Elder Scrolls Battleground Game - Mages/Grizz WIN!

[ImBrotherCain]

Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (6): Gonzo, UKfan, Bulldogs, Vidae, CJ, Elvis
JBond (2): JBond, Broth
TitanHope (1): TitanHope

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

[Bulldogs]

You can vote for me if you like :)

What makes you think Gonzo isn't a guild member? I'm not convinced by him at all.

He very well could be, but I'm convinced Shane and TH are. Out of those three, I'll take Gonzo. I don't see any other viable people running.

[Caddy]

He very well could be, but I'm convinced Shane and TH are. Out of those three, I'll take Gonzo. I don't see any other viable people running.

I'll run.

vote: Caddy

My ego needs a boost!

[Dr. Gonzo]

You can vote for me if you like :)

What makes you think Gonzo isn't a guild member? I'm not convinced by him at all.

Nobody has come out with any info? Who do you actually trust? If you are smart it should be nobody. I would like to hear all the reasons you trust me less than others, I can take it. We must air everything out and be open.

[Caddy]

Nobody has come out with any info? Who do you actually trust? If you are smart it should be nobody. I would like to hear all the reasons you trust me less than others, I can take it. We must air everything out and be open.

I never trust you. Do we need to go over that for the fiftieth time?

[Dr. Gonzo]

I never trust you. Do we need to go over that for the fiftieth time?

No I just wanted you to say that is the reason. As usual, awful gameplay. I expect nothing more from you and thank you for never disappointing me.

[Caddy]

No I just wanted you to say that is the reason. As usual, awful gameplay. I expect nothing more from you and thank you for never disappointing me.

It is this kind of pompous garbage which is why people shouldn't vote for you. 'Person doesn't think I'm good? Better call them an awful player'.

[ImBrotherCain]

Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (6): Gonzo, UKfan, Bulldogs, Vidae, CJ, Elvis
JBond (2): JBond, Broth
TitanHope (1): TitanHope
Caddy (1): Caddy

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

We have reached the minimum amount for the 2 hour count but I will be postponing due to it being 11 PM EST.

The clock will start tomorrow morning.

[Dr. Gonzo]

It is this kind of pompous garbage which is why people shouldn't vote for you. 'Person doesn't think I'm good? Better call them an awful player'.

No no no. You have it wrong. I don't think you are an awful player because you don't trust me. Get it straight. I mean do you think you are the first person not to trust me? You are an awful player for many other reasons. Your arrogance does not allow you to see this.

[Brothgar]

I'll say that if Caddy garner's more support I have no problem voting for him.

[Caddy]

No no no. You have it wrong. I don't think you are an awful player because you don't trust me. Get it straight. I mean do you think you are the first person not to trust me? You are an awful player for many other reasons. Your arrogance does not allow you to see this.

Is it possible for you to not be an asshole?

[RufusMcDaniel]

I'll say that if Caddy garner's more support I have no problem voting for him.

Vote: Caddy!

Your move broth.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Is it possible for you to not be an asshole?

I may be an asshole but I am an honest asshole.

[Caddy]

Broth and Shane, if you can get behind me as the BM, I will make sure the Gonzo/Shane duel happens.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'll say that if Caddy garner's more support I have no problem voting for him.

You really don't want me to be battlemaster hahaha. I mean you voted Shane, that was pure craziness. I still love you buddy.

[sbh15]

I'll say that if Caddy garner's more support I have no problem voting for him.

front-running scum!

vote: Caddy - Gonzo will probably win anyway, but Caddy strikes me as more trustworthy

[ImBrotherCain]

Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (6): Gonzo, UKfan, Bulldogs, Vidae, CJ, Elvis
JBond (2): JBond, Broth
TitanHope (1): TitanHope
Caddy (3): Caddy, Rufus, sbh

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

[Raiderz4Life]

Is it possible for you to not be an asshole?

No I don't believe it is.

[Caddy]

front-running scum!

vote: Caddy - Gonzo will probably win anyway, but Caddy strikes me as more trustworthy

If elected I will offer as much transparency in my decisions as possible. I will endeavour to listen to who the town thinks should be in the arena, and then base my decisions around that.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Broth and Shane, if you can get behind me as the BM, I will make sure the Gonzo/Shane duel happens.

Please explain what about that makes strategic sense. That is all I want to know. Again, if the people want me to fight Shane well I likely will nominate him day two so feel free to vote for me to face him if by then you all deem my moves ****** or don't trust me.

[Raiderz4Life]

vote caddy

Best option so far haha

Can't get behind Shane's crazy ass....or Gonzo's.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Well if this isn't a guild banding together to support each other then I don't know what is. (did I just accuse people not backing me of being evil again? ahhhh ****)

[Brothgar]

Unvote Shane
Vote Caddy

Please note how many votes gonzo has

[sbh15]

I can't speak for anyone else, Gonzo, but I voted Caddy because I have no idea what to make of you. I'm not very experienced in these games, but one post you seem good, the next bad. perhaps it's just the way I'm interpreting things. anyway, the fact that you strike me as a wild card makes me uncomfortable with you as BM

[vidae]

I'm gunna follow Caddy here. I like what he is about. A real mans man candidate. He probably likes steak and football. That is enough for me.

unvote : Gonzo

vote : Caddy

[Caddy]

I'm gunna follow Caddy here. I like what he is about. A real mans man candidate. He probably likes steak and football. That is enough for me.

unvote : Gonzo

vote : Caddy

I LOVE STEAK.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I can't speak for anyone else, Gonzo, but I voted Caddy because I have no idea what to make of you. I'm not very experienced in these games, but one post you seem good, the next bad. perhaps it's just the way I'm interpreting things. anyway, the fact that you strike me as a wild card makes me uncomfortable with you as BM

Well I don't really know what to say then. I can at least understand that. Caddy is going to put me against Shane and Shane will beat me. I just don't see how that is good for the town. Ugh.

[CJSchneider]

What is the updated vote count at present?

[BeerBaron]

Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (5): Gonzo, UKfan, Bulldogs, CJ, Elvis
JBond (1): JBond
TitanHope (1): TitanHope
Caddy (5): Caddy, Rufus, sbh, vidae, broth

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

The vote total required to start the time limit was reach but has been postponed until tomorrow.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Let's also be honest, do we really want an aussie who won't be around until like 7pm to be battlemaster? I mean really :)

[RufusMcDaniel]

Let's also be honest, do we really want an aussie who won't be around until like 7pm to be battlemaster? I mean really :)

On the other hand, we'd have a battlemaster who would be watching out for us while we are sleeping....hmmmm.

[Caddy]

Let's also be honest, do we really want an aussie who won't be around until like 7pm to be battlemaster? I mean really :)

Aren't you going to a baseball game tomorrow?

[Caddy]

On the other hand, we'd have a battlemaster who would be watching out for us while we are sleeping....hmmmm.

Oh I'll be watching you while you sleep. In a non-creepy way. (I will however be creepy when I watch vidae sleep)

[Bulldogs]

I have no dog in this fight, I'm perfectly fine with either of these two winning. Just glad the TH/Shane stream dropped.

[Caddy]

I have no dog in this fight, I'm perfectly fine with either of these two winning. Just glad the TH/Shane stream dropped.

Vote for me good sir. A vote for me is a vote for a leader who will actually listen to the demands of the town.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Vote for me good sir. A vote for me is a vote for a leader who will actually listen to the demands of the town.

Hold up. I say I will listen to the people and you steal that line after you say you have made up your mind that you are making me fight Shane? You crazy Caddy.

Something to look into, TH stops posting after I pointed out that he saved ATL and not me and after he realizes he isn't being named BM. You grow more suspicious in my eyes every day TH.

[Caddy]

Hold up. I say I will listen to the people and you steal that line after you say you have made up your mind that you are making me fight Shane? You crazy Caddy.

Something to look into, TH stops posting after I pointed out that he saved ATL and not me and after he realizes he isn't being named BM. You grow more suspicious in my eyes every day TH.

At the moment I think you are a person that the people want to see in the arena. Which is why if I was elected, you'd probably be my choice. I will however re-read the last 24 hours to make sure that I haven't missed anything crucial. I don't trust you and I don't think you have the town's best interest at heart.

The way I see it, if you fight Shane, a non-town aligned person is going to die.

[Dr. Gonzo]

At the moment I think you are a person that the people want to see in the arena. Which is why if I was elected, you'd probably be my choice. I will however re-read the last 24 hours to make sure that I haven't missed anything crucial. I don't trust you and I don't think you have the town's best interest at heart.

The way I see it, if you fight Shane, a non-town aligned person is going to die.

So you don't trust me only because you never trust me. Now I am for sure evil though. The town has damn near elected me BM, out of all people how does that tell you they want me to die? How? You claim you will be transparent but you are not doing so at all. Just a bunch of empty promises and lies, you would make an excellent politician.

[TitanHope]

Well like I said I thought I missed something. I really don't think you can take credit for D going. You did post about him but I think that just reminded people that there was no reason to trust D. You do know more about the Elder Scrolls but it takes more than that to make a good battlemaster. Every game we see evil people use their knowledge of the theme to get farther in the game. Not saying you are evil but you should at least recognize that.

I was never going to be nominated. You may have saved ATLs ass on that one which only further makes it look like you are working together. Since I have been asked so often, what would you do as battlemaster that makes you a good choice? Right now I just see you as being too suspicious.

D-Unit was a team effort by everyone. It took 13 of us to send him to his death, but regardless of how much credit I'd like to think I deserve, I think it's quite clear that I had much more of an impact in his lynching than you did. You would have thought you had missed something and kept thinking that until I came along and pointed out how the write-up looked very bad for D-Unit. The leader needs to be vocal. If we both thought the same thing, but you kept quiet and I spoke up, then who is more important? If I were evil and wanted to abuse my knowledge, then why paint a target on myself by becoming Battlemaster? People will expect information from me. If I hold anything back, then it'll be quite damning.

Never going to be nominated? You were leading the votes, good sir. If I were in a faction, then you'd be dead right now. You had 6, and ATL had 4. If I voted for you instead of calling out D-Unit, then that makes it 7-4. You had already voted for ATL, but ATL hadn't voted, so there's another vote for you since there's no way he's voting for himself. That's 8-4. From then on, you just need 5 more votes from faction members and you're done. You are dead, and both ATL and D-Unit get off free. And if ATL and I are working together, then you get railroaded, cause that's how I would have saved ATL. At that point, it would have been much riskier to try to get D-Unit lynched than it was to get you in there. I saved you too, dude. I saved you because I am good and wanted to see a guy who I thought was bad sent into the ring over you. Whether you're unwilling to admit that or are just ungrateful, whatever. Personally, I think you're wanting Battlemaster just to protect yourself. You've already practically fallen on the mercy of the town by declaring how weak you are. You want this power in order to help yourself. I want it in order to help the town.

If I'm not Battlemaster, then I trust Caddy more than I do you. He'll at least worry more about the good of the town and not look out for #1.

Unvote: TH
Vote: Caddy

[Bulldogs]

Caddy if I vote for you will you actually listen to the town? I really don't care who is leader between you and Gonzo, but I am much more certain TH is bad than I am of Gonzo. I'm not going to vote you if you're going to nominate based on a little rivalry.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I will say in defense of me I was getting votes thrown my way and thinking more about how to die then D Unit. I mean if we are going to play the I got him to fight card does nobody remember me playing a huge part in Cigaro going down day one? It seems not. TH, it makes sense you would vote Caddy, he has made it clear personal vendettas are much more important to him than the town winning. If the town wants to all vote to send me to fight so be it, I accept that. What we need is someone who will make good nominations, Caddy is not that person.

[RufusMcDaniel]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xTcADBfCBDA/T0OXMPn1BqI/AAAAAAAAFkk/n_06sQJHRuU/s1600/securedownload.jpeg

Believe bulldogs!

[Caddy]

So you don't trust me only because you never trust me. Now I am for sure evil though. The town has damn near elected me BM, out of all people how does that tell you they want me to die? How? You claim you will be transparent but you are not doing so at all. Just a bunch of empty promises and lies, you would make an excellent politician.

If you think my potential decision to nominate you is predicated on past behaviour then you are naive. There has been a vocal portion of the town who has not declared their trust for you. I'm apart of that portion. Nothing you have said this whole game has convinced me that I should trust you. I don't think you are the right choice and I would not feel safe with you having the power.

If I'm elected and you give me compelling reason not to send you in, I will certainly consider it.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I will also like everyone to remember I don't have anybody campaigning for me and we are playing a game with multiple evil guilds who know who each other are. Nobody has yet to give a reason as to why they trust Caddy or why they think he will make a good BM. Am I taking crazy pills?

[Bulldogs]

People voting for Caddy, who do you guys want nominated?

[Dr. Gonzo]

If you think my potential decision to nominate you is predicated on past behaviour then you are naive. There has been a vocal portion of the town who has not declared their trust for you. I'm apart of that portion. Nothing you have said this whole game has convinced me that I should trust you. I don't think you are the right choice and I would not feel safe with you having the power.

If I'm elected and you give me compelling reason not to send you in, I will certainly consider it.

You are so very dense. Give you a good reason? What are you expecting?

Hey Caddy I am good, don't send me in. I can help the town.

Would you like me to make up some night actions?

We don't even need to talk about me. Besides me and Shane, who are you suspicious of? You have played this game so incredibly shady it is kind of laughable you are getting the support you are.

[Caddy]

You are so very dense. Give you a good reason? What are you expecting?

Hey Caddy I am good, don't send me in. I can help the town.

Would you like me to make up some night actions?

We don't even need to talk about me. Besides me and Shane, who are you suspicious of? You have played this game so incredibly shady it is kind of laughable you are getting the support you are.

If people want a Battlemaster who will be as childish as this when his jimmies are rustled, then please, go right ahead and vote for Gonzo.

[RufusMcDaniel]

People voting for Caddy, who do you guys want nominated?

ATL, since Shane made an accusation of him yesterday. I'd prefer to see that matchup over Gonzo vs. Shane.

[Dr. Gonzo]

If people want a Battlemaster who will be as childish as this when his jimmies are rustled, then please, go right ahead and vote for Gonzo.

Way to respond to everything I said. I am surprised you didn't just post a gif.

[Caddy]

Way to respond to everything I said. I am surprised you didn't just post a gif.

I didn't respond because you are acting like a child. Like you just did again.

[Bulldogs]

ATL, since Shane made an accusation of him yesterday. I'd prefer to see that matchup over Gonzo vs. Shane.

How do you feel about this Caddy? You say you'll listen to those who vote you, this is one so far.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I didn't respond because you are acting like a child. Like you just did again.

Framing. This is what republicans do. If you say I am being a child enough then it is true. You are not responding because you are going to say **** it, put me up, and then gloat about it later. You make stupid comments, I am going to call you out for them. That is not being a child.

[Bulldogs]

NOBODY IGNORES MY QUESTIONS!!!

You two are letting your arguing get in the way of what's right. Time to vote for the only leader I trust... myself.

Unvote: Gonzo

Vote: Bulldogs

[Brothgar]

People voting for Caddy, who do you guys want nominated?

I'm fairly sure that Gonzo is factioned so he would be my first choice. Although I wouldn't be 100% opposed to TH either

[Dr. Gonzo]

NOBODY IGNORES MY QUESTIONS!!!

You two are letting your arguing get in the way of what's right. Time to vote for the only leader I trust... myself.

Unvote: Gonzo

Vote: Bulldogs

The crazy thing is that after all this I don't even intend to nominate Caddy. I really do want to set this thing up to ensure no rotten guilds win. You know that by unvoting me you are assuring Caddy wins.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'm fairly sure that Gonzo is factioned so he would be my first choice. Although I wouldn't be 100% opposed to TH either

Who I am factioned with? What makes you say that?

I am guessing you still hold a grudge for saying I was suspicious of you.

[Caddy]

How do you feel about this Caddy? You say you'll listen to those who vote you, this is one so far.

I will listen to the townsfolk who elect me. If Atl is someone that people are concerned about, their concerns will not go unnoticed. I do not trust him at this point in time.

Framing. This is what republicans do. If you say I am being a child enough then it is true. You are not responding because you are going to say **** it, put me up, and then gloat about it later. You make stupid comments, I am going to call you out for them. That is not being a child.

I'm done with you. It's the same stuff every time. When your jimmies get rustled, you get overtly aggressive and are incapable of having a sensible conversation with someone.

People make your choice. Whether that be myself, or Gonzo, or a 3rd party (Shane, TH etc). Let us just get this done with and we can move on to more important issues.

[Bulldogs]

The crazy thing is that after all this I don't even intend to nominate Caddy. I really do want to set this thing up to ensure no rotten guilds win. You know that by unvoting me you are assuring Caddy wins.

I am assuring that there is at least one viable candidate. There is too much nonsense going on between the top two vote getters and I intend to move through it.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I am assuring that there is at least one viable candidate. There is too much nonsense going on between the top two vote getters and I intend to move through it.

Voting will close tomorrow morning. There is no chance you get the support.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I will listen to the townsfolk who elect me. If Atl is someone that people are concerned about, their concerns will not go unnoticed. I do not trust him at this point in time.



I'm done with you. It's the same stuff every time. When your jimmies get rustled, you get overtly aggressive and are incapable of having a sensible conversation with someone.

People make your choice. Whether that be myself, or Gonzo, or a 3rd party (Shane, TH etc). Let us just get this done with and we can move on to more important issues.

Incapable of having a conversation? What conversation? If you want to talk about something, I am all ears. I will listen, I will respond rationally. Caddy, you have told me I will be put to death and continue to duck questions.

[RufusMcDaniel]

Voting will close tomorrow morning. There is no chance you get the support.

There's still TIME!

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[Brothgar]

Who I am factioned with? What makes you say that?

I am guessing you still hold a grudge for saying I was suspicious of you.

Nah you always are suspicious of me. As far as who you are factioned with this is just a guess I have no powers to say for sure but this is my guess.

Gonzo, ATL, TH, Vidae, and Super Packer are factioned together.

This though started when you were so quick to question Cigaro day 2. The shear thought of questioning a nomination with zero information day one nominations are a crap shoot everyone knows that. Yet Gonzo Vidae and ATL were right there to really push for the nomination of cigaro. Everyone was right there to fall in line because hell it was day one essentially and the evidence was really stacking up. Then you create a false dichotomy having two members of the faction nominate themselves for Battle master. Once a significant set of voters were between the two false options one would back out for one reason of another announcing that their followers vote for the second party. With all of the other factions scared to take the position and uninformed townies like myself having no chance to garner support you guys would have control over the BM position. You guys realized that it would be best for you to have a different faction member be BM in the case that one of you would die you would maximize you potential to be the battle master. Which is where you slipped up.

At least this is my theory.

[Brothgar]

Oh I forgot that you guys were acting way too buddy buddy to be suspicious of each other.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Nah you always are suspicious of me. As far as who you are factioned with this is just a guess I have no powers to say for sure but this is my guess.

Gonzo, ATL, TH, Vidae, and Super Packer are factioned together.

This though started when you were so quick to question Cigaro day 2. The shear thought of questioning a nomination with zero information day one nominations are a crap shoot everyone knows that. Yet Gonzo Vidae and ATL were right there to really push for the nomination of cigaro. Everyone was right there to fall in line because hell it was day one essentially and the evidence was really stacking up. Then you create a false dichotomy having two members of the faction nominate themselves for Battle master. Once a significant set of voters were between the two false options one would back out for one reason of another announcing that their followers vote for the second party. With all of the other factions scared to take the position and uninformed townies like myself having no chance to garner support you guys would have control over the BM position. You guys realized that it would be best for you to have a different faction member be BM in the case that one of you would die you would maximize you potential to be the battle master. Which is where you slipped up.

At least this is my theory.

Honestly, not a bad theory. It is wrong though. That would mean as a faction we were being kind of open about it and I doubt Vidae switches his vote to Caddy an hour ago if we are in a guild together.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Since there will likely not be many more votes and Caddy continues to duck I implore you all to vote for me over him. He has been shady all game and if you do not like who I nominate send my ass to face that person. I will provide solid reasoning for everything I do and I give you all my word, I am not a member of any guild.

[jrdrylie]

Vote Caddy

[Dr. Gonzo]

Vote Caddy

Any reason for that or do you just plan on voting with the crowd and laying low?

[jrdrylie]

Any reason for that or do you just plan on voting with the crowd and laying low?

Well, as I've already said, I don't trust you. Shane seems to have lost his damn mind, so Caddy is the one I trust most of all the people who have put their name in the hat.

[Brothgar]

Honestly, not a bad theory. It is wrong though. That would mean as a faction we were being kind of open about it and I doubt Vidae switches his vote to Caddy an hour ago if we are in a guild together.

Not necessarily the whole notion of a false dichotomy would be to hide the fact that you are factioned. As for vidae I could be wrong about vidae. Vidae is one of the best players in this game because he is one the hardest to read. I've been wrong on him several times. Oddly enough because he would attach himself to evil ******* like in the Wire game.

[BeerBaron]

Well, as I've already said, I don't trust you. Shane seems to have lost his damn mind, so Caddy is the one I trust most of all the people who have put their name in the hat.

http://i.imgur.com/LTgH8.jpg

And I can't even take credit! Alas...it is a bitter mercy, but a mercy nonetheless. Better to be seen as mad than hopelessly despondent.

[Brothgar]

Not necessarily the whole notion of a false dichotomy would be to hide the fact that you are factioned. As for vidae I could be wrong about vidae. Vidae is one of the best players in this game because he is one the hardest to read. I've been wrong on him several times. Oddly enough because he would attach himself to evil ******* like in the Wire game.

If Vidae is with you though it is rats fleeing a sinking ship.

[Caddy]

Vidae is actually someone who in this game I trust - and there isn't that many at this point. I don't really see anything in his posts that would lead me to believe otherwise.

[vidae]

I love you guys. :)

[Caddy]

So I've re-read the thread and my thoughts towards Gonzo have unsurprisingly not changed. I strongly recommend not voting him, regardless of whether you vote for me instead, someone else or abstain. I do have a few other suspicions towards a certain few of the players who have posted a lot, but I'm very concerned with the 6-8 people who have barely posted at all. I hate when people just try and sneak by in the shadows, and in a game like this, that kind of person will just skate by why the vocal minority kill each other.

[Caddy]

Update vote count

Gonzo (3): Gonzo, UKfan, CJ
JBond (1): JBond,
Caddy (9): Caddy, Rufus, sbh, r4l, Broth, vidae, TH, jrdrylie, Elvis
Bulldogs (1): Bulldogs

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'm about to head out, but I just wanted to kindly check in and say, **** all of you. I, going on very little, without any help of the people, pick out two guild members for you gentlemen in Shane and DUnit, and I'm not to be trusted because in his GallopingGhost esque tirade Shane says I poisoned him? Collectively shove your eyes into pitchforks. Happy Father's Day!

[FlyingElvis]

I will also like everyone to remember I don't have anybody campaigning for me and we are playing a game with multiple evil guilds who know who each other are. Nobody has yet to give a reason as to why they trust Caddy or why they think he will make a good BM. Am I taking crazy pills?

Neither does Caddy. Honestly, it's nearly impossible to support you. Yet again, everybody in the game is clearly evil for not recognizing your awesomeness.

Unvote: Gonzo

Vote: Caddy

[ImBrotherCain]

Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (3): Gonzo, UKfan, CJ
JBond (1): JBond
Caddy (8): Caddy, Rufus, sbh, vidae, broth, TH, JR, Elvis
Bulldogs (1): Bulldogs,

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

The Battle Master Elections are scheduled to end at 12PM EST. You have 2 1/2 hours left.

[Caddy]

What are peoples thoughts on the likes of cashmoneydrew and ncst8? (I didn't include Rob because he said he'd be working a lot, but that doesn't clear him by any means)

[Caddy]

Also while I'm on the topic of suspicious people, I really dislike the way Bulldogs is playing this game. I can't quite put my finger on it, but his vote for Gonzo immediately after Gonzo said he was suspicious of him is a bit odd.

[Dr. Gonzo]

What are peoples thoughts on the likes of cashmoneydrew and ncst8? (I didn't include Rob because he said he'd be working a lot, but that doesn't clear him by any means)

Sending an inactive seems like a good move. I hate people who skate by as well. Unlike you Caddy, I am not unreasonable. Lets get this over with.

Unvote: Gonzo

Vote: Caddy

[Caddy]

Sending an inactive seems like a good move. I hate people who skate by as well. Unlike you Caddy, I am not unreasonable. Lets get this over with.

Unvote: Gonzo

Vote: Caddy

I think inactives might be the one thing we are usually on the same page about.

[ImBrotherCain]

Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (2): UKfan, CJ
JBond (1): JBond
Caddy (10): Caddy, Rufus, sbh, vidae, broth, TH, JR, Elvis, Gonzo, R4L
Bulldogs (1): Bulldogs,

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

The Battle Master Elections are scheduled to end at 12PM EST. You have roughly 2 hours left.

[Caddy]

You are missing raiderz vote

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think inactives might be the one thing we are usually on the same page about.

Seriously, **** those guys. What is the point of playing if you won't or will barely post?

[Caddy]

Seriously, **** those guys. What is the point of playing if you won't or will barely post?

Yep. I'm fine with it happening to people on odd occasions when something comes up, but the same people choose to play game after game and barely post every time. CMD in particular has ONE post but hasn't been kicked out 4 days into the game.

[SuperPacker]

Wait...I'm factioned with ATL, Vidae, Gonzo and TH? :confused:

Anyway, it seems inevitable that Caddy will become BM, so...

VOTE: Caddy

[FlyingElvis]

I hate voting for inactives but also hate them for being inactive.

[ImBrotherCain]

Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (2): UKfan, CJ
JBond (1): JBond
Caddy (11): Caddy, Rufus, sbh, vidae, broth, TH, JR, Elvis, Gonzo, R4L, SP
Bulldogs (1): Bulldogs,

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

The Battle Master Elections are scheduled to end at 12PM EST. You have roughly 2 hours left.

[UKfan]

Meh, if Gonzo is once again ceding his interest in being BM, I guess I should move on too.

Unvote: Gonzo
Vote: Caddy

[ImBrotherCain]

Final Vote Tally for Battle Master Elections:

Gonzo (2): CJ
JBond (1): JBond
Caddy (12): Caddy, Rufus, sbh, vidae, broth, TH, JR, Elvis, Gonzo, R4L, SP, UKfan
Bulldogs (1): Bulldogs,

With 23 alive, 12 are needed for majority.

[ImBrotherCain]

Trumpets blared as the voting closed for the day. The arena announcer, carrying a freshly cleaned Battlemaster crown, headed to the center to declare the winner.

"I hereby award the Crown of the Battlemasters to the man chosen by the popular vote:"

http://i.imgur.com/7HOB8.jpg
Caddywampus

The combatants headed to their quarters to rest on Night 4 before the next day's battle.

Continue to send your night actions into Both myself and BeerBaron!

[BeerBaron]

The fighters gathered on the fifth morning, but found themselves one fewer in number...

The arena guards searched for the missing member and found Dr. Gonzo face down in the arena sewers he called home. The little beggar had apparently succumbed to some type of poison. While he was unarmed and wore only the tattered clothes of a beggar, a trunk near his cot was stuffed to the brim with Ebony armor and weapons...it's a good thing he never got to use those...

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/ImBrotherCain/Elder%20Scrolls%20Mafia/23-Gaenorbefore.jpghttp://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/ImBrotherCain/Elder%20Scrolls%20Mafia/24-GaenorEbony.jpg
Dr. Gonzo - Gaenor - Battle Lyncher - Has been Killed
He chose one person with the intent on beating that person in the arena. He would have won if he defeated that person.


No one really mourned the beggar as they awaited the next day's events.

Caddy, making his first pick as Battlemaster, gave his selection to the arena announcer:

http://i.imgur.com/nKcLw.jpg

Battlemaster's Pick: CashMoneyDrew

Who would the town choose as his opponent?

Day 4 has begun! With 22 remaining, 12 are needed for majority.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Hello everyone.

I am done with my crazy Woot type of posting. I won my battle and am coming to you for real.


ATL poisoned me earlier

One of his lackeys attempted to drink my blood last night as well.

Sounds like a specific guild from the game? Sounds a little Dark Brotherhood esque to me. I urge you to put ATL in the arena, let us see if what I have said is true. I can guarantee you I am correct in his affiliation and there are more like him protecting him.

If he does not go/die today, I hope Caddy will put him in the arena tomorrow to test it out.

Vote: ATLDirtyBirds

[ncst8fan83]

Sorry guys. Work has been crazy and I have no ******* clue what is going on in this game. Leaving work in an hour.

Vote: ATL

[CJSchneider]

Shane, any way of know who ATL sent?

[Shane P. Hallam]

Shane, any way of know who ATL sent?

Nope. I only get to discover who targeted me once, I used it on the poison and got ATL. I don't know who targeted me last night, but I do know they tried to drink my blood to weaken me.

[BeerBaron]

Updated Vote Count:

ATL (2) - Shane, ncst8

With 22 remaining, 12 are needed for majority.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Shane's still mad I outed him. It's alright bro, I saw through you. You're in a guild. If the town's smart, they'll keep sending you in.


vote: Shane

[CJSchneider]

Vote: ATL

Well, they obviously went after Gonzo also. Wonder if it was a difference in poisons or the performance formula that kept you alive.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Shane's still mad I outed him. It's alright bro, I saw through you. You're in a guild. If the town's smart, they'll keep sending you in.


vote: Shane


Look, if people want to send me in they can, but at this point, they will find out I am correct in my findings at some point. The Dark Brotherhood has to be in this game. I've been targeted twice by abilities that would relate to that group, and one of those times I directly found out it was you. People can kill me now, or hopefully kill you now/very soon and realize the Dark Brotherhood is out there and probably the most powerful of the guilds.

The Mages are getting hurt right now, pretty badly. I hope they will join me in trying to bring down the Dark Brotherhood, along with any other guilds out there (Thieves? Companions?) who won't let this type of dark magic bring them down.

Let's not forget, these people have been poisoning and drinking blood of others on other nights, weakening you. They are much more dangerous than me who can merely defend myself.

[Caddy]

Go back and re-read Shane's comments yesterday. If anyone trusts anything he says at this point, they are naive.

vote Shane

At this point I don't see how he isn't aligned with one of the factions. And if he either isn't the town's choice for the arena today, or survives if he is, I would probably make him my choice.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Vote: ATL

Well, they obviously went after Gonzo also. Wonder if it was a difference in poisons or the performance formula that kept you alive.

I was very surprised I stayed alive. That's why I acted so crazy, I figured I was dead meat and wanted to have some fun. Now, I see how many night actions this Dark Brotherhood has. I believe it is time to take them down.

[Bulldogs]

Bah, Gonzo would have made a great BM. Either way, CMD is not a bad selection at this point. I'm going with my gut here.

Vote: TH

[Shane P. Hallam]

Go back and re-read Shane's comments yesterday. If anyone trusts anything he says at this point, they are naive.

vote Shane

At this point I don't see how he isn't aligned with one of the factions. And if he either isn't the town's choice for the arena today, or survives if he is, I would probably make him my choice.


It's fine, I think this vote will be very crucial for the rest of this game. I think if the Dark Brotherhood lasts, we all are in trouble.

I am quite sure the Dark Brotherhood won't vote for one of their own early on. It will be VERY interesting to see how this vote turns out.

[Caddy]

It's fine, I think this vote will be very crucial for the rest of this game. I think if the Dark Brotherhood lasts, we all are in trouble.

I am quite sure the Dark Brotherhood won't vote for one of their own early on. It will be VERY interesting to see how this vote turns out.

Your actions yesterday were horrendous and if people actually trust you, then I have vastly over-estimated the capabilities and logic of a lot of people.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I don't speak Skyrim, so I can't comment who is or who isn't in this game. What I can say definitively:


1. I'm not guilded
2. I have never targeted you

Sorry to be Gonzo-ish here, but I'm not surprised people are buying your ********, because you're you. Just listen to how ******* ridiculous this sounds:

As battlemaster, I sent two guilded members into the arena. The worst possible move a guilded BM could make. I also decided to target the most watched person in the game (with coincidentally no effects to show for it...) and not only did I do that, but I targeted him AGAIN (with no effects to show for it...again), when I knew I'd be the most likely to be called out on it.

[CJSchneider]

It's fine, I think this vote will be very crucial for the rest of this game. I think if the Dark Brotherhood lasts, we all are in trouble.

I am quite sure the Dark Brotherhood won't vote for one of their own early on. It will be VERY interesting to see how this vote turns out.

Using this logic as well as the current vote, what is your opinion on the where Caddy and BD sit?

[Shane P. Hallam]

Your actions yesterday were horrendous and if people actually trust you, then I have vastly over-estimated the capabilities and logic of a lot of people.

I understand you have to play the game and protect your brethren. When ATL is killed, whenever it is in this game, people will realize I was correct. They will also realize to go back to this vote and see who was for/against him.

Second, Gonzo's death was by poison. Funny how I mentioned that yesterday and predicted poison in the arsenal of someone.

You can kill me now or kill me later, I just suggest killing ATL sooner rather than later to not give the Dark Brotherhood the upper-hand

[Shane P. Hallam]

Using this logic as well as the current vote, what is your opinion on the where Caddy and BD sit?

I'm not 100% sure. Caddy seems to be going after me pretty hard. I think it obviously is the plan of the Brotherhood to get me killed and get this info out of there. I think he could be in it.

BD, I have to go back and read. I want to see him comment on the current situation and see where he stands.

[Caddy]

I understand you have to play the game and protect your brethren. When ATL is killed, whenever it is in this game, people will realize I was correct. They will also realize to go back to this vote and see who was for/against him.

Second, Gonzo's death was by poison. Funny how I mentioned that yesterday and predicted poison in the arsenal of someone.

You can kill me now or kill me later, I just suggest killing ATL sooner rather than later to not give the Dark Brotherhood the upper-hand

At this point I'm much more concerned with your play, than I am with Atl's. I am not affiliated with anyone in this game, I am just looking to send in the person whom I deem the most likely to be guild aligned, and at this point I think that person is you.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Kind of funny how Shane brings up poison the other day (nothing happened to him), but now Gonzo dies via poison, and it's automatically me just because crazy ass Shane said I poisoned him. There's definitely a link between someone and poison...

[BeerBaron]

Updated Vote Count:

ATL (3) - Shane, ncst8, CJ
Shane (2) - ATL, Caddy
TH (1) - Bulldogs

With 22 remaining, 12 are needed for majority.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Kind of funny how Shane brings up poison the other day (nothing happened to him), but now Gonzo dies via poison, and it's automatically me just because crazy ass Shane said I poisoned him. There's definitely a link between someone and poison...

If I'm killed, which seems to be your dream scenario, then everyone will realize I had no part in Gonzo's death and no access to poison via my role. That should hopefully turn the tides back to you (moreso, your guild being the Dark Brotherhood,) as a clear suspect.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

If I'm killed, which seems to be your dream scenario, then everyone will realize I had no part in Gonzo's death and no access to poison via my role. That should hopefully turn the tides back to you (moreso, your guild being the Dark Brotherhood,) as a clear suspect.


It's my dream scenario because you're in a guild. And in regards to the poison, with the way you responded, perhaps it's something your guild came up with and you were the front man (aka one of the weaker guild members). Way to be a team player Shane.

[SuperPacker]

Batshit crazy yesterday, serious and determined today. I don't understand Shane!

You could well be telling the truth, but I can't trust you, so...

VOTE: Shane

[TitanHope]

Wait, JBond, so your character resists poison and knows what happens to him during the night?

[Caddy]

If I'm killed, which seems to be your dream scenario, then everyone will realize I had no part in Gonzo's death and no access to poison via my role. That should hopefully turn the tides back to you (moreso, your guild being the Dark Brotherhood,) as a clear suspect.

If you die in the arena and you aren't affiliated with any of the guild, I'll happily explore those opportunities. At this point I don't think that will happen. I am fairly confident you belong to one of the remaining factions (which one I don't know) and you are just scrambling to get someone else into the arena.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Wait, JBond, so your character resists poison and knows what happens to him during the night?

Didn't say I resisted poison. I get to know what is targeted at me at night, yes.

[BeerBaron]

Updated Vote Count:

ATL (3) - Shane, ncst8, CJ
Shane (3) - ATL, Caddy, SP
TH (1) - Bulldogs

With 22 remaining, 12 are needed for majority.

[Caddy]

Didn't say I resisted poison. I get to know what is targeted at me at night, yes.

If he did poison you, why aren't you dead, but Gonzo is?

[Caddy]

Yes, I do. You did to nominate me! I cannot be poisoned, so don't try!

By the way, here is the post where you said you can 'resist' poison.

[Bulldogs]

Alright so at this point it's obvious to me that both TH and Shane are guild members. Somebody tell me I'm not crazy and they know that TH is bad! I have no problem going elsewhere for now though.

[Shane P. Hallam]

If you die in the arena and you aren't affiliated with any of the guild, I'll happily explore those opportunities. At this point I don't think that will happen. I am fairly confident you belong to one of the remaining factions (which one I don't know) and you are just scrambling to get someone else into the arena.

I'm not scrambling at all. Just telling everyone what I know. They can make their choices.

But at this point I see it as this:

1. The Mages guild needs an ally as they are hurting pretty hardcore. I am willing to help be that ally as I firmly believe the Dark Brotherhood is the biggest and most dangerous threat.

2. It is obvious the Dark Brotherhood did the night killing. Shouldn't that be a firm focus of ours as well to stop?

3. At this point, if the guilds & townies who aren't in the Dark Brotherhood focus on ATL, I believe we can eliminate most of them

[Caddy]

Alright so at this point it's obvious to me that both TH and Shane are guild members. Somebody tell me I'm not crazy and they know that TH is bad! I have no problem going elsewhere for now though.

Shane is the obvious choice at this moment. I'm interested in hearing more from TH though as soon as we've dealt with the current situation.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

So you're in a guild Shane?

[Shane P. Hallam]

By the way, here is the post where you said you can 'resist' poison.

That was just me trolling ATL, as was most of yesterday. I don't know if I resisted it or not, but I am still alive and kicking. It is understandable why ATL and the DB are trying to get me killed in the arena seeing as I didn't fall like Gonzo.

[TitanHope]

Didn't say I resisted poison. I get to know what is targeted at me at night, yes.

Lol, I know who you are. Or should I say what you are.

Vote: JBond

[Caddy]

I'm not scrambling at all. Just telling everyone what I know. They can make their choices.

But at this point I see it as this:

1. The Mages guild needs an ally as they are hurting pretty hardcore. I am willing to help be that ally as I firmly believe the Dark Brotherhood is the biggest and most dangerous threat.

2. It is obvious the Dark Brotherhood did the night killing. Shouldn't that be a firm focus of ours as well to stop?

3. At this point, if the guilds & townies who aren't in the Dark Brotherhood focus on ATL, I believe we can eliminate most of them

1. You are so set on the Brotherhood, but why no mention of the Thieves guild? They are easily just as important in the Tamriel Universe as the Brotherhood. Killing isn't their style, but I have no doubt they are a force to be reckoned with.

2. Yes, yes it should be.

3. This idea of the guilds working with the town is stupid. Trusting killers, thieves and mages won't end well.

[Shane P. Hallam]

So you're in a guild Shane?

I think we need to stop playing by acting like the majority AREN'T in guilds. Almost all of us are in guilds, and with Gonzo/Grizz dead, I'd bet on 80-90% of everyone left being "in a guild"

All I am asking is that the non Dark Brotherhood guilds band together and take these guys down.

If both you and Caddy are in the DB, you two are trying to control the vote and get the majority very quickly for your side. I believe it is time to take the "evil" guild down.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Lol, I know who you are. Or should I say what you are.

Vote: JBond

Then, no offense, I believe you are talking out your behind.

[Caddy]

I think we need to stop playing by acting like the majority AREN'T in guilds. Almost all of us are in guilds, and with Gonzo/Grizz dead, I'd bet on 80-90% of everyone left being "in a guild"

All I am asking is that the non Dark Brotherhood guilds band together and take these guys down.

If both you and Caddy are in the DB, you two are trying to control the vote and get the majority very quickly for your side. I believe it is time to take the "evil" guild down.

If people don't vote for Shane after this comment, I give up. He has finally admitted to being in a guild and the people who don't vote for him at this point, are probably his accomplices.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I think we need to stop playing by acting like the majority AREN'T in guilds. Almost all of us are in guilds, and with Gonzo/Grizz dead, I'd bet on 80-90% of everyone left being "in a guild"

All I am asking is that the non Dark Brotherhood guilds band together and take these guys down.

If both you and Caddy are in the DB, you two are trying to control the vote and get the majority very quickly for your side. I believe it is time to take the "evil" guild down.



Good night sweet prince.

[Shane P. Hallam]

If people don't vote for Shane after this comment, I give up. He has finally admitted to being in a guild and the people who don't vote for him at this point, are probably his accomplices.

And vice versa. Those fervent on not voting for ATL are probably his accomplices.

You can send me to the battlefield, and I will gladly take my death.

That being said, I hope that all of you will come back to this. That all of you will investigate ATL, and once you realize he is in the Brotherhood, that this vote will be roadmap on how to eliminate them.

At this point, my goal is not to win or survive, but to ensure the Brotherhood who has targeted me for death does not.

[Shane P. Hallam]

It is pretty funny.

I have 4 votes against me:

ATL
Caddy
SP
TH

I hope those 4 don't sway your vote as it is very possible they are all working together, trying to establish a majority and sway you with fear.

We can easily turn against them and pick THEM off, show that we aren't afraid of the fight.

[Caddy]

And vice versa. Those fervent on not voting for ATL are probably his accomplices.

You can send me to the battlefield, and I will gladly take my death.

That being said, I hope that all of you will come back to this. That all of you will investigate ATL, and once you realize he is in the Brotherhood, that this vote will be roadmap on how to eliminate them.

At this point, my goal is not to win or survive, but to ensure the Brotherhood who has targeted me for death does not.

Why bother playing if you have no intention of following your own win condition?

At this point I think it's most likely that Shane is one of the remaining Mages. Drumming up support from other townspeople sounds to me like something a guild who is losing power would do.

[Caddy]

It is pretty funny.

I have 4 votes against me:

ATL
Caddy
SP
TH

I hope those 4 don't sway your vote as it is very possible they are all working together, trying to establish a majority and sway you with fear.

We can easily turn against them and pick THEM off, show that we aren't afraid of the fight.

Yep, if we were a faction working together we would DEFINITELY pile on the first four votes when there are still 20+ people remaining. That makes complete sense. :njx:

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Strong DUnit logic in this thread once again.


Anyone voting for a known guild member is clearly evil!

[SuperPacker]

Shane is struggling here! Put him out his misery.

Seriously, if Shane is not put into the arena, I don't know what else he has to do. The only reason he is still around is because it's Shane and because all his guild buddies are voting to save him.

ncst is obviously evil with him. Probably explaining why he's been laying so low.

[Caddy]

Shane is struggling here! Put him out his misery.

Seriously, if Shane is not put into the arena, I don't know what else he has to do. The only reason he is still around is because it's Shane and because all his guild buddies are voting to save him.

ncst is obviously evil with him. Probably explaining why he's been laying so low.

lolwut. SP logic at its finest. I don't trust ncst8 at all, but this is a substantial claim.

[vidae]

Shane is struggling here! Put him out his misery.

Seriously, if Shane is not put into the arena, I don't know what else he has to do. The only reason he is still around is because it's Shane and because all his guild buddies are voting to save him.

ncst is obviously evil with him. Probably explaining why he's been laying so low.

You had me until this post. You're superpackering now.

[SuperPacker]

You had me until this post. You're superpackering now.

I'm proud of myself for even having you in the first place.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Yep, if we were a faction working together we would DEFINITELY pile on the first four votes when there are still 20+ people remaining. That makes complete sense. :njx:

It has worked thus far. And now with 3 of you posting in a row attacking me, you are trying to get it to work again. I understand how this logic can work.

And SP is one of the four, so I'm sure he wouldn't be thinking this way.

[vidae]

I gotta be honest here, I think you're all full of ****.

[Brothgar]

Shane must be the leader of a faction. Otherwise he would be dead as I assume that faction leaders are immune to night attacks as they were in the Gladiator game. Not only is he a leader of a faction he is also the leader of a faction that hasn't been hurt yet. Otherwise he wouldn't have made a call to the magic guild.

[Caddy]

Shane must be the leader of a faction. Otherwise he would be dead as I assume that faction leaders are immune to night attacks as they were in the Gladiator game. Not only is he a leader of a faction he is also the leader of a faction that hasn't been hurt yet. Otherwise he wouldn't have made a call to the magic guild.

Thieves guild anyone?

[SuperPacker]

It has worked thus far. And now with 3 of you posting in a row attacking me, you are trying to get it to work again. I understand how this logic can work.

And SP is one of the four, so I'm sure he wouldn't be thinking this way.

HEY! It's 4am and i'm tired, you don't have to be mean!

I have no connection to any of those, or anyone else for that matter. Just because i'm not blind enough to see through your lies, doesn't mean i'm evil.

EDIT: You're not even lying. You just admitted you're guilded or whatever and we're still not sending you in....

[Shane P. Hallam]

I gotta be honest here, I think you're all full of ****.

You know me better than that vidae. If I was full of ****, I'd claim a townie role cop or something and drop tons of "knowledge" on everyone that I could back away from if I needed to.

I have nothing to back away from:

1. ATL is in the dark Brotherhood

2. He and his guild members have targeted me consistently (thus why they tried to put me up vote, they had weakened me).

3. I'm dead either way, I don't gain anything from lying other than giving up an important guild that I am against

That's it, and I will guarantee it. Use the info how you want to.

[Shane P. Hallam]

HEY! It's 4am and i'm tired, you don't have to be mean!

I have no connection to any of those, or anyone else for that matter. Just because i'm not blind enough to see through your lies, doesn't mean i'm evil.

EDIT: You're not even lying. You just admitted you're guilded or whatever and we're still not sending you in....

Exactly, I'm not lying. Others today are lying massively.

A saying comes to mind:

"The devil you know beats the devil you don't"

[Caddy]

Jbond is in a guild. He does not have the town's best interest at heart. End of story.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Jbond is in a guild. He does not have the town's best interest at heart. End of story.

There are 1 to 3 town members left AT BEST. No one has the town's interest at heart here. It is time to stop acting like we all do when it is clear almost none of us do.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

SP, reveal yourself!

[Shane P. Hallam]

Count the members of your guild

Multiply that by 4

Subtract the two dead mages

What do you get? That should tell you all you need to know about the "town"

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Sorry Shane, we're not all in guilds like you, so there's nothing for us to count.

[Caddy]

There are 1 to 3 town members left AT BEST. No one has the town's interest at heart here. It is time to stop acting like we all do when it is clear almost none of us do.

Don't know where you got this BS from.

If there are 3 guilds as I think there are, they probably have 4-5 members each which would be about 12-15 people. That leaves the remaining 11-14 as the 'town' and uninformed majority. I'm very confident there are much more than just '1 to 3' townies left. I'm one of them.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Don't know where you got this BS from.

If there are 3 guilds as I think there are, they probably have 4-5 members each which would be about 12-15 people. That leaves the remaining 11-14 as the 'town' and uninformed majority. I'm very confident there are much more than just '1 to 3' townies left. I'm one of them.

There are 4 guilds, that is fairly obvious.

[Caddy]

There are 4 guilds, that is fairly obvious.

How do you know it's obvious? I don't see how it would work.

[Brothgar]

Oops forgot

Vote Shane

Doesn't mean that ATL isn't in a guild just means right now Shane getting killed is a good thing. Also if Shane is who he says he is and has that ability then Caddy's decision should be easy tomorrow.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Sorry Shane, we're not all in guilds like you, so there's nothing for us to count.

You and Caddy just keep hammering home "we're not in a guild!" "not in a guild!"

Overcompensation. I have my proof ATL is in the DB. Take it or leave it.

[Shane P. Hallam]

How do you know it's obvious? I don't see how it would work.

Because the Companions aren't getting left out.

Maybe the uninformed majority isn't a majority at all, but a very small uninformed minority.

[Caddy]

You and Caddy just keep hammering home "we're not in a guild!" "not in a guild!"

Overcompensation. I have my proof ATL is in the DB. Take it or leave it.

We know you're in a guild. You've admitted it. I'm done trying to hammer it home. Shane is the obvious choice people.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Oops forgot

Vote Shane

Doesn't mean that ATL isn't in a guild just means right now Shane getting killed is a good thing. Also if Shane is who he says he is and has that ability then Caddy's decision should be easy tomorrow.

If he doesn't nominate ATL, I think it will be pretty clear what side he is on as well.

Just don't vote ATL/Caddy/TH/SP the next Battlemaster, all I am saying. It will become clear pretty fast.

[vidae]

Fighter, Dark Brotherhood, Mage, Thief. That seems fairly obvious at this point.

vote : ATL

I believe Shane more than ATL at this point. I honestly don't trust either of you, but I trust one of you less.

[Caddy]

Because the Companions aren't getting left out.

Maybe the uninformed majority isn't a majority at all, but a very small uninformed minority.

The Companions could easily be left out. They are only in one Elder Scrolls game and the Fighters Guild from Oblivion is way cooler and thus more likely to be included.

[Shane P. Hallam]

We know you're in a guild. You've admitted it. I'm done trying to hammer it home. Shane is the obvious choice people.

I am.

That being said, if the Mages and Companions and Thieves vote for me over the Dark Brotherhood, they are signing their own death warrant in this game. THAT is the bigger issue here and what you all need to think about before deciding on this.

[RufusMcDaniel]

I wanted ATL nominated because, while I do believe Shane is crazy, I also echo the same thought he has in that ATL is in a faction and there is some truth to what Shane is speaking.

Vote: ATL

[Shane P. Hallam]

The Companions could easily be left out. They are only in one Elder Scrolls game and the Fighters Guild from Oblivion is way cooler and thus more likely to be included.

I didn't play Oblivion *shrug* Either way, too many guilds to only have 3.

[SuperPacker]

Other than Shane's ramblings, do we actually have any proof that anyone is a 'Dark Brotherhood'?

It'd be better to kill Shane when we KNOW he is evil, than to hope he is telling the truth and to maybe kill a good.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Other than Shane's ramblings, do we actually have any proof that anyone is a 'Dark Brotherhood'?

It'd be better to kill Shane when we KNOW he is evil, than to hope he is telling the truth and to maybe kill a good.

They would be the only group to use poison.

[Caddy]

I can't believe people don't see this...

[TitanHope]

Then, no offense, I believe you are talking out your behind.

You resist poison. You know what goes on during the night. And you're talking about drinking blood.

You're a vampire, dude. I think you're in the Dark Brotherhood, that it's you who drinks blood, and this is all a ploy to add more faction votes to your side while separating yourself from your clan. Obviously people will go after the Dark Brotherhood, so it protects you and your comrades while you falsely accuse others.

Either way, your campaigning to become friends with the remaining Mages Guild players doesn't sit well with me. An alliance between two Guilds must never take place, and if the Dark Brotherhood adds the Mages, then that's disastrous for the town, Fighters, and Thieves. Plus, you threw sand in D-Unit's eyes, which isn't an honorable act by a warrior. D-Unit did the same thing, and until we find out a good character does it, then I'm going to assume it's a reflection on a player's character.

[SuperPacker]

They would be the only group to use poison.

What's your point?

I'm not denying that people that can kill are the priority, but I don't trust you, so i'm not going to just start believing you now...

[Todd Bertuzzi]

I'm hung up on something here....

Only mages have died so far so Shane has to be part of another guild by his own admission. Shane wants us to take a shot at one of ATL/caddy/SP/etc because their guild has the apparent upper hand but his guild sits in the exact same position by my quick math. This means right now we as a town have to decide which apparent guild we want to cripple first. I don't necessarily trust any of Caddy/ATL/SP/etc... but I also don't have concrete evidence(such as their own admission) to suggest they belong to a guild and aren't simply townies so based on that reasoning.....

Vote: Shane

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Are you guys ******* kidding me?

[vidae]

Ermmmm, what TH sort of made sense. Now I'm torn. Hrmmmm.

[vidae]

ATL and Caddy, you gotta stop acting like that. Shane is right, most everyone but one or two of us are in a guild. Stop acting like just the very suggestion is an insult to you. It's getting old fast.

unvote : ATL

I need to think more on this.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Fighter, Dark Brotherhood, Mage, Thief. That seems fairly obvious at this point.

vote : ATL

I believe Shane more than ATL at this point. I honestly don't trust either of you, but I trust one of you less.

I wanted ATL nominated because, while I do believe Shane is crazy, I also echo the same thought he has in that ATL is in a faction and there is some truth to what Shane is speaking.

Vote: ATL



He admitted to being in a ******* guild...

[Shane P. Hallam]

What's your point?

I'm not denying that people that can kill are the priority, but I don't trust you, so i'm not going to just start believing you now...

My point was there is more evidence the DB exist other than my word.

[RufusMcDaniel]

I'm hung up on something here....

Only mages have died so far so Shane has to be part of another guild by his own admission. Shane wants us to take a shot at one of ATL/caddy/SP/etc because their guild has the apparent upper hand but his guild sits in the exact same position by my quick math. This means right now we as a town have to decide which apparent guild we want to cripple first. I don't necessarily trust any of Caddy/ATL/SP/etc... but I also don't have concrete evidence(such as their own admission) to suggest they belong to a guild and aren't simply townies so based on that reasoning.....



Yeah good point, I wonder if CMD is in Shane's faction to avoid going head to head.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The insult is people voting me over someone who I outed as a guild member, and then he confirmed that fact.

[BeerBaron]

Updated Vote Count:

ATL (4) - Shane, ncst8, CJ, Rufus
Shane (5) - ATL, Caddy, SP, TH, Todd
TH (1) - Bulldogs

With 22 remaining, 12 are needed for majority.

[Shane P. Hallam]

If I was Dark Brotherhood myself, saying someone else is would be KILLER to my cause, would it not?

There is still a shot I die before ATL. If he wins this vote even, he may win the battle and live on. If I die first and am revealed as DB, it basically clears him and cripples the Dark Brotherhood in the process.


I'm not DB, ATL is, Caddy is, and wouldn't surprise me if others posting here are.

[vidae]

He admitted to being in a ******* guild...

The insult is people voting me over someone who I outed as a guild member, and then he confirmed that fact.

Again, so what? He's right about the numbers game. Most of the people left are in a guild, that is fact. The fact that you keep pushing this is just confirming that you are also in one.

It's so clear as day. Methinks thou dost protest too much, etc.

The bottom line is which guild we'd rather hurt more right now, yours or his.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I'm hung up on something here....

Only mages have died so far so Shane has to be part of another guild by his own admission. Shane wants us to take a shot at one of ATL/caddy/SP/etc because their guild has the apparent upper hand but his guild sits in the exact same position by my quick math. This means right now we as a town have to decide which apparent guild we want to cripple first. I don't necessarily trust any of Caddy/ATL/SP/etc... but I also don't have concrete evidence(such as their own admission) to suggest they belong to a guild and aren't simply townies so based on that reasoning.....

Vote: Shane


I'll say this, I am marked for death. I am weakened by my last battle (which I barely won,) and am not a strong fighter (D's first fight he was a 410. Look at my first fight #).

I'm dying soon either way. If you let the DB skate through, they have had 2 Battlemasters in a row and have night killing powers. Which faction do you want to have the advantage for one more night?

[SuperPacker]

My point was there is more evidence the DB exist other than my word.

Yes, they exist. That doesn't mean I have to trust you when you say who is in it.

[Brothgar]

Again, so what? He's right about the numbers game. Most of the people left are in a guild, that is fact. The fact that you keep pushing this is just confirming that you are also in one.

It's so clear as day. Methinks thou dost protest too much, etc.

The bottom line is which guild we'd rather hurt more right now, yours or his.

My guess is it really depends on what faction Caddy is a part of. If Caddy is indeed with ATL send him today and caddy will send Shane Tomorrow. If not then we can send Shane today ensure his death and Caddy can send ATL tomorrow if Shane's story checks out.

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Hmm that's also a good point... ATL is probably the person I trust least after Shane atm as well. I'll unvote for now and see how this unfolds.

Unvote: Shane

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Of course we could send Shane to his death today and pit Caddy against ATL tomorrow...

[BeerBaron]

Updated Vote Count:

ATL (4) - Shane, ncst8, CJ, Rufus
Shane (4) - ATL, Caddy, SP, TH
TH (1) - Bulldogs

With 22 remaining, 12 are needed for majority.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Hmm that's also a good point... ATL is probably the person I trust least after Shane atm as well. I'll unvote for now and see how this unfolds.

Unvote: Shane

How about this:


We send ATL today, see what happens.


No matter what, Caddy will submit me for Arena tomorrow, yes? If ATL wins, we send him in again against me. Either way, a guild who isn't your own loses a member, and the other is SEVERELY weakened.


If ATL dies (and if he is DB,) in battle, Caddy will submit me and with that proof, set me up against him. He'll probably win, but at least you weaken him to not let the DB have control.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Of course we could send Shane to his death today and pit Caddy against ATL tomorrow...

You know Caddy won't let that happen, probably wouldn't even nominate ATL tomorrow to stop you from doing that.

[Brothgar]

How about this:


We send ATL today, see what happens.


No matter what, Caddy will submit me for Arena tomorrow, yes? If ATL wins, we send him in again against me. Either way, a guild who isn't your own loses a member, and the other is SEVERELY weakened.


If ATL dies (and if he is DB,) in battle, Caddy will submit me and with that proof, set me up against him. He'll probably win, but at least you weaken him to not let the DB have control.

That won't work. If we vote ATL today we can't Vote ATL tomorrow. Caddy would have to vote ATL tomorrow.

[Brothgar]

If Caddy sends ATL in I see no reason to send him in against him

[Shane P. Hallam]

That won't work. If we vote ATL today we can't Vote ATL tomorrow. Caddy would have to vote ATL tomorrow.

Bah, alright. Sorry. Would take Caddy's cooperation I guess

[TitanHope]

Shane is in a Guild? Ok, so he admits to being a Guildy, and is campaigning for the Mages to join him? Christ this is easy.

If you're in the town, you don't want a monopoly by having an alliance between two Guilds, especially if one is the Dark Brotherhood. The town needs the Guilds to battle each other, and if they work together, then the town is dead meat.

If you're in a Guild that isn't the Mages Guild nor Shane's Guild, then you don't want another guild to be able to outnumber and outmuscle you. Two guilds joining forces means two factions working together to vote people into the arena, like we're seeing be attempted now, and when the vote for Battlemaster comes back up, it'll mean two factions voting for the same Battlemaster.

Anyone who is following Shane's lead in this are probably in Shane's Guild or the Mages Guild, and if Caddy has a brain cell in his body, then he sends either Shane, ncst8, CJ, or Rufus to the pit tomorrow.

I don't know what ATL is, but I know what Shane is. Lets not allow the one who has come out as evil and is trying to rally other evil guys to be free from the pit. Then if he does, we can then deal with ATL.

[vidae]

Maybe I'm asking a weird question here, but why should we trust you TH?

[Shane P. Hallam]

I hope the Dark Brotherhood reflect on today as the day you all went down. Those who are going HARD against me appear to be trying to shield ATL from arena and figure with my death this will go away.

I understand voting for me, I don't understand going hardcore after me and anyone voting for ATL unless you NEED to protect him.

[Caddy]

If the people send Shane in today and he DOES NOT die, I will send him back in tomorrow and the town can send in ATL as it's fairly clear to me he is public enemy #2. If Shane does die I'm open to suggestions either way to be honest. I wouldn't be opposed to sending ATL in, or sending in an inactive and then voting ATL in.

The main reason I want to send Shane today is I think he is a guild leader. He survived the poison that apparently was used to kill Gonzo. Bulletproof + Guild = Leader in the last Gladiator game.

[Brothgar]

Shane is in a Guild? Ok, so he admits to being a Guildy, and is campaigning for the Mages to join him? Christ this is easy.

If you're in the town, you don't want a monopoly by having an alliance between two Guilds, especially if one is the Dark Brotherhood. The town needs the Guilds to battle each other, and if they work together, then the town is dead meat.

If you're in a Guild that isn't the Mages Guild nor Shane's Guild, then you don't want another guild to be able to outnumber and outmuscle you. Two guilds joining forces means two factions working together to vote people into the arena, like we're seeing be attempted now, and when the vote for Battlemaster comes back up, it'll mean two factions voting for the same Battlemaster.

Anyone who is following Shane's lead in this are probably in Shane's Guild or the Mages Guild, and if Caddy has a brain cell in his body, then he sends either Shane, ncst8, CJ, or Rufus to the pit tomorrow.

I don't know what ATL is, but I know what Shane is. Lets not allow the one who has come out as evil and is trying to rally other evil guys to be free from the pit. Then if he does, we can then deal with ATL.

That makes no sense at all. If Shane is who he tells us he is and he can tell who is poisoning him then it proves that ATL is a member of a faction that hasn't been tapped yet. That would be the prime choice to send into the arena we can always vote Rufus in who is quite obviously a member of Shane's faction.

[Brothgar]

BB you missed my shane vote as well.

[RufusMcDaniel]

Anyone who is following Shane's lead in this are probably in Shane's Guild or the Mages Guild, and if Caddy has a brain cell in his body, then he sends either Shane, ncst8, CJ, or Rufus to the pit tomorrow.

I voted both Cigaro and D-Unit to fight, wouldn't be a smart thing to do if I was in the Mages Guild, right?

I have no idea who to trust here, and hey I wanted you as a BM, then went to Caddy and led the charge for him, yet I'm tied with Shane?

Yes, Shane revealed he is in a guild, so what...we won't much from him fighting again will we, besides which faction he is with. Besides, Caddy can easily send him in there tomorrow.

Why not take a chance and find out something about someone (ATL) that we know nothing about?

[BeerBaron]

Updated Vote Count:

ATL (4) - Shane, ncst8, CJ, Rufus
Shane (5) - ATL, Caddy, SP, TH, Broth
TH (1) - Bulldogs

With 22 remaining, 12 are needed for majority.

[CJSchneider]

Again, so what? He's right about the numbers game. Most of the people left are in a guild, that is fact. The fact that you keep pushing this is just confirming that you are also in one.

It's so clear as day. Methinks thou dost protest too much, etc.

The bottom line is which guild we'd rather hurt more right now, yours or his.

OK, after coming back from Father's Day shakes and malts from sonic, I have a few pages to examine. I just wanted to points out that as much as I adore you for quoting Shakespear, the "methinks" belongs at the end of the statement.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Can we do this?


Send ATL today.


Request Caddy to send ATL tomorrow (if he wins,) and send me to fight him.

Request Caddy to send me if ATL loses (and is DB,) and choose someone to kill me.

[SuperPacker]

Why not take a chance and find out something about someone (ATL) that we know nothing about?

Do I really need to answer this question? Because we KNOW Shane is evil. We DONT know that ATL is evil.

He very well could be, but we DONT KNOW.

Answer me this question. Why not kill a known evil rather than kill someone who could be a town member?

[Shane P. Hallam]

Yes, Shane revealed he is in a guild, so what...we won't much from him fighting again will we, besides which faction he is with. Besides, Caddy can easily send him in there tomorrow.


I can reveal that before if you want to. I think it is pretty obvious though when you look at:

1. My thoughts/sayings so far

2. My first fighting # (not a great fighter by my tactics either

3. What guild I am targeting.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Do I really need to answer this question? Because we KNOW Shane is evil. We DONT know that ATL is evil.

He very well could be, but we DONT KNOW.

Answer me this question. Why not kill a known evil rather than kill someone who could be a town member?

Because there aren't many, if any, town members left. We've established this, and those of you who keep stating it just seem to be trying to hammer it home to make people afraid.

Who wants to post the Shakespeare line again?

[Caddy]

Can we do this?


Send ATL today.


Request Caddy to send ATL tomorrow (if he wins,) and send me to fight him.

Request Caddy to send me if ATL loses (and is DB,) and choose someone to kill me.

I want you in the arena today. You are most likely bulletproof which means you are the 'godfather' for your guild. You've admitted to being in a guild, and combining that with the surviving being poisoned which you claimed to have happened would make you bulletproof.

If Atl did poison you, we can worry about him tomorrow as it sounds like if anything, he'd be a goon.

[CJSchneider]

Can we do this?


Send ATL today.


Request Caddy to send ATL tomorrow (if he wins,) and send me to fight him.

Request Caddy to send me if ATL loses (and is DB,) and choose someone to kill me.

Would the opposite suffice? Could Caddy choose you and the town elect ATL to fight you?

[Shane P. Hallam]

I want you in the arena today. You are most likely bulletproof which means you are the 'godfather' for your guild. You've admitted to being in a guild, and combining that with the surviving being poisoned which you claimed to have happened would make you bulletproof.

If Atl did poison you, we can worry about him tomorrow as it sounds like if anything, he'd be a goon.

I'm going to die either way Caddy. Why not take out a DB member and me at essentially the same time? I'm sure you will find a way to try and get ATL to weasel out of the arena when the time comes.

Let's vote ATL today, if he lives Caddy, nominate him tomorrow and I will be the first one to post a vote for myself to fight him.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Would the opposite suffice? Could Caddy choose you and the town elect ATL to fight you?

I was informed that couldn't happen because if we vote ATL today, the town cannot vote him again tomorrow. Broth said it a few pages back. I had suggested that earlier.

[Shane P. Hallam]

"The winning combatant cannot be chosen by the same source two straight days. If he is chosen by the Battlemaster and wins, he cannot be chosen by the Battlemaster the net day. The town can, however, vote him in."

From the rules

[Caddy]

I'm going to die either way Caddy. Why not take out a DB member and me at essentially the same time? I'm sure you will find a way to try and get ATL to weasel out of the arena when the time comes.

Let's vote ATL today, if he lives Caddy, nominate him tomorrow and I will be the first one to post a vote for myself to fight him.

You are the #1 threat. Once I've dealt with you, I will move my attention towards dealing with Atl.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I want you in the arena today. You are most likely bulletproof which means you are the 'godfather' for your guild. You've admitted to being in a guild, and combining that with the surviving being poisoned which you claimed to have happened would make you bulletproof.

If Atl did poison you, we can worry about him tomorrow as it sounds like if anything, he'd be a goon.

And no, I am not the Godfather of my guild.

[Shane P. Hallam]

You are the #1 threat. Once I've dealt with you, I will move my attention towards dealing with Atl.

I'm not the leader of my guild.

[SuperPacker]

It's so late that it's starting to get light outside. I'm off to bed!

[vidae]

OK, after coming back from Father's Day shakes and malts from sonic, I have a few pages to examine. I just wanted to points out that as much as I adore you for quoting Shakespear, the "methinks" belongs at the end of the statement.

Yeah, you're absolutely right, I messed that up. :(

[Caddy]

The town can't keep letting Jbond (an admitted guild member) weasel his way out of the arena. It's just that simple. Once we have dealt with him, I will deal with atl.

[Shane P. Hallam]

You are the #1 threat.

I am not any threat. I don't have an offensive power, I am not a very good fighter and I'm already weak from my last battle. Killing those who can poison you (and kill you,) is likely a higher "threat" don't you think? I haven't lied yet TODAY (ignore my ramblings yesterday,) I am not about to start now.

[TitanHope]

Maybe I'm asking a weird question here, but why should we trust you TH?

You shouldn't trust me. Despite me doing my best to take down this menace, you don't know who I am. But you should trust your own common sense. You should trust that Shane's guild aligning with the remnants of the Mages Guild is bad for everybody.

I have no idea where ATL's alliances are. I don't know where your or Caddy's alliances are, and one I'm responding to and the other I voted in as Battlemaster. But I do know Shane's, and it's to the Guilds. Shane is in a Guild. Period. He's bad, and we don't win unless we free the town from him, and I assume it's in the Guilds' win condition to be the last ones remaining, just like the mafia's condition in a normal game. Voting Shane benefits everybody.

Strategically, the Mages need to lay low. You think just cause Shane's Guild uses you, that he won't then betray you to win? Better yet, why stick your neck out and expose yourself by supporting this guy's ideas with your votes? Makes no sense.

Now, if Shane dies and we see that he was telling the truth about his ability, then we can vote for ATL tomorrow. Easy choice by that point. But I'm not just going to take a Guild members word for it. It'd be stupid to. Meanwhile, Caddy can choose which of Shane's cronies to pit against ATL should we decide to send him tomorrow.

[Caddy]

I am not any threat. I don't have an offensive power, I am not a very good fighter and I'm already weak from my last battle. Killing those who can poison you (and kill you,) is likely a higher "threat" don't you think? I haven't lied yet TODAY (ignore my ramblings yesterday,) I am not about to start now.

You apparently survived being poisoned. You are bulletproof.

[Shane P. Hallam]

You apparently survived being poisoned. You are bulletproof.

And how does that hurt the town or make me a threat if I was? Nothing in my description talks about me being bulletproof, I am only giving you what I know. I was told the poison would weaken me, not kill me. That is all I know.

[CJSchneider]

The town can't keep letting Jbond (an admitted guild member) weasel his way out of the arena. It's just that simple. Once we have dealt with him, I will deal with atl.

Careful with those campaign promises, BM. They have a way of biting you in the rear.

[vidae]

Meh, at least we learn something this way, but I am leaning to believing Shane at the moment. That said, I'll still vote for him as we at least get some information out of it. Meh.

vote : Shane

If Shane is telling the truth then ATL absolutely has to be the next to go. If Caddy doesn't put him in the arena then Shane was right about them. Remember that.

[Caddy]

And how does that hurt the town or make me a threat if I was? Nothing in my description talks about me being bulletproof, I am only giving you what I know. I was told the poison would weaken me, not kill me. That is all I know.

Because bulletproof players are always super powerful - ie Serial Killers and Godfathers... I see no reason why you would tell us the true extent of your power.

[RufusMcDaniel]

Do I really need to answer this question? Because we KNOW Shane is evil. We DONT know that ATL is evil.

He very well could be, but we DONT KNOW.

Answer me this question. Why not kill a known evil rather than kill someone who could be a town member?

Yes Shane is evil, I never said I didn't know that. And I'm all for him being next to go, hell I wanted him to be voted in today with ATL being nominated, but Caddy went a different way.

It's called taking a chance, we send Shane today....he dies, so what. Tomorrow we'll be back looking at an inactive, because I doubt we see ATL going up.

No wait, I'll be nominated right? Because I'm seen as aligned with Shane...still don't see it. I mean yesterday I was probably seen as being with Caddy. Maybe Caddy is with us too! Days change, so can opinions.

[Caddy]

Yes Shane is evil, I never said I didn't know that. And I'm all for him being next to go, hell I wanted him to be voted in today with ATL being nominated, but Caddy went a different way.

It's called taking a chance, we send Shane today....he dies, so what. Tomorrow we'll be back looking at an inactive, because I doubt we see ATL going up.

No wait, I'll be nominated right? Because I'm seen as aligned with Shane...still don't see it. I mean yesterday I was probably seen as being with Caddy. Maybe Caddy is with us too! Days change, so can opinions.

I couldn't send Shane in today!

[Shane P. Hallam]

You shouldn't trust me. Despite me doing my best to take down this menace, you don't know who I am. But you should trust your own common sense. You should trust that Shane's guild aligning with the remnants of the Mages Guild is bad for everybody.

I have no idea where ATL's alliances are. I don't know where your or Caddy's alliances are, and one I'm responding to and the other I voted in as Battlemaster. But I do know Shane's, and it's to the Guilds. Shane is in a Guild. Period. He's bad, and we don't win unless we free the town from him, and I assume it's in the Guilds' win condition to be the last ones remaining, just like the mafia's condition in a normal game. Voting Shane benefits everybody.

Strategically, the Mages need to lay low. You think just cause Shane's Guild uses you, that he won't then betray you to win? Better yet, why stick your neck out and expose yourself by supporting this guy's ideas with your votes? Makes no sense.

Now, if Shane dies and we see that he was telling the truth about his ability, then we can vote for ATL tomorrow. Easy choice by that point. But I'm not just going to take a Guild members word for it. It'd be stupid to. Meanwhile, Caddy can choose which of Shane's cronies to pit against ATL should we decide to send him tomorrow.

Are you in a guild? Because to be honest, I think most of us are in a guild. Even if you all want to lie about it, you know it to be true. Right now, the decision is which guild is most harmful.

I think you can tell by my fighting numbers that my guild (and myself included,) is not much of a threat. We won't win, I realize this. But the Dark Brotherhood have to be pretty darn strong in their ways, and that scares me.

[RufusMcDaniel]

I couldn't send Shane in today!

I wanted you to send ATL and we vote Shane today

[Brothgar]

Here's the thing if you are a vampire Shane I don't want to give you the ability to recover. Plus putting you in the arena tells us everything we need to know about Caddy if you are telling the truth.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Meh, at least we learn something this way, but I am leaning to believing Shane at the moment. That said, I'll still vote for him as we at least get some information out of it. Meh.

vote : Shane

If Shane is telling the truth then ATL absolutely has to be the next to go. If Caddy doesn't put him in the arena then Shane was right about them. Remember that.

Good luck vidae, I think it is obvious you aren't with them, but you are just giving them another day to strengthen themselves up. I hope it doesn't come back to screw you guys over.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Here's the thing if you are a vampire Shane I don't want to give you the ability to recover. Plus putting you in the arena tells us everything we need to know about Caddy if you are telling the truth.

I'm not a vampire. They are the vampires. You will realize this either way, yes. Is it not obvious what my guild is at this point? And if I was lying about that, I think I'd get voted in rather quickly.

[CJSchneider]

Are you in a guild? Because to be honest, I think most of us are in a guild. Even if you all want to lie about it, you know it to be true. Right now, the decision is which guild is most harmful.

I think you can tell by my fighting numbers that my guild (and myself included,) is not much of a threat. We won't win, I realize this. But the Dark Brotherhood have to be pretty darn strong in their ways, and that scares me.

This statement scares me.

unvote: ATL

[Shane P. Hallam]

This statement scares me.

unvote: ATL

Read everything again CJ, realize what guild I'm in. Realize why we aren't a fighting threat. I think it is pretty obvious.

[CJSchneider]

Read everything again CJ, realize what guild I'm in. Realize why we aren't a fighting threat. I think it is pretty obvious.

At this juncture I am merely using my vote as a means of gathering more data.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Sounds good. I think I am done, my arguments have been made in great detail. If people want to vote me in, it is on them, but I do believe giving the DB any breathing room here will give them a certain victory.

[TitanHope]

I voted both Cigaro and D-Unit to fight, wouldn't be a smart thing to do if I was in the Mages Guild, right?

I have no idea who to trust here, and hey I wanted you as a BM, then went to Caddy and led the charge for him, yet I'm tied with Shane?

Yes, Shane revealed he is in a guild, so what...we won't much from him fighting again will we, besides which faction he is with. Besides, Caddy can easily send him in there tomorrow.

Why not take a chance and find out something about someone (ATL) that we know nothing about?

I'm sorry Rufus, but you've voted to let a known Guild member stay alive! I have to assume you're with him. It's silly to take his word about ATL for truth. He's evil, so lets hope Drew kills him so we know for a fact that ATL can poison. If it's true, then we send ATL into the ring. Your reason about not finding out information isn't correct. We can both kill a known Guildy AND find out information that will lead to ATL going in next. It just seems so clear cut to me. I don't mean any offense, and I'm sorry to have labeled you, but what else am I supposed to think?

[RufusMcDaniel]

Well...I know my actions do not look this way, but I can guarantee that I am not with Shane. I know, I know I'm keeping him alive, but how stupid of a move would it be for me to stick my neck out for him when if I was indeed with him, I never do that...it would hurt the faction if that was the case. Shane's people are most likely the ones laying low.

I'm sticking with my vote because if I change it now it'll be used against me, hell keeping it will be held against me and I assume that I'll be fighting tomorrow if I survive the night.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Alright guys. Just got back from a birthday party. Getting caught up.

[CashmoneyDrew]

So since I'm going into the arena no matter what, I guess I'll just say that I'm cool with fighting either ATL or Shane.

[vidae]

Just something I was thinking about:

If Caddy doesn't put ATL into the arena tomorrow, no matter his excuses, Shane was right. There is no reason for him not to do it. Don't let him make excuses. None of them will be valid.

I'm sorry Shane. I don't like how this has worked out and to be honest I do believe you, but you're going in no matter what. And I'm pretty sure that I'm going to die right after you.

In case I die, don't forget this post.

[Brothgar]

Just something I was thinking about:

If Caddy doesn't put ATL into the arena tomorrow, no matter his excuses, Shane was right. There is no reason for him not to do it. Don't let him make excuses. None of them will be valid.

I'm sorry Shane. I don't like how this has worked out and to be honest I do believe you, but you're going in no matter what. And I'm pretty sure that I'm going to die right after you.

In case I die, don't forget this post.

I will not forget Vidae!

[Caddy]

So since I'm going into the arena no matter what, I guess I'll just say that I'm cool with fighting either ATL or Shane.

Given the fact that Shane thinks he is almost certain to die in the arena, I thought you'd vote for him straight away. Interesting.

Just something I was thinking about:

If Caddy doesn't put ATL into the arena tomorrow, no matter his excuses, Shane was right. There is no reason for him not to do it. Don't let him make excuses. None of them will be valid.

I'm sorry Shane. I don't like how this has worked out and to be honest I do believe you, but you're going in no matter what. And I'm pretty sure that I'm going to die right after you.

In case I die, don't forget this post.

How dare you question my allegiance! We are no longer super-best friends!

[Bulldogs]

Just something I was thinking about:

If Caddy doesn't put ATL into the arena tomorrow, no matter his excuses, Shane was right. There is no reason for him not to do it. Don't let him make excuses. None of them will be valid.

I'm sorry Shane. I don't like how this has worked out and to be honest I do believe you, but you're going in no matter what. And I'm pretty sure that I'm going to die right after you.

In case I die, don't forget this post.

I agree with this 100%. I'd actually rather TH in the arena but I'll agree either way. No I'm not a lyncher damn it but it's just so blatantly obvious TH is bad. I'll go with the sure lynch for now (although I'd argue TH is a sure lynch as well).

Unvote: TH

Vote: Shane

[vidae]

How dare you question my allegiance! We are no longer super-best friends!

Nothing is as it seems! DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN!

[Caddy]

Nothing is as it seems! DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN!

Plot Twist: Vidae is actually Han Solo

[vidae]

I was Han Solo in the Star Wars game!

[Shane P. Hallam]

I was Chewbacca!

[vidae]

Haha, I forgot about that. We were best buds for life, remember?!

[Raiderz4Life]

I hate you both! I was greedo...was supposed to find Han...night I looked into Vid I got frozen by getting scared by Chewy.