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Shane P. Hallam
05-23-2012, 01:39 PM
Looking at the Predict Top 5 in 2013 Draft, I went back to the history, and there seems to be a correlation between the team and their leading passer:

2012: Indianapolis Colts - Curtis Painter

2011: Carolina Panthers - Jimmy Clausen

2010: St. Louis Rams - Marc Bulger

2009: Detroit Lions - Dan Orlovsky

2008: Miami Dolphins - Cleo Lemon

2007: Oakland Raiders - Andrew Walter

2006: Houston Texans - David Carr

2005: San Francisco 49ers - Tim Rattay


Obviously QB play just keeps being more and more important, but perhaps the way to "predict" the Top 5 next year is to investigate:

1. Who has the worst starting QBs in the NFL

2. Who has the worst BACK-UP. We saw this last year with the Peyton injury, and if a starter goes down, which teams are in danger of tanking?

bigbluedefense
05-23-2012, 01:44 PM
Cleveland, Oakland, Jacksonville, Arizona, and Seattle would be the 5 teams based on this premise with Jacksonville being the runaway front runner for the 1st pick in the draft.

jrdrylie
05-23-2012, 01:49 PM
I'd rank them in terms of awfulness:

1. Cleveland- Brandon Weeden-Colt McCoy-Seneca Wallace

2. Jacksonville- Blaine Gabbert-Chad Henne-Jordan Palmer

3. Arizona Cardinals- Kevin Kolb-John Skelton-Richard Bartel

vidae
05-23-2012, 01:51 PM
Kansas City has Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn, Ricky Stanzi.

That is a pretty awful group of QBs.

jrdrylie
05-23-2012, 01:53 PM
They would have been next on my list

Splat
05-23-2012, 01:56 PM
Kansas City has Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn, Ricky Stanzi.

That is a pretty awful group of QBs.

This.

It's pretty bad.

vidae
05-23-2012, 01:57 PM
I didn't want Weeden but he's got to be better than Blaine Gabbert. I'd put Cleveland third behind the Jags and Cardinals, with the Chiefs hitting somewhere in the top 5.

Brothgar
05-23-2012, 02:02 PM
Rank The starters My opinion most are close and in the same tier

32. Jags - Gabbert
31. Browns - Weeden
30. Phins - Tannehill? Moore?
29. Jets - Sanchez/Tebow
28. Raiders - Palmer
27. Cardinals - Skelton/Kolb
26. Seattle Seahawks - Flynn
25. Kansas City - Cassel
24. Min - Ponder
23. TB - Josh Freeman
22. SF - Alex Smith
21. StL - Sam Bradford
20. Cin - Andy Dalton
19. Buf - Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Was - Robert Griffin
17. Ind - Andrew Luck
16. Ten - Hasselbeck / Locker
15. Bal - Joe Flacco
14. Chi - Jay Cutler
13. Dal - Tony Romo
12. ATL - Matt Ryan
11. S.D. - Philip Rivers
10. Houston - Schaub
9. Philly - Vick
8. Carolina - Cam
7. Detroit - Stafford
6. NYG - Manning
5. Pittsburgh - Ben
4. Denver - Manning
3. Green Bay - Rogers
2. New Orleans - Brees
1. New Englad - Brady

DiG
05-23-2012, 02:06 PM
For me the worst starting qbs right now would probably be:

Gabbert
Kolb
Weeden (most unknown)
Ponder
Matt Moore

Brothgar
05-23-2012, 02:44 PM
Rank the Backups at least thus far


17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker

Brown Leader
05-23-2012, 03:18 PM
OK then...

1. Chiefs - Cassel - Quinn - Stanzi
2. Browns - McCoy - Weeden* - Wallace
3. Vikings - Ponder* - Webb - Rosenfels
4. Dolphins - Moore - Garrard - Tannehill*
5. Seahawks - Flynn - Wilson - Jackson
6. Jaguars - Gabbert - Henne - Palmer
7. Raiders - Palmer - Leinart - Pryor

One away...

1. Chargers - Rivers - Whitehurst
2. Rams - Bradford - Clemens - Brandstater
3. Steelers - Roeth - Batch - Leftwich
4. Eagles - Vick - Kafka - Edwards - Foles
5. Bengals - Dalton* - Gradkowski - Robinson

Caulibflower
05-23-2012, 03:25 PM
I think Seattle probably has the best backup QB situation in the NFL right now - it's the starting situation where the bar's set pretty low.

fear the elf
05-23-2012, 03:36 PM
I think Seattle probably has the best backup QB situation in the NFL right now - it's the starting situation where the bar's set pretty low.

I think Cleveland is in the same situation. They have one of the better backups (and even 3rd QB in Wallace), but the starter is obviously pretty bad.

vidae
05-23-2012, 04:09 PM
worst backup and denver hasn't been mentioned yet?

Brock Osweiler is the futurezzzzzzzzzz.

WCH
05-23-2012, 04:38 PM
Graham Harrell.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/076H4FmedhdWN/439x.jpg

Brent
05-23-2012, 04:58 PM
if a starter goes down, which teams are in danger of tanking?
If Rivers goes down for the season, SD will enjoy that #1 pick.

Brothgar
05-23-2012, 05:07 PM
If Rivers goes down for the season, SD will enjoy that #1 pick.

Whithurst is not that bad. If Rodgers goes down early the Pack might just get #1 overall though

asdf1223
05-23-2012, 05:49 PM
Whithurst is not that bad. If Rodgers goes down early the Pack might just get #1 overall though

Thankfully it means you didn't watch Browns-Seahawks last year. (Not that I am suggesting you should, its one of the worst Quartbacked games ever).

descendency
05-23-2012, 06:22 PM
Jacksonville has the worst QB. Have you seen Gabbert? I mean, if that isn't blatantly obvious, I doubt you've seen Gabbert.

Seattle, Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland, KC, and Arizona could all see major improvements by drafting a real QB. Cincinnati too.

Sam Bradford may be the biggest name on the hot seat this year. If he doesn't perform, he could be out of a job, too.

edit: If Rodgers goes down, the Pack will still be way better than a lot of teams. No chance of the #1 overall pick.

Brodeur
05-23-2012, 06:32 PM
Rank the Backups at least thus far


17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker

Shaun Hill is way too low, and Matt Moore should be number 2 at worst after his season last year.

broncosfan
05-23-2012, 06:44 PM
Well the Dolphins have a rookie starting in Tannehill and two mediocre at best veteran QB's in Moore and Garrard... so they have a really questionable situation.

whatadai
05-23-2012, 07:41 PM
Rank The starters My opinion most are close and in the same tier

32. Jags - Gabbert
31. Browns - Weeden
30. Phins - Tannehill? Moore?
29. Jets - Sanchez/Tebow
28. Raiders - Palmer
27. Cardinals - Skelton/Kolb
26. Seattle Seahawks - Flynn
25. Kansas City - Cassel
24. Min - Ponder
23. TB - Josh Freeman
22. SF - Alex Smith
21. StL - Sam Bradford
20. Cin - Andy Dalton
19. Buf - Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Was - Robert Griffin
17. Ind - Andrew Luck
16. Ten - Hasselbeck / Locker
15. Bal - Joe Flacco
14. Chi - Jay Cutler
13. Dal - Tony Romo
12. ATL - Matt Ryan
11. S.D. - Philip Rivers
10. Houston - Schaub
9. Philly - Vick
8. Carolina - Cam
7. Detroit - Stafford
6. NYG - Manning
5. Pittsburgh - Ben
4. Denver - Manning
3. Green Bay - Rogers
2. New Orleans - Brees
1. New Englad - Brady

Are you kidding me? I'd take Palmer over Skelton, Kolb, Flynn, Ponder, Freeman, and Bradford any day.

bigbluedefense
05-23-2012, 07:48 PM
Are you kidding me? I'd take Palmer over Skelton, Kolb, Flynn, Ponder, Freeman, and Bradford any day.

No way. Palmer is awful. His arm is shot.

I'd take Ponder, Flynn, Freeman, Bradford over him easily, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

Skelton and Kolb? I'd have to think about it. Palmer really is an awful qb.

wogitalia
05-23-2012, 08:08 PM
Well the Dolphins have a rookie starting in Tannehill and two mediocre at best veteran QB's in Moore and Garrard... so they have a really questionable situation.

I'd have thought that was Moore's starter gig to lose.

Minny are certainly up there, the positive we have is that Ponder did flash some potential last year so could move out of the bottom 5 or so teams, probably wont hurt to have a decent LT for the first time in this millennium.

bigbluedefense
05-23-2012, 08:14 PM
Isn't Minny high on their backup? Some people even want Webb to start.

Brodeur
05-23-2012, 08:15 PM
Isn't Minny high on their backup? Some people even want Webb to start.

That's just because he raped Detroit a couple of times.

whatadai
05-23-2012, 08:42 PM
No way. Palmer is awful. His arm is shot.

I'd take Ponder, Flynn, Freeman, Bradford over him easily, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

Skelton and Kolb? I'd have to think about it. Palmer really is an awful qb.
Palmer's shot arm is stronger than Ponder's and Bradford's and more accurate on long throws. Ponder's young and already has problems with his arm too, and I actually like Ponder.

stlouisfan37
05-23-2012, 09:16 PM
Jacksonville has the worst QB. Have you seen Gabbert? I mean, if that isn't blatantly obvious, I doubt you've seen Gabbert.

Seattle, Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland, KC, and Arizona could all see major improvements by drafting a real QB. Cincinnati too.

Sam Bradford may be the biggest name on the hot seat this year. If he doesn't perform, he could be out of a job, too.

edit: If Rodgers goes down, the Pack will still be way better than a lot of teams. No chance of the #1 overall pick.

After the sophomore season that Sam just had, normally I would agree with you. However, I think that the new coaching staff is really high on him, they recognize that he is learning his 3rd new offense in three years, and he wasn't given much to work with last year. I think he gets a 2 year leash for sure. That being said, if he flops again this year there will be a lot of talk next year.

bearfan
05-23-2012, 09:47 PM
I am not a fan of threads like this before the season is played because we don't know what strides some of the QBs will have made during the offseason and how the rookie QBs will fare. The Browns have a rookie QB starting, but it is expected that rookies have a couple years of growing pains. With a guy like Bradford, you don't invest that high of a pick in him and then set him aside after three seasons. Teams are looking to get such instant gratification that they forget that some players take a few years to develop.

The exception is Gabbert.

Teams I that have a bad QB (rookie or young player) situation that I would not expect to draft a QB next year:
MIN, SEA (Flynn gets a few years), CLE, MIA, STL

Teams I would expect to look for a passer early rounds:
ARZ, KC, BUF

stlouisfan37
05-23-2012, 10:46 PM
I am not a fan of threads like this before the season is played because we don't know what strides some of the QBs will have made during the offseason and how the rookie QBs will fare. The Browns have a rookie QB starting, but it is expected that rookies have a couple years of growing pains. With a guy like Bradford, you don't invest that high of a pick in him and then set him aside after three seasons. Teams are looking to get such instant gratification that they forget that some players take a few years to develop.

The exception is Gabbert.

Teams I that have a bad QB (rookie or young player) situation that I would not expect to draft a QB next year:
MIN, SEA (Flynn gets a few years), CLE, MIA, STL

Teams I would expect to look for a passer early rounds:
ARZ, KC, BUF

There are a lot of teams that have filled their QB needs. Or, should I say, have taken a QB and dubbed him "their guy."

So, with what looks like a really strong draft class, will this be a year when perrennial contenders take a QB that falls to them because the opportunity doesn't come around that often? Brady is 35, Brees is 33, Romo is 32, Roethlisberger is 30. If a guy like Murray or Wilson were to fall through the first round do you think someone like New England or Dallas takes him much like Green Bay took Rodgers?

phlysac
05-23-2012, 11:01 PM
I'm thinking Josh Johnson has a slight edge on Kaepernick for the 49ers' backup job. Too early to know for sure.

Shane P. Hallam
05-24-2012, 09:04 AM
Let's rank the back-up QBs:



32. St. Louis Rams – Kellen Clemens
31. Green Bay Packers – Graham Harrell
30. New Orleans Saints – Chase Daniel
29. Carolina Panthers – Derek Anderson
28. Cincinnati Bengals – Bruce Gradkowski
27. Denver Broncos – Caleb Hanie
26. San Diego Chargers – Charlie Whitehurst
25. Philadelphia Eagles – Mike Kafka
24. Oakland Raiders – Matt Leinart
23. Buffalo Bills – Vince Young
22. Jacksonville Jaguars – Chad Henne
21. Indianapolis Colts – Drew Stanton
20. New York Giants – David Carr
19. Kansas City Chiefs – Brady Quinn
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Dan Orlovsky
17. Washington Redskins – Rex Grossman
16. Baltimore Ravens – Tyrod Taylor
15. Pittsburgh Steelers – Charlie Batch
14. Minnesota Vikings – Rosenfels/Webb
13. Miami Dolphins – David Garrard/Tannehill
12. Atlanta Falcons – Chris Redman
11. Cleveland Browns – Colt McCoy
10. Arizona Cardinals – John Skelton
9. Seattle Seahawks – Tarvaris Jackson/Russell Wilson
8. San Francisco 49ers – Josh Johnson
7. New York Jets – Tim Tebow
6. Chicago Bears – Jason Campbell
5. New England Patriots – Brian Hoyer
4. Houston Texans – TJ Yates
3. Detroit Lions – Shaun Hill
2. Dallas Cowboys – Kyle Orton
1. Tennessee Titans – Matt Hasselbeck/Jake Locker


This was tougher than I thought. I may have guys like Tyrod Taylor (unproven,) or Charlie Batch (reliable but old,) too high while guys like Bruce Gradkowski who has struggled when he came in, may be too low because he can manage games. I wonder if Brees or Rodgers goes down this year what would happen to GB or NO

Shane P. Hallam
05-24-2012, 09:04 AM
Also, if anyone argues with me about a BACK-UP QB list, that is sad, lol.

Nalej
05-24-2012, 09:25 AM
I'll be the first!

B.Quinn > V.Young?

Brodeur
05-24-2012, 09:26 AM
Brady Quinn is not better than Chad Henne. Stupid as it is to argue, Brady Quinn is ******* terrible, while Henne is just a mediocre starter.

Splat
05-24-2012, 09:41 AM
I still can't believe the Chiefs signed Brady Quinn... :facepalm:

I think Scott Pioli did it just to troll the fans screaming for any QB not named Matt Cassel.

Gay Ork Wang
05-24-2012, 09:42 AM
brady quinn is NOT better than 12 of those guys. he's not better than any of those guys. neither is hanie.
i could give Hanie somewhat of a pass cause martz is horrible at adjusting

scottyboy
05-24-2012, 09:42 AM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.383838!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

that's right David, we all know where you should be on those back up QB lists

TimD
05-24-2012, 10:29 AM
The Jets have a brutal group of QBs. thankfully theyre young

Sanchez, Tebow, McElroy, Simms

Brothgar
05-24-2012, 10:50 AM
Also, if anyone argues with me about a BACK-UP QB list, that is sad, lol.

For the most part I can agree with what you got but I think Henne should be switched with Tebow and Bruce Gradkowski did well backing up for the Raiders I would have put him higher on the list. .

bigbluedefense
05-24-2012, 02:16 PM
David Carr to Sinorice Moss. Un. Stoppable.

Notredameleo
05-25-2012, 10:01 PM
Rank the Backups at least thus far


17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker

It seems trivial to be arguing about back up qb's, but Hill is better than Webb, Yates, Grossman, McCoy(really?), and Skelton easily.

XxXdragonXxX
05-28-2012, 03:58 PM
Rank the Backups at least thus far


17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker

It feels really dumb arguing about backup qbs, but...

I fail to see how Henne is better than Moore. Moore easily outplayed Henne last season. He also looked pretty good a few years ago in Carolina. Henne has never looked good. Honestly I was surprised that the Dolphins tried so hard to replace Moore.

Monomach
05-28-2012, 04:21 PM
The Jags have the worst starter, but one of the best backups. I'd say Henne is better than a quarter of the starters out there.

Worst backup award probably goes to the Packers.

bigbluedefense
05-28-2012, 04:26 PM
Honestly, I don't really want a great backup qb. I want an old guy who can provide a second pair of eyes to my starter and give him intel on what he's seeing from the sidelines, but that's all I want. Or a guy who's capable of providing quality practice play for my defense to prepare with.

If my qb goes down, I rather tank the season and get the draft picks.

Monomach
05-28-2012, 04:48 PM
Honestly, I don't really want a great backup qb. I want an old guy who can provide a second pair of eyes to my starter and give him intel on what he's seeing from the sidelines, but that's all I want. Or a guy who's capable of providing quality practice play for my defense to prepare with.

If my qb goes down, I rather tank the season and get the draft picks.

Last year, Bears. Cutler went down when the Bears were rolling. It looked like Cutler could come back for the playoffs and we all figured they just had to go .500 the rest of the way to limp in.

Instead, they melted down and we still got a crappy pick.

Imagine the same thing happened to Eli and the Giants. Do you want Jason Campbell or Kellen Clemens as your backup in that situation?

I'd say good teams should get good backups and bad teams should get bad backups. edit: and by bad, I don't mean proven failures. I mean young projects with the right physical tools.

Scotty D
05-28-2012, 04:54 PM
You have to try to have a good back up QB. You can't even think about tanking. You have 51 other players on the team that prepared all year for the season and you can't give up on it because one guy goes down. Polian did this with the Colts and I guess they ended up with Andrew Luck but his ass got fired. I'm sure he thought he won the lotto and was going to rebuild with Luck though.

bigbluedefense
05-28-2012, 04:58 PM
That's true. I didn't think about the whole Cutler situation in Chicago.

Brothgar
05-28-2012, 05:16 PM
It feels really dumb arguing about backup qbs, but...

I fail to see how Henne is better than Moore. Moore easily outplayed Henne last season. He also looked pretty good a few years ago in Carolina. Henne has never looked good. Honestly I was surprised that the Dolphins tried so hard to replace Moore.

Henne only played what a whopping three and a half games last season? Matt Moore played well in stretches but so did Henne. Lets not forget that Henne was the starter that season as well.

fenikz
05-28-2012, 06:12 PM
Let's rank the back-up QBs:



32. St. Louis Rams Kellen Clemens
31. Green Bay Packers Graham Harrell
30. New Orleans Saints Chase Daniel
29. Carolina Panthers Derek Anderson
28. Cincinnati Bengals Bruce Gradkowski
27. Denver Broncos Caleb Hanie
26. San Diego Chargers Charlie Whitehurst
25. Philadelphia Eagles Mike Kafka
24. Oakland Raiders Matt Leinart
23. Buffalo Bills Vince Young
22. Jacksonville Jaguars Chad Henne
21. Indianapolis Colts Drew Stanton
20. New York Giants David Carr
19. Kansas City Chiefs Brady Quinn
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Dan Orlovsky
17. Washington Redskins Rex Grossman
16. Baltimore Ravens Tyrod Taylor
15. Pittsburgh Steelers Charlie Batch
14. Minnesota Vikings Rosenfels/Webb
13. Miami Dolphins David Garrard/Tannehill
12. Atlanta Falcons Chris Redman
11. Cleveland Browns Colt McCoy
10. Arizona Cardinals John Skelton
9. Seattle Seahawks Tarvaris Jackson/Russell Wilson
8. San Francisco 49ers Josh Johnson
7. New York Jets Tim Tebow
6. Chicago Bears Jason Campbell
5. New England Patriots Brian Hoyer
4. Houston Texans TJ Yates
3. Detroit Lions Shaun Hill
2. Dallas Cowboys Kyle Orton
1. Tennessee Titans Matt Hasselbeck/Jake Locker


This was tougher than I thought. I may have guys like Tyrod Taylor (unproven,) or Charlie Batch (reliable but old,) too high while guys like Bruce Gradkowski who has struggled when he came in, may be too low because he can manage games. I wonder if Brees or Rodgers goes down this year what would happen to GB or NO

2 1sts to AZ for Skelton!