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Giantsfan1080
06-15-2012, 01:16 PM
There is some very good news for us NFL junkies. The NFL is releasing the All 22 film online so anyone can watch. It'll cost you $60 a season for it but I'm definitely going to get in on that.

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages

ATLDirtyBirds
06-15-2012, 02:15 PM
I saw this earlier. So ******* happy. Purchasing now.

vidae
06-15-2012, 02:49 PM
Hot damn, that is awesome.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-15-2012, 04:31 PM
You mean it won't take a week to do a damn game breakdown? I am speechless! LOL. Now does this coach's film include both the tight and wide shot?

I have some questions..

Each team records their own tape, and depending on the stadium you will get different views. For example, the coach's tape filmed at the Bears stadium is piss poor. It's like a High School recording. Our stadium and redskins stadium, or old stadium I should say, had an excellent view for the wide shot.

Also, does the tight shot, and wide shot, have the proper way of recording film where it flashes to the scoreboard, then tight, wide, and scoreboard, tight, wide and score board for the 3rd play?

I have questions when they say coach's film on what the hell they are actually releasing and what format.

Giantsfan1080
06-15-2012, 04:36 PM
We'll certainly find out. If I get bored I might just buy it soon and I'll let you know. I'm really excited to see what players in the secondary are actually getting burned.

Razor
06-15-2012, 04:41 PM
Does anyone know if this'll be incorporated in the regular off season game pass package? That'd be awesome, but I'm not about to pay another $60 for this since I'm already paying $260 + 2x$75 for playoffs and off season Game Pass...

NY+Giants=NYG
06-15-2012, 04:43 PM
We'll certainly find out. If I get bored I might just buy it soon and I'll let you know. I'm really excited to see what players in the secondary are actually getting burned.

We are actually talking about this on BBI.

Best quote from a coach on there. Don't believe everything you read from bloggers. Half of them don't know **** about what they're looking at and the other half are stupid.

Brent
06-15-2012, 05:18 PM
And now we all get to see how similar every team's offensive scheme is!

Matthew Jones
06-15-2012, 05:20 PM
I really want to get this!

NY+Giants=NYG
06-15-2012, 05:44 PM
And now we all get to see how similar every team's offensive scheme is!

It will be interesting to see what's going on. Again, it will be based on what this "coach's film" entails and what they actually sell to us. That's why I am skeptical about this.

tjsunstein
06-15-2012, 05:48 PM
I'll probably get it. And it probably wont be worth it, but I hope it is.

ATLDirtyBirds
06-15-2012, 06:09 PM
They already bumped the price from $59.99 to $69.99

ATLDirtyBirds
06-15-2012, 06:11 PM
And now we all get to see how similar every team's offensive scheme is!

I already talked about this with Eric, Kubiak is going to absolutely blow minds.

TACKLE
06-15-2012, 06:17 PM
And now we all get to see how similar every team's offensive scheme is!

hush hush. How am I, the NFL fan, supposed to blame all my team's offensive shortcomings on my OC when the other teams are running a very similar system?

TheFinisher
06-15-2012, 06:59 PM
best news I've heard all week.

WCH
06-15-2012, 08:17 PM
I'm so excited that I only skimmed this thread. I would eat my shirt to get the "All 22" coaches film. This is the holy grail of football!

And now we all get to see how similar every team's offensive scheme is!

Haha, the NFL floated this idea and did a poll during the season, asking if people wanted it and how much they would be willing to pay to get it. Then the damn jerks at the NFL Offices were like "haha, jk...lol...that film is proprietary!"

Everybody figured that it was because they didn't want fans nit-picking gameday decisions and seeing how similar every teams schemes were (not to mention how stupid a few coaches are).

Apparently the NFL caved (presumably because polling showed there was money to be made)?

I reiterate: I'm so excited!

Giantsfan1080
06-15-2012, 08:20 PM
If you click that link they give all the different packages and prices.

ATLDirtyBirds
06-15-2012, 08:44 PM
If you're really interested in this, I'd suggest going for the full. If the SB was any indication of the "select plays" in All 22, I wouldn't have purchased.

phlysac
06-16-2012, 12:28 AM
I wonder how pissed Greg Cosell is about this. He can't use his holier-than-thou "But I actually watch all-22 film" as a reason for us to believe his agenda anymore.

descendency
06-16-2012, 02:08 AM
Hopefully, coaches will get some half decent cameras with the extra money!

Oh, and the condensed games are a godsend if you missed the game and still want to watch it. 30 minutes instead of 4 hours.

TACKLE
06-16-2012, 02:29 AM
I wonder how pissed Greg Cosell is about this. He can't use his holier-than-thou "But I actually watch all-22 film" as a reason for us to believe his agenda anymore.

Except for he doesn't actually do that. :/ He just emphasizes 'based off what I've seen on film' because he consciously makes a point of not factoring in things outside of the actual games.

TheBoyWonder22
06-16-2012, 03:23 AM
We'll certainly find out. If I get bored I might just buy it soon and I'll let you know. I'm really excited to see what players in the secondary are actually getting burned.
Antrel Rolle lawl

WCH
06-16-2012, 05:20 AM
If you're really interested in this, I'd suggest going for the full. If the SB was any indication of the "select plays" in All 22, I wouldn't have purchased.

I'm definitely buying the full Rewind package instead of Sunday Ticket To-Go this season, especially since I have a bad feeling that this is only going to be a one year experiment.

We'll certainly find out. If I get bored I might just buy it soon and I'll let you know. I'm really excited to see what players in the secondary are actually getting burned.

I'm really excited to see how rarely shutdown corners actually play "on an island."

Caddy
06-16-2012, 05:22 AM
Pretty sure this has been available internationally for a while

Shane P. Hallam
06-16-2012, 10:55 AM
Pretty sure this has been available internationally for a while

Nah, the All-22 hasn't. Rewind has.

Pat Sims 90
06-16-2012, 10:59 AM
So the NFL already raised the price to $70.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-16-2012, 11:04 AM
If anyone gets this let me know what kind of "coach's tape" they actually sell or allow the fan to see.

Giantsfan1080
06-16-2012, 11:19 AM
If anyone gets this let me know what kind of "coach's tape" they actually sell or allow the fan to see.

Looking at the picture they show it seems to have a endzone view and a top view.

ATLDirtyBirds
06-16-2012, 11:40 AM
Except for he doesn't actually do that. :/ He just emphasizes 'based off what I've seen on film' because he consciously makes a point of not factoring in things outside of the actual games.


No, Cossell has an agenda to convince the world that the world beater that is Alex Smith actually sucks.

If anyone gets this let me know what kind of "coach's tape" they actually sell or allow the fan to see.

I'd be willing to bet this is not something from the teams. It's probably all NFL Films.

Cudders
06-16-2012, 02:33 PM
I'd be willing to bet this is not something from the teams. It's probably all NFL Films.

That's what I'd bet as well. You're probably getting the stock film that they use for ESPN/NFL Network's analysis shows. Not classic coach's tape. Either way, as long as they have both wide and narrow All-22 shots, I will probably get it. It's still better than the alternative.

Anyone checked it out yet?

bigbluedefense
06-16-2012, 03:56 PM
And now we all get to see how similar every team's offensive scheme is!

Not really. Unless you have a copy of the playbook, you don't know the offense's play.

I will definitely get this. What I hope will result in a lot of us purchasing this is 2 things:

1. The constant bitching about our offensive coordinators will stop once you see the all 22 film and how the adjustments were more likely made that you asked for during the game, and how more often than not, it wasn't the play call that was bad, but it was awful execution. (For the most part, don't get me wrong I dislike and criticize some guys too, but it's gotten to a point in this forum where it's getting out of hand. Players make plays.)

2. We'll see how similar both offenses and defenses around the league really are. Nobody is really doing anything outside the box anymore. Every team does a little bit of everything. Again, players make plays.

Ness
06-16-2012, 04:16 PM
I wonder how pissed Greg Cosell is about this. He can't use his holier-than-thou "But I actually watch all-22 film" as a reason for us to believe his agenda anymore.

Or his "eye in the sky phrase". The only card he'll have left is that he has been looking at that kind of film for years and years.

Caddy
06-17-2012, 06:27 AM
Nah, the All-22 hasn't. Rewind has.

How dare you question me. All I know is the package I bought last year was pretty much what the story described.

Icelandic_Colt
06-17-2012, 08:07 AM
Pretty sure this has been available internationally for a while

Yup, the international version of Gamepass had the "all-22" shots available for "most" scoring plays last year, but not every single play. I don't buy it in the off-season so I can't be sure, but I seem to recall that it was a wide shot and then also a end-zone view.

I don't think you got a scoreboard shot, but you could easily make out the down and distance along with the time, when you selected the play from the marker. Not sure if rewind in the U.S. uses the same format though?

Brent
06-17-2012, 08:48 AM
Not really. Unless you have a copy of the playbook, you don't know the offense's play.
You said in your second point what I meant by my statement, fwiw.

bigbluedefense
06-17-2012, 08:58 AM
You said in your second point what I meant by my statement, fwiw.

True. We will never truly know exactly what is going on when we watch the film bc we don't have the play books, but it will be a nice visual to see how wrong we are as fans when we watch the game from the tv angle with first reactions.

Ive caught myself many times bitching during a game, then when i went back and re-watched it on DVR, I saw all the adjustments I asked for, they just weren't executed.

I learned my lesson. I won't sit here and say that they're always right and we're always wrong, but we're not as right as we think.

Brent
06-17-2012, 09:03 AM
I learned my lesson. I won't sit here and say that they're always right and we're always wrong, but we're not as right as we think.
Well, there is a reason they're an OC in the NFL and people here are not.

hockey619
06-17-2012, 09:11 AM
Well, there is a reason they're an OC in the NFL and people here are not.

with the exception of cam cameron. he just really makes no sense at all.

bigbluedefense
06-17-2012, 09:13 AM
Well, there is a reason they're an OC in the NFL and people here are not.

Pretty much. I get as frustrated with my OC as the next guy, but let's put this in perspective for a bit.

I think we're getting out of hand a little with the criticism. I mean, out of 32 teams, there's literally only 4 or 5 teams in the league that love their OC. Nobody can't tell me the other 27 teams have awful OCs. Can't be. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

To me, the biggest criticism I have with coordinators is some refuse to adjust to their players, and throw their systems in and force the players to adapt to the system, even if it's fitting square pegs in round holes. That's my main issue.

A great coordinator to me is a guy who adjusts to his players, and has a great feel for the game and knows when to call the right plays at the right time. The scheme itself isn't a problem for me though (other than my hatred for Cover 2).

bigbluedefense
06-17-2012, 09:18 AM
with the exception of cam cameron. he just really makes no sense at all.

Cameron is a great OC when he has the right players. He's the symbol of what I have an issue with though, a guy who refuses to adjust his system to his players. So I understand the hatred.

Let's not forget, the guy was considered a genius when he was in SD. Players make plays. He doesn't have the players to fit his system in Baltimore. Flacco is mediocre, and his WRs are mediocre.

The biggest misconception though is Cameron needs to give the ball to Ray Rice more. That cannot be more wrong. Ray Rice carried the ball 291 times. That's a ton of touches. That's not even including how many passes he caught out of the backfield.

Cameron needs to run the ball more, yes. But he doesn't need to give Ray Rice more touches. Unless you want to run Ray Rice's body into the ground in 2 years.

vidae
06-17-2012, 07:30 PM
To me, the biggest criticism I have with coordinators is some refuse to adjust to their players, and throw their systems in and force the players to adapt to the system, even if it's fitting square pegs in round holes. That's my main issue.

That's why I'm kind of excited for Brian Daboll. From everything I've read, he's really good at adjusting to the strengths of the players he has and doesn't try to force them into doing something they're not comfortable with.

On an aside, the NFL really needs an app for the 360/PS3/Wii. I have Game Rewind but sometimes I want to sit my fat ass on my couch and enjoy it there. I could hook up a computer, but that's so much gd work.

If there is an easier way to get it there that I don't know about, hook up with the knowledge.

Brent
06-17-2012, 07:31 PM
I could hook up a computer, but that's so much gd work.
two cables... TWO

WCH
06-17-2012, 07:39 PM
That reminds me...I haven't seen my HDMI cable since football season ended...

brat316
06-17-2012, 08:02 PM
What do you mean by classic coaches tape?

They are giving you high side view, and each endzone view. The only thing different coaches get is they have someone to break down the plays by formation, down and distance, similar play types.

brat316
06-17-2012, 08:04 PM
I think i'm going to buy it tomorrow I"ll let you know how it is.

Ravens1991
06-17-2012, 10:55 PM
Cameron is a great OC when he has the right players. He's the symbol of what I have an issue with though, a guy who refuses to adjust his system to his players. So I understand the hatred.

Let's not forget, the guy was considered a genius when he was in SD. Players make plays. He doesn't have the players to fit his system in Baltimore. Flacco is mediocre, and his WRs are mediocre.

The biggest misconception though is Cameron needs to give the ball to Ray Rice more. That cannot be more wrong. Ray Rice carried the ball 291 times. That's a ton of touches. That's not even including how many passes he caught out of the backfield.

Cameron needs to run the ball more, yes. But he doesn't need to give Ray Rice more touches. Unless you want to run Ray Rice's body into the ground in 2 years.


Lets be real here, who wouldnt look bad w/ that talent they had in SD, perfect weather for at least 8 games out of the year and playing in the afc west.

He is a control freak w/ an ego. When Flacco asked him to change the system to fit his needs he told him no. He doesn't even let Flacco audible. He is as predictable as they come and literally refuses to make adjustments in game. Its just baffling this guy has a job in baltimore.

Cosell even said this is a 1960s offense. Players have said there are minimal week to week adjustments. He really needs to get his head out of his ass.

WCH
06-17-2012, 11:42 PM
Lets be real here, who wouldnt look bad w/ that talent they had in SD, perfect weather for at least 8 games out of the year and playing in the afc west.

He is a control freak w/ an ego. When Flacco asked him to change the system to fit his needs he told him no. He doesn't even let Flacco audible. He is as predictable as they come and literally refuses to make adjustments in game. Its just baffling this guy has a job in baltimore.

Cosell even said this is a 1960s offense. Players have said there are minimal week to week adjustments. He really needs to get his head out of his ass.

I hate it when coaches flat-out refuse to let their QBs audible. I can almost understand why they don't allow it, but Holmgren's stance ("If you audible, you had better be right.") is a much better way to go about it. You coach up your QB and I think that you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Brett Favre and the Packers had their most underachieving seasons when Mike Sherman didn't let the man adjust plays at the LOS. For that matter, they had their most underachieving seasons when Mike Sherman was being Mike Sherman. Congrats to the Bucs for not hiring that guy.

vidae
06-18-2012, 01:59 AM
two cables... TWO

Ugh, damn you brent. I don't have a laptop, so it is annoying hooking everything up in the livingroom.

And don't you dare sass me!

scottyboy
06-18-2012, 06:02 AM
Cameron is a great OC when he has the right players. He's the symbol of what I have an issue with though, a guy who refuses to adjust his system to his players. So I understand the hatred.

Let's not forget, the guy was considered a genius when he was in SD. Players make plays. He doesn't have the players to fit his system in Baltimore. Flacco is mediocre, and his WRs are mediocre.

The biggest misconception though is Cameron needs to give the ball to Ray Rice more. That cannot be more wrong. Ray Rice carried the ball 291 times. That's a ton of touches. That's not even including how many passes he caught out of the backfield.

Cameron needs to run the ball more, yes. But he doesn't need to give Ray Rice more touches. Unless you want to run Ray Rice's body into the ground in 2 years.

Ray Rice always needs more touches. Always. There's no such thing as too many carries for him. Run his body into the ground? Have you seen those thighs?

NY+Giants=NYG
06-18-2012, 09:23 AM
No, Cossell has an agenda to convince the world that the world beater that is Alex Smith actually sucks.



I'd be willing to bet this is not something from the teams. It's probably all NFL Films.

Id guess that part only cuz different stadiums offer different views.when I watched coacbes tape I saw that the Chicago bears tape is terrible. The angle looks like it was filmed at a high school game.

But I am curious in howit is edited and what views we get.

Borat
06-21-2012, 12:48 AM
Ray Rice always needs more touches. Always.

He meant touches of the football you sicko!

niel89
06-24-2012, 03:05 PM
Am I the only one who hates the videos on NFL.com? They are always slow and buggy for me. It honestly is a big turn off for trying out this service. Hopefully these videos will pop up on other sites.


Hey PFF can now actually see the whole field for their coverage stats.