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dregolll
07-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Both prospects had tremendous hype behind them coming out of their respective drafts. So the question is who do think goes #1 overall if they came out in the same draft and who would you take #1 if you were starting a team? Now this is based strictly on hype, no factoring in Vick's career.

K Train
07-25-2012, 08:48 PM
it would have been vick, he was a never before seen type talent. the kind of talent you hope to see revolutionize the position.

i would personally take luck, id want a more traditional passer if i was running a team but it depends if you want a guy to revolutionize playing QB or a guy that could master playing QB, in a more traditional sense

PACKmanN
07-25-2012, 08:49 PM
We saw a Vick clone in griffin and luck still was taken ahead of him

descendency
07-25-2012, 09:05 PM
We saw a Vick clone in griffin and luck still was taken ahead of him

Seriously... :facepalm:

Complex
07-25-2012, 09:06 PM
Griffin is not a Vick Clone. Luck has way more hype than Vick.

Philliez01
07-25-2012, 09:10 PM
I disagree...maybe it was because I was like 11 when Vick was drafted but I did a school project on him when I was 13.

The hype around Michael Vick was almost a sociological study. He had the potential to earn every endorsement in the air and be a Michael Jordan of the sport. I know, that sounds hyperbolic but....and I really don't want to bring race into this...but I think Vick was the first black QB to have the GIGANTIC hype that he had coming out of college.

This was a guy who was far more athletic than Kordell Stewart and a 4.3 guy at QB? I think people forget how he was thought to be one who could revolutionize the position.

TheFinisher
07-25-2012, 09:21 PM
Vick had more hype coming out, but he wasn't the first super mobile QB to grace the NFL. There was a guy named Randall Cunningham who debuted in the 80s.

FUNBUNCHER
07-25-2012, 09:23 PM
McNabb was hyped to the heavens when he left Syracuse too.
There's no question Luck would have gone ahead of Vick in every scenario imaginable.

Luck had better coaching, better grasp of the position, played in a more complex offense, he called his own plays, was bigger than Vick and a superior athlete in his own right.

And Vick was more of a playmaker at the QB position when he was at Va Tech than he was a pure QB.
IMO Vick was drafted more on pure spec and potential upside than his demonstrated ability in actual college games.
Vick was taken 1/1 by Atlanta, but I don't believe he was regarded by every NFL GM as the consensus #1 pick.

RGIII is a better pro prospect than Vick, and even he couldn't get drafted ahead of Luck.

Philliez01
07-25-2012, 09:24 PM
Vick had more hype coming out, but he wasn't the first super mobile QB to grace the NFL. There was a guy named Randall Cunningham who debuted in the 80s.

Of course, but a second-round pick from UNLV doesn't carry near the hype as the first overall pick from Va Tech. I'm surprised Cunningham didn't go the USFL route, just because of the times.

TheFinisher
07-25-2012, 09:38 PM
Of course, but a second-round pick from UNLV doesn't carry near the hype as the first overall pick from Va Tech. I'm surprised Cunningham didn't go the USFL route, just because of the times.

True, and I try to stay away from race topics, but you have to take in account of where the NFL was at in terms of how they viewed black QBs during that time period. Cunningham had the college credentials and definitely had the measurables to go higher than he did.

Vick obviously had more hype coming out though, I was just pointing out he wasn't "unlike anything we had ever seen before".

PACKmanN
07-25-2012, 11:28 PM
Seriously... :facepalm:

Explain to me how they're not physically alike because last I checked the word clone never meant playing styles.

Both are amazingly gifted athletes.

killxswitch
07-25-2012, 11:59 PM
Is Luck even that hyped still? He was before, but I think he was so overhyped that it kind of reversed course a bit and RG3 became the more hyped player a number of months ago. Expectations are high but I even live in his new city and the level of hype isn't that high. Luck's demeanor doesn't really lend itself to being hyped anyway.

descendency
07-26-2012, 12:01 AM
Explain to me how they're not physically alike because last I checked the word clone never meant playing styles.

Yes, usually when you say one is a clone of another, most people seem to mean playing style. However...

Vick has more explosion in and out of his breaks and has more natural wiggle. Vick might also be faster (not over 100m maybe, but over 40 yards), as hard as that might be to believe.

Vick is smaller.

Vick has a bigger arm.

Vick has poor accuracy and absolutely no touch to any of this throws.

Besides being both being fast and black, there isn't much similar between them.

prock
07-26-2012, 12:28 AM
Explain to me how they're not physically alike because last I checked the word clone never meant playing styles.

Both are amazingly gifted athletes.

Yes, usually when you say one is a clone of another, most people seem to mean playing style. However...

Vick has more explosion in and out of his breaks and has more natural wiggle. Vick might also be faster (not over 100m maybe, but over 40 yards), as hard as that might be to believe.

Vick is smaller.

Vick has a bigger arm.

Vick has poor accuracy and absolutely no touch to any of this throws.

Besides being both being fast and black, there isn't much similar between them.

Black and gifted athletes = clones. Duh, get your **** straight d.

Cudders
07-26-2012, 01:13 AM
“Revolutionizing” the quarterback position is one of the most overrated discussions in terms of future quarterbacks. In a perfect bubble, it’s an interesting debate, I admit. But the NFL isn’t a perfect bubble. And the quarterback position can’t be revolutionized. We’ve seen a number of jaw-dropping specimens enter the NFL now. Each of them has been tagged with the phrase “potential to revolutionize the position” and none have done it. To be an elite quarterback in the NFL, there is a core skill set that a passer needs to possess and being a stud athlete isn’t one of them. Great anticipation, high football aptitude, managing game situations, mastering the most minute details, and I’ll even throw a strong arm in there at the tail end of the list.

Those are the most important, time-tested qualities. Being an athletic freak that can improvise and extend broken snaps isn’t a reliable trait and it isn’t going to lead to someone revolutionizing the position. Because no offense is ever going to be predicated on a quarterback’s ability to improvise and play backyard football. They’re always going to expect a quarterback to do those benchmark things. In fact, the best improvisational passer in the NFL right now is Ben Roethlisberger. But no one looked at Roethlisberger coming out of a MAC school and declared that he was going to revolutionize quarterbacks. And he hasn’t. And neither has Cam Newton. If Cam continues to develop and becomes an elite quarterback in the mold of a Roethlisberger, it won’t be because he’s tall, compact, and a powerful runner when he has to be. It’ll be because he progressed in the “problem” areas. The same areas that have been around football for so long and aren’t disappearing soon.

That’s the reason I would take Andrew Luck over Michael Vick ten times out of ten in April. In that perfect bubble, Michael Vick has the higher theoretical upside. Bigger arm, better athlete, etc. After that, the rest is teachable. That’s the belief. Andrew Luck still has the higher actual ceiling though. Luck showed scouts things at Stanford that it took Vick almost a decade to do in the NFL, let alone doing it as a starter at Virginia Tech. And the things that Luck did translate a lot better to the pro passing game than the things that Vick did. Vick can have that magical moment where he escapes from a collapsing pocket and converts a first down out of thin air on a breathtaking scramble from time-to-time. Luck can sit back, manipulate the pocket, and convert first downs with his arm from drive-to-drive, quarter-to-quarter, game-to-game, season-to-season.

But that ends that rant aimed at sensationalist outlets that want to tag H/W/S quarterback prospects as transcendent even when the most critical components of their game are deficient.

In terms of media-driven excitement and interest though, I would give it to Vick. He had that wow factor. The kind that brought people to and kept them on the edge of their seats. He was one of the forefathers of “revolutionizing” the position. A good chunk of people had Luck behind RGIII when it came down to it. (And, for the record, Vick and RGIII were not that comparable as prospects. RGIII runs circles around Vick in terms of passing at the same stage in their development. And Vick was more electric and explosive than RGIII could dream of being in the open field.)

FUNBUNCHER
07-26-2012, 01:28 AM
Luck is an ATHLETIC QB. He's top 7-8 one of the most athletic QBs in the league the minute the regular season starts.
Vick/RGIII/Rogers/Newton/Luck/Locker/Tannehill/Gabbert/Tebow....not necessarily in that order.

If a QB has mastered the passing game, that additional mobility on rollouts and beyond the LOS is almost impossible to defend against.

Vikings4ever
07-26-2012, 01:47 AM
Vick was hyped as a freak athlete who was a quarterback.

Luck's been hyped as a freak quarterback who's an athlete.

I'd take the later any day.

jrdrylie
07-26-2012, 11:17 AM
If Vick had played in today's NCAA with all the spread offenses out there, he would have put up unreal numbers and would definitely been drafted over Luck.

FUNBUNCHER
07-26-2012, 12:15 PM
You can't go back and make Vick a better passer in college than he actually was.
In the exact same offense, Vick wasn't even as proficient as Tyrod Taylor was his senior year.

People forget that Vick played with one of the best defenses in the country when he was at Tech. He wasn't asked to do a lot, and he really didn't.
He played with a lot of short fields and turnovers generated by the defense.
It's not like he was scoring 2+ TDs a game.

And even if Vick was RGIII at Va Tech, I have a hard time believing an NFL GM is going to take a six foot Vick over a 6'4, 235# Luck,(4.59 speed/10'4 BJ/36 inch vert).

niel89
07-26-2012, 06:20 PM
No question for me, I take Luck every time. With Luck you say "Look at all the amazing things he is already doing," with Vick its "Imagine all the amazing things he could do."

I was a draft guy when Vick came out, but Luck's hype was immense. Mostly because he is that good.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
07-27-2012, 09:26 AM
Cam Newton anybody?

Halsey
07-27-2012, 11:43 PM
Luck would have been the easy choice ahead of Vick. Luck is bigger, taller, more polished, and less durability questions.

BamaFalcon59
07-31-2012, 11:02 PM
You can't go back and make Vick a better passer in college than he actually was.
In the exact same offense, Vick wasn't even as proficient as Tyrod Taylor was his senior year.

People forget that Vick played with one of the best defenses in the country when he was at Tech. He wasn't asked to do a lot, and he really didn't.
He played with a lot of short fields and turnovers generated by the defense.
It's not like he was scoring 2+ TDs a game.

And even if Vick was RGIII at Va Tech, I have a hard time believing an NFL GM is going to take a six foot Vick over a 6'4, 235# Luck,(4.59 speed/10'4 BJ/36 inch vert).

Vick in the Baylor offense last season would have been something to see. Big differences between Vick and RG as players and as athletes.

FUNBUNCHER
07-31-2012, 11:12 PM
Vick in the Baylor offense last season would have been something to see. Big differences between Vick and RG as players and as athletes.

Are you saying Vick was a better pro QB prospect than Griffin?? Or that Vick was a better athlete than Griffin??

Sure Vick would have been spectacular in a read option spread, but I don't think he would have been as dynamic a passer as RGIII was.

Most of the runs by the QB at Baylor were by design, so the only real difference I see is that instead of throwing for over 4K yards/72% completions/37 TDs and 6 INTs, (Vick wouldn't have approached those numbers IMO), Mike would have likely doubled RGIII's rushing numbers,(699yds, 10 TDs in 2011).

BamaFalcon59
07-31-2012, 11:51 PM
Vick would have put up similar passing numbers with the receiver talent at Baylor and the design of the passing game.

TACKLE
08-01-2012, 12:02 AM
Vick would have put up similar passing numbers with the receiver talent at Baylor and the design of the passing game.

I always wish we could have seen Vick in a Rich Rod type offense. He could've legitimately pushed for 2000 yards rushing.

descendency
08-01-2012, 06:35 AM
Vick would have put up similar passing numbers with the receiver talent at Baylor and the design of the passing game.

I don't disagree, but they are clearly different.

SolidGold
08-01-2012, 06:43 AM
I hope everyone is +++++repping Cudders - that was a great post

Denver Bronco56
08-21-2012, 10:07 PM
The hype award goes to Luck...

ESPN and internet coverage in 2012 compared to 2001 is night and day different.... the media would have hyped vick to the sun and back if he was drafted in this draft as opposed to being drafted in 01 when coverage was not near as bad as it is today.

Luck has had so much praise and he has yet to play a game yet.. i remember other #1's getting alot of love and lets just say none of them have lived up to the hype, lets see luck play before we anoint him the next best thing.

niel89
08-22-2012, 01:32 AM
The Luck hype train is pretty unstoppable right now, but its understandable. He is the best QB prospect since Manning and has looked good so far in the preseason.

Football has grown a ton lately. The draft is now a prime time event and people actually semi know who the top prospects were.

Halsey
08-22-2012, 06:48 AM
It's revisionist history to say Vick was a better prospect than Luck. There were serious questions about Vick's ability to translate into the NFL, which is why the Chargers balked at taking him. No team would have traded the rights to select Luck. Luck was the bigger, taller, more durable, more polished, more experienced prospect of the two.

killxswitch
08-22-2012, 07:48 AM
The Luck hype train is pretty unstoppable right now, but its understandable. He is the best QB prospect since Manning and has looked good so far in the preseason.

Football has grown a ton lately. The draft is now a prime time event and people actually semi know who the top prospects were.

Yeah. I wish it wasn't that way but he seems to be handling it pretty well so far. I don't think you are gonna see him on a bunch of Visa or Sony commercials like his predecessor though.

Denver Bronco56
08-22-2012, 08:13 AM
My problem with Luck is that he unlike other top QB's in the last decade has been anointed by the media, when sure he has the height, size, played in a pro style offense.... blah blah blah

Dude choked in the big games such as his outing against Oregon this year.. he hasnt stepped on the field and is already being talked about being the next Peyton Manning... give me a break, for all we know Luck could turn into the next bust or average QB which i think is far more likely then him becoming the next Peyton Manning(one of the best QB's to ever play)

The media has fallen in love with the guy and Im honestly to the point that ESPN or any other media source that thinks Luck will come in an have an impact close to Cam Newton's last year is a joke, and for him to make the colts a winning team is a joke...

He is not proven, and plays on a terrrible team...

Giantsfan1080
08-22-2012, 08:17 AM
Wasnt the complain for Peyton in college that he never won the big game? Actually that was still the complaint on him until he won his SB. It's a dumb media meme though.

Halsey
08-22-2012, 08:18 AM
My problem with Luck is that he unlike other top QB's in the last decade has been anointed by the media, when sure he has the height, size, played in a pro style offense.... blah blah blah

Dude choked in the big games

"its the mediaz fault blah blah blah he choked in big games blah blah blah"

Same rehashed criticisms get used on every top QB prospect.

Denver Bronco56
08-22-2012, 08:26 AM
"its the mediaz fault blah blah blah he choked in big games blah blah blah"

Same rehashed criticisms get used on every top QB prospect.

Ok I will give you that... but Luck somehow has gotten this "free ride" from the media and just assume he is destined for greatness... which In my opinion is for less likely then him becoming a bust/average player..

The odds of him having the impact and performance that Manning had are in my opinion far less likely then him becoming someone like Phillip Rivers or Carson Palmer...

I guess my rant is more towards the media than Luck, because of their coverage and reporting... Luck is going to one of the worst teams in the last 10 years, they are not talented. That kind of team scenario USUALLY results in what i like to call David Carr syndrome, very talented guy but with no one to throw to, no one to block for you, and no running game to help quickly makes you look terrible and rattles your confidence...

The colts could easily give luck David Carr syndrome... but the Media is quick to call him the next Peyton Manning aka first ballot hof QB

Denver Bronco56
08-22-2012, 08:27 AM
"its the mediaz fault blah blah blah he choked in big games blah blah blah"

Same rehashed criticisms get used on every top QB prospect.

And you should remember this thread is talking about HYPE, which is created by the media....

SolidGold
08-22-2012, 08:59 AM
Ok I will give you that... but Luck somehow has gotten this "free ride" from the media and just assume he is destined for greatness... which In my opinion is for less likely then him becoming a bust/average player..

The odds of him having the impact and performance that Manning had are in my opinion far less likely then him becoming someone like Phillip Rivers or Carson Palmer...

I guess my rant is more towards the media than Luck, because of their coverage and reporting... Luck is going to one of the worst teams in the last 10 years, they are not talented. That kind of team scenario USUALLY results in what i like to call David Carr syndrome, very talented guy but with no one to throw to, no one to block for you, and no running game to help quickly makes you look terrible and rattles your confidence...

The colts could easily give luck David Carr syndrome... but the Media is quick to call him the next Peyton Manning aka first ballot hof QB

I'd say the media is hyping up Griffin much more than Luck.

killxswitch
08-22-2012, 09:45 AM
Ok I will give you that... but Luck somehow has gotten this "free ride" from the media and just assume he is destined for greatness... which In my opinion is for less likely then him becoming a bust/average player..

The odds of him having the impact and performance that Manning had are in my opinion far less likely then him becoming someone like Phillip Rivers or Carson Palmer...

I guess my rant is more towards the media than Luck, because of their coverage and reporting... Luck is going to one of the worst teams in the last 10 years, they are not talented. That kind of team scenario USUALLY results in what i like to call David Carr syndrome, very talented guy but with no one to throw to, no one to block for you, and no running game to help quickly makes you look terrible and rattles your confidence...

The colts could easily give luck David Carr syndrome... but the Media is quick to call him the next Peyton Manning aka first ballot hof QB

For someone that hates the media you are taking them at their word way too much when it comes to the Colts chances this year. I've seen some idiots saying the Colts will get the first pick in the draft again this year. What these fools fail to realize is that we only barely got the first pick LAST year. It came down to the final quarter of the final game. That was with Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, and Dan Orlovsky throwing the ball and one of the worst defenses in NFL history.

The 2012 Colts are more talented than the 2011 Colts at every position on offense except WR. They are better-coached and have a better GM. They have a defensive scheme that can actually be successful. People expecting another 2-win season are going to be surprised or disappointed or both.

Denver Bronco56
08-22-2012, 10:28 AM
I may be wrong, but before Manning was a bronco I felt the clear MVP of last NFL season was #18, the almost exact team from the year before looked TERRIBLE without him playing... that being said I dont expect Luck to be able to restore the 10+ wins.


Sure Luck is easily better than Painter or who ever else you guys could find off the street to play QB... the point is the Colts even without the QB issue last year were lackluster in the talent department.. having a new head coach, new defensive scheme(with players that dont fit), rookie QB i honestly wouldnt say the colts win more than 5 games next year

killxswitch
08-22-2012, 11:22 AM
I may be wrong, but before Manning was a bronco I felt the clear MVP of last NFL season was #18, the almost exact team from the year before looked TERRIBLE without him playing... that being said I dont expect Luck to be able to restore the 10+ wins.


Sure Luck is easily better than Painter or who ever else you guys could find off the street to play QB... the point is the Colts even without the QB issue last year were lackluster in the talent department.. having a new head coach, new defensive scheme(with players that dont fit), rookie QB i honestly wouldnt say the colts win more than 5 games next year

My over/under is 6. Over half of the players in camp this year have never worn a Colts uniform. It's a completely different team. I agree Manning is the reason the old team won anything. But there is a reason we have like $40M in dead cap space this year. We cut a ton of dead weight players.

IMO winning 5-7 games will be a far cry from being one of the worst teams in football.

niel89
08-22-2012, 06:20 PM
My problem with Luck is that he unlike other top QB's in the last decade has been anointed by the media, when sure he has the height, size, played in a pro style offense.... blah blah blah

Dude choked in the big games such as his outing against Oregon this year.. he hasnt stepped on the field and is already being talked about being the next Peyton Manning... give me a break, for all we know Luck could turn into the next bust or average QB which i think is far more likely then him becoming the next Peyton Manning(one of the best QB's to ever play)

I agree with you assessment that the hype is out of control, but you are completely wrong about him being a choker in big games. Oregon was a better team than us and was just a bad match up for our defense & team speed. Luck wasn't the reason we lost that game.

jth1331
08-23-2012, 09:44 PM
McNabb was hyped to the heavens when he left Syracuse too.
There's no question Luck would have gone ahead of Vick in every scenario imaginable.

Luck had better coaching, better grasp of the position, played in a more complex offense, he called his own plays, was bigger than Vick and a superior athlete in his own right.

And Vick was more of a playmaker at the QB position when he was at Va Tech than he was a pure QB.
IMO Vick was drafted more on pure spec and potential upside than his demonstrated ability in actual college games.
Vick was taken 1/1 by Atlanta, but I don't believe he was regarded by every NFL GM as the consensus #1 pick.

RGIII is a better pro prospect than Vick, and even he couldn't get drafted ahead of Luck.

I remember a lot of people thinking Vick should've stayed 1 more year at VTech to polish his passing game.
I do remember EVERYBODY was amazed by him still though, his mobility, his cannon of an arm, just needed to show consistency with his accuracy and reads.
2010 I think is what most people envisioned Vick reaching to, being a dynamic rusher and thrower.
A lot of people questioned his passing, but figured he would be such a dual threat he would revolutionize the game.
His freshman year, he was "Wow!"
Sophmore, had moments but didn't do a whole lot. I mean Lee Suggs had 27 TD's for VTech that year. What was special for Vick was that NC Game between FSU in 1999.

BamaFalcon59
08-23-2012, 10:03 PM
I remember a lot of people thinking Vick should've stayed 1 more year at VTech to polish his passing game.
I do remember EVERYBODY was amazed by him still though, his mobility, his cannon of an arm, just needed to show consistency with his accuracy and reads.
2010 I think is what most people envisioned Vick reaching to, being a dynamic rusher and thrower.
A lot of people questioned his passing, but figured he would be such a dual threat he would revolutionize the game.
His freshman year, he was "Wow!"
Sophmore, had moments but didn't do a whole lot. I mean Lee Suggs had 27 TD's for VTech that year. What was special for Vick was that NC Game between FSU in 1999.

Vick was more than alright in his sophomore year. He lost one game at Tech, that obviously being the national championship.

YAYareaRB
08-23-2012, 10:19 PM
Luck is an ATHLETIC QB. He's top 7-8 one of the most athletic QBs in the league the minute the regular season starts.
Vick/RGIII/Rogers/Newton/Luck/Locker/Tannehill/Gabbert/Tebow....not necessarily in that order.

If a QB has mastered the passing game, that additional mobility on rollouts and beyond the LOS is almost impossible to defend against.


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0114/nfl_u_alexsmith_ah_300.jpg

No, but all homerism aside Vick had the most hype of any qb I have ever seen. If he had the arm to match the legs, I could easily see him becoming the MJ of the sport

FUNBUNCHER
08-23-2012, 11:07 PM
LOL. For all Alex Smith's faults, he is one of the more athletic QBs in the pros.
Vick lost two games as a starter at Va Tech, the NC game to FSU and once to the Hurricanes in the regular season in 2000.

As a RS freshman he was remarkable in that NC game despite the INTs late. It was amazing to see him dodge 3-4 defenders in the backfield and either scramble downfield or throw a strike.

Maybe the greatest game of Vick's career. After re-watching these highlights, I understand where all the hype came from. He could do it all as a college QB.

sk4IS67qXpQ
Bobby Bowden compared him to Charlie Ward except faster.

Bixby (Thumper)
08-24-2012, 03:32 AM
No, but all homerism aside Vick had the most hype of any qb I have ever seen. If he had the arm to match the legs, I could easily see him becoming the MJ of the sport

He does. Vick throws a damn pretty ball and he can sling it 50 yards downfield with the flick of a wrist. Now, if he had the brain to match his arm and legs...

BamaFalcon59
08-24-2012, 09:25 AM
LOL. For all Alex Smith's faults, he is one of the more athletic QBs in the pros.
Vick lost two games as a starter at Va Tech, the NC game to FSU and once to the Hurricanes in the regular season in 2000.

As a RS freshman he was remarkable in that NC game despite the INTs late. It was amazing to see him dodge 3-4 defenders in the backfield and either scramble downfield or throw a strike.

Maybe the greatest game of Vick's career. After re-watching these highlights, I understand where all the hype came from. He could do it all as a college QB.

sk4IS67qXpQ
Bobby Bowden compared him to Charlie Ward except faster.

Vick was injured for the Miami game. He lost once.

jth1331
08-24-2012, 10:10 PM
Vick was more than alright in his sophomore year. He lost one game at Tech, that obviously being the national championship.

I'm merely going by the stat sheets I saw. His passing stats as a total don't wow you, and neither do the rushing that much to be honest. Makes me wonder if VTech reigned him in most of the time.

But yeah, he was hyped out of this world. Only thing he didn't have was coaching and the brain to analyze/study film for reading defenses.

WCH
08-25-2012, 01:26 AM
I always wish we could have seen Vick in a Rich Rod type offense. He could've legitimately pushed for 2000 yards rushing.

I agree. Denard Robinson rushed for 1700 his sophomore year, and he's not the talent that Vick was.

descendency
08-25-2012, 01:36 AM
No, but all homerism aside Vick had the most hype of any qb I have ever seen. If he had the arm to match the legs, I could easily see him becoming the MJ of the sport

If Vick had the same level of talent in his arm as he did in his legs (especially as a young QB), they would rename the MVP trophy to the Michael Vick trophy.