respectable 4.55 official 40 and a 36 ˝” vertical at the combine. I thought Childs would likely go in the 5th after he showed he was healthy this offseason, so taking him at the end of the 4th was appropriate value. Childs has all the abilities to develop into a very good #2 WR as long as he’s healthy. He’s got very good size at 6’3” 219 is a good route runner, and has the speed to get down the field and can win just about any jump ball with his size, long arms(34 1/8”, which were the 3rd longest of all WR at the combine), and his leaping ability. I would expect Childs to play a limited role his rookie season as he offers little special teams value, isn’t a fit in the slot, and Jenkins, Aromashodu, and once he returns from his suspension, Jerome Simpson ahead of him on the depth chart on the outside at receiver.

5.139) Robert Blanton DB Notre Dame, Scott’s ranking: #24 CB, #176 overall – I knew very little about Blanton before the draft, and didn’t see him as a fifth rounder, but after doing research, I can see why the team selected him here. Blanton played CB in college, but with his speed, or lack thereof (4.70 40 at the combine), he looks more like a S. Blanton’s got good size for either CB or S at 6’1” 208, and has better quickness than long speed, as evidenced by his good 3 cone time (6.71, tied for 5th among DB at the combine) and short shuttle (3.97, tied for 3rd among DB at the combine). It sounds like the Vikings will try Blanton at S first, which sounds like a better fit for him as his poor long speed can be protected better. Blanton’s a good, sure tackler, and looks like he should carry some added special teams value. I would guess Blanton is a reserve S, behind Smith, Sanford, and Raymond. It sounds like Blanton would be a good matchup against the bigger TE that teams are using split out wide, where they’re too big for CB and too quick for LB, as he’s got good press man skills, but lacks the speed to stay with receivers. The upside here is a starting S, but if I had to guess, I would say he doesn’t reach that and ends up as a backup who can play both S and CB and adds some value against teams that flank out a TE.

6.175) Blair Walsh K Georgia, Scott’s ranking: #1 K, not on top 253 – I was definitely surprised we took a kicker after resigning Longwell this offseason. Walsh has a strong leg, and is the best kickoff specialist in this draft class. He struggled mightily with accuracy his senior season, only making 21/35 field goal attempts, but had went 20/22 and 20/23 his sophomore and junior seasons. My guess is that Walsh is the kickoff specialist to begin his career if he makes the team, and then once Longwell is done, he’ll take over as the field goal kicker. Longwell has struggled with kickoffs in the past, and it would be nice to have someone who can rack up touchbacks regularly, but I’m not so sure about us keeping 2 kickers around.

7.210) Audie Cole LB North Carolina State, Scott’s ranking: #13 OLB, #134 overall – I thought Cole was a great value in the 7th as I thought he would go somewhere in the 5th. His fit with us is a bit odd though, as with his lack of athleticism made him a better fit inside in the 3-4 in my opinion, but at that point in the draft fit kind of goes out the window and you try and find someone who can make plays, and there are plenty of people who think he can play both MLB and SLB in the 4-3. He did everything well in college: was a sure tackler, could drop into zone coverage, and could match up in short areas in man coverage, did ok shedding blocks, and showed good range and pursuit in run support. The only thing he lacks is athleticism, and that will limit him in his potential upside. To me, he profiles more of as a 2 down linebacker if he ever makes it as a starter, but he looks like he could be a great backup at both Mike and Sam and could probably even play some Will in a pinch. As a rookie, I would expect him to backup Brinkley in the middle and provide depth, which the team severely lacks at LB. I love the value at this point, but keep in mind that he has limited upside.

7.218) Trevor Guyton DL California, Scott’s ranking: #11 DE, #104 overall – This was another great value pick in the 7th round. Guyton was projected somewhere around the 5th. I saw places that had him as early as a late 3rd rounder to late 5th, so getting him in the 7th was a steal. Guyton, like Cole, also is a bit of a questionable fit, even more so than Cole. Guyton was viewed as most as a 3-4 DE. Again though, he’s just a good football player and adds versatility to our DL where depth was needed, especially at tackle, but also at end. I would expect Guyton to play end in a run stopping role as a rookie, where he’s very stout and anchors well. He offers a good bull rush, but lacks other pass rushing moves, and will never be much of a pass rusher. He also can kick inside to tackle in pass rushing situations. Guyton had a poor combine, running a 5.07 official 40, which probably played a big hand in knocking him down draft boards. He also offers future value with his versatility in that many have been calling for the team to move to the 3-4, and while I don’t like the move, I feel that if Frazier is fired it could be an option, and Guyton would give them another piece to that transition if it were to happen.

Overall: I thought the Vikings had a very good draft. They filled every hole at some point in the draft, and the biggest ones multiple times, without making much for reaches. Every pick was at least appropriate value, with really only Ellison going more than a half round over his projected spot. I would expect Kalil and Smith to start from day one, and the rest of them should see the field at least at some point, with guys like Robinson, Wright, Ellison, and Childs all could see time in a rotation. For the Vikings though, it’s not about the immediate, but about the long term, and that is where this draft lacks a little. Kalil is the only player that I see that could develop into a star in the NFL. However, several other players could be good starters, and a few others should be at least rotational players. Spielman came into the draft with a mess on his hands, and while he didn’t fix it all in one year, there was no way this team was going to be turned around in one offseason, especially one with a lackluster free agency. Spielman did hit on all the needs, though, and was able to do so with good value. Through some slick maneuvering, Spielman was able to acquire enough picks to allow him to fill all the necessary holes, as well as trade for some future picks, adding a 4th and 6th next year. A lot of people were questioning Spielman coming into the draft, but he did a hell of a job with stage one of a long rebuilding process, and hopefully was able to shorten that process.

Grade: B+

SF Dolphin Fan
05-04-2012, 02:10 PM
Miami Dolphins

1. Ryan Tannehill QB
2. Jonathan Martin RT
3. Olivier Vernon DE
3. Michael Egnew TE
4. Lamar Miller RB
5. Josh Kaddu LB
6. BJ Cunningham WR
7. Keeston Randle DT
7. Rishard Matthews WR

I've got to hand it to Miami GM Jeff Ireland. He took a lot of heat this offseason for not signing Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn. But for an organization that is clearly rebuilding neither of those guys made sense - Manning because he has only a few years left and Flynn because he probably isn't a significant upgrade from Matt Moore. Ryan Tannehill was absolutely the right pick for the Dolphins. With a new coaching staff that knows how to develop quarterbacks and no expectations to start right away, Tannehill should be able to hone his skills for 2013. His floor is Tony Romo and his ceiling is Aaron Rogers IMO. Tannehill probably falls somewhere in between those two.

It clearly was a surprise to see Jonathan Martin available at pick 42. He should start immediately at RT and provide an instant upgrade over Marc Columbo, who struggled badly last year. Martin is pretty solid all-around, with long arms, quick feet and the smarts this coaching staff likes. He could quickly emerge as one of the top RT in the league.

Third round pick Olivier Vernon is a boom or bust with the quickness and initial burst to factor in as a pass rusher opposite Cameron Wake. I might have traded up here for Vinny Curry, but it will definitely be interesting to see how Vernon comes along. Fellow third rounder Michael Egnew should quickly emerge as one of the more productive players from this draft. With his size and speed he will give Miami a seam stretcher and red zone threat the team so desperately needs. Opportunities will be there for Egnew as the tight end position is so important in a Joe Philibin offense.

Courtney Upshaw was probaby the biggest steal in the entire draft falling to Baltimore in Round 2. Lamar Miller may have been the next biggest steal and I love that the Dolphins traded up to get him in Round 4. Miller has explosive talent and the ability to score every time he touches the football. Initially he probably factors more in the return game, but the coaching staff will probably find creative ways to get him and Reggie Bush on the field at the same time.

Fifth rounder Josh Kaddu has pass rushing ability and quickness to help out on third downs, but figures more as a core special teams guy. BJ Cunningham (6th round) and Rishard Matthews (7th round) are similar prospects -- good hands, competitive speed, good route runners. One or both could stick as young players will be given chances at a wide open receiver battle in Miami. Keeston Randle, also a 7th rounder, seems destined for the practice squad. He is a two down run stuffer.

Overall, I'd say Miami's draft grade is a B+, but could easily become an A if Tannehill comes close to, or reaches, franchise quarterback status.

bengalbuck
05-05-2012, 12:46 AM
Gresh has been pretty damn good and I expect a big year from him this year. Dunlap has been one of the better pass rushers in the league when healthy. Brandon Ghee I'll give you he's rarely seen the field but he also missed his first year entirely and he definitely has plenty of upside. Geno is an absolute beast while Muck has been good in the limited PT he's seen due to injury. He'll be a core special teamer and he might even push Luga out of his spot if he continues to blow it. The team is apparently pretty fond of Otis Hudson which is why he's still around and he could compete for a starting job in the future. Briscoe was robbed off our practice squad and has done some good things with the Bucs and Reggie Stephens I have no clue.

All in all I'd say thats a pretty good draft. We've drafted more Pro Bowlers over the past two seasons than anyone else and that includes two from the 2010 draft as well. Gresh has had to learn 3 offenses in three years and he has turned into a hell of a blocker who is also a matchup nightmare for defenses in the passing game. Hasn't quite gotten the numbers we mightve expected thus far but don't let that fool you, he's one of the best young TEs out there and I wasn't even clamoring over that pick in the beginning.

I almost can't believe that guy's comments about that draft. If we re-held that draft today, 3 Bengals would be in the 1st round.

Two of the picks have already made the Pro Bowl (Atkins and Gresham), with Atkins leading all DTs in sacks. One other (Dunlap) had 9.5 sacks as a rookie and was rated as the #1 pass rusher in the entire NFL at the midpoint of last season (prior to an injury) by profootballfocus.

That's pretty much the definition of a great draft.

Plus, three of the other guys have struggled through injuries but are still on the roster and still have a chance to be key contributors (Jordan Shipley, Brandon Ghee and Rod Muckelroy).

wadsworth
05-05-2012, 01:34 AM
Jaguars:

Round 1 (also round 4): Blackmon is a very good prospect in a position of need but investing the #7 and an early 4th round pick is more value than I can justify spending on a non-prototype WR prospect. Grade = C-

Round 2: Branch is not a bad pick(I had Curry rated higher) and also in a position of need but at best his value is equal to the draft position, which means average. Grade = C

Round 3: I actually think that if you stretch it you can make a case that Bryan Anger was worth this draft position. Normally I would give this pick a C- but I love the guts displayed by the Jags on this one. Grade = C+

Round 5: Like the prospect(Marshall) but think the 5th was slightly early. Grade = C

Round 6: Harris is good but not great value at this point in the draft. Grade = B-

Round 7: Pendleton, 7th round picks are usually all but meaningless, kudos to the staff for selecting a strong height/weight/speed prospect with a great story and upside. Grade = B

Overall, weighing the early rounds much more than the later rounds I give the entire draft a C grade.

Brodeur
05-05-2012, 01:39 AM
Did you seriously rate the Anger pick better than the Blackmon pick? Are you ******* nuts?

diabsoule
05-05-2012, 01:42 AM
I posted this on a website I write for:

Saints

3rd (89) – Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina (Canada)
To start the draft off the Saints went north of the border to select an extremely raw defensive tackle that was kicked off of LSU's team for violating team policies (hitching a ride with a coach from the airport). There's a lot to like about Hicks as the potential is there for him to be an effective role player in the NFL but he has several areas of his game that he needs to address (hand placement, getting too upright in his stance) before he can become deserving of his draft value. Hicks was considered a late mid-round pick at best and rarely, if ever, was placed in the 3rd round of many of the draft experts mock drafts. It's extremely poor value especially considering that several defensive tackles that were experienced playing against tougher competition than Hicks.

Grade: D

My pick: TE LaDarius Green, UL-Lafayette
Due to their pressing need for a back-up tight end and the league about to become infatuated with two tight-end sets because of the success the New England Patriots had running theirs, the Saints would have been greatly served by drafting someone to complement Jimmy Graham. That player would have been LaDarius Green. Green has strong hands, a willingness to develop his game further, is a huge red-zone target, and he and Graham together would have given opposing defenses fits.

4th (122) – Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
Toon represents the best value the Saints received out of any of their picks. A prototypical possession receiver that complements Marques Colston extremely, Toon can do everything you expect a #2 receiver to do. He can pluck the ball out of the air, run clean routes and get open on a consistent basis but isn't going to wow with his acceleration or break-away speed. The Saints needed a replacement to Meachem and while Toon does not possess Meachem's athleticism he does own better ball skills and route running.

Grade: B

My pick: DT/DE Jared Crick, Nebraska
It's hard to knock the need for a replacement to Meachem but depth at defensive tackle was severely lacking. Crick is the type of player that would have excelled in Spagnuolo's scheme with his versatility and ability to line up at multiple places along the defensive line. His production in college was impressive just like his motor and relentlessness, not to mention that selecting Crick here would have presented excellent value.

5th (162) – Corey White, CB, Samford
The Saints may know something no one else does about this pick but when a college prospect isn't on most draft experts Top 300 lists it leads you to ask “what were they thinking?!” White is a fearless and borderline overly confident strong safety that failed to dominate his level of competition. He does not possess the speed needed to keep up with NFL tight ends but does tremendous run support abilities. White's scouting report reads almost exactly like that of a poor man's Roman Harper's which won't inspire much confidence in Saints fans.

Grade: D

My pick: Marvin Jones, WR, California
A big, tall receiver that made a name for himself at the Senior Bowl, Jones possesses all the skills to be a very effective #2 wide receiver. He lacks breakaway speed but he rarely drops passes, has above-average run after the catch ability, and would be a nice #2 receiver that seems more developed as a receiver than Toon is.

6th (179) – Andrew Tiller, Guard, Syracuse
The Doug Marrone connection was likely in effect with this pick but it was still another one that left most draft analysts scratching their heads. Tiller plays very upright and is heavy-legged with inconsistent technique. He also struggled with the offensive lineman drills at the combine. That being said, he possess prototypical size for an NFL guard and is a nasty, aggressive run blocker.

Grade: D

My pick: Brandon Washington, OG, Miami

Like Tiller, Washington has prototypical size for an NFL guard but has a more sophisticated game with greater strength. As a top 10 guard prospect on most NFL draft experts boards, Washington represented plenty value as many are lauding the Philadelphia Eagles for their selection of him in the 6th.

7th (234) – Marcel Jones, Tackle, Nebraska
It's hard to knock a 7th round draft pick as most turn out to be special teamer's at best, although some can pan out into effective starters (Marques Colston). It's also hard to knock the Saints for drafting the prospect with the best hair in the draft. This guy's afro would have won awards in the 1970s. That aside, Jones has the prototypical size and athleticism but struggles in pass protection and struggles with the fundamentals of line blocking. With the right coaching Jones can develop in a capable backup which bodes well for the Saints as Aaron Kromer is one hell of an offensive line coach.

Grade: C

My pick: Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia

While the Jones pick isn't bad, Johnson represented far greater value. Johnson has developed in each of his season with the Cavaliers and while he's not a sack artist, he has the tools that are there to be an above-average starting defensive end. Most draft experts wouldn't have thought twice about a Johnson selection in the 3rd round much less the 7th. His fall was due mostly to him being diagnosed with the sickle-cell trait.

Saints overall draft grade: D

wadsworth
05-05-2012, 01:57 AM
Did you seriously rate the Anger pick better than the Blackmon pick? Are you ******* nuts?

The answer to the first is obviously yes, you just read it.

The answer to the second is I do not think so, but if I was nuts I likely would not know it. :)

Blackmon is obviously a better prospect but I think he is a reach at the #5 so I downgraded the pick.

The whole Bryan Anger in the third freak out is odd. A punter goes in the third round or sooner in about 1/3 of drafts. It is not a crazy occurrence. I think Anger is a rare prospect at punter worthy of a rare grade.

Brodeur
05-05-2012, 02:03 AM
The answer to the first is obviously yes, you just read it.

The answer to the second is I do not think so, but if I was nuts I likely would not know it. :)

Blackmon is obviously a better prospect but I think he is a reach at the #5 so I downgraded the pick.

The whole Bryan Anger in the third freak out is odd. A punter goes in the third round or sooner in about 1/3 of drafts. It is not a crazy occurrence. I think Anger is a rare prospect at punter worthy of a rare grade.

I'm pretty sure the last Punter to go in the third was BJ Sander, and he was a disaster. Plus, Blackmon is exactly what Gabbert (or whoever they make the QB) needs to develop and is going to be a very solid number 1 for them. Plus, a fourth rounder to get their target is nothing compared to other trades.

wadsworth
05-05-2012, 02:11 AM
I'm pretty sure the last Punter to go in the third was BJ Sander, and he was a disaster. Plus, Blackmon is exactly what Gabbert (or whoever they make the QB) needs to develop and is going to be a very solid number 1 for them. Plus, a fourth rounder to get their target is nothing compared to other trades.

Dustin Colquitt was the most recent to go in the third in 2005, Sanders was 2004.

I am not unhappy with adding Blackmon to the team, in fact I have high hopes. But in the draft I put a high premium on value and I do not think his value was the #5 pick. Just to clarify, I consider a "C" grade an average pick which would mean getting a guy where his value says he should be drafted.

Edit to add:

Some people are sleeping on Bryan Anger. Rob Rang among others had a 3rd-4th round grade on him. Daniel Jeremiah said:

-"You can argue about the decision to take a punter that early but Anger was the best punter I've ever evaluated."

...and added:

-On Jax selecting Anger in the 3rd rd… had personnel man text me "in 3 yrs, he will prove to be 1 of 5 best players in that rd"

A lot of people freaked out over the pick, but it really should not have been that much of a surprise.