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SuperMcGee
07-05-2012, 11:50 PM
Gonzo is taking no prisoners this time around...everyone is a target.

Do me next!

Rufus, I feel like you are the town rapist. It would be a neutral role I think. I am ******* on to you.

How great would it be if Rufus was the one that killed snicho, and Gonzo somehow ended up being right about this day one nonsense?

But really, I think I'm actually leaning away from Rufus, right now.

jrdrylie
07-05-2012, 11:59 PM
Off to bed. Close the thread if someone gets four votes.

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 12:09 AM
Yeah, I need to get to bed as well.

I'll check in before I leave tomorrow morning for work, hope I'm not dead.

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 12:42 AM
I'm thinking it has to be Grizz.

vote: Grizz

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 02:30 AM
I don't have anything :/

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 03:00 AM
i trust my investigations and if mcgee isnt the sk, that means there isnt one in this game.

vote: mcgee

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 07:25 AM
Vote Count:

Rufus (2) scotty, Deep
Deep (1) Rufus
McGee (2) Killswitch, Grizz
Grizz (1) McGee


with 7 remaining players, 4 votes needed for a majority.

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 07:31 AM
Thought about the show for a bit and I think I have an idea for who most people could be. Not sure yet when it comes to Deep/Rufus, but Grizz being evil just makes plenty of sense. He's played an entirely too untrustworthy game and I don't trust his good thievery claims.

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 07:40 AM
Also McGee, he claims to have been jailkept last night by Cigaro, we won't know until the end of the game, but it's the perfect alibi if he killed him as well.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 07:44 AM
Scotty - confirmed gifter, good
KillxSwitch - confirmed lazy cop, good
Woot - the first confirmed town-aligned player I believe

Grizz - supposed thief, has played in a way that appears "town"
Deep - hmm...

Rufus - probably evil though it breaks my heart
SuperMcGee - SK or mafia

I am confident of the first 3. And I am confident of the last two. I am pretty sure Grizz is good. Dammit Grizz if you are SK/neutral AGAIN I will do something drastic. You said you "trust your investigations". You are a thief. What do you mean by that? Refresh my memory.

I don't find the way Deep has played to be particularly untrustworthy but the process of elimination just kind of puts him there.

If we lynch McGee, we either remove the SK and only have to worry about one death per night, or we get a mafioso and thin their number to 1. I think that is the right route to go for this day.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 07:45 AM
Thieves are a kind of "flavor cop" in that I steal an item allowing me to narrow down the target's role. That's why I called them "investigations."

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 07:47 AM
Can you remind me what you stole from people besides me? I know you got my gun. And I think one of your thieving jobs failed.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 07:48 AM
Also McGee, he claims to have been jailkept last night by Cigaro, we won't know until the end of the game, but it's the perfect alibi if he killed him as well.

I don't know for sure if I was jailkept, I was just assuming it was either me or SBH since my theft of SBH failed. Since I thought SBH was evil, I was making the assumption that it was me that he jailkept since there was still a mafia kill. Given that SBH was a traitor that didn't appear to have been recruited, I am no longer confident Cigaro jailkept me anymore, could have gone either way honestly.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 07:50 AM
Rufus and Deep had nothing of value to steal which made me think they are townies. You had a gun which made me think you were either a cop, mafia, or SK. My theft against Gonzo and SBH failed. I still have no idea why the one on Gonzo failed but I'm guessing the SBH one failed last night because Cigaro jailkept me or him as Cig was pretty suspicious of both of us.

EDIT: Oh and I stole Scotty's dating advice.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 07:53 AM
I just think Mcgee has to be the play. I really don't know what to think about Deep and his quick attack on Rufus. That would appear to be the actions of two people that aren't aligned. There is enough suspicion on some other players that they didn't need to try that ploy. But maybe they are anyway, Rufus did suggest a compromise. Or maybe Deep isn't mafia. So... yeah. Mcgee.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 08:06 AM
Can we compromise? It seems we are both suspicious of Grizz, correct? I know McGee is as well...going that route may give us better results than either you or me getting lynched.

I know you are 100% sure that I'm evil, but I'm not. Trust me on this.

I'm thinking it has to be Grizz.


Oh look, they are bickering with each other and then they want to compromise on killing me. Kill, I think you and I both know that the mafia and SK need to work together to win this late in the game (see:Broth's lynch in SS) and the numbers are clearly on our (the town's) side right now.

I'm starting to wonder if one of the two mafia left is actually a tailor and my investigations on Rufus/Deep could have been off...

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 08:08 AM
I'm willing to go with McGee, even though he seems like the only one to kind of believe me at the moment. I guess we just have to rid the town of any one who can kill.

Unvote: DeepThreat

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 08:19 AM
Oh look, they are bickering with each other and then they want to compromise on killing me. Kill, I think you and I both know that the mafia and SK need to work together to win this late in the game (see:Broth's lynch in SS) and the numbers are clearly on our (the town's) side right now.

I'm starting to wonder if one of the two mafia left is actually a tailor and my investigations on Rufus/Deep could have been off...

Yeah, because while we were going at each other, me and Deep do have similar suspicions of you.

Especially when you gave the same results of both Deep and myself, but yet Deep seems to believe I'm 100% evil.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 08:31 AM
I don't know what to do at this point.

Reveal yourself !!

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 08:34 AM
Can a tailor prevent a thief from stealing? I thought they would be mainly looking at ******* up the investigators.

Either way, night 1 you attempted to steal from me right? Well, I'm not exactly a target on night actions, especially early on, so I'm sure why a tailor would target me anyway. Especially when you look at who is already in the Mafia...Caddy/Gow, Vidae, broth so far...much more likely to be looked at rather than me.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 08:36 AM
Rufus reveal yourself.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 08:36 AM
Yea, I'm not sure how framers/tailors would work with a thief honestly. Assuming it can affect it, I'm a lot more suspicious of my investigation of Deep anyway because, like you said, you aren't really a target early but Deep was a prime target when I looked into him.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 08:37 AM
We can deal with Rufus the next day, once we get Mcgee. We'll know more once we see who died. Of course that might be me or one of the other confirmed good guys so maybe you won't know more. But at this stage there is an element of both suspicion and doubt for Grizz, Deep, and Rufus. With Mcgee I don't see what doubt there could even be at this point.

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 08:37 AM
Rufus reveal yourself.

Citizen of Newport

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 08:40 AM
Mehhhh you can be a citizen of newport and be evil.

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 08:42 AM
Mehhhh you can be a citizen of newport and be evil.

Just like SP and TH?

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 08:45 AM
Well I did not see that. crap.

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 08:49 AM
Well I did not see that. crap.

Now who did you target last night?

Because I'm thinking that maybe you and not Grizz might have been jailkept depending on your choice. Because for both of you to come back with nothing today, just doesn't add up.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 08:50 AM
I targeted Cigaro who targeted sbh

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 08:51 AM
I targeted Cigaro who targeted sbh

Well that explains why my theft failed.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 08:53 AM
Vote Mcgee

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 08:57 AM
Well since I am leaving for work in 10 minutes, I guess I'll put McGee out of his misery.

Vote: McGee

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 09:23 AM
Final Vote Count:

McGee (2) Killswitch, Grizz, Woot, Grizz
Rufus (2) scotty, Deep
Grizz (1) McGee


with 7 remaining players, 4 votes needed for a majority.

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 09:28 AM
The crowd at the pier knew Ryan Atwood had killed people. He admitted as much. Ryan swore he was doing it for the good of the town, that he was only going after members of the Newport Beach Mafia. But with so few members of town left, Newport could not allow an admitted killer remain on the loose. The water polo team closed in on Ryan, screaming "Say Goodbye to Newport Beach, *****!"

http://abcteenteevee.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/bmkoc01.jpg

SuperMcGee - Ryan Atwood - Vigilante - Lynched

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 10:13 AM
Newport Beach awakens to a hellacious storm. Rain, hail, and large waves are thrashing the pier. The citizens fear this is a terrible omen. But when everyone is assembled, it seems everyone is present.

No deaths occurred.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:14 AM
I dunno what the hell is going but DT came back evil. Which, unless he was tailored, would make him good.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:19 AM
Killxswitch I don't trust you at all.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:25 AM
Then pay more attention because you, me, and scotty are the only ones that have been confirmed good. So far my investigations have been consistently wrong in that they are the opposite of what is actually true so maybe add DT. Which doesn't make sense, can there really be 4 townies left?

I am thinking of voting Grizz personally. I also think I hate being part of the town and would much rather be mafia in future games.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:26 AM
With that said

Vote Killxswitch

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:27 AM
How have you been proved good ?

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:28 AM
How have you been proved good ?

snicho confirmed me a while ago. Look it up.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:28 AM
Unvote kill

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:29 AM
Yeah I remember that he said that he knew your character and such.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:30 AM
Let's get Grizz then

Vote Grizz

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:30 AM
That and also this:

Killswitch is good. I can confirm he is an investigator. And we need him. The gun is interesting tho, but could make sense for his character.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:30 AM
Agreed.

vote: Grizz

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 10:31 AM
So...there's another ******* protector out there? Cool.

Vote:Grizz

GG Town.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:31 AM
Well, wait a sec.

unvote grizz

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:31 AM
There isn't another protector.

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 10:32 AM
Vote count:

Grizz (1) Woot

With 6 remaining players, 4 votes needed for a majority.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:32 AM
Grizz is evil. He just cemented it!

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 10:33 AM
There isn't another protector.

So you have a 1xAvoid Death as a tracker?

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:34 AM
Nice try killing me Grizz. I used my boat to flee and escape :) I knew it was coming soon!

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 10:36 AM
Nice try killing me Grizz. I used my boat to flee and escape :) I knew it was coming soon!

Well played sir.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:37 AM
Woot, in your quest to get rid of inactives you suggested scotty (good), CJ (good), Forenci (good), and Deep (good). You say you are a "good-looking tracker", did you track anybody last night? A lot has happened and there are pages of this thread I haven't even read. So I don't even remember why you are confirmed as good. Can you please provide your proof of goodness?

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:39 AM
Grizz just stated that he was the baddie killx!

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:40 AM
He stated he tried to kill you. That doesn't mean you are good. Grizz what is your response? Why out yourself as bad now? This is ******* weird.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:41 AM
We won the game killx just kill Grizz gosh

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 10:42 AM
Vote count:

Grizz (2) Woot, Grizz

With 6 remaining players, 4 votes needed for a majority.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 10:43 AM
He stated he tried to kill you. That doesn't mean you are good. Grizz what is your response? Why out yourself as bad now? This is ******* weird.

I fell on my sword, or gun as the case may be.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 10:44 AM
He stated he tried to kill you. That doesn't mean you are good. Grizz what is your response? Why out yourself as bad now? This is ******* weird.

The fact that he tried to kill me should tell you that I am.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 10:44 AM
You mean to tell me grizz is either the SK or mafia and there are no others? Only 4 mafia total? This seems unlikely.

But whatever. I hate being town.

vote: grizz

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 10:45 AM
Vote count:

Grizz (3) Woot, Grizz, kill

With 6 remaining players, 4 votes needed for a majority.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 10:56 AM
Wait, so did scotty give you the boat or did someone else have a gift to give? Scotty seemed really genuine about thinking he might have killed Snicho...

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm betting that Gonzo gave it to you the second night and he was lying about trying to kill vidae just to get us to lynch him. That's why he still had a kill.

EDIT 2: I think that would also explain why my theft of him failed that night, because he was giving the gift away. Its all coming together. haha

DeepThreat
07-06-2012, 11:02 AM
Lynch Grizz

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 11:13 AM
It didn't take long for the few remaining townspeople to turn on Trey Atwood. And Trey didn't even try to defend himself. "I killed four of your friends. I broke into your homes. I stole your ****." The water polo team closed in. But Trey turned the gun that killed so many others on himself.

Grizz - Trey Atwood - Thief Lynched

Town Wins.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:15 AM
http://dannybrown.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/success_baby.jpg

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 11:16 AM
Rufus I'm so sorry for ever doubting you.

Shane P. Hallam
07-06-2012, 11:17 AM
I want to know the ****** that blocked me Night 1! GG town! Yay Sandy!

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:17 AM
You had me facepalming at the end killx :p

vidae
07-06-2012, 11:17 AM
Good game town. It was closer than I thought it would be.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 11:20 AM
You had me facepalming at the end killx :p

I got pretty stupid. Just started 2nd guessing everything because I didn't think there was any way there'd be so few mafia. And I really thought there was an SK. Grizz you sneaky mother****er.

sbh15
07-06-2012, 11:20 AM
I was playing that whole game as a traitor for the mafia just waiting to get targeted. I never did, but I did my best to make a problem out of everything that Gonzo did.

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 11:21 AM
shouldnt have said you have no actions, then we might have targeted you.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 11:22 AM
I was playing that whole game as a traitor for the mafia just waiting to get targeted. I never did, but I did my best to make a problem out of everything that Gonzo did.

I targeted you the night you got jailkept. Figures, haha

vidae
07-06-2012, 11:24 AM
Town was pretty massively OP, but it was close so I'm fine with it.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:24 AM
Also I received the boat at the end Grizz. Just in time to escape from death!

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 11:25 AM
Also I received the boat at the end Grizz. Just in time to escape from death!

...so who gave it to you?

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:26 AM
I think Scotty gave it to me

fenikz
07-06-2012, 11:27 AM
Town was pretty massively OP, but it was close so I'm fine with it.

I don't think so but probably just because Gonzo was being so stupid with his power

i had a 2/22 chance of not being a townie :'( and naturally Gonzo starts the lynch mob the night I would of gotten to use it

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:29 AM
Maybe jr will give us a resume of all the night actions!

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 11:29 AM
Interesting. Would love to see how all the night actions played out this game, there are quite a few things that were kinda mindfucks to some of us.

I will say this, McGee nailed it when he said we stole the "Dating Advice" and used it to double-kill. I killed Snicho and Gonzo that night haha

TitanHope
07-06-2012, 11:33 AM
Why was there a Traitor when the mafia had no way of finding him and recruiting him?

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Also damn you vidae you had me as a follower of yours! I thought you were good

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Why was there a Traitor when the mafia had no way of finding him and recruiting him?

Three of us did have night actions in broth's stalking, my thieving, and the role blocker, plus there's the kill action. I'm guessing any of those would have recruited him.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Why was there a Traitor when the mafia had no way of finding him and recruiting him?

if they targeted him at any time he would of turned

vidae
07-06-2012, 11:36 AM
There were 4 Mafia against 18 Townies, and I had no abilities as the Godfather besides sending the kill. Townies had a Protector, Jailkeeper, Two investigators, a Vigilante, a Gifter, a Tracker, a Watcher, and some super beefy Jack of All Trades. Town was definitely OP.

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 11:38 AM
There were 4 Mafia against 18 Townies, and I had no abilities as the Godfather besides sending the kill. Townies had a Protector, Jailkeeper, Two investigators, a Vigilante, a Gifter, a Tracker, a Watcher, and some super beefy Jack of All Trades. Town was definitely OP.

But the JOAT was Gonzo which has to be some kind of equalizer since he was ****ing insane the entire time.

DeepThreat
07-06-2012, 11:38 AM
Well, ****, I almost screwed that up.

But yay town!

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 11:39 AM
Fenikz who would you have killed with your power?

I killed Renji's ass because I knew he was evil and figured I was dead that night but I also figured they would not waste a role block on me when they were killing me. I knew ******* Vidae was evil, and SBH I was surprised wasn't actually evil but he really did play like he was.

You can say I was stupid with my powers but I commuted to save my ass night one (would have died I bet). I tried to kill mafia night two. Night three I watched Snicho who I thought would be killed. Night 4 I killed mafia. Hard to use my powers any better than that.

Woot, what the **** were you doing all game. You played like a crazy person. I thought you had to be evil just with how consistently you voted to lynch good people.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 11:41 AM
But the JOAT was Gonzo which has to be some kind of equalizer since he was ****ing insane the entire time.

Explain to me how? I actually thought you may be evil just with how you ignored your investigation of IBC coming back wrong before you investigated me.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 11:43 AM
1 Vigilante
1 Protector
1 Watcher
1 Investigator
1 Gifter
1 JOAT
1 9% @ 2x Vigilante(Mother)

vs

1 Godfather(BP Serial Killer)
1 Thief
1 Stalker
1 Role Blocker
1 Traitor

fenikz
07-06-2012, 11:44 AM
And I was gonna kill vidae and gonzo with my powers

ImBrotherCain
07-06-2012, 11:44 AM
You cannot count a traitor unless it is found... He was basically a townie.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 11:45 AM
he wasn't trying to help the town win

also whats The Dean do?

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:46 AM
I played like a crazy man ?! uh

ImBrotherCain
07-06-2012, 11:46 AM
As a traitor he is a townie until he swaps. He shouldn't be counted toward the Mafia.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 11:47 AM
he wasn't trying to help the town win

also whats The Dean do?

Cigaro said he was a jailkeeper so I'm assuming that was all it did.

vidae
07-06-2012, 11:48 AM
1 Vigilante
1 Protector
1 Watcher
1 Investigator
1 Gifter
1 JOAT
1 9% @ 2x Vigilante(Mother)

vs

1 Godfather(BP Serial Killer)
1 Thief
1 Stalker
1 Role Blocker
1 Traitor

You don't count Traitor. You had two Investigators. Yeah, one was "Incompetent" but the results weren't randomed, he literally got the opposite result. That is as good as a normal Investigator once you figured it out.

Role Blocker was super helpful. Thief was solid. Stalker was ok.

The town was OP no matter how you slice it.

And for the record, I was the one that found out the song and it did give a 1x Commute, I just didn't use it. It was plausible as to why I didn't die though. Go me.

Wootylicous
07-06-2012, 11:48 AM
I was Autumn Reeser btw. Holy crap she's hot

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 11:49 AM
And I was gonna kill vidae and gonzo with my powers

So you would have failed at killing Vidae and then killed me. There is a reason you were better off dead.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 11:50 AM
we would of been better off without you gonzo no doubt

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Who was Mischa Barton? haha

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Explain to me how? I actually thought you may be evil just with how you ignored your investigation of IBC coming back wrong before you investigated me.

Your frenetic posting and accusing make it hard to make any progress. Sometimes it works out but that is just some of the **** you sling at the wall sticking. We have to wade through the rest of it.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 11:54 AM
we would of been better off without you gonzo no doubt

You are entitled to you opinion. Your opinion is wrong though. I took out GOW and went hard after Vidae all game, what did you ever do?

killxswitch
07-06-2012, 11:55 AM
I was Marissa Cooper btw. I know nothing about this show but I bet she is whiny and kind of dumb.

vidae
07-06-2012, 11:58 AM
She is insanely hot. That is all you need to know.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 11:59 AM
Your frenetic posting and accusing make it hard to make any progress. Sometimes it works out but that is just some of the **** you sling at the wall sticking. We have to wade through the rest of it.

You understand that the accusing stopped after day 2 and really only happened those days because nobody came out with info. I mean Vidae did say over and over that I was hurting the town and did a good job convincing everyone but you can't really argue with me going after Vidae, GOW, and SBH HARD. I am also amazed how confused people get in these games. To blame me for those really long ******* days is crazy talk. I was consistently posting and trying to get them finished, not my fault that nobody would vote to lynch Vidae until after I was dead.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:00 PM
you were trying to get me killed for 4 days gonzo :/

TitanHope
07-06-2012, 12:01 PM
Three of us did have night actions in broth's stalking, my thieving, and the role blocker, plus there's the kill action. I'm guessing any of those would have recruited him.

if they targeted him at any time he would of turned

I gotcha. Thanks.

Also, Traitor is 100% an anti-town role. They're put in place when there's a grey area between putting in an additional mafia member or not. The fact that the mafia didn't recruit him doesn't discount him. That's like the town saying you couldn't count Shane because he never got to reveal any investigations cause he died so early. Just because they went unused doesn't mean they weren't in the game, and if the cards unfolded differently, the mafia would have had their 5th member.

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 12:01 PM
Hey guys, I just got back home. Here are some of my thoughts.

First, I want to thank you all for participating in my first attempt at moderating one of these games. I know there were a few bumps in the road but I hope it didn't take away from the game too much. I learned a few things that I can definitely use the next time I run a mafia game.

1. The town was too overpowered.
2. I need to shut up. If people have questions, there i nothing wrong with leaving things to the imagination.
3. Modding one of these is harder than it looks from the outside.

To answer a few of your questions. In order for sbh to become a member of the mafia, the mafia had to target him. Kill, stalk, block, or thief. Unfortunately for the mafia, the one time they targeted him, he was put in detention by Cigaro.

Why did Gonzo not lose his kill? Because he attacked the Godfather. I thought if I told him his kill was lost, he would know he wasn't blocked, thus telling him Vidae was bulletproof. Since there are no good bulletproof roles, I thought that would be unfair.

Forenci was a protector. But what he didn't know was that he was an over-protector. He blocked all kill actions and 50% of all other actions. That is why Shane's investigation of Caddy failed.

Night actions coming soon.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:02 PM
I was Marissa Cooper btw. I know nothing about this show but I bet she is whiny and kind of dumb.

Damn, knew I should have went with you over woot on that last night. I was trying to kill Marissa Cooper that night because I know my character tried to rape her in the show and I was hoping it would provide a different write-up than the bullet to the head and throw you guys off.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:04 PM
I assume I would of kept my kill after targeting vidae as well then?

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:04 PM
The biggest for me was #2 and I apologize if I came at you a little too harshly, considering it was your first time.

I didn't know if SuperPacker around or not, but I was trying to plant the seed that he was around and was suspicious because he wasn't posting. Adding to the fact that Caddy got replaced but SP didn't, I thought I had a chance at swaying some people, and it looked like I actually did for a second, but then you came out and said he was inactive. It kinda messed up my strategy for that day, but it's all good.

Overall, it was an enjoyable game and I think you did a good job first time modding. I would play another JR game.

edit: And if you kill someone with a 1 shot, and you miss or are blocked, you should lose it. I think that's how most moderators do that. That's how I would have done it.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:05 PM
you were trying to get me killed for 4 days gonzo :/

To be fair you were shady as ****. REAL shady. You also tried to get me killed and were kind of repeating what was being said about me. I was wrong about you. That said considering your targets were me and Vidae you were lynched at the right time. I could not believe that people thought I was evil. After Snicho backing me up day 2 and then me calling Scotty visiting Snicho before it happened, I just had no idea what the hell the good people accusing me of being evil thought I was.

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 12:06 PM
Also to Scotty, you did not kill snicho with your kiss you gave. Here is how that worked:

If you kissed a male character (or the lesbian) they would be protected from kills because they would accept the kiss and go inside with you to have sex.

If you kisses a female character, they would be pissed and be forced to vote for you the next day.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:11 PM
I gotcha. Thanks.

Also, Traitor is 100% an anti-town role. They're put in place when there's a grey area between putting in an additional mafia member or not. The fact that the mafia didn't recruit him doesn't discount him. That's like the town saying you couldn't count Shane because he never got to reveal any investigations cause he died so early. Just because they went unused doesn't mean they weren't in the game, and if the cards unfolded differently, the mafia would have had their 5th member.

I'm sorry, I completely disagree with everything you said here.

It does us no good to have some random "evil" town member out there that we can't communicate with. Your contention is that so what, he was still anti town! but the biggest advantage the Mafia has is the ability to speak.

Would you feel the same way if the Mafia couldn't speak at night, but were all anti-town? No, of course not. It goes the same way here.

There are many anti-town roles that you don't count towards the Mafia. Serial Killer, Scavenger, Survivor, etc. A traitor, who doesn't get "recruited" is in the same vein.

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 12:16 PM
Interesting. Would love to see how all the night actions played out this game, there are quite a few things that were kinda mindfucks to some of us.

I will say this, McGee nailed it when he said we stole the "Dating Advice" and used it to double-kill. I killed Snicho and Gonzo that night haha

I know everything, Grizz.

I was running with that theory for a bit. My role made it so I had a better idea than others that there might not be a SK, and once vidae was revealed I became pretty much sure of it.

Of course, probably not a single person thought I wasn't the SK, so arguing that there was none wasn't going to help me much.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:19 PM
I know everything, Grizz.

I was running with that theory for a bit. My role made it so I had a better idea than others that there might not be a SK, and once vidae was revealed I became pretty much sure of it.

Of course, probably not a single person thought I wasn't the SK, so arguing that there was none wasn't going to help me much.

I really was rooting for you after I died. If I hadn't died I would have brought your name up as potentially being evil but your reveal sealed it. No way in my mind to you come forward as being able to kill if you are evil and knowing the show it made sense that Ryan would be vigilante. I was hoping the town would see that but it all worked out anyway.

Cigaro
07-06-2012, 12:19 PM
I didn't see anything wrong with the way Gonzo played. He got a lot of **** for claiming JOAT, but that was actually true, so you can't criticize him for that. I really don't see the problem with laying out suspicions of multiple people. The fact is, the most adamant people against him were mafia(vidae, GOW, SBH(he wanted to be mafia)) just acting that way intentionally to divide the town and get him lynched if possible, only to back away and blame Gonzo once he turned up good.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:20 PM
I wonder if I went untargeted

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:20 PM
I know everything, Grizz.

I was running with that theory for a bit. My role made it so I had a better idea than others that there might not be a SK, and once vidae was revealed I became pretty much sure of it.

Of course, probably not a single person thought I wasn't the SK, so arguing that there was none wasn't going to help me much.

I originally legitimately thought you were the SK and were just playing horribly the first few nights but once things started unfolding in discussions, I actually believed you when you said you were the vigilante which is why I was trying to push for you to die. That being said, wow, the town had a 1xVig, a full-time one, and the potential for fenikz to be a 4xVig too. I like to think that offsets the possibility of a potential 5th mafioso...haha

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:21 PM
no only a 2x vigilante, 1 kill for each daughter

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:22 PM
no only a 2x vigilante, 1 kill for each daughter

Ah, I thought you said you had 2 kills per daughter haha, even so, that's a lot of town-kills haha

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:22 PM
Still, a 1x kill (that didn't disappear when you missed with it), a Vigilante, and the potential to 2x kill.. pretty ridiculous haha.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:22 PM
I didn't see anything wrong with the way Gonzo played. He got a lot of **** for claiming JOAT, but that was actually true, so you can't criticize him for that. I really don't see the problem with laying out suspicions of multiple people. The fact is, the most adamant people against him were mafia(vidae, GOW, SBH(he wanted to be mafia)) just acting that way intentionally to divide the town and get him lynched if possible, only to back away and blame Gonzo once he turned up good.

That is why I was so sure about them really and why I used the either you are dumb or evil line haha.

I am still curious, did you in fact try to kill me night one mafia?

I think revealing early may not have been the smartest play but I really did not want to go the way of Shane and I was sure the mafia tried to kill me night one. Damn you Forenci!!!!!

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:23 PM
if traitor doesn't count as evil i don't count as good

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:23 PM
Still, a 1x kill (that didn't disappear when you missed with it), a Vigilante, and the potential to 2x kill.. pretty ridiculous haha.

Well as you saw a lot of the time townie vigilante's take out other townies.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:24 PM
That makes absolutely no sense. Fenikz, even your own town members and the person who created the gd game are saying the town was overpowered. Stop arguing this point.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:24 PM
my point is entirely valid you go argue some other point if you don't like it!

btw I like how on this forum listing facts gets construed as having opinions

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:26 PM
That makes absolutely no sense. Fenikz, even your own town members and the person who created the gd game are saying the town was overpowered. Stop arguing this point.

Just a tad OP. Just a tad. I was so incredibly frustrated a lot of the game and had so much fun as well. Would play again.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:26 PM
A tad? Okay. Three people who could kill, two who could investigate against 4 mafia, one with no powers.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:27 PM
how is BP and a murderer not a power?

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 12:27 PM
Hey guys, I just got back home. Here are some of my thoughts.

First, I want to thank you all for participating in my first attempt at moderating one of these games. I know there were a few bumps in the road but I hope it didn't take away from the game too much. I learned a few things that I can definitely use the next time I run a mafia game.

1. The town was too overpowered.
2. I need to shut up. If people have questions, there i nothing wrong with leaving things to the imagination.
3. Modding one of these is harder than it looks from the outside.

To answer a few of your questions. In order for sbh to become a member of the mafia, the mafia had to target him. Kill, stalk, block, or thief. Unfortunately for the mafia, the one time they targeted him, he was put in detention by Cigaro.

Why did Gonzo not lose his kill? Because he attacked the Godfather. I thought if I told him his kill was lost, he would know he wasn't blocked, thus telling him Vidae was bulletproof. Since there are no good bulletproof roles, I thought that would be unfair.

Forenci was a protector. But what he didn't know was that he was an over-protector. He blocked all kill actions and 50% of all other actions. That is why Shane's investigation of Caddy failed.

Night actions coming soon.
you cant just give him his kill back if he uses it on someone unless he is blocked.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:27 PM
I am still curious, did you in fact try to kill me night one mafia?


Yes. I wanted to kill Cigaro but Caddy and vidae were very much about killing you haha

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:27 PM
if traitor doesn't count as evil i don't count as good

For the record I do think this game SBH and yourself were honorary mafia.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:28 PM
I don't get why you keep claiming I was some sort of BP Serial Killer. Was I BP? Ya, but every Mafia has the ability to kill each night. Every single one. It's not like the Mafia got two kills a night, we got the standard one kill.

Stop claiming it's a power. It isn't. It's a standard thing in every single game.

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 12:29 PM
I really was rooting for you after I died. If I hadn't died I would have brought your name up as potentially being evil but your reveal sealed it. No way in my mind to you come forward as being able to kill if you are evil and knowing the show it made sense that Ryan would be vigilante. I was hoping the town would see that but it all worked out anyway.

I think we did pretty well. We both tried to kill vidae, I nabbed broth and you got Renji. I would have won if people joined me in voting Grizz a day earlier. Surprised Rufus didn't do so after suggesting it. I guess RufusMcGee was not to be. Oh well. At least nobody hurt Autumn Reeser.

Forenci was a misstep, I suppose, but there was a 90% chance he wasn't going to be around and he was a mystery at that point. May as well have everybody out in the open at that point.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:29 PM
Yes. I wanted to kill Cigaro but Caddy and vidae were very much about killing you haha

Hold up, hold up. I said I didn't want to kill Gonzo in case he was telling the truth about not being able to die at night.. Caddy said he was lying.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:30 PM
Yes. I wanted to kill Cigaro but Caddy and vidae were very much about killing you haha

******* knew it. Suck my balls Vidae and Caddy! I nearly took Caddy out night 2 but went Vidae. The damn town seems to have a hard on for Vidae every game though so I was called a crazy person when I said Vidae was bulletproof. At least I got my kill back and took out Caddy/GOW which for me was so incredibly satisfying. I could not help but laugh when people called me selfish for commuting night one.

Cigaro
07-06-2012, 12:30 PM
I was 50/50 on whether McGee was telling the truth. Like I had said in the thread, McGee seemed smarter than to just come out like that as a SK, pretty much would ruin any chance of victory. At the same time, I just wondered if that's exactly what he was thinking. But I knew he was going to target Forenci, who I suspected as being evil, so I jailkept sbh, who was using the same go after Gonzo tactic that vidae and GOW were using.

Also, watching some of the arguments at the end of the game after I died were painful. Most of the town players seemed clueless about what had happened earlier in the game half the time.

The town may have been OP, but at least in this game it didn't really take affect. The power roles really didn't reveal useful information all game, while townies like me led lynches against good guys. Really surprised to see no SK at all.

Will we be seeing roles/night actions?

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:30 PM
youre so very wrong

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 12:30 PM
I originally legitimately thought you were the SK and were just playing horribly the first few nights but once things started unfolding in discussions, I actually believed you when you said you were the vigilante which is why I was trying to push for you to die. That being said, wow, the town had a 1xVig, a full-time one, and the potential for fenikz to be a 4xVig too. I like to think that offsets the possibility of a potential 5th mafioso...haha

I so would have killed you if one of Rufus or Deep was lynched instead of me.

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 12:31 PM
Did gonzo send in his kill faster than us that night that i died? The mafia decided my moves although i didnt confirm. I think in the future, even if we are mafia, if im the roleblocker, i should still be able to choose for myself. Just saying. I wouldve blocked gonzo just to save myself.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:32 PM
******* knew it. Suck my balls Vidae and Caddy! I nearly took Caddy out night 2 but went Vidae. The damn town seems to have a hard on for Vidae every game though so I was called a crazy person when I said Vidae was bulletproof. At least I got my kill back and took out Caddy/GOW which for me was so incredibly satisfying. I could not help but laugh when people called me selfish for commuting night one.

You are seriously a dumbshit. Read what I said. I didn't want to kill you, Caddy did.

And I am going to kill you every single game I play with you from here on out for the rest of time. If you die the first night you'll know it was me. Every. single. time.

Cigaro
07-06-2012, 12:32 PM
Also I should have never dropped my thief=rolecop theory. Turns out it was spot on.

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 12:33 PM
I was 50/50 on whether McGee was telling the truth. Like I had said in the thread, McGee seemed smarter than to just come out like that as a SK, pretty much would ruin any chance of victory. At the same time, I just wondered if that's exactly what he was thinking. But I knew he was going to target Forenci, who I suspected as being evil, so I jailkept sbh, who was using the same go after Gonzo tactic that vidae and GOW were using.

Also, watching some of the arguments at the end of the game after I died were painful. Most of the town players seemed clueless about what had happened earlier in the game half the time.

The town may have been OP, but at least in this game it didn't really take affect. The power roles really didn't reveal useful information all game, while townies like me led lynches against good guys. Really surprised to see no SK at all.

Will we be seeing roles/night actions?
i mean you did get to kill half the mafia with your powers.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:33 PM
I so would have killed you if one of Rufus or Deep was lynched instead of me.

I know, that's why I had to get you lynched :-) haha

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:33 PM
I think we did pretty well. We both tried to kill vidae, I nabbed broth and you got Renji. I would have won if people joined me in voting Grizz a day earlier. Surprised Rufus didn't do so after suggesting it. I guess RufusMcGee was not to be. Oh well. At least nobody hurt Autumn Reeser.

Forenci was a misstep, I suppose, but there was a 90% chance he wasn't going to be around and he was a mystery at that point. May as well have everybody out in the open at that point.

I didn't really have a problem with that kill. I thought you nailed it earlier when you said that at the point of the game you were at there was maybe only one non bullet proof evil yet so you had a very high chance of killing someone good. Losing Forenci wasn't much of a lose really. Without Broth and GOW being killed at night the mafia has a good chance of winning so go us! SBH getting himself modkilled ended up really helping the town.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:33 PM
Also I should have never dropped my thief=rolecop theory. Turns out it was spot on.

Nah, I didn't really have investigative powers. My thieving ability really only allowed me to take items if they had them. I made up all the investigative stuff.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:34 PM
And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:36 PM
Did gonzo send in his kill faster than us that night that i died? The mafia decided my moves although i didnt confirm. I think in the future, even if we are mafia, if im the roleblocker, i should still be able to choose for myself. Just saying. I wouldve blocked gonzo just to save myself.

I sent my kill in before the day ended. Right when that day ended I sent a PM saying I was still killing you. Like I said, I was 99 percent sure you were evil at the point just with the way you had played. I had been saying all that day I was going to investigate or track because I figured I would not be protected again (damn you Forenci!) and would likely die but not be roleblocked so I needed to kill someone evil.

Who did you roleblock? Would you have really killed and roleblocked me?

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:36 PM
SBH getting himself modkilled ended up really helping the town.

Yes it did. I was trying to get McGee lynched there and then I probably would have stole from SBH again and recruited him while killing someone else.

Cigaro
07-06-2012, 12:36 PM
And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

I realized later in the game that it was perfectly possible that you won the song but didn't use it. I know you said you used it in other places, but when you were saying that at the end of the game we could ask JR to confirm, you were saying only that we ask him to confirm that you won, not that you used it.

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:37 PM
And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

Hold up. Of course I didn't know. If I wrote that I mispoke. I heavily suspected. In my mind I was either blocked or you were bulletproof. I did not believe you commuted though. Turns out you actually did win that but I did not believe it.

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 12:38 PM
I sent my kill in before the day ended. Right when that day ended I sent a PM saying I was still killing you. Like I said, I was 99 percent sure you were evil at the point just with the way you had played. I had been saying all that day I was going to investigate or track because I figured I would not be protected again (damn you Forenci!) and would likely die but not be roleblocked so I needed to kill someone evil.

Who did you roleblock? Would you have really killed and roleblocked me?
Yes i would have. I was 100% sure you wouldve attacked me, but i was out for dinner and vidae decided to let me block woot so that we can clear videa from being a Roleblocker. I didnt get a word in and vidae decided it. JR shouldve waited for my approval. it was my power afterall.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:38 PM
I realized later in the game that it was perfectly possible that you won the song but didn't use it. I know you said you used it in other places, but when you were saying that at the end of the game we could ask JR to confirm, you were saying only that we ask him to confirm that you won, not that you used it.

Yes, because he can't (or shouldn't have) confirmed anything like roles or abilities used. I was saying he would confirm it at the end of the game, not during.

TitanHope
07-06-2012, 12:38 PM
I'm sorry, I completely disagree with everything you said here.

It does us no good to have some random "evil" town member out there that we can't communicate with. Your contention is that so what, he was still anti town! but the biggest advantage the Mafia has is the ability to speak.

Would you feel the same way if the Mafia couldn't speak at night, but were all anti-town? No, of course not. It goes the same way here.

There are many anti-town roles that you don't count towards the Mafia. Serial Killer, Scavenger, Survivor, etc. A traitor, who doesn't get "recruited" is in the same vein.

IBC saying a Traitor is basically a Townie because he was never found is ludicrous, though. Lets settle on his true status, which is neutral. He can't be lined up as mafia since he's conditional, but since he could become mafia, he can't be completely dismissed. But ultimately, it's a role that benefits the mafia more than the town, and the fact that he went unused or couldn't communicate with the main faction doesn't take that away for me.

I'll agree that the town was more powerful, but I think I played one of my best games ever, so I'm pleased with myself!

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:39 PM
You are seriously a dumbshit. Read what I said. I didn't want to kill you, Caddy did.

And I am going to kill you every single game I play with you from here on out for the rest of time. If you die the first night you'll know it was me. Every. single. time.

Someone is angry. I wrote this before you said it was all Caddy. Settle down. At least I was right about you playing classic Vidae when evil :)

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 12:41 PM
IBC saying a Traitor is basically a Townie because he was never found is ludicrous, though. Lets settle on his true status, which is neutral. He can't be lined up as mafia since he's conditional, but since he could become mafia, he can't be completely dismissed. But ultimately, it's a role that benefits the mafia more than the town, and the fact that he went unused or couldn't communicate with the main faction doesn't take that away for me.

I'll agree that the town was more powerful, but I think I played one of my best games ever, so I'm pleased with myself!
i mean at best he wastes one of our abilities for a night. Its not exactly helping us.

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 12:41 PM
And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

I considered targeting you on the night I killed broth, but decided against it and ended up lucky to do so as Cigaro had jailkept you.

Then I tried the next night and of course I was the one jailkept. Bah. Was really hoping I could prove your bulletproof-ness.

Brothgar
07-06-2012, 12:42 PM
My thoughts

JR did a great job modding the game considering it was your first mod. The design was slightly flawed but you admitted to that.

I think if I'm with the town I'm going to have to kill Grizz on spec day 1 I was in awe of how he worked this game.

I was sure vidae and Caddy were in trouble several times and they escaped with their lives well done by the two of them.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:43 PM
Someone is angry. I wrote this before you said it was all Caddy. Settle down. At least I was right about you playing classic Vidae when evil :)

Like I was evil in the SS game? Oh wait. :)

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:44 PM
Like I was evil in the SS game? Oh wait. :)

That was actually awesome because I knew you weren't evil. I was right there with you going after Woot and loving every second. This game you and Caddy went after me just like we went after Woot last game which did not compute because let's be real, I don't withhold info like Woot and I am not as ******* insane as him haha.

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 12:45 PM
you are worse than him

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 12:45 PM
i mean at best he wastes one of our abilities for a night. Its not exactly helping us.

This is something I was thinking too. I had the same thing happen in the HP game when I was mafia. There were a couple guys that we could have recruited to make us a lot more powerful but at the same time, when there are soooo many power roles within the town, you have to use all of your resources blocking/framing/killing all the power roles that unless you randomly hit correctly on recruiting the player night one, those recruit triggers probably aren't happening.

Something to think about for first time mods, you can't allow triggers to be the thing that will balance the mafia/town ratio. It's actually better to set-up the game so that you think the mafia might be slightly over-powered. If that is the case, then you typically get a really good, close game.

vidae
07-06-2012, 12:46 PM
When creating a game, the Mafia should always SEEM more overpowered at the start. There are less of them (by a good margin usually).

TitanHope
07-06-2012, 12:51 PM
i mean at best he wastes one of our abilities for a night. Its not exactly helping us.

Shouldn't the mafia gladly exchange a wasted ability for adding a member, even if it's a wasted kill? Normally, you'd have the kill him in order to recruit him. JR had it setup where you could just Thief him, and you'd recruit him, and all the while you could kill someone. Sounds like a good thing to me, and had ya'll done that, it's a big boost.

Say I was the Traitor and SBH was the vanilla townie. I would have turned the Gonzo lynch, been investigated as good (or mistakenly evil) by Killswitch, and then become evil when you guys targeted to kill me. When JR created the game, he had no idea who would get which role and how events would unfold.

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Night actions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgApAmlnbiBBdHhnaUlWUVpEYnBwZUtFbE1xWjJYT mc

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 12:54 PM
So I ******* died because Forenci didn't sent in his night action day 4? God dammit. Well good work until then sir.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 12:56 PM
would of been nice if Gonzo died night 1

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 12:57 PM
You would target me, broth. How do my fists taste, *****!?

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 12:58 PM
not when he claims townie.

Brothgar
07-06-2012, 01:00 PM
I was feeling good about finding good guy role after good guy role. Just to find out that everyone had a good guy role.

vidae
07-06-2012, 01:00 PM
Shouldn't the mafia gladly exchange a wasted ability for adding a member, even if it's a wasted kill? Normally, you'd have the kill him in order to recruit him. JR had it setup where you could just Thief him, and you'd recruit him, and all the while you could kill someone. Sounds like a good thing to me, and had ya'll done that, it's a big boost.

Say I was the Traitor and SBH was the vanilla townie. I would have turned the Gonzo lynch, been investigated as good (or mistakenly evil) by Killswitch, and then become evil when you guys targeted to kill me. When JR created the game, he had no idea who would get which role and how events would unfold.

Say I was an Investigator and you were the Thief. And Fenikz was x, and Cigaro was y.

Playing that game doesn't actually do anything. :p

vidae
07-06-2012, 01:01 PM
I was feeling good about finding good guy role after good guy role. Just to find out that everyone had a good guy role.

Yeah, Stalker wasn't all that useful for us to be honest. We did find out that Shane targeted Caddy, but Shane was going to die anyway.

Not having a rolecop kind of sucked.

Shane P. Hallam
07-06-2012, 01:03 PM
Night actions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgApAmlnbiBBdHhnaUlWUVpEYnBwZUtFbE1xWjJYT mc

Why did my first investigation fail?

Gay Ork Wang
07-06-2012, 01:04 PM
forenci over protection

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 01:04 PM
Why did my first investigation fail?

Forenci apparently had a 50% chance to block any other action in addition to protecting the player from death.

Shane P. Hallam
07-06-2012, 01:05 PM
Forenci apparently had a 50% chance to block any other action in addition to protecting the player from death.

That is poop :(

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 01:11 PM
So now that this game is done, how long until Draftopia Daily News starts?

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 01:11 PM
The town had an advantage, for sure. But there were quite a few negative roles for them. Two millers and two fathers aren't helping the town.

I thought the mother was the same thing, at first. Fenikz revealing that he had vig powers outside of the thread didn't help me any.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 01:12 PM
So now that this game is done, how long until Draftopia Daily News starts?

Monday. Broth's game will have to fill the void for now. If that ends quickly, BB and I were both discussing 10-15 person quick games this weekend if we're bored haha

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 01:13 PM
The town had an advantage, for sure. But there were quite a few negative roles for them. Two millers and two fathers aren't helping the town.

I thought the mother was the same thing, at first. Fenikz revealing that he had vig powers outside of the thread didn't help me any.

Ya kind of a dick move on Fenikz' part there. Damn you Fenikz!!!

TitanHope
07-06-2012, 01:24 PM
Say I was an Investigator and you were the Thief. And Fenikz was x, and Cigaro was y.

Playing that game doesn't actually do anything. :p

People are refusing to see the game layout and the possibilities it provided, and instead focus on what happened to lead them to their opinion. As long as they do that, they'll come to a skewed conclusion. Obviously, the town will seem more powerful since the town won. If it turned out the mafia won, we'd be having a different argument. In the past, I've seen you argue against the exact same points you're making in regard to this game. It's just that in the past one, you were part of the town who had won and I was the mafia who had lost and felt the town was OP.

It's all perspective, and until people decide to see what could have been rather than what was, opinions will come out skewed.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 01:25 PM
Ya kind of a dick move on Fenikz' part there. Damn you Fenikz!!!

jrd revealed Father in the thread don't see why it's a problem

Cigaro
07-06-2012, 01:26 PM
jrd revealed Father in the thread don't see why it's a problem


Well I think that may be part of what he referred to when he said he needs to keep his mouth shut.

vidae
07-06-2012, 01:28 PM
People are refusing to see the game layout and the possibilities it provided, and instead focus on what happened to lead them to their opinion. As long as they do that, they'll come to a skewed conclusion. Obviously, the town will seem more powerful since the town won. If it turned out the mafia won, we'd be having a different argument. In the past, I've seen you argue against the exact same points you're making in regard to this game. It's just that in the past one, you were part of the town who had won and I was the mafia who had lost and felt the town was OP.

It's all perspective, and until people decide to see what could have been rather than what was, opinions will come out skewed.

Is that really what is happening when the guy who created the game and other members of the town are also saying the town was overpowered?

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 01:31 PM
Is that really what is happening when the guy who created the game and other members of the town are also saying the town was overpowered?

The town really wasn't that overpowered though. Like I said, just a tad :banana:

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 01:37 PM
All things considered, you really can't factor in triggers. Without SBH, the town was definitely OP. With SBH, the mafia may have had a better chance, sure, but I think the balance of power would still have been in the town's favor slightly. Either way, it was still an enjoyable game and I wish I would have chosen to pick someone else to kill that last night. I knew I had zero chance after wooty survived, hence the falling on my own sword thing. If I had gotten a kill that night, I was going to go after Rufus or Deep and say that I stole a gun from them. I still don't think I would have won but I was going to do my best to make it interesting haha

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 01:44 PM
I'm sorry mcgee for lynching you, I really wanted to go with grizz, but it didn't seem like anyone else wanted to go that direction.

fenikz
07-06-2012, 01:47 PM
well then i was a townie since you can't factor in triggers

CJSchneider
07-06-2012, 01:55 PM
Well, at least my team won.

Grizzlegom
07-06-2012, 01:57 PM
well then i was a townie since you can't factor in triggers

Honestly, you never got to use your ability so I really wasn't factoring it in.

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 02:02 PM
Well I think that may be part of what he referred to when he said he needs to keep his mouth shut.

That's exactly what I meant by that. I created a few new roles and when asked, I should have kept my mouth shut. Next time, I'll do that.

TitanHope
07-06-2012, 02:13 PM
Is that really what is happening when the guy who created the game and other members of the town are also saying the town was overpowered?

Yeah, pretty much cause I'm talking about the thought process.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or defend the town. Honestly. I just think it's funny how the Traitor counts as a Townie because the mafia never triggered him, and how the town was apparently given two investigators by the mod because the town, through their actions, were able to figure out Killswitch was an incompetant cop and otherwise avoid a big landmine for the town. No one wants to state that the mafia recruiting the Traitor would have been a big boost or that Killswitch's role caused him to push for Gonzo's lynching, and they don't say it because it would make their side seem better off. Some of it was just luck, and you can't go blaming the mod for bad luck.

Like I said, perhaps the town was more powerful. That's not what's interesting to me. What's interesting is how people are presenting things for their side, and I just think if people thought about how things could have gone differently, then it'll open their eyes. But no one will do that since it risks their side seeming less disadvantaged.

All of which is silly, since we all should be reaching the same conclusion, but people refuse to reach a more accurate one due to spiteful or petty desires to make their plight more sympathetic. This happens every game, and you see it in the post game comments. I'm certainly guilty of it too. Personally, I blame Gonzo.

TitanHope
07-06-2012, 02:17 PM
I don't like disagreeing with Vidae. :(

Vidaes are meant to love TH! LOVE TH!

Dr. Gonzo
07-06-2012, 02:18 PM
Scapegoat for everything bad that happens in mafia games. Always. Fact is I played a great game and proved that deduction is king. I am always baffled by how reliant people are on getting information from actions. I may not have always been right but for the most part I was :)

Also note how I never get butthurt and complain like all you fools.

vidae
07-06-2012, 02:47 PM
Yeah, pretty much cause I'm talking about the thought process.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or defend the town. Honestly. I just think it's funny how the Traitor counts as a Townie because the mafia never triggered him, and how the town was apparently given two investigators by the mod because the town, through their actions, were able to figure out Killswitch was an incompetant cop and otherwise avoid a big landmine for the town. No one wants to state that the mafia recruiting the Traitor would have been a big boost or that Killswitch's role caused him to push for Gonzo's lynching, and they don't say it because it would make their side seem better off. Some of it was just luck, and you can't go blaming the mod for bad luck.

Like I said, perhaps the town was more powerful. That's not what's interesting to me. What's interesting is how people are presenting things for their side, and I just think if people thought about how things could have gone differently, then it'll open their eyes. But no one will do that since it risks their side seeming less disadvantaged.

All of which is silly, since we all should be reaching the same conclusion, but people refuse to reach a more accurate one due to spiteful or petty desires to make their plight more sympathetic. This happens every game, and you see it in the post game comments. I'm certainly guilty of it too. Personally, I blame Gonzo.

I don't like disagreeing with Vidae. :(

Vidaes are meant to love TH! LOVE TH!

That post resonated a bit more with me than the first one, so I do get what you're saying. I understand, I just don't COMPLETELY agree is all. I can absolutely see where you're coming from, and there is nothing but love on this side of the table.

But yeah, everyone blame Gonzo and call it a day!

jrdrylie
07-06-2012, 03:10 PM
The person I was most impressed with was McGee. He didn't kill the first two night. Then the first two guys he chooses to kill are mafia members. I don't know if it was deduction or pure luck but it was still impressive.

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 03:52 PM
The person I was most impressed with was McGee. He didn't kill the first two night. Then the first two guys he chooses to kill are mafia members. I don't know if it was deduction or pure luck but it was still impressive.

I might not have been 100% sure, as I'm sure my hedged PM titles may have indicated, but I had a good feeling those two were evil. I think I did pretty well suspecting Grizz, too, though I never put my action to use on him.

Mainly, I'm just quoting you because mod praise is the best kind of praise. I often wonder how the person that knows things reacts when I make my moves. The last two games I have gone deep in, I ended up catching the last evil person in a misrepresented action, only to be lynched because people think I'm a serial killer :/

RufusMcDaniel
07-06-2012, 04:49 PM
Rufus I'm so sorry for ever doubting you.

cIcqUokPiTw

We both survived to the end, finally.

Brothgar
07-06-2012, 05:00 PM
I might not have been 100% sure, as I'm sure my hedged PM titles may have indicated, but I had a good feeling those two were evil. I think I did pretty well suspecting Grizz, too, though I never put my action to use on him.

Mainly, I'm just quoting you because mod praise is the best kind of praise. I often wonder how the person that knows things reacts when I make my moves. The last two games I have gone deep in, I ended up catching the last evil person in a misrepresented action, only to be lynched because people think I'm a serial killer :/

What gave me away? I bet it was following vidae although it wasn't intentional.

Snicho
07-06-2012, 06:31 PM
Thanks JR!

SuperMcGee
07-06-2012, 07:27 PM
What gave me away? I bet it was following vidae although it wasn't intentional.

Something is always up when you're not brothing hard. For some reason, you calling vidae a werewolf barksdale for the 1000th time caught my eye, though I won't say that actually factored into it. For the people with the worst voting habits (you all ended up being mafia) you seemed to be keeping the lowest profile and I didn't really like the way you justified your votes. Same crap I always look for.

Cigaro
07-06-2012, 07:46 PM
What gave me away? I bet it was following vidae although it wasn't intentional.

When you originally said you were sure that I had targeted CJ, I thought that was odd, but I never really thought that much about it until you ended up dead and evil.

Brothgar
07-06-2012, 07:49 PM
When you originally said you were sure that I had targeted CJ, I thought that was odd, but I never really thought that much about it until you ended up dead and evil.

I was trying to play the slight hint at the role claim. So I could claim watcher or tracker or something like that.

Caddy
07-06-2012, 07:56 PM
Yeah, Stalker wasn't all that useful for us to be honest. We did find out that Shane targeted Caddy, but Shane was going to die anyway.

Not having a rolecop kind of sucked.

I think the biggest problem was the lack of a 5th mafia member. I was expecting 5 v 17, not 4 v 18.

TitanHope
07-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Why wasn't Stalker that useful? Seems like that's a great info gathering role, and you can root out protectors by stalking high profile guys to see who targets them. Plus, it gives the mafia the ability to claim Watcher and Tracker as alibi roles.