Vampire Game - Day Five Page 34

[vidae]

I'm waiting for Shane, any new information OR our Town Leader to cast his vote. We elected him and I'll follow him until he leads us astray.

[GallopingGhost]

Meh, i don't think anything Shane says can persuade me otherwise. It would be next to ******** for someone to come out and get a goody this early for no reason. Unless someone knows for a fact shane is good (not being shane), BB is our best bet to trust.

[SuperMcGee]

Yeah, BB's type of revelation is not something I would want to jump on.

jrdrylie tossed out a LOT of names. Probably a townie being suspicious of everybody, but could be mixing in a few of his own with some goodies or hoping somebody picks up a name and runs with it. Can't say I want do so with any of them, at this point.

[SuperPacker]

I believe Shane didn't say he was a Miller, so BB investigated him knowing that his results wouldn't be false. He found he was evil and wants him lynched. Don't see why he's suspicious at all. Because he's calling out a fellow Mafioso?

[BeerBaron]

I'm with Vid here. I also always hate when cops come out early. Seems mighty suspect.

Like I said, I was hesitant at first but didn't want to risk dieing without revealing that info.

And with so many claimed millers around, I'm not even 100% sure. But Shane didn't claim anything yesterday, so I threw it out there.

[jrdrylie]

I'm waiting for Shane, any new information OR our Town Leader to cast his vote. We elected him and I'll follow him until he leads us astray.

You could argue that he already led us astray. He was the first to accuse Cigaro of possibly lying. Then he suggested that I could be lying to protect Cigaro.

[GallopingGhost]

I believe Shane didn't say he was a Miller, so BB investigated him knowing that his results wouldn't be false. He found he was evil and wants him lynched. Don't see why he's suspicious at all. Because he's calling out a fellow Mafioso?

Agreed, there is no reason to be suspicious of someone coming out as a seer this early on in this game. Not saying we should lynch Shane this moment, just saying put a little of faith into him. The hesitation of Rob S towards the matter gives me a little of suspicion just how straight our town leader is, although for now i now next to nothing for sure.

[Rob S]

It's always good to see what an accused person has to say. Discussion early in mafia games is our friend. Quick lynches are not. Everyone has their own suspicions and that's fine, they are no reason to jump to a rapid fire lynch.

[vidae]

You could argue that he already led us astray. He was the first to accuse Cigaro of possibly lying. Then he suggested that I could be lying to protect Cigaro.

I don't blame Rob for a miller being dead. So far there are what, four or five claims? Cigaro was as good a choice as anyone to test our theory out on.

[jrdrylie]

Yeah, BB's type of revelation is not something I would want to jump on.

jrdrylie tossed out a LOT of names. Probably a townie being suspicious of everybody, but could be mixing in a few of his own with some goodies or hoping somebody picks up a name and runs with it. Can't say I want do so with any of them, at this point.

I did toss out a bunch of names. But I'm not saying any of them are bad by any means. After the Day Ended, I went back and read everything again and ranked everybody in terms of suspicion. While some were more suspicious than others, nobody jumped out as definitely evil so I'm not ready to jump on any of them and I hope nobody else does either.

[GallopingGhost]

It's always good to see what an accused person has to say. Discussion early in mafia games is our friend. Quick lynches are not. Everyone has their own suspicions and that's fine, they are no reason to jump to a rapid fire lynch.

Aha, well said my friend. I'm back on the believe in Rob S wagon.

[GallopingGhost]

I did toss out a bunch of names. But I'm not saying any of them are bad by any means. After the Day Ended, I went back and read everything again and ranked everybody in terms of suspicion. While some were more suspicious than others, nobody jumped out as definitely evil so I'm not ready to jump on any of them and I hope nobody else does either.

It was good work by you... doing what you did is especially effective early on in games and will help us out very much throughout the first couple of days. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[SuperPacker]

Just looked at vid's posts and on the first day his cable broke or something like that meaning he couldn't post. Screams ******** to me.

And then he defends the only person who has been investigated as evil, and doesnt believe someone who says they're a seer.

These put together really make me think vidae is evil. And he's trying to protect Shane.

[vidae]

Just looked at vid's posts and on the first day his cable broke or something like that meaning he couldn't post. Screams ******** to me.

And then he defends the only person who has been investigated as evil, and doesnt believe someone who says they're a seer.

These put together really make me think vidae is evil. And he's trying to protect Shane.

Er, go back and read the post. I said I was continuing to post from my phone, which I did. Why would that be ********? Do you ever make sense?

And now I'm DEFENDING Shane? All I said was I didn't believe BB, but now I'm actually defending someone?

Come on.

[GallopingGhost]

Just looked at vid's posts and on the first day his cable broke or something like that meaning he couldn't post. Screams ******** to me.

And then he defends the only person who has been investigated as evil, and doesnt believe someone who says they're a seer.

These put together really make me think vidae is evil. And he's trying to protect Shane.

Nawh, i doubt any evil person is that stupid to make it that obvious this early on in the game, especially vidae who is a good player in this game.

[Rob S]

I'm okay with vidae right now.....he has been pretty active and it is easy for someone to appear suspicious solely due to early activity. Since nobody really knows anything the first couple days, you take some risks by being active.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

1. While I don't like the way BB handled his investigation result/role reveal, I'm leaning towards believing him. I'll wait for Shane to speak though, since we know he's active and won't make us wait forever.

2. SuperPacker anyone? Comes in, ANOTHER miller claim, and he's calling ******** because vidae notified us why he might not be around? And because he's actually in favor of letting the accused speak before we lynch them?

[GallopingGhost]

1. While I don't like the way BB handled his investigation result/role reveal, I'm leaning towards believing him. I'll wait for Shane to speak though, since we know he's active and won't make us wait forever.

2. SuperPacker anyone? Comes in, ANOTHER miller claim, and he's calling ******** because vidae notified us why he might not be around? And because he's actually in favor of letting the accused speak before we lynch them?

SuperPacker probably isn't evil.... let's be real.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

SuperPacker probably isn't evil.... let's be real.



Based on the odds, everyone "probably isn't evil". I may be jumping the gun in my frustrations with SP's idiotic play though.

[D-Unit]

I gotta role with BB's seer investigation. If he's right, then he'd probably get night protection and we can believe him going forward.

If he's wrong, then he's either a false seer or lying which makes a Day 2 lynch an easy choice.

I'll be voting Shane when Rob gives the green light.

[Bulldogs]

I got to head out to my workout. Make sure Shane doesn't weasel his way out of this, but at the same time if he has a believable story we need to discuss it. Be back at 7.

[Raiderz4Life]

Meh...SP is an enigma but I like to lynch him either way cuz its usually 50-50 with him lol

[SuperPacker]

Er, go back and read the post. I said I was continuing to post from my phone, which I did. Why would that be ********? Do you ever make sense?

And now I'm DEFENDING Shane? All I said was I didn't believe BB, but now I'm actually defending someone?

Come on.

Have you read the post? You say "my cable is out"...Thats what i just said....And it could be ********. People make up excuses as to why they can't post all the time, so they have a excuse to lie low. That happens. Ask Rob.

And you're saying you don't believe BB, which means you think he is lying, which means you think Shane is good.

Do you ever make sense?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Vote: Shane

I voted for him day 1!

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (2): BeerBaron, Gonzo

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

[Grizzlegom]

I can believe BeerBaron because I was the seer in the first go-around so I know there's one in this game and I don't think he'd randomly call himself a seer as opposed to a cop or investigator or something. I'll hold my vote to hear JBond's defense though.

[Rob S]

I can believe BeerBaron because I was the seer in the first go-around so I know there's one in this game and I don't think he'd randomly call himself a seer as opposed to a cop or investigator or something. I'll hold my vote to hear JBond's defense though.

Good input, Grizz. Thanks.

[SuperPacker]

Based on the odds, everyone "probably isn't evil". I may be jumping the gun in my frustrations with SP's idiotic play though.

Idiotic play? For what?

I'm a Miller. I trust BB. I don't trust vid.

Why is this stupid play? Am i not allowed to have an opinion. I guess not.

Sorry guys, we should just do whatever Rob tells us to do, even though he could be evil.

[jrdrylie]

Idiotic play? For what?

I'm a Miller. I trust BB. I don't trust vid.

Why is this stupid play? Am i not allowed to have an opinion. I guess not.

Sorry guys, we should just do whatever Rob tells us to do, even though he could be evil.

Yeah, I'm not going to be following Rob in anything. Yes, he is the Mob Leader. But no extra powers come from that. He doesn't get to tell us what to do, he just gets an extra vote.

[D-Unit]

Have you read the post? You say "my cable is out"...Thats what i just said....And it could be ********. People make up excuses as to why they can't post all the time, so they have a excuse to lie low. That happens. Ask Rob.

And you're saying you don't believe BB, which means you think he is lying, which means you think Shane is good.

Do you ever make sense?
SP you should ease up a bit. You may have suspicions, but you're doing the same thing that keeps getting you killed in every mafia game. Wildly, throwing out premature accussations. ...accussations based off VERY WEAK clues. Vidae doesn't come off evil. We already have BB's claim to go off of. No need to distract the attention elsewhere. That in itself can make you suspicious, if you think about it.

[Rob S]

I think everyone needs to ease up a bit. This is getting testy for no reason. Everyone is too quick to attack SP and SP is too quick to get defensive. It has been a common theme in mafia games here.

[GallopingGhost]

Meh...SP is an enigma but I like to lynch him either way cuz its usually 50-50 with him lol

lol ... eh? Really funny dude.... keep up the good jokes.

[SuperPacker]

SP you should ease up a bit. You may have suspicions, but you're doing the same thing that keeps getting you killed in every mafia game. Wildly, throwing out premature accussations. ...accussations based off VERY WEAK clues. Vidae doesn't come off evil. We already have BB's claim to go off of. No need to distract the attention elsewhere. That in itself can make you suspicious, if you think about it.

I have never been lynched because of that. Never. I'm just giving my opinion, obviously i could be wrong, we all could be wrong.

[vidae]

Have you read the post? You say "my cable is out"...Thats what i just said....And it could be ********. People make up excuses as to why they can't post all the time, so they have a excuse to lie low. That happens. Ask Rob.

And you're saying you don't believe BB, which means you think he is lying, which means you think Shane is good.

Do you ever make sense?

I didn't make excuses as to why I couldn't post. I said I would be posting from my phone, which I then DID. I CONTINUED TO POST. Imagine that.

People have roleclaimed Seer / Cop in every god damn mafia game we've ever had on this site. I'm just supposed to automatically believe them? Maybe that's why I'm usually in these games for a good while and you're not.

And lastly, I never said I believed Shane was good. Not once in any post in this entire thread. Shane could be evil, I'm willing to admit that, but again: I don't believe BB is being truthful.

Learn to read.

[GallopingGhost]

I think everyone needs to ease up a bit. This is getting testy for no reason. Everyone is too quick to attack SP and SP is too quick to get defensive. It has been a common theme in mafia games here.

Yup, couldn't have said it any better. Next thing you know he's going to get voted out of spite and we are going to waste a lynch. SP getting too defensive is nothing new, let him share his opinion, if yall think it's too out of the ordinary... COOL.. share so, but don't get your feelings hurt everyone.

[Raiderz4Life]

lol ... eh? Really funny dude.... keep up the good jokes.

Eh...bite me

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (2): BeerBaron, Gonzo

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

[GallopingGhost]

Eh...bite me

http://julianlytle.com/images/U%20Mad%20folder/OJ%20U%20mad.jpg

[Raiderz4Life]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (2): BeerBaron, Gonzo

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

you forgetting my jbond vote ibc.

[GallopingGhost]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (2): BeerBaron, Gonzo

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

Vote: Shane

Easy enough....

You missed mine buddy.

[jrdrylie]

So while we wait for Shane to give his alibi, anybody else any suspicions, information, or entertaining stories they care to share?

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (4): BeerBaron, Gonzo, GG, R4L

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

Didn't see R4Ls and I thought GG unvoted.

[bantx]

Like BB said he Jbond came up evil and he didn't claim miller yesterday. The most info we can get is lynching Jbond. If BB is right we can trust him and if he's wrong he's next to go.

I have reason to believe that Vidae's story about his internet has me curious. If you can figure out why I'm suspicious please explain it to me. Because I do not believe that story one bit from what I can tell.

[bantx]

*Reason to believe that his story isn't completely true*

[SuperPacker]

I didn't make excuses as to why I couldn't post. I said I would be posting from my phone, which I then DID. I CONTINUED TO POST. Imagine that.

People have roleclaimed Seer / Cop in every god damn mafia game we've ever had on this site. I'm just supposed to automatically believe them? Maybe that's why I'm usually in these games for a good while and you're not.

And lastly, I never said I believed Shane was good. Not once in any post in this entire thread. Shane could be evil, I'm willing to admit that, but again: I don't believe BB is being truthful.

Learn to read.

If you don't think BB is telling the truth why do you think he is trying to get Shane lynched? I doubt BB is mafia and is trying to get a fellow mafia lynched...

Either, BB is a Seer and he investigated Shane last night, with the results coming back evil. Or, BB is mafia, claiming to be a Seer and trying to get Shane lynched.

Which other way could it be?

[SuperMcGee]

Eh...bite me

I get it!

The focus on millers and him trying to act like an actual leader make it tough to gauge, but I've got my eye on Rob. I want less diplomacy and more suspicion!

[vidae]

I'm seriously about to lose my mind. My cable goes down so I post that I'm going to try to keep up and post from my phone, and that is suspicious? REALLY?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Idiotic play? For what?

I'm a Miller. I trust BB. I don't trust vid.

Why is this stupid play? Am i not allowed to have an opinion. I guess not.

Sorry guys, we should just do whatever Rob tells us to do, even though he could be evil.

Even if you are a miller, it's a nonsensical claim to make at this point.

You don't have to trust vidae, but your reasoning on "calling him out" is quite poor. If anything, it looks like you were the one trying to divert us from JBond, not vidae.

[bantx]

Tell me how you're on IRC unless you can get on your phone then you can't tell me how I'm not suppose to be suspicious :\

[jrdrylie]

Like BB said he Jbond came up evil and he didn't claim miller yesterday. The most info we can get is lynching Jbond. If BB is right we can trust him and if he's wrong he's next to go.

I have reason to believe that Vidae's story about his internet has me curious. If you can figure out why I'm suspicious please explain it to me. Because I do not believe that story one bit from what I can tell.

I have no reason to not believe Vidae's story about his Internet being down.

[vidae]

Tell me how you're on IRC unless you can get on your phone then you can't tell me how I'm not suppose to be suspicious :\

That was last night, not right now..

And even then, you can log on IRC from a phone quite easily.. DG does it all the time.

:facepalm:

[Rob S]

I get it!

The focus on millers and him trying to act like an actual leader make it tough to gauge, but I've got my eye on Rob. I want less diplomacy and more suspicion!

Meh, I think focusing on millers was worthwhile....at least day 1. It was something to go on anyway. Feel free to keep your eye on me, I'm good and just trying to lead this town to victory.

[SuperPacker]

Even if you are a miller, it's a nonsensical claim to make at this point.

You don't have to trust vidae, but your reasoning on "calling him out" is quite poor. If anything, it looks like you were the one trying to divert us from JBond, not vidae.

You want me to lie and say i'm something else? I think that would be the idiotic play...

I don't even have to good reasoning as to why i think vid is evil. I'm going with my gut and it's telling me he's evil. Like i said, i could be wrong, course i could be wrong.

[SuperPacker]

That was last night, not right now..

And even then, you can log on IRC from a phone quite easily.. DG does it all the time.

:facepalm:

This is true, i can log on from my phone.

[Raiderz4Life]

You want me to lie and say i'm something else? I think that would be the idiotic play...

I don't even have to good reasoning as to why i think vid is evil. I'm going with my gut and it's telling me he's evil. Like i said, i could be wrong, course i could be wrong.

That works quite well when done right.

[Rob S]

I dont get suspecting vidae due to his cable going out and him continuing to post via his phone. I really dont.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'm not sure if the the people bringing up vidae are mafia (potentially along with Shane?) or are just reaching extraordinarily hard. I mean, vidae gave us a reason why he could potentially be absent. Yet he's been one of the most active people in this game. I could understand some suspicion if you didn't buy his story and he was only poking in to add late lynch votes, but damn.

[SuperPacker]

That works quite well when done right.

I didn't like the last attempt at it...

[ATLDirtyBirds]

You want me to lie and say i'm something else? I think that would be the idiotic play...



You do know you don't have to role claim, right? Throwing another "I'm a miller!" into the stack is incredibly useless and can't even be taken seriously at this point.

[vidae]

I'm not sure if the the people bringing up vidae are mafia (potentially along with Shane?) or are just reaching extraordinarily hard. I mean, vidae gave us a reason why he could potentially be absent. Yet he's been one of the most active people in this game. I could understand some suspicion if you didn't buy his story and he was only poking in to add late lynch votes, but damn.

Thank you for thinking logically. I posted that from my phone so that I wouldn't be suspicious by being inactive, and now I'm suspicious for being courteous. Damn you all to hell! (except ATL and Rob!)

[bantx]

So town leader what will we do. Give us a game plan!

[D-Unit]

Actually, I don't think there is a defense Shane can come up with that would change my mind. I really want to find out just how valid BB is.

vote: Shane

[Rob S]

So town leader what will we do. Give us a game plan!

Honestly, I think a lynch of Shane is going to happen and probably rightfully so. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't give him at least a couple of hours here to speak.

[D-Unit]

Thank you for thinking logically. I posted that from my phone so that I wouldn't be suspicious by being inactive, and now I'm suspicious for being courteous. Damn you all to hell! (except ATL and Rob!)
I chastised SP for going at you too. Just wanted to point that out. :wave:

[Raiderz4Life]

Thank you for thinking logically. I posted that from my phone so that I wouldn't be suspicious by being inactive, and now I'm suspicious for being courteous. Damn you all to hell! (except ATL and Rob!)

I believed you V-diddy. Even elected you lol

[vidae]

I chastised SP for going at you too. Just wanted to point that out. :wave:

I believed you V-diddy. Even elected you lol

You both get thanks too! *e-hugs*

[bantx]

Thank you for thinking logically. I posted that from my phone so that I wouldn't be suspicious by being inactive, and now I'm suspicious for being courteous. Damn you all to hell! (except ATL and Rob!)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m41djk64Uq1r8v3ad.gif

[D-Unit]

Honestly, I think a lynch of Shane is going to happen and probably rightfully so. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't give him at least a couple of hours here to speak.
What's he gonna say to change your mind?

[jrdrylie]

The only thing that Vidae did that was suspicious to me was that when we were discussing lynching one of the people who were claiming to be Millers, he said we shouldn't focus on what happened in the previous game. Then, when it became obvious that Cigaro would be lynched, he jumped on the bandwagon.

I suppose he could have known that one of the supposed Millers was lying and at first he was trying to stop anyone from jumping on one of the Millers (33% chance of hitting an evil guy at the time). Then, he could change his tune when he knew that his mafia compatriot was clear.

Not saying any of this is actually true and I have no facts to back it up. But I'm just saying if you are going to accuse someone, have legitimate reasons instead of just being skeptical of someone's Internet going down (which has happened to all of us 100s of times).

[D-Unit]

You both get thanks too! *e-hugs*
Hey, I felt that! Did you just grab my butt?

[Rob S]

What's he gonna say to change your mind?

Probably nothing. If there was something, however, Why would I make that information public before he has posted?

[vidae]

Lynching Shane would give us a lil bit of information (whether or not we can trust BB is the big thing) but I'd at least prefer to let the accused attempt to defend himself. He might stick his foot in his mouth or he might make a little sense.

Either way he's probably going to die, but I'm very anti-lynching someone before they can speak.

[SuperPacker]

You do know you don't have to role claim, right? Throwing another "I'm a miller!" into the stack is incredibly useless and can't even be taken seriously at this point.

But if I get investigated and then come out and say "i'm a Miller", do you really think people will believe me?

Anyway, i'm off to bed.

Vote: Shane

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (6): BeerBaron, Gonzo, GG, R4L, D-Unit, SuperPacker

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

[ATLDirtyBirds]

What's he gonna say to change your mind?

Don't answer that. No need to give Shane something to potentially use. If this were someone who was going to massively slow the game down, I'd vote Shane. However, I'm sure we'll get a response somewhat soon, and then the decision should be pretty easy.

[GallopingGhost]

Yah, i'm off to football, but i am more than confident in my current vote for Jbond. Will report back in 3 hours.

[BeerBaron]

So, here is how I'm feeling as we wait for Shane to speak.

He's a Miller - 35% chance - There are a **** ton of millers being claimed and it's a definite possibility. Would cause the "evil" result I got.

He's Evil - 60% chance - He didn't claim miller yesterday, which is part of the reason why I checked him out.

False Result - 5% chance - I could be incompetent or he could have been framed. Unlikely but not impossible.

I feel fairly strongly that we're either going to kill a bad guy in Shane, or another miller, which isn't the worst thing in the world.

[D-Unit]

Probably nothing. If there was something, however, Why would I make that information public before he has posted?
OK, suit yourself. I'm headed out to lunch, so I won't be around for an hour.


*I'll be watching out to see if SP thinks that's suspicious*. :njx:

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Probably nothing. If there was something, however, Why would I make that information public before he has posted?

Lynching Shane would give us a lil bit of information (whether or not we can trust BB is the big thing) but I'd at least prefer to let the accused attempt to defend himself. He might stick his foot in his mouth or he might make a little sense.

Either way he's probably going to die, but I'm very anti-lynching someone before they can speak.

Don't answer that. No need to give Shane something to potentially use. If this were someone who was going to massively slow the game down, I'd vote Shane. However, I'm sure we'll get a response somewhat soon, and then the decision should be pretty easy.


I think it's time for a group hug.

[GallopingGhost]

So, here is how I'm feeling as we wait for Shane to speak.

He's a Miller - 35% chance - There are a **** ton of millers being claimed and it's a definite possibility. Would cause the "evil" result I got.

He's Evil - 60% chance - He didn't claim miller yesterday, which is part of the reason why I checked him out.

False Result - 5% chance - I could be incompetent or he could have been framed. Unlikely but not impossible.

I feel fairly strongly that we're either going to kill a bad guy in Shane, or another miller, which isn't the worst thing in the world.


I think it's more 10/80/10....
I think BB lying this early in the game would be one stupid move unless there is a role i don't know about.

[bantx]

But one thing is if we do lynch Jbond and he comes up as a Miller. BB could be a baddie playing the seer as an attempt to lynch a Miller and be like oh he came out bad easy mistake since he didn't claim his role from the start. Which would cause a big headache with a lot of pages to be read the next day. But this is the only thing we can go off of as of right now.

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (6): BeerBaron, Gonzo, GG, R4L, D-Unit, SuperPacker

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

[BeerBaron]

But one thing is if we do lynch Jbond and he comes up as a Miller. BB could be a baddie playing the seer as an attempt to lynch a Miller and be like oh he came out bad easy mistake since he didn't claim his role from the start. Which would cause a big headache with a lot of pages to be read the next day. But this is the only thing we can go off of as of right now.

That would be annoying, but the mafia wouldn't know who is a miller or not, so it would be very risky. I know for a fact that non-miller roles exist in this game.

[SuperPacker]

vidae, i'm sorry for jumping on you like that, mob mentality or whatever...i dunno...

http://akamai.paramountcomedy.com/cc/videos/friends/friends_709_mob_mentality.jpg

(sorry, i had to get that in somewhere)

[Rob S]

If mafia has a rolecop, identifying unannounced millers and then having someone claim seer could be an interesting strategy. Very farfetched, but just thinking out loud.

[vidae]

The only thing that Vidae did that was suspicious to me was that when we were discussing lynching one of the people who were claiming to be Millers, he said we shouldn't focus on what happened in the previous game. Then, when it became obvious that Cigaro would be lynched, he jumped on the bandwagon.

I was merely pointing out that since roles were swapped, trying to count out how many people claiming to be Millers in the previous game was next to worthless. If you read some of my other posts in this thread you'll see that I did actually say lynching someone who was a Miller wouldn't be the worst choice in the world, and when I saw people had picked one I joined in.

It wasn't a bandwagon lynch at all as I agreed with the reasoning. Here is the proof:

Having the entire mafia claim to be millers isn't a bad idea at all actually. I'd be on board killing one of these "millers" to get a sense of what is what.

If this is what we've decided I'll back it.

vote : Cigaro

[bantx]

Where the hell is jbond tired of this waiting game.

[Grizzlegom]

There has to be someone that can investigate that's good, it makes no sense for everyone to be millers if nobody can investigate them and learn if they are good/bad...

[Rob S]

I'm willing to give Shane until 9:00 EST. If he hasn't defended himself by then, I will cast my vote.

[Dr. Gonzo]

What do you guys want to hear from JBond? What would convince you? Letting him speak means nothing and anyone who is set on that maybe is just trying to help out a fellow vamp.

[vidae]

What do you guys want to hear from JBond? What would convince you? Letting him speak means nothing and anyone who is set on that maybe is just trying to help out a fellow vamp.

Everything is information. If he posts and it's full of garbage, if he tries hard to defend himself, etc. There is nothing bad that can come out of waiting for him to talk.

Lynching someone quickly generally gives you even less information. I am much more suspicious of people who want to lynch quickly without letting someone defend themselves. The mafia (vamps in this case) would want fast lynches. Why do you want one, Gonzo?

[vidae]

It doesn't look good that he has been around for a good 10-15 minutes and hasn't posted though. See, even THAT is something extra that is suspicious.

[Dr. Gonzo]

The town is full of sheeple who blindly trust shane. I am not saying lynch him now but don't be afraid to vote. Watch this thing grind to a halt as Shane shows up way later and people who hasn't voted are no longer around.

[jrdrylie]

There has to be someone that can investigate that's good, it makes no sense for everyone to be millers if nobody can investigate them and learn if they are good/bad...

There is definitely an investigator on the town side. Otherwise, the miller role is worthless. Is BB one of those investigator? Not sure yet.

[Rob S]

How do you know Shane has been around, Vidae?

[Dr. Gonzo]

You guys are all so cautious.

[bantx]

i can confirm hes been on for about 20 minutes

[ATLDirtyBirds]

If he doesn't speak in the next 10 minutes, I'm casting my vote.

[vidae]

How do you know Shane has been around, Vidae?

He logged on IRC about 20 minutes ago. I assume he'd check this thread since he almost always participates 100%.. and nothing so far. That is very suspicious to me.

[Rob S]

Alright, well, I'll give him till 7:00 EST then.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Is that enough for you people? He will claim townie or try and draw out and investigator, don't let him draw anybody out.

[SuperMcGee]

I promise I will not let him draw me out.

Way to call everyone sheep before anything even happens.

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

JBond (6): BeerBaron, Gonzo, GG, R4L, D-Unit, SuperPacker

With 19 alive 10 are needed for majority

[Shane P. Hallam]

Nah, kill me.

[vidae]

Nah, kill me.

Er, alright then.

vote : Shane

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Fair enough.


vote: jbond

[Dr. Gonzo]

Nah, kill me.

Don't go all hunter on me buddy.

[Rob S]

Your wish is my command although you could be a hunter.

vote: Jbond

[SuperMcGee]

chea.

vote: Shane

[bantx]

fine waited for that..

Vote: Jbond

[jrdrylie]

Nah, kill me.

That he doesn't offer a defense. But...

Lunch Shane P. Hallam

Also, CJ said yesterday that he would follow Shane. This needs to be looked into.

[Raiderz4Life]

Think we're pretty over the requirement now.

[ImBrotherCain]

JBond (Nosferatu, Tailor) was lynched

Please send your night actions ASAP!

[ImBrotherCain]

Renji (Miller) was killed

With 17 alive 9 are needed for majority

[Grizzlegom]

Another Miller!!! BB you get anything last night?

[Rob S]

Well, a miller isn't the worst to die I suppose.

[D-Unit]

Good call BB!

[Bulldogs]

Not the worst loss but his insight wasn't too bad. Don't know why the mafia would kill Renji but that's their decision I suppose.

[BeerBaron]

I was apparently roleblocked. I didn't get a PM, so I asked about it, and was told that I was not supposed to get a PM.

I tried to investigate Rob. I wanted to know if we could trust our town leader...suspicious that I got nothing.

[Rob S]

Not the worst loss but his insight wasn't too bad. Don't know why the mafia would kill Renji but that's their decision I suppose.

Yeah. Strikes me as a really strange choice, but I guess he has the rep of being a good player.

[Rob S]

I was apparently roleblocked. I didn't get a PM, so I asked about it, and was told that I was not supposed to get a PM.

I tried to investigate Rob. I wanted to know if we could trust our town leader...suspicious that I got nothing.

I don't know what happened, but I assure you that I am good.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Vidae visited Renji.

vote: Vidae

[Rob S]

Wait, I have to save Vidae here.......didnt want to blow my cover so soon, but Vidae is ******* Van Helsing. Dont kill him.

[Bulldogs]

Well, unless Gonzo is lying this pretty much seals Vidae's fate. Also interesting Rob's investigation didn't go through, it could have been a number of things though.

[Grizzlegom]

Wait, I have to save Vidae here.......didnt want to blow my cover so soon, but Vidae is ******* Van Helsing. Dont kill him.

Van Helsing would be a vigilante but how would you know his character? That seems odd...

[BeerBaron]

Vidae visited Renji.


Well that's interesting. It doesn't look like I'm going to be able to help with my power, so that seems like the best thing to go with today.

Protector is clearly out. Other good guy reasons to visit a dead proclaimed miller are hard to think up.

Vote: vidae

Plus, he defended Shane. Then took careful steps to say that he was not "defending" Shane.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think Rob may be evil. S why dido Viddy killed Renji?

[Rob S]

Now that it is out of the way.....I'll explain in more detail. On night one, Vidae recruited me into his vampire hunter group. We can talk at all times and we have the chance to recruit new members and kill on alternating nights. We obviously ****** up by killing renji, but the good news is that the vampires were blocked from a kill yet again.

[Bulldogs]

So either Vidae is a vigilante or him and Rob are in cahoots.

[BeerBaron]

My investigation of Rob being blocked plus vidae apparently making the kill is really, really, really, really, really suspicious.

A town aligned group who can't be investigated but can kill is shady as ****.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Why are you killing people who claim to be millers at night? They are good day lynch targets.

[Rob S]

Dude, vidae is good and has a sick power. I am also good and can talk with him at all times. I'm telling the absolute truth here. Also, the vamps havent made a single kill yet, so whoever our Roleblocker or protector is is killing it.

[Bulldogs]

Does that mean this group can't be investigated although good?

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

Vidae (2): Gonzo, BeerBaron

With 17 alive 9 are needed for majority

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Now that it is out of the way.....I'll explain in more detail. On night one, Vidae recruited me into his vampire hunter group. We can talk at all times and we have the chance to recruit new members and kill on alternating nights. We obviously ****** up by killing renji, but the good news is that the vampires were blocked from a kill yet again.



So this "hunter" group can kill, recruit, AND block?

[Dr. Gonzo]

I tracked jrdrylie night one and got no result so he may be evil.

[Dr. Gonzo]

This may sound weird but I wouldn't mind lynching Rob.

[Grizzlegom]

Does that mean this group can't be investigated although good?

This is something I was wondering but at the same time, I feel like its probably more likely that BB was roleblocked or that Rob has investigation immunity as part of his appointed role.

[Rob S]

My investigation of Rob being blocked plus vidae apparently making the kill is really, really, really, really, really suspicious.

A town aligned group who can't be investigated but can kill is shady as ****.

I honestly dont know why it was blocked. I can't help you there. As for why we picked renji.....well, we thought he would be evil. Sorry, we ****** up.

Honestly, let vidae live and protect him one more night and we will recruit BB and you will all see.

[jrdrylie]

I tracked jrdrylie night one and got no result so he may be evil.

You got no result because I didn't do anything night one.

[Rob S]

Seriously guys, we are doing really well right now. No vampire kills. Killing vidae or I will absolutely **** it all up. If it sounds like I am panicking, it's because I am......this lynch is big, guys.

[Dr. Gonzo]

You got no result because I didn't do anything night one.

I figure if you did nothing I would have got a pm saying that. I got no pm.

[BeerBaron]

I tracked jrdrylie night one and got no result so he may be evil.

You could also get a no result if he didn't visit anyone. That's more likely than jumping to the evil conclusion. Doesn't mean he couldn't be evil, but logically, that result alone doesn't lend much credence to it.

I honestly dont know why it was blocked. I can't help you there. As for why we picked renji.....well, we thought he would be evil. Sorry, we ****** up.

Honestly, let vidae live and protect him one more night and we will recruit BB and you will all see.

If I don't get this invite tonight or I die, your asses are grass. Also, henceforth, the town should discuss who to kill.

[Dr. Gonzo]

unvote: vidae

lynch: rob

[Grizzlegom]

I figure if you did nothing I would have got a pm saying that. I got no pm.

Could have also been roleblocked, which would explain why BB got no PM back as well

[Rob S]

You could also get a no result if he didn't visit anyone. That's more likely than jumping to the evil conclusion. Doesn't mean he couldn't be evil, but logically, that result alone doesn't lend much credence to it.



If I don't get this invite tonight or I die, your asses are grass. Also, henceforth, the town should discuss who to kill.

The only thing with the invite is a potential roleblocker now knows his role.....thats the only problem I can see. We will absolutely send you the invite though and we were planning on doing so.

[BeerBaron]

Wait a minute...wait.

Wouldn't vampires actually BE the group who can kill and potentially recruit? And if you "recruit" me, my win condition changes to match yours, so of course I'll backup the story.

Bull **** x1000.

My vote for vidae stands.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Could have also been roleblocked, which would explain why BB got no PM back as well

Maybe but I doubt it. Just wanted the info out there in case I die.

[Rob S]

Wait a minute...wait.

Wouldn't vampires actually BE the group who can kill and potentially recruit? And if you "recruit" me, my win condition changes to match yours, so of course I'll backup the story.

Bull **** x1000.

My vote for vidae stands.

Dude, it's a new twist put in by IBC. Don't over think this.

[Bulldogs]

Wait a minute...wait.

Wouldn't vampires actually BE the group who can kill and potentially recruit? And if you "recruit" me, my win condition changes to match yours, so of course I'll backup the story.

Bull **** x1000.

My vote for vidae stands.

Please do not put mafia set up in.

[BeerBaron]

elect : Rob

It's only fair. I didn't trust him last time but it wasn't his fault we had to restart.

And this. His "trust" comes about after the reshuffle? He wanted it last time and just gives it over (to a potential vampire ally) without a fight?

SHENANIGANS!!

Someone pick one of Rob or vidae and start voting! We'll pull this thread and see where it leads!

[Rob S]

I know it sounds fishy guys, seriously though, lynching vid or I would be a massive mistake. Idk what more I can do. If it helps I can role reveal myself as a doppelganger.....I could copy a role starting on night 2 for use night 3. Last night I copied Beer Baron and I will be able to act as a seer tonight.

I'm totally ******* throwing myself under the bus here, but you guys are forcing my hand. Seriously, Vid and I are both good and both have great powers. Don't lynch us.

[Bulldogs]

My bad IBC. But yeah I'm with Gonzo and BeerBaron. I'm calling bs based on past game experience.

Vote: Rob

[jrdrylie]

Seriously guys, we are doing really well right now. No vampire kills. Killing vidae or I will absolutely **** it all up. If it sounds like I am panicking, it's because I am......this lynch is big, guys.

You are right, there haven't been any Vampire kills (I doubt the Mafia would waste a kill on Renji but I suppose it's possible) The Vidae-Rob thing does sound kind or iffy, but I'm willing to believe it as long as we are keeping the bloodsuckers at bay.

As for suspicions, on the first day, CJ mentioned that he was going to follow whatever Shane did. Was this hinting that they are in cahoots? Or was this just a case of him unknowingly hitching his wagon to the wrong guy? I'm willing to vote him to get him talking.

Lynch CJ

[ATLDirtyBirds]

So this "hunter" group can kill, recruit, AND block?

Still haven't gotten this answered. Seems way too ridiculously overpowered to be true.


vote: rob

[Rob S]

It was between CJ and Renji for our kill fwiw.....

[Rob S]

Still haven't gotten this answered. Seems way too ridiculously overpowered to be true.


vote: rob

No, we can just kill and recruit.....when did I mention blocking? In addition to the killing and recruiting we do de facto get my powers as a doppelganger though. Hence why I can totally clear BB and will have investagatory powers night 3.

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

Vidae (2): BeerBaron, Grizz
Rob (3): Gonzo, Bulldogs, ATL
CJ (1): jrdrylie

With 17 alive 9 are needed for majority

[Grizzlegom]

I'm inclined to not believe this story honestly and it appears vidae is the one that can "recruit" so I think taking him out is the wisest choice.

Vote: vidae

[Dr. Gonzo]

It was between CJ and Renji for our kill fwiw.....

Why did you have to kill? Why the **** would you kill someone who was not for sure evil?

[Dr. Gonzo]

The reason I voted rob is because clearly he is not a good town leader. This will also tell us if we can trust viddy who has the better role apparently.

[Bulldogs]

I'm sorry but I've never seen a good group that could recruit, kill, and investigate. That is a mafia group if I've ever seen one. I don't care who it is between Vidae and Rob but this is a complete lie.

[Rob S]

Why did you have to kill? Why the **** would you kill someone who was not for sure evil?

We are required to kill every other night. Sorry if that doesnt make sense, but thats what we were told.

[D-Unit]

I am starting to see that the tension is mounting.

[Rob S]

I'm sorry but I've never seen a good group that could recruit, kill, and investigate. That is a mafia group if I've ever seen one. I don't care who it is between Vidae and Rob but this is a complete lie.

Well, we can only investigate due to my doppelganger role.....if he had recruited a townie that wouldnt be the case.

At least slow this down a bit guys and wait for vidae.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

No, we can just kill and recruit.....when did I mention blocking? In addition to the killing and recruiting we do de facto get my powers as a doppelganger though. Hence why I can totally clear BB and will have investagatory powers night 3.

"We obviously ****** up by killing renji, but the good news is that the vampires were blocked from a kill yet again."


I took this as you guys taking credit for a block, no?


Either way, this seems way to overpowered to be true.

[Rob S]

"We obviously ****** up by killing renji, but the good news is that the vampires were blocked from a kill yet again."


I took this as you guys taking credit for a block, no?


Either way, this seems way to overpowered to be true.

No, I further go on to congratulate whoever our roleblocker or protector is....

[BeerBaron]

Any one of the pieces of evidence on its own may not be enough, but...ALL of:

Me not getting a result on Rob - Could be chalked up to the mafia roleblocking me in case I investigated one of them. Or we have a functionally ******** jailer.

vidae visiting renji who dies - Could be a vigilante, or visiting renji for some other harmless reason.

vidae just accepting Rob as the town leader - maybe he just said **** it after the reshuffle. But he wanted it in the failed game then suddenly doesn't fight at all.

But, in a game where the enemy are creatures traditionally capable of "recruiting" and killing....all of that in one night.

No sell.

And like Grizz, I think vidae is more dangerous since he is apparently the recruiter in this scenario. His death will certainly tell us something about Rob.

[jrdrylie]

Why did you have to kill? Why the **** would you kill someone who was not for sure evil?

This actually makes a lot of sense. The fact that the Vampires haven't killed anybody in the first two days is suspicious. The mafia killing a miller seems like a waste. But maybe the mafia wanted to do that so this vigilante-Rob-Vidae-alliance business is more believable.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The reason I voted rob is because clearly he is not a good town leader. This will also tell us if we can trust viddy who has the better role apparently.


I think it's more likely Rob would be the Godfather and Vidae the goon he sent based on the vehement defense.

[Rob S]

Any one of the pieces of evidence on its own may not be enough, but...ALL of:

Me not getting a result on Rob - Could be chalked up to the mafia roleblocking me in case I investigated one of them. Or we have a functionally ******** jailer.

vidae visiting renji who dies - Could be a vigilante, or visiting renji for some other harmless reason.

vidae just accepting Rob as the town leader - maybe he just said **** it after the reshuffle. But he wanted it in the failed game then suddenly doesn't fight at all.

But, in a game where the enemy are creatures traditionally capable of "recruiting" and killing....all of that in one night.

No sell.

And like Grizz, I think vidae is more dangerous since he is apparently the recruiter in this scenario. His death will certainly tell us something about Rob.

Now this will probably get vidae killed, ugh I'm in a tough spot, but:

If you are going to kill someone then kill me. You will see I am a doppelganger. Protect the **** out of vidae tonight and let him recruit someone because keeping the vampire hunter group alive is huge.

And now vidae dies.....

[BeerBaron]

I think it's more likely Rob would be the Godfather and Vidae the goon he sent based on the vehement defense.

Could be, but I'm not sure. I could make a better case but IBC doesn't want us talking about roles from the last game.

[Bulldogs]

If we're going by Rob's claims the mafia was blocked both the first days? That just seems highly unlikely imo. BeerBaron just posted a nice list I think makes sense. Too much stuff doesn't add up.

[Bulldogs]

Could be, but I'm not sure. I could make a better case but IBC doesn't want us talking about roles from the last game.

Same, I had a very good argument on the bottom of the last page but it mentioned the last game, so I understand why it was deleted.

[Rob S]

This actually makes a lot of sense. The fact that the Vampires haven't killed anybody in the first two days is suspicious. The mafia killing a miller seems like a waste. But maybe the mafia wanted to do that so this vigilante-Rob-Vidae-alliance business is more believable.

Coming out with a complex alliance plan involving 2 mafia would be so stupid. Seriously guys, just think. 1 mafia is already dead, based on usual numbers there would only be 3 left. If I was mafia would I really come up with that stupid of a plan and out not just myself, but a fellow mafia member as well?

[D-Unit]

The reason I voted rob is because clearly he is not a good town leader. This will also tell us if we can trust viddy who has the better role apparently.
There could be another way to figure it out though. We should wait for more people to participate in the discussion.

[BeerBaron]

Now this will probably get vidae killed, ugh I'm in a tough spot, but:

If you are going to kill someone then kill me. You will see I am a doppelganger. Protect the **** out of vidae tonight and let him recruit someone because keeping the vampire hunter group alive is huge.

And now vidae dies.....

Well, if that's the case and you're not lying, we can still do things the old fashioned way with intelligent lynching.

[Dr. Gonzo]

**** that. Protect me, I am not running around killing townies.

[Rob S]

Coming out with a complex alliance plan involving 2 mafia would be so stupid. Seriously guys, just think. 1 mafia is already dead, based on usual numbers there would only be 3 left. If I was mafia would I really come up with that stupid of a plan and out not just myself, but a fellow mafia member as well?

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[Grizzlegom]

There could be another way to figure it out though. We should wait for more people to participate in the discussion.

What's with the random bolding of words?

[Bulldogs]

Coming out with a complex alliance plan involving 2 mafia would be so stupid. Seriously guys, just think. 1 mafia is already dead, based on usual numbers there would only be 3 left. If I was mafia would I really come up with that stupid of a plan and out not just myself, but a fellow mafia member as well?

It's not like you wanted to come up with it. Gonzo sort of forced your hand in that regard.

[Rob S]

**** that. Protect me, I am not running around killing townies.

vidae is more important than you. sorry.

Vidae is here, he just told me in our ******* chat.

[Rob S]

Seriously, vidae will be here according to our chat! He is invisible to everyone else. Mafia cant talk during day.

[BeerBaron]

What's with the random bolding of words?

D could be hoping to draw out some heretofore unannounced investigators to come out. Rather shady...I was either going to look into him or Rob last night and decided on Rob since hew as the town leader. Wanted to know if he could be trusted or not.

[Bulldogs]

Seriously, vidae will be here according to our chat! He is invisible to everyone else. Mafia cant talk during day.

What? This doesn't make any sense.

[Grizzlegom]

Seriously, vidae will be here according to our chat! He is invisible to everyone else. Mafia cant talk during day.

Its been known to happen before.

[Rob S]

He is currently reading the thread, I told him to post ASAP

[Bulldogs]

Why, hello Vidae.

[Grizzlegom]

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[vidae]

I just got here and I just read through the pages. What Rob said is 100% completely true.

I have the ability to recruit into a Vampire Hunter group and the first night I picked Rob. I picked him because I wasn't sure if he was good or not. I have the ability to kill or recruit to the group on alternating nights. The first night I recruited Rob. Last night I killed Renji.

I didn't believe we'd have four millers, but apparently Cigaro and Renji were actually millers. I thought Renji was evil.

If you kill us you're basically damning the town. That's all I can say. If you want proof I will recruit BB tonight. Keep Rob and I alive and we WILL deliver the vampires to you all.

It is 100% true and you should not read too much into it. Protect me tonight and BB can confirm all of this tomorrow.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

So there's a good allegiance that can kill, recruit, and discuss during the day and night, in addition to the townies/millers/protectors/etc? Extremely likely.

[Dr. Gonzo]

vidae is more important than you. sorry.

Vidae is here, he just told me in our ******* chat.

Yes because what the town needs is an out of control vigilante.

[Bulldogs]

The thing is, if you're evil and recruit BB, of course he would agree. He would then be evil. I also don't like the fact you demand you are protected. Why not BeerBaron who gave us Shane or Gonzo who saw you kill Renji?

[Grizzlegom]

I've heard of a "Cult" but I still think this sounds more mafia than town though...

[BeerBaron]

I worry that they'll turn me into a vampire and I'll have to go along with it because my win condition will change to match theirs.

I bet they recruit one night (night 1 there were no kills,) then kill the next (night 2 = renji.)

They probably thought about killing me but wanted to keep me alive in case I was needed to clear them (the town would trust me after giving them Shane) the following night while roleblocking me last night when I looked into Rob. I bet one of them is a straight roleblocker or a "shield" like I was in the DBZ game.

[Rob S]

The thing is, if you're evil and recruit BB, of course he would agree. He would then be evil. I also don't like the fact you demand you are protected. Why not BeerBaron who gave us Shane or Gonzo who saw you kill Renji?

Dude, the fact is that if we are telling the truth then vidae is the most important person in the town.

[vidae]

I'm not out of control at all, and I'm not a Vigilante. I am the leader of the Vampire Hunters. I can't even kill every night, just every other night. Tonight is the third night so I'm forced to recruit.

It might sound hard to believe but it's 100% true. If Rob and I die you will lose two of the strongest members of the town. If you want a guaranteed loss, go ahead, but it is in your best interest to keep us alive for one more day.

One more day and BB will be one of us. Then you'll know.

[D-Unit]

Any one of the pieces of evidence on its own may not be enough, but...ALL of:

Me not getting a result on Rob - Could be chalked up to the mafia roleblocking me in case I investigated one of them. Or we have a functionally ******** jailer.

vidae visiting renji who dies - Could be a vigilante, or visiting renji for some other harmless reason.

vidae just accepting Rob as the town leader - maybe he just said **** it after the reshuffle. But he wanted it in the failed game then suddenly doesn't fight at all.

But, in a game where the enemy are creatures traditionally capable of "recruiting" and killing....all of that in one night.

No sell.

And like Grizz, I think vidae is more dangerous since he is apparently the recruiter in this scenario. His death will certainly tell us something about Rob.
You got Shane, so it's safe to say you made a good call as Seer. But it makes sense that vidae visited Renji, seeing as he and Rob got together to make the kill. I got to Read the clues, above in your post. But I think you could be faking yourself out and leading a bad lynch effort. Vidae could very well be Van Heilsing, which would mean that he is good.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Seriously? Don't kill us even though this sounds really weird and suspicious. Just let us recruit a pivotal piece from the good side!

[BeerBaron]

PLUS, if they recruit me and I keep my power, I take one of the most powerful town roles with me and away from the town.

[Bulldogs]

I'm not out of control at all, and I'm not a Vigilante. I am the leader of the Vampire Hunters. I can't even kill every night, just every other night. Tonight is the third night so I'm forced to recruit.

It might sound hard to believe but it's 100% true. If Rob and I die you will lose two of the strongest members of the town. If you want a guaranteed loss, go ahead, but it is in your best interest to keep us alive for one more day.

One more day and BB will be one of us. Then you'll know.

I repeat myself. Of course BeerBaron would side with you guys if you recruit him. He would no longer have the same end game objective and would be one of you. Why are you demanding protection over people like Gonzo and BB?

[Rob S]

Guys, there isn't that much more to say.....vidae and i are being 100% honest right now. All I can ask of you is that you kill me instead of him. You will see I am a doppelganger and then protect him to keep the group alive.

Ideally you won't kill either of us, but it appears you are not willing to consider that out story is true.

[Grizzlegom]

wtf D, put it all together and it says I am another Seer, read the clues, vidae is good.

[BeerBaron]

And like I previously said, we don't need no stinkin' vigilante. Having one is nice, but with intelligent lynching and investigations, we can still win.

[Rob S]

I repeat myself. Of course BeerBaron would side with you guys if you recruit him. He would no longer have the same end game objective and would be one of you. Why are you demanding protection over people like Gonzo and BB?

vidae is the most important good member of the town.....maybe that's why. Especially with all these ******* millers.

[BeerBaron]

This situation suuuuuuucks. At least no one is silenced this game.

[vidae]

D-Unit probably investigated me if that's what he's trying to say. I AM good, and so is Rob. We're the strongest members of the town and now we're both targets.

Believe us or not, but don't kill us. There are plenty of other targets out there. We can win this game for the town or you can lose the game by killing us. It's really up to you guys now.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I bet they recruit one night (night 1 there were no kills,) then kill the next (night 2 = renji.)




Which would imply that mafia hasn't done a damn thing yet...

[Rob S]

And like I previously said, we don't need no stinkin' vigilante. Having one is nice, but with intelligent lynching and investigations, we can still win.

It's not the fact that he is a vigilante. It is the group aspect. It is the fact that he can kill a weak vampire if we accidetly recruit one. Its the fact that he can potentially fend off attacks from weaker vampires. vidae has a ******* good power. so do i, but i would sacrifice myself in order to clear him.

[vidae]

And like I previously said, we don't need no stinkin' vigilante. Having one is nice, but with intelligent lynching and investigations, we can still win.

Don't you understand the MASSIVE advantage you have if you can talk ALL DAY AND NIGHT? Rob and I have basically been communicating NONSTOP. If you think all I provide is a kill, you are either naive or you're purposely ignoring probably the most overpowered skill in this entire game: COMMUNICATION.

[BeerBaron]

wtf D, put it all together and it says I am another Seer, read the clues, vidae is good.

Vidae would show up good if he were the vampirism spreading godfather...

[D-Unit]

Which would imply that mafia hasn't done a damn thing yet...
Has anyone seen Caddy yet?

[vidae]

Vidae would show up good if he were the vampirism spreading godfather...

You want to kill me? Rob and I have identical stories, D-Unit just cleared me, and you STILL want to kill me?

I am the most powerful member of the town. Go ahead and kill a Goku if you want. But then it's on you.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Listen stop saying we will lose if we lynch you. So far you have had a negative effect on the town. Maybe we don't lynch you, who should we lynch instead?

[BeerBaron]

And Rob could be trying to get himself killed because it might still show he's a good townie if he's a recruited vampire thrall (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire_Thrall) (which is a thing in fiction) then dies.

[Rob S]

wtf D, put it all together and it says I am another Seer, read the clues, vidae is good.

I just want to make sure everyone sees this.

[Rob S]

Listen stop saying we will lose if we lynch you. So far you have had a negative effect on the town. Maybe we don't lynch you, who should we lynch instead?

I would go with CJ. It was between him and Renji for our kill last night.

[D-Unit]

Guys, there isn't that much more to say.....vidae and i are being 100% honest right now. All I can ask of you is that you kill me instead of him. You will see I am a doppelganger and then protect him to keep the group alive.

Ideally you won't kill either of us, but it appears you are not willing to consider that out story is true.
Yeah, I would call off the lynch on you and Vidae. We need to save it for someone who is evil.

[vidae]

Listen stop saying we will lose if we lynch you. So far you have had a negative effect on the town. Maybe we don't lynch you, who should we lynch instead?

Have I really? Renji was a miller. If we got down to it later in the game we would have lynched someone who came up evil from an investigation, especially because a billion people have claimed miller. What have I done that hurt the town at all? Nothing.

[Grizzlegom]

Now D-Unit is saying Caddy is evil, which means he's either a miller like he claimed, or he's actually evil.

[vidae]

btw, if you put what D just said together again it spells "caddy is evil"..

You don't have to trust Rob and I if you don't want to, but we're ABSOLUTELY telling you the truth. One of us is going to die tonight and then it will be proven. Don't be the ones to damn the town, let the Vampires do it.

[jrdrylie]

You want to kill me? Rob and I have identical stories, D-Unit just cleared me, and you STILL want to kill me?

I am the most powerful member of the town. Go ahead and kill a Goku if you want. But then it's on you.

If you were the head Vampire, you would come up good when D investigates you. D could be a false seer. Or D could be another Mafia member who is just coming out and saying he is a seer to clear you. In no way does D saying you are good make it fact.

[BeerBaron]

D would say these things if he were an original mafia member along with vidae and Shane, who was lynched, and their new recruit thrall Rob.

[Rob S]

Well, I know Vidae is good, so I buy D as a seer right now.......I have no idea how he knows Caddy is evil though, millers come up evil.

[Dr. Gonzo]

No reason to protect you vidae if you can fend off weak attacks. If there is a watcher out there he should start watching you. It also makes sense that you would be the vampire spreading godfather. You took a while to post because you and Rob needed to get your stories straight. Maybe Rob panicked.

[vidae]

Let me ask this:

What does keeping Rob and I alive one more day really matter? If you left us alive another night and we were lying, you'd lose ONE TOWNIE. Don't you think it's worth it to see if we're telling the truth? This is INCREDIBLY POWERFUL, and you'd rather just kill one of us than waiting ONE DAY? REALLY?

[jrdrylie]

]btw, if you put what D just said together again it spells "caddy is evil".. [/B]

You don't have to trust Rob and I if you don't want to, but we're ABSOLUTELY telling you the truth. One of us is going to die tonight and then it will be proven. Don't be the ones to damn the town, let the Vampires do it.

Because Caddy is a miller.

[Bulldogs]

What if Caddy or CJ turns out good. This is absolute garbage. Do we still continue to let them live?

[Bulldogs]

Let me ask this:

What does keeping Rob and I alive one more day really matter? If you left us alive another night and we were lying, you'd lose ONE TOWNIE. Don't you think it's worth it to see if we're telling the truth? This is INCREDIBLY POWERFUL, and you'd rather just kill one of us than waiting ONE DAY? REALLY?

It leaves you the opportunity to recruit the most powerful ally the town has.

[BeerBaron]

My vote stays with vidae. If the town buys their rhetoric and goes with someone else...well...I'll see you all from the darkside starting tomorrow...

(Why do these things always get the most interesting when I either need to be in bed or be working?)

[Grizzlegom]

Did CJ claim miller too? I lost track...I've got bulldogs, SP, and Caddy as the remaining miller claimers

[jrdrylie]

Let me ask this:

What does keeping Rob and I alive one more day really matter? If you left us alive another night and we were lying, you'd lose ONE TOWNIE. Don't you think it's worth it to see if we're telling the truth? This is INCREDIBLY POWERFUL, and you'd rather just kill one of us than waiting ONE DAY? REALLY?

No, if you are lying, you recruit BB. And losing a seer is quite a big loss.

[Rob S]

You really think IBC would allow the vamps to recruit every other night? Talk about OP.

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

Vidae (2): BeerBaron, Grizz
Rob (3): Gonzo, Bulldogs, ATL
CJ (1): jrdrylie

With 17 alive 9 are needed for majority

[vidae]

You really think IBC would allow the vamps to recruit every other night? Talk about OP.

So the Vampires start out with 3-4-5 members, and then they get to recruit more? That would be the most overpowered ability ever seen in a Mafia game.

It leaves you the opportunity to recruit the most powerful ally the town has.

No, I'm the most powerful ally the town has, and if you kill me you'll immediately regret it.

[jrdrylie]

You really think IBC would allow the vamps to recruit every other night? Talk about OP.

It would make sense. Vampires can kill if they want to. Or they can pass their venom onto their victim, turning them into another vampire. It makes perfect sense.

Unvote: CJ

[Grizzlegom]

alright, if vidae is this all-powerful person, I say we lynch rob and find out if they are lying or not. I doubt he would turn up as good if he was turned into a vampire, typically that stuff is reflected in the role description.

unvote: vidae
vote: rob

[Raiderz4Life]

OOOMMMGGG...some of you are waaay overthinking this or just plain freaking ******** I swear

[ImBrotherCain]

Updated Vote Count:

Vidae (1): BeerBaron,
Rob (4): Gonzo, Bulldogs, ATL, Grizz

With 17 alive 9 are needed for majority

[Rob S]

Seriously, this is the way its going. As a good town leader I will go out on my sword. You will see I am a doppelganger and for the love of God protect vidae.

[jrdrylie]

OOOMMMGGG...some of you are waaay overthinking this or just plain freaking ******** I swear

Tell me more...

[vidae]

How about this, YOU pick who I recruit. The town can PICK WHO I RECRUIT, so if I'm lying it'll be ANYONE. THEY can clear me and tell you guys that I'm telling the truth so you don't lose BB if I'm lying.

What do you have to lose now?

[BeerBaron]

alright, if vidae is this all-powerful person, I say we lynch rob and find out if they are lying or not. I doubt he would turn up as good if he was turned into a vampire, typically that stuff is reflected in the role description.

Beware of vampire thralls though...in other media, they're just normal people who've been "recruited" by the vampires with the promise of passing along the vampire to them as a reward for their service.

So he could die and totally show up as a townie. This is my hesitation in making the switch.

[jrdrylie]

Seriously, this is the way its going. As a good town leader I will go out on my sword. You will see I am a doppelganger and for the love of God protect vidae.

This just makes it more suspicious. You said Vidae can survive attacks from weak vampires. So why waste a protection. Seems like you want our protector to use their power on a mafia member, allowing you to kill another innocent.

[Grizzlegom]

How about this, YOU pick who I recruit. The town can PICK WHO I RECRUIT, so if I'm lying it'll be ANYONE. THEY can clear me and tell you guys that I'm telling the truth so you don't lose BB if I'm lying.

What do you have to lose now?

whoever you recruit will lie because their win condition will be changed.

[Raiderz4Life]

Beware of vampire thralls though...in other media, they're just normal people who've been "recruited" by the vampires with the promise of passing along the vampire to them as a reward for their service.

So he could die and totally show up as a townie. This is my hesitation in making the switch.

This falls under my wwwaaayyyy overthinking part

[ATLDirtyBirds]

My vote stays with vidae. If the town buys their rhetoric and goes with someone else...well...I'll see you all from the darkside starting tomorrow...

(Why do these things always get the most interesting when I either need to be in bed or be working?)


My thought right now is Rob. If vidae really is the "all powerful" one and this is all true, he should still be able to do his work tonight and recruit you.

[Rob S]

Beware of vampire thralls though...in other media, they're just normal people who've been "recruited" by the vampires with the promise of passing along the vampire to them as a reward for their service.

So he could die and totally show up as a townie. This is my hesitation in making the switch.

I claimed doppelganger though. I will show up as that. Absolutely.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I am up for voting Caddy. Watch Vidae tonight. Protect me or BB as well. Worst case we will have a list of evil people and with these night actions the town should be in good shape tomorrow.

unvote: rob

vote: caddy

[vidae]

Beware of vampire thralls though...in other media, they're just normal people who've been "recruited" by the vampires with the promise of passing along the vampire to them as a reward for their service.

So he could die and totally show up as a townie. This is my hesitation in making the switch.

IBC would not just throw out someones death without showing if they were turned. No one would do that.

You guys are still making a gigantic mistake though. Rob will come up as a Doppleganger, and we'll have killed our town leader and the strongest alliance we have.

sigh.