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cmd34
04-30-2012, 06:19 PM
1. Eric Reid S 6-2/208 LSU – He’s big, has good speed, and real ball skills. A lot of the draft websites aren’t really talking about him or I am seriously overrating him. He’s by far my favorite 2013 prospect.

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=204879620
http://mit.zenfs.com/214/2011/09/Eric-Reid.jpg


2. William Gholston OLB/DE 6-7/280 Michigan State – This kid is a physical freak. Picture Julius Peppers or Mario Williams with Ray Lewis’ attitude. The Spartans were so desperate to get him on the field as a freshman they played him at Middle Linebacker. Mean kid has to learn to temper his emotions.

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gholston_william00.html
http://spartannation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMG_8910-590x1024.jpg

3. Jarvis Jones OLB 6-3/241 Georgia – Former Trojan was told by USC doctors he may not be able to play again. Went home to Georgia and started terrorizing SEC quarterbacks. Would be an ideal complement to DeMarcus Ware.

http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jones_jarvis00.html
http://mit.zenfs.com/214/2011/12/Jarvis-Jones-Sack.jpg

4. Jesse Williams NT/DE 6-4/319 Alabama – Fierce Australian who forced his way into Alabama’s starting line-up (Josh Chapman started at Nose Tackle) in 2011. Should move back to his natural position this year.

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/williams_jesse00.html
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/393/522/124049329_display_image.jpg


5. Manti Te’o ILB 6-2/255 Notre Dame – This all depends on whether Bruce Carter works out. Ideally, in a 3-4, you want your SILB to be a thick, physical kid who can take on blockers. Teo would allow Sean Lee to play WILB, which would free him up to make even more plays.

http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/teo_manti00.html
http://bloguin.com/crystalballrun/images/stories/manti-teo.jpg


6. TJ McDonald S 6-3/205 USC – The son of former Pro Bowl safety Tim McDonald, TJ has been an effective playmaker at USC. He’s a big hitter, has a nose for the ball, and studies film like a quarterback. He makes up for a lack of elite speed by positioning himself in the right spots and reading offenses.

http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcdonald_tj00.html
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/722/843/134210513_display_image.jpg

7. Tony Jefferson S 5-10/199 Oklahoma – Another playmaker. Oklahoma has used him at linebacker against the Big 12’s spread offenses but he is a natural safety and most feel will be the first one selected in 2013.

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jefferson_tony00.html
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Z1mCz3LWC7w/TUHT1XGJlmI/AAAAAAAABFQ/bZJAgwNEvi4/s1600/medium.jpg


8. Levine Toilolo TE 6-8/263 Stanford – Six foot eight. Enough said. Seriously, he’s a more physical Jimmy Graham and would be ideal to be groomed as Jason Witten’s successor.

http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/toilolo_levine00.html
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2011/College%20football/2011-season/Week13/11-26_stanford-notredamepg-vertical.jpg

9. Kenny Vaccaro S 6-1/215 Texas – More of a 2nd or 3rd round pick, another playmaking safety. He will need to continue to improve his coverage skills but he is a punishing hitter.

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/vaccaro_kenny00.html
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/921/394/129686680_display_image.jpg


10. Devon Kennard OLB/DE 6-3/260 USC – The son of former Cowboy offensive lineman Derek Kennard, it would be a dream come true for Devon to play for Dallas. While at USC, he has played or started at LDE, RDE, MLB, and SLB, so his versatility could pay off in Rob Ryan’s scheme. He could also back-up several positions while he develops into an eventual starter.

http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kennard_devon00.html
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/gallery_images/photos/000/500/758/2010-09-14_102484538SD061_Virginia_v_U_crop_450x500.jpg

cmd34
04-30-2012, 06:20 PM
Can anyone tell me why the image thing isn't working?

Do I have to be approved or reach a certain number of posts before I can post pics?

CowboysBeastMode
04-30-2012, 06:46 PM
Barkevious 'KeKe' Mingo

i think he's gonna be a top 8 pick next year, he's the most explosive de i've ever seen since ware. he still raw in terms of pass rush moves but you can't coach his raw physical tools. if the cowboys can get this guy its over, him and ware gonna dominate

D-Unit
04-30-2012, 06:54 PM
With the #1 Draft Pick, the Cowboys select:


You found me!

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2849/img4735f.jpg

Im_a_Romosexual
04-30-2012, 07:51 PM
1. Vaccaro

2. David Amerson

atm

D-Unit
04-30-2012, 08:11 PM
1. Vaccaro

2. David Amerson

atm
Amerson is good, but I really don't think we're gonna be drafting a CB in Round 1 next year.

Im_a_Romosexual
04-30-2012, 08:13 PM
hmm I thought he was a safety

D-Unit
04-30-2012, 08:21 PM
hmm I thought he was a safety
He started at CB for the Wolfpack last year, but you do make a good point about the posibility of him moving to Safety since he has the size for it.

cmd34
04-30-2012, 08:26 PM
He started at CB for the Wolfpack last year, but you do make a good point about the posibility of him moving to Safety since he has the size for it.


He is actually a legit 6'3" cornerback. I thought safety too when I first read about him and then I watched him play.

D-Unit
04-30-2012, 08:31 PM
He is actually a legit 6'3" cornerback. I thought safety too when I first read about him and then I watched him play.
Alright, cool. Thanks for the impression.

Wouldn't surprise me if this becomes a debate that will follow him throughout the season though.

TheFinisher
05-01-2012, 03:31 PM
If Bjoern "The Berlin Wall" Werner comes out early next year that's the guy I want.

D-Unit
05-01-2012, 04:38 PM
If Bjoern "The Berlin Wall" Werner comes out early next year that's the guy I want.
Never heard of him... Who is that?

cmd34
05-01-2012, 05:01 PM
Never heard of him... Who is that?

http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/werner_bjoern00.html

6'4", 272 lb. DE from Florida State. I'm not sure if he'd be a big OLB or have to bulk up and play DE in a 3-4.
http://warchant.zenfolio.com/img/s5/v4/p457417545-3.jpg

D-Unit
05-01-2012, 05:14 PM
I was thinking along the lines of OL, NT or FS.

So I like Barrett Jones, Star Lotulelei, Jessie Williams, Johnathan Hankins, Kwame Geathers, TJ McDonald, Tony Jefferson, Bacarri Rambo or Eric Reid.

TheFinisher
05-01-2012, 05:31 PM
Never heard of him... Who is that?

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http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/werner_bjoern00.html

6'4", 272 lb. DE from Florida State. I'm not sure if he'd be a big OLB or have to bulk up and play DE in a 3-4.
http://warchant.zenfolio.com/img/s5/v4/p457417545-3.jpg


Probably have to bulk up a little to play 5-Tech. How big is Justin Smith from the 9ers? That's who he reminds me of as a prospect.

TheFinisher
05-01-2012, 05:39 PM
I was thinking along the lines of OL, NT or FS.

So I like Barrett Jones, Star Lotulelei, Jessie Williams, Johnathan Hankins, Kwame Geathers, TJ McDonald, Tony Jefferson, Bacarri Rambo or Eric Reid.

Lotulelei is intriguing but unless we finish with a top 10 pick I don't think we'll have a shot at him, which sucks. He's right up there with Ngata and Raji as NT prospects.

Safety class is loaded, it's the best one I can remember in quite some time. There are 4 maybe 5 guys I like better than I did Mark Barron this year, so I'm all for that. McDonald, Jefferson, Reid, Vacarro, Rambo... and that's just off the top of my head.

I wouldn't rule out OLB either, there are some freakish edge rushers in this class too. Outside of the popular names like Jarvis Jones, Mingo, Barkevious, Gholston, etc.. I'm intrigued by Oregon's Dion Jordan, 6'7 245 with a pterodactyl wingspan and reported 4.4 speed.

http://autzenzoo.com/files/2012/02/5774522.jpg

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D-Unit
05-01-2012, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I'm already excited about next year's draft! It sounds so LOADED!!!

Heck... we might even get a QB! Who knows?

CowboysBeastMode
05-01-2012, 05:59 PM
I'm intrigued by Oregon's Dion Jordan, 6'7 245 with a pterodactyl wingspan and reported 4.4 speed.

http://autzenzoo.com/files/2012/02/5774522.jpg

im gonna be lookin out for this guy in the fall

thule
05-08-2012, 01:31 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0305/rn_a_khaledholmes_ms_600.jpg

Khaled Holmes (C): May be a bit of a stretch, but Holmes is by far the best center in the class. It also helps that he played different positions on the offensive line, which shows versatility. Has great technique, strength and football intelligence. Obtained a lot of experience. Expect a late first-round pickup.

D-Unit
05-08-2012, 01:34 PM
Sup Holmes?! haha. Great mention! But I think Barrett Jones from Alabama will fight with him for the top spot. He also has played multiple positions along the line.

cmd34
05-08-2012, 02:07 PM
A little info on Khaled. His older brother Alex played TE for USC and was in the NFL briefly.

His sister is married to Troy Polamalu.

If we are drafting late in the 1st I would be every happy to draft Holmes and end this Costa debacle.

thule
06-25-2012, 01:03 PM
For all you Ray Ray Armstrong fans. Pretty harsh words in this.

http://nflmocks.com/2012/06/21/ray-ray-armstrong-2013-nfl-draft-scouting-report

Miami strong safety Ray-Ray Armstrong is considered, by most draft gurus, to be a first or second round prospect in next year’s draft. But there is absolutely no way that anyone who has seen him play believes that he actually has a future in the NFL. I have never seen a player touted as a “future 1st round pick” who is as horrific as Armstrong is on film. And I saw Vontaze Burfict before his draft stock fell. Armstrong is a joke, and, if he actually gets drafted as high as everyone says he will (which I doubt), he will be a major bust in the NFL.

TheFinisher
07-01-2012, 12:26 PM
For all you Ray Ray Armstrong fans. Pretty harsh words in this.

http://nflmocks.com/2012/06/21/ray-ray-armstrong-2013-nfl-draft-scouting-report

He supposedly just got suspended indefinitely:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=CFB&id=131306&line=20121&spln=1

chrlopez1
07-15-2012, 01:42 PM
I not going to put names so far in future, but I think next year's draft will be exactly what we want. Their will be some OLB/DE and some good safeties coming out and well as around 4-5 QB who will move some players down the board. I think we need to keep 2 QB this year and next year you draft a good QB if one is there in the 1st Round.

I think next year we can get our next OLB or Safety in round 1. I also think their is plenty of depth at D-Line as to take one in Round 2. I just think next year draft offers so much of what we need in terms of at the top of the draft.

I really like the Safeties coming up next year and I think we can have another solid draft.

thule
07-16-2012, 12:53 AM
I not going to put names so far in future, but I think next year's draft will be exactly what we want. Their will be some OLB/DE and some good safeties coming out and well as around 4-5 QB who will move some players down the board. I think we need to keep 2 QB this year and next year you draft a good QB if one is there in the 1st Round.

I think next year we can get our next OLB or Safety in round 1. I also think their is plenty of depth at D-Line as to take one in Round 2. I just think next year draft offers so much of what we need in terms of at the top of the draft.

I really like the Safeties coming up next year and I think we can have another solid draft.

What safeties do you like for us coming out next year?

chrlopez1
07-16-2012, 01:55 PM
Here are a couple of players I like and this is based on what I have read or seen...I am no expert nor do I argue here on NFLCD.

FS.
Reid
Lester

DL
Star Lotelului

OLB/LB

OG
Barrett Jones

QB
Jones
Wilson

These are some that I like and will keep an eye on them. I don't look at mocks at least til the season starts and than it gets good after the 8 game of the year as positions start to be known.

thule
07-16-2012, 01:57 PM
Some names that came up the I feel like might be a fit.


Cincinnati

Drew Frey, SS – Frey is an intelligent play-making safety. Entering his fourth season as a starter, Frey will become the leader of the Bearcats defense. As a junior Frey recorded 73 tackles, 8 pass defensed and 2 interceptions. At 6’3″ Frey has not only the size but also the athleticism to project to the NFL.

Frey was his high schools valedictorian, so he definitely has the brains to pick up more complex defensive schemes.

Walter Stewart, DE/OLB – Cincinnati has produced a number of good NFL pass rushers over the past five years including Connor Barwin and it looks like Walter Stewart will be the next one to make the jump. Stewart is explosive off the edge, thanks in part to a very good first step.

At 6’4″ 248 pounds he has ideal size to play 3-4 OLB, but he also is big enough to play with his hand in the dirt as a 4-3 DE. Stewart recorded only six sacks as a Junior but, led the Big East in forced fumbles with four, and both numbers should improve this season. Stewart is an under the radar player right now who could rocket up draft boards as he piles up the sacks this year.

Ryan Griffin, TE, UConn - Griffin is UConn’s leading returning receiver after posting 33 catches for 499 yards and 3 touchdowns last season. In a passing offense that is anemic at times those numbers are pretty impressive. Griffin provides a huge target (6’6″ 248 lbs) and better than average speed for a TE. Griffin is able to stretch the field averaging 15.1 yards per reception.

There aren’t many quality TE prospects in college football this season, so Griffin’s name will certainly be in the discussion during draft time.


Mario Benavides, OC, Louisville – Benavides is perhaps the best interior lineman in the Big East. He has been a starter since his redshirt freshman season and has consistantly improved into one of the best run blockers in the conference. Benavides has become one of the leaders on the Louisville football team, developing a leadership trait that is imperative for centers to have.

NFL quality centers are hard to come by, making Benavides a mid-round draftable prospect.

DC Jefferson, TE, Rutgers – Jefferson was once a highly recruited quarterback who was moved to tight end prior to 2009 season. As you would expect it has taken Jefferson time to adjust to the position, especially when it comes to blocking. However, Jefferson has improved his route running and has begun to make more of an impact in the passing game last season. With Jefferson it’s all about projectability and what he could become. His 6’5″ 260 pound frame makes him a mismatch in coverage and while he is still very raw, look for further improvement this season.

The tight end position is becoming valued a lot more in the NFL and expect Jefferson to get a look.

chrlopez1
07-16-2012, 02:07 PM
I think you are more knowledgeable with more prospects and that great.....I just kind of look at the top 200 and go from there. But I do think lets see how the season goes and we will see what direction we need to go. i think FS and OLB and maybe a QB...u never know.

Trogdor
07-17-2012, 03:56 PM
Sheesh if Margus Hunt falls to us next year we shouldn't blink, breathe, or pause. Just walk the card up to the front.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DXIV8LYURsc

thule
07-20-2012, 12:28 PM
Couple Big 10 guys I have my eye on.

Gholston has that size we covet when looking at 5-techs.

Hankins is a guy I really like. Big body and knows how to use it.

Travis Frederick has position versatility and is a good pulling lineman...screams what we need.

Adams certainly fits the bill with the type of corners we've been targetting. Mid round guy to compete with Scandrick.

William Gholston, junior defensive end, Michigan State: At 6-7, 275 pounds, Gholston looks more like a burly NBA power forward than a football player — and that's a compliment. He's a strong, impressive athlete who finished with 70 tackles and 16 tackles for loss last year. Though he was suspended for a game for the aforementioned punch, he could stand to be a little aggressive vs. opposing blockers between the whistles. But, barring injury, he's still a favorite for Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year.

Johnathan Hankins, junior defensive tackle, Ohio State: Plum big at 6-3 and 320 pounds — although his belly suggests that he's really around 340 or 350 — Hankins was one reason Nebraska last year abandoned its power game for a spread offense during its 34-27 win. NU's linemen couldn't really move him. Hankins finished with 67 tackles last year — 14 for loss — and figures to be an early entrant into the draft. Hankins isn't a technician at his spot, but most guys aren't after their sophomore years. He has the upside to be an All-American this year. In fact — chalk it up.

Travis Frederick, junior interior offensive line, Wisconsin: Another piece of that terrific Badger Bulge, this 6-4, 330-pounder can play guard, center or even tackle in a pinch. He's one of the last guys in the country you want to see pulling around the corner.

Johnny Adams, senior defensive back, Michigan State: After 28 starts, the 5-11, 175-pounder has eight career interceptions and 17 pass breakups. In MSU's spring game, he also played wide receiver and should see time there in the fall. Adams can jump, and he's physical enough to make sure wide receivers don't get an angle for that easy slant pattern.

LonghornsLegend
07-28-2012, 06:44 AM
I want to officially get a hype train started for either of the LSU Safeties to end up here. We should have a legit shot at either one, and I would be ecstatic with either one. We've passed on Safety for too long and next year we can finally get a stud back there.

TheFlash (CDCB)
07-28-2012, 10:33 PM
I want to officially get a hype train started for either of the LSU Safeties to end up here. We should have a legit shot at either one, and I would be ecstatic with either one. We've passed on Safety for too long and next year we can finally get a stud back there.

No no no, D-Unit has it right. We need to continue to build the OL and/or get a NT in next year's draft. We got flashy with the outside positions, now it's time to build a good team from the inside out. Our cornerbacks and wide receivers should be set for a while, now we need to go after the big uglies. I hope Garrett and Stephen adopt that philosophy more than Jerry has in year's past. I like what we have at 5-tech between Hatcher, Lissemore, Crawford, and Geathers, but NT is a different story if a stud comes along, and so is center or guard. We need to beef up those positions.

I wouldn't mind an OLB in the 1st round to groom as Ware's future replacement, but I also wouldn't mind switching back to the 4-3 if we simply can't find Ware's replacement because it isn't going to be some easy task, and the rest of our personnel probably better suits a 4-3 anyways.

I don't particularly want a safety if a quality player at the already mentioned positions is available because for one I want to beef up the trenches, and two we already have enough resources placed into the secondary.

I'm TheFlash by the way. Longtime reader, just made an account.

LonghornsLegend
07-28-2012, 10:46 PM
No no no, D-Unit has it right. We need to continue to build the OL and/or get a NT in next year's draft. We got flashy with the outside positions, now it's time to build a good team from the inside out. Our cornerbacks and wide receivers should be set for a while, now we need to go after the big uglies. I hope Garrett and Stephen adopt that philosophy more than Jerry has in year's past. I like what we have at 5-tech between Hatcher, Lissemore, Crawford, and Geathers, but NT is a different story if a stud comes along, and so is center or guard. We need to beef up those positions.

I wouldn't mind an OLB in the 1st round to groom as Ware's future replacement, but I also wouldn't mind switching back to the 4-3 if we simply can't find Ware's replacement because it isn't going to be some easy task, and the rest of our personnel probably better suits a 4-3 anyways.

I don't particularly want a safety if a quality player at the already mentioned positions is available because for one I want to beef up the trenches, and two we already have enough resources placed into the secondary.

I'm TheFlash by the way. Longtime reader, just made an account.


We can't continue to trot out garbage at the Safety position. It's far too important in today's game to keep over looking it. It's not a flashy position by any means, those guys are focal points of the defense and generals in the secondary. Maybe it's just me but I'm tired of having terrible safety play year after year after year, then signing guys who should not be starters for any other team.


We have a replacement for Ware in Butler IMO, and we can target O-line in FA and rounds 2-4 and still get quality interior guys. We only need interior anyway not the entire line.


Btw welcome to the forums! Hope you stick around.

TheFlash (CDCB)
07-28-2012, 10:55 PM
We can't continue to trot out garbage at the Safety position. It's far too important in today's game to keep over looking it. It's not a flashy position by any means, those guys are focal points of the defense and generals in the secondary. Maybe it's just me but I'm tired of having terrible safety play year after year after year, then signing guys who should not be starters for any other team.


We have a replacement for Ware in Butler IMO, and we can target O-line in FA and rounds 2-4 and still get quality interior guys. We only need interior anyway not the entire line.


Btw welcome to the forums! Hope you stick around.

Butler can't play full time, he's simply too small. He'll get gobbled up by quality left tackles if he's playing full time. Besides, he's going to be a free agent next year and I doubt we re-sign him. He'll go to a team where he gets a nice contract with a much better shot to start.

As for the interior line suggestion.... we've been doing that for the past decade and it hasn't worked. We've done OK with some free agents (Kosier, Leonard Davis), but we haven't hit home runs, and name one guy we've drafted in the middle rounds that we've developed in house and has become a quality player... Exactly. Now, we may have something with Leary, but that remains to be seen.

Sometimes you just need to cut the crap and use a quality resource on one of the "non-glamor" positions. I wouldn't have a problem with Eric Reid, but if we continue to go the route of average free agents and picking guys like Arkin for the interior OL, we will continue to have problems and being saying the same things every off-season as we watch the playoffs from home.

LonghornsLegend
07-28-2012, 11:11 PM
We still can't pin us in a hole and say "well we have to take a G/C in the first round and that's it". Is it an option? Sure. But it certainly doesn't need to be the only need or area to draft there. Leonard Davis was a homerun FA pick-up, and just because we have drafted bust in the mid rounds on O-lineman doesn't mean you just quit trying.


A ton of our mid round picks have been bust, that isn't saying much really. I also don't consider rounds 2-3 mid round picks, that is more 4-6. There are tons of quality good players there. There isn't always a Guard or Center worth a late 1st round pick every draft anyway, it may or may not be one there.


It would be a huge mistake to pass on a Safety who projects as a long term starter and a future pro bowler for a solid Guard prospect who isn't anything special. Both positions are huge needs.

TheFlash (CDCB)
07-29-2012, 07:10 AM
We still can't pin us in a hole and say "well we have to take a G/C in the first round and that's it". Is it an option? Sure. But it certainly doesn't need to be the only need or area to draft there. Leonard Davis was a homerun FA pick-up, and just because we have drafted bust in the mid rounds on O-lineman doesn't mean you just quit trying.


A ton of our mid round picks have been bust, that isn't saying much really. I also don't consider rounds 2-3 mid round picks, that is more 4-6. There are tons of quality good players there. There isn't always a Guard or Center worth a late 1st round pick every draft anyway, it may or may not be one there.


It would be a huge mistake to pass on a Safety who projects as a long term starter and a future pro bowler for a solid Guard prospect who isn't anything special. Both positions are huge needs.

I agree. Alex Mack is a free agent next year, if we could somehow find the money to sign him, we'd be in DAMN GOOD shape.

TheFinisher
08-23-2012, 04:36 AM
I have a feeling our lack of WR depth will come back to bite us this season. Right now it's UDFA Andre Holmes and then a bunch of guys who are too small to play outside in our offense. We're relying too heavily on Miles and Dez staying healthy for the entire season, and TBQH that's a long shot. I was open to drafting another big, physical outside receiver somewhere between 2-4 last season... but this year I think it's more likely, especially if Miles has another disappointing year due to injuries/drops. We need to protect ourselves if he can't live up to his deal.

A guy I really like is Da'Rick Rogers. The first time I saw him play last year I had visions of he and Dez on opposite sides. He's exactly what we look for in our outside receivers, big/strong vertical threat with the ability to break tackles and eat up YAC. He's also got some impressive ball skills and routinely overmatches CBs on jump ball situations. I'm not sure what his range is come draft day, but with a potentially deep WR class I see some draft services listing him as a 2nd Rounder... which would be ideal.

epb9DEsll2o

CowboysBeastMode
08-27-2012, 07:22 AM
I have a feeling our lack of WR depth will come back to bite us this season. Right now it's UDFA Andre Holmes and then a bunch of guys who are too small to play outside in our offense. We're relying too heavily on Miles and Dez staying healthy for the entire season, and TBQH that's a long shot. I was open to drafting another big, physical outside receiver somewhere between 2-4 last season... but this year I think it's more likely, especially if Miles has another disappointing year due to injuries/drops. We need to protect ourselves if he can't live up to his deal.

A guy I really like is Da'Rick Rogers. The first time I saw him play last year I had visions of he and Dez on opposite sides. He's exactly what we look for in our outside receivers, big/strong vertical threat with the ability to break tackles and eat up YAC. He's also got some impressive ball skills and routinely overmatches CBs on jump ball situations. I'm not sure what his range is come draft day, but with a potentially deep WR class I see some draft services listing him as a 2nd Rounder... which would be ideal.

epb9DEsll2owell rogers just got suspeneded indefinitely, so doubt cowboys touch him

TheFinisher
08-28-2012, 08:09 AM
well rogers just got suspeneded indefinitely, so doubt cowboys touch him

Yea I saw that, too bad.

Witten4HOF
08-28-2012, 08:51 PM
I have a feeling our lack of WR depth will come back to bite us this season. Right now it's UDFA Andre Holmes and then a bunch of guys who are too small to play outside in our offense. We're relying too heavily on Miles and Dez staying healthy for the entire season, and TBQH that's a long shot. I was open to drafting another big, physical outside receiver somewhere between 2-4 last season... but this year I think it's more likely, especially if Miles has another disappointing year due to injuries/drops. We need to protect ourselves if he can't live up to his deal.

A guy I really like is Da'Rick Rogers. The first time I saw him play last year I had visions of he and Dez on opposite sides. He's exactly what we look for in our outside receivers, big/strong vertical threat with the ability to break tackles and eat up YAC. He's also got some impressive ball skills and routinely overmatches CBs on jump ball situations. I'm not sure what his range is come draft day, but with a potentially deep WR class I see some draft services listing him as a 2nd Rounder... which would be ideal.

epb9DEsll2o

There is some cause for some uncertainty down the road having two starters that are injury prone and one that could potentially be a ticking time bomb but it would be hard to justify a pick in the first three rounds considering the other needs on this team.

The team is in desperate need for quality lineman to maintain a high success level on offense. Believe it or not there will be a day when Tony won't be athletic enough to dodge free rushers and it won't matter who is catching the ball if we can't keep the QB upright. Barrett Jones or Khaled Holmes would be nice targets in the first two rounds.

Rob's defense is still in need of an athletic center fielder to compliment Sensy. Hopefully Barry Church can fill in as the starting SS while Gerald continues to roam as FS, but is that really the combo you want on the back end ? This draft looks like it could be potentially stocked with an athletic breed of prospects. Tony Jefferson has a lot of potential as does Reid and TJ McDonald not to mention the draft is top heavy on lanky CB's who may be able to convert.

The team may be in a position that Ryan will have to replace Spencer at starter on the strong side. At this point do we know if Wilbur will be ready come this point next year? Also, how much longer can Ratliff take the beating at NT and is the combo of Lissemore/ Brent good enough to take over. What will Coleman be able to provide next year if Lissemore or Crawford can't step into a starting role?

The earliest I can see I WR being taken is the 4th round unless it is just a value the team can't pass up. There are just more pressing needs imo, it is still early but I think the team will be able to develop one of these young guys into a solid slot WR and if it comes to it Jerry will open the check book if it comes to finding a starter.

D-Unit
08-31-2012, 01:17 PM
2013 MOCK 1.0


1. Travis Fredrick, LG - Wisconsin - 6'4, 330

Rex Ryan got his fair share of Toys this year. I expect Jason Garrett to reward himself next year. Garrett is close with ex-Wisconsin OC, Paul Chryst who knows all about this kid. This is a pick that I can see happening.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1208/cfb-preview-all-big-ten-team/images/travis-frederick-opxc-69773-mid.jpg


2. Shawn Williams, S - Georgia - 6'1, 218

I really thought he would be a sleeper, but Scouts Inc just released their Top 50 and he was there. Both he and Rambo would be good picks, but I think Rambo is gone. I LOVE this safety class! LOVE IT! That's why I don't think it would be wise to go there in Round 1. Take advantage of the depth. But heck... the 1st round studs are such STUDS!... so I wouldn't be mad at all if we got one of them at all.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/90/435/6_435090.jpg


3. Braxston Cave, C - Notre Dame - 6'3, 315

Sleeper? I don't know. But he's a strong ox and has the look of a pro Center. Let's see how his season goes. Either way, the Cowboys need to establish power on the OL.

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1285674986/Cave001.jpeg.jpeg


4. Ray Graham, RB - Pitt - 5'09, 192

Felix the Flop is a FA. Say Bye Bye. Graham is only on the board here because he tore his ACL in Oct of last year. He'll have one year to prove himself healthy, but the kid is mezmorizing. Paul Chryst is the new HC at Pitt and we all know that Garrett is close to Chryst.

http://c10184100.r0.cf2.rackcdn.com/03-30-54_ray-graham_original.jpg


5. Brandon Williams, NT - Missouri Southern State - 6'2, 320

My sleeper special. He might rise really high and this may end up being a pipe dream value, but he's not high on any lists yet, so it's fair game. This guy is thick, hungry and has the kind of attitude that Garrett loves.

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LonghornsLegend
08-31-2012, 01:28 PM
Wow D, you killed this mock. Wisconsin interior offensive lineman? Me likey. Those are the types of players we need. Guard, Safety and Center to start things is right on target, though I'm with you on if we take a Safety 1st I would be happy also.


Ray Graham is a phenomanal pick. We'll need another RB for sure, maybe 2 more guys, and this guy can do everything well. Amazing vision, tough, runs hard inside, isn't afraid of contact, has a nice burst, I fell in love watching him pre-injury and he looked better then Shady. In fact I think you may have just gotten me to the point where I'll be hoping we get him for the next 8 months.


Job well done here.

Macarthur
08-31-2012, 01:38 PM
I like it. Frederick is going to be a beast, IMO.

cmd34
09-02-2012, 05:23 PM
Shawn Williams, a player I like, is more suited to play Strong Safety IMO and we have two Strong Safety types in Church and Sensabaugh. I really want a true Free Safety for our D.

D-Unit
09-02-2012, 05:37 PM
Shawn Williams, a player I like, is more suited to play Strong Safety IMO and we have two Strong Safety types in Church and Sensabaugh. I really want a true Free Safety for our D.
Yeah, there are better fits out there for FS. Such a stud though.

Witten4HOF
09-02-2012, 11:08 PM
1)Barrett Jones 6'5 305 C/G, Alabama-Simply seems like the RKG that JG is looking for, has played every position on the line in college. Very smart player who is a solid technician with a frame to get bigger and stronger. JG still has a very good relationship with Saban and will steer coach in the right direction.
http://sports.ap.org/college-football/content/preview/2010/20101218/04/b2507fd3dd7746cb8c65f23183b999b3.JPG

2)Jackson Jeffcoat 6'4 250 OLB, Texas- Garrett always talks about Cowboys tradition, why not bring in the son of a former teammate? With Spencer and Butler eligible for FA the OLB position could look very thin come the offseason. Jeffcoat is a legit 3-4 prospect with experience dropping into coverage at UT. Energy player with a nice motor that can contribute right away.
http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/0807/ncf_u_jacksonjeffcoat_cmg_600.jpg

3)Xavier Rhodes 6'1 215 S/CB, Florida St-My sleeper candidate at safety who might be on the rise. Plays corner but has experience dropping into deep zone coverage. Solid athlete who can play the ball in the air and isn't afraid to support the run. Downside is he has been nicked up his entire college career.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/files/2011/07/FSU-Xavier-Rhodes-MCT-575x529.jpg

4)Travis Bond 6'6 345 OG, UNC-HUGE man with the ability to blow lineman off of the ball. At this point get by using his size and will need time to improve footwork and leverage but has good athleticism for his size. The 4th round has been the range the team has pulled the trigger on lineman in the past and probably will continue to develop in this range.
http://media.scout.com/media/image/70/705176.jpg

5)Collin Klein 6'5 220 QB, Kansas St-Gamer with prototypical size and very good athleticism. Needs time to have his mechanics reworked and to slow down his reads. Tends to trust his legs more then his arm but has shown he can get the ball vertical when he has an open target. Garrett values a developmental QB and swallowed his pride by offering McGee in cuts. Klein is a good project who could surprise as the heir apparent to Romo.
http://1350kman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ferocious-klein.jpg

cmd34
09-03-2012, 12:29 PM
1)Barrett Jones 6'5 305 C/G, Alabama-Simply seems like the RKG that JG is looking for, has played every position on the line in college. Very smart player who is a solid technician with a frame to get bigger and stronger. JG still has a very good relationship with Saban and will steer coach in the right direction.
http://sports.ap.org/college-football/content/preview/2010/20101218/04/b2507fd3dd7746cb8c65f23183b999b3.JPG

2)Jackson Jeffcoat 6'4 250 OLB, Texas- Garrett always talks about Cowboys tradition, why not bring in the son of a former teammate? With Spencer and Butler eligible for FA the OLB position could look very thin come the offseason. Jeffcoat is a legit 3-4 prospect with experience dropping into coverage at UT. Energy player with a nice motor that can contribute right away.
http://espn.go.com/photo/2011/0807/ncf_u_jacksonjeffcoat_cmg_600.jpg

3)Xavier Rhodes 6'1 215 S/CB, Florida St-My sleeper candidate at safety who might be on the rise. Plays corner but has experience dropping into deep zone coverage. Solid athlete who can play the ball in the air and isn't afraid to support the run. Downside is he has been nicked up his entire college career.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/files/2011/07/FSU-Xavier-Rhodes-MCT-575x529.jpg

4)Travis Bond 6'6 345 OG, UNC-HUGE man with the ability to blow lineman off of the ball. At this point get by using his size and will need time to improve footwork and leverage but has good athleticism for his size. The 4th round has been the range the team has pulled the trigger on lineman in the past and probably will continue to develop in this range.
http://media.scout.com/media/image/70/705176.jpg

5)Collin Klein 6'5 220 QB, Kansas St-Gamer with prototypical size and very good athleticism. Needs time to have his mechanics reworked and to slow down his reads. Tends to trust his legs more then his arm but has shown he can get the ball vertical when he has an open target. Garrett values a developmental QB and swallowed his pride by offering McGee in cuts. Klein is a good project who could surprise as the heir apparent to Romo.
http://1350kman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ferocious-klein.jpg

After 1st 2 rounds I would pass out so the rest of the draft wouldn't matter.

Witten4HOF
09-03-2012, 09:56 PM
Brandon Jenkins is out for the season with a left leg injury. It will be interesting to find out exactly what the injury is and if he will apply for an injury redshirt or rehab for the draft. Still could be on the on the radar as a value pick if he drops lower then expected ala Sean Lee / Bruce Carter.

D-Unit
09-07-2012, 06:56 PM
2013 MOCK 2.0


Round 1. Jonathan Cooper, OG/C - UNC - 6'3, 310

http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0606/ncf_u_jonathancooper_es_600.jpg

I've been wanting an OL with dredlocks for a while now. LOL. Seriously. More seriously, Cooper is legit. Reports on him are glowing and they seem to fit the montra along the OL that Garrett has been looking for. Similar strengths to Tyron Smith in athleticism, balance, and fluidity. I love Cooper because he can project to either OG or C.

http://media.scout.com/media/image/83/834758.jpg


Round 2. Bacarri Rambo, S - Georgia - 6'1, 218

I have doubts about Garrett getting over Rambo's suspension for eating Pot Brownies, but for the rugged Rob Ryan, I have to imagine a guy who's name is Bacarri Rambo is a match made in football heaven for him.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Bacarri+Rambo+Auburn+v+Georgia+er_3Gun75mwl.jpg


Round 3. DJ Fluker, OT - Alabama - 6'6, 335

His stock has faded some whereas his peers have risen to 1st round status (Scouts Inc has him ranked #103 overall), but there's still a lot to be liked there if you're looking for a RT. Doug Free is coming off a very bad season and if he has another one this year, he could be in danger of getting cut for salary cap purposes alone. Last year his base salary was $700K. This year it's $1.2M. Next season it SKY ROCKETS to $7M and $8M the year after. He'll need to play extremely well this year to ward off desires from the Cowboys to look at OTs in this year's draft.

http://nflsfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dj-fluker11.jpg


Round 4. Kyle Fuller, CB - 6'0, 193

Mike Jenkins might not be with the team next season, so CB depth will be a concern. Lengh is becoming more and more important for today's NFL CBs and Fuller brings that. Versatile enough to play any CB spot, but Fuller has played mostly in the nickel spot and flourished in the role as he led the team in tackles for loss last season with 14.5.He had 65 tackles, including 4.5 sacks, 2 interceptions, 7 pass break ups, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery. He's a strong open-field tackler with great closing speed who makes a lot of plays and seems to have the perfect package of what we're looking for.

http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/files/2012/07/7.11p-fuller.jpg

Witten4HOF
09-08-2012, 11:20 PM
Just something I thought of to keep myself objective during nationally televised games with players that fit our team needs. This week I watched Star Lotulelei against Utah St and John Jenkins vs Missouri.

Stock up John Jenkins: Line up at nose guard most of the game and occasionally across LG in a 4 man front. When lined up head on center garnered automatic double from either guard. Showed the ability to drive combo blocks and still managed to get push in the pocket. Good awareness on plays pitched to the outside and gave effort to shuffle down the line in an attempt to make a play. Was not replaced in passing downs, has ability to split the double and pursuit for the sack. (see sack 8:15 left in 4th) Appeared to wear down late in 4th as Mizzou went with the hurry up (5:50-3:30), went down with some sort of injury. Grabbed his hamstring and reached for his foot. I'm assuming it was a cramp or he was exhausted from the hurry up but he was helped off the field.

Stock Down Star Lutulelei: Also lined up at nose guard and over LG in his game against Utah St. Ability is certainly there, was able to make plays in his area and was able to get a sack on the QB. Utah St clearly made it a point to employ the option and quick passes in a successful play to neutralize the best player on defense. Single blocked almost exclusively throughout the game by the center #58 or LG #54. Looked content locking up with the lineman blocking when the play didn't come right to him. Did not look to disengage and chase the ball. Expected to see more effort getting into the pocket.

TheFinisher
09-09-2012, 10:10 AM
Mock Draft V 1.0 Rounds 1-4

Round 1: T.J. McDonald (6-3, 205) | S | USC

If there's a year to draft a difference maker at the safety position then 2013 is it. A draft that is top-heavy at the position, McDonald is near the cream of the crop, a rangy centerfielder with NFL bloodlines has been groomed over the past 3 seasons by legendary ex-NFL DC Monte Kiffin. While his unique size has drawn comparisons to ex-Trojan Taylor Mays, McDonald is the total opposite in his ability to flip his hips and track the football in the air. A Day 1 starter, T.J. is the FS we have been searching for since the days Woodson retired.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0403/com_120403_Gemmell_McDonald_120403.jpg

Round 2: Jonathan Cooper (6-3, 310) | C/G | North Carolina

Cooper looks like the real deal and should be in the mix for being one of the top interior lineman off the board. With experience at both Guard and Center, this athletic lineman should have no problem battling for a starting job early on in his career.


http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/640/XM/XMFVIQAXNSVBPKU.20120629204557.jpg

Round 3: Arthur Brown (6-1, 236) | LB | K-State

Following suit to how Jason Garrett and the FO have been drafting the past few seasons, Brown doesn't necessarily fill a "need" position but he's the definition of RKG and is one hell of a football player... so much so that I couldn't pass on him here even though we look good at ILB with Lee and Carter. Rob is the master of multiple fronts, and a LB with the athleticism and versatility of Brown would be used in a variety of roles.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0815/dm_120815_ncf_app_arthurbrown/dm_120815_ncf_app_arthurbrown.jpg

Round 4: Ray Graham (5-9, 195) | RB | Pittsburgh

Coming off a knee injury a season ago, this could be the pick where reward highly outweighs the risk. Graham is DYNAMIC with the football in his hands, and with Felix Jones probably hitting FA this off-season we could use another back to help shoulder the load for Murray. In the mold of former Pitt greats Tony Dorsett and Shady McCoy, Graham is a threat to score on any given play due to elite vision and acceleration.

http://www.pittsburghsportsreport.com/PSR/sites/default/files/_Graham17.jpg

cmd34
09-09-2012, 10:08 PM
I saw this mock over at Cowboys Zone. I obviously love the first pick. I'd hope that with Lee, Carter, Connor (under contract), and Lemon looking promising on the Practice Squad, we don't address ILB so high.

I like the Ray Graham pick as well.

Trogdor
09-10-2012, 03:14 PM
My thoughts on the VERY early process :)

1) T.J. McDonald, USC, S
Athletic, intelligent, versatile. Add in that he's a team captain and a RKG at a position of need and it makes this pick really easy. I think this will re-enforce Rob's preference of having dual-skillset safeties. I'm rooting for a pure centerfielding ball hawk but I don't see us moving in that direction sadly.

2) Travis Frederick, Wisconsin, OG/C
Tons of versatility (can play across the line) and has very good lateral movement for a man weighing 338. Gets to the second level and pulls with ease. With a very deep crop of interior lineman one of them is getting pushed. Would not be surprised to see Frederick stick around for one more year to put himself in a better position draft slot wise.

Other options would be Cooper (UNC),

3)Kawann Short, Purdue, DE/NT
Short has all the tools but hasn't put them together as of yet. I've seen plays where he is tripled and manages to push the pocket. Other plays he's singling against a Center and he is has zero push and looks lazy. If he had a relentless motor he'd be competing with Star but in the 3rd this is a smart place to take a chance on a potential 1st round talent. Envisioning him pushing Spears/Coleman off the roster next year.

4)Micah Hyde, Iowa, CB/S
Versatile. Team leader. Solid build with excellent hips. Immediately would push Butler for the 5th CB slot as well as provide additional depth at FS. In certain schemes (see deep-middle) I'd be comfortable asking him to play FS. Full-time I still see his position at CB. Seen his value placed all over the board with the majority seeing him as a 4th rounder so I stuck him here.

D-Unit
09-10-2012, 05:51 PM
I don't see Cooper making it out of Round 1, much less where we're picking in Round 2. (Yes, I'm feeling good about our season at the moment).

Same with Frederick. Kawann Short definitely won't be there in the 3rd.

Love the Graham talk!

With TJ, I want to see him step up this year.

Witten4HOF
09-11-2012, 10:55 AM
D you're a big USC fan right, do you see TJ as a legit center fielder? I think he is definetly a good prospect but more of a jack of all master of non kind of guy. I could see him as a nice fit at SS if the team decided to go that route instead of developing Church/Johnson.

D-Unit
09-17-2012, 08:14 PM
D you're a big USC fan right, do you see TJ as a legit center fielder? I think he is definetly a good prospect but more of a jack of all master of non kind of guy. I could see him as a nice fit at SS if the team decided to go that route instead of developing Church/Johnson.
I think he would be a certain upgrade for us, but I'm not in love with him and I don't think he is an elite free safety. That said, I like him a lot better than Barron and Barron went super high. So what the heck do I know. If we got him where I project us to be picking (2nd half of the round), then I would be very pleased with the pick.

If we're going Safety in Round 1, I don't think a SS makes sense. I would imagine drafting TJ means we're playing him at FS.

D-Unit
09-20-2012, 06:52 PM
2013 MOCK 3.0


Round 1. Chance Warmack, OG - Alabama - 6'3, 310

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Gallery/260757/6_260759.jpg

Ryan Cook has been doing a decent job for us 2 weeks into the season. Not ready to crown him yet, but it does lessen the desire for needing first round upgrade for now. For the record, Livings has been our best OL too. Hopefully, he can keep it up and we've got a keeper. Mack on the other hand, has been struggling, and I would love nothing more than a more dominant OL to control games. Warmack would be a huge step forward towards accomplishing that.


Round 2. Jake Matthews, RT - Texas A&M - 6'5, 305

http://insider.espn.go.com/photo/2012/0822/rn_i_jakematthews_ms_400.jpg

Truthfully, our 2 tackles have been playing the worst among all our OL. Smith took huge strides from Game 1 to Game 2 though and is still learning to play that side, so there's nothing to fear there. But the way Doug Free is playing is just as bad as last year if not worse. There ain't no way in hell that we should be giving him $7M+ next season. According to PFF, he's ranked as one of the worst Tackles in the game. Where is the guy we saw in 2010? Those days seem like a lifetime ago. Matthews is probably the most dominant RT in the country and would be ready to go from day 1. The savings from cutting Free can go towards a top player in FA.


Round 3. Shamarko Thomas, SS - Syracuse - 5'10, 252

http://kelvinkuo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/KKK_9794.jpg

If Mike Jenkins' play at Safety works out for us as hoped (praying it does), then our need at FS doesn't have to be as pressing as we once thought. There is good depth in this draft at that position that we can also take advantage of. One of my favorites in the entire class has become SS Shamarko Thomas. He stood out to me in the USC game and I had to do some further research. Needless to say, I like what I found so far. He's built like a tank and brings a fiery competitive demeanor to the field.

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Round 4. Levine Toilolo, TE - Stanford - 6'7, 265

http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/common/medialib/271/565676.jpg

Jason Witten is not as bad as he was in Week 2, but there's no doubt that his better days are behind him. John Phillips is a FA that I want back, and Hanna is a good depth guy, but we need to continue the search to improve our TE position. Toilolo's length is incredible and he's got the athleticism to boot.

cmd34
09-21-2012, 10:49 PM
Can't see Jerry going conservative and drafting OL in the first 2 rounds although I would love it and it's what we need.

Shamarko Thomas' athleticism jumped out at me in the USC game as well but his lack of plays in the previous 3 years alarms me. There are so many good looking safeties in this draft , Reid, McDonald, Rambo, Jefferson, Vacarro, I hope we can come out with one of them.

I love, love, love your fourth round pick and hope like hell he's a Cowboy this time next year but IMO there's no way he falls to the 4th round.

dsc1600
09-23-2012, 01:32 PM
It's too early to tell, and he may still be playing hurt, but Witten isn't playing to his usual level. I'd say a 2nd rder on a TE may for once be justified.

Macarthur
09-24-2012, 11:06 AM
I like those picks, D.

D-Unit
09-25-2012, 04:19 PM
I like those picks, D.
Thanks Mac! I plan on doing a mock every week of the regular season. For one, it's damn fun. Two, things are constantly changing. Last week, I totally thought Jenkins was going to be playing Safety, but the Cowboys surprised us with Carr!!! This week all the talk is of him playing BOTH CB and S and his willingness to learn more about playing S just to help the team.

I think we might be modeling the new look NFL secondary of the future. A 4 CB secondary with no traditional Safeties.

LonghornsLegend
09-26-2012, 07:36 AM
D now that you've got me sucked in you can't make anymore mocks without Ray Graham mmm k? Though Warmack and Mathews in the first 2 rounds I'd really like..


I want to draft a G/C hybrid, and then we need to take best RT available in FA or draft one in the first 2 rounds. I'd be fine with every other position as is if we could address those 2 spots with premium players.

D-Unit
09-26-2012, 12:42 PM
D now that you've got me sucked in you can't make anymore mocks without Ray Graham mmm k? Though Warmack and Mathews in the first 2 rounds I'd really like..


I want to draft a G/C hybrid, and then we need to take best RT available in FA or draft one in the first 2 rounds. I'd be fine with every other position as is if we could address those 2 spots with premium players.
Haha Ray Graham is a stud, right? Part of the fun of doing these is also to introduce other players that I like, or do different scenarios, so I'm trying not to do too much duplication this early in the season.

D-Unit
09-27-2012, 08:38 PM
2013 MOCK 4.0


Round 1. Kenny Vaccaro, S - Texas - 6'1, 218

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/922/631/6_631922.jpg

It was great to see the willingness of Carr to play S and have success there, but I don't see that as a long term solution. He'll continue to learn the role for the sake of our needs this season, but I honestly don't think that's a permanent role for him. It's doubtful that Jenkins wants to be here after this season. If he is, great, but even with him, we're still scouring the wire for scrap FAs to fill our S needs now, so things probably won't change come draft time. Let's not forget Sensy is on a one year deal either. Vaccaro is a guy who warrants this value, but I still need to learn more about him. You Longhorns fans could probably fill me in. I don't have a man crush here, but maybe I should?


Round 2. Dallas Thomas, OT/OG - Tennessee - 6'4, 320

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/717/hires130218262cropexact.jpg

His name is so fitting isn't it? Dallas Thomas currently plays LG for the Vols, but he made the shift from LT in order for the Vols to fit their best 5 on the field. In draftnik circles, he's still considered a legit top prospect at Tackle. For us, hell... we need help at BOTH OG and OT, so there's no need to be real picky where he plays... let's see what he likes best, and where he plays his best and plug him there. He's another athletic freak in the mold of Tyron Smith athletically... and the more we get of those, the better, imo.


Round 3. Levine Toilolo, TE - Stanford - 6'7, 265

http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/common/medialib/271/565676.jpg

Moved him up a round from last week. Hopefully, that's more acceptable for cmd. lol. Just kidding.... reality is, TE is becoming more and more of a concern. Another week, another blasted performance by Witten. Don't know what's going on in his head. Is he harboring fears of his spleen injury? Something is not right with him. Regardless, the signs are out there. We need to start looking. Phillips and Hanna are nice backups. Asking more is too much.


Round 4. Ace Sanders, WR - South Carolina - 5'8, 178

WHATCHU KNOW BOUT DIS MOTH???

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Sanders is an electrifying kick returner! His punt return on Saturday knocked my socks off. But that wasn't all I saw... dude can actually play WR too. With the increasing use and importance of slot WRs in the NFL, I think Sanders can find his niche on the next level playing that role given the right opportunity. His ability to cut on a dime is elite level.

Might bring back flashes of this guy!

http://img.beckett.com/images/items_stock/185224/1998606/1998687/front.jpg

cmd34
09-27-2012, 11:30 PM
Rounds 1 through 3 would have me dancing. Don't know much about Ace Sanders yet.

chrlopez1
09-30-2012, 02:40 AM
I like:

OL BARRETT JONES
S REID
S MC DONALD
OL WARMACK
DE JACKSON JEFFCOAT
DT JOHN JENKINS

Trogdor
10-04-2012, 11:30 AM
Going with the most common rating on power rankings (15th best team in the league) meaning we'll be drafting 17th. With that in mind......

2013 NFL Mock Draft (Projected 17th pick in the draft):

1) T.J. McDonald, S, USC

http://media.syracuse.com/axeman/photo/10006159-large.jpg

The injuries at safety shed a ton of light on how awful our backups are at the position. McDonald not only fits the "versatile" mold in which Ryan likes to run with (interchangeable safeties) as well as possessing elite physical tools. He is NOT Taylor Mays. Again he is not Taylor Mays. He is excellent in coverage, both zone and man-to-man, and has the ability to diagnose a play developing underneath and tackle well. Only reason he's available at 17th is the fantastic depth of safeties in this year's draft.

Don't rule out: Kenny Vaccaro, S, UT


2) Ricky Wagner, OT, Wisconsin

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ricky+Wagner+L1CUsdX2gxHm.jpg

High school TE converted to OT and is an extremely intelligent player. He certainly fits of the mold of Wisconsin lineman (athletic, powerful, blue collar). Excellent pass blocker and an improving run blocker (his footwork is still sloppy) and has a very high ceiling as a prospect.

Don't rule out: Oday Aboushi, OT, UVA

3) Omoregie Uzzi, OG, Georgia Tech

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oQPm6ryPEz4/S5kLsy1R5aI/AAAAAAAABDs/rvew8OSy8EI/s400/uzzi.jpg

Powerful and proficient run blocker. Has that nasty touch you want in an interior lineman and a powerful punch. His pass protection will of course need work coming from GT but he is a solid knee bender and should have no problems anchoring.


4) Mario Benavides, C, Louisville

http://louisvillesportslive.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Mario-Benavides.jpg

Smart. Experienced. He has played against a TON of different defensive fronts (3-3-5, 3-4, 4-3, aggressive 4-3) and great quickness of the snap. Has the ability to get to the second level and attack linebackers in the running game. Interior offensive line is another set of positions I think that has fantastic depth allowing prospects to slip a bit further than they would in a weaker year.

D-Unit
10-04-2012, 04:07 PM
Nice mock Trog! Spot on point with TJ being able to play either Safety spot. I'm not the biggest fan of Wagner, but the need is there and the value matches up nicely. Uzzi was in one of my mocks last year and thule ripped the pick because he plays in Paul Johnson's offense... but I like his skills too! I dunno anything about that Mario Benavides guy. Cool mention.

Witten4HOF
10-05-2012, 09:11 AM
1) Jon Cooper 6'3 320, G/C North Carolina- Battle tested guard with some potential to kick inside to center if need be. Not an elite athlete but is smooth and plays with an edge. Frederick would be a nice fit if he declares as would Warmack if he slides down into our range. Interior line needs to be a priority and must be addressed in the first two rounds.

2) Margus Hunt 6'7 280, DE SMU Physical Freak in the mold of Julius Peppers / Mario Williams. Expected to run in the 4.6's which is astounding considering his size, has frame to easily pack on 15-20 lbs of good weight. Has some technique flaws and doesn't always dominate the way he should and that is why is is available in the late second round.

3)Brandon Jenkins 6'3 260, OLB Florida St I have a good feeling that Jenkins will opt out of a medical redshirt and declare for the draft. His injury happened early enough in the season that he has plenty of time to rehab before making his decision. With the success of drafting Sean Lee and Bruce Carter off of injuries the team should have no problem going this route again. Spencer is eligible for another franchise season and Wilber will have a season under his belt to hold down the position year one.

4)DJ Fluker 6'6 335, OT/OG Alabama Overrated to an extent due to the talent around him (Warmack/ Jones), doesn't have the athleticism to play LT and if he doesn't keep his weight in check he may be relegated to guard at the next level. That being said he has the size/strength the engulf defenders in the run game and has decent lateral movement for his size.50/50 player could be dominant or be a conditioning night mare.

5)Kejon Barner 5'9 185, RB Oregon Third down back / Return specialist with the ability to hit the homerun. Undersized but has excellent speed in the open field and has good hands out of the backfield.

6) Mark Harrison 6'3 230, Rutgers Big target with natural hands, can pluck the pull out of the air and make plays in traffic. Team captain who is experienced and savy with his routes. Time Speed is sub par and inconsistent QB play through out career has hurt him in the stats dept.

7) Jordan Rodgers 6'1 213, Vanderbilt Younger brother of Aaron, shares a lot of the same qualities. Is mobile and can make plays on the move, is not as accurate as his brother and is on the short side for a QB. Good developmental prospect who can become a solid player.

Side note, I did not put a safety in the draft because I feel the team likes Church and McCray has shown signs that he can be a solid fill in when needed. Also, Matt Johnson has the ability to play free safety and strong safety if he gets healthy.

Also, 5tech may seem like a luxary but consider Coleman is a FA after this season, Hatcher has one year left on his deal and will be looking for a pay day. Sean Lissemore's extension does not lock him into a starting role and I think he is just as valueable rotating positions to create matchups. Crawford is still developing and has a very managable contract, Spears will be the highest paid end on the roster avg 3 mil a year. As much as I like Crawford/Lissemore and the relit fire from Spears there still isn't an elite player at the position.

NT is a position that I'd love to address but Josh Brent has earned the confidence of the coaches going foward. Ratliff still has a little left in the tank and will get his opportunities especially in pass rush situations.

antwanboldin
10-08-2012, 12:17 AM
I'll trade witten and picks to get Boki Mingo. We need another dynamite rusher to go after Eli, rg3, and cousins for the next 5 years

TheFinisher
10-11-2012, 09:28 PM
I'm feelin' the Warmack love in here, we need more lineman who can win in a phonebooth... tired of seeing our OL get dominated at the POA. Warmack's not the greatest athlete in space but at this point I don't really care, I just want to see some damn movement up front. Plug him in next to Tyron and let him maul DTs for the next decade. He'll bring some much needed nasty with him too.

antwanboldin
10-12-2012, 06:34 PM
Actually they gave sensy a 5 year extension.

I don't believe in taking safeties in R1 unless they're elite. We've got enough invested in the secondary, they're on their own so to speak


2013 MOCK 4.0


Round 1. Kenny Vaccaro, S - Texas - 6'1, 218

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/922/631/6_631922.jpg

It was great to see the willingness of Carr to play S and have success there, but I don't see that as a long term solution. He'll continue to learn the role for the sake of our needs this season, but I honestly don't think that's a permanent role for him. It's doubtful that Jenkins wants to be here after this season. If he is, great, but even with him, we're still scouring the wire for scrap FAs to fill our S needs now, so things probably won't change come draft time. Let's not forget Sensy is on a one year deal either. Vaccaro is a guy who warrants this value, but I still need to learn more about him. You Longhorns fans could probably fill me in. I don't have a man crush here, but maybe I should?


Round 2. Dallas Thomas, OT/OG - Tennessee - 6'4, 320

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/717/hires130218262cropexact.jpg

His name is so fitting isn't it? Dallas Thomas currently plays LG for the Vols, but he made the shift from LT in order for the Vols to fit their best 5 on the field. In draftnik circles, he's still considered a legit top prospect at Tackle. For us, hell... we need help at BOTH OG and OT, so there's no need to be real picky where he plays... let's see what he likes best, and where he plays his best and plug him there. He's another athletic freak in the mold of Tyron Smith athletically... and the more we get of those, the better, imo.


Round 3. Levine Toilolo, TE - Stanford - 6'7, 265

http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/common/medialib/271/565676.jpg

Moved him up a round from last week. Hopefully, that's more acceptable for cmd. lol. Just kidding.... reality is, TE is becoming more and more of a concern. Another week, another blasted performance by Witten. Don't know what's going on in his head. Is he harboring fears of his spleen injury? Something is not right with him. Regardless, the signs are out there. We need to start looking. Phillips and Hanna are nice backups. Asking more is too much.


Round 4. Ace Sanders, WR - South Carolina - 5'8, 178

WHATCHU KNOW BOUT DIS MOTH???

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Sanders is an electrifying kick returner! His punt return on Saturday knocked my socks off. But that wasn't all I saw... dude can actually play WR too. With the increasing use and importance of slot WRs in the NFL, I think Sanders can find his niche on the next level playing that role given the right opportunity. His ability to cut on a dime is elite level.

Might bring back flashes of this guy!

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Brothgar
10-13-2012, 01:19 AM
Is it completely crazy to think that IF the Cowboys get a top 12 pick that they may let Romo go in free agency and draft Tyler Wilson? I mean at that point Garrett is gone, Jerry is a huge Arkansas homer (see Felix Jones pick) and would be the big time splash that Jones loves to make.

antwanboldin
10-13-2012, 01:58 AM
Yes.

Let a top qb walk And burn a big asset on a question mark at qb

Why not keep the qb and use the asset on an already existing weakness

Brothgar
10-13-2012, 02:07 AM
Yes.

Let a top qb walk And burn a big asset on a question mark at qb

Why not keep the qb and use the asset on an already existing weakness

It just seems off that they haven't signed him long term yet. I know it is very unlikely but I have a weird feeling about it.

D-Unit
10-13-2012, 03:34 AM
It just seems off that they haven't signed him long term yet. I know it is very unlikely but I have a weird feeling about it.
Jerry loves Romo... and he loves Garrett. Your weird feeling is completely off.

MetSox17
10-13-2012, 04:28 AM
That's not happening. Jerry is an idiot, and an Arkansas fan boy, but he isn't THAT stupid.

thule
10-17-2012, 10:07 AM
Jerry has drafted one guy from Arkansas in his 15 years as a gm....and now he is an arkansas homer? Please do a little research before you come in here saying things that aren't true.

That said I also have a weird feeling. While Romo is a quality QB in the NFL I can't help but think Garrett might want a more prototypical QB for his offense. When Romo is in rhythm you see it on the field throwing dimes all over. But it's when things turn chaotic that he's at his best. Thats not what our offense is built around. Hit your steps...make your reads and get rid of the football. I don't for one second think that Tony Romo is a bad QB or that he can't win big games in the NFL. But that said another top 15 pick and a top QB that drops might have the front office looking for me consistancy out of the QB position. Not highly likely...but it is worth discussing and following some of the top QB's the college season just in case.

D-Unit
10-18-2012, 01:47 PM
October 2013 Forum Mock Results


Round 1. Eric Reid, FS - LSU - 6'2, 212

http://media.mlive.com/lions_impact/photo/11676836-large.jpg

With the 14th pick, I selected Eric Reid. There was no other player that I thought could put us over the top like Reid. Our pass defense is good, but generating Turnovers isn't. Reid is a playmaker who should help in that department.



Round 2. Dallas Thomas, OT/OG - Tennessee - 6'4, 320

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/717/hires130218262cropexact.jpg

Was hoping for Jake Matthews, but Dallas Thomas was my next target. The benefit about him is ability to play LT, RT, LG, or RG so needless to say, I wasn't that disheartened. We need to dump Free. Thomas would start out at RT. I think he and Tyron would make excellent athletic bookends for our OL.



Round 3. Jesse Williams, NT - Alabama - 6'3, 320

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2012/writers/andy_staples/01/05/lsu-alabama-aussies-rule/jesse-williams-p1.jpg

The heart of the Alabama defense, Williams is the reason why Bama's defense holds things together so well. He's a no nonsense, hard working cog in the middle of the trenches who flashes athleticism to play DE in our scheme too. Here's hoping Ratliff could start to spend more time attacking the QB from the DE position where we need to generate more pass rush.



Round 3 (Mike Jenkins trade). Andre Ellington, RB - Clemson - 5'9, 195

http://www.wltx.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/images/120901105240_andre-ellington.jpg

I traded Mike Jenkins to Detroit for their 3rd rounder and ended up selecting Andre Ellington. With Felix facing FA, I was thrilled to land Ellington here. I think he's the top RB in this Senior class and he is an exciting game breaker who would compliment Murray greatly.



Round 4. John Simon, DE/OLB - Ohio State - 6'2, 260

http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/John-Simon.jpg

Urban Meyer talks about this kid like he wishes he would marry his daughter. Simon is a relentless beast who gives his all on every play and plays it like it's his last. He exemplifies the type of blue collar worker that this team needs. I feel like the additions of Jesse Williams and John Simon start to give this team an identity of being more HARD NOSED AND TOUGH instead of the finesse label that we often get. Simon could play ILB in a pinch too.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/554128_10151185053769799_2018052688_n.jpg

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Akron+v+Ohio+State+zfS3LAGh_dvl.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0501/com_120501_schlabach_simon_120502.jpg


Thoughts on this draft?

LonghornsLegend
10-18-2012, 02:47 PM
I love Reid, so so much. I would also like more interior lineman in the draft then just one. Even if we get a guy in FA we probably need a couple.

Macarthur
10-18-2012, 02:51 PM
I like it a lot. I think that kid from Bama is going to be a beast. He is exactly what we need in the middle.

Witten4HOF
10-18-2012, 02:58 PM
1) I like the Reid pick, not in love with him or any of the safeties in this years class but he certainly has talent. I don't mind Sensy at SS and this would allow Chruch to move back to a key sub package and impact special teamer.

2) I agree that Mathews would be amazing in the second round if he was available. Dallas Clark has some very nice athletic tools but is a little to finesse considering his size, definitely someone that can be molded into a solid RT. Added versatility to kick inside if need be.

3) We always project a NT in the first couple of rounds and never get one. Brent has shown he is a capable run stopper and Williams doesn't provide anything that Josh doesn't already have. If the team decides to shift Rat outside I'd expect them to bring in a veteran or draft a developmental guy later because Jay or Lisse can kick inside on third downs.

3b) Love the pick.

4) Simon makes complete sense from a intangibles stand point and position need. He is not a great athlete and he is a bit of a tweener but is as blue chip as you can get. Butler is a free agent that could get his walking papers and there is no guarantee what will happen with Spencer. Simon is a poor mans Lamarr Woodley imo, has some serious strength for his size and has a non stop motor. He can be an impact sub against the run and can contribute on special teams right away.

D-Unit
10-18-2012, 04:32 PM
I love Reid, so so much. I would also like more interior lineman in the draft then just one. Even if we get a guy in FA we probably need a couple.
My thinking was indeed going to FA for more OL help. I just didn't want an influx of too much youth. Especially since the draft isn't very strong in OG/C once you get to our pick in Round 3.

Andy Levitre is the FA I would've gone after. I did try to trade for him and Urbik but it didn't work out.

cmd34
10-18-2012, 09:55 PM
I don't know if Simon has a position in a 3-4. I don't feel he can stand up and back pedal to cover anyone.

Eric Reid and Jesse Williams are both in my top 10 favorite players in this next draft.

D-Unit
10-18-2012, 10:02 PM
I don't know if Simon has a position in a 3-4. I don't feel he can stand up and back pedal to cover anyone.

Eric Reid and Jesse Williams are both in my top 10 favorite players in this next draft.
It's not a neccessity. I think he could be like the way we viewed Donta Hightower this year... could play him at ILB, OLB or DE in the 3-4. If you minimize his use to avoid dropping him back in coverage then you're ok. His intangibles are off the charts. This is the kind of football player you want because he plays beyond what his measurables tell you. It was a 4th rounder and I tried to match value. If you improve depth and he makes the 53 man roster, we really can't complain about the use of the pick.

Thanks for the comment!

cmd34
10-19-2012, 01:52 PM
It's not a neccessity. I think he could be like the way we viewed Donta Hightower this year... could play him at ILB, OLB or DE in the 3-4. If you minimize his use to avoid dropping him back in coverage then you're ok. His intangibles are off the charts. This is the kind of football player you want because he plays beyond what his measurables tell you. It was a 4th rounder and I tried to match value. If you improve depth and he makes the 53 man roster, we really can't complain about the use of the pick.

Thanks for the comment!

Getting value in the 4th round is not anything this franchise is interested in recently.

Sincerely, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, David Arkin, and Matt "Sissy" Johnson

D-Unit
10-31-2012, 09:03 PM
Dallas Mock 5.0

Happy Halloween! - Bonus 5th Round selection


Round 1 (TRADE DOWN - From Pick (11-15) to Pick (21-28)).
Jake Matthews - Texas A&M - 6'5, 305

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/slideshow/2012/10/twelve-sec-ballers-named-to-nfl-com-s-top-20-college-football-players-nationally/full/jake-matthews-texas-AM-SEC-2012-570x367.jpg

Unless we're grabbing a QB that's fallen in the draft or reaching on an OG like Warmack, there isn't a lot for us to like here. This is considering the fact that we just gave Barry Church an extension this week and likely expect him to start next year, so Safety could easily be put off here in Round 1.

I love Matthews. He's so sound, steady and beautifully skilled. His father Bruce definitely raised a gem. A&M's match up with LSU was pretty telling. Mingo was completely shutdown against Matthews...frustrated so much, Mingo's speed was a complete non-factor and in fact he was called for 3 offsides penalties. Matthews shut him down all day. This is the kind of upgrade we need at RT. Mingo did have a sack but he didn't go up against Matthews on the play. I'd gladly take the best RT in college ball and replace Free who is expected to cost $11M on the book next year if we keep him. ...we're not that dumb are we? *knock on wood*



Round 2. Travis Frederick - C/OG - Wisconsin - 6'4, 338

http://media.gazettextra.com/img/photos/2009/08/17/Frederick1_t700.jpg

Frederick is Wisconsin's burly man in the middle having an outstanding Junior campaign this year. He's another guy who would be perfect for us because he could play Center or Guard in the NFL. Last year he played LG while Konz played C, but this year he's at C. His coaches love him, his teachers love him..

“He’s really a self-made man,” Wedig said. “He went from his freshman year to his sophomore year and was one of the strongest kids on the team. He was in the weight room all the time and was just so driven.”

“He’s one of the most coachable kids I’ve had,” Wedig said. “But at the same time even as a sophomore, if he saw something, he’d say ‘Hey coach, do you think we could do it this way’? He’s always been one of those kids where if it’s in class, or on the football field he sees things. He’s bright and he’s a big guy, and that’s a great combination.”

Along with his prowess on the field, he was just as impressive off it.

“Travis is one of those guys that every teacher knew and every teacher loved in the classroom,” Wedig said. “He just happened to be a big guy that could play football.”

He is currently carrying a double major of Computer engineering and computer science, and is set to graduate in May with one degree, while being just seven credits shy of the other.
http://www.beloitdailynews.com/sports/former-big-foot-star-frederick-shows-maturity-in-face-of/article_830c3042-236f-11e2-95e1-0019bb2963f4.html



Round 2. (Acquired from 1st Rnd Trade Down - Late 2nd Round pick)).
EJ Manuel - QB - Florida State - 6'4, 240

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/EJ+Manuel+Clemson+v+Florida+State+-wkD4-s28dUl.jpg

I was not always a fan of Manuel, but he has made tremendous steps in his 4 years at FSU. Especially this year. He always had great size, posed a threat as a runner, and was always tough to take down. Gotta love a QB who can take a hit and bounce right back up. Manuel has shown awesome improvement as a passer. His deep ball is especially pretty. He's not among the elite QB prospects in this draft class, but he doesn't have crazy good WRs to throw to either like Geno Smith and Matt Barkley have. I think with the time he'll have to learn sitting behind Romo and Orton, that he could be special. We're not talking 3 years and nothing to show for it like we have in Stephen McGee. I think Manuel is the type of QB prospect that could give us the kind of new age threat that Washington has in RG3. Admittingly, this is a little bit of hit or miss, but I gotta say, I like the potential.



Round 3. Zach Ertz - TE - Stanford - 6'6, 252

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/15/15/30/3462695/3/628x471.jpg

When Garrett talks about getting "the right kind of guy" Zach Ertz is exactly that. Witten still has "it", but behind them we really don't have a dynamic threat. We got able bodies, but Ertz has the stuff to be the real heir to Witten.



Round 4. Shamarko Thomas - SS - Syracuse - 5'10, 210

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Shamarko+Thomas+Syracuse+v+USC+4FSITggfqYql.jpg

I've mentioned him before, but I had to add him again. My favorite sleeper safety prospect. Love him so much that if we don't take a Safety in Round 1, then I wouldn't want another unless it was him. His closing speed is awesome and he's a punisher. I love players who swarm to the ball and Shamarko is that kind of guy. You put him on a defense and he's flying all over the place. 2 weeks ago he had four tackles, a forced fumble and a 27-yard interception return in a 40-10 win against Connecticut. Bad ass.



Round 5. Rex Burkhead, RB - Nebraska - 5'11, 210

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Rex+Burkhead+Iowa+v+Nebraska+JxoyE5WOPF4l.jpg

The Cowboys have to turn this F'n corner...LIKE....NOW! Less talkin', more doing. Less hype, more substance. No more excuses already! This offense needs to change their identity. Burkhead shits-nails! This f'n hard ass ain't about the glam. He's about working his ass off and taking no prisoners on the field. None of this, one hit go down **** that Felix The Vag is constantly doing. Throw this bad boy in the mix with Murray and we're gonna ram it down throats!

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...and seriously, how can we not love a guy who wears stuff like this?

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FreshBoy!
11-01-2012, 10:17 AM
It just seems off that they haven't signed him long term yet. I know it is very unlikely but I have a weird feeling about it.

I'd trade Romo for a couple picks right now personally...

But there's nothing weird about it, Romo cut off talks right before the season started as to concentrate on the season. Doubt we see a deal until the offseason.

Trogdor
11-01-2012, 10:20 AM
Love the mock aside from taking a QB in the late second. I have a feeling we'll be revisiting the mid-late round QB development again. Swap him for someone like Brandon Jenkins if he can't show off prior to the draft and then take a development prospect in the 5th.

I have my eye on Brad Sorensen out of Southern Utah (former BYU transfer). He's EXTREMELY raw but elite potential and a crazy strong arm.

Sorensen has phenomenal throw power, probably the best throw power of any quarterback in this year’s draft class. There was one play against Northern Arizona that really stood out from a throw power stand point. In the first drive of the game, on 3rd and at least 20, Sorensen dropped back to pass, ducked right under a potential sack from a defensive end, scrambled forward to evade the pressure, and, at the last second, hurled the ball to a receiver deep down field. The throw sailed 53 yards. It may not sound all too impressive, but his FEET WEREN’T SET when he made the throw. There is no quarterback in this draft class who can hurl the football 53 yards while throwing on the run. The pass wasn’t caught (hit his receivers fingertips but he couldn’t reel it in), but it was still quite impressive. Sorensen also puts excellent zip on his passes, and he makes sure to have a nice touch on his deep ball. Sorensen has a cannon for an arm and is really the only gunslinger in this draft class.

jORMM1DxVPs

D-Unit
11-01-2012, 01:58 PM
Love the mock aside from taking a QB in the late second. I have a feeling we'll be revisiting the mid-late round QB development again. Swap him for someone like Brandon Jenkins if he can't show off prior to the draft and then take a development prospect in the 5th.

I have my eye on Brad Sorensen out of Southern Utah (former BYU transfer). He's EXTREMELY raw but elite potential and a crazy strong arm.

jORMM1DxVPs
I'm not really in love with the idea of a mid-round QB talent. I want someone of better quality than that. If it's not a 1st or 2nd round guy then it's less to get excited about. But there is one guy I like...

If we do go mid-rounds, I like Miami (Ohio)'s Zac Dysert.

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TheFinisher
11-08-2012, 09:09 AM
1. Jake Matthews | OT | Texas A&M
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/wp-content/slideshow/2012/10/pittsburgh-steelers-7-round-2013-nfl-mock-draft/medium/2-Jake-Matthews-Brett-Davis.jpg

Doug Free has been a major disappointment since getting paid and it's time to move on. Spending another 1st Rounder on a Tackle not only helps protect Romo for his last few seasons in Dallas, but it will help protect our QBOTF down the line whenever we make the switch. Matthews is an extremely polished college Tackle with fantastic bloodlines who will bring some nasty with him in the run game.

2. Matt Elam | S | Florida
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/19/ef/19effb22b05f4aabbe6fe0de4e4a428b.jpg

This a deep safety class at the top which is why I feel a little better about passing on one of the top guys in round 1. Elam plays with reckless abandon and strikes me as having the type of attitude Rob covets for his unit. He wants to take your head off, is instinctive and versatile, and should excel in a multiple defense like Rob's.

3. Gabe Jackson | G | Mississippi St.
http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0724/com_120724_clow_gjackson_120725/com_120724_clow_gjackson_120725.jpg

Mack has been a disaster at RG and while Livings has been solid, he came to us on the wrong side of 30 so you have to wonder when the decline will hit. Big Gabe Jackson is a classic mauler in the trenches and a team Captain, something we know Garrett has looked for in his recent drafts.

4. Knile Davis | RB | Arkansas
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/campus-rivalry/2012/08/17/davisx-large.jpg

I know many have been scared off by Davis and his durability issues, but I'd be willing to roll the dice at this point because he's the most talented runner in the class and we need someone else to help share carries to keep Demarco healthy.

D-Unit
11-08-2012, 01:39 PM
I would be more than stoked with those first 3 picks! I'm with you on Matthews. Right now he's the diamond in my eye. For one, Tackles are super duper expensive in FA and there are hardly any good ones that ever reach FA. Second, I think we need a bookend opposite of Smith who is young just like him and we can build some long term cohesiveness on that line. Love your point about building a line not just for Romo but also the QBOTF. That's exactly right! With two young talented bookends for the next decade, we will be set. ...Oh and yea... Free is a complete bum too.

CowboysBeastMode
11-08-2012, 01:46 PM
1. Jake Matthews | OT | Texas A&M
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/wp-content/slideshow/2012/10/pittsburgh-steelers-7-round-2013-nfl-mock-draft/medium/2-Jake-Matthews-Brett-Davis.jpg

Doug Free has been a major disappointment since getting paid and it's time to move on. Spending another 1st Rounder on a Tackle not only helps protect Romo for his last few seasons in Dallas, but it will help protect our QBOTF down the line whenever we make the switch. Matthews is an extremely polished college Tackle with fantastic bloodlines who will bring some nasty with him in the run game.

2. Matt Elam | S | Florida
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/19/ef/19effb22b05f4aabbe6fe0de4e4a428b.jpg

This a deep safety class at the top which is why I feel a little better about passing on one of the top guys in round 1. Elam plays with reckless abandon and strikes me as having the type of attitude Rob covets for his unit. He wants to take your head off, is instinctive and versatile, and should excel in a multiple defense like Rob's.

3. Gabe Jackson | G | Mississippi St.
http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0724/com_120724_clow_gjackson_120725/com_120724_clow_gjackson_120725.jpg

Mack has been a disaster at RG and while Livings has been solid, he came to us on the wrong side of 30 so you have to wonder when the decline will hit. Big Gabe Jackson is a classic mauler in the trenches and a team Captain, something we know Garrett has looked for in his recent drafts.

4. Knile Davis | RB | Arkansas
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/campus-rivalry/2012/08/17/davisx-large.jpg

I know many have been scared off by Davis and his durability issues, but I'd be willing to roll the dice at this point because he's the most talented runner in the class and we need someone else to help share carries to keep Demarco healthy.i like that draft, not sure if elam will last past the top 40 picks tho

Macarthur
11-13-2012, 02:16 PM
How about this draft:

1st - Vaccaro, S

2nd - Aboushi, OT

3rd - Fauria, TE

4th - Steinkuhler, DE

5th - P. Lewis, C

Macarthur
11-13-2012, 02:17 PM
I also agree on Knile; he is one of those high risk, high reward type of guys.

LonghornsLegend
11-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Is it completely crazy to think that IF the Cowboys get a top 12 pick that they may let Romo go in free agency and draft Tyler Wilson? I mean at that point Garrett is gone, Jerry is a huge Arkansas homer (see Felix Jones pick) and would be the big time splash that Jones loves to make.

So drafting 1 Arkansas player makes Jerry a huge Arkansas homer? Could you name me all the other Arkansas players he has drafted since being a GM? Why didn't we take Ryan Mallett?

LonghornsLegend
11-13-2012, 04:09 PM
I've missed a lot of these recent mocks but gotta love the Mathews pick thus far. Would hate to miss out on Reid, but Mathews is far more important. Bloodlines like that you don't expect to fail, kinda like with Chris Long, no matter what you felt it was hard to envision him being a crappy player.

D-Unit
11-16-2012, 02:53 PM
Dallas Mock 6.0 - Week 11 - Record: 4-5


Round 1. Jake Matthews - RT - Texas A&M - 6'5, 305

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/slideshow/2012/10/twelve-sec-ballers-named-to-nfl-com-s-top-20-college-football-players-nationally/full/jake-matthews-texas-AM-SEC-2012-570x367.jpg

Texas A&M just pulled off a huge upset by taking down #1 ranked Alabama IN Alabama. Let's hope that performance by Matthews just signed, sealed and delivered his ticket to Dallas. Damn he was not just good, he was dominant. He's shown all I needed to see. He's been tested against LSU's speed and Alabama's power and dominated both. This son of the legendary Bruce Matthews needs to find a way to get that star on his helmet.



Round 2. Tony Jefferson - S - Oklahoma - 5'11, 212

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CGxKSZs2xUM/0.jpg

Tony Jefferson is exactly what this secondary needs... An intimidator! Jefferson is one of the hardest hitters in college football. Rob Ryan would absolutely love this guy. He's versatile enough to play either S spot. He's built like a tank and swarms to the ball... currently leading his team in tackles and has a way of coming up with big plays when his team needs it. He's stepped into a big leadership role and appears to be thriving.



Round 3. Braxston Cave - C - Notre Dame - 6'3, 305

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1285674986/Cave001.jpeg.jpeg

Notre Dame has re-established themselves in 2012 behind a tough defense and a strong running game. That running game is fierce and even when defenses know they will run, ND is still able to have much success. The anchor of that OL is 5th year Senior, Braxston Cave who is steadily watching his stock improve this season. He's a strong ass mother ****** who has a lot of attributes I like to see from the C position.



Round 4. Johnathan Franklin - RB - Syracuse - 5'10, 198

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/jonathan_franklin_2010_12_04.jpg

We've had pretty good success drafting RBs in the mid rounds. Murray and MB3 come to mind. Franklin is flying under the radar, despite having a tremendous season and career. He just became the all time rushing leader at UCLA, which is pretty impressive. He does it with excellent vision, speed and a strong second effort to avoid going down easily. He's a legitimate talent and that's something we need when Murray goes down again... and he will. Especially the way Garrett does not like time shares. Watch him have a great game against USC this weekend.

D-Unit
11-17-2012, 03:11 PM
Johnathan Franklin is tearing it up today. Wow. Gimme. Gimmeeee!

pocketaces
11-17-2012, 03:41 PM
Johnathan Franklin is tearing it up today. Wow. Gimme. Gimmeeee!

You have him listed as Syracuse's RB

D-Unit
11-17-2012, 03:51 PM
You have him listed as Syracuse's RB
Haha. Forgot to edit it. I usually just edit my old posts. That was my Shamarko Thomas pick in the 4th. lol.

TheFinisher
11-17-2012, 06:33 PM
Johnathan Franklin is tearing it up today. Wow. Gimme. Gimmeeee!

He's running his way past the 4th Round lol. If he declares he could challenge for that #1 RB spot, no one has really solidified themselves yet and there's not a can't miss guy like Richardson.

TheFinisher
11-20-2012, 08:26 AM
1. Jonathan Cooper | G | UNC

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/acc/sports/m-footbl/auto_widephoto/8181107.jpeg



Elite athlete for the position, Cooper has the best knee bend, balance and footwork I've seen from a Guard in the past few seasons. It's a thing of beauty watching him on the move locking onto targets in space. He's the Tyron Smith of interior lineman. While I'd love for one of those A&M Tackles to fall to us, I'd be just as happy landing Cooper... one of the true Blue-chip O-Lineman in this class.



2. Tony Jefferson | S | Oklahoma

http://www.jimthorpeassoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Tony-Jefferson-e1350413867610.jpg


There are some very good safety prospects in this draft, but with how Rob likes to use multiple looks I think an interchangable, versatile safety like Jefferson is the one we'll be zeroing in on. Jefferson uses his top-flight reaction skills to create splash plays week in and week out for the Oklahoma Defense.


3. Deandre Coleman | DE | California

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000XxgfT7yxNy8/s/750/750/GBSMJB092212022.jpg


Albeit quietly, Cal has a track record of producing quality NFL defensive lineman and Coleman is next up. A prototype 5-Technique at 6'5 309, he uses his long arms and powerful punch to keep blockers at bay. He's flying under the radar right now, but like Michael Brockers last year... lineman that big and that talented don't grow on trees. It's only a matter of time before you start hearing his name being used more frequently in draft circles.



4. Darius Slay | CB | Mississippi St.

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/640/QB/QBXJKXTRYQPIRHJ.20120902020014.jpg


While Jonathan Banks gets most of the attention for Mississippi's stellar secondary, Slay has been a steady compliment on the opposite side of the field. A highly touted JUCO transfer, Slay uses his 6-1 frame to bully receivers... and when QBs have tested him, he's made them pay with 5 INTs on the year.



5. Rajion Neal | RB | Tennessee

http://media.govolsxtra.com/media/img/photos/2012/10/30/786598_t607.JPG

6-SV00nWb30

Macarthur
11-20-2012, 09:34 AM
I like the neal pick.

boogeydown
11-23-2012, 01:28 AM
How i would draft assuming we draft around the 15th pick:

Trade down around pick 25 and get an extra 2nd rounder

1st round: S Matt Elam, Florida
We really need a playmaker in the secondary. I also like Tony Jefferson from Oklahoma.

2nd round: OT Dj Fluker, Alabama
Its time to get rid of Doug Free. Fluker is a tad overrated but still a mauler in the running game.

2nd round: C Khaled Holmes, USC
We must upgrade the center the position.

3rd round: Rb Kniles Davis, Arkansas
He has talent and would be a nice change of pace from DeMarco Murray.

4th round: WR Ryan Swope, Texas A&M
I think he would make a great number 3.

5th round: NT Mister Cobble, Kentucky
Hes a junior and may not come out but with Ratliff battling nagging injuries and getting older he would be great depth.

6th round: CB Corey Broomfield, Mississippi State
Depth at CB if Mike Jenkins leaves.

7th round: BPA

D-Unit
11-23-2012, 05:26 PM
That's pretty cool Finisher. I haven't followed some of those names you listed like Coleman, Slay and Neal.

Cooper is one of my favs. If Parnell works out, imagine how athletic we'd be if we added Cooper on our OL.

Witten4HOF
11-25-2012, 06:14 PM
1st RD Dion Jordan OLB, Oregon The scouting dept. track record means that we probably won't see an offensive lineman in the first round. If anything Jerry may attempt to trade down or out of the first round to maximize his options later in the draft. If the team stands pat I really like Jordan as an option to succeed Spencer, who might price himself out of Big D. A former prep tight end who is fluid and has experience dropping into coverage. He is still learning the position and will need some time to fill his body out but has good natural instincts to go with rare length for the position. He is a natural fit on the strong side as someone who can shadow tightends in coverage as he continues to refine his pass rush skills. At 6'6 his length alone will show dividends when his able to get his hands up and clog passing lanes.

2nd RD Barrett Jones C, Alabama Ultimately I don't see major additions to the o-line in free agency. I expect Tyron and Livings to stay put on the left side, while Free or Parnell will man RT. That leaves the Center and RG position in flux. Jones may not be elite is any specific area but his knowledge and versatility make his the RKG that JG covets. Barrett can come in and challenge immediately and push Costa/ Big Mac for a starting position say one. At 6'5 302 he has plenty of room to add 10-15 pounds of good weight to his frame to become more of an anchor.

3rd Rd Cobi Hamilton WR, Arkansas Miles is starting to fall apart, even when he was on the field this year it seemed like he was missing a gear. It is time to stop worrying about the slot and begin developing a future starter. Austin is more then capable of kicking inside in three wr sets while Hamilton grows into the position. Hamilton is a perfect fit for JG's system, at 6'3 210 he can go up and get the ball when matched in man coverage. He needs to smooth out his routes but comes from a pro system and should understand terminology and scheme faster then a WR transitioning from the spread.

4th RD Tyrann Mathieu CB/S, LSU Not a JG guy right? He has the right intangibles on the field, simply has an addiction to the Mary J. I think his talent/ draft value will cause Jerry to override Garrett and add a turnover machine for Rob to play with. He may not have a specified role but can sub in defensive packages and help on special teams right away.

to be continued....

CowboysBeastMode
11-26-2012, 02:22 AM
1st RD Dion Jordan OLB, Oregon The scouting dept. track record means that we probably won't see an offensive lineman in the first round. If anything Jerry may attempt to trade down or out of the first round to maximize his options later in the draft. If the team stands pat I really like Jordan as an option to succeed Spencer, who might price himself out of Big D. A former prep tight end who is fluid and has experience dropping into coverage. He is still learning the position and will need some time to fill his body out but has good natural instincts to go with rare length for the position. He is a natural fit on the strong side as someone who can shadow tightends in coverage as he continues to refine his pass rush skills. At 6'6 his length alone will show dividends when his able to get his hands up and clog passing lanes.

2nd RD Barrett Jones C, Alabama Ultimately I don't see major additions to the o-line in free agency. I expect Tyron and Livings to stay put on the left side, while Free or Parnell will man RT. That leaves the Center and RG position in flux. Jones may not be elite is any specific area but his knowledge and versatility make his the RKG that JG covets. Barrett can come in and challenge immediately and push Costa/ Big Mac for a starting position say one. At 6'5 302 he has plenty of room to add 10-15 pounds of good weight to his frame to become more of an anchor.

3rd Rd Cobi Hamilton WR, Arkansas Miles is starting to fall apart, even when he was on the field this year it seemed like he was missing a gear. It is time to stop worrying about the slot and begin developing a future starter. Austin is more then capable of kicking inside in three wr sets while Hamilton grows into the position. Hamilton is a perfect fit for JG's system, at 6'3 210 he can go up and get the ball when matched in man coverage. He needs to smooth out his routes but comes from a pro system and should understand terminology and scheme faster then a WR transitioning from the spread.

4th RD Tyrann Mathieu CB/S, LSU Not a JG guy right? He has the right intangibles on the field, simply has an addiction to the Mary J. I think his talent/ draft value will cause Jerry to override Garrett and add a turnover machine for Rob to play with. He may not have a specified role but can sub in defensive packages and help on special teams right away.

to be continued....substitute larry worford for barrett jones and thats a really good draft

Trogdor
11-26-2012, 06:14 AM
substitute larry worford for barrett jones and thats a really good draft

Eh, I don't really buy that one. Barrett Jones as positional flexibility which we have been shown to love. He's also much lighter on his feet and doesn't have the nagging weight issues to go with it.

I like Warford and he performed well against the likes of Richardson and Floyd but I don't like his fit.

The pick I don't see happening is Mathieu. I'm not even sure he gets drafted after his latest arrest. I'm not even sure the Bengals would risk drafting him let alone a HC who has made it a priority in every draft to go for team captains, community servants, etc. Mathieu is more likely to be incarcerated than on someone's 53 in September.

Trogdor
11-26-2012, 06:26 AM
Projecting in this scenario we continue to perform poorly and end up 6-10 and a top 10 pick. In this scenario we will be trading back to the 16-20 range and gaining an additional 2nd.

1) Jonathan Cooper, G, UNC
The trade down sees Reid, Warmock, and Matthews come off the board before our pick and the debate in the room is between Cooper, whom I regard as a higher potential prospect than Warmock, and Eric Fisher. The emergence, and continued development, of Jeremy Parnell allows Dallas to lock onto the phenomenal big man from UNC.

Tape versus VT. Shows ability to dominate in a phone booth, pull and effectively seal, and recognize stunts. Complete package here. Honestly would have to think hard between Warmock and him if he came down to it I might lean Cooper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4S5bcc0HQ0

2) Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
His athletic talents are undeniable. He plays with a reckless abandon that both makes you sit in awe but also shake your head at times. Ability to man up in the slot as well as play press and is an excellent blitzer. The underachieving Texas defense hides some of his skill-set and his ability to do a number of things will really shine in Rob's scheme.

Has the hands of a WR and can deliver the big hit. My favorite safety prospect in the draft this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScLY4PTo83I

2nd (From Trade): Margus Hunt, DL, SMU
Bit of a shock pick but potential returns on this pick would be off the charts. Athletic freak and able to play a variety of positions in our defense. This pick would complete the transition away from the "Marcus Spears" mold of our 3-4 DEs and into our recent history of Lissemore, Crawford, etc. Most likely this pick pushes the old vets off the roster and the injection of youth will be complete. Hunt could easily develop into a more devasting Justin Smith in our defense. *Note* Adding a player like Hunt on the strong side paired with an exceptional run defender in Spencer allows Rob to do a number of things.

3rd: Travis Frederick, G/C, Wisconsin
Stout, cannot be bull rushed, positional flexibility. He'll slip a bit thanks to players like Jerel Worthy who last year exposed his weakness to quick, gap rushers, as well as performing poorly when asked to seal the edge against quicker players. Also a bit heavy to play at Center, currently 338 lbs, but had played around 325 the rest of his career so it should not be an issue.

Couldn't find individual game type but he plays LG here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZFwXUgoAo

4th: Ray Graham, RB, Pittsburgh
Shifty, athletic, dynamic in space. Excellent vision. Essentially he's Felix Jones that is willing to pound it inside but is fully capable of bouncing it outside for a big gain. Exceptional hands out of the backfield which should compliment our offense nicely. Is blocking and blitz pickup needs work. A weak RB class this year will most likely push him out of this range but still seeing him projected here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfHd112U2nY

5th: Conner Vernon, WR, Duke
Fits our speed/height build we have leaned towards and is a dynamic threat with excellent hands. Body control is phenomenal. The song in the background is atrocious but a lot of the plays remind me of things Miles Austin does for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-SisN6egnEA#at=115

6th: Alex Carder, QB, Western Michigan
Development QB time again. Strong armed, shows a lot of touch, quick feet to avoid rushers. Major gunslinger and way too confident in his arm at times. Struggled at times in reading a defense but other times reads the zone perfectly for the big play. His major flaw at this stage is poor decision making versus the blitz fixing that and he is one heck of a prospect for a 6th rounder.

Is not afraid of getting hit to make the perfect throw. 2:30s on the video below. Entire thing highlights him as a prospect. Can make all the throws but has questionable decision-making.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kGlO0EDQO0

7th:Mark Jackson, OT, Glenville State
Ball of clay. Massive frame and a brutal run blocker, albeit against D-II competition. Originally offered scholarships to Illinois, WVU, Michigan, and Michigan State but eventually transferred from Illinois prior to the start of his career (no additional info found). Watched a video of him from 2010 and he has to be one of the most surprisingly nimble 330 lb OT I have seen.

Monster fish in a tiny pond. Play #1 he launches the opposition in the air when he attacked him in blocking. Scary.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NTcc0Va20[/media.]

Had some extra time and decided to toss a full offseason and roster. :)

QB: Romo, Orton, Carder
RB: Murray, Graham, Dunbar
WR: Dez, Austin, Beasley,Vernon, Harris
TE: Witten, Phillips, Hannah
OT: Smith, Parnell, FREE AGENT (Tons of options for a vet swing), Jackson
OG: Cooper, Livings, Frederick (backup C), Arkin
OC: Costa (Resign)

NT: Ratliff, Brent
DE: Hatcher, Lissemore, Hunt, Crawford, Bass
SOLB: Spencer (Resign), Wilber
ILB: Lee, Carter, Connor
WOLB: Ware, Albright (?)
CB: Carr, Claiborne, Scandrick, FREE AGENT
FS: Vaccaro, Johnson
SS: Sensabaugh, Church, McCray

ST: Bailey, Moorman (Resign), Ladouceur

TheFinisher
11-26-2012, 07:49 AM
For the Cooper fans:

http://www.tarheeltimes.com/article44368.aspx

Witten4HOF
11-26-2012, 08:19 AM
The pick I don't see happening is Mathieu. I'm not even sure he gets drafted after his latest arrest. I'm not even sure the Bengals would risk drafting him let alone a HC who has made it a priority in every draft to go for team captains, community servants, etc. Mathieu is more likely to be incarcerated than on someone's 53 in September.

Someone is going to take a swing in the mid rounds if he declares. He was booted off of the team for failed drug test... arrested for misdemeanor possession of marijuana. Are they smart moves? No, but he isn't a bad kid and someone will gamble that they can contain and treat his addiction. You're absolutely right that it probably won't be us though. I just wanted to mix it up a bit and get some discussion on the board.

I agree that if we stink up the joint that a trade down is certainly in play, although it would be interesting to see what is still on the board when we pick. Cooper would be an awesome pick if the team decides to go for a lineman in the first round, I'd take Cooper + 2nd > Warmack 10 out of 10 times.

-Signing Church to a sizable extension and Sensy under contract sways the team away from Vaccaro imo although I'd enjoy the pick myself.

-Hunt is someone I mentioned in previous mocks who has huge boom or bust potential. I have a feeling that he is going to blow up the combine and will be on the rise come draft time.

-If Frederick manages to slip into the third round and Callahan doesn't convince Jerry to pull the trigger I might just cry. I don't see him slipping out of the 2nd round and might even sneak into the late 1st. Better prospect then Zeitler who was drafted in the first round last year imo.

-Good depth stuffers in the rest of the draft.

CowboysBeastMode
11-29-2012, 02:09 PM
-If Frederick manages to slip into the third round and Callahan doesn't convince Jerry to pull the trigger I might just cry. I don't see him slipping out of the 2nd round and might even sneak into the late 1st. Better prospect then Zeitler who was drafted in the first round last year imo.why so much love for frederick i just watched film of film vs ohio state, he stout but doesn't have much power to move guys at the point of attack in the run game and he falls off blocks alot. that play at 6:15 is embarrasing

he'd be good in heavy zone system like houston or washington though but imo we need guards with more power than him or at least one of them

D-Unit
11-29-2012, 08:22 PM
Dallas Mock 7.0 - Week 13 - Record: 5-6



Round 1. Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama - 6'2, 322

http://insider.espn.go.com/photo/2012/0829/ncf_g_warmack_400.jpg

If Jermey Parnell can work out for us, that would be a huge cost savings boost for us. We could dump Free, and use that money to resign Spencer. Then in the first round we could bypass RT and really start to address the meat of our problems. Bernadeau was a flop at RG and is starting to show signs of being a capable backup C. He's really just a depth guy, imo. The fact that we have to call upon Dockery is just sad. So there is a real need for us to find a great RG. Warmack is a sure thing. I couldn't say that about DeCosta last year, but I have high confidence in Warmack not becoming a bust in the NFL. In fact some think he's the best overall OL prospect in the draft. He's a powerful roadgrader and our team needs him badly.



Round 2. Barrett Jones - C - Alabama - 6'4, 305

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/927/680/6_680927.jpg

Smarts is one of the most critical things I look for in a Center. When it comes to intelligence, nobody bests Barrett Jones who is an All-Academic 4.0 student and sports a high football IQ. The importance of the position to the QB makes C arguably the most important position on the OL. You want someone you can trust calling the o-line plays and I know in Romo's case, he HATES pressure up the midddle more than pressue from the edges, so upgrading Center once and for all would arguably be the best upgrade we can make for our offense. Jones is great on his feet and can move too. Same cannot be said for Travis Frederick who will project to OG in the NFL because of his limitations moving laterally. Kiper has knocked Barrett recently for having short arms and calls him a 3rd/4th round guy, but I don't see him falling that far (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2012/11/barrett_jones_likely_to_be_dra.html). Best part about this is getting Barrett Jones next to Chance Warmack. We talk about OL cohesiveness and THIS is exactly the kind of move we need to make to jump start their effectiveness on the next level.

Next year's OL:

LT Tyron Smith
NG Nate Livings
C Barrett Jones
RG Chance Warmack
RT Jermey Parnell


Round 3. Joseph Randle - RB - Oklahoma St. - 6'0, 200

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Joseph+Randle+Arizona+v+Oklahoma+State+vXVhiA1aIbs l.jpg

Randle should probably stay back another year if he wants a shot at a higher pick, but if he declares, I'd say late 2nd to 3rd round is about his ceiling and floor. Hard to tell though because RBs tend to fall in the draft as the position has devalued. He's similar to Demarco in that he's got that great one cut vision and acceleration to get upfield fast. He's also similar in that he's a good receiver and a very good pass blocker. All of those things turned the Cowboys onto Murray and I think they would be turned onto Randle likewise. He's not as big as Murray and a little too lean for my liking...doesn't break a lot of tackles either, but I think the value is fair here. All of the RBs are kind of bunched up... Monte Ball (a lil bit higher, imo), Stepfan Taylor, Mike Gillislee, Christine Michael, Ray Graham, Jonathan Franklin and Kenjon Barner could be our choice here. I just chose Randle to be a little different this time.



Round 4. Phillip Thomas - S - Fresno St. - 6'1, 215

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/photo_images/9067431/20120915_lbm_se9_672_extra_large.jpg

Another versatile Safety who can play either S position, but his best skill is his ballhawking ability. He's been ballin' this year. Leads the nation with 8 interceptions and 3 pick 6s. Watch him play and it's obvious why. He sticks on his man, has great instincts, great closing speed, stretchy arms, and catches like a WR. His hips are awesome and this guy might rise up the draft boards. He's a good wrap up tackler, not afraid to come up in run support and can be used to blitz. Rob would LOVE to have this guy and open up more of his defense.... aka MOAR BLITZING.

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Macarthur
11-30-2012, 10:29 AM
I like your thoughts on the OL.

Let me make this one point. I was disappointed in Jones when I watched him against A&M. Spencer Neely ate him up all day long. I actually think the C for A&M, Patrick Lewis, is very underrated. The tackles get lots of attention for A&M, for good reason, but Lewis has been a rock for them in the middle. You could probably get him in the 4th or 5th.

CowboysBeastMode
11-30-2012, 11:05 AM
Cowboys trade from 15 to 19 and pick up third round pickup (and its fits trade value chart)

Round 1
1. Chance Warmack OG Alabama - he's a big time guard but he still is a guard and those slip further than what they should on draft day. JJ is stubborn about Free as he was with Roy Williams and won't opt to replace him yet.

Round 2
2. Tony Jefferson S Oklahoma - He has great instincts and maybe he'll be what Roy L. Williams was not.

Round 3
3. Marquess Wilson WR - We really need recivers and after taking some low risk guys earlier Jerry takes a chance on a talented reciever with some baggage.

4. Dri Archer RB/WR Kent State - If you haven't heard about this guy go watch his game against Bowling Green. He could the second coming of Percy Harvin or he could Noel Devine but we need a guy is explosive and unlike most other change of pace RB this guy has alot of experience play the slot receiver.

Round 4
5. Levine Toilolo TE Stanford - Similar player to Martellus Bennett. He has great size and is excellent blocker. He is not overly quick or sudden but has deceptive long speed to stretch the seam and would be a great red zone weapon. Being the 3rd TE with Luck and #2 TE with a freshman QB hurt his production and he has some injury concerns with a torn ACL in 2010. Put has some upside.

Compensatory Pick from Mike Jenkins
6. Tharold Simon CB LSU - With Jenkins gone, CB depth is a need and he has alot of experience in big games and fits the bill as a big corner who can play outside if someone gets hurt.

Round 5
7. Joe Kruger DE Utah - 6-7 270 long arms and room to add more bulk. Has all the makings of the 3-4 end and this probably pushes Spears of the roster.

Round 6
8. Mark Jackson OT Glenville State - Big body with really good feet but extremely raw. Might be the right tackle of the future if he develops.

CowboysBeastMode
11-30-2012, 11:06 AM
I like your thoughts on the OL.

Let me make this one point. I was disappointed in Jones when I watched him against A&M. Spencer Neely ate him up all day long. I actually think the C for A&M, Patrick Lewis, is very underrated. The tackles get lots of attention for A&M, for good reason, but Lewis has been a rock for them in the middle. You could probably get him in the 4th or 5th.having chance warmack next to him makes him look better than what he really is imo.

leroyisgod
11-30-2012, 11:14 AM
I need to start to get up on the draft

cmd34
12-01-2012, 10:15 PM
Compensatory Pick from Mike Jenkins
6. Tharold Simon CB LSU - With Jenkins gone, CB depth is a need and he has alot of experience in big games and fits the bill as a big corner who can play outside if someone gets hurt.



IF we will get a compensatory pick for Jenkins, it would come in 2014.

Witten4HOF
12-02-2012, 10:00 AM
The Archer kid is on my radar too... I saw him live at the Rutgers game and it was like he played at a completely different speed. That is saying something considering how quick the that defense is as a whole. His speed alone opened things up inside for their power back, which lead to easy sledding for most of the game.

CowboysBeastMode
12-02-2012, 12:08 PM
IF we will get a compensatory pick for Jenkins, it would come in 2014.ok same pick but compensatory selection from losing Martellus Bennett, Bradie James, and Keith Brookings (all 3 are starters too).

cmd34
12-02-2012, 12:31 PM
ok same pick but compensatory selection from losing Martellus Bennett, Bradie James, and Keith Brookings (all 3 are starters too).

Part of the formula is based on how many free agents you sign vs how many you lost. We signed Carr, Connor, Bernadeau, Livings, Vickers, and Orton. Another part is how much the players you lost signed for. I don't expect us to get any supplemental picks this year.

formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor.

Macarthur
12-11-2012, 09:32 AM
Does NT now become a need in the first couple of rounds?

Maybe Jessie Williams or Nix?

Trogdor
12-11-2012, 09:44 AM
Does NT now become a need in the first couple of rounds?

Maybe Jessie Williams or Nix?

I think we'll target another athletic NT/DE. Lissemore has done well and he's in the same mold as Ratliff in the middle. I don't think we'll be making a full switch to having a 2-gapping meat mountain in the middle of our line. Even when we put Brent in there we weren't asking him to occupy the middle of the line and sit.

I don't see Jesse having much value to us due to being more of a "space-eater" than a dynamic man in the middle. Nix is certainly an option as is Hankins if we are looking early.

I would rather target a middle round guy as I don't see us moving full-time away from Ratliff until the following season. Someone like Mister Cobble (Kentucky), Larry Black, Jr (IU), sleeper knucklehead pick would be Montori Hughes (Tennessee-Martin) who was an elite Tennessee prospect who missed his freshman year due to academic issues and then was dismissed from the team for a "dorm room incident".

LonghornsLegend
12-11-2012, 10:03 AM
I would love someone like Warmack, but I really, really want Eric Reid. We need a field general back there. A guy who can see the entire field with sideline to sideline range, and clean up a lot of the mess. It lets you get more aggressive with your CB's in press man to man and results in more turnovers.


I know what the interior of our line looks like, but thinking off the top of my head, if we start Parnell at RT, sign an elite Guard(if there is one), draft another G/C in the 2nd round, I'd be ok with taking Reid in the 1st. He's an exceptional safety with great intangibles and would make our entire defensive unit better. G/C prospects are always there in rounds 2-4 to come in as starters.


We could go Guard and Center back to back in rounds 2 and 3.

Macarthur
12-11-2012, 10:52 AM
It seems like a really deep draft for guards. We should be able to get a really really good one in the 2nd or 3rd.

LonghornsLegend
12-11-2012, 11:25 AM
It seems like a really deep draft for guards. We should be able to get a really really good one in the 2nd or 3rd.

Exactly, and guys who can start from Day 1. If we can find enough room to get the best one in FA, I'd be fine going Reid, Guard, G/C in the draft in our first 3 rounds. Then probably RB, but that start would make me really happy, though I think it's obvious we have to go pretty hard after whoever makes it onto the market.

TheFinisher
12-11-2012, 11:32 AM
Does NT now become a need in the first couple of rounds?

Maybe Jessie Williams or Nix?

I would think so, there was supposedly some beef between Jerry and Ratliff so who knows if he's even back next year and the likelihood of Brent going to jail puts us in a bind.

We really have nothing in the pipeline and I think our hand may be forced.

Now, what kind of NT we target will probably be up to Rob and what he wants. He may prefer a 2-gap space eater like Jessie Williams or Nix, or he may want to stay with a guy who can make things happen in a 1-gap... like a Hankins or Kawann Short.

Trogdor
12-11-2012, 11:36 AM
I would love someone like Warmack, but I really, really want Eric Reid. We need a field general back there. A guy who can see the entire field with sideline to sideline range, and clean up a lot of the mess. It lets you get more aggressive with your CB's in press man to man and results in more turnovers.


I know what the interior of our line looks like, but thinking off the top of my head, if we start Parnell at RT, sign an elite Guard(if there is one), draft another G/C in the 2nd round, I'd be ok with taking Reid in the 1st. He's an exceptional safety with great intangibles and would make our entire defensive unit better. G/C prospects are always there in rounds 2-4 to come in as starters.


We could go Guard and Center back to back in rounds 2 and 3.

I like the depth of prospects at both G and RT currently. Personally I am far more enamored with Kenny Vaccaro than Eric Reid though. Been watching tape on both and I think Vaccaro is going to shine during workouts. The idea of Rob being able to use his FS to line up man-to-man with slot WRs or athletic TEs has me drooling.

For me at this stage I'm looking for a FS, G, C, RT, and if a game-breaking defensive lineman falls I'll take a peak. I would sooner get fair value at any of the other needs before taking a defensive lineman though. I think Ratliff/Lissemore/Calloway is fine for next season especially if we take a project in the later rounds.

LonghornsLegend
12-11-2012, 11:40 AM
I like the depth of prospects at both G and RT currently. Personally I am far more enamored with Kenny Vaccaro than Eric Reid though. Been watching tape on both and I think Vaccaro is going to shine during workouts. The idea of Rob being able to use his FS to line up man-to-man with slot WRs or athletic TEs has me drooling.

For me at this stage I'm looking for a FS, G, C, RT, and if a game-breaking defensive lineman falls I'll take a peak. I would sooner get fair value at any of the other needs before taking a defensive lineman though. I think Ratliff/Lissemore/Calloway is fine for next season especially if we take a project in the later rounds.

That's a good name, I need to watch him a bit more which I start to get into more around January. But I am a HUGE fan of FS's being able to cover in the slot, guys like Huff, Rolle, etc have such a huge advantage, if Vacarro can do that I'm all for him honestly. I think the intangibles, smarts, and field awareness of Reid sold me so much on him. And I think he has a very high floor with little chance of becoming a bust, but who knows.


Only reason I don't list RT is because I think Parnell is a stop gap. Not a longterm starter, but a guy you can give a year to hold the fort down and fill other needs, draft another one in the 5th round you think you can develop and then next year go at it early. I also think both of our tackles would play so much better without crap at Guard. Makes their job that much easier.

Trogdor
12-11-2012, 11:49 AM
That's a good name, I need to watch him a bit more which I start to get into more around January. But I am a HUGE fan of FS's being able to cover in the slot, guys like Huff, Rolle, etc have such a huge advantage, if Vacarro can do that I'm all for him honestly. I think the intangibles, smarts, and field awareness of Reid sold me so much on him. And I think he has a very high floor with little chance of becoming a bust, but who knows.


Only reason I don't list RT is because I think Parnell is a stop gap. Not a longterm starter, but a guy you can give a year to hold the fort down and fill other needs, draft another one in the 5th round you think you can develop and then next year go at it early. I also think both of our tackles would play so much better without crap at Guard. Makes their job that much easier.

Vaccaro can cover the slot and even better... he can effectively JAM!?!? Can you imagine if Rob rolls with some crazy 3 safety set in which the QB's top 3 WRs get jammed at the snap with Ware and Spencer blitzing off the edges. Add in he's an excellent blitzer and I want him. People keep saying he can play either safety slot but I want him as a FS. I think he gets blocked too effectively in the running game.

This one a complete breakdown from Football Outsiders:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2012/futures-texas-fs-kenny-vacarro

Macarthur
12-11-2012, 12:35 PM
I think Jefferson at OU is a hell of a safety, too.

Macarthur
12-11-2012, 12:42 PM
I like TJ Johnson out of South Carolina. He's started for 3 or 4 years. I think he's going to be a very good pro center.

I like him even more after watching this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lI-F-MURlI

He's a big ole country boy! He needs to be a Cowboy!

D-Unit
12-11-2012, 01:50 PM
Great draft talk guys! I like it!

I started to think about NT immediately when I heard Brent's manslaughter case... and especially after the blow up between Jerry and Ratliff.

I'm a huge fan of Jesse Williams and I like his draft value. I don't want Hankins or Short or Jenkins in Round 1.

I haven't soured on Barrett Jones like some of you have, but I do love Braxston Cave every time I see ND play.

Gonna be one hell of a game to see Cave up against Williams. I'm anxious for that match up.

CowboysBeastMode
12-14-2012, 10:34 PM
Great draft talk guys! I like it!

I started to think about NT immediately when I heard Brent's manslaughter case... and especially after the blow up between Jerry and Ratliff.

I'm a huge fan of Jesse Williams and I like his draft value. I don't want Hankins or Short or Jenkins in Round 1.

I haven't soured on Barrett Jones like some of you have, but I do love Braxston Cave every time I see ND play.

Gonna be one hell of a game to see Cave up against Williams. I'm anxious for that match up.i like the other williams, sylvester williams he's a beast

Witten4HOF
12-15-2012, 09:19 AM
I am personally a fan of drafting a conventional NT early this year, my favorite is Jenkins for sure, versatility wise Hankins may be the best choice because he has experience at 5 tech in a 3 man front. My train of thought is about protecting and maximizing the abilities of our best players. Having a big plug in the middle allows Carter/Lee to chase in pursuit with less chance of lineman at the second level. Also, having a body the can collapse the interior pocket prevents a QB from stepping up and turns pressures into sacks increasing the productivity of Spencer/Ware on the outside.

I don't hate the combination of Lissemore and Ratliff but I think they can be better utilized platooning LE and third down NT to create the best matchups.

Something that I wanted to bounce off you guys is thoughts on David Amerson now that he has officially declared. He has really fallen out of favor with a lot of people in the draft forums after a huge let up from his impressive sophmore campain but offers good positional versatility that our staff likes. Ultimately, I think his best position is at safety where he can attack the ball in zone coverage and use his impressive length against tight ends. Does anyone like his value in the mid-late 2nd round if he is still available ?

Witten4HOF
12-15-2012, 02:02 PM
Johnathan Hankins 6'3 335lbs, NT Ohio St Conventional NT that can play in both one gap and two gap schemes.. has experience kicking out to 5 tech in a three man front.. very good natural strength and explosion off of the ball.. keeps his eyes in the backfield and does a nice job of locating the ball. Occasionially gets away with playing with a high pad level and doesn't use his hands enough to fight off lineman. Has potential to develop into a three down player if he continues to develop pass rush moves.

Barrett Jones 6'5 302, C/G Alabama Smart, technically sound player that has the type of positional flexibility that Garrett loves...Can play any position on the interior and RT in a pinch.. Isn't an elite athlete but more then makes up for that with good angles and footwork... Has frame to work with and put on another 10-15 lbs of good weight. JG has a relationship with Coach Saban and if he is on the clock I would be very surprised if he wasn't the selection.

Marcus Lattimore 6'0 232, RB South Carolina Looked to be a first round pick early in his career but has dealt with two injury riddled seasons involving damaged ACL's and a dislocated knee cap. Although he is on track for a full recovery teams might be cold on a guy who is injury prone and has never displayed elite speed to break the big play. When healthy he is a north/south runner who can hit the hole and grind out tough yardage... Also displays soft hands out of the backfield and has a big body to pick up linebackers in pass protection.

Terry Hawthorne 6'0 190, CB Illinois Good Athlete with excellent ball skills who's development has been stunted by spliting time at WR and being nicked up through his career. Really has a chance to turn into a playmaker with exclusive practice time at one position. Fluid and can help out in the slot, outside and possible FS after he feels comfortable in zone coverage.

Collin Klein 6'5 220, WR KSU Klein at WR!?!?! Early in his career Kansas State would use him in redzone packages as a jump ball threat. He has shown that he is a tough runner and I think he will run sub 4.7 at the combine. Developmental guy who offers something our WR corps does not currently have, elite size. Also could serve as an emergency backup QB.

Tanner Hawkinson 6'5 291, OT Kansas Three year starter with experience at LT/RT and was the leader along the o-line. Has good feet and a good frame to add weight too. Needs to play with better balance and add strength but has the physical tools to develop into a solid reserve.

John Boyett 5'10 205, S Oregon Tough and experience with good awareness in both coverage/run support. Can come in immediately and help special teams and grow into a solid back up at free safety. Undersized, less then stellar athlete, and injury history knock him this far down the board.

D-Unit
12-17-2012, 03:06 PM
Johnathan Hankins 6'3 335lbs, NT Ohio St Conventional NT that can play in both one gap and two gap schemes.. has experience kicking out to 5 tech in a three man front.. very good natural strength and explosion off of the ball.. keeps his eyes in the backfield and does a nice job of locating the ball. Occasionially gets away with playing with a high pad level and doesn't use his hands enough to fight off lineman. Has potential to develop into a three down player if he continues to develop pass rush moves.

Barrett Jones 6'5 302, C/G Alabama Smart, technically sound player that has the type of positional flexibility that Garrett loves...Can play any position on the interior and RT in a pinch.. Isn't an elite athlete but more then makes up for that with good angles and footwork... Has frame to work with and put on another 10-15 lbs of good weight. JG has a relationship with Coach Saban and if he is on the clock I would be very surprised if he wasn't the selection.

Marcus Lattimore 6'0 232, RB South Carolina Looked to be a first round pick early in his career but has dealt with two injury riddled seasons involving damaged ACL's and a dislocated knee cap. Although he is on track for a full recovery teams might be cold on a guy who is injury prone and has never displayed elite speed to break the big play. When healthy he is a north/south runner who can hit the hole and grind out tough yardage... Also displays soft hands out of the backfield and has a big body to pick up linebackers in pass protection.

Terry Hawthorne 6'0 190, CB Illinois Good Athlete with excellent ball skills who's development has been stunted by spliting time at WR and being nicked up through his career. Really has a chance to turn into a playmaker with exclusive practice time at one position. Fluid and can help out in the slot, outside and possible FS after he feels comfortable in zone coverage.

Collin Klein 6'5 220, WR KSU Klein at WR!?!?! Early in his career Kansas State would use him in redzone packages as a jump ball threat. He has shown that he is a tough runner and I think he will run sub 4.7 at the combine. Developmental guy who offers something our WR corps does not currently have, elite size. Also could serve as an emergency backup QB.

Tanner Hawkinson 6'5 291, OT Kansas Three year starter with experience at LT/RT and was the leader along the o-line. Has good feet and a good frame to add weight too. Needs to play with better balance and add strength but has the physical tools to develop into a solid reserve.

John Boyett 5'10 205, S Oregon Tough and experience with good awareness in both coverage/run support. Can come in immediately and help special teams and grow into a solid back up at free safety. Undersized, less then stellar athlete, and injury history knock him this far down the board.
I don't think we have a shot to land Hankins. Never know though. I agree NT is up there on the needs list. My gut says Barrett Jones for us in the 2nd is too good to be true as well. I have hopes for it though. As for Lattimore, I'd rather just pass on him. Same on Klein. I don't like QB to WR projects. The position is way too specialized and demanding. I don't know who Hawethorne or Hawkinson are. I hope we address S earlier than Round 7. I can't take McCray in coverage anymore.

Macarthur
12-17-2012, 03:46 PM
I'm not sold on B Jones. I can't get out of my mind him getting worn out in that A&M game. I think he's got a chance to be good, but I'm not convinced he comes in and supplants Costa, as crazy as that sounds.

I think we need to get one of those stud guards.

CowboysBeastMode
12-17-2012, 05:19 PM
I am personally a fan of drafting a conventional NT early this year, my favorite is Jenkins for sure, versatility wise Hankins may be the best choice because he has experience at 5 tech in a 3 man front. My train of thought is about protecting and maximizing the abilities of our best players. Having a big plug in the middle allows Carter/Lee to chase in pursuit with less chance of lineman at the second level. Also, having a body the can collapse the interior pocket prevents a QB from stepping up and turns pressures into sacks increasing the productivity of Spencer/Ware on the outside.

I don't hate the combination of Lissemore and Ratliff but I think they can be better utilized platooning LE and third down NT to create the best matchups.

Something that I wanted to bounce off you guys is thoughts on David Amerson now that he has officially declared. He has really fallen out of favor with a lot of people in the draft forums after a huge let up from his impressive sophmore campain but offers good positional versatility that our staff likes. Ultimately, I think his best position is at safety where he can attack the ball in zone coverage and use his impressive length against tight ends. Does anyone like his value in the mid-late 2nd round if he is still available ?i was thinking along the same lines of our first round pick. i don't see a can't miss 3-4 end like brockers last year, but we do need more disruption from the middle. i personally like sylvester williams more myself.

as for amerson i was thinking about doing another mock and amerson is definitely on my radar in the 2nd round. i saw an article from mel kiper a couple week ago in his opinion amerson stock has dropped all the way to maybe to the 3rd round as of now. so who knows where he's gonna go at this point

CowboysBeastMode
12-17-2012, 05:27 PM
Johnathan Hankins 6'3 335lbs, NT Ohio St Conventional NT that can play in both one gap and two gap schemes.. has experience kicking out to 5 tech in a three man front.. very good natural strength and explosion off of the ball.. keeps his eyes in the backfield and does a nice job of locating the ball. Occasionially gets away with playing with a high pad level and doesn't use his hands enough to fight off lineman. Has potential to develop into a three down player if he continues to develop pass rush moves.

Barrett Jones 6'5 302, C/G Alabama Smart, technically sound player that has the type of positional flexibility that Garrett loves...Can play any position on the interior and RT in a pinch.. Isn't an elite athlete but more then makes up for that with good angles and footwork... Has frame to work with and put on another 10-15 lbs of good weight. JG has a relationship with Coach Saban and if he is on the clock I would be very surprised if he wasn't the selection.

Marcus Lattimore 6'0 232, RB South Carolina Looked to be a first round pick early in his career but has dealt with two injury riddled seasons involving damaged ACL's and a dislocated knee cap. Although he is on track for a full recovery teams might be cold on a guy who is injury prone and has never displayed elite speed to break the big play. When healthy he is a north/south runner who can hit the hole and grind out tough yardage... Also displays soft hands out of the backfield and has a big body to pick up linebackers in pass protection.

Terry Hawthorne 6'0 190, CB Illinois Good Athlete with excellent ball skills who's development has been stunted by spliting time at WR and being nicked up through his career. Really has a chance to turn into a playmaker with exclusive practice time at one position. Fluid and can help out in the slot, outside and possible FS after he feels comfortable in zone coverage.

Collin Klein 6'5 220, WR KSU Klein at WR!?!?! Early in his career Kansas State would use him in redzone packages as a jump ball threat. He has shown that he is a tough runner and I think he will run sub 4.7 at the combine. Developmental guy who offers something our WR corps does not currently have, elite size. Also could serve as an emergency backup QB.

Tanner Hawkinson 6'5 291, OT Kansas Three year starter with experience at LT/RT and was the leader along the o-line. Has good feet and a good frame to add weight too. Needs to play with better balance and add strength but has the physical tools to develop into a solid reserve.

John Boyett 5'10 205, S Oregon Tough and experience with good awareness in both coverage/run support. Can come in immediately and help special teams and grow into a solid back up at free safety. Undersized, less then stellar athlete, and injury history knock him this far down the board.i think the cowboys have played themselves out of position to get hankins

barrett jones imo is a reach in the 2nd round, i see him as a late 3 early 4th rounder.

i would love to draft lattimore but he's gonna need to probably sit out a season and make sure his knee is 100% so the third round is unlikely b/c he's won't be able to play untill 2014 but if we trade down and acquired and an extra 3rd or 4th that would make sense to take a chance on him, i don't know about the rest of the guys so i'll have to look for some game film of them.

D-Unit
12-17-2012, 05:49 PM
I'm not sold on B Jones. I can't get out of my mind him getting worn out in that A&M game. I think he's got a chance to be good, but I'm not convinced he comes in and supplants Costa, as crazy as that sounds.

I think we need to get one of those stud guards.
One game shouldn't make or break a player. Not like Jones has a short record to stand on. I've seen him plenty of times and came away impressed.

Macarthur
12-18-2012, 09:22 AM
One game shouldn't make or break a player. Not like Jones has a short record to stand on. I've seen him plenty of times and came away impressed.

Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't say I would be upset if we get him, but I still wonder if he's going to get drafted a bit higher than he should because he's had studs all around him on that Alabama OL.

D-Unit
12-18-2012, 03:13 PM
Dallas Mock 9.0 - Week 15 - Record: 8-6



Round 1. Jonathan Cooper - OG - UNC - 6'3, 310

http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0606/ncf_u_jonathancooper_es_600.jpg

With the colllege season nearly at end, I'm starting to hone in on my wishful targets. Cooper has been talked about for a while now, but I think I really am sold on him. With RG being such a big weakness for us, I know I would be happy with this selection. He is the Tyron Smith of Offensive Guards athleticially, but more ready to play now than Tyron was when he came out.


Round 2. Brandon Williams - DT - Missouri Southern - 6'2, 328

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/217885_383311475088882_1347270069_n.jpg

Talked about this beast in my first or second mock and all he's done is had a tremendous year that has put him on the map to be a 2nd or 3rd Round prospect. He had 68 total tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, two pass break ups, eight quarterback hurries, five forced fumbles and a safety. With Ratliff's best years looking like they are behind him and Brent in criminal trouble, NT is a position of great importance once again. I want this guy pretty damn badly.


Round 3. Braxston Cave - C - Notre Dame - 6'3, 305

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000jT2CFHazy.o/s/600/600/3-26-Practice-45.jpg

No secret that I've been a fan of Cave all season. He's been in a bunch of my mocks. I just love his value weighed against our need because I think his talent and upside is warranted to be a higher pick even though he's not as hyped up. Just a solid lunch pail worker who I think can be a relied upon force in the NFL. There's no weight training development needed as Cave is already strong as a grizzly bear. He should be able to hold up from Day 1. Notre Dame has prepared this 5th year senior well.

Next year's OL:

LT Tyron Smith / New swing tackle via FA
NG Nate Livings / David Arkin
C Braxston Cave / Phil Costa
RG Jonathan Cooper / Mackenzy Bernadeau
RT Jermey Parnell / New swing tackle via FA


Round 4. DJ Swearinger - S - South Carolina - 5'11, 210

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J+Swearinger+Missouri+v+South+Carolina+-bo1S5AAx1Ml.jpg

One big reason why I think passing on a Safety in Round 1 is because the class is so damn deep. Swearinger has so much swag it ain't even funny. He backs it up with his play on the field too. He's had some big games this year winning SEC Player of the Week awards. He finished the season on the 2nd Team All-SEC. He seems like a total Rob Ryan kind of guy.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdk9xl9sJA1r2ct63o1_500.jpg

Witten4HOF
12-18-2012, 03:51 PM
D-Unit- I don't think we have a shot to land Hankins. Never know though. I agree NT is up there on the needs list. My gut says Barrett Jones for us in the 2nd is too good to be true as well. I have hopes for it though. As for Lattimore, I'd rather just pass on him. Same on Klein. I don't like QB to WR projects. The position is way too specialized and demanding. I don't know who Hawethorne or Hawkinson are. I hope we address S earlier than Round 7. I can't take McCray in coverage anymore.

One trend that I have noticed since I started following the draft is that NT and Guards always fall down draft boards for some strange reason. Guys like Red Bryant, Gabe Watson, Alan Branch, Almeda Ta'amu, and Mt Cody all recieved round one hype at one time and dropped come draft time. Hankins might be a little different considering he has some better movement then the guys listed above but DT/NT always comes down to preference. I think guys like the Williams's and Short that have the ability to 3 tech have to potential to push Hankins and Jenkins down the board.

I think Lattimore fits right into our wheelhouse in terms of finding guys who can really play in later rounds. The staff clearly does a nice job of scouting injured players and does not mind rehabbing or even redshirting a player with talent. Within the last couple of years the team has selected several core players with injuries or injury past like Lee, Carter, Murray, and Claiborne.

I completely agree with drafting a safety with a premuim pick but I don't know if that is the teams M.O especially after the Chruch extension.

CowboysBeastMode- barrett jones imo is a reach in the 2nd round, i see him as a late 3 early 4th rounder.

Barrett took a hit is some draft circles but he wont make it out of the second round based on versatility alone. The kid has played a new position three out of the four years in school, once he settles into one he will be fine. I think he can play center or guard for us. Even if he doesn't start he has value to swing all the way across the line in a pinch.

CowboysBeastMode
12-19-2012, 01:35 AM
Barrett took a hit is some draft circles but he wont make it out of the second round based on versatility alone. The kid has played a new position three out of the four years in school, once he settles into one he will be fine. I think he can play center or guard for us. Even if he doesn't start he has value to swing all the way across the line in a pinch.versatility doesn't necessarily make up for talent either

D-Unit
12-19-2012, 03:31 AM
versatility doesn't necessarily make up for talent either
versatility is a plus, and it will boost his stock. I think that's what W4HOF meant. will it mean he will be successful? not necessarily, but it will give him more chances to succeed if he fails at one spot.

i honestly don't get the talent criticism though. he's been tried, tested, put through the mill against the toughest competition in college football. if there was a clear lack of talent, it would've shown through more than one bad game.

i'll tell you where he'll fall short... when scouts use prototypical metric benchmarks to determine his worth... like judging arm length, 40 time, bench press. helpful things to look at for sure, but they SHOULDN'T be the tell all, end all. THAT'S where scouts get in trouble.

Barrett Jones will be a fine... heck, more than fine NFL lineman in the NFL for years to come. He may have bumps and bruises in his career, but he's close to a sure thing as you will find if you're looking for a capable NFL starter for the next decade.

TheFinisher
12-19-2012, 06:30 AM
I like that mock D, still unsure if they'd draft 2 interior OL early but I'd be happy if they did. Cooper would be a great 1st, he has experience at C too.

Also, I'll have to become familiar with Williams as he sounds like the real deal!

CowboysBeastMode
12-19-2012, 09:10 AM
versatility is a plus, and it will boost his stock. I think that's what W4HOF meant. will it mean he will be successful? not necessarily, but it will give him more chances to succeed if he fails at one spot.

i honestly don't get the talent criticism though. he's been tried, tested, put through the mill against the toughest competition in college football. if there was a clear lack of talent, it would've shown through more than one bad game.

i'll tell you where he'll fall short... when scouts use prototypical metric benchmarks to determine his worth... like judging arm length, 40 time, bench press. helpful things to look at for sure, but they SHOULDN'T be the tell all, end all. THAT'S where scouts get in trouble.

Barrett Jones will be a fine... heck, more than fine NFL lineman in the NFL for years to come. He may have bumps and bruises in his career, but he's close to a sure thing as you will find if you're looking for a capable NFL starter for the next decade.what i mean is he doesn't have the overall ability to be second rounder. to me he is protected by the overall talent on the alabama o-line. he's not a bad player, but the fact that they kept moving him around tells me he probably not as good as the guy replacing him, too his credit he was able to move around and play other position and succeed, but barrett jones in the second round C'MON MAN

Macarthur
12-19-2012, 10:59 AM
what i mean is he doesn't have the overall ability to be second rounder. to me he is protected by the overall talent on the alabama o-line. he's not a bad player, but the fact that they kept moving him around tells me he probably not as good as the guy replacing him, too his credit he was able to move around and play other position and succeed, but barrett jones in the second round C'MON MAN

I think I agree with this. I think he will be a guy that will be a solid player in the league for a decade, but I don't think he's a 2nd rounder.

LonghornsLegend
12-19-2012, 11:25 AM
what i mean is he doesn't have the overall ability to be second rounder. to me he is protected by the overall talent on the alabama o-line. he's not a bad player, but the fact that they kept moving him around tells me he probably not as good as the guy replacing him, too his credit he was able to move around and play other position and succeed, but barrett jones in the second round C'MON MAN

Jones is a huge reason why people say that line has talent. You can't talk about how the Alabama line has talent then think that he lives off of it, he's a big reason for it. He'd be an amazing 2nd round pick and such a massive upgrade at Center, funny thing is we could go Warmack then Jones and I'd be ecstatic just the same lol. But Jones being a guy we can use as a swing across the middle, or stick at Center, I really like.


A real center is a big priority for me, as is Guard and Safety. NT is pretty high too sadly, JBR was our future starter there.

Witten4HOF
12-19-2012, 01:38 PM
what i mean is he doesn't have the overall ability to be second rounder. to me he is protected by the overall talent on the alabama o-line. he's not a bad player, but the fact that they kept moving him around tells me he probably not as good as the guy replacing him, too his credit he was able to move around and play other position and succeed, but barrett jones in the second round C'MON MAN

Moving around was not a knock on him, he is a guard by trade plain and simple. Thats where he started 25 games in his first two years before he moved to LT to replace NFL first rounder James Carpenter and finshed as an All American. Saban realized they had a developing player in Cyrus Kouandjio at LT( who looks like a future first round pick) and a big hole at center. To get his best players on the field they asked Jones to kick back inside to a position he never played before.(still finished as an all american).

I think the movement has a lot more to do with getting the best group of guys on the field and not leaving major holes. Just happened to be Barrett moving around because he was their most rounded player.

Macarthur
12-19-2012, 03:57 PM
I don't think Jones is an immediate upgrade over Costa.

D-Unit
12-20-2012, 01:36 PM
I don't think Jones is an immediate upgrade over Costa.
I don't get it. What has Costa ever done except dissappoint us? Every preseason he has hyped built up that he never carries out.

I'm not ready to put all my eggs in his basket. C position is too important. I'm not even sure Costa is better than Cook or Bernadeau at C.

LonghornsLegend
12-20-2012, 01:52 PM
I don't think Jones is an immediate upgrade over Costa.

Really? You must not be too high on Jones, or really high on Costa. Center is a vitally important position, I'd prefer to secure it with a starter or stud before we get a new QBotf. It's been a trouble spot for us for years, I am not batting an eye at Costa when it comes to upgrading. At least bring in talent with an early pick, then we have good depth.


Also versatility is HUGE for me with lineman. Having a guy to play all over the place is vital, and it helps in the event we can't get all new starters in one off-season.

CowboysBeastMode
12-20-2012, 08:28 PM
Really? You must not be too high on Jones, or really high on Costa. Center is a vitally important position, I'd prefer to secure it with a starter or stud before we get a new QBotf. It's been a trouble spot for us for years, I am not batting an eye at Costa when it comes to upgrading. At least bring in talent with an early pick, then we have good depth.


Also versatility is HUGE for me with lineman. Having a guy to play all over the place is vital, and it helps in the event we can't get all new starters in one off-season.first of all the is no can't miss center in this year's draft. no mike pouncey, no nick mangold, no alex mack.

i've never been a costa fan at all but jones is solid overall but not great at anything nor is he a physical specimen, he's a technican. on a line that's basically tyron smith and a bunch no names adding jones to the mix doesn't really solidfy anything. if the cowboys had two good tackles and one really good interior lineman jones would be a good fit, but with basically 4 spots possibly up for grabs i just don't jones improves the line at all with the current guys on the roster. it great the he's had experience at alot of positions, but i don't think he'll be great at any of those position and solidify it for the next ten years. i don't hate him as prospect, i just don't agree with taking him with a second round. heck scouts inc. just updated the rankings he has a grade 79 and is 72 best player in the draft. would you take the 72 best player with the 55th overall pick?


i think a guard who can maul people inside would be exactly what the cowboys need on the line.

CowboysBeastMode
12-20-2012, 08:31 PM
Dallas Mock 9.0 - Week 15 - Record: 8-6



Round 1. Jonathan Cooper - OG - UNC - 6'3, 310

http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0606/ncf_u_jonathancooper_es_600.jpg

With the colllege season nearly at end, I'm starting to hone in on my wishful targets. Cooper has been talked about for a while now, but I think I really am sold on him. With RG being such a big weakness for us, I know I would be happy with this selection. He is the Tyron Smith of Offensive Guards athleticially, but more ready to play now than Tyron was when he came out.


Round 2. Brandon Williams - DT - Missouri Southern - 6'2, 328

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/217885_383311475088882_1347270069_n.jpg

Talked about this beast in my first or second mock and all he's done is had a tremendous year that has put him on the map to be a 2nd or 3rd Round prospect. He had 68 total tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, two pass break ups, eight quarterback hurries, five forced fumbles and a safety. With Ratliff's best years looking like they are behind him and Brent in criminal trouble, NT is a position of great importance once again. I want this guy pretty damn badly.


Round 3. Braxston Cave - C - Notre Dame - 6'3, 305

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000jT2CFHazy.o/s/600/600/3-26-Practice-45.jpg

No secret that I've been a fan of Cave all season. He's been in a bunch of my mocks. I just love his value weighed against our need because I think his talent and upside is warranted to be a higher pick even though he's not as hyped up. Just a solid lunch pail worker who I think can be a relied upon force in the NFL. There's no weight training development needed as Cave is already strong as a grizzly bear. He should be able to hold up from Day 1. Notre Dame has prepared this 5th year senior well.

Next year's OL:

LT Tyron Smith / New swing tackle via FA
NG Nate Livings / David Arkin
C Braxston Cave / Phil Costa
RG Jonathan Cooper / Mackenzy Bernadeau
RT Jermey Parnell / New swing tackle via FA


Round 4. DJ Swearinger - S - South Carolina - 5'11, 210

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J+Swearinger+Missouri+v+South+Carolina+-bo1S5AAx1Ml.jpg

One big reason why I think passing on a Safety in Round 1 is because the class is so damn deep. Swearinger has so much swag it ain't even funny. He backs it up with his play on the field too. He's had some big games this year winning SEC Player of the Week awards. He finished the season on the 2nd Team All-SEC. He seems like a total Rob Ryan kind of guy.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdk9xl9sJA1r2ct63o1_500.jpgi wanna see brandon williams in the senior bowl or east west shrine game against better competition before i use a second rounder on him

D-Unit
12-21-2012, 05:44 PM
i wanna see brandon williams in the senior bowl or east west shrine game against better competition before i use a second rounder on him
It is a late second rounder, but as we know... small school competition didn't hurt Poe any.

CowboysBeastMode
12-21-2012, 07:16 PM
It is a late second rounder, but as we know... small school competition didn't hurt Poe any.poe went to memphis thats an fbs school, back when deangelo williams was there they were pretty good

willimas plays in the MAIAA, depending on his possible performance in the senior bowl or ew shrine game i doubt he goes in the first 75 selection, the dt class is 4 rounds deep with talent

i will keep my eye on him as a day 3 sleeper pick

CowboysBeastMode
12-24-2012, 06:57 PM
smu vs fresno st in bout to start i been wanting to see philip thomas this year since d-unit brought him up in a mock draft earlier

Trogdor
12-24-2012, 08:01 PM
smu vs fresno st in bout to start i been wanting to see philip thomas this year since d-unit brought him up in a mock draft earlier

Keep an eye on Margus Hunt. 6'8" and runs a 4.7 40yd, and an absolute athletic freak. The nation's all-time leader in blocked field goals and plays 5-tech. Super raw but I would nab him in a heartbeat in the 2nd if he was available or trade up from the 3rd if he's available late 2nd/early 3rd.

Another few to watch are:

Fresno St. RB Robbie Rouse. Small guy with great hands and the production to go with it (4k rushing yards).

Phillip Thomas: Under. The. Radar. He's going to get drafted late 1st or 2nd and is going to end up battling Reid and Vaccaro for top Safety. His stock is crazy low IMHO and I have him penciled in for my second round pick in my current mock.

Bonus player: David Carr's brother: Derek Carr. Good prospect and has played very well but already announced he's returning for another season.

Trogdor
12-24-2012, 08:37 PM
Wow. Hunt. Just wow. First clip: Speed move and strip sack. Second clip: Bull rush into swim move inside for a safety/sack.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8778652

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8778697

CowboysBeastMode
12-25-2012, 01:49 AM
Wow. Hunt. Just wow. First clip: Speed move and strip sack. Second clip: Bull rush into swim move inside for a safety/sack.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8778652

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8778697i still wanna see what does in the senior bowl against better competition, his strength and athleticism is obvious but the commentator pointed in the telecast how fresno st right tackle has had problems pass blocking this year so he should dominate him.

one thing i noticed he's going to have to learn how to use his hands if does that he will be force as pass rusher in the nfl, and another maybe im nitpicking but i remember when michael johnson (georgia tech de) came out he fell in the draft b/c he had thin hips and he was going to have problems anchoring at the point of attack against (much simeon rice) and hunt does seem to be a thin in the hips too, makes me think he's maybe not the best fit as 3-4 end idk maybe im nitpicking too much, but he was certainly in beast mode 2nite.

i think when all is said in done hunt will be a top 25 pick his upside is too enormous

thomas didnt show me anything 2nite he got beat on deep ball that should have been a PI and he missed the deflection on the corner route for a td.

Witten4HOF
12-25-2012, 10:27 AM
i still wanna see what does in the senior bowl against better competition, his strength and athleticism is obvious but the commentator pointed in the telecast how fresno st right tackle has had problems pass blocking this year so he should dominate him.

one thing i noticed he's going to have to learn how to use his hands if does that he will be force as pass rusher in the nfl, and another maybe im nitpicking but i remember when michael johnson (georgia tech de) came out he fell in the draft b/c he had thin hips and he was going to have problems anchoring at the point of attack against (much simeon rice) and hunt does seem to be a thin in the hips too, makes me think he's maybe not the best fit as 3-4 end idk maybe im nitpicking too much, but he was certainly in beast mode 2nite.

i think when all is said in done hunt will be a top 25 pick his upside is too enormous

thomas didnt show me anything 2nite he got beat on deep ball that should have been a PI and he missed the deflection on the corner route for a td.

Hunt would definately have to put weight on to play 5 tech but I don't think his frame is an issue. He is already a projected 6'8 280 lbs, he just has so much length it is crazy, also has an 82 in wing span to go with his height. Athleticism is his strength, he is a world class discus and hammer throw track and field guy. Technique/ establishing leverage is going to be his issue at the next level. At this point he can get by overpowering or dashing past sub par athletes but he has some natural instincts that are uncanny for someone who hasn't played ball his whole life.

I think from a prospect comparison he is similar to Calais Campbell from a physical standpoint but is a little rougher around the edges. Campbell was once thought to be better suited for a base 4-3 end but settled in nicely at 5-tech for the Cards. Their best asset might be their ability to see the the backfield and get up into the passing lanes to bat balls down.

D-Unit
12-26-2012, 05:13 PM
I think Hunt is tooo tall. He plays a position where leverage, girth and strength matters. Better fit as a 4-3 DE imo.

CowboysBeastMode
12-26-2012, 05:30 PM
1. Justin Hunter WR Tennessee

Miles Austin days in Dallas maybe done and if he is released or traded there is huge hole at WR next to Dez. Hunter started the year as top 10 pick AFTER tearing his ACL the previous season while hasn't had a bad year (79-1083-9) he had some big drops especially in traffic. Cowboys have shown an affinity for drafting injured players with big talent high in the draft and if he can continue to get back to where he was in early 2011, getting him at the bottom third of the 1st round is a steal. He is unique like AJ Green in his burst and ability get in and out breaks so like 5'11 reciever even though he 6'4. Cordarrelle Patterson the other WR at Tennessee is a possibility but he more raw as a WR right now.

http://Tennessee+v+South+Carolina+swihgWaBJyAl.jpg

2. Margus Hunt DL SMU

I know i said he'll be a first rounder, but after taking another look at the other DL prospects there alot pro ready playere that should go ahead him. Boom or bust pick, he could fit nicely as a nickel pass rusher early on, and as he continues to develop his hand usage and get bigger he could develop in to that 6-8 monster DE that we lost in Chris Canty.

http://http://www.matthewvisinsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Margus-Hunt-SMU-v.-UTEP-9-10-11-2.jpg

3. Larry Warford OG Kentucky

With the Cowboys giving more playing time to Parnell and taking Leary off the practice squad to the active roster, I really believe the starting O-line going into camp will be (left to right) Smith, Leary, Costa, Parnell. Drafting Warford fills a hole at right guard. He moves well for his size, has good awareness in pass pro and takes good angles on 2nd level blocks. He should be perfect fit, 2 athletic tackles, and undersized but athletic center and 2 young big guard who can road grade and compliment the athleticism of the rest of the line.

http://http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Recruit/212/6_177918.jpg

4. Brandon Williams - DT Missouri Southern

this pick could change as i think the were gonna be hot on NT Terrance Knighton in FA. even if we sign depth is needed. he looks like a good athlete on tape but he playing in low level football and he need some development.

http://d6673sr63mbv7.cloudfront.net/archive/x1971508472/g0002580000000000001bdbe8ffddf2542ee4e031cf7592c49 88069405f.jpg

5. TJ McDonald S USC

i know yall are think no way he falls this far but mcdonald didnt have great year (then again nobody on USC's defense did either) but his poor angles in pursuit might lend some to compare him to another USC safety bust, Taylor Mays. The depth and talent level of this safety class might push him farther than down than what he should.

http://http://heavyinthegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/tj-mcdonald.jpg

6. Michael Williams TE Alabama

Hanna is more of a flex tight end than inline TE and John Phillips hasn't is nothing more than a #artellus Bennett blocking is still missed in the running game and Williams is basically a third tackle, but he's the best run blocker in the class. he should fit nicely in the role of blocking TE that the cowboys wanted in Kellen Davis last year in FA.

http://http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2012/09/alabama-celebrate-touchdown-top-score-thumb-646x429-120924.jpg

tell me what you guys think

CowboysBeastMode
12-26-2012, 05:38 PM
I think Hunt is tooo tall. He plays a position where leverage, girth and strength matters. Better fit as a 4-3 DE imo.JJ Watt is about the same height didn't hurt him. calais campbell is 6'8 and he's turned into maybe one of the 3 best 3-4 ends in the nfl. your right that he plays too high, but being 6'8 is an advantage as a 3-4 end, they have the length to match and stack offensive tackles in the run game (same reason why jay ratliff wouldnt be the best fit at the end in the 3-4.) he could gain 30 lbs easy and he can learn to play with better leverage but he quick and agile for his size. the key for him is to learn to effectively use his hands, if he does that he will be a beast

crisco0710
12-27-2012, 10:26 AM
Bleacher report's first mock has us taking Aaron Murray in the first round. They have tons of quarterbacks going in the first but there is one familiar name not mentioned... Matt Barkley.

D-Unit
12-27-2012, 11:58 AM
Bleacher report's first mock has us taking Aaron Murray in the first round. They have tons of quarterbacks going in the first but there is one familiar name not mentioned... Matt Barkley.

:facepalm: Sounds more like the Belcher report.

D-Unit
12-27-2012, 12:08 PM
JJ Watt is about the same height didn't hurt him. calais campbell is 6'8 and he's turned into maybe one of the 3 best 3-4 ends in the nfl. your right that he plays too high, but being 6'8 is an advantage as a 3-4 end, they have the length to match and stack offensive tackles in the run game (same reason why jay ratliff wouldnt be the best fit at the end in the 3-4.) he could gain 30 lbs easy and he can learn to play with better leverage but he quick and agile for his size. the key for him is to learn to effectively use his hands, if he does that he will be a beast
Watt is 6'5, 300. Hunt is 6'8, 280. That's a different body type imo... but whatever... you can never compare people's size and accurately relate them to one another. It just doesn't work that way. Hunt is the kind of guy who will shoot up the boards because scouts will fall in love with his size and potential. It's scary to doubt him and scary to believe in him. I feel like I'm on both sides depending on the day. Sometimes I think he could really give us that wow factor. Sometimes I think why didn't he show up consistently?

He's basically the Dontari Poe of this draft, imo. Right now, I'm stand-offish cause I really like some other guys who I have much less doubts about. But I can definitely see where the love is coming from.

thule
12-27-2012, 03:46 PM
I think Hunt is tooo tall. He plays a position where leverage, girth and strength matters. Better fit as a 4-3 DE imo.

Chris Canty was 6-7....we've always liked our 5-techs to have height....longer arms make it easier for them to disengage and make plays on the edge imo.

Look at our dl now
Callaway, Rob DL 6-4 333
Crawford, Tyrone DE 6-4 285
Hatcher, Jason DL 6-6 305
Lissemore, Sean DL 6-3 303
Ratliff, Jay NT 6-4 303
Schaefering, Brian DT 6-4 295
Spears, Marcus DE 6-4 315


The two smallest guys are the 2 guys who have been playing NT this year. Height

275 is smaller than any DL we have on the roster...but we proved with Crawford last year...that we are ok with growing them in house.

thule
12-27-2012, 03:47 PM
Watt is 6'5, 300. Hunt is 6'8, 280. That's a different body type imo... but whatever... you can never compare people's size and accurately relate them to one another. It just doesn't work that way. Hunt is the kind of guy who will shoot up the boards because scouts will fall in love with his size and potential. It's scary to doubt him and scary to believe in him. I feel like I'm on both sides depending on the day. Sometimes I think he could really give us that wow factor. Sometimes I think why didn't he show up consistently?

He's basically the Dontari Poe of this draft, imo. Right now, I'm stand-offish cause I really like some other guys who I have much less doubts about. But I can definitely see where the love is coming from.

http://seniorbowl.com/files/Margus%20Hunt%20Profile.pdf

Thats why we get to see him in the senior bowl to help us with these thoughts D!

thule
12-27-2012, 04:02 PM
My pet cat of the year is

Ezekiel Ansah, DL, BYU
6'6 270 with 4.6 speed

People are comparing him to JPP and thats fine. He's going to be a risk player. But he is going to cost a first round pick because his measurables are that of an elite athlete. Talents like him don't fall far and his tape to me looked pretty good for how raw he was suppose to be. Game comes easy to him which is why I think I'd take the risk. There is a lot to read about this kid....but I hear he has a top notch motor/is high charater/ and a worker....seems to me like we could gamble on a ball of clay like this and get us a future impact player on the DL.

Here is his tape against Boise
z-JxQlaxBHU

LonghornsLegend
12-27-2012, 04:10 PM
1. Justin Hunter WR Tennessee

Miles Austin days in Dallas maybe done and if he is released or traded there is huge hole at WR next to Dez. Hunter started the year as top 10 pick AFTER tearing his ACL the previous season while hasn't had a bad year (79-1083-9) he had some big drops especially in traffic. Cowboys have shown an affinity for drafting injured players with big talent high in the draft and if he can continue to get back to where he was in early 2011, getting him at the bottom third of the 1st round is a steal. He is unique like AJ Green in his burst and ability get in and out breaks so like 5'11 reciever even though he 6'4. Cordarrelle Patterson the other WR at Tennessee is a possibility but he more raw as a WR right now.

http://Tennessee+v+South+Carolina+swihgWaBJyAl.jpg




Sorry but I would absolutely throw up if we took a WR in the 1st round. Why would we release Austin and create another unnecessary hole on the team? Austin is approaching 1000 yards and a handful of TD's, which is exactly what you want and need out of your #2 WR. It would be different if he was hurt all year, but he had some big games this year and stayed healthy, he's taken a back seat to Dez and rightfully so, but we aren't in any type of position to start releasting players in their prime to open up another hole.


I think WR is fine as is, we typically grow in house talents for the most part anyway. Austin as a 2 is just fine going forward, I love Harris as a 3, and Beasley is perfect as a 4. How about let Austin actually fall off a good bit before we go WR in round 1, that'd be fine if we didn't need any interior o-lineman or safeties.


Plus I only want 1 alpha dog at WR with Dez. That's how issues start. We'd be developing a guy who is primed to break out when we are searching for a new QB, and now we have two WR's who want the ball primarily. If we take a WR it better not be before round 4 or I'd be very upset. Austin has 2 good years left at minimum, while at that point his contract out weighs his play most likely but we are a ways away from that.

thule
12-27-2012, 04:31 PM
This isn't so much a pick I think Dallas needs to make. But I have a soft spot for EJ Manuel, QB, FSU. Great article on him.

No. 12 Florida State (11-2) won its first ACC title since 2005, and as FSU prepares to face No. 15 Northern Illinois in the Discover Orange Bowl, Manuel is looking for his fourth straight bowl win, having already beaten West Virginia, South Carolina and Notre Dame (the last time the No. 1-ranked Irish lost). This is only Manuel's second season as a full-time starter, but if FSU beats Northern Illinois, he will become only the second quarterback to win four straight bowl games, along with former West Virginia star Pat White (2005-2008).

-- FSU QB EJ Manuel, on playing while his mother was battling cancer
Manuel is 24-6 as a starter (16-3 against ACC opponents) and his career pass efficiency rating of 150.78 is slightly behind the ACC career mark of 151.15 set by former FSU Heisman Trophy winner Chris Weinke. FSU's offense has racked up over 6,000 yards for only the fourth time in school history. Despite everything he has gone through with his family this year, Manuel has helped lead Florida State back to national relevance.

I might take a shot if he was available in the 4th for the cowboys.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8777449/ej-manuel-gains-perspective-mother-battle-cancer-college-football

D-Unit
12-27-2012, 06:09 PM
This isn't so much a pick I think Dallas needs to make. But I have a soft spot for EJ Manuel, QB, FSU. Great article on him.



I might take a shot if he was available in the 4th for the cowboys.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8777449/ej-manuel-gains-perspective-mother-battle-cancer-college-football
I have a soft spot for him too and I would definitely take him in the 4th if he were there. He's one guy who showed improvement year to year and I liked that.

D-Unit
12-27-2012, 06:11 PM
My pet cat of the year is

Ezekiel Ansah, DL, BYU
6'6 270 with 4.6 speed

People are comparing him to JPP and thats fine. He's going to be a risk player. But he is going to cost a first round pick because his measurables are that of an elite athlete. Talents like him don't fall far and his tape to me looked pretty good for how raw he was suppose to be. Game comes easy to him which is why I think I'd take the risk. There is a lot to read about this kid....but I hear he has a top notch motor/is high charater/ and a worker....seems to me like we could gamble on a ball of clay like this and get us a future impact player on the DL.

Here is his tape against Boise
z-JxQlaxBHU
OLB in Round 1 makes me a sad panda. I feel like we've been there, done that but have yet to fix NT and S.

I wanna know who your pet cats are outside of Round 1!

leroyisgod
12-27-2012, 06:15 PM
OLB in Round 1 makes me a sad panda. I feel like we've been there, done that but have yet to fix NT and S.

I wanna know who your pet cats are outside of Round 1!

I don't think you address NT in the 1st round. And not Safety this year either. If we do not take a G or C in the 1st round, we've done something wrong as an organization.

D-Unit
12-27-2012, 07:26 PM
I don't think you address NT in the 1st round. And not Safety this year either. If we do not take a G or C in the 1st round, we've done something wrong as an organization.
NT - Depends, I don't rule it out when guys like Ngata and Wilfork are starring at you in the face.

S - I still say maybe. Safety is a position that post season workouts tend to help rise their stock.

G - Maybe, but I normally hate the idea of addressing this in Round 1.

C - Not normally and def not this year. Not even for Barrett Jones.

...

My favorite mock still has us taking Chance Warmack in Round 1 and Barrett Jones is Round 2.

chrlopez1
12-27-2012, 08:22 PM
I like Womack too, but I also like vacarro.......if not we could trade down and det an extra pick. I do think we need a OL FOR SURE.

looking at the roster and just thinking for next year.

OL. we need a top guard plain and simple
CB. I think we have good depth and sterling will replace Jenkins
DL. 3 or 4 th round
S. this could be the year round 1 or 2
QB. One more year.....if they want Matt from USC HE MIGHT BE THERE
RB. ROUND 3 or 4
WR. SAME GROUP
TE. SAME GROUP
LB. resign spencer if we do stays the same

My players
Round 1. Womack or vacarro
Round 2. Top OL OR SAFETY WHICHEVER WE DON'T GET IN ROUND 1

antwanboldin
12-27-2012, 11:37 PM
Sign: spencer , Andy Levitre, Danny woodhead
Cut/restructure or trade: jay Ratliff, miles Austin, Doug free

1st. Chance Warmack
2. Bacardi Rambo - FS
3. Chase Thomas - OLB - Stanford
4. Tank carradine - 6'4/250- De - fSU -
5. Silas redd - RB : USC - this dude is a scary runner to face IMO

thule
12-28-2012, 02:59 AM
OLB in Round 1 makes me a sad panda. I feel like we've been there, done that but have yet to fix NT and S.

I wanna know who your pet cats are outside of Round 1!

I'm projecting him to play any of the spots on the DL besides NT. He will take a good year of NFL diet and work out. So year one I see him as a 3rd down rusher similar to Aldon his rookie year. He has experience at 3-tech 5-tech and 7-tech or 2 point. He has athleticism to play in space if needed. If he is putting on 10-15lbs of muscle year 1...He is your dominant year 2 transformation into an elite 5-tech you hope. Maybe he just turns into a situational pass rusher still in year 2 because he still isn't strong enough at the point of attack to stand up against the run. Even Aldon wasn't starting 100% of the snaps this year...so we don't even need to get top production out of him year 2. But by year 3 if you develop him properly...he has everything you look for and a work ethic and character to boot. He will be drafted very similar to the year JPP went to the Giants. We are in similar position this year....we aren't going to have a shot at a elite player...so getting a potential dominant DL player outside the top 15 is a good pick to me.

CowboysBeastMode
12-28-2012, 04:08 AM
Sorry but I would absolutely throw up if we took a WR in the 1st round. Why would we release Austin and create another unnecessary hole on the team? Austin is approaching 1000 yards and a handful of TD's, which is exactly what you want and need out of your #2 WR. It would be different if he was hurt all year, but he had some big games this year and stayed healthy, he's taken a back seat to Dez and rightfully so, but we aren't in any type of position to start releasting players in their prime to open up another hole.


I think WR is fine as is, we typically grow in house talents for the most part anyway. Austin as a 2 is just fine going forward, I love Harris as a 3, and Beasley is perfect as a 4. How about let Austin actually fall off a good bit before we go WR in round 1, that'd be fine if we didn't need any interior o-lineman or safeties.


Plus I only want 1 alpha dog at WR with Dez. That's how issues start. We'd be developing a guy who is primed to break out when we are searching for a new QB, and now we have two WR's who want the ball primarily. If we take a WR it better not be before round 4 or I'd be very upset. Austin has 2 good years left at minimum, while at that point his contract out weighs his play most likely but we are a ways away from that.austin's numbers look good at first glance but his completion/target % is bad and his impact has been little in the cowboys surge, he has cracked 50 yards twice (58 against cleveland and 79 against Pittsburgh's 4th string corner). i don't think miles austin will ever be the same player that he was 3 years ago, he doesnt trust his hamstrings, i've seen him multiple times this year gear it down on deep routes b/c he was afraid to open up and run full speed and risk re-injury. the cowboys are very much up against the cap with the franchise qb coming up at the end of his deal and the mvp of the defense is free agent plus the 5 million minus on the cap, if miles austin is unwilling to restructure his contract, he would right next to doug free and jay ratliff on the chopping block. he has the least amount of dead money to eat out of all them too.

i don't see jerry taking a guard in round 1 and he could take a safety but they already paid church and there doesnt seem to be a big time nose tackle prospect available where were picking in the first.

having two alpha dog wr's on the outside can help the running game too b/c it will force defense to play both safeties back more. and miles over the last 2 years has not been a great veritcal threat he done most his damage in the slot. plus if dez or miles is seriously injured i dont believe the collection of harris, beasley and any reciever we get would get at the bottom half of the draft would really do enough damage over considerable stretch of games.

Witten4HOF
12-28-2012, 07:07 AM
austin's numbers look good at first glance but his completion/target % is bad and his impact has been little in the cowboys surge, he has cracked 50 yards twice (58 against cleveland and 79 against Pittsburgh's 4th string corner). i don't think miles austin will ever be the same player that he was 3 years ago, he doesnt trust his hamstrings, i've seen him multiple times this year gear it down on deep routes b/c he was afraid to open up and run full speed and risk re-injury. the cowboys are very much up against the cap with the franchise qb coming up at the end of his deal and the mvp of the defense is free agent plus the 5 million minus on the cap, if miles austin is unwilling to restructure his contract, he would right next to doug free and jay ratliff on the chopping block. he has the least amount of dead money to eat out of all them too.

i don't see jerry taking a guard in round 1 and he could take a safety but they already paid church and there doesnt seem to be a big time nose tackle prospect available where were picking in the first.

having two alpha dog wr's on the outside can help the running game too b/c it will force defense to play both safeties back more. and miles over the last 2 years has not been a great veritcal threat he done most his damage in the slot. plus if dez or miles is seriously injured i dont believe the collection of harris, beasley and any reciever we get would get at the bottom half of the draft would really do enough damage over considerable stretch of games.

I think Harris is a developing WR who can play on the outside in a pinch, by no means is he a game breaker but I think he can certainly be servicable. Beasley looks like he will be our slot WR of the future and Danny Coale basically hurt all year might have something to prove coming into camp. I would't mind drafting a big guy in the mid rounds to try and develop into a future starter.

As for guard I agree with you for the most part, I think Ron Leary will be given every opportunity to project himself into the starting lineup. Jerry proved that but giving him such a high bonus for an undrafted player and signing him to the active roster this past week to block someone from snatching him off of the practice squad.

I think Bernadeau and Kowalski can provide depth at guard and will compete with Costa for the starting center spot. Livings has been pretty solid at LG, Parnell will battle Free for the RT position so it might be a possbility that we don't see a major impact in the draft when it comes to lineman.

I am really a fan of the NT prospects in this class... John Jenkins is a monster and could do wonders maximizing our great Linebackers. He won't provide much pass rush but can easily plug in Ratliff or Lissemore to rush on third down.

Might be a year where we try to sell the pick and make up for the 2nd rd pick we lots moving up for Claiborne.

LonghornsLegend
12-28-2012, 08:02 AM
austin's numbers look good at first glance but his completion/target % is bad and his impact has been little in the cowboys surge, he has cracked 50 yards twice (58 against cleveland and 79 against Pittsburgh's 4th string corner). i don't think miles austin will ever be the same player that he was 3 years ago, he doesnt trust his hamstrings, i've seen him multiple times this year gear it down on deep routes b/c he was afraid to open up and run full speed and risk re-injury. the cowboys are very much up against the cap with the franchise qb coming up at the end of his deal and the mvp of the defense is free agent plus the 5 million minus on the cap, if miles austin is unwilling to restructure his contract, he would right next to doug free and jay ratliff on the chopping block. he has the least amount of dead money to eat out of all them too.

i don't see jerry taking a guard in round 1 and he could take a safety but they already paid church and there doesnt seem to be a big time nose tackle prospect available where were picking in the first.

having two alpha dog wr's on the outside can help the running game too b/c it will force defense to play both safeties back more. and miles over the last 2 years has not been a great veritcal threat he done most his damage in the slot. plus if dez or miles is seriously injured i dont believe the collection of harris, beasley and any reciever we get would get at the bottom half of the draft would really do enough damage over considerable stretch of games.


I'm not arguing that Austin is a stud, I'm just saying with our defense in shambles right now, and our interior offensive line so bad, we aren't taking a WR in the 1st round and cutting Austin. Those would be two of the dumbest things ever. Plus if it took us this long to just start rotating in Parnell for Free after he has sucked for ever, we aren't cutting Austin coming off a 1000 yard season. Who does that? WR's that produce like that in their 20's don't get released. We just have way too many team needs to be creating holes somewhere that there isn't.

TheFinisher
12-28-2012, 08:46 AM
I don't think we'll be thinking about offensive skill players early, but I love Tavon Austin. He's going to be a matchup nightmare inside for whoever gets him. Can you imagine the headaches we'd give defensive coordinators with Tavon inside slicing up LB and S with Dez on the outside taking the top off?

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LonghornsLegend
12-28-2012, 09:00 AM
Austin is probably my favorite wideout in this class though, I think he'll be a stud. Personally I want to see Harris grow into that #3 WR role. He's not a high draft pick or anything but everytime he's been given a shot he's made a play. On screens to get the 1st down, fights for yards, big plays, etc, he's came through numerous times as the year went on. He has been huge down the stretch.

TheFinisher
12-28-2012, 09:20 AM
Austin is probably my favorite wideout in this class though, I think he'll be a stud. Personally I want to see Harris grow into that #3 WR role. He's not a high draft pick or anything but everytime he's been given a shot he's made a play. On screens to get the 1st down, fights for yards, big plays, etc, he's came through numerous times as the year went on. He has been huge down the stretch.

Yea Harris has made some key plays down the stretch, he's got a nice skillset to play inside too. Tough, elusive, smart... I would welcome him as the #3 guy going into the season next year.

How would you feel if we did draft Tavon in the 1st though? His versatility is unique, I've seen comparisons to Sproles but Tavon looks like a more natural slot WR... although he could line up in the backfield too. Then there's the KR ability which could be elite in the NFL. I just don't think I've seen a triple threat like him, maybe Percy Harvin but Tavon has even better vision and moves in the open field.

DL, OL and S all need some new blood, but say we addressed DL and OL in FA with a couple stop-gap vets and the team is set on giving Barry Church his chance at Safety. I think that with a move or two in FA we're close to being able to go BPA. If we grabbed Tavon in R1 we can still beef up the trenches with young guys Rounds 2-4.

Witten4HOF
12-28-2012, 09:30 AM
Yea Harris has made some key plays down the stretch, he's got a nice skillset to play inside too. Tough, elusive, smart... I would welcome him as the #3 guy going into the season next year.

How would you feel if we did draft Tavon in the 1st though? His versatility is unique, I've seen comparisons to Sproles but Tavon looks like a more natural slot WR... although he could line up in the backfield too. Then there's the KR ability which could be elite in the NFL. I just don't think I've seen a triple threat like him, maybe Percy Harvin but Tavon has even better vision and moves in the open field.

DL, OL and S all need some new blood, but say we addressed DL and OL in FA with a couple stop-gap vets and the team is set on giving Barry Church his chance at Safety. I think that with a move or two in FA we're close to being able to go BPA. If we grabbed Tavon in R1 we can still beef up the trenches with young guys Rounds 2-4.

I think we are too broke at a number of positions to burn a #1 on Austin. Maybe if we traded out out of the 1st and picked up an extra #2 we could make it work.

I think safety is a possibility if we really lock onto somebody.. Im personally a fan of converted safeties in Rhodes and Amerson as late 1st rounders. Church certainly will have a roll regardless and always can get some burn as a coverage LB.

As much as I'd love to gets some help on the o-line I have a feeling that they are infactuated with making the current personel work some how.

LonghornsLegend
12-28-2012, 09:30 AM
Yea Harris has made some key plays down the stretch, he's got a nice skillset to play inside too. Tough, elusive, smart... I would welcome him as the #3 guy going into the season next year.

How would you feel if we did draft Tavon in the 1st though? His versatility is unique, I've seen comparisons to Sproles but Tavon looks like a more natural slot WR... although he could line up in the backfield too. Then there's the KR ability which could be elite in the NFL. I just don't think I've seen a triple threat like him, maybe Percy Harvin but Tavon has even better vision and moves in the open field.

DL, OL and S all need some new blood, but say we addressed DL and OL in FA with a couple stop-gap vets and the team is set on giving Barry Church his chance at Safety. I think that with a move or two in FA we're close to being able to go BPA. If we grabbed Tavon in R1 we can still beef up the trenches with young guys Rounds 2-4.



I'm torn on it. I look it kinda like now, what if we had a more explosive #3 WR, would we be that much better? Our offense is rolling right now as is. But what if we had an impact FS? or an impact D-lineman, or a Center for once? Our safeties are starting to look like the Roy Williams days, I re-watched the Thanksgiving game again on NFLN last night and RGIII destroyed us deep through the air. They set us up with the run and those fakes and when they go deep it's easy completions.


While on offense I see it like Dez is the guy the offense goes through, Witten moves the chains and still does a great job, Murray pounds the rock, and outside of that I think Austin/Harris is enough for the leftovers. What I saw from Harris in the Pittsburgh game showed me that we are good with him, and typically we do good developing UDFA WR's also.


I just don't want a flashy pick, probably because we don't need it. I'd take Reid at Safety over every WR prospect this year pretty easily, and probably both Warmack and Cooper also. If those 3 are gone Austin moves up on my board because I just think dude is a stud, but at some point we have to upgrade the interior of this line before adding any more weapons or we will be seeing the same old thing happening again.

Witten4HOF
12-28-2012, 09:52 AM
Something else that had crossed my mind recently is is possibly shifting to a conventional 4-3 look on defense. Jerry had mentioned that if we hadn't traded up for Claiborne last year the pick would have been Bobby Wagner. Im not quite sure how he would have fit if Rob didn't convert the front 7 unless they had no faith in Carter.

Lissemore looks like he could be a natuaral fit for a NT in the 4-3... Spencer/ Ware would have no problem rushing with their hands in the ground... Church can play either Will or SS depending how Rob wanted to set up the secondary. Lee/Carter would be an amazing Mike/Sam combo while Sims, Albright and Connor are all solid fill ins.

LonghornsLegend
12-28-2012, 10:49 AM
Something else that had crossed my mind recently is is possibly shifting to a conventional 4-3 look on defense. Jerry had mentioned that if we hadn't traded up for Claiborne last year the pick would have been Bobby Wagner. Im not quite sure how he would have fit if Rob didn't convert the front 7 unless they had no faith in Carter.

Lissemore looks like he could be a natuaral fit for a NT in the 4-3... Spencer/ Ware would have no problem rushing with their hands in the ground... Church can play either Will or SS depending how Rob wanted to set up the secondary. Lee/Carter would be an amazing Mike/Sam combo while Sims, Albright and Connor are all solid fill ins.

That's interesting to hear. I love Wagner this year, had no idea he was on our radar, seems like a weird pick with all the CB help we needed to take another LB that if we stayed in the 3-4 would have been coming off the bench most of the year. I'm partial on a switch. I think we have the personnel to do it, but I just love the way Lee & Carter fit inside, and would prefer to build around our LB core as is.


If we could find an impact player up front, and an impact Safety, we would be so much better off. But I wouldn't gripe much if we did change, just want to see our ILB's grow more in the same scheme.

CowboysBeastMode
12-28-2012, 01:28 PM
I'm not arguing that Austin is a stud, I'm just saying with our defense in shambles right now, and our interior offensive line so bad, we aren't taking a WR in the 1st round and cutting Austin. Those would be two of the dumbest things ever. Plus if it took us this long to just start rotating in Parnell for Free after he has sucked for ever, we aren't cutting Austin coming off a 1000 yard season. Who does that? WR's that produce like that in their 20's don't get released. We just have way too many team needs to be creating holes somewhere that there isn't.parnell has played well enough to at least compete for a starting rt next, the cowboys like leary especially since they brought him up from the practice squad to protect from someone else signing him and livings has been adequate overall, so i don't see offensive line being a first round priority in the mind of jj b/c he has won super bowls by developing interior lineman.

the defensive isn't in shambles there just an especiall y unusual amount of injuries and lee and carter will be back and so will church next year as well as scandrick when everybody was healthy the defense was pretty good. the only possible defensive picks would be safety or nose tackle. good chance vacarro goes before were on the board. not sure if any of other guys are sure fire first rounders. i see the cowboys taking long look at nose tackle in fa (terrance knighton) and we have corners. so if jj and jg like some of the inhouse candidates at o-line and some the defensive players that we like aren't on the board and there no running back worthy of fisrt rounder the next position of need is wr.

austin's hamstrings can't be trusted, dez in the offseason is still a question mark. any injury to miles or dez could be devasting b/c harris and beasley arent capable 2 and 3 options in a passing attack that's all about the vertical passing game. the history of jj in the 1st round is trading and taking skill players, so i'm expecting a skill player in the 1st round

LonghornsLegend
12-28-2012, 01:36 PM
parnell has played well enough to at least compete for a starting rt next, the cowboys like leary especially since they brought him up from the practice squad to protect from someone else signing him and livings has been adequate overall, so i don't see offensive line being a first round priority in the mind of jj b/c he has won super bowls by developing interior lineman.

the defensive isn't in shambles there just an especiall y unusual amount of injuries and lee and carter will be back and so will church next year as well as scandrick when everybody was healthy the defense was pretty good. the only possible defensive picks would be safety or nose tackle. good chance vacarro goes before were on the board. not sure if any of other guys are sure fire first rounders. i see the cowboys taking long look at nose tackle in fa (terrance knighton) and we have corners. so if jj and jg like some of the inhouse candidates at o-line and some the defensive players that we like aren't on the board and there no running back worthy of fisrt rounder the next position of need is wr.

austin's hamstrings can't be trusted, dez in the offseason is still a question mark. any injury to miles or dez could be devasting b/c think harris and beasley are capable 2 and 3 options in a passing attack that's all about the vertical passing game. the history of jj in the 1st round is trading and taking skill players, so i'm expecting a skill player in the 1st round



I'm hoping we start Parnell next year at RT, not a lock but we can only hope. And besides Dez when is the last time we drafted a WR in the 1st round? I honestly don't even know who that would be because Antonio Bryant was a 2nd rounder and Roy was a trade. More then anything we have developed WR's or taken them late if you look at the rotations we have had below our top WR.


As far as your last paragraph, if that is how you feel then we would need a WR in the 1st round every year. We'll just agree to disagree there. Literally the last thing on this teams list of needs for 2013 is a WR in the 1st, if we take a guy that ends up good sure I'll root for him and be happy. But even with everyone healthy on D our Safeties are attrocious and Reid actually looks like he's hovering where our pick will be. It makes no sense to cut a WR who had a 1000 yard season to create a hole to take a guy in the 1st round, and continue into next year with literally the exact same problems.


But hey, at least we would have improved our #2 WR position, which was definately a problem this year and the reason we didn't win more games right? A back-up RB for Murray is far, far more important then a WR. I'm also just of the school of thought that you don't draft multiple WR's in the 1st round so close together with holes to fill. if we were a team who didn't have the holes we do at NT, Guard, Center, and Safety, then sure, let's just go BPA. But I'm positive there will be players at those positions with 1st round grades, we aren't in a situation to take luxury picks IMO.

CowboysBeastMode
12-28-2012, 02:10 PM
I'm hoping we start Parnell next year at RT, not a lock but we can only hope. And besides Dez when is the last time we drafted a WR in the 1st round? I honestly don't even know who that would be because Antonio Bryant was a 2nd rounder and Roy was a trade. More then anything we have developed WR's or taken them late if you look at the rotations we have had below our top WR.


As far as your last paragraph, if that is how you feel then we would need a WR in the 1st round every year. We'll just agree to disagree there. Literally the last thing on this teams list of needs for 2013 is a WR in the 1st, if we take a guy that ends up good sure I'll root for him and be happy. But even with everyone healthy on D our Safeties are attrocious and Reid actually looks like he's hovering where our pick will be. It makes no sense to cut a WR who had a 1000 yard season to create a hole to take a guy in the 1st round, and continue into next year with literally the exact same problems.


But hey, at least we would have improved our #2 WR position, which was definately a problem this year and the reason we didn't win more games right? A back-up RB for Murray is far, far more important then a WR. I'm also just of the school of thought that you don't draft multiple WR's in the 1st round so close together with holes to fill. if we were a team who didn't have the holes we do at NT, Guard, Center, and Safety, then sure, let's just go BPA. But I'm positive there will be players at those positions with 1st round grades, we aren't in a situation to take luxury picks IMO.this deep draft for safeties i would have no issue passing on reid in the first and taking amerson or jefferson in the second. what rb would take in the first? and besides murray is the type of back that needs the ball 20-25 he gets better as the game wears on. if you were gonna take a back in the first round he gonna spend alot of time on the bench. what center u gonna take in the first round? none b/c there is nobody worthy. kawann short could be possible but he has weight and conditioning issues. imo guard,center, safety have alot optiona beyond the first round so if a wr who can push miles and his bad hamstrings and extremely bloated contract of the roster then so be it, we could use the cap space from him to sign a fa to fill a hole.

LonghornsLegend
12-28-2012, 02:53 PM
Oh no I don't want a RB in the 1st at all, but I put it higher on up our teams need list before a second WR. I also don't want to cut anyone who can still play. That day with Austin probably isn't far away, but as of now I don't see him ready to be cut. I would be ok waiting on Safety, or Guard also. I just feel like that 1st we should be trying to get an impact player for a position we are struggling at.


We have done plenty of taking Guards and Safeties in the mid rounds and basically none of them have amounted to anything. If we go into next year without some massive upgrades at either spot, Romo is going to continually be running for his life, and teams like the Redskins will be throwing it over our heads all game. Barry Church is hardly a reason to not draft a Safety.


If I were to list out our team needs, and areas to improve next year to make a serious run, WR would be almost near the bottom, for me at least.

CowboysBeastMode
12-28-2012, 05:00 PM
Oh no I don't want a RB in the 1st at all, but I put it higher on up our teams need list before a second WR. I also don't want to cut anyone who can still play. That day with Austin probably isn't far away, but as of now I don't see him ready to be cut. I would be ok waiting on Safety, or Guard also. I just feel like that 1st we should be trying to get an impact player for a position we are struggling at.


We have done plenty of taking Guards and Safeties in the mid rounds and basically none of them have amounted to anything. If we go into next year without some massive upgrades at either spot, Romo is going to continually be running for his life, and teams like the Redskins will be throwing it over our heads all game. Barry Church is hardly a reason to not draft a Safety.


If I were to list out our team needs, and areas to improve next year to make a serious run, WR would be almost near the bottom, for me at least.right judging what i think will be on the board there will be outside linebackers,cooper, elam, reid and sheldon richardson and but no offensive tackles, no centers. wr would the best talent on the board besides some of the other guys i listed, unless you want to take a qb like glennon or gamble on tyler bray. i feel like if you get a reciever your protected from another miles austin hamstring injury and dez's play style always lend himself to get hurt, i dont see it as luxury pick if a wr is the bpa, bc were one injury from being in big trouble at wr and it gives you the ability to get him acclimated in the offense and gives you depth at wr. if i had my choice i would take vacarro, sylvester williams, then warmack but i dont see any of those players getting out of the top 18 picks

CowboysBeastMode
12-28-2012, 05:04 PM
OLB in Round 1 makes me a sad panda. I feel like we've been there, done that but have yet to fix NT and S.

I wanna know who your pet cats are outside of Round 1!my pet cat is larry warford OG from kentucky, im surprised barrett jones is getting more love on this board than him

Witten4HOF
12-29-2012, 09:55 AM
my pet cat is larry warford OG from kentucky, im surprised barrett jones is getting more love on this board than him

I think you might be riding the hot name with Warford. I brought him up a couple of months ago and it seemed like no one knew who he was. No slight on him but Jones is the better prospect all the way around. Barrett is much better in pass protection has solid technique and good feet to anchor. As for run blocking he knows where the run is designed and does a nice job of using angles to wall of defenders. When he is the free lineman he does a nice job of getting to the second level and attacking linebackers. He will never be a mauler but has a nice frame to add good weight and strength to.

Warford best asset is his size. Teams are intrigued with his ability to drive of the ball in the run game and establish a new LOS. He uses his hands effectively when fresh but wears down throughout the game. When he locks on he has the ability to drive block and steer defenders due to his natural strength. Mobility is above average for his size but won't be an asset at the second level. In pass protection he holds a wide base and has good slide ability but can be beat of the snap. Technique goes out the window as the game wears on and will begin to lunge at opponents loosing balance and leverage. Has some awareness against stunts and delayed blitzes .. Stays home and defends his gaps, occasionally will combo block with center or tackle.

Simple case of Jones has too much tape and evaluators are starting to find a ceiling for his game while Warford has great natural abilities and scouts love his potential. Day one Jones is a much better option at guard. Add in the fact he can play center and a little tackle makes him an even better fit.

CowboysBeastMode
12-29-2012, 12:14 PM
New Mock Draft

1. Trade 3rd round pick to move up and take Kenny Vacarro
2. Trade Back in the second to the top of the 3rd and pick up a 4th and select Larry Warford
3. With the first 4th round take Shamarko Thomas
4. With 2nd 4th rounder take Ed Lacy
5. Josh Downs DT LSU
6. Marcus Davis WR Va Tech

thule
12-30-2012, 04:21 AM
Great article on Matt Elam a safety I have my eye on if he declares which is what seems to be the consensus at this point.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1222/scouts_elam5_400.jpg

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/college-football/florida-junior-safety-matt-elam-could-be-bound-for/nThpk/

He arrived in Gainesville in January 2010 with an unrealistic vision of what he would do. He twice won the Lou Groza Award as the county’s best high school player — he is the only two-time recipient – and figured he would dominate in college, too.
He quickly learned otherwise. He went from being a player whom former coach Urban Meyer described as “dumpy” and “chubby” in his first season to 4 percent body fat. Teammates said he was selfish as a freshman, but now credit him as a leader.
“It’s a complete 360,” Dwyer coach Jack Daniels said. “He got up there and thought he’d be a star right away, and that’s all he cared about, but that doesn’t happen much. Matt had never been asked to be patient, and it was tough for him.
“Now he’s out there playing for the other guys and the team. It’s a big difference.”
Others saw the transformation, too, and the entire secondary benefited from it.
“You were the man at your high school, then you come in and it’s all about me, but after that falls out the window you realize, ‘I’ve got a whole team to take care of,’ ” defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd said. “That’s where he grew. He takes care of the DBs.”
Elam was exceptional this season, earning All-America honors from the Associated Press. He was arguably the best player on the nation’s No. 5 defense.
He led the Gators (11-1, third in the BCS standings) with four interceptions and was second in tackles at 65. In their signature win over LSU in October, he saved the game by chasing down receiver Odell Beckham on a 56-yard reception and stripping the ball from him.
Plays like that make NFL teams covet him. They also like his 5-foot-10, 202-pound build (identical to that of Pro Bowl safety Earl Thomas), his speed and his jarring hits.
Elam has until the Jan. 15 deadline to decide whether he will enter the draft. He refused to speak publicly about it all year, and coach Will Muschamp will not address it until after the game against Louisville (10-2, No. 21 in the BCS).
Daniels, however, long expected him to turn pro at this point and now believes it is inevitable.
“I think he’s got his mind made up,” he said. “He’s gone.
“He has the opportunity to be a high draft choice and make more in his signing bonus than most people make in 30 years. It’d be a bad business decision if he didn’t. If somebody told you they’d pay you a million dollars, would you go back to school?”

chrlopez1
12-30-2012, 11:31 PM
Time to talk draft..........OL or DL. OR SAFETY..

dsc1600
12-31-2012, 10:49 AM
We have varying degrees of needs.

We desperately need a guard and center, and an upgrade at safety (although how much do you want to bet we go in with Chruch and Sensy with no quality backups yet again in 2013). Those are dire needs, same as every year.

We need more quality depth on the DL and a replacement for Ratliff, a 2nd RB, and an upgrade over Austin. These I would put as secondary to the dire needs above.

CowboysBeastMode
12-31-2012, 11:19 AM
We have varying degrees of needs.

We desperately need a guard and center, and an upgrade at safety (although how much do you want to bet we go in with Chruch and Sensy with no quality backups yet again in 2013). Those are dire needs, same as every year.

We need more quality depth on the DL and a replacement for Ratliff, a 2nd RB, and an upgrade over Austin. These I would put as secondary to the dire needs above.the safeties needing upgrading but adding a safety won't make the defense an elite defense. we need a gamewrecker in the middle at nt. if we add a disruptive player in the middle of the defense, that would make sean lee and bruce carter better so they dont have to avoid blockers and they make plays coming downhill and someone who can collapse the pocket and not allow qbs to step up and which will make ware and spencer easier which would mean they secondary doesnt have to cover nearly as long.

offensively we need help everywhere o-line and rb with some speed and better option at recievers other than just dez or witten. as much blame that goes on romo and it should, washington wouldnt have been able to blitz like they did if we had anybody else besides to dez to get open and make them pay for playing such a high risk defense

Macarthur
12-31-2012, 01:16 PM
We have got to invest in the trenches. I think we need to sign one OL and one DL and draft 3 of the first 4 picks either OL or DL.

Macarthur
12-31-2012, 02:03 PM
What do you guys think about Wingo or Knile out of Arkansas? For some reason, I would really like to go with size for our backup RB. Keep Dunbar and try to get him 2 or 3 touches a game. Then bring in someone like Wingo to pound the rock when Murray is out.

They both also catch the ball well.

leroyisgod
12-31-2012, 02:56 PM
Thoughts on Geno Smith in the 1st round? Might be time to look to the future @ QB.

Witten4HOF
01-01-2013, 09:05 PM
In case anyone was wondering we are locked into pick #18

chrlopez1
01-01-2013, 09:54 PM
OL OR SAFETY. unless a DE/OLB falls

chrlopez1
01-01-2013, 10:21 PM
My first mock of players I like for cowboys.
1rd. Cooper, Womack, Mathews OL. OR
2rd. Elam, Jefferson.......or top rated center Frederick from Wisconsin
3rd. RB Bell or Barner, OC KALID HOLMES
4th. Brandon Williams. DT.

JUST FOR FUN.....USED OTHER SOURCES.....

chrlopez1
01-01-2013, 10:26 PM
Not Geno.......

Witten4HOF
01-02-2013, 05:42 AM
I don't know if anyone here follows Broaddus on twitter but he is really good about answering a ton of fan questions. Some interesting things he said over the last couple of days:

Mackenzy Bernadeau should get another look at Center, could battle Costa for the starting spot. Does not think Cook is resigned in the offseason.

Alex Albright has starting OLB talent, very good poa player. Not a dynamic pass rusher but is well rounded.

Would not take a safety in the first round regardless what safeties are still on the board.

Looking at the DL in the first round not OL.

leroyisgod
01-02-2013, 08:18 AM
I don't know if anyone here follows Broaddus on twitter but he is really good about answering a ton of fan questions. Some interesting things he said over the last couple of days:

Mackenzy Bernadeau should get another look at Center, could battle Costa for the starting spot. Does not think Cook is resigned in the offseason.

Alex Albright has starting OLB talent, very good poa player. Not a dynamic pass rusher but is well rounded.

Would not take a safety in the first round regardless what safeties are still on the board.

Looking at the DL in the first round not OL.

I'd say I have to agree w/him about our Safety situation. Due to Church's injury early in the season we didn't get a good look at him. I would like to address Safety in the 3rd round though.

As far as Bernadeau, I say give him a look in the preseason. But I think drafting someone or a FA is in store.

I don't agree with him about OL though. That is unless we address our G situation in FA.

DL, I have to agree with him though. We need both a NT and DE help in a MAJOR way!!!

Macarthur
01-02-2013, 09:22 AM
I think you get more impact at DL in the first. Generally, impact DL are found far less in lower rounds than pretty much any position. I think we almost have to go DL in the first.

It would help if we could sign someone like Levitre in FA to take a bit of pressure off the OL in the draft.

Witten4HOF
01-02-2013, 09:45 AM
I think you get more impact at DL in the first. Generally, impact DL are found far less in lower rounds than pretty much any position. I think we almost have to go DL in the first.

It would help if we could sign someone like Levitre in FA to take a bit of pressure off the OL in the draft.

I don't know how much noise we can make in free agency. I have to look up exact figures but I dont think we have a ton of wiggle room especially since we have the league imposed cap hold because of Austin's "illegal contract"

Macarthur
01-02-2013, 10:39 AM
I don't know how much noise we can make in free agency. I have to look up exact figures but I dont think we have a ton of wiggle room especially since we have the league imposed cap hold because of Austin's "illegal contract"

Yeah, I know we will be strapped, but I think we will be able to carve out enough room for one decent signing.

Witten4HOF
01-02-2013, 11:15 AM
Yeah, I know we will be strapped, but I think we will be able to carve out enough room for one decent signing.

I think it all depends on how much the team values Spencer, he could demand a pretty good payday. Brandon Carr can rework his deal and create up to 10.5 mil in space, same can be said for Romo when he gets extended. We will have some holes to fill in reserve spots as well. I think guys like Frampton and Sims can be resigned for cheap and someone like Connor could get the axe.

It will be interesting to see what the front office has in plan for Free, he makes far to much money to ride the bench but if cut he accounts for 7 mil of dead money next year.

dsc1600
01-02-2013, 11:46 AM
I love how it's the same conversation every year. We refuse to address the most dire needs of our franchise (interior line and safety) in rd 1 because "the value isn't there". So then we "address" the situation by signing mediocre to crap talent and pretend we go into the draft with no needs.

Safety/Guard or Guard/Safety, get it fixed, unless someone really special along the DL drops to you at 18.

Witten4HOF
01-02-2013, 12:09 PM
I love how it's the same conversation every year. We refuse to address the most dire needs of our franchise (interior line and safety) in rd 1 because "the value isn't there". So then we "address" the situation by signing mediocre to crap talent and pretend we go into the draft with no needs.

Safety/Guard or Guard/Safety, get it fixed, unless someone really special along the DL drops to you at 18.

The problem is that it is completely possible to find good talent in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds when it comes to ther interior line our scouting department just seems to repeatedly strike out. Im not sure what criteria they use to evaluate the lineman but it always looks like they reach for guys who simply don't have the physical tools to compete at the next level.

I agree with Broaddus and some others who believe that we can probably groom Bernadeu to play center. He has good stength and can be an asset against 3-4 teams with his ability to single block the nose tackle. Livings was actually better then advertised, LT is locked in, and the RT will either be Free or Parnell. That leaves RG as a big whole and we would either need a FA or someone who is plug and play ready in the draft.

Safety is not going to get addressed early imo. The team likes Sensabaugh and Church is going to get another swing as SS. I think an interesting pick would be Shamarko Thomas of Syracuse in the third round, he is undersized but has great athleticism and always finds his way around the ball.

This defense needs an impact player in the worst way to take the unit to the next level. I would perfer a two gap NT to help collapse the pocket, which there is plenty of with 1st round grades, but I wouldn't sleep on someone like Ezekiel Ansah at 5-tech.

Go Cowboys
01-02-2013, 04:07 PM
I'm a little behind but what are some names people are thinking about at this stage? Whether it be NT or S or even OL?

Macarthur
01-02-2013, 04:15 PM
I've seen two mocks with us taking Warmack. I would be good with that.

Witten4HOF
01-02-2013, 04:22 PM
I'm a little behind but what are some names people are thinking about at this stage? Whether it be NT or S or even OL?

This is actually a very good year for NT and there is a variety of different athletes. Jonathan Hankins, Sylvester Williams, Johnathan Jenkins, Jesse Williams and Kawann Short could all be top 50 picks.

As for safeties Kenny Vaccaro and Eric Reid lead the class, Matt Elam is a guy who could raise into the 1st round. Converted corners in Xavier Rhodes and David Amerson could also be options for FS.

Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper at the two best guards in the draft and should be 1st rounders. Barrett Jones has a wide range for C/G and could go from the 1st to late 2nd. Larry Warford is viewed as a solid second round mauler and a sleeper is Kyle Long of Oregon.

leroyisgod
01-02-2013, 07:34 PM
I've seen two mocks with us taking Warmack. I would be good with that.

I'd be stoked with Warmack, but I'm not sure if he'll be available @ 18.

D-Unit
01-02-2013, 07:42 PM
In the forum mock I took Cooper at 18 and felt great about it. Warmack went 16 to the Rams. Personally, I think Cooper is a better fit for us anyways. He fits the new school NFL. Warmack is more suited for the old school. I think we can do more with Cooper, especially on the move. He's a freak of an athlete like Tyron.

I think we could keep Cooper at LG where he's comfortable playing and put Livings at RG. Smith and Cooper can man the left side of our line for their entire careers! I love that thought.

I tried trading down to get some draft value, but teams weren't really interested in moving up to 18 and having to give up a pick. The value of the players in that range aren't significantly different. An early 2nd rounder can fill the needs similar to that of a mid 1st rounder.

TheFinisher
01-03-2013, 09:20 PM
In the forum mock I took Cooper at 18 and felt great about it. Warmack went 16 to the Rams. Personally, I think Cooper is a better fit for us anyways. He fits the new school NFL. Warmack is more suited for the old school. I think we can do more with Cooper, especially on the move. He's a freak of an athlete like Tyron.

I think we could keep Cooper at LG where he's comfortable playing and put Livings at RG. Smith and Cooper can man the left side of our line for their entire careers! I love that thought.

I tried trading down to get some draft value, but teams weren't really interested in moving up to 18 and having to give up a pick. The value of the players in that range aren't significantly different. An early 2nd rounder can fill the needs similar to that of a mid 1st rounder.

Cooper was a good pick, I'd be very satisfied with him in the first.

However, I'm not a big fan of Barrett Jones and trading up to nab him while a safety like Reid is sitting there is not what I'd have done.

I get it though, i know you're high on him... But I'd be pretty frustrated if the team passed up an opportunity like that to finally fix the safety position.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
01-03-2013, 09:29 PM
I tried trading down to get some draft value, but teams weren't really interested in moving up to 18 and having to give up a pick. The value of the players in that range aren't significantly different. An early 2nd rounder can fill the needs similar to that of a mid 1st rounder.

I haven't really started looking at anyone yet, but I agree with this so far. Seems weak at the top, but pretty thick with decent talent into the second/third

D-Unit
01-04-2013, 06:26 PM
Third phase of the forum mock draft went down. Kind of a shocker, but I traded Miles Austin. *gasp* Yeah, I know... It wasn't easy trading him. For one, I know it takes away one of Tony's reliable weapons and he's had a very good impact for us.

Conversely, it wasn't easy trading him because other teams are very wary of his health and his contract. In fact, I had a deal with Jacksonville (Austin and our 2nd for their 2nd), but it was rejected by the trade commish because he felt JAX was making a mistake due to those reasons. Pissed me off cause I had a deal in place, but we moved on.

I also had interest in him from the Bengals, but it was weird because they never made an offer. Just wanted to know what it would take. I really didn't know what value he had, so I asked for a 4th. Probably too high now that I look back.

At the same time, I had interest in him from the Panthers too. They said they would offer a 4th and 5th right off the bat. I said yes to that, but then they backed off saying they didn't know about his contract. It's frustrating when people agree to a deal and then back off. So I asked for a 4th and 6th? Negative. It never went anywhere from there because I think once they saw his contract they just didn't want him anymore.

Finally, I was able to trade him to BUF but I had to package our 4th and 6th with him to move into the 3rd. At that point, I didn't like any of the NT options left on the board and felt like I needed to make a move. I had already traded Jay Ratliff (to TEN for a 4th) and Brent isn't coming back. NT has pain a thorn in my side for years now and Brandon Williams is one of my pet cats this year, so I made the trade.

Now with Austin's contracts off the books, I feel like the Cowboys can go out and sign another WR vet using the same money (or less) that we would've spent on Austin, roughly $7 Million next season. Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker head the FA list. Cuts could also open up the market.

Witten4HOF
01-04-2013, 07:41 PM
Another interesting tweet from Broaddus, when asked about how he felt about John Jenkins he responded he liked Sharif Floyd better. I'm not sure if he meant as a NT of 5-tech but interesting non the less. Ill go back and try to watch some film but he never really caught my eye in any Florida game I watched.

D-Unit
01-04-2013, 07:46 PM
Another interesting tweet from Broaddus, when asked about how he felt about John Jenkins he responded he liked Sharif Floyd better. I'm not sure if he meant as a NT of 5-tech but interesting non the less. Ill go back and try to watch some film but he never really caught my eye in any Florida game I watched.
I talked to Scott a little on Jenkins. Thought he was very overrated. So I'm rollin' with that opinion too unless you find something.

Witten4HOF
01-04-2013, 08:24 PM
I talked to Scott a little on Jenkins. Thought he was very overrated. So I'm rollin' with that opinion too unless you find something.

I understand the knocks on Jenkins, he is definitely a two down plugger who will never offer much in pass rush. He can fluctuate in weight which is a concern and was bowl ineligable because of graded which both lead to questions about work ethic. Won't be a fit for every team but he offers a solution to our major problems on defense. He is almost inmovable in the middle and can collapse the pocket from the inside out. That frees up our linebackers to make an even bigger impact in both the run game and edge rushing.

At 18 I agree that is probably too high for what he brings but if he slid into the second round he has good value IMO. If we stay where we are at in the first round Hankins might be an option if he is available, Ansah might be a sleeper for 5-tech but I'm still hoping for Cooper.

D-Unit
01-05-2013, 04:17 AM
I understand the knocks on Jenkins, he is definitely a two down plugger who will never offer much in pass rush. He can fluctuate in weight which is a concern and was bowl ineligable because of graded which both lead to questions about work ethic. Won't be a fit for every team but he offers a solution to our major problems on defense. He is almost inmovable in the middle and can collapse the pocket from the inside out. That frees up our linebackers to make an even bigger impact in both the run game and edge rushing.

At 18 I agree that is probably too high for what he brings but if he slid into the second round he has good value IMO. If we stay where we are at in the first round Hankins might be an option if he is available, Ansah might be a sleeper for 5-tech but I'm still hoping for Cooper.
I'm right there with you. He's definitely too high for 18 and if he's there at our 2nd that's one of those players that you have to triple think on before you pass on him.

The one thing that keeps sticking out in my head is how much of a loss Brent was for us against Washington. What a wacky season this was. If not for that infamous night, Brent would've been right there helping us shut down the run like he did such a great job of during the season. Not him actually making the tackles... but him doing his job so well that he alters the Washington game plan or makes it easier for everyone else to make the tackles. Playoffs... All of our expectations come true! Bah. lol.

Getting a good NT is at the top of my list on defense. Ratliff is already an afterthought in my mind.

thule
01-05-2013, 05:59 AM
John Jenkins in the 2nd would be nice...wouldn't touch him in the first. I really want ansah in the first the more I look at this class.

Witten4HOF
01-05-2013, 12:50 PM
I hope our scouts show up in force at senior bowl week, seems like there is a ton of talent this year. I'm kind of interested to see how Kyle Long performs at bot guard and tackle.

CowboysBeastMode
01-05-2013, 02:40 PM
whats up fellas, ive read alot the comments on the thread and i agree with most of whats been said but ive reviewing alot of tape (midway thru the 1st quarter of alvin bailey OG of arkansas vs alabama). im going to go outside the box a little bit.

change defensive coordinators and move to an attacking 4-3 defense with some 3-4 looks to keep teams off balance. i think our personnel fits a 4-3 better without a true nose tackle and it allows to have our best pass rushers always rushing the qb.

in the draft im sure many will disagree with this....

1. Sheldon Richardson, perfect fit as 3 tech in 4-3 and could play some 5 tech in 3-4. imo a safety is not the piece that will take our defense to an elite level, its a gamewrecker in the middle of the line. richardson has that motor and toughness that we had in ratliff except he much more athletic ala geno atkins or a warren sapp. the more and more i look at the future of the nfc east with the redskins and that zone scheme his game perefectly fits to disrupt that blocking scheme bc he can consisently beat reach and cutoff blocks and get upfield to disrupt the timing of their run game which should allow ware and spencer to concentrate rg3 and allow carter and lee to flow to the ball downhill cleanly and shutdown their running game.

check out this article from draft-breakdown on him it wont let me directly post the link

2. Eric Reid S, he not the man to man cover safety that Vacarro, Elam, and Jeffson are but i see some Dashon Goldson in him. great instincts, disciplined and is always in the spots where he's supposed to be. with more disruption from the front line and improvement from Claiborne he would be allowed to just sit back use his instincts and make plays especially on tipped or inaccurate passes.Could be the final piece of a championship caliber defense

3. I could go with any of these guys.....

a) Gabe Jackson LG Mississippi State aka "Baby Warmack" alot like warmack but better at hitting second level targets, could be a 1st rounder next year if he stays he has yet to decide. here some film on him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rHiCPDt1M4 you could also look up Damontre Moore vs MSU on youtube he's the left guard #61

b) Barrett Jones versatile and solid overall, enough has been said about him already

c) Alvin Bailey junior OG from Arkansas, play both guards spot in Arkansas offense bc he always plays on the strong side he's big and strong and can move and hit second level targets and showed good awareness in pass protection vs Alabama, but needs to improve his technique and has a bad habit of stopping his feet and relying solely and size and upper body strength once locked on to a defender. all correctable but needs the most work out of the 3 but had strong upside. has the look of a Bill Callahan specialty

Dennis Johnson vs Ole Miss or the entire game film from Arkansas vs Alabama is on youtube to watch him remember he always plays on the strong side. he wears number 67

4 One of the two Marquess Wilson Washington State/Aaron Dobson Marshall both WR's

Wilson, second round talent but character questions after he quit the team arise. reminds me of laurent robinson but taller. if he pans out, a steal in the 4th round.

Dosbon, big reciever, raw as a route runner, but tremendous balls skills, and not explosive speed but build up speed and very fast once he gets going. similar to roy williams coming out of texas, but with hopefully a love and passion for the game something that roy lacked before the injuries, complacency and whining took over and ruined what could have a good career.Dobson wil be at the senior bowl btw.

with the lack of consistent and reliable talent outside of dez (and he's question mark now that the offseason has started) a wide reciever that can stretch the field and open up room for austin and witten in the middle and someone with actual talent to exploit one on one matchups on the outside would a great addition to the offense.

just take a look at the ball skills of Dobson, outside wr at the top of the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCdFFFAxLz0

5. Brandon Mcgee CB, only read the scouting reports on him but a bigger corner (5'11, 196) who plays the slot and can play on the outside give us tremendous depth at corner and competition.

6. Michael Williams TE, best blocker in the class and in the sixth round getting a player who can more than likely will make the roster with a defined role is as good as it gets in the sixth round

UDFA - Marquise Goodwin WR texas, raw but RG3 olympic speed would be instant upgrade as the main KR, bubble screens and reverses. Maybe be follow a similar path as Miles Austin, an UDFA wr to a starter. i've been watching this guy play since he was in high school at rowlett high with Damontre Moore also on that team. he was underutilized there and in college as well hopefully he goes undrafted and we get him, Jimmy Robinson would be ecstatic to work this guy.

tell me your thoughts and opinions and just remember im trying to go outside the norm of take cooper or take warmack in the first round, bc the cowboys are in love with costa and leary and parnell showed he has some ability to be a jermon bushrod type player

D-Unit
01-05-2013, 08:50 PM
tell me your thoughts and opinions and just remember im trying to go outside the norm of take cooper or take warmack in the first round, bc the cowboys are in love with costa and leary and parnell showed he has some ability to be a jermon bushrod type player
Nice write up. I have no problems with thinking out of the box. But I have to think it'd be reeeeally out of the box for the Cowboys to fire Rob and hire a new DC. But Ryan ran the 4-3 in Oakland just fine. Rob is a guy who will adjust his scheme to play to his players strengths. We've seen that everywhere he's been. In Cleveland he ran the 3-4 and he used his DBs to blitz more than any team in the league. When he got here last year he tried to blitz a lot but it got us killed because we just didn't have a capable secondary, so he scaled back. This year we saw a very conservative bend but don't break defense. With the amount of injuries we had, it was the best he could do. I think it was a miracle that we held Washington to 21 points with 3 min to go in the 4th and a chance to tie or win when Lissemore was our NT rotating with Brian Schaefering... Brady Poppinga, Dan Connor, Ernie Sims at ILB... Michael Coe, Sterling Moore, Charlie Peprah, Eric Frampton, Danny McCray roaming our secondary and a one armed Demarcus Ware getting juked out of his shoes by RG3... it's really a quite a miracle.

The suggestion of Richardson and a move to the 4-3 is pretty cool outside of the box suggestion though. I haven't got a great read on Richardson. I do remember Barrett Jones handling him pretty good in that Bama game.

I haven't seen a mock yet where Eric Reid lasts to us in Round 2. Dobson and Wilson are good 4th round mentions for WR.

Can't say the Cowboys have anything more than development intentions for Leary. Not enough to erase their concerns by any means. Costa is too unreliable too. I think he's only had one great game in his entire career and that was the one he had this year. He might be the Bobby Carpenter of the OL. His one good game in Seattle bought him more time here than he deserved.

Overall nice thought process. I hope more people type up their thoughts.

Witten4HOF
01-05-2013, 09:12 PM
I think you might be a little to optimistic about guys falling into position for us to draft them. Richardson is the best 3-tech prospect in the draft and it is possible he blows up the combine, expect a Fletcher Cox type climb by the draft.

No possible way Reid falls all the way down to where we pick in the second round, I doubt he falls out of the first round. I could see him as a potential target in the first round if there isn't any trench players we have ranked high on the big board.

It would be silly for Jackson to declare if he doesn't get a top 50 nod from his agent. He has raw skill but is is a gamble to declare in a class with interior depth like this one when he could use another years worth of development. I know your not high on Barrett Jones but no way he even sniffs the third round.

It would be nice to get a big developmental WR in the mid rounds and some depth at corner. Tight end is a wasted pick, Witten isn't going anywhere, John Phillips is a good blocking tight end, and Hannah is an athletic project.

CowboysBeastMode
01-05-2013, 11:57 PM
Nice write up. I have no problems with thinking out of the box. But I have to think it'd be reeeeally out of the box for the Cowboys to fire Rob and hire a new DC. But Ryan ran the 4-3 in Oakland just fine. Rob is a guy who will adjust his scheme to play to his players strengths. We've seen that everywhere he's been. In Cleveland he ran the 3-4 and he used his DBs to blitz more than any team in the league. When he got here last year he tried to blitz a lot but it got us killed because we just didn't have a capable secondary, so he scaled back. This year we saw a very conservative bend but don't break defense. With the amount of injuries we had, it was the best he could do. I think it was a miracle that we held Washington to 21 points with 3 min to go in the 4th and a chance to tie or win when Lissemore was our NT rotating with Brian Schaefering... Brady Poppinga, Dan Connor, Ernie Sims at ILB... Michael Coe, Sterling Moore, Charlie Peprah, Eric Frampton, Danny McCray roaming our secondary and a one armed Demarcus Ware getting juked out of his shoes by RG3... it's really a quite a miracle.

The suggestion of Richardson and a move to the 4-3 is pretty cool outside of the box suggestion though. I haven't got a great read on Richardson. I do remember Barrett Jones handling him pretty good in that Bama game.

I haven't seen a mock yet where Eric Reid lasts to us in Round 2. Dobson and Wilson are good 4th round mentions for WR.

Can't say the Cowboys have anything more than development intentions for Leary. Not enough to erase their concerns by any means. Costa is too unreliable too. I think he's only had one great game in his entire career and that was the one he had this year. He might be the Bobby Carpenter of the OL. His one good game in Seattle bought him more time here than he deserved.

Overall nice thought process. I hope more people type up their thoughts.

I think you might be a little to optimistic about guys falling into position for us to draft them. Richardson is the best 3-tech prospect in the draft and it is possible he blows up the combine, expect a Fletcher Cox type climb by the draft.

No possible way Reid falls all the way down to where we pick in the second round, I doubt he falls out of the first round. I could see him as a potential target in the first round if there isn't any trench players we have ranked high on the big board.

It would be silly for Jackson to declare if he doesn't get a top 50 nod from his agent. He has raw skill but is is a gamble to declare in a class with interior depth like this one when he could use another years worth of development. I know your not high on Barrett Jones but no way he even sniffs the third round.

It would be nice to get a big developmental WR in the mid rounds and some depth at corner. Tight end is a wasted pick, Witten isn't going anywhere, John Phillips is a good blocking tight end, and Hannah is an athletic project.not sure jones handled richardson he plays the 3 tech on the outside of the guard and they move him outside not inside on some downs, not sure if they went head to head at all i'll go back and look at it over. richardson could go top 10 but lets say brandon williams shows out at the senior bowl and pulls a dontari poe at the combine he might be the top dt taken, sylvester williams had a great year too and probably a better one overall, richardson had a great second half and might be a 1 year wonder but its all a matter of preference and there are so many edge rushers at the top too, if this was last year he doesnt get out of the top 10 but this year im not sure.

both of you are dont think that reid would last that long but the nfl defense are playing more man to man in the secondary, vacarro, elam, jefferson, and both thomas both offer more ability to match up man to man in coverage. reid is not a physical specimen and once these combine gets going and these other guys test well gms will fall in love with those safeties than can play wr and te man to man which isnt reid strongest and on that basis and preference of cover safeties i have him in the middle of the second round. last year melvin ingram was sure to be a top 10 pick he doesnt go until 18. many people viewed shea mccelllin as a 2nd rounder he went 19. kendall reyes supposedly a guy shooting up the boards he goes 17th selection in the second. peter konz we were all sure he would be gone well before the cowboys 2nd round pick he almost fell to the third, we can never be so sure until the draft is over.

as for changing coordinators im done with rob ryan everybody wants to just look at the last three games and make excuses for him and forget about the first 13 where every game we'd have 12 men on the field a least once, constant confusion with substitutions and guys running on the field late and the defense not being ready several times in games. that cost us on an 3 and long against atlanta and they ended up scoring td on that drive, remember after cribbs gets short punt and on a change of possession they still couldnt get the right personnel on the field it resulted with guys out of position and weedem throws a td pass to take the lead and we needed a miracle (thanks sheldon brown) to drive down the field to tie the game, imo we can get someone better i dont know who but none of our opponents seem to have this problem.

people from jackson camp has stated if he gets a 1st or 2nd round he will leave and frederick declaring inflates the board even more and even if doesnt that why have alvin bailey who should be there.you know guards always slip some from where they're projected decastro was top 10 cant miss he, and he ends up at 24.

as for williams, john phillips is nothing more than #3 tight end, he's a good blocker but not great, williams is great blocker, younger and cheaper and cowboys have limited cap room, remember you always have to churn the bottom of the roster

hey thanks for your opinions i would have hated to write up all that stuff and get no response from anyone +rep for both of you

D-Unit
01-06-2013, 12:16 AM
Hey it's cool to hope guys will fall, so I won't stop ya. Reid is not being talked about as a sure 1st rounder like he was when the season began. A lot of things change during the draft evaluation process too. But right now, assuming Eric Reid would be there where we are seems more less likely than highly likely. My thing with Eric is that the way he plays, he leaves himself highly succeptible to injury and so far he's played through some tough hits. But I've seen him peeling himself up off the turf a lot this season.

Yeah, recheck that Jones vs Richardson stuff again. Let me know what you come away thinking.

After 2 seasons you're already done with Ryan? What do you think of Garrett?

pocketaces
01-06-2013, 05:44 AM
Here are some guys that I think we would all be happy to get in the 1st round and would be an upgrade for our team.

The Cowboys will select 18th in the 2013 draft. Here are prospects draft analyst Dane Brugler believes will be available for Dallas, with his comments:

OG Chance Warmack, Alabama: Some guards are fluid and mobile while others are strong and powerful, Warmack is both. He projects as a better NFL guard prospect than David DeCastro a year ago and has Pro Bowl potential as a NFL rookie.

OG Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina: While he has some questions about his base strength to hold up against bull rushers, Cooper is one of the most athletic interior blockers to enter the NFL in recent memory. He is smooth in space with outstanding body control.

DE Ezekiel Ansah, BYU: Ziggy, a native of Africa, has been playing football only for the last few years, but with his athleticism at 6-6 and 270 pounds, he will have NFL scouts drooling. He has lined up at NT, DE and LB in college and while still a tad raw, his upside is sky high.

DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri: A prospect who projects as either a three or five technique, Richardson has a big, rugged frame but also has the flexibility and length to disrupt the backfield and blow up the pocket. In his first year in the SEC, Richardson proved to be one of the top defensive linemen in the conference.

DT Jesse Williams, Alabama: A native of Australia, Williams has manned the NT spot for 'Bama's three-man front this season and projects on either the inside or outside of Dallas' defensive front. While still developing, he is one of the toughest players in this draft class and beats blockers with leverage, power and football smarts.

-- Charean Williams


Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/01/05/4526044/with-the-18th-pick-in-the-2013.html#storylink=cpy

TheFinisher
01-06-2013, 10:43 AM
http://vimeo.com/54719606

Do want.

Love how he runs behind his pads. His running style reminds me a little bit of Curtis Martin, although Curtis may have had a little more wiggle to him where Taylor is slightly more powerful.

I'm all for improving the run game this year, it's the best option for us if we want to take that next step with Tony still under center. Take some of that pressure off his shoulders and let him have a running game to lean on. Plus it helps us control the clock and keep our defense off the field, something we have struggled with. 2 OL and another back would be my ideal first 3 rounds.

Maybe

1. Warmack
2. Frederick
3. Taylor

CowboysBeastMode
01-06-2013, 11:29 AM
Hey it's cool to hope guys will fall, so I won't stop ya. Reid is not being talked about as a sure 1st rounder like he was when the season began. A lot of things change during the draft evaluation process too. But right now, assuming Eric Reid would be there where we are seems more less likely than highly likely. My thing with Eric is that the way he plays, he leaves himself highly succeptible to injury and so far he's played through some tough hits. But I've seen him peeling himself up off the turf a lot this season.

Yeah, recheck that Jones vs Richardson stuff again. Let me know what you come away thinking.

After 2 seasons you're already done with Ryan? What do you think of Garrett?with garrett ive seen an improvement from the standpoint that team plays hard with toughness and heart something he never saw under the wade phillips regime. he hasnt made horrible game management mistakes this year either. i never thought much of garrett as a play caller anyway and i'd be happy to see an offensive coordinator come in here and have him be the just the hc, now if we have another up and down season again and we just miss the playoffs on the last game yeah i'm all for finding another hc

the defense was better this year in terms of statistics but the constant confusion that has plagued the defense over past 2 years is mind numbing. and he tries to get to cute and play dumb schemes like that 2 lineman crap vs philly or only rushing 3 guys against brandon weeden. had it not been for romo, dez and bryce brown fumbling that ball we would have lost to 2 of the worst offenses in the league and both at home. as the oc garrett should be fired but as the head coach i think the team began to show progress down the stretch so he gets one more chance to prove its wasnt an aberration.

now as for richardson vs alabama there was only a few play where they went one on one once on a inside move on the guard where he got quick pressure and looked like a he might of held but you couldnt tell from the angle i call it a draw. i saw 4 runnig plays once a zone to the right near the goalline and jones blocked him, as for the other three twice jones down blocked on him and twice he side stepped him and pushed jones to the ground made the tackle on 1 and missed on the other. the only other running play 1 on 1 was a zone to the right and he jacked barett jones up and pushed him 3 yards deep in the backfield before jones tripped and fell over someone else and richardson made the tackle. not alot to go on but overall richardson got the better of him when it 1on1, but its only 5 plays.

leroyisgod
01-06-2013, 01:29 PM
http://vimeo.com/54719606

Do want.

Love how he runs behind his pads. His running style reminds me a little bit of Curtis Martin, although Curtis may have had a little more wiggle to him where Taylor is slightly more powerful.

I'm all for improving the run game this year, it's the best option for us if we want to take that next step with Tony still under center. Take some of that pressure off his shoulders and let him have a running game to lean on. Plus it helps us control the clock and keep our defense off the field, something we have struggled with. 2 OL and another back would be my ideal first 3 rounds.

Maybe

1. Warmack
2. Frederick
3. Taylor

Loving the idea of Taylor. Reminds me a lot of Doug Martin

E-Man
01-06-2013, 02:26 PM
I see a some of y'all are liking the idea of drafting a back this year. I have been thinking that with Murray being hurt they wouldn't want to supplant him, but you've got to plan for him missing games again. I worked Saturdays last year, so I'm out of the loop on the prospects. What about Montee Ball? I remember seeing him a lot when I caught some Wisconsin games over his career, but I don't know where people are thinking he'll be drafted. Where is he projected? I think the guy would be a great combo with Murray, and if Murray goes down again I can see him filling in well.

CowboysBeastMode
01-06-2013, 05:31 PM
I see a some of y'all are liking the idea of drafting a back this year. I have been thinking that with Murray being hurt they wouldn't want to supplant him, but you've got to plan for him missing games again. I worked Saturdays last year, so I'm out of the loop on the prospects. What about Montee Ball? I remember seeing him a lot when I caught some Wisconsin games over his career, but I don't know where people are thinking he'll be drafted. Where is he projected? I think the guy would be a great combo with Murray, and if Murray goes down again I can see him filling in well.Ball has alot tread on the tires, and taylor is nothing special imho. dennis johnson is every down back who could we get in the 5th or 6th who would be a capable back up he's a poor man's ray rice, character flags have to be checked out on him tho

Witten4HOF
01-06-2013, 06:01 PM
Paul Chryst to Choose Big D After Missing Out as Wisconsin Head Job ?

Once considered a major player to return to his alma mater, Chryst is now left in limbo after AD Alvarez has decided to hire within. Rumors have sprouted that friend and former colleague Jason Garrett has made a pitch to draft Chryst to the big leagues as his assistant head coach and offensive coordinator for the up coming season.

It is an interesting dilemma that Chryst finds himself in, whether to return to this Pittsburgh team that finished 6-7 in the self destructing Big East Conference or designing a playbook to compliment a talented but underachieving Dallas Offense.
- D Units Hawaiian Express
UPDATE: Chryst signed to a 4 year deal

Cowboys Need Cap Magic to Make Any Splash in Free Agency

The first move on the off season agenda appears to be extending embattled superstar QB Tony Romo to an extension. Re-working Romo's contract not only secures his future in Dallas but also could release some of the constraints of his 16 mil cap hold on the 2013 cap. Other veterans who may be asked to reopen contract negotiations include Miles Austin, Jay Ratliff, Doug Free and last years free agent big fish Brandon Carr.

Even if Jerry Jones can use his million dollar accountants to shift money around to loosen the constraints there most likely won't be enough to sign any top tier player. Rob Ryan will make his case to resign the best player on his 2012 unit Anthony Spencer long term. Spencer who played on a 1st year franchise tender in 2012 is expected to generate outside interest after a career year last season.

Update: Tony Romo is extended three years $39 mil making his total contract worth $56 mil over 4 years,$20 mil guaranteed. Numbers were adjusted to make his 2012 cap count $10 mil, opening up $6 mil for the cap.Brandon Carr opted to have $7.3 mil of his 14.3 mil guaranteed year prorated to the 2014 season freeing up more free agency money for the team.

Dallas and Doug Free Part Ways

Jerry Jones is actually making true on his promise that no one should feel comfortable at Valley Ranch. Free who was the leagues most penalized lineman and was rotated with Jeremy Parnell in the final weeks of the season was given his walking papers in the first week of free agency. Free who was once considered part of the nucleus of a rebuilding line will hold a 5.3 million dollar dead cap hold of guaranteed money that was prorated over his contract.

The team is expected to sign journeyman Jonathan Scott to the veterans minimum as an insurance police reserve for the inexperienced Parnell.

Agent for Spencer, Won't be signing Franchise Tender

According to sources close to Anthony Spencer's agent, he showed good faith in signing the 1st year tender in 2012 and expects long term security going forward. Negotiations are still open in hopes of working out a contract but Spencer is expected to hold out if his expectations are not met.

Cowboys Shop Disgruntled ProBowler

Sources say Cowboys are combing through possible interest in former pro bowl NT Jay Ratliff. Ratliff is unhappy with owner Jerry Jones asking for the oft injured lineman to take a pay cut after an underwhelming season where Ratliff only appeared in 6 games dealing with both planter fasciitis and a sports hernia.

Ratliff (31) signed a 7 yr $48.6 mil contract in 2011 was reported to have had a verbal confrontation mid season with Jerry Jones about his injury status and availability. It is unknown what teams are interested in the 4X probowler's services.

Lovie Smith and the Buffalo Bills pulled the trigger on Ratliff for a 5th round draft pick. Smith in the news presser expressed how he felt about how a healthy Ratliff would help generate opportunities for everyone playing between Dareus and Mario Williams. As for Dallas the trade wipes over $40 mil off the books over the next 6 years

HEISMANHERSCHEL
01-06-2013, 06:27 PM
Man, is it just me or does this happen every year in the metroplex? It seems like one of our teams always cuts big money players and ends up paying them to play somewhere else.

Im no Doug Free fan, but if I am reading this correctly he will count 5.3 mil against the cap? Jeez! I guess I would feel better if I knew that the move was going to save them a bunch of money, but something tells me it won't.

Trogdor
01-06-2013, 06:29 PM
Yeah.... Free will count as 11.3 million though if he stays. Just a horrible situation.

Working on a full offseason mock will probably finish it tomorrow. Our 'Boys being 25+ million over the cap counting just players under contract (no Spencer, etc) makes it really hard.

Witten4HOF
01-06-2013, 06:59 PM
1) Jarvis Jones 6'2 242 OLB Georgia Concerns over Jones's Spinal Stenosis, age (24) and questions about position send Jones for an unexpected slide. Teams looking for more traditional pass rushers opt for Moore, Werner, Mingo, and Montgomery. While teams looking for linebacker help stick with Te'o and Ogletree. While not expecting to have such a talent slide down to #18 Jerry and Rob Ryan are ecstatic to get the top rated defensive talent on their board two years in a row. Worries about signing Spencer to a long term deal have now been resolved, Jones has the ability to start on the strong side from day one. Alex Albright becomes the first reserve off the bench while Kyle Wilber continues to develop behind Ware.

2)Kyle Long 6'7 312 OG/OT Oregon What Long lacks in experience he more then makes up for in potential. Surprising nimble and flexible for his height Long impressed in his first real year playing offensive lineman in college. Callahan is impressed with his quick feet and can invision Long being an asset at multiple positions. He can immediately challenge for the starting RG position year one.

3)Brandon Williams 6'2 328 NT Missouri Southern St Big fish in an extremely small pond, Williams is an physically talented lineman who destroyed DivII/II competition with a combination of size and explosion off the snap. His talent is hard to gauge against the dip in competition and will need time to develop. Will platoon with Lissemore at NT and will work his way into taking over the position once he gets a bearing on how to compete on the next level.

4) Shamarko Thomas 5'9 210 S Syracuse Undersized and lacking ball skills Thomas profiles as a tweener at the next level. Tough aggressive, flies around the field and finds himself around the ball. Can attack down hill and isn't afraid to tackle in the open field. Has very good times speed but at this point isn't an asset in man coverage as he takes miss steps and would rather attack to target then the ball. Rob Ryan loves to use safeties and would find a place for this torpedo in sub packages.

5a via Buffalo) Milliciah Goodman 6'4 280 DE Clemson Underachiever who has all the physical tools in the bank to be an explosive 5-tech. Never really put it together at Clemson after being touted as the next great Clemson pass rusher. Has very good strength to anchor and secures the edge well, is able to disengage to pursuit the ball. Has a nice frame to add 10-15 lbs to play 5-tech on the weakside.

5b) Ray Graham 5'9 192 RB Pittsburgh Once highly touted back out of high school who couldn't put it back together after an ACL injury his freshman year. Still has good vision and can catch the ball out of the backfield, has a little bounce in his step but has lost his other gear. New OC Paul Chryst put in a good word to the scouting department after coaching him last season.

6) Johnny Adams 5'11 176 CB Michigan St Adams is tough, wirey, and experience coming out of the Big 10. He is undersized and doesn't have elite man cover skills but has nice change of direction skills and will attack the ball is Zone Coverage. Can find a way to make this team as a special teams player and can add depth at Corner

7) Marcus Davis 6'4 232 WR Virginia Tech Davis is a major project at this point of his career. He has the athleticism that would profile as a starter but does not have the skill to contribute right away. He has unnatural hands, often basket catching even easy tosses not to mention his routes are sloppy.

CowboysBeastMode
01-06-2013, 07:04 PM
1) Jarvis Jones 6'2 242 OLB Georgia Concerns over Jones's Spinal Stenosis, age (24) and questions about position send Jones for an unexpected slide. Teams looking for more traditional pass rushers opt for Moore, Werner, Mingo, and Montgomery. While teams looking for linebacker help stick with Te'o and Ogletree. While not expecting to have such a talent slide down to #18 Jerry and Rob Ryan are ecstatic to get the top rated defensive talent on their board two years in a row. Worries about signing Spencer to a long term deal have now been resolved, Jones has the ability to start on the strong side from day one. Alex Albright becomes the first reserve off the bench while Kyle Wilber continues to develop behind Ware.

2)Kyle Long 6'7 312 OG/OT Oregon What Long lacks in experience he more then makes up for in potential. Surprising nimble and flexible for his height Long impressed in his first real year playing offensive lineman in college. Callahan is impressed with his quick feet and can invision Long being an asset at multiple positions. He can immediately challenge for the starting RG position year one.

3)Brandon Williams 6'2 328 NT Missouri Southern St Big fish in an extremely small pond, Williams is an physically talented lineman who destroyed DivII/II competition with a combination of size and explosion off the snap. His talent is hard to gauge against the dip in competition and will need time to develop. Will platoon with Lissemore at NT and will work his way into taking over the position once he gets a bearing on how to compete on the next level.

4) Shamarko Thomas 5'9 210 S Syracuse Undersized and lacking ball skills Thomas profiles as a tweener at the next level. Tough aggressive, flies around the field and finds himself around the ball. Can attack down hill and isn't afraid to tackle in the open field. Has very good times speed but at this point isn't an asset in man coverage as his tackles miss steps and would rather attack to target then the ball. Rob Ryan loves to use safeties and would find a place for this torpedo in sub packages.

5a via Buffalo) Milliciah Goodman 6'4 280 DE Clemson Underachiever who has all the physical tools in the bank to be an explosive 5-tech. Never really put it together at Clemson after being touted as the next great Clemson pass rusher. Has very good strength to anchor and secures the edge well, is able to disengage to pursuit the ball. Has a nice frame to add 10-15 lbs to play 5-tech on the weakside.

5b) Ray Graham 5'9 192 RB Pittsburgh Once highly touted back out of high school who couldn't put it back together after an ACL injury his freshman year. Still has good vision and can catch the ball out of the backfield, has a little bounce in his step but has lost his other gear. New OC Paul Chryst put in a good word to the scouting department after coaching him last season.

6) Johnny Adams 5'11 176 CB Michigan St Adams is tough, wirey, and experience coming out of the Big 10. He is undersized and doesn't have elite man cover skills but has nice change of direction skills and will attack the ball is Zone Coverage. Can find a way to make this team as a special teams player and can add depth at Corner

7) Marcus Davis 6'4 232 WR Virginia Tech Davis is a major project at this point of his career. He has the athleticism that would profile as a starter but does not have the skill to contribute right away. He has unnatural hands, often basket catching even easy tosses not to mention his routes are sloppy.and you criticize me for having guys drop to us :facepalm:

Witten4HOF
01-06-2013, 07:16 PM
and you criticize me for having guys drop to us :facepalm:

Jarvis is definite stretch but I expected some flack over that for sure. Just wanted to mix it up a bit, there is some thought that if Thomas goes into the combine and runs sub 4.4 he might rise into the 2/3rd range but we will wait for that.

Who else do you think fell from heaven in an impossible situation ?