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BeerBaron
07-06-2012, 02:07 PM
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Four Reporters Found Dead

The bodies of Draftopia Daily News senior reporters Vidae, ImBrotherCain, Grizzlegom and BeerBaron were found over the weekend following their disappearance last week.

The foursome was renown for their groundbreaking stories which often exposed corruption and scandal within major corporations and the government.

Rumors were abound that, just before their disappearance, they had stumbled onto a massive corruption scandal within the Draftopia Daily News. Foul play has long been suspected in their disappearance.

Firm evidence against the DDN is severely lacking in the case, and many are afraid to step forth against such a powerful media juggernaut with any evidence they may have.

Regardless, the DDN has recently hired a batch of new employees. Will these new employees tote the company line or will they too set out to expose the corruption and scandal that their predecessors fought so hard to uncover?

Remaining Players:

Shane
Gonzo
Cigaro
Bulldogs
Killswitch
SBH
Broth
Rufus


With 8 alive, 5 are needed for majority

DEATHS:
Day 1 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3053131&#post3053131) - CashMoneyDrew - Reader - Lynched
Night 1 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3053781&#post3053781) - JRDrylie, Editor-in-Chief - Killed
Day 2 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3054331&#post3054331) - D-Unit, Travel Writer - Mod-Killed
Night 2 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3054792&#post3054792) - Brodeur, Office Security - Killed
Day 3 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3054966&#post3054966) - Renji/GOW, Reader - Lynched
Night 3 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3055238&#post3055238) - ATL, Headline Reporter - Killed
Day 4 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3055826&#post3055826) - TitanHope, Hiring Manager - Lynched
Night 4 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3056201&#post3056201) - CJSchneider, Reader - Killed
Day 5 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3056431&#post3056431) - Forenci, Corrupt Editor - Killed
Night 5 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3056910&#post3056910) - Snicho, Office Security - Killed
Day 6 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3057459&#post3057459) - DeepThreat, Hacker - Lynched
Night 6 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3057932&#post3057932) - Caddy, ??? - Killed
Day 7 (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3058275&#post3058275) - SuperMcGee, ??? - Killed

RULES:

- THERE IS ZERO TOLERANCE FOR BREAKING ANY OF THESE RULES. DO NOT DO IT. Mod kills and future bans from our games will be the result for you.

- Vidae and Cain will be the primary moderators. Please send them BOTH all night actions unless told otherwise. BeerBaron and Grizz will assist when needed.

- DO NOT CONTACT EACH OTHER BY MEANS OUTSIDE OF THE GAME OR SANCTIONED CHATS. We will lock the discussion thread if need be and will mod-kill if need be. Plus, if you enjoy playing in these games, remember that the 4 people running it are some of the most prolific modders around. DON’T PISS US OFF OR YOU’LL BE BLACKBALLED FROM FUTURE GAMES.

- DO NOT ROLE REVEAL UNNECESSARILY. It is in violation of the spirit of the game and can ruin it very quickly. If we feel that is getting out of hand with unnecessary demands or reveals, we will take drastic steps to curb it. You have been warned. SEE RULE ADJUSTMENT (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3054797&#post3054797)

- No “if I’m evil, I’ll never play again” bull ****. No sig bets. Nothing of that type will be allowed. These violate the spirit of the game and will not be tolerated.

- All lynch and unlynch votes must be in bold. You must unlynch before changing your vote.

- Refrain from editing your posts.

- Soft cap of 24 hour Day-limits. If we can see that you are making progress, we’re willing to expand that. If things seem stuck, something drastic will happen to move us along.

- Random **** may happen. Be prepared.

- The mod color is TEAL. Do not use the mod color.

BeerBaron
07-09-2012, 09:41 AM
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Coroner's Report

Beer Danger Baron 1988-2012

Beer Danger Baron, born June 11th 1988, was killed in his home on July 7th in a suspected break in gone bad. Police still have no suspects, but it appears that Beer was able to fight off the intruder for a while with a combination of his .454 Casull revolver, mixed martial arts and pen knife. He was finally shot several times by small arms fire and was found at the bottom of his stairwell, having drug himself there after the attack. His computer was wiped of all his recent work exposing corruption in the city.

Beer was known as a hardline liberal commentator on society and has won several awards for his work with the Draftopia Daily News. He was also very active in the ACLU and a strong proponent of both universal health care and free college education. He was one of the early pioneers of online journalism and was a prolific blogger in his free time. Despite the quality of his work, he was suspended repeatedly by the DDN for articles that failed to tote the company line. When they refused to publish one of his stories, he would publish them in a separate liberal journal online under the guise "Henry T. Wadsworth." He was also know for regularly appearing on Conservative talk shows as a counter point. He is survived by his 4 ex-wives 14 children, several mistresses and an unknown number of illegitimate children.

Vidae V. Vidaeus 1982-2012

Vidae V. Vidaeus, born May 21st, 1982, was found dead in his studio apartment of an apparent poisoning on July 7th. A potent mixture of cyanide and arsenic that was found in his hair, skin and clothes has been ruled the cause of death. All of his recent work files were wiped clean from his home and office computers leading to suspected foul play. The police, however, have no leads.

Vidae was a 5 sport star athlete at Draftopia high, and was considered a prime pro prospect in fencing, water polo, chess and rochambeau at Draftopia University. A severe hand injury, reportedly from a night of intense masturbation (though never proven) caused him to miss out on a pro sports career. He took up a position with the Draftopia Daily News, mostly as a sports reporter, but evolved into more general news when it was revealed that all of the Draftopia professional sports teams were using performance enhancing drugs. (The DDN owned teams are still fighting the chargers in court to retain their 14 titles and undefeated seasons.) Vidae is survived by his overbearing elderly mother.

ImBrotherCain 1988-2012

ImBrotherCain, writer for the DDN was killed in a savage beating near his home July 7th 2012. Cain was known as real life Cupid as his love advice column seemed to work wonders evidenced by his good friend Beer "Danger" Baron. ImBrotherCain was known as a lover of the outdoors and its wildlife. During his time away from the paper he was often seen tending to his flock of sheep. BrotherCain is survived by is Parents ImFatherAdam and ImMotherEve, his brother ImBrotherAbel, his flock and one special dog Nyx. Foul play is believed to be involve in his death, as his computer was wiped of his recent work and each of his collection of thumb drives was found crushed and burnt in the street near his home.

ImBrotherCain was found savagely beaten near the fenced in pen where his flock was grazing. The Draftopia police have suspected BrotherCain's brother ImBrotherAbel of committing fratricide. He is needed for questioning and has gone missing shortly after ImBrotherCain's murder.

Please direct any leads to the Draftopia Police.

Grizzle Bear Gom 1987-2012

Grizzle Bear Gom, born March 5, 1987, was found dead on July 7th, 2012 in the DDN office. Grizzle was best known for his secretive, long work hours which resulted in masterful pieces outing the corruption that plagues our city. He was apparently working late, per usual, on a story when he was attacked at his desk. After a short struggle, it appears Grizzle was eventually impaled through the eye by a sharp memo holder sitting on his desk. His employers also note that his most recent work was wiped clean from his hard drive and all relevant paper files related to it have gone missing. Grizzle is survived by his wife of five years, Panda, and two sons, Brown and Black.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 09:43 AM
Down with corruption and censorship!

RufusMcDaniel
07-09-2012, 09:48 AM
BrotherCain is survived by is Parents ImFatherAdam and ImMotherEve, his brother ImBrotherAbel,

I couldn't help but laugh at this part...but death is not funny.

I'll miss his love advice column, those are what really made me read this paper.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 09:48 AM
Freedom of the Press!!!!!

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 09:55 AM
As a good man, I should not be killed on my birthday. Just saying.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 09:55 AM
As a good man, I should not be killed on my birthday. Just saying.

That depends. WHat are you doing to celebrate?

Caddy
07-09-2012, 09:57 AM
Wall of text :/

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 09:59 AM
Is no lynch an option in this game? I'm not usually a proponent of the no lynch but it's always good to know our options.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 09:59 AM
That depends. WHat are you doing to celebrate?

Trying to get my mom an appointment with a back specialist:erf:

vidae
07-09-2012, 10:00 AM
Is no lynch an option in this game? I'm not usually a proponent of the no lynch but it's always good to know our options.

Yes, no lynch is an option.

Caddy
07-09-2012, 10:01 AM
If the day ends within the next 7 hours when im not around, someone watch me or something. I always get targeted night 1 by scum.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 10:04 AM
Is no lynch an option in this game? I'm not usually a proponent of the no lynch but it's always good to know our options.

Yes, no lynch is an option.

I am a proponent of no lynch. Unless someone slips up on day 1, this will likely be my choice.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 10:04 AM
Based on the initial writeup, each was killed in a different fashion (shot, poisoned, beaten, and stabbed). I hope that isn't an indication that there are four different killing factions lurking out there.

Snicho
07-09-2012, 10:05 AM
Wow. They were all so young. Rest in Peace guys.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 10:12 AM
I kinda have an idea, im not sure if you guys want to try it or not.

Here it goes:

assuming we have a tracker/Watcher/cop. Come out now. BUT dont specify what you are. Dont specify if you are a tracker, a watcher or a cop. Just tell us you have investigative powers. Assuming we have a doctor he will survive day 1.

Now why come out?

Im hoping we can keep mafia on its feet. You will specify your target before going to night. Why would you do that do you say?

A number of reasons: Mafia dont know how to handle your move. If they frame or kill that person but you are a tracker, you will see it. On the other hand if they dont target him, and you are a cop, you get tampered free information, same with tracking someone. Mafia will have to decide if they are willing to waste their abilities or give you untampered information.


I dont know it sounded like a move that one could try?

And yes i know: HE IS TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO OUT HIMSELF ALREADY.

I dont. Just trying to make a suggestion for a move.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 10:13 AM
Based on the initial writeup, each was killed in a different fashion (shot, poisoned, beaten, and stabbed). I hope that isn't an indication that there are four different killing factions lurking out there.

I'm not sure about the number of factions but I thought the same, that there are probably 4 separate killers on the loose.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 10:13 AM
Well we can't role reveal, so we'd have to be careful not to get modkilled. But it is an interesting tactic.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 10:14 AM
the clue is that it wouldnt be a role reveal. You are just stating that you are actually an investigative person.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 10:15 AM
I'm not sure about the number of factions but I thought the same, that there are probably 4 separate killers on the loose.

Two mafia, serial killer, and vigilante? Or I could just be reading too much into it.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 10:16 AM
Two mafia, serial killer, and vigilante? Or I could just be reading too much into it.
i think its just one mafia. 2 mafia and a serialkiller would be way too much for a 20 man game i think

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 10:18 AM
I am expecting a lot of twists and new/modified roles in this game so I'm not going to count on this or that role yet.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 10:18 AM
Trying to get my mom an appointment with a back specialist:erf:

That is kind of a bummer so for now I will not vote to lynch you. Happy Birthday.

SuperMcGee
07-09-2012, 10:25 AM
Two mafia, serial killer, and vigilante? Or I could just be reading too much into it.

I would think you are. Vigilante wouldn't even make sense in regards to the writeup, unless one of these guys secretly partook in some shady activity (GRIZZ)

Not saying they don't exist in the game, but it would be a stretch to take something like that from the writeup.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 10:28 AM
Two mafia, serial killer, and vigilante? Or I could just be reading too much into it.

Since when has a vigilante killed on the opening day? For that matter a vigilante would be created by the opening kills.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 10:36 AM
Less speculation about the setup more talk about strategy

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 10:36 AM
Yeah, probably overthinking it.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 10:38 AM
There isn't a ton of strategy to day one unless somebody screws up. Unless killing inactives counts as strategy. I just hope we don't have any though.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 10:39 AM
About your strategy Renji, trying to get the power roles to come out early is usually viewed as a mafia move. But for a mafia member to come out on the first day like that would be a pretty brazen move. I don't know if anyone will come out as a power role, but for now, I think we can trust you.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 10:40 AM
well the clue is not to come out as the exact role you are but going with just "night action" basically

RufusMcDaniel
07-09-2012, 10:42 AM
Do we only need one of the roles you mentioned for your plan to work? Or all three?

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 10:46 AM
I do not like your strategy at all GOW. Caddy is on to something when he says he dies first night when he is good and to watch him. I die first night when I am good all the time as well so I watching me would not be a good strategy (because I am good). What if SBH or like Forenci comes out as having investigative powers? There is zero chance they would have been targeted but now we waste protection or watch on them? It is just too early. With no role revealing it is also a great way for a mafia to try and draw watch/protect away from good. I know if I were evil I would jump all over your plan and claim I have investigative powers.

At this point I am sort of leaning towards no lynch just because I know I have a role that I have never seen before and I am sure quite a few others do as well. I just don't see us nabbing a mafia day one.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 10:47 AM
Do we only need one of the roles you mentioned for your plan to work? Or all three?

I think if an investigator and a watcher came out, that would be sufficient. The watcher could watch the investigator. If he is targeted by one person and doesn't die, it is likely the protector. If he is targeted by two people, one of those is likely the killer. Not sure if I think we should do this, but it's good to talk about at least.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 10:50 AM
I think if an investigator and a watcher came out, that would be sufficient. The watcher could watch the investigator. If he is targeted by one person and doesn't die, it is likely the protector. If he is targeted by two people, one of those is likely the killer. Not sure if I think we should do this, but it's good to talk about at least.

See that is the problem though. Great way for a protector to die early. No way of telling who to protect without role revealing, the mafia will totally get in on the action as well. It would be ballsy by them but it is the perfect way to cause chaos. I just see it causing more problems than it solves.

ImBrotherCain
07-09-2012, 10:51 AM
I see your strategy being planned but I would like to mention exercise caution with role revealing. We instituted that rule for a reason and are going to be enforcing it quite strictly.

RufusMcDaniel
07-09-2012, 10:53 AM
How would we get this information from these roles because once they come and then start providing us with information, aren't they sitting ducks? Assuming we only have 1 protector.

sbh15
07-09-2012, 10:53 AM
well I don't think this plan is particularly good, most for the reasons that Gonzo outlined. if one of those roles is someone that tends to fly low, you paint that person with a bullseye for the mafia when they would otherwise go unnoticed.

not to mention the fact that at this point anyone could claim the role and our protector could end up targeting a mafia player night after night without realizing.

on top of that, whoever claims one of those roles will be an immediate target of suspicion for the exact reason that anybody could claim it. if they fail to bring back results (say, due to a role block) then they might be viewed as a faker. it would be an easy setup for the mafia to get rid of a town member by turning the town against them.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 10:56 AM
well I don't think this plan is particularly good, most for the reasons that Gonzo outlined. if one of those roles is someone that tends to fly low, you paint that person with a bullseye for the mafia when they would otherwise go unnoticed.

not to mention the fact that at this point anyone could claim the role and our protector could end up targeting a mafia player night after night without realizing.

on top of that, whoever claims one of those roles will be an immediate target of suspicion for the exact reason that anybody could claim it. if they fail to bring back results (say, due to a role block) then they might be viewed as a faker. it would be an easy setup for the mafia to get rid of a town member by turning the town against them.

I agree with all of this. Let's just move on from that idea. To many things could go wrong.

What are people's thoughts on what to do about the lynch? Once again I will say that I am leaning no lynch (obviously after everyone weighs in) but I would be all for taking out an inactive to send a message.

RufusMcDaniel
07-09-2012, 10:56 AM
At this point I am sort of leaning towards no lynch just because I know I have a role that I have never seen before and I am sure quite a few others do as well. I just don't see us nabbing a mafia day one.

This is not the Gonzo that we know and love, or hate...depends who you're with.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 11:01 AM
This is not the Gonzo that we know and love, or hate...depends who you're with.

You can all suck my dick. Seriously. You are all a bunch of children (not you though buddy) and will complain if I feel people out so by all means if someone else wants to accuse a few people and get some talk going I say go for it. As for me I am just going to ask to be watched, I have a bunch to contribute, just wait and see. If after this game I see there were some townies who didn't go full Gonzo I will call them ****** players.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 11:01 AM
I agree with all of this. Let's just move on from that idea. To many things could go wrong.

What are people's thoughts on what to do about the lynch? Once again I will say that I am leaning no lynch (obviously after everyone weighs in) but I would be all for taking out an inactive to send a message.

Like I said, I'm generally not a fan of a no lynch. But thinking about it, I can see it's merits. We always say "You don't learn anything from a no lynch." But truthfully, how often do we learn something groundbreaking from the first day lynch? And who's to say we can't learn anything from a no lynch? The more I play these games, the more I think no lynch might actually be a solid route.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 11:04 AM
Like I said, I'm generally not a fan of a no lynch. But thinking about it, I can see it's merits. We always say "You don't learn anything from a no lynch." But truthfully, how often do we learn something groundbreaking from the first day lynch? And who's to say we can't learn anything from a no lynch? The more I play these games, the more I think no lynch might actually be a solid route.

Usually I think lynching someone is better because it really does provide info. I say no lynch in this case just because there will be a few roles we have never seen before and nobody knows what the set up is. I would be interested to see someone throw some accusations out but it won't be me this time.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 11:07 AM
I see your strategy being planned but I would like to mention exercise caution with role revealing. We instituted that rule for a reason and are going to be enforcing it quite strictly.

This is a general question: does talking about an ability that I have (I am not saying I have an ability or night action, this is theoretical), or even the results of it, constitute role revealing?

Like, say I am a role cop, for instance. I investigate a person, then the next day for whatever reason I am grilled by the town for being suspicious. If I say something like "I have information on <person>, they're mafia" is that role revealing?

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 11:09 AM
Usually I think lynching someone is better because it really does provide info. I say no lynch in this case just because there will be a few roles we have never seen before and nobody knows what the set up is. I would be interested to see someone throw some accusations out but it won't be me this time.

You not throwing accusations out is kind of suspicious.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 11:09 AM
Two mafia, serial killer, and vigilante? Or I could just be reading too much into it.

Usually I think lynching someone is better because it really does provide info. I say no lynch in this case just because there will be a few roles we have never seen before and nobody knows what the set up is. I would be interested to see someone throw some accusations out but it won't be me this time.

And if they made a lick of sense, what would be your course of action?

vidae
07-09-2012, 11:13 AM
This is a general question: does talking about an ability that I have (I am not saying I have an ability or night action, this is theoretical), or even the results of it, constitute role revealing?

Like, say I am a role cop, for instance. I investigate a person, then the next day for whatever reason I am grilled by the town for being suspicious. If I say something like "I have information on <person>, they're mafia" is that role revealing?

"I have information on <person>" is okay in our eyes. Saying how you obtained said information is not. We're trying to curb role revealing because of the way this particular game is structured. Being overly open about your role could potentially ruin this game from the get go. But no, the example you gave is not something we consider to be bad.

In the future please PM these kinds of questions!

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 11:14 AM
If that's what you guys want, yes, I'll PM it, but I posted it here because I thought others would find the clarification useful.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 11:15 AM
And if they made a lick of sense, what would be your course of action?

Asking questions is always the best course of action I think. Since it is day one though I highly doubt anybody will come up with anything convincing enough for me to want to lynch someone, unless of course there is talk of lynching Caddy or GOW in which case I am all for it.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 11:17 AM
You not throwing accusations out is kind of suspicious.

You caught me. Changing up the way I play is obviously the best way to play as mafia right? Nothing better than sticking out and being seen of as suspicious when evil.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 11:25 AM
Well if it makes you fell better Gonzo, I already have begun working on some ideas based off of what has been said already, alas, me talking usually gets me killed and I think I'd prefer to hold on to what little I have and develop it more before I go blabbing.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 11:25 AM
Asking questions is always the best course of action I think. Since it is day one though I highly doubt anybody will come up with anything convincing enough for me to want to lynch someone, unless of course there is talk of lynching Caddy or GOW in which case I am all for it.



You've moved on from Shane?

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 11:27 AM
And secondly, mods, I see that there is no unnecessary role revealing rule. Can we at least agree on the fact that a Snicho role reveal is always necessary, and must be done in the mafia discussion thread?

Brothgar
07-09-2012, 11:29 AM
What's up peeps! Let's get those corrupt bastards!

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 11:30 AM
What's up peeps! Let's get those corrupt bastards!

Broth is evil.

Brothgar
07-09-2012, 11:30 AM
LOL there is no role reveal ATL's post count in this game is going to drop by 65%

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 11:34 AM
Well if it makes you fell better Gonzo, I already have begun working on some ideas based off of what has been said already, alas, me talking usually gets me killed and I think I'd prefer to hold on to what little I have and develop it more before I go blabbing.

I would love to hear it. I thought it was ******** that people went after you for talking. I was evil that game though so I wasn't about to say anything. It seems like many people here actively promote inactivity by lynching those who talk more. Maybe instead of lynching inactives we should now lynch those people. In any case thoughts never hurt so if you care to divulge I will weigh in.

You've moved on from Shane?

I **** you not I know the thread has only been one for two hours but I already almost called out Shane for being inactive haha. The feud between us may be dead.

I will say that it is odd Renji has just pushed his plan and kind of left.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 11:37 AM
And secondly, mods, I see that there is no unnecessary role revealing rule. Can we at least agree on the fact that a Snicho role reveal is always necessary, and must be done in the mafia discussion thread?

I assume Snicho is exempt from rules as long as he reveals in discussion.

Broth is evil.

I concur. I am getting a serial killer vibe from him.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 11:39 AM
Broth vs. Snicho duel anyone?

Bulldogs
07-09-2012, 12:02 PM
About time this game opens! Mafia bitches going down. To start off, I am not a fan of Renjis plan, mostly because if the watcher comes out he is as good as dead with nobody to see it. If a tracker or cop were to come out it could work, although they are essentially nullifying their ability as its pretty much guaranteed theyd be roleblocked after that. The reward of catching the roleblocker via watch could be worth it though.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 12:08 PM
I would love to hear it.

I know, but at this point it is just my spidey sense tingling. Let me look at it under the lens of voting record, then if it proves to be valid, I'll share it.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 12:09 PM
About time this game opens! Mafia bitches going down. To start off, I am not a fan of Renjis plan, mostly because if the watcher comes out he is as good as dead with nobody to see it. If a tracker or cop were to come out it could work, although they are essentially nullifying their ability as its pretty much guaranteed theyd be roleblocked after that. The reward of catching the roleblocker via watch could be worth it though.

I find it very odd that he told us his plan (which I agree isn't a good one at this point) and has said nothing since. I don't think he is mafia one one hand because he is really putting himself out there but on the other hand maybe he is mafia and with so many experienced players he knew we would dismiss the idea of him being mafia because it would be too obvious.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 12:10 PM
I know, but at this point it is just my spidey sense tingling. Let me look at it under the lens of voting record, then if it proves to be valid, I'll share it.

Sounds fair to me. Voting record is always so huge and always really helps me tell who is evil.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 12:13 PM
Sounds fair to me. Voting record is always so huge and always really helps me tell who is evil.

It's not a perfect tool, but it has its uses.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 12:15 PM
Sounds fair to me. Voting record is always so huge and always really helps me tell who is evil.

Your face is evil.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 12:18 PM
I have a couple of early reads but I don't feel it's worthy of leading a lynch train on as of now. I'll wait for more players to check in.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 12:19 PM
I find it very odd that he told us his plan (which I agree isn't a good one at this point) and has said nothing since. I don't think he is mafia one one hand because he is really putting himself out there but on the other hand maybe he is mafia and with so many experienced players he knew we would dismiss the idea of him being mafia because it would be too obvious.

Does this line of thinking remind anyone else of that scene in "The Princess Bride" where Vizzini tries to figure out which goblet the poison is in?

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 12:20 PM
Jr and Rufus need to battle. One of them is evil.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 12:21 PM
Does this line of thinking remind anyone else of that scene in "The Princess Bride" where Vizzini tries to figure out which goblet the poison is in?

All too often playing these games I feel like Vizzini.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 12:21 PM
Jr and Rufus need to battle. One of them is evil.

This is the Gonzo we all know and love! Must be Rufus because it isn't me.

RufusMcDaniel
07-09-2012, 12:26 PM
Jr and Rufus need to battle. One of them is evil.

Jr already beat me in a battle. :(

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 12:28 PM
Dr. Gonzo 13
jrdrylie 11
killxswitch 8
CJSchneider 7
*** Ork Wang 5
Brodeur 4
RufusMcDaniel 4
ATLDirtyBirds 4
Caddy 2
broth223 2
Bulldogs 1
Snicho 1
sbh15 1
SuperMcgee 1

No posts yet: Shane, Cigaro, CMD, D-Unit, TH, DeepThreat, Forenci

It is still early but I wanted to get it on the books.

sbh15
07-09-2012, 12:28 PM
thus far the players who have yet to post are Shane, Cigaro, CashMoneyDrew, D-Unit, TitanHope, DeepThreat, and Forenci. just for those of us waiting to do anything as far as no-lynching or going for an inactive are concerned. this was a quick check, but I'm pretty sure it's correct.

also, cue Gonzo calling list-making suspicious...

edit: and apparently cue killswitch making this exact same post

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 12:29 PM
Jr already beat me in a battle. :(

Yes, but you were avenged by Killswitch.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 12:29 PM
Yes, but you were avenged by Killswitch.

DAMN STRAIGHT he was!

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 12:30 PM
edit: and apparently cue killswitch making this exact same post

Mine was first so I win. But yours adds posterity so really we are all winners here.

Bulldogs
07-09-2012, 12:32 PM
I find it very odd that he told us his plan (which I agree isn't a good one at this point) and has said nothing since. I don't think he is mafia one one hand because he is really putting himself out there but on the other hand maybe he is mafia and with so many experienced players he knew we would dismiss the idea of him being mafia because it would be too obvious.

I mean, feasibly his plan COULD work, I commend him for at least taking a hard stance and going with it. However, if a watcher came out, it would be a disaster. A cop/tracker coming out is a high risk/reward scenario.

Forenci
07-09-2012, 12:32 PM
I'm here. Didn't even know the game had started, haha. I have some consistent computer access now but it won't be as consistent as I am taking two graduate classes which is fairly time consuming.

That said, I shouldn't have any excuse not to post a bit.

vidae
07-09-2012, 12:37 PM
If you're missing your role, please let IBC and I know.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 12:39 PM
I'm here and I've read up on the thread. Here are a few of my thoughts;

I kinda have an idea, im not sure if you guys want to try it or not.

Here it goes:

assuming we have a tracker/Watcher/cop. Come out now. BUT dont specify what you are. Dont specify if you are a tracker, a watcher or a cop. Just tell us you have investigative powers. Assuming we have a doctor he will survive day 1.

Now why come out?

Im hoping we can keep mafia on its feet. You will specify your target before going to night. Why would you do that do you say?

A number of reasons: Mafia dont know how to handle your move. If they frame or kill that person but you are a tracker, you will see it. On the other hand if they dont target him, and you are a cop, you get tampered free information, same with tracking someone. Mafia will have to decide if they are willing to waste their abilities or give you untampered information.


I dont know it sounded like a move that one could try?

And yes i know: HE IS TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO OUT HIMSELF ALREADY.

I dont. Just trying to make a suggestion for a move.

Not a fan of this at all. Just makes huge targets early of power players, it will provide us no direct information because of no role reveals, and even though Renji seems to show how they'll be safe the first night, there are far from guarantees of the same for later nights. All it does is line our most important players one by one to be picked off at choice.

About your strategy Renji, trying to get the power roles to come out early is usually viewed as a mafia move. But for a mafia member to come out on the first day like that would be a pretty brazen move. I don't know if anyone will come out as a power role, but for now, I think we can trust you.

Not a fan of this at all. I see no reason to presume why we can trust Renji at all. He just asked power roles to reveal themselves without any actual information to even make it worth it. Clearing him in this regard is very suspicious to me.

What's up peeps! Let's get those corrupt bastards!

I'm actually following Brody's line of thinking, whether he's serious of or not. This reminds me of the ES game where basically every single guild member at one point or another dropped that they wanted to end the tyranny of the guilds, as if saying that made them look neutral.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 12:48 PM
The thing is: trackers are hardly a power role.

I really dont see a lot of it going wrong. Even if that person is someone who would usually lay low, getting a protector protect the right people helps a lot more than him randomly protecting people.

Does it paint a target on the person? yes it does. But it would also give us quite a few stuff to work with for at least a few days. Mafia is usually hesitant to try to kill those people unless they are sure they have the protector blocked/killed/have an unblockable kill. I dont see them having an unblockable kill. This would keep the person safe for AT LEAST night 1, if not longer.

Also yes, i did leave the thread cause i was playing Dota2. Sue me!

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 12:51 PM
Not a fan of this at all. I see no reason to presume why we can trust Renji at all. He just asked power roles to reveal themselves without any actual information to even make it worth it. Clearing him in this regard is very suspicious to me.

.

I'm not clearing Renji at all. But I feel it would be really stupid for a mafia member to come out with this plan. So for now, I think it's more likely than not that he is good. If info comes out to the contrary, I'll change my tune. But for now, I'm focusing my attention elsewhere.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 12:52 PM
The thing is: trackers are hardly a power role.

I really dont see a lot of it going wrong. Even if that person is someone who would usually lay low, getting a protector protect the right people helps a lot more than him randomly protecting people.

Does it paint a target on the person? yes it does. But it would also give us quite a few stuff to work with for at least a few days. Mafia is usually hesitant to try to kill those people unless they are sure they have the protector blocked/killed/have an unblockable kill. I dont see them having an unblockable kill. This would keep the person safe for AT LEAST night 1, if not longer.

Also yes, i did leave the thread cause i was playing Dota2. Sue me!

First, how do we know its a tracker? They can't say they are a tracker, nor can they say they tracked someone. The limit of what they can do is say "I have reason to believe x is evil". Which also if the person lays out their target, whats to say that person will use their power? Mafias can usually get different people to use a kill, so they may just change their killer and not use a power, and now a mafia member has been 'cleared' by this tracker.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 12:55 PM
I'm not clearing Renji at all. But I feel it would be really stupid for a mafia member to come out with this plan. So for now, I think it's more likely than not that he is good. If info comes out to the contrary, I'll change my tune. But for now, I'm focusing my attention elsewhere.

But it is clearing Renji. When you come out and say you trust someone, you are effectively clearing them. And I see absolutely no reason to trust Renji, or clear him. Being obvious is no reason not to suspect.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 12:57 PM
Like i outlined, the thing that helps us really is the versatility since the mafia has no idea what they are dealing with.

Say Shane comes forward and says: I have a power like a watcher/tracker or a cop and i will target Gonzo. What are the options for the mafia?

If they frame gonzo, but shane is a watcher, they will see who the framer is.

if they leave him unframed, Shane will know what allegiance gonzo is. Assuming we have a watcher, he could watch shane to figure out who the protector is, or the roleblocker that i would expect to hit.

There is a number of things that could make this move interesting.

But if you guys feel like it wont work then dont do it.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 12:59 PM
But it is clearing Renji. When you come out and say you trust someone, you are effectively clearing them. And I see absolutely no reason to trust Renji, or clear him. Being obvious is no reason not to suspect.

I guess we have different definitions of clearing.

RufusMcDaniel
07-09-2012, 12:59 PM
But it is clearing Renji. When you come out and say you trust someone, you are effectively clearing them. And I see absolutely no reason to trust Renji, or clear him. Being obvious is no reason not to suspect.

Thinking this might be something to keep an eye on? I'm with jr on the whole "I don't believe that a mafia member would come out with this", but to trust him...not quite there. It is basically asking our most reliable sources of information to, and I quote, "Reveal themselves."

Also, I am gone now for most of the day, am working until 11. I will try to keep track of this on my breaks and lunch.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 01:04 PM
It would only out one role. Gives Mafia a lot mroe griefance

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 01:07 PM
Vote: No Lynch

I have to be away for a while so I might as well put this out there now. I only have gut feelings at present.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 01:14 PM
Like i outlined, the thing that helps us really is the versatility since the mafia has no idea what they are dealing with.

Say Shane comes forward and says: I have a power like a watcher/tracker or a cop and i will target Gonzo. What are the options for the mafia?

If they frame gonzo, but shane is a watcher, they will see who the framer is.

if they leave him unframed, Shane will know what allegiance gonzo is. Assuming we have a watcher, he could watch shane to figure out who the protector is, or the roleblocker that i would expect to hit.

There is a number of things that could make this move interesting.

But if you guys feel like it wont work then dont do it.

The chances of getting usable information against the mafia is extremely low on the first night. And that's the only way I see the plan being worth it. For all we know, "Shane" could be revealing himself in order to target a townie. Now we have an investigator out for little information of worth. And with all roles supposedly now focusing on "Shane" and his target, the mafia is free to roam and pick off people elsewhere, just waiting for the the right time to target "Shane" himself.

If everything went ideally, your plan would have merits. But the chances of that are too low for me to get behind.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 01:15 PM
Vote: No Lynch

This is the thing I usually promote, I see no reason to change it now. That being said, I don't want to let any inactives off the hook.

BeerBaron
07-09-2012, 01:16 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Vote (2) - CJ, Cigaro

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:18 PM
The chances of getting usable information against the mafia is extremely low on the first night. And that's the only way I see the plan being worth it. For all we know, "Shane" could be revealing himself in order to target a townie. Now we have an investigator out for little information of worth. And with all roles supposedly now focusing on "Shane" and his target, the mafia is free to roam and pick off people elsewhere, just waiting for the the right time to target "Shane" himself.

If everything went ideally, your plan would have merits. But the chances of that are too low for me to get behind.

If I were evil I would be all over coming out as having good powers. Buys a few days of you just being able to say I found nothing, when you feel like you have an idea that someone has a good power just come out and say you found out there are evil, they die, you claim you must have been framed. Waaaaaaay to easy for the strategy to be abused by evil.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 01:19 PM
The chances of getting usable information against the mafia is extremely low on the first night. And that's the only way I see the plan being worth it. For all we know, "Shane" could be revealing himself in order to target a townie. Now we have an investigator out for little information of worth. And with all roles supposedly now focusing on "Shane" and his target, the mafia is free to roam and pick off people elsewhere, just waiting for the the right time to target "Shane" himself.

If everything went ideally, your plan would have merits. But the chances of that are too low for me to get behind.
the same thing happens if we dont do it...

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:19 PM
Out of the inactives CMD I think is the one most likely to rarely post and generally be inactive. Deep is the other guy I am worried about. Hopefully they step up.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 01:21 PM
Just got caught up on the thread. I'm not a fan of Renji's idea, because of both the potential mod ramifications and the risk of an important person revealing themselves.

And though this may be unfamiliar territory for us, I still don't agree with a no lynch. It is a complete waste of a day.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Just got caught up on the thread. I'm not a fan of Renji's idea, because of both the potential mod ramifications and the risk of an important person revealing themselves.

And though this may be unfamiliar territory for us, I still don't agree with a no lynch. It is a complete waste of a day.

So throw out some names. Who should we lynch? You can't say that and suggest nothing.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 01:24 PM
the same thing happens if we dont do it...

What happens if we don't do it? Shane targets a townie? Yes, but at least "Shane" hasn't needlessly revealed himself.

Just got caught up on the thread. I'm not a fan of Renji's idea, because of both the potential mod ramifications and the risk of an important person revealing themselves.

And though this may be unfamiliar territory for us, I still don't agree with a no lynch. It is a complete waste of a day.

Because today will be so productive otherwise? In every game I've played, this is how the no lynch scenario has worked out; someone has proposed, someone else said it provides no information and everyone agrees with the second person. Come the next day, absolutely nothing about the first day's lynch gets used as evidence, meaning a good person(it has always been a good person in my experience, and numbers indicate that extreme likelihood this game as well) is dead for absolutely no reason.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 01:38 PM
I have a suspicion or two, but I think I may have talked myself into think no lynch is in fact the correct move.

Vote: No Lynch

ImBrotherCain
07-09-2012, 01:38 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Vote (3) - CJ, Cigaro, JR

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:39 PM
Vote: Deep

I am usually for no lynch. What I am against is people not answering my questions and popping in and out, contributing nothing.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 01:39 PM
Because today will be so productive otherwise? In every game I've played, this is how the no lynch scenario has worked out; someone has proposed, someone else said it provides no information and everyone agrees with the second person. Come the next day, absolutely nothing about the first day's lynch gets used as evidence, meaning a good person(it has always been a good person in my experience, and numbers indicate that extreme likelihood this game as well) is dead for absolutely no reason.

I have often seen stuff said on day one used as reason for guilt later in the game. Hell, in the OC game Gonzo and vidae were going at it from day one. Don't tell me that didn't influence anything. With the no lynch, we probably lose someone night one and are at the same spot on day two. We don't have any new info, but we have at least one less person. I don't see how that helps the town.

Honestly, the person who stands out to me as most suspicious right now is Gonzo. I have never seen him advocate a no lynch in the past. Something there seems fishy.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 01:41 PM
Vote: Deep

I am usually for no lynch. What I am against is people not answering my questions and popping in and out, contributing nothing.

I was eating ******* lunch.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:41 PM
I was eating ******* lunch.

No excuses!!! Hold up though, gonna read your last post.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 01:42 PM
No lynch should not be an option, and I really don't think Wes eating lunch constitutes a lynch either.

ImBrotherCain
07-09-2012, 01:42 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Vote (3) - CJ, Cigaro, JR
Deep (1) - Gonzo

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:44 PM
I have often seen stuff said on day one used as reason for guilt later in the game. Hell, in the OC game Gonzo and vidae were going at it from day one. Don't tell me that didn't influence anything. With the no lynch, we probably lose someone night one and are at the same spot on day two. We don't have any new info, but we have at least one less person. I don't see how that helps the town.

Honestly, the person who stands out to me as most suspicious right now is Gonzo. I have never seen him advocate a no lynch in the past. Something there seems fishy.

With a no lynch one less person dies. Really though, of all people I am the most suspicious? At least nobody can say I voted for you after you called me suspicious. If we decided to lynch I say we go for you so I won't be changing my vote.

Forenci
07-09-2012, 01:45 PM
I am against Renji's plan. He'd have to be pretty dumb if he was mafia to make a plan like that known to everyone. It doesn't clear him but it is interesting. I personally am for a no lynch myself. This is a new game and there is a lot of unknowns so I feel it's best to let things play out for one night.

Vote: No lynch

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 01:45 PM
I have often seen stuff said on day one used as reason for guilt later in the game. Hell, in the OC game Gonzo and vidae were going at it from day one. Don't tell me that didn't influence anything. With the no lynch, we probably lose someone night one and are at the same spot on day two. We don't have any new info, but we have at least one less person. I don't see how that helps the town.

Honestly, the person who stands out to me as most suspicious right now is Gonzo. I have never seen him advocate a no lynch in the past. Something there seems fishy.

No they weren't. I suggest you read that thread again.

And we lose one person and have no new information. Compared to losing two people and having no new information. I know which one I prefer.

ImBrotherCain
07-09-2012, 01:46 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (4) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, Forenci
Deep (1) - Gonzo

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 01:51 PM
No lynch is never a good idea.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 01:52 PM
No they weren't. I suggest you read that thread again.

And we lose one person and have no new information. Compared to losing two people and having no new information. I know which one I prefer.

We don't have no new information. That's completely false.

Look at what Gonzo said last game:

**** a no lynch is all I gots to say.

EDIT: Fixed ebonics

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:54 PM
We don't have no new information. That's completely false.

Look at what Gonzo said last game:

You know if you actually read past posts you would see that I addressed that. For being one of the people who wants others to play the exact same way every game, I stand by my vote to lynch you.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 01:55 PM
We don't have no new information. That's completely false.

Look at what Gonzo said last game:

In every game I've played where no lynch was an option but not used, no new usable information came out from the lynch. That's completely true.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 01:55 PM
No lynch is never a good idea.

I think we can get just as much information from a no lynch as we can from lynching a person. We can look at who was adament about the no lynch, who was adament against it, and who tacked on a vote at the very end. This is the same way we look at lynching a random person. The only difference is that with the no lynch, we don't lynch a probable good guy.

Now if we get towards the 24 hour mark and no lynch hasn't caught any steam, I'll vote for an inactive.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:56 PM
For the record no lynch is helpful to the mafia. If I were mafia I would either be advocating a lynch or not weighing in much on the subject.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 01:56 PM
You know if you actually read past posts you would see that I addressed that. For being one of the people who wants others to play the exact same way every game, I stand by my vote to lynch you.

Your logic makes no sense to me. Every game has different roles and setups. Why choose this one for a no lynch? At this point, the majority of games seem to have some sort of twist. That doesn't mean we should no lynch.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 01:57 PM
For the record no lynch is helpful to the mafia. If I were mafia I would either be advocating a lynch or not weighing in much on the subject.

I've known this since like 50 games ago. I have no idea why people still think of doing No Lynches so early in the game. No people are obvious at this point, but it's stupid to just do nothing.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 01:57 PM
In every game I've played where no lynch was an option but not used, no new usable information came out from the lynch. That's completely true.

You know what's happened in every game I've played with a no lynch? We start from square one on day two with the same issues. No one knows who to vote for, and there is no new information. It is a complete waste of a day.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 01:58 PM
I will not vote for a no lynch.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 01:59 PM
Your logic makes no sense to me. Every game has different roles and setups. Why choose this one for a no lynch? At this point, the majority of games seem to have some sort of twist. That doesn't mean we should no lynch.

This one is VERY different from other games. You are aware how ******** lynching someone for advocating a no lynch is correct? I thought you would have somewhat legitimate suspicions and of course you don't, you go after me with bad reasoning so when I turn up good you can just claim I would have hurt the town anyway. I am usually for a lynch day one to keep things fun but I do not want to risk lynching someone with a cool role we have never seen before day one. That would be a waste.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 02:00 PM
You know what's happened in every game I've played with a no lynch? We start from square one on day two with the same issues. No one knows who to vote for, and there is no new information. It is a complete waste of a day.

That's also what happens in almost every game where someone is lynched during the first day. We have nothing to go on, an investigator is forced to come out, but usually a good guy is lynched the second day too.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:00 PM
I will not vote for a no lynch.

Join with me my friend. Let us take out Deep! I say there is a 40 percent chance he is evil.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:02 PM
This one is VERY different from other games. You are aware how ******** lynching someone for advocating a no lynch is correct? I thought you would have somewhat legitimate suspicions and of course you don't, you go after me with bad reasoning so when I turn up good you can just claim I would have hurt the town anyway. I am usually for a lynch day one to keep things fun but I do not want to risk lynching someone with a cool role we have never seen before day one. That would be a waste.

Did you see me vote for you? Please tell me where I did that, oh wise one. You voted for me for simply pointing out that you advocating a no lynch is odd, and it is. I didn't even vote for you. That is ******* brilliant.

The extent of my suspicion against you was saying your suggesting a no lynch was odd. That, and my opposition to a no lynch gets me a vote from you. You, sir, are a genius.

Now you turn to "fun" and "a waste". I don't give a **** about that. I want to win, and a no lynch hurts our chances of doing so.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:03 PM
I've known this since like 50 games ago. I have no idea why people still think of doing No Lynches so early in the game. No people are obvious at this point, but it's stupid to just do nothing.

I am with you on this. At least it gives us something and it keep things fun. Of all games I have played though this would be the one to go with a no lynch. That said I have voted to lynch someone haha.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 02:04 PM
You know what's happened in every game I've played with a no lynch? We start from square one on day two with the same issues. No one knows who to vote for, and there is no new information. It is a complete waste of a day.

Which is the exact same scenario I just laid out for a day one lynch, except the day one lynch costs us an extra person to get to the same state of cluelessness.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:04 PM
Did you see me vote for you? Please tell me where I did that, oh wise one. You voted for me for simply pointing out that you advocating a no lynch is odd, and it is. I didn't even vote for you. That is ******* brilliant.

The extent of my suspicion against you was saying your suggesting a no lynch was odd. That, and my opposition to a no lynch gets me a vote from you. You, sir, are a genius.

Now you turn to "fun" and "a waste". I don't give a **** about that. I want to win, and a no lynch hurts our chances of doing so.

Hey bud, I voted for you before you said anything about me. Keep up.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:05 PM
Which is the exact same scenario I just laid out for a day one lynch, except the day one lynch costs us an extra person to get to the same state of cluelessness.

It isn't. The information revealed on day two is always greater after a lynch than a no lynch. I've played multiple games in which both happened. People think, "Oh, we're not going to kill an innocent person. This has to be the better way." And it's complete and utter BS.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:06 PM
Hey bud, I voted for you before you said anything about me. Keep up.

And it made no sense then! I didn't respond for 10 minutes while I was eating lunch. That is what your vote is based on. This doesn't help your argument against me.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 02:06 PM
Im out for 2-3 hours

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 02:06 PM
It isn't. The information revealed on day two is always greater after a lynch than a no lynch. I've played multiple games in which both happened. People think, "Oh, we're not going to kill an innocent person. This has to be the better way." And it's complete and utter BS.


Literally never been the case in any game I've played.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:07 PM
Literally never been the case in any game I've played.

There's a reason the most experienced players (Brody, Job) always advocate a lynch. It's the much better option.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:08 PM
And it made no sense then! I didn't respond for 10 minutes while I was eating lunch. That is what your vote is based on. This doesn't help your argument against me.

15 minutes. I also just have not liked how you have approached this game. Now saying I am the only one you are suspicious of and then not voting for me. Either you don't want to start the lynch train on me because you don't want to be the first one looked into when I come up good or you want someone else to start a lynch train so you can hop on it and do what you do and lay low.

SuperMcGee
07-09-2012, 02:09 PM
I like the desired effect of Renji's plan, but not so much the plan itself. I think it's good to get the mafia second guessing. I think that sometimes is accomplished when people ask to be watched, but that does little for us if we don't know if they are good and can be a sketchy/selfish move in itself.

In every game I've played where no lynch was an option but not used, no new usable information came out from the lynch. That's completely true.

Are you saying we've never been able to gather anything from a Day 1 Lynch? I don't want to get into specifics of why that is wrong, but suffice to say I don't agree.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 02:11 PM
There's a reason the most experienced players (Brody, Job) always advocate a lynch. It's the much better option.

I couldn't care less what the 'most experienced players' advocate. That it no way makes them right.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 02:11 PM
Are you saying we've never been able to gather anything from a Day 1 Lynch? I don't want to get into specifics of why that is wrong, but suffice to say I don't agree.

Not in a game that I played where no lynch was an option, no. Its possible, but very rare, and not worth it to me.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:14 PM
15 minutes. I also just have not liked how you have approached this game. Now saying I am the only one you are suspicious of and then not voting for me. Either you don't want to start the lynch train on me because you don't want to be the first one looked into when I come up good or you want someone else to start a lynch train so you can hop on it and do what you do and lay low.

15 minutes vs 10 minutes. Who gives a ****? That is what your lynch is based on. Do you realize how incredibly stupid that is?

I didn't vote for you because I don't actually think you're evil. And if you call what I'm doing laying lower you must be really, really stupid. I am among the top posters and have been engaged in debates with two of you. How, exactly, is that laying low?

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:21 PM
Deep I don't think you are reading all posts if you think I am voting for you because you did not answer for 15 mins. Go back and read them. I am voting for you because right now of all people I think you are most likely to be evil. Not one of your arguments has made sense to me.

Grizzlegom
07-09-2012, 02:22 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (4) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, Forenci
Deep (1) - Gonzo

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 02:23 PM
Isn't Cigaro evil like 95 percent of the time?

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:23 PM
Deep I don't think you are reading all posts if you think I am voting for you because you did not answer for 15 mins. Go back and read them. I am voting for you because right now of all people I think you are most likely to be evil. Not one of your arguments has made sense to me.

What was your initial reason for voting for me? Because I didn't respond for 15 minutes.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 02:24 PM
Join with me my friend. Let us take out Deep! I say there is a 40 percent chance he is evil.


I have someone in mind that I find much more suspicious. I'm just not ready to make the play on it yet, I want to hear everyone chime in first.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:24 PM
And what arguments of mine haven't made sense? I argued against the no lynch by saying it accomplishes nothing, a sentiment you have agreed with in the past.

I said I thought it was odd you were advocating a no lynch.

What did I say that didn't make sense?

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 02:25 PM
Okay, I went back and looked at the older games and here is what I found out.

The no lynch option has been used once (The Harry Potter Game). On day two, we lynched a member of the mafia.

Somebody has been lynched on the first day 9 times. 8 times, a good guy was lynched. The other time, a neutral member was lynched. When a good guy has been lynched day one, a bad guy has been lynched day two three times, a good guy has been lynched four times, and another time, no decision could be made so the game went straight to the night phase. In the game where a neutral was lynched day one, a good guy was lynched day two.

So basically, we are almost guaranteed to lynch a good guy today. Tomorrow, we have about a 1/3 chance of lynching a bad guy. It seems to me that randomly lynching doesn't give the information some of you seem to think it does.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:27 PM
What was your initial reason for voting for me? Because I didn't respond for 15 minutes.

I didn't like your initial post and I wanted to make sure you felt a little heat and started talking. I intended in eventually changing it but nothing you have said since has convinced me to unvote for you. So you advocate a lynch, name me as the only person you are suspicious of and then you say you think I am good. Makes no sense.

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:30 PM
I didn't like your initial post and I wanted to make sure you felt a little heat and started talking. I intended in eventually changing it but nothing you have said since has convinced me to unvote for you. So you advocate a lynch, name me as the only person you are suspicious of and then you say you think I am good. Makes no sense.

Because things stay the same from post to post. You can be unbelievably dense. You got upset because I said I thought you were a little off, and now you're claiming my suspicion of you makes me suspicious. You do this in every game.

At the moment, I think Cigaro is the most off. But right now so few people are posting it's hard to get a good feel for things.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 02:33 PM
Isn't Cigaro evil like 95 percent of the time?

I've been mafia once outside of the arena games, as far as I can recall.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:35 PM
Because things stay the same from post to post. You can be unbelievably dense. You got upset because I said I thought you were a little off, and now you're claiming my suspicion of you makes me suspicious. You do this in every game.

At the moment, I think Cigaro is the most off. But right now so few people are posting it's hard to get a good feel for things.

Do you really think I am upset by your incredibly weak accusation of me. It made me laugh. You said you think I am good. Why say I am suspicious then? You are playing exactly like evil Vidae right now.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:36 PM
What made you start thinking I was good Deep?

DeepThreat
07-09-2012, 02:41 PM
What made you start thinking I was good Deep?

I don't think you would be this adamant over something if you were evil. You would be more likely to sort of fade off like Cigaro did.

And you still haven't given a reason as to why I'm evil. You say my arguments were flawed while not pointing out how they were flawed.

TitanHope
07-09-2012, 02:42 PM
I'm here, and I'm posting from my laptop that is sitting on a tipped over oscillating fan.

Cause my laptop's fan broke.

So it's really annoying to post.

So wobbly.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 02:45 PM
I don't think you would be this adamant over something if you were evil. You would be more likely to sort of fade off like Cigaro did.

And you still haven't given a reason as to why I'm evil. You say my arguments were flawed while not pointing out how they were flawed.

Because they have already been stated by Cig. I have already said it and posting from my phone so quoting is a ***** but you seem to be pushing hard for a lynch while wanting others to do your dirty work. Something I would do if I were evil.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 02:47 PM
I don't think you would be this adamant over something if you were evil. You would be more likely to sort of fade off like Cigaro did.

And you still haven't given a reason as to why I'm evil. You say my arguments were flawed while not pointing out how they were flawed.

Fade off about what? You didn't respond to my post. Am I supposed to argue with myself?

ImBrotherCain
07-09-2012, 02:48 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (4) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, Forenci
Deep (1) - Gonzo

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

killxswitch
07-09-2012, 02:56 PM
Updated post counts!

Dr. Gonzo 31 - gosh what a surprise
jrdrylie 18
DeepThreat 15
Cigaro 14
killxswitch 11
*** Ork Wang 10
Brodeur 8
CJSchneider 8
ATLDirtyBirds 6
RufusMcDaniel 6
Forenci 2
sbh15 2
Bulldogs 2
Caddy 2
broth223 2
SuperMcgee 2
TitanHope 1
Snicho 1

Non-posters so far are D-Unit, Shane, and CMD.

It was widely publicized when the game would start, so if there are any non-posters when we get close to the end of the day I think we should get rid of them. No excuse for not posting. Inactives are a detriment to the game especially later on.

If everyone posts and no new info comes out I am in favor of a no-lynch. After the back-and-forth about whether that is a viable strategy JR did the research and showed proof that it is not always a bad idea at all. If anything I think we should look closely at those that strongly believe a no-lynch is bad. Which so far is Brody (give him a break it's his birthday), Deep, and ATL.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 03:00 PM
Okay, I went back and looked at the older games and her'e is what I found out.

....

Awesome job, JR.

This isn't related to the game, but Gonzo, you always have high post counts because you argue so much LOL.

D-Unit
07-09-2012, 03:22 PM
Unfortunate timing. I'm on pins and needles following the Dwight Howard fiasco like a maniac on another Magic forum.

Sooo... I'm good this time. Take it for what it is. Willing to follow sound logic if any exists. If none, I'll go for a no lynch. The town has won many a times with a no lynch on day 1.

Brothgar
07-09-2012, 03:29 PM
OK so here's what I gathered from the first seven pages.

1. Gonzo being gonzo again. Throwing **** around seeing what sticks.
2. On the no-lynch / lynch debate it isn't a game changing move one way or another. The reason why more veteran players go against the no-lynch is because back in the day it was automatic. No conversation no anything just quick no-lynch and that would be completely useless. Getting people to talk then no lynch is a viable strategy but as of right now I'm not going to vote for it.
3. Post counting this early in the game isn't telling of anything IMO. Its still day 1 sometimes people have **** to do. Post counts at this point aren't as telling as they are later.

sbh15
07-09-2012, 03:32 PM
hey guys I actually read every post to catch up this game! based on the statistic JDR brought up, we can pretty easily see why a random lynch is an unattractive option. I generally agree that picking a random player to lynch is a dumb idea because of the low odds of finding a mafia player.

even without past evidence, it's still quite simple. in every game the town has significantly larger numbers than the mafia. basic probability dictates we end up lynching a good guy.

so unless someone comes up with something ground breaking

vote: no lynch

as for the Deep vs Gonzo bickering, am I wrong in saying this is just a classic Gonzo play? he will vote for someone who pops in out of nowhere and ask them to explain themselves. it seems that no matter what that person says he comes out with a 'well I was going to unvote you, but your response gives me no reason to change that' line. I don't know what could be taken from that, since it's typical Gonzo, but I thought I'd bring it up at least.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 03:36 PM
So Deep says I 'faded off', when I point out this makes no sense, he disappears. What gives?

TitanHope
07-09-2012, 03:36 PM
Personally, I've never loved the concept of lynching someone D1, but I can understand why some people are for it.

If you hit, then it's basically game over. You not only lynch a baddie D1, but odds are, some mafioso reveals himself in the voting process by either defending the guy or whatever. So it can reveal info, but only in the case the guy that's lynched is bad.

So the way I've always understood it is that the town can afford a D1 lynch, while the mafia really can't, so therefore the risk of lynching a townie is worth it in exchange for a shot at lynching a mafioso. But that may not be the best course of action this game where we can't role reveal.

Grizzlegom
07-09-2012, 03:38 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (5) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, Forenci, sbh
Deep (1) - Gonzo

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

D-Unit
07-09-2012, 03:44 PM
Nothing remotely sound to go off of.

Vote: No Lynch

Forenci
07-09-2012, 03:53 PM
I just think a no-lynch makes sense. Yes, in a typical game it makes more sense to lynch someone day one for the sake of getting information but in this new crazy game I feel as if waiting and seeing what happens is a good idea.

vidae
07-09-2012, 03:57 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (6) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, Forenci, sbh, D-Unit
Deep (1) - Gonzo

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

I have to run out for a little bit, but seeing as how there are three other mods for this game, it shouldn't be a problem. IF no one is around, anyone with the power to lock should do so when the majority is reached!

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:02 PM
Ugh, seriously, I am sacrificing to be here, haha. My laptop died this morning so I've been out getting medical stuff done and took my laptop to the Apple Store (I can show you the appointment if you'd like).

I went into to work to get my ****** work laptop that only runs IE. It blows and I want to hit it with a hammer. I've already typed this whole message only to have it disappear or something, blah.

I am EXTREMELY against a No Lynch. I feel it doesn't give us much to go on and won't be voting that way myself. In most other games, I have felt this way. I know CJ usually opts for a No Lynch, but I'd like to see how some of the others who are voting no lynch have opted for/against it in the past. Cigaro leads my suspicion list right now, and I want to do some digging into some old games before revealing more.

I'm pretty much going to clear Renji at this point. He wouldn't come forward with the investigator (kinda) reveals if he was mafia, I am 99% sure of that. I don't think it is an exceptional idea given the nature of this game, but I appreciate people actually SAYING things.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:03 PM
Personally, I've never loved the concept of lynching someone D1, but I can understand why some people are for it.

If you hit, then it's basically game over. You not only lynch a baddie D1, but odds are, some mafioso reveals himself in the voting process by either defending the guy or whatever. So it can reveal info, but only in the case the guy that's lynched is bad.

So the way I've always understood it is that the town can afford a D1 lynch, while the mafia really can't, so therefore the risk of lynching a townie is worth it in exchange for a shot at lynching a mafioso. But that may not be the best course of action this game where we can't role reveal.

You should look at other games at mafiascum and what not. Day 1 goes very quick. They lynch someone (usually close to random or off of a small detail,) and just go for it, moving on from there and how peopel react to the death.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 04:10 PM
I am EXTREMELY against a No Lynch. I feel it doesn't give us much to go on and won't be voting that way myself. In most other games, I have felt this way. I know CJ usually opts for a No Lynch, but I'd like to see how some of the others who are voting no lynch have opted for/against it in the past. Cigaro leads my suspicion list right now, and I want to do some digging into some old games before revealing more.


This is the first time I've advocated for the no lynch. In previous games, I've gone along with the crowd who screams "No info comes from a no lynch!" But I changed my mind after looking back at prior games and seeing that two-thirds of the time, nothing good comes from a first day lynch.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:20 PM
This is the first time I've advocated for the no lynch. In previous games, I've gone along with the crowd who screams "No info comes from a no lynch!" But I changed my mind after looking back at prior games and seeing that two-thirds of the time, nothing good comes from a first day lynch.

I appreciate you coming forward with that, but isn't the chance to nab a mafia member well worth it? It is to me, and we've seen it hit a few times actually!

D-Unit
07-09-2012, 04:27 PM
I appreciate you coming forward with that, but isn't the chance to nab a mafia member well worth it? It is to me, and we've seen it hit a few times actually!
The hard part is coming together on who to lynch without anyone having results from any night actions. Do we blindly go after someone? I don't think that's fair.

I mean, we could follow Deep's suspicion, but would we then be ready to lynch him if he's wrong?

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 04:30 PM
I appreciate you coming forward with that, but isn't the chance to nab a mafia member well worth it? It is to me, and we've seen it hit a few times actually!

I'm not sure it is. Day One, there is a 75% chance we lynch a good guy. Night one, we lose at least one (probably two if there is a Serial Killer) good guys. Then Day Two, we have a 66% chance of lynching another good guy. Put that all together and the odds are highest (about 37%) that we lose four good guys before losing a single bad guy. I don't love those odds.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:32 PM
The hard part is coming together on who to lynch without anyone having results from any night actions. Do we blindly go after someone? I don't think that's fair.

I mean, we could follow Deep's suspicion, but would we then be ready to lynch him if he's wrong?

Lynching anyone because they accused a memeber of the town usually doesn't work out. Mafia wouldn't be so vocal to toss out accusations IMO and try to hide behind a No Lynch or as Gonzo mentioned, not talking about it at all.

I'm going to go with my gut here.

Vote: Cigaro

No lynch advocate, vocal "enough" but not to the point that I trust him. I recognize that he probably won't be lynched today, but I want to put this on the record as my initial reaction to his posts.

ImBrotherCain
07-09-2012, 04:34 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (6) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, Forenci, sbh, D-Unit
Deep (1) - Gonzo
Cigaro (1) - Shane

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 04:34 PM
I appreciate you coming forward with that, but isn't the chance to nab a mafia member well worth it? It is to me, and we've seen it hit a few times actually!

Out of all games played, a mafia member has been lynched exactly one time on the first day, SP in the Frieza Saga game. The only neutral to ever be lynched on the first day was Fenikz in The Wire game. To say we've hit a few times is simply not true.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:37 PM
I'm not sure it is. Day One, there is a 75% chance we lynch a good guy. Night one, we lose at least one (probably two if there is a Serial Killer) good guys. Then Day Two, we have a 66% chance of lynching another good guy. Put that all together and the odds are highest (about 37%) that we lose four good guys before losing a single bad guy. I don't love those odds.


There will never be Above a 50% chance of lynching a mafia member, so do you think we should never lynch anyone if we don't have "concrete" information (which the past few games hasn't always been that concrete?)

You also have to take into account what we accomplish. Look at the few games when a mafia member HAS been lynched Day 1. The mafia got obliterated. I think that is worth the risk too. Add on that it does build vote counts and give information to go back to.

The worst thing we can do is do a quick no lynch. Though the day has gone on for awhile, I still want to hear more from the low posters before everyone just gives the mafia a free kill at night.

I've been mafia, and though Day 1 gives a low percentage of me dying, I still sweat bullets and focus more and more on every word I say and post I make. A full healthy 18 hour day or so makes the mafia sweat and that leads to mistakes in my mind.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:38 PM
Out of all games played, a mafia member has been lynched exactly one time on the first day, SP in the Frieza Saga game. The only neutral to ever be lynched on the first day was Fenikz in The Wire game. To say we've hit a few times is simply not true.

Star Wars game?

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 04:39 PM
Lynching anyone because they accused a memeber of the town usually doesn't work out. Mafia wouldn't be so vocal to toss out accusations IMO and try to hide behind a No Lynch or as Gonzo mentioned, not talking about it at all.

I'm going to go with my gut here.

Vote: Cigaro

No lynch advocate, vocal "enough" but not to the point that I trust him. I recognize that he probably won't be lynched today, but I want to put this on the record as my initial reaction to his posts.

If I were to vote to lynch anyone, he'd probably be my pick based on this

I'm actually following Brody's line of thinking, whether he's serious of or not. This reminds me of the ES game where basically every single guild member at one point or another dropped that they wanted to end the tyranny of the guilds, as if saying that made them look neutral.

That kind of stuck out to me when I read it earlier. But rereading it, I think I interpreted it incorrectly the first time and it doesn't strike me a suspiciously as it did when I first read it.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 04:39 PM
Star Wars game?

Was a no lynch day one. My point still stands.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 04:41 PM
There will never be Above a 50% chance of lynching a mafia member, so do you think we should never lynch anyone if we don't have "concrete" information (which the past few games hasn't always been that concrete?)

You also have to take into account what we accomplish. Look at the few games when a mafia member HAS been lynched Day 1. The mafia got obliterated. I think that is worth the risk too. Add on that it does build vote counts and give information to go back to.

The worst thing we can do is do a quick no lynch. Though the day has gone on for awhile, I still want to hear more from the low posters before everyone just gives the mafia a free kill at night.

I've been mafia, and though Day 1 gives a low percentage of me dying, I still sweat bullets and focus more and more on every word I say and post I make. A full healthy 18 hour day or so makes the mafia sweat and that leads to mistakes in my mind.
This has literally only happened once. And that game went on for 11 days. The mafia was not remotely obliterated.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:42 PM
Guess I had forgotten that, but it isn't like "information" brought about the Day 2 lynching. It's just dumb when people no lynch wanting information then don't get it and have nothing to stand on. Deduction wins this game, plain and simple, no matter the rules.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 04:43 PM
Guess I had forgotten that, but it isn't like "information" brought about the Day 2 lynching. It's just dumb when people no lynch wanting information then don't get it and have nothing to stand on. Deduction wins this game, plain and simple, no matter the rules.

And useful deduction rarely ever comes from day one, plain and simple, no matter the rules.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:43 PM
This has literally only happened once. And that game went on for 11 days. The mafia was not remotely obliterated.

That's fine, no lynch and let there be two deaths tonight. The risk is worth it, it always has been and those that have played A LOT more than us agree with that.

ImBrotherCain
07-09-2012, 04:43 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (6) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, Forenci, sbh, D-Unit
Deep (1) - Gonzo
Cigaro (1) - Shane

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 04:44 PM
That's fine, no lynch and let there be two deaths tonight. The risk is worth it, it always has been and those that have played A LOT more than us agree with that.

As I said before, I couldn't care less what those who 'have played A LOT more than us' believe. That does not make them infallible mafia gods. And I'd rather take two deaths than three and be in the same exact position.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 04:45 PM
I'll just wait for others to back me up. Arguing with you for a page won't help anything.

Snicho
07-09-2012, 05:04 PM
After catching up on the thread, Ive come to the conclusion (like most of you) that Renjis idea isnt that smartest, not in this game at least. Also, I use to always suggest a no lynch, but whenever I did I just got burned for saying it, so I'm still not sure whether it would be a good idea.And I remember playing in those games where we did No lynch, and then getting no where on day 2. For that reason I'd prefer a lynch, even if the probabilities are against us. I feel it is just that slightly more useful.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 05:08 PM
Vote Cigaro

People advocating hard for no lynch is always fishy.

Even when we kill someone good day 1, e.g. the Final Fantasy game, there were like 2 bad people trying to defend me on day1 which eventually was part that lead to scottys demise. So yea, never no lynch.

Forenci
07-09-2012, 05:15 PM
Shane has convinced me. Having played mafia, I love it when a no lynch happens. Obviously we don't want to be completely random in who we choose in fear of getting someone valuable to the town killed, but it is worth the risk.

I also like the vote for Cigaro. He's playing as he does when he's evil it seems to me. Somewhat aggressive, but not overly so.

Unvote: No lynch

Vote: Cigaro

vidae
07-09-2012, 05:23 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (5) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, sbh, D-Unit
Deep (1) - Gonzo
Cigaro (3) - Shane, Renji, Forenci

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 05:38 PM
Shane has convinced me. Having played mafia, I love it when a no lynch happens. Obviously we don't want to be completely random in who we choose in fear of getting someone valuable to the town killed, but it is worth the risk.

I also like the vote for Cigaro. He's playing as he does when he's evil it seems to me. Somewhat aggressive, but not overly so.

Unvote: No lynch

Vote: Cigaro

I've been evil once, and didn't play aggressively when I was so. I'm no vidae.

TitanHope
07-09-2012, 05:43 PM
Stats are being skewed and misrepresented, for whatever reason. I'm not taking a side in this sillyness, but the truth is, we don't know what odds there are for random lynching a mafioso. We'd have to know the number of mafia members to know that. And creating odds based on what happened in past games rather than the probability of what could happen in this game is a flawed process. I'm not sure if JR willingly overlooked that, or if he was just trying to be proactive and decided any basis for a decision was warranted, even if flawed.

But it is rather silly, because we know that lynching someone D1 isn't make or break for the town. The town lynched a protector D1 and lost a protector N1 in the Final Fantasy game, and they still beat the mafia fairly handily. It is, however, make or break for the mafia if they lose a bad guy.

We either take the risk for the massive reward, and possibly get more info in the voting process, or we play it safe, and in turn ensure we stay full strength.

I am gladly we're finally having a conversation about this, though.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 06:03 PM
vote: CMD


Come out and play buddy.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 06:14 PM
Stats are being skewed and misrepresented, for whatever reason. I'm not taking a side in this sillyness, but the truth is, we don't know what odds there are for random lynching a mafioso. We'd have to know the number of mafia members to know that. And creating odds based on what happened in past games rather than the probability of what could happen in this game is a flawed process. I'm not sure if JR willingly overlooked that, or if he was just trying to be proactive and decided any basis for a decision was warranted, even if flawed.

But it is rather silly, because we know that lynching someone D1 isn't make or break for the town. The town lynched a protector D1 and lost a protector N1 in the Final Fantasy game, and they still beat the mafia fairly handily. It is, however, make or break for the mafia if they lose a bad guy.

We either take the risk for the massive reward, and possibly get more info in the voting process, or we play it safe, and in turn ensure we stay full strength.

I am gladly we're finally having a conversation about this, though.

Not sure what to make of your speaking without saying anything, your riding the fence of the issue. You give credence to either side but seem to pick neither.

vidae
07-09-2012, 06:17 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (5) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, sbh, D-Unit
Deep (1) - Gonzo
Cigaro (3) - Shane, Renji, Forenci
CMD (1) - ATL

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 06:21 PM
Not sure what to make of your speaking without saying anything, your riding the fence of the issue. You give credence to either side but seem to pick neither.

We often hear that people who advocate strongly a no lynch or people who stay completely out of the conversation are suspicious. Maybe coming out as a fence sitter is TH's way of deflecting suspicion without taking an actual stance.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 06:25 PM
Stats are being skewed and misrepresented, for whatever reason. I'm not taking a side in this sillyness, but the truth is, we don't know what odds there are for random lynching a mafioso. We'd have to know the number of mafia members to know that. And creating odds based on what happened in past games rather than the probability of what could happen in this game is a flawed process. I'm not sure if JR willingly overlooked that, or if he was just trying to be proactive and decided any basis for a decision was warranted, even if flawed.

But it is rather silly, because we know that lynching someone D1 isn't make or break for the town. The town lynched a protector D1 and lost a protector N1 in the Final Fantasy game, and they still beat the mafia fairly handily. It is, however, make or break for the mafia if they lose a bad guy.

We either take the risk for the massive reward, and possibly get more info in the voting process, or we play it safe, and in turn ensure we stay full strength.

I am gladly we're finally having a conversation about this, though.


So, what should we do? It is time to pick a side, I'm with JR/Cigaro here. At least they have committed to SOMETHING.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 06:28 PM
We often hear that people who advocate strongly a no lynch or people who stay completely out of the conversation are suspicious. Maybe coming out as a fence sitter is TH's way of deflecting suspicion without taking an actual stance.

I don't really understand this at all. It was the same case made against CJ in the SS game that resulted in his death. And it may result in mine, judging by recent votes.

But why does supporting no lynch make one suspicious? The odds heavily favor a lynch day one for the mafia, and many support it, so any mafia member would have no problem blending in with that crowd.

Could a mafia member know this and go no lynch? Of course. But that doesn't mean that everyone who supports no lynch is doing so. There would be no basis to state that those who support are more or less likely to be evil. They are just as likely to be on either side of the argument.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 06:36 PM
I don't really understand this at all. It was the same case made against CJ in the SS game that resulted in his death. And it may result in mine, judging by recent votes.

But why does supporting no lynch make one suspicious? The odds heavily favor a lynch day one for the mafia, and many support it, so any mafia member would have no problem blending in with that crowd.

Could a mafia member know this and go no lynch? Of course. But that doesn't mean that everyone who supports no lynch is doing so. There would be no basis to state that those who support are more or less likely to be evil. They are just as likely to be on either side of the argument.

Some incredibly **** logic is being used against you. Been there. Forenci and GOW changing their vote to you is just sketchy. I understand the argument for a lynch but I find it odd people are going after you. Not to say I think you are good but TH strikes me as far more suspicious. CMD really does need to come out and play. From what I have seen he does tend to not post much at all for the first few days in games.

jrdrylie
07-09-2012, 06:48 PM
I don't really understand this at all. It was the same case made against CJ in the SS game that resulted in his death. And it may result in mine, judging by recent votes.

But why does supporting no lynch make one suspicious? The odds heavily favor a lynch day one for the mafia, and many support it, so any mafia member would have no problem blending in with that crowd.

Could a mafia member know this and go no lynch? Of course. But that doesn't mean that everyone who supports no lynch is doing so. There would be no basis to state that those who support are more or less likely to be evil. They are just as likely to be on either side of the argument.

I don't know why it causes suspicion. I just know it always does.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 06:49 PM
There will never be Above a 50% chance of lynching a mafia member,

But there is always about a 66% chance you will take out a town aligned player and not necessarily one without needed powers

I've been mafia, and though Day 1 gives a low percentage of me dying, I still sweat bullets and focus more and more on every word I say and post I make. A full healthy 18 hour day or so makes the mafia sweat and that leads to mistakes in my mind.

So we take our time with this, no one said we had to rush.

Star Wars game?


Was a no lynch day one. My point still stands.

So, you got this one wrong - no big deal, when we lynch a good guy - the consequences are bigger.

As for discrediting Cigaro with saying "players with more experience" will agree with you is also a fallacy. I have played as many of these games as you and I started this games no lynch voting, and as a result, you made note of my voting trends earlier.

I can not speak for Cigaro's alliance in this game, but I assure you, as the statistics show, lynching at random for lynching's sake is a poor choice.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 06:51 PM
lets just never lynch until we get all the information necessary

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 06:54 PM
lets just never lynch until we get all the information necessary

Data held in secret does the town no good. It is only when multiple sets of data are added together are we able to construct usable information. A no lynch each day, were initially may even have merit, would eventually give nway only once data had been released. That necessitates cooperation, a concept necessary for your initial plan to function.

Cigaro
07-09-2012, 06:55 PM
lets just never lynch until we get all the information necessary

No one said continue indefinitely, but considering day one lynches rarely ever provide any information of use, a one day delay in lynching seems of little harm to me. If we aren't going to get useful information, I see little reason to still randomly choose someone to die, who will more than likely be a townsperson.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 06:59 PM
lets just never lynch until we get all the information necessary

Do you really find Cigaro the most suspicious? What info do we get if he turns up good? Obviously nailing him if he its evil would be awesome but I just don't see it.

Brothgar
07-09-2012, 07:03 PM
We have 9 pges of information from day 1. I'd say that is a good start several people say they have suspicions. Which is also good. But forcing a lynch at this point in time doesn't seem like what is best for the town. Let the investigators act on their suspicions. But if CMD doesn't say anything today. That may be a way to look tomorrow.

Vote: No lynch

BeerBaron
07-09-2012, 07:06 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (6) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, sbh, D-Unit, broth
Deep (1) - Gonzo
Cigaro (3) - Shane, Renji, Forenci
CMD (1) - ATL

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:07 PM
We have 9 pges of information from day 1. I'd say that is a good start several people say they have suspicions. Which is also good. But forcing a lynch at this point in time doesn't seem like what is best for the town. Let the investigators act on their suspicions. But if CMD doesn't say anything today. That may be a way to look tomorrow.

Vote: No lynch

Everyone knew this was starting today. He needs to talk. Still have my eye on you Deep.

Unvote: Deep

Vote: CMD

TitanHope
07-09-2012, 07:10 PM
Not sure what to make of your speaking without saying anything, your riding the fence of the issue. You give credence to either side but seem to pick neither.

We often hear that people who advocate strongly a no lynch or people who stay completely out of the conversation are suspicious. Maybe coming out as a fence sitter is TH's way of deflecting suspicion without taking an actual stance.

So, what should we do? It is time to pick a side, I'm with JR/Cigaro here. At least they have committed to SOMETHING.

My stance is for a lynch, and I thought I kinda made it obvious with how I was pointing out the misconceptions of the no lynch, the flawed statistics, and what not.

At this point, I'm thinking Drew. He hasn't posted yet, and isn't the most active. Cigaro would be my #2 based on Shane's..."gut." *wink wink*

So yeah, if you guys want to know what I would do with throwing abandon to the wind, it'd be to vote Drew. I'd prefer to not risk the proactive players.

Vote: Drew

Grizzlegom
07-09-2012, 07:12 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (6) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, sbh, D-Unit, broth
Cigaro (3) - Shane, Renji, Forenci
CMD (3) - ATL, Gonzo, TH

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Caddy
07-09-2012, 07:17 PM
Just woke up. What did I miss?

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 07:18 PM
Just woke up. What did I miss?
people are arguing again to no lynch...

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 07:20 PM
Just woke up. What did I miss?

CMD refuses to show up, soooo...

Vote: CMD

vidae
07-09-2012, 07:21 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (6) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, sbh, D-Unit, broth
Cigaro (3) - Shane, Renji, Forenci
CMD (4) - ATL, Gonzo, TH, Brodeur

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

D-Unit
07-09-2012, 07:22 PM
people are arguing again to no lynch...
I'm definitely not against a no lynch. I just don't like the reasoning behind any of the candidates being voted so far, and I would mention someone, but nobody ever follows my recommendations, so I'm being patient until something a little more suspicious is found.

Shane P. Hallam
07-09-2012, 07:23 PM
My stance is for a lynch, and I thought I kinda made it obvious with how I was pointing out the misconceptions of the no lynch, the flawed statistics, and what not.

At this point, I'm thinking Drew. He hasn't posted yet, and isn't the most active. Cigaro would be my #2 based on Shane's..."gut." *wink wink*

So yeah, if you guys want to know what I would do with throwing abandon to the wind, it'd be to vote Drew. I'd prefer to not risk the proactive players.



Stop

.......

Caddy
07-09-2012, 07:24 PM
"I have information on <person>" is okay in our eyes. Saying how you obtained said information is not. We're trying to curb role revealing because of the way this particular game is structured. Being overly open about your role could potentially ruin this game from the get go. But no, the example you gave is not something we consider to be bad.

In the future please PM these kinds of questions!

Just so you know, you haven't said in the first post that role revealing is 'expressly' banned, just that it is 'unnecessarily' banned. That loophole will be exploited, you know that right?

D-Unit
07-09-2012, 07:27 PM
CMD refuses to show up, soooo...

Vote: CMD
What? When you're good, you usually wait for substantial evidence to emerge before voting on someone. I haven't been in a game where you have jumped on a bandwagon based off something as weak as being inactive on Day 1.

Vote: Brodeur

vidae
07-09-2012, 07:29 PM
Just so you know, you haven't said in the first post that role revealing is 'expressly' banned, just that it is 'unnecessarily' banned. That loophole will be exploited, you know that right?

If it's exploited we will mod-kill. It's that simple. Role revealing will completely destroy how this game is set up.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 07:29 PM
What? When you're good, you usually wait for substantial evidence to emerge before voting on someone. I haven't been in a game where you have jumped on a bandwagon based off something as weak as being inactive on Day 1.

Vote: Brodeur

I've done this like five times, D I don't actually want to vote for CMD, I just want him to say something and I'll unvote him.

vidae
07-09-2012, 07:30 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (5) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, sbh, broth
Cigaro (3) - Shane, Renji, Forenci
CMD (4) - ATL, Gonzo, TH, Brodeur
Brodeur (1) - D-Unit

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:36 PM
I've done this like five times, D I don't actually want to vote for CMD, I just want him to say something and I'll unvote him.

So if you unvote CMD after he speaks, who are you voting for? You have been a during proponent of a no lynch.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 07:38 PM
So if you unvote CMD after he speaks, who are you voting for? You have been a during proponent of a no lynch.

Hell if I know. I'm not sure enough of anyone, but I definitely think No Lynch is stupid.

TitanHope
07-09-2012, 07:42 PM
Stop

.......

It was a spiteful joke at your expense, so I'm sorry. It's probably more of a sensitive issue than I realize.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:43 PM
Hell if I know. I'm not sure enough of anyone, but I definitely think No Lynch is stupid.

So you would hop aboard a lynch train then. That to me its ********. I am starting to agree with D. If CMD shows up and says something that convinces me to invote I will be voting for you I think.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 07:43 PM
So you would hop aboard a lynch train then. That to me its ********. I am starting to agree with D. If CMD shows up and says something that convinces me to invote I will be voting for you I think.

This is literally what I ALWAYS do in the first, ALWAYS.

Caddy
07-09-2012, 07:44 PM
If it's exploited we will mod-kill. It's that simple. Role revealing will completely destroy how this game is set up.

Looks like I'll be getting mod killed at some point. The rule should either say it is strictly prohibited, or it is not. Otherwise we will argue non-stop over what role-revealing 'unnecessarily' actually means. Under what situation can I reveal? As the word isn't defined, I see no reason why someone who does role reveal would be mod killed for it. In fact, it would make zero sense if they were.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:44 PM
It was a spiteful joke at your expense, so I'm sorry. It's probably more of a sensitive issue than I realize.

I thought it was ******* hilarious. Someone has a guilty conscious haha.

Caddy
07-09-2012, 07:45 PM
I am against voting for CMD. The dude hasn't posted once. ONCE. He could be a cop, or a tracker, or some other uber role. Let him speak at least. If you still want to lynch him after that, then go for it.

vidae
07-09-2012, 07:45 PM
Looks like I'll be getting mod killed at some point. The rule should either say it is strictly prohibited, or it is not. Otherwise we will argue non-stop over what role-revealing 'unnecessarily' actually means. Under what situation can I reveal? As the word isn't defined, I see no reason why someone who does role reveal would be mod killed for it. In fact, it would make zero sense if they were.

I could replace you right now if you want.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 07:46 PM
I am against voting for CMD. The dude hasn't posted once. ONCE. He could be a cop, or a tracker, or some other uber role. Let him speak at least. If you still want to lynch him after that, then go for it.

I'm just voting in hope that it'll get his attention.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:46 PM
This is literally what I ALWAYS do in the first, ALWAYS.

I always think it is ********. Making others do your dirty work. I don't like it.

Caddy, quit being an asshole. Don't reveal, it's simple. If you plan on getting mod killed just find a replacement.

Caddy
07-09-2012, 07:47 PM
I could replace you right now if you want.

I just want to know what 'unnecessarily' means. You had to know someone (likely me) would look for a loophole. I always look for loopholes.

vidae
07-09-2012, 07:48 PM
I just want to know what 'unnecessarily' means. You had to know someone (likely me) would look for a loophole. I always look for loopholes.

If you're about to be lynched it isn't unnecessary. If you're sitting here on day two and go "lols I investigated <x>" then it would ruin the game we set up. It really is that simple.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 07:49 PM
I always think it is ********. Making others do your dirty work. I don't like it.

Caddy, quit being an asshole. Don't reveal, it's simple. If you plan on getting mod killed just find a replacement.

It's just sitting back and watching you argue with someone, more often than not. I still think Cigaro is suspicious, if you want to play it like that. But I'm never a fan of voting for someone so quickly unless it's an inactive and I want to get their attention.

Grizzlegom
07-09-2012, 07:53 PM
I just want to know what 'unnecessarily' means. You had to know someone (likely me) would look for a loophole. I always look for loopholes.

If anyone has any question on whether they think it is unnecessary or not, they can always PM the mods to ask. There are four of us so it shouldn't take long for one of us to respond. Use your discretion, if you think its unnecessary, it probably is. If you are on the fence about it, just ask us.

Caddy
07-09-2012, 07:54 PM
If anyone has any question on whether they think it is unnecessary or not, they can always PM the mods to ask. There are four of us so it shouldn't take long for one of us to respond. Use your discretion, if you think its unnecessary, it probably is. If you are on the fence about it, just ask us.

Viddy is getting mad at me in IRC =(

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:54 PM
It's just sitting back and watching you argue with someone, more often than not. I still think Cigaro is suspicious, if you want to play it like that. But I'm never a fan of voting for someone so quickly unless it's an inactive and I want to get their attention.

With a 24 hour cap and it getting later we should make a decision relatively soon. I can't do all the heavy lifting. So what you are saying is you are never a fan of voting people early yet you are adamantly for a lynch? Sounds like you want to sit back and watch the town fight it out among ourselves.

vidae
07-09-2012, 07:55 PM
Viddy is getting mad at me in IRC =(

Because you're acting like a knob. :)

ATLDirtyBirds
07-09-2012, 07:56 PM
Can Snicho role reveal now mods?

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:56 PM
Caddy could eat a knob at night.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 07:57 PM
Can Snicho role reveal now mods?

A Snicho reveal is never unnecessary.

Caddy
07-09-2012, 08:00 PM
Caddy could eat a knob at night.

I could, but I won't.

vote Gonzo

Grizzlegom
07-09-2012, 08:01 PM
Updated Vote Count:

No Lynch (5) - CJ, Cigaro, JR, sbh, broth
Cigaro (3) - Shane, Renji, Forenci
CMD (4) - ATL, Gonzo, TH, Brodeur
Brodeur (1) - D-Unit
Gonzo (1) - Caddy

With 21 alive, 11 are needed for majority.

Gay Ork Wang
07-09-2012, 08:02 PM
unlynch

Im going to bed.


With my last words before i sleep i curse gonzo

vote gonzo

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 08:04 PM
Great reasoning as always gents. I detect jealousy.

sbh15
07-09-2012, 08:05 PM
and now we're working backwards. the only person who I have a remote suspicion of right now is D-Unit. he popped in earlier, said he was good and gave a passable reason for not being totally invested. then he votes for Broduer because of a vote for CMD based on his inactivity. based on what I've read, it looks like ATL, Gonzo, and TH did pretty much the same thing. maybe there was something I missed, but why single out one of them specifically? some about his play just strikes me as off thus far.

CJSchneider
07-09-2012, 08:10 PM
At 245 posts, I am sure every player with a power has enough to base any of there actions on. Why we continue to ponder upon a poor choice escapes me.

Brodeur
07-09-2012, 08:10 PM
D-Unit always votes me on the first day.

D-Unit
07-09-2012, 08:35 PM
and now we're working backwards. the only person who I have a remote suspicion of right now is D-Unit. he popped in earlier, said he was good and gave a passable reason for not being totally invested. then he votes for Broduer because of a vote for CMD based on his inactivity. based on what I've read, it looks like ATL, Gonzo, and TH did pretty much the same thing. maybe there was something I missed, but why single out one of them specifically? some about his play just strikes me as off thus far.
Because what you need to watch out for are guys who will make a move to jump on board a lynch train. You don't get too curious about the 1st and 2nd guys to vote, but once it starts to move, you watch who's willing to do it... and you watch for their reason.

When I've seen Brodeur be good, he's always been really cautious of who he's voting for. He usually needs really solid evidence. So this stuck out to me.

D-Unit
07-09-2012, 08:37 PM
D-Unit always votes me on the first day.
That's completely made up and untrue. The only thing this is telling me is that you are starting to panic. I can't remember one game where this was true. ...and you couldn't find one either.

Dr. Gonzo
07-09-2012, 08:42 PM
I am against voting for CMD. The dude hasn't posted once. ONCE. He could be a cop, or a tracker, or some other uber role. Let him speak at least. If you still want to lynch him after that, then go for it.

Anybody could be anything. Posting has nothing to do with it. This reminds me of when I defended Forenci in the Sesame Street game. We were both evil.