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Mr. Goosemahn
05-07-2012, 08:02 AM
LB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame

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The best inside linebacker prospect right now. Big guy, a hammer in the middle.

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Previous Prospects of the Day

QB Matt Barkley, USC (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52765)
CB Tyrann Mathieu, LSU (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52787)
RB Montee Ball, Wisconsin (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52812)
RB Cameron Marshall, Arizona State (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52840)
NT Star Lotulelei, Utah (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52841)
DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52863)
LB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52870)

Bixby (Thumper)
05-07-2012, 08:17 AM
Meh. Watched him pretty intensely this past year along with Luke Kuechly and Vontaze because the Eagles needed a MLB. I think Te'o was pretty clearly behind Kuechly. Te'o struggles to break down in space and make the tackle. Linear athlete. He's a big, downhill thumper type that can really explode into contact but I think he's pretty overrated as an athlete right now. He'll start in the NFL, don't get me wrong. I just don't think he's the super stud some make him out to be. Who remembers Edgerton Hartwell? Thats who Te'o reminds me of.

K Train
05-07-2012, 08:23 AM
hes so dreamy

jrdrylie
05-07-2012, 09:16 AM
Very early in the process, I think Teo-to-Chicago is the best prospect fit I can think of which means it's not going to happen. but I would be quite satisfied if it did.

Hines
05-07-2012, 09:22 AM
I love him. I hope he's a Steeler if Sly doesn't work out.

jojo
05-07-2012, 09:27 AM
Very early in the process, I think Teo-to-Chicago is the best prospect fit I can think of which means it's not going to happen. but I would be quite satisfied if it did.

Good link there rylie, in that Notre Dame recruits heavily from Chicago with their huge fanbase there. The Bears need a young healthy LB in the box since they're moving Urlacher, the injuries have caught up to him, all over in coverage schemes.

I remember him highly touted coming out of HS, the #1 ranked ILB in the nation. He had arthroscopic surgery before last season & recorded an impressive 133 tackles the yr. before.

bigbluedefense
05-07-2012, 09:40 AM
I love him. I hope he's a Steeler if Sly doesn't work out.

You love every linebacker prospect like ever lol.

Hines
05-07-2012, 10:26 AM
You love every linebacker prospect like ever lol.

I didn't like the Spence pick at first.....lol

ChiefMojo
05-07-2012, 01:13 PM
I think he would be a great as a thumper type in a 3-4 team like a Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Indy, Baltimore or even New England.

Manti is probably a 15-25 guy in the 1st round imo. The only other two ILB that fits the 3-4 that could push him is Shayne Skov from Stanford and Kevin Reddick from North Carolina. With that said Skov has a prior DUI and a knee injury to overcome probably in some scouts eyes. The talent and size is there for Skov. Reddick also has the size/athletic ability and is a good all-around LB.

I also like Arthur Brown out of Kansas State but I think his size is going to limit him in some schemes as he is probably 6'1", 230 pounds right now. Brown is more of a sideline to sideline WILB that does not fit the SILB thumper role.

My early top 5 ILB's has Manti Te'o at the top...

1) Manti Te'o - 6'2", 255-pounds Notre Dame
2) Shayne Skov - 6'3", 250-pounds Stanford
3) Arthur Brown - 6'1", 230-pounds Kansas State
4) Kevin Reddick - 6'3", 240-pounds North Carolina
5) Alec Ogletree - 6'3", 240-pounds Georgia

gator3guy
05-07-2012, 02:09 PM
At early glance, it looks like the 2012 class had better pure LB's but the 2013 class has much better pass rushers (potentially of course).

ChiefMojo
05-07-2012, 02:17 PM
Could very well be the case. Very early on I see only two 1st round ILB's in Te'o and Skov. That is similar to this year where you had Kuechly and Hightower. Reddick will have a legit shot at the 1st round and Ogletree will have a outside chance. Brown has the ability but his size will keep him out of the 1st round for sure.

SenorGato
05-08-2012, 03:29 AM
Same build and style as Davis Harris...2nd round guy but a good player.

Brown Leader
01-08-2013, 07:34 AM
There hasn't been much talk about Te'o here of late but it's been widely accepted that he's a top 10 prospect. That championship game performance might dead all that. He struggled facing the best front seven he's seen this season. Imo he was slow to read and disengage, a step late sideline to sideline, missing tackles and basically a non factor in coverage. So... how much did that performance affect his stock?

AntoinCD
01-08-2013, 07:38 AM
I'm not sure one bad game can really hurt your stock. There are many reasons why a bad game can happen, especially considering these guys hadn't played a meaningful game in a month. These types of things will be taken into consideration.

It will bring up questions, however I'm not sure it will hurt him too badly.

CollegeFan
01-08-2013, 08:12 AM
His stock dropped a bit last night...couldnt tackle Lacy. Had trouble shedding blocks. Is he really 255 lbs? Doesn't look it.

MI_Buckeye
01-08-2013, 08:20 AM
I never really thought that highly of him, and tonight shows why.

He flourished this year playing behind a D line that kept him completely clean. When he finally had to play in the briar patch, he struggled mightily. He might have had seven interceptions this year, but watching every ND game, those all seemed like big flukes. Every pick was either thrown right at him by an incompetent QB (cough, Denard, cough) or came off a tip. I still view his coverage skills as average.

The way I see it, he's not really a thumper or an outstanding athlete. I don't think he's anywhere near as good as Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly were coming out. I think he's still a first rounder, but the luster is definitely off.

Halsey
01-08-2013, 09:06 AM
Fans that saw him on TV last night have decided his stock is down based off that one game. The same thing happened with UGA defenders after the SEC Championship Game. I have a hard time believing NFL teams are going to make major changes to how they view a 4 year player based on one game against a dominant offense.

bornnraisedwhodat
01-08-2013, 09:32 AM
He looks to struggle shedding blocks, he'll get his lunch taken in the NFL if he keeps that up.

P-L
01-08-2013, 09:35 AM
Te'o's stock is only "down" after last night because it was unfairly built up too high in the first place. Te'o is still a very good prospect, but he isn't a top ten prospect and never should've been billed as one.

Roddoliver
01-08-2013, 09:39 AM
The BCS Championship was not an outlier. The other videos show that Te'o can struggle to shed blocks and he takes bad angles. He is not a technician like Luke Kuechly, and apparently he also does not have the same range and sideline-to-sideline motor. Te'o is a "thumper", he relies too much on physical strength and does not have active hands to disengage. The technical issues can be corrected by NFL coaches. Even though he is not an amazing athlete, he is athletic enough to play MLB. I still think Te'o has more awareness and range than Kevin Minter.

ShutDwn
01-08-2013, 09:57 AM
It was just one game... But a thumper is supposed to be suited for stopping exactly that type of offense.


I don't think he's a three down linebacker. I think he has to play in the 3-4 to have success.

KaneMarko
01-08-2013, 10:11 AM
Te'o's stock is only "down" after last night because it was unfairly built up too high in the first place. Te'o is still a very good prospect, but he isn't a top ten prospect and never should've been billed as one.

Basically.

There were a good number of Chiefs fans wanting Te'o with the #1 pick. I never really got it. Even before last night. Kid has a good future. He has a fairly high floor. I just didn't understand all the hype and didn't see how one could rationalize him at #1 overall. But, that's just me.

nobodyinparticular
01-08-2013, 10:31 AM
Te'o's stock is only "down" after last night because it was unfairly built up too high in the first place. Te'o is still a very good prospect, but he isn't a top ten prospect and never should've been billed as one.

This is very important to consider. Mid- to late-teens pick maybe?

Babylon
01-08-2013, 11:22 AM
It was just one game... But a thumper is supposed to be suited for stopping exactly that type of offense.


I don't think he's a three down linebacker. I think he has to play in the 3-4 to have success.

Good player but probably not quite as good as a Luke Kuechly, you might agree.

A step slow last night but as far as sheding blocks most linebackers have trouble with that. Blame the ND d-line for some of that.

jth1331
01-08-2013, 11:37 AM
Te'o's stock is only "down" after last night because it was unfairly built up too high in the first place. Te'o is still a very good prospect, but he isn't a top ten prospect and never should've been billed as one.

I never understood why he was so highly regarded. I mean, top 5 pick? Top 10? No way to me.
Like someone else mentioned, his INT number is a fluke. Is he a good prospect? Yeah, he most definitely is, but people basically saying he's the best MLB prospect in awhile/top 5 pick stuff was just mindblowing to me.

I always thought he'd be a mid 1st rounder, and thats where he probably will go. Maybe late 1st after that horrible showing.

AntoinCD
01-08-2013, 11:57 AM
I never understood why he was so highly regarded. I mean, top 5 pick? Top 10? No way to me.
Like someone else mentioned, his INT number is a fluke. Is he a good prospect? Yeah, he most definitely is, but people basically saying he's the best MLB prospect in awhile/top 5 pick stuff was just mindblowing to me.

I always thought he'd be a mid 1st rounder, and thats where he probably will go. Maybe late 1st after that horrible showing.

It's all relative based on this year though. Te'o's leadership is going to be a huge positive for a lot of teams in need for guys like that, thinking Lions, Bills etc

Now in general I am not a fan of drafting LBs who don't rush that high, and despite how well Keuchly played at MLB I still think he was taken too highly. That is simply a principle thing though, but if the top tier talent isn't as strong or deep then of course these guys can be considered top players.

Consensus seems to state that the QBs aren't great but you can be guaranteed that at least 1, likely more will go top 10.

I would be hugely surprised if any RBs or WRs go top 10.

Joeckel and Lewan will liekly go top 10 but it's unlikely that either Warmack or Cooper do.

So offensively there is possibly 4, at most 5 guys who may be top 10 picks.

Eric Reid isn't a top 10 safety and neither is Kenny Vaccaro.

Dee Milliner will likely go top 10 but it's a reach to say Banks or Rhodes will.

Jarvis Jones may have top 10 talent but I would be willing to bet he falls.

That leaves defensive linemen. Star, Richardson, Werner, Moore, Ansah, Jordan are all possibilities but likely only 4 are certainties (at this point).

I don't think we can say a certain player doesn't have top 10 talent without comparing the players in this draft they may go up against.

Say Detroit, for instance, likes Milliner and Werner a lot but both are off the board along with Joeckel and Geno. They then will be left in a bad spot for them. And Detroit is a team with a LB need and more importantly a need for defensive leadership. I could very well see a scenario where they take Te'o

cmarq83
01-08-2013, 12:09 PM
Now in general I am not a fan of drafting LBs who don't rush that high, and despite how well Keuchly played at MLB I still think he was taken too highly.

You are wrong about this. Luke Kuechly is a god on the football field, and it's a shame that mere mortals like Justin Blackmon, Mark Barron, and Ryan Tannehill were picked before him.

PackerLegend
01-08-2013, 12:12 PM
Manti looked like **** last night.

PossibleCabbage
01-08-2013, 01:13 PM
He's a better Rey Maualuga. Fiery and physical with leadership ability, but range and coverage (and recognition, but this has improved) are question marks.

Certainly not a good fit for every team. If you need your Mike to run sideline to sideline a lot and cover TEs one one one, Te'o is not a great fit.

Iamcanadian
01-08-2013, 01:52 PM
Te'o was a top 5 pick before last night IMO and I'm not sure yet if Notre Dame simply wasn't fired up enough or he was exposed by his play. He had difficulty seperating from his blocks, filled the holes poorly and missed tackles in space time after time.
Sometimes when a team sits out a month, they come to a Bowl game flat and that might be what happened to Te'o. He will have to have a big post season if he wants to remain in the discussion as a top 5 pick but right now, he has slipped considerably to the 18-25 range.
I disagree that range and sideline to sideline speed aren't there. That is his strength IMO.

PossibleCabbage
01-08-2013, 02:09 PM
I disagree that range and sideline to sideline speed aren't there. That is his strength IMO.

The contrast to Mosley last night was startling (IMO Mosley is a better LB prospect). If range and sideline-to-sideline speed are Te'o's strengths, what can you say about Mosley whose ability to close is, quite frankly, jaw-dropping.

AntoinCD
01-08-2013, 02:14 PM
You are wrong about this. Luke Kuechly is a god on the football field, and it's a shame that mere mortals like Justin Blackmon, Mark Barron, and Ryan Tannehill were picked before him.

I can't argue with Tannehill and as for Barron, safety is becoming more important than LB these days IMO. Blackmon!! Eughhhh!

This is all just my opinion on who I would have. I wouldn't have Blackmon over him but I would have taken Gilmore, Cox, Brockers etc over him

Flaming Mo
01-08-2013, 02:50 PM
Fans that saw him on TV last night have decided his stock is down based off that one game. The same thing happened with UGA defenders after the SEC Championship Game. I have a hard time believing NFL teams are going to make major changes to how they view a 4 year player based on one game against a dominant offense.

There is a big difference between the SECCG and the BCSCG. The players for Georgia atleast all flashed their talents and showed that they actually can make plays against serious competition - Ogletree goal line tackle, Jones and Jenkins had their moments rushing the passer, Rambo & Shawn Williams had a few nice hits just from the top of my head. Just like guys as Riddick or Nix had their moments yesterday.

Teo?! NOTHING! He didnt make a single impact play and worse, he looked completely overmatched on a number of others. This is a huge red flag if you want to draft him in the first round. Hes a great kid and will provide leadership but taking not specially talented ILB in the top 15 is just stupid.

Iamcanadian
01-08-2013, 03:10 PM
The contrast to Mosley last night was startling (IMO Mosley is a better LB prospect). If range and sideline-to-sideline speed are Te'o's strengths, what can you say about Mosley whose ability to close is, quite frankly, jaw-dropping.

Big fan of Mosely, he will be a 1st rounder next season but clearly Alabama with its experience, handled the month's layoff better than Notre Dame, it often happens in Bowl games where 1 team comes out flat from the layoff. Te'o will need a big post season from here on in to resurrect his draft status otherwise he'll fall to the 18-25 range from the top 5 where he stood before the game. just have to wait and see what occurs.
I never judge a player on one performance otherwise, I'd think Alabama's players weren't as good as advertised after they played Texas A&M.

bucfan12
01-08-2013, 04:11 PM
Teo got embarrassed last night. Not elite prospect but he's a solid first rounder.

bucfan12
01-08-2013, 04:12 PM
Teo was embarrassed last night. Not an elite prospect but still solid fiest rounder.

D-Unit
01-08-2013, 04:14 PM
Well I don't know how many times Te'o will be faced with an OL in the NFL made up of 5 1st round picks.

Cigaro
01-08-2013, 04:15 PM
You are wrong about this. Luke Kuechly is a god on the football field, and it's a shame that mere mortals like Justin Blackmon, Mark Barron, and Ryan Tannehill were picked before him.

Pretty much. Our defense instantly improved when he moved to the middle. Some argued it was somewhat of a luxury pick when we weren't in a position to make such picks, but Kuechly was more than worth it.

rawdawg
01-08-2013, 04:42 PM
Well I don't know how many times Te'o will be faced with an OL in the NFL made up of 5 1st round picks.

Bama doesn't have 5 first round picks on the OL (pretty close though). But they do have 5 NFL caliber offensive linemen. And Te'o will face 5 NFL caliber offensive linemen in nearly every game (admittedly, there are a few players who shouldn't be in the pros he'll face).

I'm not as down on him after this game as most are. Of course, I was never as high on him. He is what he is. I was intrigued by his improvement in the pass game (mainly INT numbers), but his style of play (thumping, run stopping LB, with leadership skills) doesn't play as well in the NFL today as "flying all over the field making plays sideline-to-sideline" with all the passing going on.

I ranked him at 14 overall at the midway point. In reality, he's probably around the 14-18th best player in this draft. May go higher based on team needs, but I don't expect him to go any lower than the Giants pick at 19.

DBNYDP
01-08-2013, 05:26 PM
Fans are fickle. His body of work against many good teams over the past few years outweighs a bad game where his team got overmatched. That whole defense got destroyed and it all started up front, look I'm not really sure a lot of linebackers would have good games with their line getting dominated like that.

Big_Pete
01-08-2013, 05:46 PM
I was always thinking Teo is a top 20 talent, due to positional value and physical skills alone. He doesn't have blazing speed that ILBs like Kuechly and Willis demonstrated which pushed them so high. The other factor is the depth and talent in the LB group, a top 20 team passing on Teo in the first can still get a pretty good LB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

I think he was over hyped initially and is probably back around where he should be.

Teo is still a very good prospect and brings a strong set of intangibles to a team. Sure like most rookies he will have areas that need to be worked on, but with Teo's attitude and work ethic he should be able to correct these.

regoob2
01-08-2013, 05:49 PM
I've always been a fan of CJ Mosley. I've always had him very close to Teo.

Teo has been great for years. He had a bad game. He also got no help from his once dominant DL. Nix played well but Tuitt was a ghost and Moore got hurt. Also ND has no other LB help. It was Nix Teo and Motta vs Alabama. There arent many LBs that can take on Warmack and that Alabama line.

He's still a great LB and a great prospect.

underscore
01-08-2013, 05:51 PM
Te'o is a good to very good college LB. How he got invited to NYC, though, is beyond me. If he didn't play for ND, he wouldn't be in the headlines.

To me he's a 2nd/3rd round pick at best.

rawdawg
01-08-2013, 07:40 PM
Te'o is a good to very good college LB. How he got invited to NYC, though, is beyond me. If he didn't play for ND, he wouldn't be in the headlines.

To me he's a 2nd/3rd round pick at best.

Let's not be ridiculous. He was very highly recruited. Top rated LB in his HS class. And if he wasn't at ND, he'd be at USC and still in the headlines. He's been in the headlines since HS and that was in Hawaii. He had 113 tackles, 7 INTs this year. 5 sacks last year. If he's a 2nd or 3rd rounder to you, congratulations you achieved seclusion on your own limb. He's been a shoe-in 1st round pick since high school.

PossibleCabbage
01-08-2013, 08:01 PM
Let's not be ridiculous. He was very highly recruited. Top rated LB in his HS class. And if he wasn't at ND, he'd be at USC and still in the headlines. He's been in the headlines since HS and that was in Hawaii. He had 113 tackles, 7 INTs this year. 5 sacks last year. If he's a 2nd or 3rd rounder to you, congratulations you achieved seclusion on your own limb. He's been a shoe-in 1st round pick since high school.

Well, he's definitely not a third round pick, but I wouldn't say that second round is totally out of the question. Let's remember at this point in 2009, Rey Maualuga was the top rated USC linebacker, and a virtual shoe-in to go in the top half of the first round. Come draft time, he goes third among the USC linebackers, and falls all the way to #38.

Considering that "linebacker who doesn't rush the passer" isn't really highly valued by a lot of NFL teams relative to other positions, and even if you give Te'o a first round grade, you might have somebody else you like more when it comes time for you to pick, I would say there's an outside chance he goes high in the second.

brasho
01-08-2013, 10:07 PM
Pretty much. Our defense instantly improved when he moved to the middle. Some argued it was somewhat of a luxury pick when we weren't in a position to make such picks, but Kuechly was more than worth it.

Yeah, I hoped, wished, prayed, and begged for the Bucs to take Keuchly. How many elite defenses DON'T have a stud in the middle? 49ers? Check... Ravens? Check Bears? Check... granted Lewis and Urlacher are older, but their impact is felt no less when they are on the field. Keuchly is one of those guys.

brasho
01-08-2013, 10:09 PM
Te'o is a not mentally challenged version of Rolando McClain. Fast but terrible in man coverage. A big guy, but not a crushing hitter or able to take on and shed blocks. He's a good prospect. I would've been surprised if he went top 10 before, now I'll be surprised if he goes... top 16.

BeerBaron
01-09-2013, 11:23 AM
So did his stock take that big of a hit in the NC game? Seems to be the general consensus most places.

If he does fall, some team in the mid teens is going to potentially get a steal. I don't think there is a defensive front 7 player in the country who would have looked good with the way Alabama's o-line showed up to play. It's hard to fault Teo too much.

bigbuc
01-10-2013, 01:17 PM
This guy is going to fall a little and a team is going to move up to grab him. He's going to end up in the best place he can...... Ravens.

nobodyinparticular
01-10-2013, 01:20 PM
Te'o is a not mentally challenged version of Rolando McClain. Fast but terrible in man coverage. A big guy, but not a crushing hitter or able to take on and shed blocks. He's a good prospect. I would've been surprised if he went top 10 before, now I'll be surprised if he goes... top 16.

You realize Rolando McClain was considered a coach on the field when he was coming out, right? McClain was EXACTLY what Te'o is, except better. Bigger, taller, longer. Leadership and maturity beyond his years--in spades.

bigbluedefense
01-10-2013, 01:24 PM
You realize Rolando McClain was considered a coach on the field when he was coming out, right? McClain was EXACTLY what Te'o is, except better. Bigger, taller, longer. Leadership and maturity beyond his years--in spades.

But speed. Speed speed speed. That was always my big concern with McClain, he looked slow in college. Teo is much faster than McClain.

McClain didn't dispell his speed issues either by ditching the combine and running a poor 40 on his pro day.

Lack of speed is the death of any defender who wants a career in the NFL.

nobodyinparticular
01-10-2013, 01:53 PM
But speed. Speed speed speed. That was always my big concern with McClain, he looked slow in college. Teo is much faster than McClain.

McClain didn't dispell his speed issues either by ditching the combine and running a poor 40 on his pro day.

Lack of speed is the death of any defender who wants a career in the NFL.

McClain's 40 time was better than Brandon Spikes, Vontaze Burfict, Rey Maualuga, Navarro Bowman, Brian Cushing, Paul Kruger, Erin Henderson, Sean Lee and Curtis Lofton.

And almost identical to Justin Houston and Sean Witherspoon. McClain was not a Dontay Moch, Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis or Brian Urlacher, but his speed was more than adequate and his recognition on the field matched with his length was more than supposed to make up for it.

bigbluedefense
01-10-2013, 01:54 PM
McClain's 40 time was better than Brandon Spikes, Vontaze Burfict, Rey Maualuga, Navarro Bowman, Brian Cushing, Paul Kruger, Erin Henderson, Sean Lee and Curtis Lofton.

And almost identical to Justin Houston and Sean Witherspoon. McClain was not a Dontay Moch, Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis or Brian Urlacher, but his speed was more than adequate and his recognition on the field matched with his length was more than supposed to make up for it.

Are you sure about that? Bc I'm skeptical, I could have swore McClain ran a 4.85 and I'm also pretty sure Witherspoon ran a 4.55.

nobodyinparticular
01-10-2013, 02:01 PM
Are you sure about that? Bc I'm skeptical, I could have swore McClain ran a 4.85 and I'm also pretty sure Witherspoon ran a 4.55.

ESPN with McClain's 40 yard dash time - 4.68

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/90/year/2010

ESPN with Witherspoon's 40 yard dash time - 4.68

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/89/year/2010

You and I both know that there is no such thing as an official 40 yard dash time, so it's very possible McClain ran a 4.85 and Witherspoon ran a 4.55. But ESPN certainly thinks they had similar results.

Docta
01-10-2013, 02:01 PM
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Looks pretty fast. Doesn't say what his time was though.

EDIT: Or ^ that.

bigbluedefense
01-10-2013, 02:04 PM
ESPN with McClain's 40 yard dash time - 4.68

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/90/year/2010

ESPN with Witherspoon's 40 yard dash time - 4.68

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/89/year/2010

You and I both know that there is no such thing as an official 40 yard dash time, so it's very possible McClain ran a 4.85 and Witherspoon ran a 4.55. But ESPN certainly thinks they had similar results.

That's interesting. Makes his fall from grace even more surprising.

Brown Leader
01-11-2013, 12:26 PM
Mike Mayock's take (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/11/manti-teo-looks-like-a-first-round-pick-but-alabama-game-will-hurt/) on the championship game...

“I think the first thing you have to do is not have a major knee-jerk reaction. Let’s look at this kid’s body of work over four years. I think the second thing, though — and being real honest here — is that most NFL teams are going to look at that Bama team and say, ‘OK, that’s the most NFL-type team he has seen in four years, and how did he play in that game?’ I haven’t seen the tape yet, but everything I saw live tells me it wasn’t real good. So it’s going to be factored in, and teams are going to look at it and teams are going to ask him questions about it. But overall, the body of his work tells me he’s a first-round draft pick in the NFL.”

Mayock spends the football season as NBC’s commentator on Notre Dame games, and he spends the offseason as NFL Network’s draft analyst. And Mayock said today on Mike and Mike in the Morning that he thinks there’s a risk of people overreacting to one bad game from Te’o and dropping him further than he deserves to be dropped — but Mayock also thinks it’s valid to point out that Te’o struggled when facing future NFL offensive linemen and future NFL running backs against the Crimson Tide.

nobodyinparticular
01-11-2013, 01:23 PM
Mike Mayock's take (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/11/manti-teo-looks-like-a-first-round-pick-but-alabama-game-will-hurt/) on the championship game...

“I think the first thing you have to do is not have a major knee-jerk reaction. Let’s look at this kid’s body of work over four years. I think the second thing, though — and being real honest here — is that most NFL teams are going to look at that Bama team and say, ‘OK, that’s the most NFL-type team he has seen in four years, and how did he play in that game?’ I haven’t seen the tape yet, but everything I saw live tells me it wasn’t real good. So it’s going to be factored in, and teams are going to look at it and teams are going to ask him questions about it. But overall, the body of his work tells me he’s a first-round draft pick in the NFL.”

This is the most valid point to make about the game against Bama. It was the best chance we got to see Te'o against NFL-type competition. And this game has to hurt him.

However, he has played other teams that are very strong, including Oklahoma. I would also point out the way the defensive line was completely manhandled by Alabama. It seems pretty clear the opposition was Nfl caliber, but the guys in front of him were NOT starter material on an NFL team.

Bottom line, Te'o was over rated a the last few months, but if he drops past 20 someone is going to get a good deal. He has the talent and leadership to go 15-23ish.

underscore
01-11-2013, 01:29 PM
Te'o has no business going in the first round.

descendency
01-11-2013, 01:29 PM
But speed. Speed speed speed. That was always my big concern with McClain, he looked slow in college. Teo is much faster than McClain.

The important part (except in coverage for the most part) is playing speed. McClain wasn't fast, per se, but his speed to the ball was exceptional.

edit: The most concerning part of the National Championship game wasn't how badly Teo was abused by Alabama's line, but how many tackles he missed. He seemed to not want to tackle Eddy Lacy.

DBNYDP
01-11-2013, 01:33 PM
I don't know many linebackers that perform well with their line getting dominated the way that Notre Dame's line did.

descendency
01-11-2013, 01:38 PM
Well I don't know how many times Te'o will be faced with an OL in the NFL made up of 5 1st round picks.

This is a bit of a lie.

While, the 5 lineman are really good (and will likely be 5 1st day picks, but Fluker isn't going round 1 at the very least, and probably Jones too.), they are not big enough and strong enough to even be considered NFL linemen yet.

That's what distinguishes the college game from the pro game. The first few years of an linemans career in the NFL is about strengthening. Look at how nasty David DeCastro looked at Stanford. Now compare that to how he looked in his first few weeks in the NFL. It was night and day.

I don't know many linebackers that perform well with their line getting dominated the way that Notre Dame's line did.

This. Every good LB you can name was behind a great DL. Very few of them can take on lineman and still make plays.

wkuredbengal34
01-11-2013, 08:00 PM
I don't see how he is any different than Maulaluga or McClain. Slow, not real athletic and struggles to get off blocks in the run game. I don't see him being able to cover any RB's one on one in the pass game either. 2nd to 3rd rounder to me.