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Shane P. Hallam
06-15-2012, 08:37 PM
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georgiafan
07-18-2012, 01:19 PM
So you would draft Aaron Murray in the first round? Even though I'm a die hard UGA fan, but I wouldnt draft him that early. I would project him to have a Colt Mccoy type career.

K Train
07-18-2012, 01:48 PM
murray is a solid 3rd round guy, just like mccoy was

SolidGold
07-18-2012, 02:41 PM
murray is a solid 3rd round guy, just like mccoy was

I have to agree with this. His height hurts him a little at this point. If he measures 6'2 or better come combine time I think his stock will rise. I think he compares favorably to Russell Wilson in terms of his physical stature and playing style.

Shane P. Hallam
07-18-2012, 02:50 PM
So you would draft Aaron Murray in the first round? Even though I'm a die hard UGA fan, but I wouldnt draft him that early. I would project him to have a Colt Mccoy type career.

I do think he could move up with a good season. His deep ball accuracy is great. Wouldn't be surprised if someone takes a shot.

jrdrylie
07-18-2012, 03:20 PM
murray is a solid 3rd round guy, just like mccoy was

A lot of people compare Murray to Brees but I think he is closer to McCoy. He's better in most aspects than McCoy, but he is still a long way from the Brees level.

K Train
07-18-2012, 03:39 PM
i think barkley is MUCH more like brees than murray. Only short guys draw comparisons to brees, but barkley is shortish and the way he handles himself in the pocket, his arm, his mechanics is very brees-esque to me

Master Exploder
07-19-2012, 08:04 AM
I think Aaron Murray is a great prospect. I try not to include personal biases, but he has a stronger arm than most think. Colt McCoy comparisons are entirely off. He's short and quick, that's about as far as that goes.

I think he has good tools and if he were 6'2-6'4, I think he'd be a consensus first rounder at this point, but he's going to measure under 6' tall. I'm 6'1 (official measurement) and I'm guessing that I'm about 2 inches taller than him whenever we're standing beside each other. I think he's going to be in the 5'11 range, which will undoubtedly damage his stock.

Other than that, he's a great QB prospect. I'd even argue that he's a better prospect than Matthew Stafford in quite a few areas.

georgiafan
07-19-2012, 09:26 AM
I think Aaron Murray is a great prospect. I try not to include personal biases, but he has a stronger arm than most think. Colt McCoy comparisons are entirely off. He's short and quick, that's about as far as that goes.

I think he has good tools and if he were 6'2-6'4, I think he'd be a consensus first rounder at this point, but he's going to measure under 6' tall. I'm 6'1 (official measurement) and I'm guessing that I'm about 2 inches taller than him whenever we're standing beside each other. I think he's going to be in the 5'11 range, which will undoubtedly damage his stock.

Other than that, he's a great QB prospect. I'd even argue that he's a better prospect than Matthew Stafford in quite a few areas.

Stafford is a better prospect then Murray and it isn't even close even though I know come draft time someone will argue that bc Murray put up better stats.

K Train
07-19-2012, 10:23 AM
i was more comparing their draft stock as a solid 3rd round QB

OSUGiants17
07-19-2012, 10:37 AM
I'm guessing you didn't watch anything on Mettenberger? I love that you included AJ McCarron, I loved watching him this year, he certainly isn't the best QB in this class, and like you said I doubt he declares, but I think his Senior year he gets the chance to throw the ball more and becomes a lot more comfortable with himself as the guy at Alabama and could be a 2nd rounder. I think he will be nothing more than a game-manager at the next level, maybe with good coaching and an excellent roster around him he can be a playoff guy like Flacco, but I certainly think he can be a starter at the next level if he continues to progress.

georgiafan
07-19-2012, 11:14 AM
Mettenburger has potential but has barely attempted any passes so we will learn alot more about him this year. I do think he has 1st round talent minus the off the field stuff

OSUGiants17
07-19-2012, 11:34 AM
I think Aaron Murray is a great prospect. I try not to include personal biases, but he has a stronger arm than most think. Colt McCoy comparisons are entirely off. He's short and quick, that's about as far as that goes.

I think he has good tools and if he were 6'2-6'4, I think he'd be a consensus first rounder at this point, but he's going to measure under 6' tall. I'm 6'1 (official measurement) and I'm guessing that I'm about 2 inches taller than him whenever we're standing beside each other. I think he's going to be in the 5'11 range, which will undoubtedly damage his stock.

Other than that, he's a great QB prospect. I'd even argue that he's a better prospect than Matthew Stafford in quite a few areas.

When have you stood next to him?

Master Exploder
07-19-2012, 01:33 PM
Stafford is a better prospect then Murray and it isn't even close even though I know come draft time someone will argue that bc Murray put up better stats.

I wasn't saying he was a better overall prospect, but I do think he is better in quite a few areas. I think he's a lot smarter at this point in time than Stafford was.

When have you stood next to him?

I'm a student at UGA and I'm friends with a few student-athletes who have granted me the luxury of going to a few social gatherings and even working out with him.

georgiafan
07-19-2012, 01:41 PM
I wasn't saying he was a better overall prospect, but I do think he is better in quite a few areas. I think he's a lot smarter at this point in time than Stafford was.



I'm a student at UGA and I'm friends with a few student-athletes who have granted me the luxury of going to a few social gatherings and even working out with him.

I disasgree about Murray being smarter then Stafford bc when Stafford was a true soph the coaches trusted him to change any play he wanted to at the line of scrimmage. Last year Aaron Murray would have to look over to the sideline to change plays. He may not have everytime, but i know alot of the time he did.

I'm not saying Murray is dumb are anything, but I think you get a lot of sterotypes about QBs "weak arm, high football IQ" and " big arm, no football IQ".

Master Exploder
07-19-2012, 04:31 PM
I disasgree about Murray being smarter then Stafford bc when Stafford was a true soph the coaches trusted him to change any play he wanted to at the line of scrimmage. Last year Aaron Murray would have to look over to the sideline to change plays. He may not have everytime, but i know alot of the time he did.

I'm not saying Murray is dumb are anything, but I think you get a lot of sterotypes about QBs "weak arm, high football IQ" and " big arm, no football IQ".

Maybe, I think it's still a hard argument to sell though. I feel like Matthew Stafford relied on his arm more often than Aaron Murray does. I haven't done extensive research or comparisons, this is just my opinion from watching every game of theirs on my own in real time.

I'm really just holding Murray in high regard in comparison to Stafford, not really trying to undermine Matthew at all. I just think Murray is a lot better than most realize, but I think he's gonna' get the Russell Wilson treatment when it's all said and done.

CashmoneyDrew
07-19-2012, 04:46 PM
I think if Bray stays healthy, which he should, he's gonna blow up this year. Too many weapons on offense. He's also up to 220 finally, and from a lot of people around the program he's apparently taking a much bigger leadership role.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-19-2012, 08:51 PM
I think if Bray stays healthy, which he should, he's gonna blow up this year. Too many weapons on offense. He's also up to 220 finally, and from a lot of people around the program he's apparently taking a much bigger leadership role.


#Pray4Bray

SolidGold
07-20-2012, 07:51 AM
I am eager to see what Bray does. He has all the tools and I am hoping he can put it all together.

Also, if Tyler Wilson does really well this year considering all the drama surrounding the Arkansas program it should solidify his spot as a Top 5 pick IMO. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys somehow make a move for him as the eventual successor to Romo in the 2013 draft.

MI_Buckeye
07-20-2012, 01:26 PM
I think Wilson's stock is going to fall like a rock. He's losing three NFL receivers and the architecht of the offense he's excelled in for a season plus. not to mention, his head coach is a nutcase. He's a tough kid with good, not elite tools so he'll need to produce this year like he did last year, and I just don't see it happening.

BTW Shane, I can't understand why you would say coming out of the Petrino offense would be a negative for Wilson. Petrino was an NFL OC and head coach. As of last year, Arkansas ran one of the most NFL-influenced offenses in college football. If anything, Wilson will have an upper hand on guys like Thomas and Bray who will have more of a learning curve. Just because Brian Brohm was an epic flop doesn't mean his college system is to blame. Faulty reasoning like this is what pushed Aaron Rodgers down to the 24th pick.

Shane P. Hallam
07-20-2012, 01:31 PM
He's never produced a successful NFL QB when he's coached in college. HC or O-coordinator. It is a question. Plus, when you watch Arkansas play, you see how a lot of those WRs got open, lots of crosses combined with a down the field option in most cases, plenty of shotgun type snaps. It was built to prevent press coverage from being used. I heavily disagree that it was one of the most NFL-influenced offenses in CFB.

SolidGold
07-20-2012, 01:39 PM
I think Wilson's stock is going to fall like a rock. He's losing three NFL receivers and the architecht of the offense he's excelled in for a season plus. not to mention, his head coach is a nutcase. He's a tough kid with good, not elite tools so he'll need to produce this year like he did last year, and I just don't see it happening.

BTW Shane, I can't understand why you would say coming out of the Petrino offense would be a negative for Wilson. Petrino was an NFL OC and head coach. As of last year, Arkansas ran one of the most NFL-influenced offenses in college football. If anything, Wilson will have an upper hand on guys like Thomas and Bray who will have more of a learning curve. Just because Brian Brohm was an epic flop doesn't mean his college system is to blame. Faulty reasoning like this is what pushed Aaron Rodgers down to the 24th pick.

Arkansas lost 3 mid round WRs but it's not like any of them were superstars. I like Wilson alot, they have an experienced line returning as well as Cobi Hamilton at WR, Chris Gragg at TE and Knile Davis at RB who returns after missing last season. I think Wilson has a firm grasp of the playbook which I doubt Smith is going to change much.

MI_Buckeye
07-20-2012, 02:08 PM
He's never produced a successful NFL QB when he's coached in college. HC or O-coordinator. It is a question. Plus, when you watch Arkansas play, you see how a lot of those WRs got open, lots of crosses combined with a down the field option in most cases, plenty of shotgun type snaps. It was built to prevent press coverage from being used. I heavily disagree that it was one of the most NFL-influenced offenses in CFB.

One, there aren't many successful NFL QBs, and producing one requires a lot of luck, especially when you're coaching at mid-level schools for much of your career.

At Arkansas, Wilson probably takes 65 percent of his snaps from under center. There are a bunch of personnel groupings and pre-snap formation shifts. Yes, the route combinations are simpler because college teams don't have the time to install their playbooks with as much sophistocation as the NFLers, but the general principles are that of a Coryell NFL offense.

MI_Buckeye
07-20-2012, 02:17 PM
Arkansas lost 3 mid round WRs but it's not like any of them were superstars. I like Wilson alot, they have an experienced line returning as well as Cobi Hamilton at WR, Chris Gragg at TE and Knile Davis at RB who returns after missing last season. I think Wilson has a firm grasp of the playbook which I doubt Smith is going to change much.

I think you'll be surprised by the impact of losing those three guys. Adams was a stud, and Jarius Wright was dynamic as well. It's hard to just move on from losing guys like that.

I know Smith and Bobby's brother Paul won't change much of the offense, but that is not the point. Smith is a flake, and his teams reflect it. Wilson will be put in worse situations this year, because the team won't respond to adversity well.

SolidGold
07-20-2012, 02:40 PM
I think you'll be surprised by the impact of losing those three guys. Adams was a stud, and Jarius Wright was dynamic as well. It's hard to just move on from losing guys like that.

I know Smith and Bobby's brother Paul won't change much of the offense, but that is not the point. Smith is a flake, and his teams reflect it. Wilson will be put in worse situations this year, because the team won't respond to adversity well.

Agree about Smith but think Scouts/Front Offices will be more interested to see how Wilson responds to the adversity. I don't really see him screwing up and causing his stock to fall like a rock.

Master Exploder
07-20-2012, 03:28 PM
I think Tyler Wilson will be fine.

FUNBUNCHER
07-20-2012, 11:32 PM
What does 'fall like a rock' even mean??
Wilson IMO is a lock top 15 almost no matter what he does next season.
Rookies don't get paid squat anyway so whether he's a top 5 or top 20 pick is almost irrelevant. The question is, will he be going to a team where he'll have an opportunity to start before his rookie deal is up??

descendency
07-20-2012, 11:58 PM
Aaron Murray could turn into Trent Edwards without the arm.

MI_Buckeye
07-21-2012, 04:59 AM
What does 'fall like a rock' even mean??
Wilson IMO is a lock top 15 almost no matter what he does next season.
Rookies don't get paid squat anyway so whether he's a top 5 or top 20 pick is almost irrelevant. The question is, will he be going to a team where he'll have an opportunity to start before his rookie deal is up??

I honestly don't think he's going in the first round. Arkansas will limp to about a 7-5ish season, and Wilson just won't be as productive.

FUNBUNCHER
07-21-2012, 04:08 PM
I don't see how Tyler Wilson isn't a top 32 pick, and the Razorbacks final season record is secondary compared to how Wilson performs.

He could still put up comparable stats on a 7 win team playing in the SEC.

Iamcanadian
07-25-2012, 01:38 AM
Wilson scares he hell out of me. Petrino's track record for producing successful NFL QB's stinks, his offensive system is always going to make a college QB look a lot better than he may be.
However, the are always exceptions to the rule as Aaron Rodgers proved. He fell on draft day because his college HC had a miserable record of producing pro QB's. Tedford's QB's failed every time until Rodgers, so you just never know, but it will cost Wilson big time on draft day.

SenorGato
07-25-2012, 04:16 AM
A lot of people compare Murray to Brees but I think he is closer to McCoy. He's better in most aspects than McCoy, but he is still a long way from the Brees level.

He needs to add NFL strength and size to his frame, but despite his height I think he can do it. He's an excellent athlete for the position, and has the best intangibles of any of the QBs in this class (right now anyway).

Murray might be my favorite QB in this draft. He needs work, but 3-5 years down the road I think he's a solid starter.

SchizophrenicBatman
07-26-2012, 12:33 AM
Bray is a knucklehead with mediocre stats against real SEC teams

No one else sees an anorexic Ryan Mallett?

descendency
07-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Bray is a knucklehead with mediocre stats against real SEC teams

No one else sees an anorexic Ryan Mallett?

Or how about Jimmy Clausen?

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/tyler_bray_tatoo.jpg

Even Jimmy wouldn't do that.

SeahawkNMD
07-26-2012, 11:33 PM
Or how about Jimmy Clausen?

Even Jimmy wouldn't do that.

I don't mind tatooing your last name on you but that is just as stupid looking as you could possibly do it.

CashmoneyDrew
07-27-2012, 12:17 AM
Bray is a knucklehead with mediocre stats against real SEC teams

No one else sees an anorexic Ryan Mallett?

He's a rising true junior that due to circumstances out of his control hasn't had a chance to shine yet. The dude in your avatar was sniffing whiteout and writing his name on stolen laptops at the same time in his career, so what's your point?

JHL6719
07-27-2012, 12:44 AM
Bray is a knucklehead


http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/jul/25/tyler-bray-roommate-accused-of-throwing-beer-off/