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killxswitch
05-10-2012, 12:56 PM
In early 2013 mocks I usually see 3-5 QBs being taken in the first round. That would be great news for teams that already have their QB, as that pushes talent down artificially.

But are there really 5 teams that would take a QB in the 1st?

AFCE - Buffalo is the only possibility and I think they'll stick with Fitzpatrick

AFCN - set at QB

AFCS - set at QB

AFCW - KC and Oakland are possibilities but neither are a slam dunk.

NFCE - set at QB

NFCN - set at QB

NFCS - if Freeman responds well to the new coaching staff the South is set at QB.

NFCW - Seattle is the only team that flat out needs a starting QB (I completely forgot about Flynn, derp). AZ may stick with Kolb or Skelton or whoever they like the most. SF can win with Alex Smith.

So at most, you have 5 teams that would possibly spend a 1st rounder on a QB. IMO, you can whittle that down to two because I think only Seattle and one of KC, Oakland, or Buffalo will change starters.

We often talk about how rare franchise QBs are in the NFL, but with the changes in rules or how they are enforced, it seems like maybe teams have about caught up and the NFL as a whole is not as QB-needy as we vaguely assume it is.

Big Bird
05-10-2012, 01:12 PM
If we play the if game, which is kind of needed in this scenario, there is plenty more that can be added. The Jets if Sanchez and Tebow fail stands out. You say the 49ers can win with Alex Smith, but what if they don't win this season? What if they win despite him? Are they really going to pass on a potential franchise QB like Tyler Wilson or Landry Jones? Doubtful.

The Jaguars are set at quarterback? Did you watch Blaine Gabbert last year?

jrdrylie
05-10-2012, 01:29 PM
My take:

Buffalo: The went all out this offseason to make the playoffs. If Fitzpatrick continues to play like he did during the last half of the 2011 season and the Bills don't improve, Gailey could be fired and Fitzpatrick could be kicked to the curb.

New York Jets: The Jets obviously aren't high on Sanchez, as evidenced by bringing in Tebow. I think that situation will implode and both QBs are going to look bad. If it is as bad as I think it will be (six wins), the Jets front office could become tired of Rex Ryan's talking and kick him to the curb. New coach, new QB.

Tampa Bay: This depends on Josh Freeman. If Tampa bounces back this season and is competitive, he'll stay. But if he repeats last season, he'll have three bad seasons out of four in the NFL. That is not a good track record. He could definitely be replaced if the Bucs falter again.

Jacksonville: Many people expect Jacksonville to be bad this season. Like first overall bad. If that is the case, Gene Smith will undoubtedly be fired. A new General Manager would certainly draft a QB.

San Francisco: Alex Smith had one good year during his seven-year career. If the 49ers take a step back and Keapernick doesn't show nice progression, the Niners definitely draft a QB.

Arizona: The Cardinals thought about replacing Kolb/Skelton this offseason. If they continue to be below average, Arizona will absolutely replace them in 2013.

Seattle: Nobody knows how good Flynn will be. If he gets Seattle to the playoffs, then of course the Seahawks won't draft a QB. But if he looks like Kolb in his first season as a starter, he'll be replaced. Remember, there were substantial rumors that Seattle would have drafted Tannehill had he been there.

St. Louis: This one is unpopular. But what if Sam Bradford has a bad/injury-filled season again? Jeff Fisher didn't draft him And if you have consecutive seasons drafting in the top-five, you should look at getting a new QB. So they could look at replacing him.

Oakland: This goes without saying. Carson Palmer does not look like he has much left in his tank at all. Leinart is the backup. So unless Pryor suddenly learns how to play QB in the NFL, they'll be looking for a new QB in 2013.

Kansas City: Chiefs fans wanted to replace Cassel this season. If he doesn't look any better in 2012, those calls will continue next year.

You say that there are only 5 teams at most that would be looking at QBs. I count ten. You could even throw in Minnesota (if Ponder looks awful and the Vikings finish with a top-five pick again) and New Orleans (depending on how the Drew Brees contract situation progresses).

killxswitch
05-10-2012, 01:56 PM
If we play the if game, which is kind of needed in this scenario, there is plenty more that can be added. The Jets if Sanchez and Tebow fail stands out. You say the 49ers can win with Alex Smith, but what if they don't win this season? What if they win despite him? Are they really going to pass on a potential franchise QB like Tyler Wilson or Landry Jones? Doubtful.

The Jaguars are set at quarterback? Did you watch Blaine Gabbert last year?

Sanchez just got a big extension, so I doubt they cut him loose after this year. I think Jim Harbaugh is confident/arrogant enough in his abilities that he'll be fine without a top QB pick. He may be right, too. You really think Landry Jones is a potential franchise QB?

And no I don't believe in Gabbert at all. But I don't think Gene Smith will be fired anytime soon, and Smith is locked in with Gabbert as his QB of the future. But it's hard to know what to expect with the new owner.

Matthew Jones
05-10-2012, 02:03 PM
These starting quarterbacks probably need to show improvement in order to prevent competition from being added:

Arizona Cardinals - Kevin Kolb
Buffalo Bills - Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jacksonville Jaguars - Blaine Gabbert
Kansas City Chiefs - Matt Cassel
New York Jets - Mark Sanchez
Oakland Raiders - Carson Palmer
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Josh Freeman

In bold are the most likely to be replaced.

killxswitch
05-10-2012, 02:06 PM
My take:

Buffalo: The went all out this offseason to make the playoffs. If Fitzpatrick continues to play like he did during the last half of the 2011 season and the Bills don't improve, Gailey could be fired and Fitzpatrick could be kicked to the curb.


I think the Bills will be 2nd in the division and possibly a wild card team. I think with a full offseason to really install Gailey's system the offense will look better, and the defense should be damn good this year.

New York Jets: The Jets obviously aren't high on Sanchez, as evidenced by bringing in Tebow. I think that situation will implode and both QBs are going to look bad. If it is as bad as I think it will be (six wins), the Jets front office could become tired of Rex Ryan's talking and kick him to the curb. New coach, new QB.

Sanchez might actually benefit from someone other than Ryan running the team. The Jets just gave him a big extension so I doubt he's going anywhere.

Tampa Bay: This depends on Josh Freeman. If Tampa bounces back this season and is competitive, he'll stay. But if he repeats last season, he'll have three bad seasons out of four in the NFL. That is not a good track record. He could definitely be replaced if the Bucs falter again.

I think the coaching and culture change is going to help him. No more of this youngry crap.

Jacksonville: Many people expect Jacksonville to be bad this season. Like first overall bad. If that is the case, Gene Smith will undoubtedly be fired. A new General Manager would certainly draft a QB.

If Gene Smith goes you could be right. I am not sure what Khan will do, no frame of reference for him. With the new weapons this year Gabbert will have zero excuses if he flops.

San Francisco: Alex Smith had one good year during his seven-year career. If the 49ers take a step back and Keapernick doesn't show nice progression, the Niners definitely draft a QB.

See above, I don't think Harbaugh thinks a 1st round QB is necessary. I also don't see them doing poorly enough to be in position to draft a top 2-3 QB, which means giving up picks.

Arizona: The Cardinals thought about replacing Kolb/Skelton this offseason. If they continue to be below average, Arizona will absolutely replace them in 2013.

They thought about it when Peyton Manning was a possibility. They also went 7-2 to end the season last year. We'll see what happens with a full offseason of preparation.

Seattle: Nobody knows how good Flynn will be. If he gets Seattle to the playoffs, then of course the Seahawks won't draft a QB. But if he looks like Kolb in his first season as a starter, he'll be replaced. Remember, there were substantial rumors that Seattle would have drafted Tannehill had he been there.

This was my bad, Flynn is their guy for the next couple of years.

St. Louis: This one is unpopular. But what if Sam Bradford has a bad/injury-filled season again? Jeff Fisher didn't draft him And if you have consecutive seasons drafting in the top-five, you should look at getting a new QB. So they could look at replacing him.

I don't completely disagree here, as I have never been a believer in Bradford.

Oakland: This goes without saying. Carson Palmer does not look like he has much left in his tank at all. Leinart is the backup. So unless Pryor suddenly learns how to play QB in the NFL, they'll be looking for a new QB in 2013.

With McKenzie in charge you are probably right. Palmer will probably not stick around.

Kansas City: Chiefs fans wanted to replace Cassel this season. If he doesn't
look any better in 2012, those calls will continue next year.

Pioli seems a lot less interested in that than Chiefs fans do.


You say that there are only 5 teams at most that would be looking at QBs. I count ten. You could even throw in Minnesota (if Ponder looks awful and the Vikings finish with a top-five pick again) and New Orleans (depending on how the Drew Brees contract situation progresses).

So it could be as many as 10 or as few as one or two. With all the apparent 1st round talent at other positions coming this way, I wonder if teams are really going to reach in the 1st for QBs like they have the last few years.

D-Unit
05-10-2012, 02:39 PM
Dallas won't pass on a QB if one falls to them at Pick 32.

vidae
05-10-2012, 02:42 PM
Pioli seems a lot less interested in that than Chiefs fans do.

Untrue. The Chiefs visited with almost every QB prospect to come out this year and tried to sign Peyton. They were also reportedly trying hard to trade up to select Tannehill.

I think Pioli knows what the entire fanbase and KC media knows: Cassel isn't a long term solution. I would be shocked to see us passing on a QB in 2013 if we have the ability to draft someone. Cassel turns 30 in a week and obviously isn't a "long term" solution to the QB problem in KC.

Dallas won't pass on a QB if one falls to them at Pick 32.

:njx:

mightytitan9
05-10-2012, 02:51 PM
It'll likely come down to who has a bad season.

Like someone else said, the Bills have done good with Fitz, but he's not really a franchise QB. If they get a shot at one, I think they'd likely take it.

A lot of teams already are "grooming" replacements, Denver has one. 49ers have one, Titans have one.

On my list I'd have, a lot of these have "if" highly associated with them. Some may not look likely, but then again we didn't think the colts would be taking luck.
KC
OAK
NYJ
BUF
HOU
JAX
AZ
STL
SF
DAL
NO
TB

killxswitch
05-10-2012, 02:53 PM
Untrue. The Chiefs visited with almost every QB prospect to come out this year and tried to sign Peyton. They were also reportedly trying hard to trade up to select Tannehill.

I think Pioli knows what the entire fanbase and KC media knows: Cassel isn't a long term solution. I would be shocked to see us passing on a QB in 2013 if we have the ability to draft someone. Cassel turns 30 in a week and obviously isn't a "long term" solution to the QB problem in KC.


Teams meet with players they have zero chance of getting. And like with the Cards, meeting with Peyton Manning is not indicative of wanting to get a new QB, it's indicative of wanting one of the greatest QBs of all time to play for your team. Big difference.

mightytitan9
05-10-2012, 02:57 PM
We'll see what Cassel does this season, he should put up 3200yards, 25 tds, 10ints with the talent he has on offense.

Those numbers don't look that impressive, but I think they'll still try to run a run-first offense

Raiderz4Life
05-10-2012, 03:47 PM
I really want someone like Wilson to fall to Oakland.

vidae
05-10-2012, 04:22 PM
Teams meet with players they have zero chance of getting. And like with the Cards, meeting with Peyton Manning is not indicative of wanting to get a new QB, it's indicative of wanting one of the greatest QBs of all time to play for your team. Big difference.

Absolutely, but following the way Pioli has drafted and met with players in the past, it wasn't just due diligence. He was actively trying to move up for Tannehill, that much I'm certain about.

And I still don't believe Ricky Stanzi is the answer, so.

Duffman57
05-10-2012, 06:01 PM
People forget that the 9ers drafted Kapernik in the high 2nd round last year as a project QB, and Harbaugh has a freakish track record of developing QBs. Kaepernicks gonna be a flat out stud IMO.

phlysac
05-10-2012, 06:37 PM
My take:

San Francisco: Alex Smith had one good year during his seven-year career. If the 49ers take a step back and Keapernick doesn't show nice progression, the Niners definitely draft a QB.

Multiple "ifs" would add all 32 teams to this list.

jrdrylie
05-10-2012, 07:02 PM
Multiple "ifs" would add all 32 teams to this list.

Neither of those ifs are that big of a stretch though. Of course I could say "If Aaron Rodgers has a career ending injury the Packers will be drafting a QB next year." But I only wanted to include reasonable ifs. And it is certainly reasonable, considering he has been below average for nearly his entire career, that Alex Smith takes a step back.

Flyboy
05-10-2012, 07:16 PM
I really want someone like Wilson to fall to Oakland.

You don't have any 1st round picks unless you meant the 2nd round..

descendency
05-10-2012, 07:17 PM
Lots of teams will need QBs, because every year there is a new bottom 10 QBs.

WCH
05-10-2012, 07:18 PM
Lots of teams will need QBs, because every year there is a new bottom 10 QBs.

Exactly. More years than not, one of the "rising stars" lays an egg and his team gives up on him.

TACKLE
05-10-2012, 07:18 PM
You don't have any 1st round picks unless you meant the 2nd round..

They only lose their 1st round pick if Carson Palmer leads them to the AFCCG. If not, it's just their 2nd.

Flyboy
05-10-2012, 07:23 PM
They only lose their 1st round pick if Carson Palmer leads them to the AFCCG. If not, it's just their 2nd.

My mistake. And still an awful trade..

Leon Sandcastle
05-10-2012, 07:31 PM
A lot of teams have over reached for QB's the past 2 years that the Bills, Chiefs are sitting kinda pretty.

But it all depends on who declares next year. We know Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon and Geno Smith will be available but what happens with Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, Casey Pachall, Aaron Murray?

If two of those underclassmen declare we could be talking about 5 QB's in the Top 15 and 8 in the Top 42. The new CBA will allow a lot of teams to trade up to get their guy like we saw this year.

Unbiased
05-10-2012, 08:43 PM
We're not going to know until after the season.

P-L
05-10-2012, 09:06 PM
With the new rookie contracts, a 1st round quarterback isn't as big of a commitment as it once was. If guys like Christian Ponder and Sam Bradford take a step back this year, their teams will be picking high again and could move on.

Bixby (Thumper)
05-10-2012, 09:21 PM
The Eagles lowkey need a franchise QB. Vick is going to be 33 at the start of next season and the Eagles have Nick Foles, Mike Kafka and Trent Edwards waiting in the wings. The Eagles typically like to have a future QB lined up. They've been beating around the QB bush the past two years but they haven't pulled the trigger yet.

RCAChainGang
05-10-2012, 10:00 PM
Dallas won't pass on a QB if one falls to them at Pick 32.

I really wouldn't mind seeing the Cowboys win a SB.

kwilk103
05-10-2012, 10:35 PM
A lot of teams have over reached for QB's the past 2 years that the Bills, Chiefs are sitting kinda pretty.

But it all depends on who declares next year. We know Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon and Geno Smith will be available but what happens with Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, Casey Pachall, Aaron Murray?

If two of those underclassmen declare we could be talking about 5 QB's in the Top 15 and 8 in the Top 42. The new CBA will allow a lot of teams to trade up to get their guy like we saw this year.


also could see some not live up to expectations and fall

Big Bird
05-11-2012, 01:00 AM
Sanchez just got a big extension, so I doubt they cut him loose after this year. I think Jim Harbaugh is confident/arrogant enough in his abilities that he'll be fine without a top QB pick. He may be right, too. You really think Landry Jones is a potential franchise QB?

And no I don't believe in Gabbert at all. But I don't think Gene Smith will be fired anytime soon, and Smith is locked in with Gabbert as his QB of the future. But it's hard to know what to expect with the new owner.
Do I really think Landry Jones is a franchise QB? What is so scary about this guy? He has future franchise QB written all over him. One of the few college guys with an incredible arm that isn't afraid to use it. It gets him into trouble every now and then sure, but this guy has such exceptional talent. I think people think of "Oklahoma quarterbacks" and try to write him off, but he is more talented than even Sam Bradford.

kalbears13
05-11-2012, 01:36 AM
I don't see what's wrong with Cleveland taking a 1st round QB...

Their curent rookie quarterback will be in his 30's by the 2013 season. Might as well draft a quarterback for the future.

Scotty D
05-11-2012, 05:12 AM
I don't see what's wrong with Cleveland taking a 1st round QB...

Their curent rookie quarterback will be in his 30's by the 2013 season. Might as well draft a quarterback for the future.

Unless its a top ten caliber QB prospect I don't see it being worth drafting a QB for CLE.

ChiefMojo
05-11-2012, 06:19 AM
On the surface Kansas City is a shoe-in for a QB but the problem is KC may already have Cassel's replacement in KC in Ricky Stanzi. Stanzi just needs to be given a shot with the #1's to determine if he isn't the guy for the future first. He has the size and all the tools to be a very good NFL QB.

Shane P. Hallam
05-11-2012, 06:33 AM
On the surface Kansas City is a shoe-in for a QB but the problem is KC may already have Cassel's replacement in KC in Ricky Stanzi. Stanzi just needs to be given a shot with the #1's to determine if he isn't the guy for the future first. He has the size and all the tools to be a very good NFL QB.

I don't think that is the case. I love Stanzi, but he couldn't even beat out Tyler Palko and KC brought in Brady Quinn instead of giving Stanzi the back-up job.

I will say two things:

1. Not all of these "1st round QBs" will be locks for the 1st when we hit the draft.

2. Teams with veteran QBs will emerge if they take a step back. I'm sure the market for QBs will once again be very big.

Bixby (Thumper)
05-11-2012, 07:27 AM
1. Not all of these "1st round QBs" will be locks for the 1st when we hit the draft.

Who all is in play for round 1 at this point? I'd say Logan Thomas, Matt Barkley, Geno Smith, Keith Price, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson and Tyler Bray are all potential round 1 picks at this point.

Shane P. Hallam
05-11-2012, 08:14 AM
Who all is in play for round 1 at this point? I'd say Logan Thomas, Matt Barkley, Geno Smith, Keith Price, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson and Tyler Bray are all potential round 1 picks at this point.

Landry Jones

TACKLE
05-11-2012, 11:23 AM
Casey Pachall

WCH
05-11-2012, 12:12 PM
Denard Robinson



J/K, guys. I just wanted to be the first to say it.

princefielder28
05-11-2012, 12:25 PM
Who all is in play for round 1 at this point? I'd say Logan Thomas, Matt Barkley, Geno Smith, Keith Price, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson and Tyler Bray are all potential round 1 picks at this point.

Can someone explain to me the love for Glennon as a possible first round pick? From what I've watched of him, he's nothing more than a developmental prospect at this point.

Brown Leader
05-11-2012, 12:30 PM
Unless its a top ten caliber QB prospect I don't see it being worth drafting a QB for CLE.

On paper Cleveland has the toughest schedule this season and we're starting a rookie QB. Barring something miraculous the Browns ought to be the favorites for #1 overall. If Mr. Weeden (plan B) just plays so so or gets hurt or both there will be hard decisions to make. Don't think anyone has ever taken back to back 1st round QBs but we just drafted the oldest 1st round prospect ever and there's the new cba. ... just sayin.

Flip side is he plays well but we're still top 3 and get a Rams like compensation deal to move down. Worst case is he just plays so so but we win more games than we should...blah.

Shane P. Hallam
05-11-2012, 12:30 PM
Can someone explain to me the love for Glennon as a possible first round pick? From what I've watched of him, he's nothing more than a developmental prospect at this point.

I don't see Glennon or Pachall as possibilities, but not many would have said Cam or RGIII at this point before their drafts.

Brown Leader
05-11-2012, 12:32 PM
Can someone explain to me the love for Glennon as a possible first round pick? From what I've watched of him, he's nothing more than a developmental prospect at this point.

It's that rocket launcher coming out of his shoulder.

D-Unit
05-11-2012, 12:54 PM
Who all is in play for round 1 at this point? I'd say Logan Thomas, Matt Barkley, Geno Smith, Keith Price, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson and Tyler Bray are all potential round 1 picks at this point.
I see EJ Manuel getting some love out there, but I don't like the thought myself.

Iamcanadian
05-11-2012, 01:12 PM
My guess is that by next year, the Ponder, Locker and Gabbert experements will be decided and some of them could be looking again at a QB. You'd be surprised how quickly a coaching staff can decide if a QB has that 'it' quality.
KC and Oakland could be looking, ditto for Buffalo, Miami, Denver, Dallas, Arizona, San Fran and Seattle. There is always a demand for quality QB's and next year will be no different.

Raiderz4Life
05-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Who all is in play for round 1 at this point? I'd say Logan Thomas, Matt Barkley, Geno Smith, Keith Price, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson and Tyler Bray are all potential round 1 picks at this point.

Honestly I don't see K-Poo coming out this year. I think he's gonna stay one more and should stay one more.

D-Unit
05-11-2012, 02:32 PM
My guess is that by next year, the Ponder, Locker and Gabbert experements will be decided and some of them could be looking again at a QB. You'd be surprised how quickly a coaching staff can decide if a QB has that 'it' quality.
KC and Oakland could be looking, ditto for Buffalo, Miami, Denver, Dallas, Arizona, San Fran and Seattle. There is always a demand for quality QB's and next year will be no different.
I don't think MIN, JAX or TEN would dare spend a 1st on a QB. No way. MIA (Tannehill), DEN (Oseweiler), SF (Kaepernick) won't either. DAL won't because they'll put it off. ARZ gave up too much for Kolb, and none of these prospects are 100% clear cut upgrades over him anyway.

2 years from now, let's say these teams let their rookie QB sit for a year... what's the cap hit on Buffalo if they cut Fitz in 2014? Cap hit on Seattle if they cut Flynn in 2014?

Not sure about OAK. Are they smart enough to move on from the Palmer/Pryor experiments so soon?

KC will probably look at one for sure.

princefielder28
05-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Not sure about OAK. Are they smart enough to move on from the Palmer/Pryor experiments so soon?



With Reggie McKenzie in charge now, he won't hesitate to bring in his "own guy" at quarternback if Palmer fails to play well this season. He has zero connection to some of the poor choices/decisions of the recent past so it won't be difficult for him to let go of dead weight.

Raiderz4Life
05-11-2012, 02:46 PM
Yep...the Al Davis days are gone and hopefully McKenzie proves to be the real deal.

Starting my Wilson to Oak campaign now. Hopefully Barkley and Bray get all the nuthuggers and Wilson falls to Oak

ChiefMojo
05-11-2012, 03:26 PM
Lets just say Palko playing over Stanzi had nothing to do with Stanzi's ability. There were other factors behind the scenes why Stanzi didn't play last year and that came from the top (Pioli). Also Palko ONLY played because of Haley and nothing more.

D-Unit
05-11-2012, 03:57 PM
Yep...the Al Davis days are gone and hopefully McKenzie proves to be the real deal.

Starting my Wilson to Oak campaign now. Hopefully Barkley and Bray get all the nuthuggers and Wilson falls to Oak
Wilson has plenty of nuthuggers too.

Any QB that you'll want should have a lot of nuthuggers. It's the ones that don't that you have to worry about. LOL. Nuthuggers FTW!

Raiderz4Life
05-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Wilson has plenty of nuthuggers too.

Any QB that you'll want should have a lot of nuthuggers. It's the ones that don't that you have to worry about. LOL. Nuthuggers FTW!

O I know...what I meant to say...Barkley ad Bray can have MOST the nuthuggers. This is about who has the least haha

descendency
05-11-2012, 05:20 PM
Can someone explain to me the love for Glennon as a possible first round pick? From what I've watched of him, he's nothing more than a developmental prospect at this point.

He definitely has a number of flaws that need to be corrected, but he's still playing a full season of football.

Sportsfan486
05-11-2012, 10:23 PM
Teams that will conceivably look at first round QBs next year, in no particular order.

Vikings - Ponder looked terrible for most of last year; another bad year and why wouldn't they look for a switch?
Raiders - All it takes is one more injury or a bad season and Palmer is gone.
Bucs - One of the less likely teams on here but I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in competition if Freeman struggles again.
Jaguars - A bad season from Blaine and this is a lock.
Browns - They drafted an old QB to start now; if he doesn't look polished year 1, they could decide to get in some younger competition.
Rams - One more significant injury to Bradford and suddenly he's David Carr.
49ers - The management isn't all-in on Alex Smith, that's as clear as day. They miss the playoffs, he's the fall guy.
Seahawks - Same as above. Flynn's contract isn't that big, they could always move on.
Texans - Another guy that is an injury away from being replaceable.
Titans - Is Locker the guy? If not, why not move on.
Cowboys - Romo questions always abound.
Eagles - Vick lost favor this year. Will he rebound?
Bills - An obvious one.
Jets - Two of the worst starting QBs in the league.. implosion?
Chiefs - Obvious one.
Cardinals - Obvious.

So yes, there is a market. You need to expand your thought process here and realize teams are very willing to spend a 1st round pick on a guy they won't start that year if they think he has the potential of being a step up.

Unless you have an elite QB, you're ALWAYS willing to look at ways to improve it; moreso than any other position.

Iamcanadian
05-12-2012, 04:23 AM
I don't think MIN, JAX or TEN would dare spend a 1st on a QB. No way. MIA (Tannehill), DEN (Oseweiler), SF (Kaepernick) won't either. DAL won't because they'll put it off. ARZ gave up too much for Kolb, and none of these prospects are 100% clear cut upgrades over him anyway.

2 years from now, let's say these teams let their rookie QB sit for a year... what's the cap hit on Buffalo if they cut Fitz in 2014? Cap hit on Seattle if they cut Flynn in 2014?

Not sure about OAK. Are they smart enough to move on from the Palmer/Pryor experiments so soon?

KC will probably look at one for sure.

I agree that it is unlikely that Min, Jax and Ten look to draft a QB again next season but it isn't completely out of the question after they have been on the roster for 2 seasons. If any of them win 4 or less games they may well bite.

Miami, I shouldn't have listed, I forgot for a minute that they just took Tannehill. I fully agree that they are not a possibility.

2nd round drafted QB's NEVER inhibit a team from drafting a QB in round 1, they have very little financial $$$'s tied up in them and generally very little belief in their ability to be a franchise QB.

Romo will be 32 I believe next season so Jones might well bite at taking a top QB as his replacement if they miss the playoffs again.

Kolb might not even be Ariz's starting QB next season, it could easily be Shelton, so depending on how either does, they could be in the market.

Buffalo and Seattle are longshots if the cap hit is too high.

I'm kind of thinking that Pryor just might turnout to be a solid NFL starting QB when Palmer steps down, but only the Oakland coaching staff can answer that question.

KaneMarko
09-11-2012, 11:43 AM
Before the season, from what I read, Mike Glennon was a 2nd-3rd round prospect. I know he had a rough game against the Vols but can this kid be a 1st rounder?

And what are the odds Bray declares early for the April draft?

SolidGold
09-11-2012, 12:59 PM
Before the season, from what I read, Mike Glennon was a 2nd-3rd round prospect. I know he had a rough game against the Vols but can this kid be a 1st rounder?

And what are the odds Bray declares early for the April draft?

Glennon is maddeningly inconsistent. I am a fan of his but so far I think his stock has dropped. He has a huge arm but struggles with accuracy - he is a streaky thrower. I would say he is a 3rd-5th round QB at this point.

MassNole
09-11-2012, 01:23 PM
I see EJ Manuel getting some love out there, but I don't like the thought myself.

Buffalo is enamored with him.

D-Unit
09-11-2012, 01:55 PM
Buffalo is enamored with him.
Buffalo was enamored with Fitzgerald too. So you do have a case.

SolidGold
09-11-2012, 02:06 PM
Buffalo is enamored with him.

As long as they don't waste a first round pick on him they could roll the dice. He does seem to have somewhat of an injury history for being a big bodied QB.

Leon Sandcastle
09-11-2012, 04:23 PM
Bills, Jaguars, Chiefs, Raiders and Cardinals are definitely taking QB's.

Leon Sandcastle
09-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Buffalo is enamored with him.

Where'd you hear this? I suspect it but nothing substantial out there. Just seems like a guy Nix/Gailey would like but if the Bills fall on their face next year Gailey better not be here.

Leon Sandcastle
09-11-2012, 04:26 PM
Yep...the Al Davis days are gone and hopefully McKenzie proves to be the real deal.

Starting my Wilson to Oak campaign now. Hopefully Barkley and Bray get all the nuthuggers and Wilson falls to Oak

Wilson would be at home behind that terrible OL.

MassNole
09-11-2012, 07:45 PM
Where'd you hear this? I suspect it but nothing substantial out there. Just seems like a guy Nix/Gailey would like but if the Bills fall on their face next year Gailey better not be here.

The feedback their scouts have been giving FSU and the number of times they attend FSU practices.

onejayhawk
09-13-2012, 09:04 AM
Bills, Jaguars, Chiefs, Raiders and Cardinals are definitely taking QB's.

The Jags are a long shot. Gabbert will have to repeat last season, which does not seem likely. The Raiders are set for a couple of years, so a mid round QB is more likely. The Cardinals are a mystery. Maybe, but its a dice roll. Bills maybe as well. Fitz is OK but no better. It may depend on where they pick. The Chiefs are the only really likely team in this group, at least in the top 40 picks.

J

Raiderz4Life
09-13-2012, 09:31 AM
Wait...we're set for a few years? When did this happen?? Did we just get a QB IDK about???

Because surely you can't possibly mean Red Rocket, Noddle Arm, and Pryor.

kalbears13
09-13-2012, 09:39 AM
I think the Browns draft a QB in the 1st round.

FinChase
09-13-2012, 12:09 PM
I think the Browns draft a QB in the 1st round.

To go along with the one they drafted in the first round in 2012?

Cigaro
09-13-2012, 12:23 PM
To go along with the one they drafted in the first round in 2012?

.....yes. When you draft a quarterback that old, its not really worth the time to keeping waiting multiple seasons for a possible development. Weeden will need to show something this year, more games like his first and he is done as a starter.

bucfan12
09-13-2012, 12:39 PM
If Cleveland is picking top 3 then they take a qb. I said weeden was a questionable pick as a reliable nfl back up. That's how much I didn't like him. I laughed at that pick in round 1. Cleveland still has no idea how to operate as an nfl franchise. I think they've done a nice job on the defensive side of te ball but continue to miss on franchise qbs. Repeatedly.

YotoJets007
09-13-2012, 01:02 PM
I am sure that few quarterbacks have contracts that are good for one more year after this season. Getting a quarterback in the first round as a future investment may be not out of question.

You people have nasty habits about 1st round being full time starter right away. Time to change that attitude.

MassNole
09-13-2012, 02:02 PM
If Cleveland is picking top 3 then they take a qb. I said weeden was a questionable pick as a reliable nfl back up. That's how much I didn't like him. I laughed at that pick in round 1. Cleveland still has no idea how to operate as an nfl franchise. I think they've done a nice job on the defensive side of te ball but continue to miss on franchise qbs. Repeatedly.

What gets me is how people can see how big of a failure Weeden is and every other QB has been from the same system yet think Geno Smith will somehow be different.

Raiderz4Life
09-13-2012, 02:45 PM
I am sure that few quarterbacks have contracts that are good for one more year after this season. Getting a quarterback in the first round as a future investment may be not out of question.

You people have nasty habits about 1st round being full time starter right away. Time to change that attitude.

Don't tell us Sparky. We're not the ones throwing our 1st round rookie QBs into the fire. Go tell the Seahawks, the Jaguars, the Vikings, the Bengals, the Dolphins, the Colts, and the Redskins. Probably forgot a few too.

kalbears13
09-13-2012, 03:27 PM
To go along with the one they drafted in the first round in 2012?

Yes. He's going to start all 16 games this year if he doesn't get injured. If he continues to play at a similar level he played against the Eagles then there's no doubt the Browns will finish with the #1 overall pick in the draft and will draft a quarterback.

WCH
09-14-2012, 05:44 PM
Also, if Weeden continues to struggle and the Browns end up with a very high pick, they'll likely clean house. The new GM and HC won't have any reason to pretend that Weeden is their guy.

Dallas357
09-14-2012, 06:46 PM
Bills, Jaguars, Chiefs, Raiders and Cardinals are definitely taking QB's.

quoted for future lulz.

Raiderz4Life
09-14-2012, 06:59 PM
Are you gonna go around to every thread and suck on Gabbert's nuts?

MassNole
09-14-2012, 07:22 PM
Are you gonna go around to every thread and suck on Gabbert's nuts?

For as well as he played he still choked in OT.

GaMeTiMe
09-14-2012, 07:23 PM
Anyone remember the guy who relentlessly praised Gabbert leading up to the draft, to the point where people were seriously asking if he was somehow personally gaining from fluffing Gabbert in a public forum? Everyone begged for him to stick around through the actual games because we knew Gabbert wouldn't play well but I'm pretty sure he disappeared, of course.

Raiderz4Life
09-14-2012, 07:25 PM
It was The Natural.

He was the Gabbert knob gobbler haha

RaiderAg
09-14-2012, 10:57 PM
A lot of folks keep talking about Logan Thomas to the Raiders...but what is the difference between Thomas and Terrelle Pryor?

BamaFalcon59
09-14-2012, 11:22 PM
Thomas is a QB who is large and pretty athletic. Pryor is an insane athlete who can somewhat throw a football.