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Caulibflower
06-03-2012, 05:54 PM
Made a thread for Onterrio McCalebb awhile ago, and another guy I really like in this capacity is Kenjon Barner. Probably not first-round picks, but every NFL team wants to have a couple of these guys on their roster.

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ATLDirtyBirds
06-03-2012, 06:03 PM
Dem Ray Graham cuts...

FUNBUNCHER
06-03-2012, 06:06 PM
The Honey-badger.

Caulibflower
06-03-2012, 06:19 PM
*double-post deleted*

Caulibflower
06-03-2012, 06:22 PM
Dem Ray Graham cuts...

...He of the knee injury? always hate to see guys injure their knees, but the guys whose games are about sudden movement and cutting always seem to lose the most.

gator3guy
06-03-2012, 06:29 PM
Black Mamba

ATLDirtyBirds
06-03-2012, 06:33 PM
...He of the knee injury? always hate to see guys injure their knees, but the guys whose games are about sudden movement and cutting always seem to lose the most.


That'd be him. Hopefully he can regain what he was. Mighty impressive pre-injury.

Caulibflower
06-03-2012, 06:48 PM
Think Tavon Austin probably belongs in this thread:

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OSUGiants17
06-03-2012, 10:36 PM
The honey badger might not be the ideal pick here, but his speed and jukes on punt returns and INT/Fumble returns is scary.

nepg
06-03-2012, 10:49 PM
McGuffie is still a beast.

TACKLE
06-03-2012, 10:54 PM
Dem Ray Graham cuts...

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step 1: watch the clip
step 2: repeat
step 3: see steps 1 and 2

Brown Leader
06-03-2012, 11:01 PM
Braxton Miller, Keenan Allen

Roy Finch...

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Duffman57
06-03-2012, 11:32 PM
A few names to throw out there....

DeAnthony Thomas (i know he's not eligible, but he's easily the best in the nation)

Kenjon Barner is already listed for good reason

Robbie Rouse is a freak of nature, he actually is a Sproles clone (that term is thrown around too loosely now, but he's the closest thing i've seen to it, the foot speed, body type (that thick lower body) and agility, but doing a great job of knowing when to and putting his head down and grinding out extra yards is just what sets him apart from the other guys compared to Sproles). See Vids below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyeDDXt0mLc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_0nQjfSw0A

Surprised Andre Ellington hasn't been mentioned here.

Obviously not the top guy, but Dennard Robinson is an interesting one here, great open field guy.

phlysac
06-03-2012, 11:52 PM
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step 1: watch the clip
step 2: repeat
step 3: see steps 1 and 2

This has always been my favorite. One of the best ever runs in my opinion.

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dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 12:47 PM
So many people confuse "speed" with "elusiveness" and there is a big difference.



When it comes to runningbacks elusiveness in traffic is far more important than in space anyway. So this is a rather pointless discussion.

Caulibflower
06-04-2012, 01:23 PM
So many people confuse "speed" with "elusiveness" and there is a big difference.



When it comes to runningbacks elusiveness in traffic is far more important than in space anyway. So this is a rather pointless discussion.

Which... is why the names I've thrown out have been change-of-pace runners who also catch the ball and return kicks, as well as a receiver. This is about running in space, and yes, speed has a lot to do with elusiveness. McCalebb's not the shiftiest, but he can start and go quickly and hits seams hard - when he's doing that through a broken field, it's pretty damn hard to get a good shot at him.

dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 03:37 PM
Which... is why the names I've thrown out have been change-of-pace runners who also catch the ball and return kicks, as well as a receiver. This is about running in space, and yes, speed has a lot to do with elusiveness. McCalebb's not the shiftiest, but he can start and go quickly and hits seams hard - when he's doing that through a broken field, it's pretty damn hard to get a good shot at him.



The guys that are being discussed are all fast track guys that aren't real great football players. Excluding Ray Graham who is the real deal if healthy at RB.

Caulibflower
06-04-2012, 03:56 PM
The guys that are being discussed are all fast track guys that aren't real great football players. Excluding Ray Graham who is the real deal if healthy at RB.

Then throw out a name, and quit trying to be the guy who "knows it's not all about speed."

FUNBUNCHER
06-04-2012, 04:17 PM
You don't have to be fast to be elusive,(hard to catch), but many fast guys do have a type of 'elusiveness', in that if they make a cut and get a step on you, they're gone.

Thread title was best-open-field-runners, and I'd put Mathieu's open field skills with the ball up there with anyone in the BCS.

Spaceboy1
06-04-2012, 04:18 PM
Lots of wiggle in this kid...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKdmmyvM5vM

dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 04:19 PM
Ray Graham is ultra elusive and also has good speed.

Montee Ball is sneaky elusive.

I haven't seen much from anyone else that has really stood out to me but I won't really get into scouting guys until the season starts.

Caulibflower
06-04-2012, 04:20 PM
You don't have to be fast to be elusive,(hard to catch), but many fast guys do have a type of 'elusiveness', in that if they make a cut and get a step on you, they're gone.

Thread title was best-open-field-runners, and I'd put Mathieu's open field skills with the ball up there with anyone in the BCS.

Exactly. There's all types, and I don't think there's been a 40 time mentioned in this thread anyways.

Spaceboy1
06-04-2012, 04:22 PM
Charles Sims

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Brown Leader
06-04-2012, 04:24 PM
The guys that are being discussed are all fast track guys that aren't real great football players. Excluding Ray Graham who is the real deal if healthy at RB.

Roy Finch is def not a burner.

dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 04:30 PM
Lots of wiggle in this kid...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKdmmyvM5vM

Not really.


I really like Sims as a bit of a sleeper prospect. He's more of a one cut type back who is great in the pass game. The skill set reminds me of McFadden. He will have a lot to prove with more on his shoulders without Keenum around.

Spaceboy1
06-04-2012, 04:33 PM
Not really.


I really like Sims as a bit of a sleeper prospect. He's more of a one cut type back who is great in the pass game. The skill set reminds me of McFadden. He will have a lot to prove with more on his shoulders without Keenum around.

Not really? Guess you haven't seen much of him. Definitely a guy that excels in the open field rather than between the tackles.

dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 04:39 PM
Exactly. There's all types, and I don't think there's been a 40 time mentioned in this thread anyways.

When all you bring up are guys known for speed you don't really have to discuss 40 times.


However it comes down to that we have opposing ideas as to what constitutes as elusiveness.

Caulibflower
06-04-2012, 04:44 PM
When all you bring up are guys known for speed you don't really have to discuss 40 times.


However it comes down to that we have opposing ideas as to what constitutes as elusiveness.

How about "hard to tackle in space?"

dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 04:44 PM
Not really? Guess you haven't seen much of him. Definitely a guy that excels in the open field rather than between the tackles.

The video you posted only shows Sims running in a straightline. Very nice onecut back with good speed, but not real elusive.

Spaceboy1
06-04-2012, 04:49 PM
The video you posted only shows Sims running in a straightline. Very nice onecut back with good speed, but not real elusive.

There are other highlights out there but I guess you're right. He is more one cut with speed, great cuts but not as much of an elusive dancing type guy.

dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 04:50 PM
How about "hard to tackle in space?"

Lol. Thats a better term for what your talking about. I can role with that.

Caulibflower
06-04-2012, 04:51 PM
Not really.


I really like Sims as a bit of a sleeper prospect. He's more of a one cut type back who is great in the pass game. The skill set reminds me of McFadden. He will have a lot to prove with more on his shoulders without Keenum around.

You seem pretty intent on interpreting this as a "best running backs" thread, which it's not intended to be. We're talking about returners, guys who run the screen play well, etc. Guys you get the ball to in space. Even guys like Ted Ginn have a place in the NFL, even though he's never developed into a top wideout. And it's because of what he does in the open field, when he's returning kicks, mostly - and it's mostly because of his speed.

McCalebb and Barner aren't guys who look like they'll carry the load as running backs. But they both have that hit-it-and-go mentality, and they have the speed and decisiveness to hit a seam in a broken field and take it the distance. That's what I'm talking about. It's not about who can handle "more on their shoulders" so much as who's the best in that particular scenario - where the field is broken already, regardless of what the original play was. Kickoffs, screens, tosses, options - We're talking about the guys whose specialty is working away from the line of scrimmage.

Caulibflower
06-04-2012, 04:51 PM
Lol. Thats a better term for what your talking about. I can role with that.

Don't really see how that's much different than the title, but whatever floats your boat. Haha.

dmoneyrockin
06-04-2012, 05:31 PM
You seem pretty intent on interpreting this as a "best running backs" thread, which it's not intended to be. We're talking about returners, guys who run the screen play well, etc. Guys you get the ball to in space. Even guys like Ted Ginn have a place in the NFL, even though he's never developed into a top wideout. And it's because of what he does in the open field, when he's returning kicks, mostly - and it's mostly because of his speed.

McCalebb and Barner aren't guys who look like they'll carry the load as running backs. But they both have that hit-it-and-go mentality, and they have the speed and decisiveness to hit a seam in a broken field and take it the distance. That's what I'm talking about. It's not about who can handle "more on their shoulders" so much as who's the best in that particular scenario - where the field is broken already, regardless of what the original play was. Kickoffs, screens, tosses, options - We're talking about the guys whose specialty is working away from the line of scrimmage.

I get what your saying. I just disagree with the term elusive when discussing these players. These are straightline runners and nothing much else.

Dude, posted a video of Sims saying he had wiggle. I disagreed, and gave my evaluation of him. Didn't know that was against the rules of your thread. My bad.

bulldog0123
06-05-2012, 07:26 PM
A guy that I think would fit in this thread is Robbie Rouse, RB from Fresno State.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxdeqyAp8dM

Skip to 0:36

Caulibflower
06-05-2012, 07:58 PM
A guy that I think would fit in this thread is Robbie Rouse, RB from Fresno State.

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Skip to 0:36

Sproles flashback at 2:30.

prock
06-05-2012, 11:13 PM
Think Tavon Austin probably belongs in this thread:

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Think I saw that guy in The Wire...

dmoneyrockin
06-05-2012, 11:24 PM
A guy that I think would fit in this thread is Robbie Rouse, RB from Fresno State.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxdeqyAp8dM

Skip to 0:36

Rouse runs with surprising power, and has good vision in the open field. Very good open field runner. Not the fastest guy out there either.

dmoneyrockin
06-05-2012, 11:39 PM
Rouse kinda reminds me of MJD, more than Sproles. Rouse looks bigger than 185 to me.


Rouse is one guy I'm looking forward watching this year. With a good year, and strong workouts could be a 3rd round pick.

Duffman57
06-06-2012, 01:53 AM
Rouse kinda reminds me of MJD, more than Sproles. Rouse looks bigger than 185 to me.


Rouse is one guy I'm looking forward watching this year. With a good year, and strong workouts could be a 3rd round pick.

I played vs. Rouse in HS...kid is just sick. I remember there being a play that our D just blew up, and he juked out 3 of our LB's and then ran over our S and took it to the house. He's a HELL of an athlete.

Kid is gonna be a stud in the Pro's, even if it is just in that 3rd down role.

norcalgsr
06-06-2012, 02:03 AM
Rouse kinda reminds me of MJD, more than Sproles. Rouse looks bigger than 185 to me.


Rouse is one guy I'm looking forward watching this year. With a good year, and strong workouts could be a 3rd round pick.

I see Rouse as a smaller Ahmad Bradshaw type. He's not quite as quick as Sproles nor powerful as MJD.

Fresno State is going to a spread Offense, so he might have more running room this year.

ATLDirtyBirds
06-06-2012, 10:02 AM
I've only seen one full game + highlights, but Rouse seems similar to Jaquizz Rodgers more so than Sproles.

norcalgsr
06-06-2012, 11:05 PM
If you guys like Rouse, you'll love Branden Oliver from Buffalo even more:

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dunagan15
06-06-2012, 11:51 PM
Although hes on the Steelers now, and non homerism here, but Chris Rainey had the nastiest 1 step cut I can remember.

HakeemtheMachine
06-07-2012, 08:46 AM
Not really.


I really like Sims as a bit of a sleeper prospect. He's more of a one cut type back who is great in the pass game. The skill set reminds me of McFadden. He will have a lot to prove with more on his shoulders without Keenum around.
I did a Sims vid

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Caulibflower
06-08-2012, 12:15 AM
If you guys like Rouse, you'll love Branden Oliver from Buffalo even more:

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gotta be the closest thing to Ray Rice I've seen in awhile.

gator3guy
06-09-2012, 04:13 PM
gotta be the closest thing to Ray Rice I've seen in awhile.

I was thinking Brian Westbrook. Not the fastest guys, but quick. Small and compact runners who can catch the ball out of the backfield.

OSUGiants17
06-09-2012, 05:46 PM
I did a Sims vid

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I'd love to see him against some better competition. Playing against mediocre competition all year and having an o-line that opens up holes as big as the ones I saw in that video as well as several pornos makes him look a lot better than he is. Who knows, maybe he really is something special, but he just looks like a guy who had a great passing game and o-line to help him get some big runs against a bad defense.

Caulibflower
06-09-2012, 11:27 PM
I was thinking Brian Westbrook. Not the fastest guys, but quick. Small and compact runners who can catch the ball out of the backfield.

That works for me, too. Made me think of Ray Rice because of the bob-and-weave running style, compact build, hands, and the way he finishes runs. At least in that highlight video, it seemed like there were always two or three guys on him by the time he went down.

Caulibflower
06-09-2012, 11:29 PM
I'd love to see him against some better competition. Playing against mediocre competition all year and having an o-line that opens up holes as big as the ones I saw in that video as well as several pornos makes him look a lot better than he is. Who knows, maybe he really is something special, but he just looks like a guy who had a great passing game and o-line to help him get some big runs against a bad defense.

Are you talking about Sims looking good in pornos you've seen, or the holes in pornos you watch being several meters wide?

Either way, I raise my eyebrow at you.

OSUGiants17
06-10-2012, 12:17 AM
Are you talking about Sims looking good in pornos you've seen, or the holes in pornos you watch being several meters wide?

Either way, I raise my eyebrow at you.

I was talking about the holes

StickSkills
06-10-2012, 12:20 AM
I would put Silas Zu-Zu Redd in this thread, but he doesn't have the speed to match his moves to fit here.

Caulibflower
06-10-2012, 03:22 AM
I would put Silas Zu-Zu Redd in this thread, but he doesn't have the speed to match his moves to fit here.

I don't know. I don't think it's a lack of speed. He certainly runs like he's being controlled by an xbox controller, but I really just wish he'd plant his foot and take it downfield sometimes. It looks to me like he hardly ever gets up to full speed because he's always trying to put a move on the next guy he sees. That, and he trips over his own feet maybe more than any running back I've ever seen. And falls down a lot 'cause he's always spinning around and juking so hard. Poor-man's Reggie Bush without the multi-faceted game. Wants to be Reggie Bush. Watching him in college reminds me of how Bush looked his first few years in the NFL. Jukes two guys out of their shoes... four-yard gain.

TheFinisher
07-01-2012, 08:21 AM
Think Tavon Austin probably belongs in this thread:

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Yea he's up there with anyone in the open field, and has Eagles written all over him.

JamiesonSports
08-05-2012, 04:11 PM
no doubt Deanthony Thomas is a freak in the open field

norcalgsr
08-06-2012, 01:26 PM
Sophomore LSU WR Odell Beckham, Jr has some nasty jukes after the catch:

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K Train
08-06-2012, 03:07 PM
McGuffie is still a beast.

this is truth. ha


robinson not getting a mention, hes a terror in the open field

DBNYDP
08-13-2012, 07:14 PM
I made a thread about Tavon last year and I stick with him now. Creative with jukes, excellent wiggle, and amazing acceleration make him I think put him at the top or close to the top of list. It doesn't hurt that he's tough, runs solid routes, and has decent hands.