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Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 08:34 PM
http://ginosdrafttalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/yinyang1.png

Mr. Yang is the most notorious serial killer Santa Barbara has ever known. He’s killed 8 total victims in the past, resurfacing whenever someone he deems a worthy opponent appears. Yin/Yang, the origin of this ancient Chinese symbol is two opposing but complementary aspects. In this case, killer vs. cop. His M.O. is to challenge the police with the opportunity to save the victim should you solve his riddle. This is a game to him, the more clues you solve, the better chance you have of saving his victim.

http://ginosdrafttalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/note.png

Game on.

Player List:

Raiderz4Life
ImBrotherCain
broth
ATL
Bulldogs



ncst8fan83 (Tony, Townie) has been arrested day one.
Forenci (Pierre Despereaux, Thief/Silencer) has been arrested night one.
Shane P. Hallam (Ken, Triggered Bodyguard) has been killed night one.
Caddy (Abigail Lytar, Townie) has been arrested day 2.
Job Reborn (Marlowe Viccellio, Recruit/Gifter) has been arrested night 2.
*** ork wang/Renji (Tom Fong, Framer) has been killed night 2.
UKFan (Carlton Lassiter, Protector) has been arrested day 3.
GallopingGhost (Ewan O’Hara, 2xVigilante) has been arrested night 3.
BeerBaron (Buzz McNab, Bodyguard) has been killed night 3.
Njx9 (Allison Cowley, Role Blocker) has been arrested day 4.
CashMoneyDrew (Alice Bundy, Gender Investigator) has been arrested night 4.
Todd Bertuzzi (Burton Guster, Watcher/Mason) has been killed night 4.
fenikz (Yang, Hitman) has been arrested day 5.
vidae (Mary Lightly, 3xSensor) has been killed night 5.
UKFan (Carlton Lassiter, Protector) has been released from prison night 5.
SuperPacker (Clive, Goon) has been arrested day 6.
UKFan (Carlton Lassiter, Protector) has been killed night 6.
fenikz (Yang, ???????) has been released from jail night 6.
Snicho (Yin, Godfather/Role Cop) has been arrested day 7.
Rob S (Shawn Spencer, Cop/Role Cop/Mason) has been killed night 7.
fenikz (Yang, Yin Traitor) has been placed back in jail night 7.
SuperMcGee (Woody, Coroner) has been arrested day 8.
Dr. Gonzo (Henry Spencer, Lie Detector) has been killed night 8.
Trogdor (Chelsea Patterson, Voyeur turned Godfather) has been arrested day 9.

With 6 Alive, 4 are needed for majority!!

Rules

-- Do NOT PM each other. Automatic mod kill if caught breaking this rule. Please report if someone does PM you.

-- DO NOT NAME DROP. Refrain from using names across the board, including hinting at who you might be. I’m telling everyone who their actual character is so you shouldn’t have to speculate about yourself even! You may role drop at your own risk.

-- All lynch and unlynch votes must be in bold. You must unlynch before changing your vote.

-- Refrain from editing your posts.

-- The option of a no-lynch is on the table.

-- If you are sent to jail, please refrain from discussing the game with others. If you are killed, have a field day discussing with other dead people.

-- Set your profile to invisible mode.

-- Do not talk in DarkOrange, that’s my color :-P

vidae
05-13-2012, 08:36 PM
We can't let him carry out this "game" again. We have to make sure to stop him before this gets out of hand.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 08:36 PM
I'm going to try something a little unorthodox in this game. I'm a cop, so if I could get some protection tonight, that would be great.

Also for the mafia.

http://images.pinkdreamstar.com/data/pinkdreamstar458.gif

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 08:38 PM
We can't let him carry out this "game" again. We have to make sure to stop him before this gets out of hand.

+1, i'd like to see the high class baddies get lynched early.

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 08:38 PM
I'm going to try something a little unorthodox in this game. I'm a cop, so if I could get some protection tonight, that would be great.

Also for the mafia.

http://images.pinkdreamstar.com/data/pinkdreamstar458.gif

?????????? iz you trollin????

Caddy
05-13-2012, 08:39 PM
?????????? iz you trollin????

No. I'm 100% serious.

ncst8fan83
05-13-2012, 08:39 PM
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/523345_263762850381231_124180504339467_556714_1618 730903_n.jpg

Shane P. Hallam
05-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Pineapple.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Why the **** is ncst8 playing?

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 08:41 PM
Pineapple.

Funny you bring this up...

I have hidden a pineapple somewhere on the boards. The first person to PM me the location of the pineapple will receive a gift.

Happy hunting!

Caddy
05-13-2012, 08:41 PM
Why the **** is ncst8 playing?

Vote: ncst8

Never forget what he did.

SuperMcGee
05-13-2012, 08:43 PM
That's awesome, Grizz.

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 08:44 PM
Guys, we've been at this for almost 10 minutes now. Can we please take a break to get some japadogs?

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Vote: ncst8

Never forget what he did.

Lmao, my brothers filled me in on that what that doucher did.

Vote: ncst8

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Yeah I gave it a good 5 min search for this Pineapple. I give up.

Shane P. Hallam
05-13-2012, 08:51 PM
I'm working on the pineapple.

Vote: ncst8fan

I will also never forget. Hell, after he dies in this damn game, I am blocking him from this forum.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 08:53 PM
I approve of blocking ncst8 from this forum. As for actually lynching him right now though, I vote nay. Some votes on him are fine, but lets not get carried away here.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 08:55 PM
I approve of blocking ncst8 from this forum. As for actually lynching him right now though, I vote nay. Some votes on him are fine, but lets not get carried away here.

Dude... Its day one. What better reason is their to lynch a person besides that.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 08:57 PM
Dude... Its day one. What better reason is their to lynch a person besides that.

Um....getting discussion going/throwing some votes around at least gets us some info. A straight lynch of ncst8 with no debate, as sweet as it would be, gives us damn near nothing.

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Um....getting discussion going/throwing some votes around at least gets us some info. A straight lynch of ncst8 with no debate, as sweet as it would be, gives us damn near nothing.

It would get us................................ redemption.... sweet sweet redemption.

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 08:59 PM
Trying to figure out if the pineapple would be anywhere besides a Grizz post.

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:00 PM
So is there still a mafia, or is there just serial killers. I'm confused. Also, I say we give ncst8 another shot, but that's because I'm a forgiving man.

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:01 PM
Trying to figure out if the pineapple would be anywhere besides a Grizz post.

Yeah I have no idea what's going on with this whole pineapple thing.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:02 PM
Um....getting discussion going/throwing some votes around at least gets us some info. A straight lynch of ncst8 with no debate, as sweet as it would be, gives us damn near nothing.

I think you find out more with voting patterns/ who defends a person than you do discussion. As a town we most likely know nothing. So we find out information when we vote for people and how people react to the voting.

No one will stick up for someone unless they are known part of a team. Which 8 times out of 10 means they are Mafia. We have seen how 1st days can spiral out of control when people get hung up on little things. I mean do I really have to reference the 25 page Shane vs Gonzo crap. So you can advocate "discussion" I will preach action.

BeerBaron
05-13-2012, 09:02 PM
If i were him, I would have edited it into an old but prominent post somewhere. That way you couldn't just search his recent posts to find it...

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:03 PM
I like how nobody has responded (other than GG) to my role claim. I'll assume that means you are all ok with it.

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 09:04 PM
If we do find it, how should we notify you?

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:04 PM
I think you find out more with voting patterns/ who defends a person than you do discussion. As a town we most likely know nothing. So we find out information when we vote for people and how people react to the voting.

No one will stick up for someone unless they are known part of a team. Which 8 times out of 10 means they are Mafia. We have seen how 1st days can spiral out of control when people get hung up on little things. I mean do I really have to reference the 25 page Shane vs Gonzo crap. So you can advocate "discussion" I will preach action.

Yeah, I more meant throwing out votes for people other than ncst8 before deciding to lynch.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:05 PM
I like how nobody has responded (other than GG) to my role claim. I'll assume that means you are all ok with it.

Nobody is okay with it. It is dumb to kill a potential cop on day one though, so you can safely assume that you have bought yourself the day here....

SuperMcGee
05-13-2012, 09:06 PM
I like how nobody has responded (other than GG) to my role claim. I'll assume that means you are all ok with it.

I'm hoping it means you're a certain someone and that you will let me take you out for pizza chili cheese fries.

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:07 PM
I think you find out more with voting patterns/ who defends a person than you do discussion. As a town we most likely know nothing. So we find out information when we vote for people and how people react to the voting.

No one will stick up for someone unless they are known part of a team. Which 8 times out of 10 means they are Mafia. We have seen how 1st days can spiral out of control when people get hung up on little things. I mean do I really have to reference the 25 page Shane vs Gonzo crap. So you can advocate "discussion" I will preach action.

To be fair I defended SP and I wasn't mafia.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:07 PM
If i were him, I would have edited it into an old but prominent post somewhere. That way you couldn't just search his recent posts to find it...

He must have... I tried looking. Got about 3 pages in and gave up.

I like how nobody has responded (other than GG) to my role claim. I'll assume that means you are all ok with it.

What are we supposed to say? No your wrong stop Caddy thats dumb :-/

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:07 PM
I like how nobody has responded (other than GG) to my role claim. I'll assume that means you are all ok with it.

Caddy making a Bulldogs-esque move. I like it. Then again, I love bold moves.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 09:07 PM
The pineapple has been spotted and the prize has been claimed!!!


I figured it was time to start this up. In my latest mock I gave us DeCastro and Weeden and it seems everyone hated it so I figured I'd start this up to see what everyone else is thinking. Team Needs, players you're interested in, etc. I'll start

Needs: QB, RT, pass rusher, OG, FS, speed WR, TE, nickel CB, blocking FB

I hate where we are picking. Too far down to make a reasonable trade up (personally wouldn't sell the farm trade up for RGIII, too many flaws for my tastes and no way we could get Luck) and no other QB worth a top ten pick. No value at pass rusher, especially if we stick with the 3-4. No FS in this class worth considering in the first round, much less top ten. Don't want to take yet another OL in the first round. Its pretty much a no-win situation. Free agency should help clear some things up as I expect us to fill some of the above needs (Flynn?Manning being one of the more obvious ones although in either case I would still want a QB to groom out of the first two days). As of now I'm rooting for a trade down so we can get a better match of need/value.

http://ginosdrafttalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/the.jpg

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:08 PM
Is it just like a picture of a pineapple? I'm so confused.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:09 PM
Caddy making a Bulldogs-esque move. I like it. Then again, I love bold moves.

I figure it is well worth the risk. Assuming there is watcher out there, they could learn a tonne of information based on tonight if they choose to target me, which I hope they do.

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 09:09 PM
Aaargh! Whoever found the pineapple like one minute before I did can suck it!

Shane P. Hallam
05-13-2012, 09:09 PM
Ugh, I would have had it if my internet didn't half shut down.

BeerBaron
05-13-2012, 09:10 PM
I figure it is well worth the risk. Assuming there is watcher out there, they could learn a tonne of information based on tonight if they choose to target me, which I hope they do.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgg24uIcT51qd6t4bo1_r1_250.gif

Not cool.

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Aaargh! Whoever found the pineapple like one minute before I did can suck it!

I have a feeling you are lying and covering it up right now. YOU FOUND THE PINEAPPLE

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:11 PM
I figure it is well worth the risk. Assuming there is watcher out there, they could learn a tonne of information based on tonight if they choose to target me, which I hope they do.

'merica disapproves.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:11 PM
To be fair I defended SP and I wasn't mafia.

One out of how many in all the games we have played. The town are sheep. They follow in lynch trains and they follow investigators. Its rare to see someone stick their neck on the line for someone they don't know is good. Right now we need to get people to think for themselves, go with their gut and analyze posts/ voting patterns.

That will give the town more than most investigations I feel.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:11 PM
'merica disapproves.

We speak ENGLISH around these parts.

BeerBaron
05-13-2012, 09:13 PM
One out of how many in all the games we have played. The town are sheep. They follow in lynch trains and they follow investigators. Its rare to see someone stick their neck on the line for someone they don't know is good. Right now we need to get people to think for themselves, go with their gut and analyze posts/ voting patterns.

That will give the town more than most investigations I feel.

Right after you manage to make that happen, you should fix the economy, bring peace to the middle east and discover the true meaning of life.

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 09:13 PM
I have a feeling you are lying and covering it up right now. YOU FOUND THE PINEAPPLE

If only. JBond might be doing that, but I honestly was a minute too late.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:13 PM
Right after you manage to make that happen, you should fix the economy, bring peace to the middle east and discover the true meaning of life.

You can count on a few people to do it... I wish others would start though.

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:14 PM
Right after you manage to make that happen, you should fix the economy, bring peace to the middle east and discover the true meaning of life.

Hey, I pretty much always do what IBC just bolded.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:14 PM
I hope forenci is actually around this time.

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:15 PM
Vote: njx

TAKE ME DOWN WITH YOU HUH? I CAN ALSO HOLD A GRUDGE!

Shane P. Hallam
05-13-2012, 09:15 PM
I am out, internet is blowing it. I am squarely on the lynch ncst8fan bandwagon.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:16 PM
I have a terrible sinking feeling that I am going to die early again this game.

ncst8fan83
05-13-2012, 09:19 PM
I am out, internet is blowing it. I am squarely on the lynch ncst8fan bandwagon.

read the rules.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 09:21 PM
Updated Vote Count:

ncst8 (3): Caddy, GG, JBond,
njx (1): Bulldogs

With 25 people alive, 13 are needed for majority.

Shane P. Hallam
05-13-2012, 09:21 PM
read the rules.

Annnnd you already broke a rule. Mod kill?

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:21 PM
read the rules.

Having never seen the show this is gibberish to me.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:21 PM
read the rules.

KILL HIM FOR HINTING NOW

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:22 PM
I saw it but did not quite understand.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 09:22 PM
:facepalm:

Shane P. Hallam
05-13-2012, 09:22 PM
KILL HIM FOR HINTING NOW

Where is the mafia? Hop on the ncst8 lynch wagon right now!

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:23 PM
Didn't see it.....**** me. ncst8 sucks, cant believe he is even in this.

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 09:24 PM
I'm confused at to what's going on here.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:25 PM
I'm confused at to what's going on here.

pretty sure ncst8 hinted at his role. grizz has since edited it.

Shane P. Hallam
05-13-2012, 09:25 PM
I have a terrible sinking feeling that I am going to die early again this game.

Yup. Tell people to think freely and the man will hold you down.

BeerBaron
05-13-2012, 09:26 PM
I don't think using a person's username is against the rules. Otherwise, how would we vote?

Or else I just dont' see what's going on.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:26 PM
damnit caddy.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 09:27 PM
I'm confused at to what's going on here.

ncst8 basically gave his character away, I tried to ninja edit it but like 4 or 5 people saw it for sure. Debating whether to modkill or give him a pass since its been so long since he played.

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:27 PM
He claimed to be a member of *edited because Bulldogs is awesome*

Damn it Caddy!

Raiderz4Life
05-13-2012, 09:27 PM
I am confuzled

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:28 PM
Dont modkill. Give us the pleasure if that's going to be the case anyway.

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 09:28 PM
Out of all the games to be potentially ******, why did it have to be this one?

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:28 PM
Unvote: njx

Vote: ncst8

This is how you repay me after I gave you a second chance?! IS IT!!!

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Can we just ban NCst, pick up one more person, and then restart since it's day one?

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Can we just ban NCst, pick up one more person, and then restart since it's day one?

Just lynch him and we'll move on.

Raiderz4Life
05-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Ncst8 ****** up again?
:facepalm:
lynch ncst

ATLDirtyBirds
05-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Let's just kill the ************.


vote: ncstate

CashmoneyDrew
05-13-2012, 09:30 PM
Vote: Lynch NCSt8

Never let this dude in this sub-forum again.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 09:31 PM
Updated Vote Count:

ncst8 (7): Caddy, GG, JBond, bulldogs, R4L, ATL, CMD

With 25 people alive, 13 are needed for majority.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:31 PM
Yeah at this point. Sadly this is going to give us no info from killing him but its either a modkill or the satisfaction of doing it ourselves.

Vote: ncst8

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:32 PM
Fall On Your Sword Sir!!!

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:32 PM
Don't forget my first post protectors/watchers.

Bulldogs
05-13-2012, 09:33 PM
we all do know he's not evil though, right? is this just an anger kill to get to the night actions?

It's either he's mod-killed or we do it ourselves. Either way we're probably going to the night.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:33 PM
vote: ncst8

this sucks. he is such an asshole. rep rape....go, go, go!

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 09:33 PM
What exactly did he say? Lol... why can only 5 people get to see it :( .

vidae
05-13-2012, 09:34 PM
we all do know he's not evil though, right? is this just an anger kill to get to the night actions?

Pretty much, and I'm 100% fine with that. I hate that ****.

vote : ncst

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:34 PM
we all do know he's not evil though, right? is this just an anger kill to get to the night actions?

I would say a bit of both but if Grizz mod kills him then we most likely have another vote making it more likely we kill another townie and go down 2 good guys day one to another **** up by ncst8

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:34 PM
vote: ncst8

this sucks. he is such an asshole. rep rape....go, go, go!

I second this...

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 09:35 PM
If he's for sure a good role, there is no sense in lynching him... mod killing him is more logical... then we would go about lynching any other person.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:35 PM
If he's for sure a good role, there is no sense in lynching him... mod killing him is more logical... then we would go about lynching any other person.

1 good guy dead > 2 good guys dead.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:36 PM
By the way I think snicho might be on a flight from Melbourne to Sydney, which is why he hasn't checked in.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:36 PM
and ncst8 sucks

SuperMcGee
05-13-2012, 09:36 PM
I missed it. But I get the gist and highly doubt there's going to be any other result today.

vote: ncst8

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:37 PM
If he's for sure a good role, there is no sense in lynching him... mod killing him is more logical... then we would go about lynching any other person.

I would prefer to only lose one good guy today... espcially since we can potentially lose 1-3 tonight. I don't really want to go down 3-5 people after the first day.

ncst8fan83
05-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Just so i get this straight, Caddy can say he's a cop and it's cool, but I can't give a reference to a group that has 4/5 members? ooookay.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:38 PM
it's like a half hour flight. tell him to tell the pilots to quit dicking around.

Stop being a jerky jerk.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Updated Vote Count:

ncst8 (12): Caddy, GG, JBond, bulldogs, R4L, ATL, CMD, IBC, Rob, vidae, njx, McGee

With 25 people alive, 13 are needed for majority.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Just so i get this straight, Caddy can say he's a cop and it's cool, but I can't......

ummm....no you can't. read.

ncst8fan83
05-13-2012, 09:40 PM
no character claiming. role claiming is ok. did you read the rules at all?

where did I saw my character's name? I mean, you saw and edited the post, so of course you can tell me which specific character I am by that edited post, correct?

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:43 PM
where did I saw my character's name? I mean, you saw and edited the post, so of course you can tell me which specific character I am by that edited post, correct?


-- DO NOT NAME DROP. If we could refrain from using names across the board, or hinting, that would be awesome. I’m telling everyone who their actual character is so you shouldn’t have to speculate about yourself even! You may role drop at your own risk.


Dude its right there... You hinted people saw. Grizz tried to ninja edit but failed to get it in quick enough. Plain and simple.

Job Reborn
05-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Stupidest day one fast-lynch ever. We won't even get any sort of info. I refuse to vote ncst8 off.

Rob S
05-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Someone kill him already

ncst8fan83
05-13-2012, 09:44 PM
**** it. Whatever man. Just trying to play the game and let you all know it would be a fruitless day 1 kill. Whatever though. Shouldn't have signed up for this one. My bad.

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:45 PM
Stupidest day one fast-lynch ever. We won't even get any sort of info. I refuse to vote ncst8 off.

So he gets mod killed? Then we risk losing 2 members of the town. Is it really worth your principled stand?

GallopingGhost
05-13-2012, 09:46 PM
I'm neg repping this *****.. lmao.

I guess i wanted to go after a second because i'm ballsy, but i understand the logic behind not doing it.

Job Reborn
05-13-2012, 09:49 PM
I like how nobody has responded (other than GG) to my role claim. I'll assume that means you are all ok with it.

I think it's very stupid cause the mafia likely has a strongman.

Caddy
05-13-2012, 09:53 PM
I think it's very stupid cause the mafia likely has a strongman.

I doubt it. Roleblocker probably though.

Job Reborn
05-13-2012, 09:54 PM
I doubt it. Roleblocker probably though.

Why do you doubt it? There was a 2x strongman in the last game. Who modded it? Yeah, Grizz (and ibc).

ImBrotherCain
05-13-2012, 09:55 PM
Why do you doubt it? There was a 2x strongman in the last game. Who modded it? Yeah, Grizz (and ibc).

It was more cannon for DBZ though. Admittedly I don't know Psych so I don't know if there is one.

Job Reborn
05-13-2012, 09:58 PM
It was more cannon for DBZ though. Admittedly I don't know Psych so I don't know if there is one.

I don't see why not. Yang was pretty good at destroying someone who was in everybody's sight in season 5 (or was it 4).

Trogdor
05-13-2012, 09:59 PM
Vote: ncst8

Voted and beg rep's. What a tool.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 10:00 PM
Final Vote Count:

ncst8 (13): Caddy, GG, JBond, bulldogs, R4L, ATL, CMD, IBC, Rob, vidae, njx, McGee, Trogdor

With 25 people alive, 13 are needed for majority.

Grizzlegom
05-13-2012, 10:06 PM
ncst8fan83, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. You have the right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, one will be provided unto you.

http://www.tvequals.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/NUP_135027_03061-332x500.jpg

ncst8fan83 (Tony, Townie) has been arrested.

SEND ME YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS!!!

Grizzlegom
05-14-2012, 08:50 AM
As the town gathers for day two, they are greeted by an unusual sight. For there lies Forenci, knocked unconscious with a bag of drugs in his arms.

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Forenci (Pierre Despereaux, Thief/Silencer) has been arrested.

The town finds a note at the station, as they decipher the note, they are led to the local amusement park. There, strung up on the Ferris Wheel, they find JBond’s body. It appears they’ve lost round one.

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Shane P. Hallam (Ken, Triggered Bodyguard) has been killed.

With 22 people alive, 12 votes are needed for majority.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 08:52 AM
Well...a...3rd party? That's the usual 3rd party color at least.

Brothgar
05-14-2012, 09:07 AM
WHY!!! WHY didn't ken use his karate on him!

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:07 AM
Alright so, I'm going to throw this out there.

I'm calling ******** on Caddy. ******** ******** triple ******* ****-sucking ********.

1.) Given the amount of participants in each game, the likelihood of him being a Cop back to back like that is about 1/744.

2.) He saw how easily he could lead the sheep-like townies to slaughter if he wanted to in the last game. The town is inherently stupid and will rally behind anyone they can feel like they trust.

3.) Claiming Cop on day 1 like that as a baddie serves two purposes:
A.) Potentially steals protection from legitimate powered townies.
B.) An actual cop counter-claiming basically outs that person as a cop, giving the mafia their target.

It was a stupid move and I like the odds of him being evil and trying to send the town for a loop far better than him being an actual cop.

Caddy commanding the town and leading them right off a cliff is happening (maybe literally in the game) over my dead body.

Vote: Caddy

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:12 AM
Alright so, I'm going to throw this out there.

I'm calling ******** on Caddy. ******** ******** triple ******* ****-sucking ********.

1.) Given the amount of participants in each game, the likelihood of him being a Cop back to back like that is about 1/744.

2.) He saw how easily he could lead the sheep-like townies to slaughter if he wanted to in the last game. The town is inherently stupid and will rally behind anyone they can feel like they trust.

3.) Claiming Cop on day 1 like that as a baddie serves two purposes:
A.) Potentially steals protection from legitimate powered townies.
B.) An actual cop counter-claiming basically outs that person as a cop, giving the mafia their target.

It was a stupid move and I like the odds of him being evil and trying to send the town for a loop far better than him being an actual cop.

Caddy commanding the town and leading them right off a cliff is happening (maybe literally in the game) over my dead body.

Vote: Caddy

I was thinking this as well... but you are kinda acting like a crazy person right now which is slightly off putting.

Snicho
05-14-2012, 09:13 AM
Hello all, sorry for not being active for day one. My plane got delayed.

Alrighty so getting caught up on things... im not sure i understand the pineapple situation? Bur okay.

The writeup from last night... forenci died with drugs in his hands? could that give us an idea as to who he tried to steal from? And loosing a bodyguard already is really gonna hurt.

BB im not sold on Caddy being an evil cop? Caddy is a smart player. He wouldnt come out like that if he were evil... Its too obvious and seems unlike him?

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:15 AM
I was thinking this as well... but you are kinda acting like a crazy person right now which is slightly off putting.

I'm just taking the "action" you yourself claimed to preach on day 1.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:18 AM
BB im not sold on Caddy being an evil cop? Caddy is a smart player. He wouldnt come out like that if he were evil... Its too obvious and seems unlike him?

You've been burned by trusting him too readily before as I recall.

And that's probably the exact thing he wants to cause. Even if you throw out the statistical improbability as a weak argument, it leaves you with the fact that cop calling on day 1 benefits the mafia more than anyone.

A.) He actually IS a Cop, and the mafia now knows full well they need to get him out of the game. Perhaps they have an unblockable kill or something to do just that.

B.) He isn't a cop, and is pulling this based on my above reasoning. Steal protection from real town-aligned investigators, force a town-aligned cop to reveal himself in a counter-claim, and to just generally lead the town to their own destruction.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:19 AM
I'm just taking the "action" you yourself claimed to preach on day 1.

I understand. If I were to vote right now it would be for Caddy as well although I haven't reread the thread yet to make an honest accusal.

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 09:20 AM
Lets see what caddy has to say before we just condem him?

Snicho
05-14-2012, 09:21 AM
Yes wel you got me there BB, and I will not be trusting Caddy anymore, but the thread has only been open for like 30 mins that we should really give it more time. Im gonna head to bed soon also as its nearly 1am but ill check back in in a couple hours.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:24 AM
I will say this... If Caddy is in fact evil he is playing far different than he usually does. Not just coming out as a Cop but was brazenly attacking ncst8. He started his lynch train and then proceed to call for his modkill and basically make it so ncst8 had to die.

That is a bold way for a Mafia member to play. Sure he might be doing it to deceive but it is definitely not his typical slow play style.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:26 AM
With all that said it looks as if Caddy may be silenced. Does this mean that JBond protected Caddy and Forenci targeted him as well?

Something to think about.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:28 AM
I will say this... If Caddy is in fact evil he is playing far different than he usually does. Not just coming out as a Cop but was brazenly attacking ncst8. He started his lynch train and then proceed to call for his modkill and basically make it so ncst8 had to die.

That is a bold way for a Mafia member to play. Sure he might be doing it to deceive but it is definitely not his typical slow play style.

Some counterpoints:

- As mafia, he would have known that ncst8 was not mafia and a mod-kill would likely have meant that two townies would have died yesterday (odds are in favor of a townie being lynched day 1 anyway,) a major boon to the mafia.

- If the Frieza game changed his perspective like it did mine, he knows that the town can be dominated by a strong, trustworthy presence. Cop claiming is risky to counterclaim, and he can use the knowledge he gets by simply being in the mafia to make good/evil declarations. I'll bet good money on his "investigation" from last night having been used on a townie.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:29 AM
With all that said it looks as if Caddy may be silenced. Does this mean that JBond protected Caddy and Forenci targeted him as well?

Something to think about.

Unbelievable. Just un-*******-believable.

Brothgar
05-14-2012, 09:29 AM
Right now I believe that either Caddy or BB is evil. Outing himself as a cop day 1 doesn't sound like Caddy at all. My guess is either BB is an investigator and checked up on caddy or BB is a minor evil role who would happily be sacrificed to get rid of a cop who will likely be constantly protected. Either way it is an interesting new tactic.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:31 AM
Unbelievable. Just un-*******-believable.

Are you alright over there buddy?

This is you right now -> :freakout:

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:33 AM
Are you alright over there buddy?

This is you right now -> :freakout:

I've been building my case against him all morning, even going so far as to do math, ready to stand toe to toe and go the full day not backing down, ready to sacrifice my own life if need be to make sure he can't just run the town into the ground...and now he might not even be able to talk because of a 3rd party silencer. God dammit.

No one is going to vote for him without him getting to speak first and I just made myself target #1. Hell no I'm not alright.

Trogdor
05-14-2012, 09:34 AM
Strange play all around. Caddy leaping head-first into danger is curious and BB made a ton of good points while sounding borderline deranged :D

Agree with Cain LOL. BB is probably jogging laps around his computer.

:freakout:


Too many people haven't weighed in yet but given the limited about here I'm thinking Caddy's extremely bold call is the most curious move so far.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 09:35 AM
Vote: ImBrotherCain

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:36 AM
And you wonder why people are afraid to take stands and action in these games. I'm so deflated right now.

Vote: ImBrotherCain

That's going to require elaboration...

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 09:38 AM
Vote Broth

I dont like people who give us two opposing sides. It seems to me that it is very mafia like.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:38 AM
And you wonder why people are afraid to take stands and action in these games. I'm so deflated right now.



That's going to require elaboration...

I am just as lost as you are... Can I go back to not having a reputation in these games. It either gets me killed or a high priority target.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 09:38 AM
And you wonder why people are afraid to take stands and action in these games. I'm so deflated right now.



That's going to require elaboration...

Because this :

With all that said it looks as if Caddy may be silenced. Does this mean that JBond protected Caddy and Forenci targeted him as well?

Something to think about.

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:41 AM
Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Caddy is posting all across the boards but here... I can link them if you would like. Yet with BB throwing the gauntlets down Caddy doesn't show.

We have a confirmed silencer and JBond was a bodyguard and is dead... So he could have protected someone and died because of it. That is pretty damn straight forward if I do say so myself.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:42 AM
The protector wouldn't have protected against the silence alive or dead, if that's what you're saying.

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 09:43 AM
Caddy is prolly silenced.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:43 AM
Hooray phone posting while waiting for my class to show up. If forenci died, wpuldnt he have been unable to use his power? So unless theres another silencer, i dont see how hed be silenced.

As a mod you typically do it have all actions (Such as investigations, roleblocks, frames and the like) take place and then that is followed by the kills.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:43 AM
Hooray phone posting while waiting for my class to show up. If forenci died, wpuldnt he have been unable to use his power? So unless theres another silencer, i dont see how hed be silenced.

Kills are (typically) the "last" thing that happens during the night. So any actions you use, even if you are killed, will still work.

At least that's the way I mod, read that others mad, and seems like Grizz would mod based on his previous games.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 09:44 AM
Caddy is posting all across the boards but here... I can link them if you would like. Yet with BB throwing the gauntlets down Caddy doesn't show.

We have a confirmed silencer and JBond was a bodyguard and is dead... So he could have protected someone and died because of it. That is pretty damn straight forward if I do say so myself.

You are right. I only noticed Caddy's post in the vampire sign-up where he said he wouldn't be there until 5 (which he had said directly to you). Didn't see he had kept on posting in the other threads, so I thought you of all people would know he had another reason for not posting. But with him posting in other threads, it suddenly makes a whole lotta sense. My bad.

Unvote : ImBrotherCain

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:44 AM
The protector wouldn't have protected against the silence alive or dead, if that's what you're saying.

I am not... I was just spit balling that Caddy could have been protected by JBond. I know that wouldn't have stopped anything but a kill.

Brothgar
05-14-2012, 09:45 AM
Vote Broth

I dont like people who give us two opposing sides. It seems to me that it is very mafia like.

:njx: Right now I have no idea who to trust and who not I only pose possible scenarios.

I think that IBC and Caddy are on the same side the defense seems too strong for him not to know one way or another. If I were to guess I'd say both are evil but can't say for sure.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:46 AM
I am not... I was just spit balling that Caddy could have been protected by JBond. I know that wouldn't have stopped anything but a kill.

Well, considering it was Shane, I wouldn't be surprised if he were just flat out targeted by the mafia.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:46 AM
Also why is Bulldogs not posting?

Brothgar
05-14-2012, 09:47 AM
OK I'm going to be on a bus for the next nearly 10 hours or more so I won't be able to vote today. I wonder if Caddy is actually silenced or just acting.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:48 AM
Hmm...my gut tells me it's unlikely to have multiple silencers. And caddy has just pulled random **** out of his ass before (not voting = bulletproof?) so maybe he's only pretending to be silenced to get out of a day of being suspicious. I knew I should have held out longer on revealing my thoughts...

If bulldogs doesn't post either, this is something we should definitely consider.

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 09:49 AM
The thing is, it just seems like a: lets lynch one if he is good lynch the other. Thats the best thing for mafia to do

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 09:51 AM
I'm here just reading the last two pages.

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 09:53 AM
I think Forenci silencing Caddy while Shane blocked the death makes the most sense right now.

Raiderz4Life
05-14-2012, 09:53 AM
Bout to take a final bbs

Brothgar
05-14-2012, 09:53 AM
The thing is, it just seems like a: lets lynch one if he is good lynch the other. Thats the best thing for mafia to do

It just seems weird how hard BB is going after Caddy and how convenient it is that he is "silenced" I just have a hard time believing everyone is innocent in this scenario.

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 09:54 AM
It just seems weird how hard BB is going after Caddy and how convenient it is that he is "silenced" I just have a hard time believing everyone is innocent in this scenario.

Considering Forenci was a silencer and part of a lone neutral party I think it makes plenty of sense.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 09:56 AM
Silence the potential cop in case he investigates you. And as a 3rd party, he wouldn't have known if caddy was BSing or telling the truth.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 09:57 AM
Do we have confirmation that he is part of a third party or could he just be mafia? I mean, why couldn't Grizz have chosen purple instead of red for mafia?

Grizzlegom
05-14-2012, 09:58 AM
Purple is neutral.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 09:58 AM
Do we have confirmation that he is part of a third party or could he just be mafia? I mean, why couldn't Grizz have chosen purple instead of red for mafia?

This is a possibility... I mean others have used purple for Mafia.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 09:58 AM
I also believe it's 3rd party due to history, but we're assuming a bunch of things here, let's not get caught into it too much.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 10:01 AM
Purple is neutral.

thank you.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 10:01 AM
So, where do we go from here?

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 10:03 AM
I suppose we wait to see if info comes out. If not we vote for who has been the most suspicious and see who backs who.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 10:04 AM
Well we all skipped something.

JBond was a triggered Bodyguard. With is claim of "Worst role ever" in the discussion thread it could be safe to make the assumption that he was forced to protect someone last night and was killed because of it.

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 10:05 AM
Well we all skipped something.

JBond was a triggered Bodyguard. With is claim of "Worst role ever" in the discussion thread it could be safe to make the assumption that he was forced to protect someone last night and was killed because of it.

I saw that, I just assumed he protected Caddy.

edit: that doesn't make sense, Forenci couldn't kill. Maybe a thief was the trigger. I have no idea.

vidae
05-14-2012, 10:08 AM
I for one believe Caddy. As far as JBond goes, I have no idea. Anyone have any information?

SuperMcGee
05-14-2012, 10:15 AM
Of course Ken is gone after one day as a bodyguard

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 10:16 AM
Does Ken specifically guard anyone in the show? That could give us a hint to who may have been attacked last night (assuming it wasn't JBond).

ATLDirtyBirds
05-14-2012, 10:18 AM
The move by Caddy is very much out of character. Caddy's usually very big on the long discussions, wait and see, and second guessing.

For him to come out and say, "I'm a cop, protect me" (when he usually calls out people for demanding protection, knows the potential of him being the lazy/incompetent cop, etc) warrants heavy suspicion. I believe he not only called for protection, but called for an investigation into himself by the watcher? Odd.

vidae
05-14-2012, 10:23 AM
Ken isn't a.. protector in the show. He's an intern for the agency who doesn't get paid and who Shawn and Gus basically take advantage of, haha. I think maybe he could have protected Shawn or Gus, but it said he was a backup protector, right? Maybe he hasn't protected anyone yet.

vidae
05-14-2012, 10:24 AM
Oh it says TRIGGERED Bodyguard.. that is different. Maybe Shawn or Gus were attacked because I don't recall him having any contact with anyone else..

ATLDirtyBirds
05-14-2012, 10:25 AM
Also, unless someone comes forward with some info, I wouldn't mind going for a lynch on Snicho. Since we learned nothing day one, it's worth noting that there has been a definite link between Snicho and Caddy.

SuperMcGee
05-14-2012, 10:27 AM
The move by Caddy is very much out of character. Caddy's usually very big on the long discussions, wait and see, and second guessing.

For him to come out and say, "I'm a cop, protect me" (when he usually calls out people for demanding protection, knows the potential of him being the lazy/incompetent cop, etc) warrants heavy suspicion. I believe he not only called for protection, but called for an investigation into himself by the watcher? Odd.

Dirty Cop could be a possibility? That's occurred a few times on the show, sometimes as a pretty big plot advancer.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 10:29 AM
Oh it says TRIGGERED Bodyguard.. that is different. Maybe Shawn or Gus were attacked because I don't recall him having any contact with anyone else..

Yeah I was going to say he isn't a backup. Thats why I asked if he protected anyone in the show because of the Trigger.

There is the distinct possibility that he was attacked last night.

Rob S
05-14-2012, 10:30 AM
How many cops is normal for a game of this size?

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 10:31 AM
I'd say 3 max, maybe 2.

vidae
05-14-2012, 10:33 AM
Well we can list what we know.. we know Jules, Lassiter, and Henry are in the show, and maybe even the Chief. Maybe even McNabb. That's 5. I doubt all of them would have investigative powers though. Mary is probably around somewhere too, but I don't know what he'd do as far as powers go.

I'm thinking we have a protector or two and two or three (at most) investigators.

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 10:34 AM
Just read up what i missed and i'm thinking BB is an investigator and investigated Caddy last night, so he saw Caddy was evil and is now trying REALLY HARD to lynch him.

OR

BB has an evil (non important) role and is trying to lynch one of the most important characters. Then if we lynch Caddy (who is good) he could come out and say he is an investigator and that his results must have been tampered with.

vidae
05-14-2012, 10:35 AM
It is rather weird how much BB wants Caddy to die. And it isn't a little bit, it's a lot. It just struck me as odd.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 10:35 AM
It is rather weird how much BB wants Caddy to die. And it isn't a little bit, it's a lot. It just struck me as odd.

Not if you read the few pages of BB going insane in the Frieza game.

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 10:37 AM
It is rather weird how much BB wants Caddy to die. And it isn't a little bit, it's a lot. It just struck me as odd.

That's what is making me think BB is an investigator, he investigated Caddy and the results back back as evil.

I dont see why else he would be this determined.

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 10:38 AM
Not if you read the few pages of BB going insane in the Frieza game.

BB was evil in that game...Hmmm...

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 10:40 AM
BB was evil in that game...Hmmm...

I mean more of his reasoning behind it less about alliance. Caddy used his power as "Goku" to basically herd the sheep that was the town. His first argument was that Caddy was attempting to do the same.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 10:40 AM
Alright so, I'm going to throw this out there.

I'm calling ******** on Caddy. ******** ******** triple ******* ****-sucking ********.

1.) Given the amount of participants in each game, the likelihood of him being a Cop back to back like that is about 1/744.

2.) He saw how easily he could lead the sheep-like townies to slaughter if he wanted to in the last game. The town is inherently stupid and will rally behind anyone they can feel like they trust.

3.) Claiming Cop on day 1 like that as a baddie serves two purposes:
A.) Potentially steals protection from legitimate powered townies.
B.) An actual cop counter-claiming basically outs that person as a cop, giving the mafia their target.

It was a stupid move and I like the odds of him being evil and trying to send the town for a loop far better than him being an actual cop.

Caddy commanding the town and leading them right off a cliff is happening (maybe literally in the game) over my dead body.

Vote: Caddy

Here is his reasoning

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 10:40 AM
I went insane in that game to try and lead the town as far away from Fenikz/Frieza as possible since I was already suspicious and had used up my powers.

Here, I legitimately think that caddy is BSing and him outing himself as a cop day one is an attempt to lead the town astray for the reasons I mention here (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997843&#post2997843) and here (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997855&#post2997855) and here. (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997871&#post2997871)

vidae
05-14-2012, 10:41 AM
I dunno, I guess I fall into the category of people who believe Caddy is good. I don't find what he did to be at all suspicious. A little dumb sure, but not suspicious.

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 10:41 AM
have we thought about lynching superpacker yet

SuperMcGee
05-14-2012, 10:42 AM
Well we can list what we know.. we know Jules, Lassiter, and Henry are in the show, and maybe even the Chief. Maybe even McNabb. That's 5. I doubt all of them would have investigative powers though. Mary is probably around somewhere too, but I don't know what he'd do as far as powers go.

I'm thinking we have a protector or two and two or three (at most) investigators.

I could definitely see one as a protector. One as a good investigator, another one could be paranoid. Then there's the long lost chief of police role.

Grizzlegom
05-14-2012, 10:44 AM
Updated Vote Count:

Caddy (1): BeerBaron
Broth (1): Renji

With 22 people alive, 12 are needed for majority.

Raiderz4Life
05-14-2012, 10:45 AM
have we thought about lynching superpacker yet

Never a bad idea.

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 10:45 AM
I went insane in that game to try and lead the town as far away from Fenikz/Frieza as possible since I was already suspicious and had used up my powers.

Here, I legitimately think that caddy is BSing and him outing himself as a cop day one is an attempt to lead the town astray for the reasons I mention here (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997843&#post2997843) and here (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997855&#post2997855) and here. (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997871&#post2997871)

So it's just a hunch? Or do you have more to go on?

You're argument seems to strong for a hunch.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 10:51 AM
It's a strong hunch grounded in logic and reason.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Just caught up and I'm having a hard time overlooking one thing...

Forenci was a thief/silencer and has allegedly silenced Caddy. That would also mean he stole something from Caddy before he died and he was found with a giant bag of weed haha. Can someone who knows Psych confirm if that goes along with Forenci's character or if it seems off? Just thought this shouldn't be overlooked.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 11:00 AM
*bag of drugs, sorry

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 11:01 AM
Just caught up and I'm having a hard time overlooking one thing...

Forenci was a thief/silencer and has allegedly silenced Caddy. That would also mean he stole something from Caddy before he died and he was found with a giant bag of weed haha. Can someone who knows Psych confirm if that goes along with Forenci's character or if it seems off? Just thought this shouldn't be overlooked.

I was thinking that myself. Does that mean it was Caddy's or was it just Forenci's character?

Also would Grizz give us a hint like that?

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:01 AM
If Forenci was the thief and silencer, could he do both at the same time? If so, they were obviously Caddy's Drugs lol.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 11:02 AM
Well if it doesn't fit Forenci's character we have to assume he got it from somewhere, the logical explanation being he stole it from Caddy.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:03 AM
Well in my game, Thief was basically a combo roleblocker and weak investigator. Could be that here, if the thief steals from you, you're silenced and he gets a weak clue.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:04 AM
Well if it doesn't fit Forenci's character we have to assume he got it from somewhere, the logical explanation being he stole it from Caddy.

I'm normally very, very pro marijuana legalization so it kills me to say this, but in a game based on a show, I have to figure that weed would belong to a baddie.

What's the deal with jail btw? Us being able to question people in jail would rock.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 11:05 AM
I'm normally very, very pro marijuana legalization so it kills me to say this, but in a game based on a show, I have to figure that weed would belong to a baddie.

What's the deal with jail btw? Us being able to question people in jail would rock.

1. It actually says bag of drugs, not weed...my mistake.

2. Pretty sure jail just means they're dead in the game.

vidae
05-14-2012, 11:14 AM
I can't recall anyone, evil or good, having drugs on them. I'm trying to remember though.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 11:14 AM
Well here is Forenci's character... http://psychusa.wikia.com/wiki/Pierre_Despereaux

There is no mention of drugs but that is a limited source.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 11:15 AM
Ya it looks like he's just a cat burglar or something along those lines. Doesn't really seem like the drugs fit the character but vidae says they don't fit the series at all so maybe we're reaching.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:16 AM
Grizz wouldn't have mentioned them if there wasn't a point to it. First rule of modding - Less is more.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 11:17 AM
I can't recall anyone, evil or good, having drugs on them. I'm trying to remember though.

Yin wants to use drugs on Gus and Spencer to kill them in the season five finale. So yeah, there is.

Gus works in pharmaceutical, so technically I guess drugs could be stolen from him, though I think it's unlikely.


Or Gus' boss if he's in the game.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 11:17 AM
Ya it looks like he's just a cat burglar or something along those lines. Doesn't really seem like the drugs fit the character but vidae says they don't fit the series at all so maybe we're reaching.

Grizz is pretty cannon with his write ups. I think this is enough suspicion for me to vote Caddy

Vote: Caddy

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:18 AM
Grizz wouldn't say he had drugs for no reason. It obviously means something.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 11:20 AM
Grizz is pretty cannon with his write ups. I think this is enough suspicion for me to vote Caddy

Vote: Caddy

While I would not mind voting him off (I was about to vote him in my previous post), I don't think lynching someone who doesn't even have a chance to defend himself is the thing to do right now. Maybe we should wait for Day 3.

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 11:22 AM
Well, I'm stuck right now. As of now I'm leaning Broth. I wasn't a fan of him trying to take the stance that either BB or Caddy has to be evil.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 11:23 AM
While I would not mind voting him off (I was about to vote him in my previous post), I don't think lynching someone who doesn't even have a chance to defend himself is the thing to do right now. Maybe we should wait for Day 3.

Honestly at the moment we don't have a better option. Everyone is going to clamor for information but most investigators hold back for a couple days.

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Yin wants to use drugs on Gus and Spencer to kill them in the season five finale. So yeah, there is.

Gus works in pharmaceutical, so technically I guess drugs could be stolen from him, though I think it's unlikely.

Wait, so Yin has drugs and wants to kill Gus?

Gus is an investigator and Yin is a bad guy, right?

Meaning Forenci stole drugs from Yin, but Forenci stole from and silenced Caddy. Which would mean Caddy is evil...

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 11:24 AM
If someone can provide evidence the other way I might be persuaded but right now I think this is the best course of action.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 11:27 AM
Caddy could be Yin, or anyone working in pharmaceuticals. We're already pretty much living a second Day 1 (i.e: We're in the dark, going off nothing) thanks to not having any info from the prior day. Quick-lynching someone who can't even say anything will hardly help us find other bad guys in the upcoming days.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 11:29 AM
Alright well I don't see a better option right now tbh. I don't think Grizz would include the drugs unless it was relevant and based on past games I have a hard time believing Caddy is an investigator with the way he came out like that day one, at least not a town aligned investigator.

vote: Lynch Caddy

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:29 AM
Caddy could be Yin, or anyone working in pharmaceuticals. We're already pretty much living a second Day 1 (i.e: We're in the dark, going off nothing) thanks to not having any info from the prior day. Quick-lynching someone who can't even say anything will hardly help us find other bad guys in the upcoming days.

Ok. Well i think there's a good chance Caddy is Yin, then Forenci stole the drugs and silenced him.

Don't know who Gus is, but would be be an investigator in a mafia game?

vidae
05-14-2012, 11:33 AM
I very much doubt Gus is an investigator. That doesn't add up in my mind.

And I still don't think Caddy is evil, so unless we have more information to go off of, I will not be voting for him.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:36 AM
Pro-tip: The next time someone calls you out as being suspicious, pretend to be silenced. No one will vote you off!

Rob S
05-14-2012, 11:37 AM
I really think Caddy is evil fwiw.

vote: Caddy

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:37 AM
Well Caddy claims to be an investigator, but no one associated with drugs could be an investigator and one of the main people associated to drugs, is evil.

Vote: Caddy

Grizzlegom
05-14-2012, 11:38 AM
Updated Vote Count:

Caddy (5): BeerBaron, IBC, Todd, Rob, SP
Broth (1): Renji

With 22 people alive, 12 are needed for majority.

Bulldogs
05-14-2012, 11:39 AM
Pro-tip: The next time someone calls you out as being suspicious, pretend to be silenced. No one will vote you off!

It worked for your fellow mafia member Wooty!

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:39 AM
Pro-tip: The next time someone calls you out as being suspicious, pretend to be silenced. No one will vote you off!

It backfires when you're about to get lynched and you can't come in to defend yourself.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:40 AM
It backfires when you're about to get lynched and you can't come in to defend yourself.

Well aware. I wouldn't have brought it up if I wasn't willing to take that risk.

vidae
05-14-2012, 11:41 AM
Well Caddy claims to be an investigator, but no one associated with drugs could be an investigator and one of the main people associated to drugs, is evil.

Vote: Caddy

Two things:

1) No one associated with drugs could be an Investigator? We don't know that.

2) Just because Forenci was a Thief doesn't mean the drugs were from Caddy.

I think you guys are going to kill an innocent person.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:41 AM
Well aware. I wouldn't have brought it up if I wasn't willing to take that risk.

Lynching caddy I mean. It would seem that the silencer is out of commission anyway.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:44 AM
Two things:

1) No one associated with drugs could be an Investigator? We don't know that.

2) Just because Forenci was a Thief doesn't mean the drugs were from Caddy.

I think you guys are going to kill an innocent person.

Mine was not special, I took it pretty much from here:

************.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Thief

The Thief is an informative role that targets one player each night to steal an item related to that player's role. They are told what they stole.

In essence, Thief is a flavorful Flavor Cop, and on occasion a permanent Roleblocker.

I just made my temporary roleblocker instead of permanent.

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:45 AM
Two things:

1) No one associated with drugs could be an Investigator? We don't know that.

2) Just because Forenci was a Thief doesn't mean the drugs were from Caddy.

I think you guys are going to kill an innocent person.

Are any of the people you named as possible investigators associated with Drugs?

Well Forenci appears to have silenced Caddy and he was found with drugs in his hand. I don't know for sure obviously, but it looks like Forenci targeted Caddy, silenced him and stole his drugs, and then died.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:47 AM
Also, again, Forenci is "in jail," not dead. A distinction wouldn't have been made if there was not a reason for it. (Back to the whole "less is more" rule of modding.)

I think that will play a part headed forward.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 11:48 AM
Two things:

1) No one associated with drugs could be an Investigator? We don't know that.

2) Just because Forenci was a Thief doesn't mean the drugs were from Caddy.

I think you guys are going to kill an innocent person.

1) We don't actually know he's an investigator.

2) They weren't from Forenci's character and Grizz wouldn't have included them unless it was relevant, leading me to believe it's a clue about Caddy.

Todd Bertuzzi
05-14-2012, 11:50 AM
Also, again, Forenci is "in jail," not dead. A distinction wouldn't have been made if there was not a reason for it. (Back to the whole "less is more" rule of modding.)

I think that will play a part headed forward.

ncst8 was also "arrested." Shane was killed though so I'm not sure what this all means.

SuperPacker
05-14-2012, 11:50 AM
Also, again, Forenci is "in jail," not dead. A distinction wouldn't have been made if there was not a reason for it. (Back to the whole "less is more" rule of modding.)

I think that will play a part headed forward.

Forenci was 'knocked unconsious'. Maybe he could back alive?

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 11:52 AM
Forenci was 'knocked unconsious'. Maybe he could back alive?

Pierre Despereaux is pretty much a jailbreak artist. I'm betting we'll see him again.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 11:55 AM
Pierre Despereaux is pretty much a jailbreak artist. I'm betting we'll see him again.

Yeah, I don't know much about the show, but that is the kind of thing I was expecting to hear.

There wouldn't be a distinction made if there wasn't a reason for it.

Raiderz4Life
05-14-2012, 11:56 AM
I'm not trusting Caddy and I think BB and other ppl have brought very good points.

lynch caddy

Dr. Gonzo
05-14-2012, 12:04 PM
Vote: Caddy

Wasn't able to post day one but Caddy coming out as a cop screamed ******** to me.

Grizzlegom
05-14-2012, 12:10 PM
Updated Vote Count:

Caddy (7): BeerBaron, IBC, Todd, Rob, SP, Gonzo, R4L
Broth (1): Renji

With 22 people alive, 12 are needed for majority.

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 12:19 PM
I think you find out more with voting patterns/ who defends a person than you do discussion. As a town we most likely know nothing. So we find out information when we vote for people and how people react to the voting.

No one will stick up for someone unless they are known part of a team. Which 8 times out of 10 means they are Mafia. We have seen how 1st days can spiral out of control when people get hung up on little things. I mean do I really have to reference the 25 page Shane vs Gonzo crap. So you can advocate "discussion" I will preach action.

- Says voting patterns are critical
- Says people won't stick up for eachother unless they are part of a team, which is utterly false.
- Discourages discussion.
- Encourages a quick lynch.

Dude... Its day one. What better reason is their to lynch a person besides that.

- Again pressing for the quick lynch.


One out of how many in all the games we have played. The town are sheep. They follow in lynch trains and they follow investigators. Its rare to see someone stick their neck on the line for someone they don't know is good. Right now we need to get people to think for themselves, go with their gut and analyze posts/ voting patterns.

That will give the town more than most investigations I feel.

- Complains about people being sheeps despite having encouraged people to sheep in his previous posts.
- Suddenly says we should analyze posts after having discouraged discussion in prior posts.

I would say a bit of both but if Grizz mod kills him then we most likely have another vote making it more likely we kill another townie and go down 2 good guys day one to another **** up by ncst8

- Argues AGAINST having an additionnal day lynch. This makes no sense, as the most often the town has a say on who gets killed, the better the town's chances of finding mafia. Here we have IBC basically taking a stand AGAINST having more information, and AGAINST getting more votes for his beloved voting patterns, effectively contradicting himself in a BIG way.

With all that said it looks as if Caddy may be silenced. Does this mean that JBond protected Caddy and Forenci targeted him as well?

Something to think about.

- First to bring up Jbond possibly protecting Caddy. Did you have any information has to who the mafia really targeted?

I was thinking this as well... but you are kinda acting like a crazy person right now which is slightly off putting.

I was thinking that myself. Does that mean it was Caddy's or was it just Forenci's character?


- Twice : Someone brings up a good point, and goes "Oh I was also thinking that". Care to actually bring it up the next time? Seems to me like you're either faking to be analyzing the posts like the other guys have been, or that you are withholding information.

Honestly at the moment we don't have a better option. Everyone is going to clamor for information but most investigators hold back for a couple days.
If someone can provide evidence the other way I might be persuaded but right now I think this is the best course of action.

- Once again discouraging discussion.
- Once again going for a very fast lynch.

Another big point of interest : While repeating a couple of times that observing voting patterns was KEY to the town's success, he's been favoring a rapid lynch of someone in which EVERY voting person actually votes for the same person. Voting patterns really aren't carrying that much information when they consist of a single, fast, unargued train.

So there. I think IBC's play has been more than suspicious.

vote: IBC

Dr. Gonzo
05-14-2012, 12:26 PM
I see what you mean about IBC. My thought process on Caddy is that he has to be evil. If not his play was beyond ********. If he was actually good he would have to know that he would be tailored by the mafia and made to look bad. It just doesn't make sense for him to do what he did. My thinking is he may be a weaker baddie and trying to draw the strong players out early. IBC being evil actually makes a lot of sense. For the record guys, I am not evil :)

ATLDirtyBirds
05-14-2012, 12:28 PM
I see what you mean about IBC. My thought process on Caddy is that he has to be evil. If not his play was beyond ********. If he was actually good he would have to know that he would be tailored by the mafia and made to look bad. It just doesn't make sense for him to do what he did. My thinking is he may be a weaker baddie and trying to draw the strong players out early. IBC being evil actually makes a lot of sense. For the record guys, I am not evil :)


Agreed on Caddy. How many times does he get on people who call to be investigated/protected, and yet he comes out with that right away? Strange. I'm not confident in him being evil yet, but I think he's the best option at this point, since the other investigators/watchers are going to keep quiet. (I would like to remind once again of a seeming linkage between Caddy and Snicho).


vote: Caddy

Grizzlegom
05-14-2012, 12:30 PM
Updated Vote Count:

Caddy (8): BeerBaron, IBC, Todd, Rob, SP, Gonzo, R4L, ATL
Broth (1): Renji
ImBrotherCain (1): Job

With 22 people alive, 12 are needed for majority.

Dr. Gonzo
05-14-2012, 12:30 PM
Agreed on Caddy. How many times does he get on people who call to be investigated/protected, and yet he comes out with that right away? Strange. I'm not confident in him being evil yet, but I think he's the best option at this point, since the other investigators/watchers are going to keep quiet. (I would like to remind once again of a seeming linkage between Caddy and Snicho).


vote: Caddy

Worst case scenario we get a lot of information. If he is good this play is far worse than what BD did last game.

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 12:35 PM
let me catch up on stuff

Dr. Gonzo
05-14-2012, 12:37 PM
I very much doubt Gus is an investigator. That doesn't add up in my mind.

And I still don't think Caddy is evil, so unless we have more information to go off of, I will not be voting for him.

What do you think we should do?

It also seems there are quite a few people laying though. *******.

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 12:38 PM
- Says voting patterns are critical
- Says people won't stick up for eachother unless they are part of a team, which is utterly false.
- Discourages discussion.
- Encourages a quick lynch.
- Again pressing for the quick lynch.
- Complains about people being sheeps despite having encouraged people to sheep in his previous posts.
- Suddenly says we should analyze posts after having discouraged discussion in prior posts.
- Argues AGAINST having an additionnal day lynch. This makes no sense, as the most often the town has a say on who gets killed, the better the town's chances of finding mafia. Here we have IBC basically taking a stand AGAINST having more information, and AGAINST getting more votes for his beloved voting patterns, effectively contradicting himself in a BIG way.

Yeah I said this I am not denying it... The fact is its day one. Talking in circles for 24 hours is pointless and ********. So of course I voted to lynch someone. Someone who was about to be mod killed and then have the voting continue. I am sorry that potentially losing 4 members of the town didn't really excite me. Yes we should analyze voting patterns and posts. Thats what today is for.

- First to bring up Jbond possibly protecting Caddy. Did you have any information has to who the mafia really targeted?

Dude seriously? Isn't this game about deduction. So I start to draw connections to what happened and it makes me suspicious? That sounds logical. :njx:

- Twice : Someone brings up a good point, and goes "Oh I was also thinking that". Care to actually bring it up the next time? Seems to me like you're either faking to be analyzing the posts like the other guys have been, or that you are withholding information.

Have been analyzing posts... I am glad you have picked around them to develop your in depth coverage to get me lynched. Also me saying I was thinking that with BB's post was minutes of the thread opening. Sorry I didn't create a fool proof write up with mathematical equations to prove my point before someone else said something.

Although I am pretty damn sure that I gave a detailed post about how this is out of Caddys character. But I guess the people after me that said he is playing differently SHOULD BE LYNCHED TOO.... KILLL THEMMMMM. **** this is just lunacy.

- Once again discouraging discussion.
- Once again going for a very fast lynch.

Another big point of interest : While repeating a couple of times that observing voting patterns was KEY to the town's success, he's been favoring a rapid lynch of someone in which EVERY voting person actually votes for the same person. Voting patterns really aren't carrying that much information when they consist of a single, fast, unargued train.

I voted for myself.... That doesn't mean 400 people need to follow me. Seriously I am one person acting in the towns best interest. I wasn't the hammer. Caddy isn't dead. There is more than enough time for a discussion. I said who I thought was bad and I voted for him. Plain and damn simple.

So there. I think IBC's play has been more than suspicious.

vote: IBC

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Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 12:40 PM
i think you guys are on a totally wrong track. i dont think something like what the person stole would ever be told to us during a writeup.

My guess is that forenci was targeted by vigilante. The drugs are just a reason for the "police" to arrest forenci which basically means killing him. Ergo the drugs are just a way to describe how he was "killed"

Dr. Gonzo
05-14-2012, 12:42 PM
i think you guys are on a totally wrong track. i dont think something like what the person stole would ever be told to us during a writeup.

My guess is that forenci was targeted by vigilante. The drugs are just a reason for the "police" to arrest forenci which basically means killing him. Ergo the drugs are just a way to describe how he was "killed"

Are you still catching up? The drugs are just one reason to vote Caddy and did not even factor into my vote.

ATLDirtyBirds
05-14-2012, 12:44 PM
Didn't someone already mention that the "jail/escape" thing is plausible though? It'd be nice if there were some confirmation on whether jail means dead.

Because if jail doesn't mean dead, could the "drug planting" be the work of some sort of dirty cop?

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 12:44 PM
kinda. i dont really get why caddy would come out if he was mafia. All it would do is get a real cop to look into him, come out with the info about him. While the cop is exposed, he will be protected if he is right.

I guess if a cop really looked into him we can try to find it, but i somehow dont get the vibe that he is bad.

Didn't someone already mention that the "jail/escape" thing is plausible though? It'd be nice if there were some confirmation on whether jail means dead.

Because if jail doesn't mean dead, could the "drug planting" be the work of some sort of dirty cop?
id be pretty sure jail is dead. The first person we lynched day one was "arrested" too

Job Reborn
05-14-2012, 12:46 PM
Yeah I said this I am not denying it... The fact is its day one. Talking in circles for 24 hours is pointless and ********. So of course I voted to lynch someone. Someone who was about to be mod killed and then have the voting continue. I am sorry that potentially losing 4 members of the town didn't really excite me. Yes we should analyze voting patterns and posts. Thats what today is for.


It is not pointless at all. It actually helps a whole lot to see who attacks who (and most importantly why). Who defends who (and why). Who says something out of character. Who says something that he will later contradict. Just because it doesn'T bring immediate result doesn'T mean that it is useless.

Furthermore, you should not be excited about losing 4 members of the town and that is nowhere near what I said. However, you definitely SHOULD be excited by the possibility of lynching a mafia member BEFORE we go to the night (where the killings are in mafia's hands). But clearly you were not interested in getting a bad guy.

Dude seriously? Isn't this game about deduction. So I start to draw connections to what happened and it makes me suspicious? That sounds logical.

Which is exactly what I did : drawing connections. While not important on a stand-alone basis, when mixed with the rest of the case, that part became relevant. I could send you back that sarcastic slur.

BeerBaron
05-14-2012, 12:47 PM
It's a brilliant ploy really, as I outline here (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997843&#post2997843) and here (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997855&#post2997855) and here. (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2997871&#post2997871)

ImBrotherCain
05-14-2012, 12:47 PM
It is not pointless at all. It actually helps a whole lot to see who attacks who (and most importantly why). Who defends who (and why). Who says something out of character. Who says something that he will later contradict. Just because it doesn'T bring immediate result doesn'T mean that it is useless.

Furthermore, you should not be excited about losing 4 members of the town and that is nowhere near what I said. However, you definitely SHOULD be excited by the possibility of lynching a mafia member BEFORE we go to the night (where the killings are in mafia's hands). But clearly you were not interested in getting a bad guy.

You mean out 1/4 - 1/5 shot of getting a bad guy? I am sorry those odds aren't something I want to toy with.

Gay Ork Wang
05-14-2012, 12:50 PM
Claiming cop if you are mafia just doenst make sense ever for a mafia. You put too much unnecessary attention on yourself. I mean why would someone do that? Wouldnt that beat the purpose of being a mafia?

Drawing out the real cop doesnt work. A cop doesnt know how many other cops there are, therefore counterclaiming is not really a viable choice to do.