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Sloopy
05-17-2012, 02:04 PM
BIG 10


QB: TomBrady
RB: Shonn Greene
WR: Santonio Holmes
WR: Brandon Lloyd
TE: Owen Daniels
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Carl Nicks
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Marshall Yanda
RT: Jake Long
DE: J.J. Watt
DT: Ndamakung Suh
DT: Jonathan Babineux
DE: Will Smith
OLB: Tamba Hali
MLB: David Harris
MLB: Navoro Bowman
OLB: Lamar Woodley
CB: Vontae Davis
CB: Chris Gamble
FS: Malcolm Jenkins
SS: Dontae Whitner


ACC


QB: Phillip Rivers
RB: Frank Gore
WR: Calvin Johnson Jr.
WR: Andre Johnson
TE: Jimmy Graham
LT: D’Brickashaw Ferguson
LG: Chris Snee
C: Chris Meyers
RG: Vernon Carrey
RT: Eric Winston
DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Vince Wilifork
DT: B.J. Raji
DE: Mario Williams
OLB: Daryl Smith
MLB: Ray Lewis
MLB: Jonathan Beason
OLB: Kamerion Wimbley
CB: Brandon Flowers
CB: Deangelo Hall
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Kam Chancellor


A battle of freakish pass rush vs. probably the best OL in the contest. Who win's out here?

The secondary of the ACC is tough but are they better than Brady with a better than average receiver corps?

Can the above average secondary of the Big 10 contain the beasts the ACC has at WR to a low enough score that Brady can rally and win the scoring battle?

Can Hali and Woodly put enough pressure on Rivers to disrupt him?

We will just have to let the results tell us

jrdrylie
05-17-2012, 02:46 PM
The second round matchups look much better than the first.

The Big 10 has the best offensive line. Nobody is going to beat that line. Brady is also a hug advantage here. But that is where it stops.

You could argue that the Johnsons are the two best receivers in the game. Gore is a better back than Green by far. The SEC has a good defensive line, but the ACC's is better.

tjsunstein
05-17-2012, 02:54 PM
ACC but it wasn't by much.

AntoinCD
05-17-2012, 03:03 PM
I absolutely love Brady behind that offensive line but the Big 10 secondary can't come close to slowing down that receiving corps and it's not like Philip Rivers is just some guy either.

ACC's front 7 is also pretty damn dominant.

I give the Big 10 the advantage at QB and O-line and that's pretty much it.

Sloopy
05-17-2012, 03:25 PM
This is a tough one for me. I don't think it's even conceivable what Brady would do behind that line and it's not a bad receiver corps.

We could postulate that Brady with that kind of time and those receivers would be unstoppable, considering what he has done with worse receivers and lines.

I don't think it would be impossible for the big 10 to win this.

In the end though, I had to go with the ACC. As much as it pains me, they are just too damn good on both sides of the ball

wicket
05-17-2012, 03:33 PM
pierre thomas should be the back over green, well, not sure if pierre should be the back but greene sure as hell shouldnt

vidae
05-17-2012, 03:42 PM
I went ACC but it was close.

Bixby (Thumper)
05-17-2012, 03:47 PM
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Alan Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

ImBrotherCain
05-17-2012, 03:50 PM
I voted ACC. In my own opinion it is more one sided than other people think.

Bixby (Thumper)
05-17-2012, 03:51 PM
Had you listed Charles Woodson, Leon Hall or Antoine Winfield over Gamble that changes things. Same with Cliff Avril over Will Smith. Make it:

QB: Brady
RB: Mendenhall / Greene
FB: Robinson
TE: Daniels
WR: Lloyd / Holmes / Manningham
LT: Thomas
LG: Nicks
C: Mangold
RG: Yanda
RT: Long

LE: Avril
DT: Watt
DT: Suh
DE: Woodley
SLB: Greenway
MLB: Sean Lee
WLB: Navorro Bowman
CB: Vontae Davis / Charles Woodson / Leon Hall
SS: Whitner
FS: Jenkins

Big ten wins.

vidae
05-17-2012, 03:53 PM
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Andre Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

Half of those people you named are awful. Bernard Pollard? AJ Hawk? Really?

Bixby (Thumper)
05-17-2012, 03:56 PM
Half of those people you named are awful. Bernard Pollard? AJ Hawk? Really?

Half ≠ 2 10chars

ImBrotherCain
05-17-2012, 03:58 PM
Half ≠ 2 10chars

Its far worse than that boss.

Brothgar
05-17-2012, 04:01 PM
Why Greene and not Wells?

Bixby (Thumper)
05-17-2012, 04:03 PM
Its far worse than that boss.

Of the rest the only borderline guys I see are Hayden and Castillo. Name the players who don't belong outside of Hawk, Pollard, Hayden and Castillo.

And are you really going to pretend that having Gamble over Woodson, Hall and Winfield and having Greene over Mendenhall are mistakes. And missing Sean Lee, Poz and Greenway are pretty big omissions.

vidae
05-17-2012, 04:03 PM
Had you listed Charles Woodson, Leon Hall or Antoine Winfield over Gamble that changes things. Same with Cliff Avril over Will Smith. Make it:

QB: Brady
RB: Mendenhall / Greene
FB: Robinson
TE: Daniels
WR: Lloyd / Holmes / Manningham
LT: Thomas
LG: Nicks
C: Mangold
RG: Yanda
RT: Long

LE: Avril
DT: Watt
DT: Suh
DE: Woodley
SLB: Greenway
MLB: Sean Lee
WLB: Navorro Bowman
CB: Vontae Davis / Charles Woodson / Leon Hall
SS: Whitner
FS: Jenkins

Big ten wins.

Half ≠ 2 10chars

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descendency
05-17-2012, 04:08 PM
Phillip Rivers + Miami 01 = best team ever.

Bixby (Thumper)
05-17-2012, 04:09 PM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/Bigsteve87/Gifs/DidntReadlolElmo.gif

What is wrong with you people? You're an abrasive bunch.

ImBrotherCain
05-17-2012, 04:16 PM
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Alan Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

To be fair he has both bases covered in terms of 3-4 an 4-3. We aren't talking about making a full roster its a starting lineup for fun.

As for players who shouldn't even be considered... Connor, Hawk, Pickett, Robinson (FB wasn't even listed) Bulaga, Klug and that is just the start. You can make arguments for some sure but to go on a rant of these people not being included is crazy.

Sure maybe if you factor in depth the Big 10 might win more handily (Didn't do enough research to make a decision) but the fact is that is not the parameters that Sloopy as made for this.

Bulldogs
05-17-2012, 05:20 PM
I think the ACC team wins by a pretty fair amount. That team is stacked.

Complex
05-17-2012, 05:33 PM
Miami plus a good NFL QB > all

Sloopy
05-17-2012, 05:43 PM
pierre thomas should be the back over green, well, not sure if pierre should be the back but greene sure as hell shouldnt

It was actually a toss up between Pierre, Greene and Wells. I couldn't decide but I felt that Greene has been the best producer of the 3 and went with him, it could have easily been the other two though


Had you listed Charles Woodson, Leon Hall or Antoine Winfield over Gamble that changes things. Same with Cliff Avril over Will Smith. Make it:

I think Gamble is a bit underrated by people, I considered Hall over him, but felt it was pretty close. I also considered Woodson but with Woodson being more of a slot guy, I didn't feel comfortable putting him in a #1/#2 spot.

In fact, I almost put Woodson at safety but I felt that people would poo poo at that.

I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

If you read the original post you would know I narrowed it down to one for each position without back ups.

Letting people interchange players could mean everyone basing their decisions off of completely different teams than anyone else.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas?

Again, I had to make a decision on one person. Mendenhall is good but not great, to be completely honest, none of the big ten backs are that great.

Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense?

I actually built this to be able to mix a 3-4 and 4-3 although Hali and Woodley are best fit in a 3-4.

Where are Laurinaitis

TRUST ME, I have a huge man crush on Laurinaitis and would have loved to put him there.

Even still, Navorro Bowman and David Harris are the best ILB from this division.

Bowman and Harris as 3-4 ILB > JL as a 4-3 ILB

Greenway

Greenway is a great player but both Hali and Woodley are better 3-4 OLB than Greenway is a 4-3 OLB

Posluszny

See explanation for JL

Sean Lee

Bowman and Harris > Sean Lee

Dan Connor

Dude is pretty much a backup

Hawk

This man is certainly underrated but not better than the two chosen

and Angerer?

Being the best Colts LB doesn't make you the best LB.

Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield?

Explained CHalres Woodson and Winfield is pretty washed up at this point in his career

You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team?

Peko is a great rotational guy, not solid by himself.

Pickett almost made it but had to make a judgement call.

Did you forget Purdue existed?

Nope

Drew Brees

If I was building my own team, I probably take Brees over Brady at this point; but I have to think about more than myself, I have to think about what most people would agree upon.

Furthermore I liked they idea of Brady behind that line with those receivers. He is a big reason that an argument could be made for the big ten in this matchup

Ray Edwards

Over rated

Shaun Phillips

Not better than Hali or Woodson

Cliff Avril

Almost made it

Bernard Pollard

Whitner > Pollard

Ryan Kerrigan

Great season but Hali and Woodson still are better

and Dustin Keller?

Owen Daniels is a better receiver and we needed another receiving option for Brady

Michael Robinson is a beast at FB?

Agreed, but there are no FBs on these lists.

Barry Cofield

Almost made it

Luis Castillo?

Not these days

Mario Manningham

Your talking about a slot guy over two #1 type receivers?

Bryan Bulaga

Look at who he is up against... Who would you replace with Bulaga

Kelvin Hayden?

Up against VD and CG?

Rosebud
05-17-2012, 06:08 PM
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Alan Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

That's a lot of unspectacular/mediocre players to be acting so douche-y about.

Sloopy
05-17-2012, 06:10 PM
Also Bixby, there are just as many guys who could be listed for the ACC that weren't listed, the point is that I had to narrow it down to a starting lineup without back ups

Shane P. Hallam
05-17-2012, 06:11 PM
I'll be a Big 10 homer, but honestly, only reason is Brady + O-line vs. that secondary.

Sloopy
05-17-2012, 06:14 PM
I'll be a Big 10 homer, but honestly, only reason is Brady + O-line vs. that secondary.

I know I voted ACC (and I'm not saying that I don't think the ACC would win) but I don't think this fact can be undervalued.

Brady might very well destroy ANY team with that line and those fairly good receivers.

I mean I don't doubt that the BIG 10 could at least keep it close enough to give Brady a shot at the game winning drive

ChiFan24
05-17-2012, 06:45 PM
Everyone's okay with Nicks and Suh on the Big Ten team? I personally wouldn't include guys that never played in the conference.

Complex
05-17-2012, 08:30 PM
Shouldn't it be Cromartie instead of DeAngelo? The ACC hasn't produced a better OLB than Wimbley?

Sloopy
05-17-2012, 09:16 PM
Shouldn't it be Cromartie instead of DeAngelo? The ACC hasn't produced a better OLB than Wimbley?

I thought about Cromartie, but I'm not a huge fan of him. As in other cases I am open to a change if enough people will sign of on it.


Everyone's okay with Nicks and Suh on the Big Ten team? I personally wouldn't include guys that never played in the conference.

I would also have to put most of the Miami players in the big east. As I said in the OP of the first round, I just went with were the teams are now.

StripedWalrus
05-17-2012, 10:57 PM
I voted ACC. In my own opinion it is more one sided than other people think.

I agree with you on the lopsidedness of this one.

Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson from ACC vs. Vontae Davis and Chris Gamble of Big Ten. Then turn it around and you have Holmes and Lloyd vs Flowers and Hall. It only gets worse as the Big Ten team has Shonne Greene running the ball vs Gore running it for the ACC.

mightytitan9
05-17-2012, 11:04 PM
ACC. The skill positions for the ACC are just too good.

Sloopy
05-18-2012, 05:17 AM
I agree it is the ACC in this case, but also try and think about how this game would play out if it were played.

Don't just compare skill positions.

Sloopy
05-18-2012, 01:19 PM
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2011/09/17/ncaaf-ohiostate-miamipg-vertical.jpg

Tom Brady gave it his all and the OL held for the most part. in the end though the scoring duel went to the overpowering ACC offense.