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gpngc
08-06-2012, 05:01 PM
23001 Aj Jenkins +2200
23002 Alshon Jeffery +2200
23003 Andrew Luck +300
23004 Brandon Weeden +1300
23005 Brian Quick +2500
23006 Coby Fleener +1650
23007 David Wilson +1650
23008 Doug Martin +1650
23009 Justin Blackmon +750
23010 Kendall Wright +2200
23011 Lamichael James +2200
23012 Michael Floyd +1400
23013 Robert Griffin Iii +450
23014 Rueben Randle +2200
23015 Ryan Broyles +2200
23016 Ryan Tannehill +2250
23017 Stephen Hill +2000
23018 Trent Richardson +550
23019 Field (all Others) +850

VernonLawson89
08-06-2012, 05:05 PM
LaMichael James

Bixby (Thumper)
08-06-2012, 05:06 PM
Trent Richardson or Doug Martin

Shane P. Hallam
08-06-2012, 05:09 PM
Luck, but Weeden a good option for the money there.

Where are these lines from?

PackerLegend
08-06-2012, 05:10 PM
Ill go with RG3 over Luck.

SuperPacker
08-06-2012, 05:18 PM
Richardson, Luck and Griffin are the only one's that have a chance.

Splat
08-06-2012, 05:29 PM
Devon Wylie.

I have been told he is the next Wes Welker, you know because he is white and plays WR...

FUNBUNCHER
08-06-2012, 06:02 PM
Trent Richardson would have to rush for over 1250 yards and/or 12 TDs IMO to beat out a rookie QB for OROTY.

RGIII is going to have more Sportscenter highlights than any of the other rookies, he's the safe pick for the award.

But I do think people are underrating Luck going into the season even though he leads this poll.

With Fleener and Dwayne Allen, I could see Luck easily passing for 3500yds/65%completions/26 TDs and 17 INTs.

Luck could have the best set of pass catching TEs after NE and Detroit.

TACKLE
08-06-2012, 06:05 PM
Trent Richardson would have to rush for over 1250 yards and/or 12 TDs IMO to beat out a rookie QB for OROTY.

Not only do I think that's plausible, I'm expecting those numbers from him.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
08-06-2012, 06:08 PM
Alshon will definitely be up for it.

jsagan77
08-06-2012, 06:10 PM
Trent Richardson would have to rush for over 1250 yards and/or 12 TDs IMO to beat out a rookie QB for OROTY.

RGIII is going to have more Sportscenter highlights than any of the other rookies, he's the safe pick for the award.

But I do think people are underrating Luck going into the season even though he leads this poll.

With Fleener and Dwayne Allen, I could see Luck easily passing for 3500yds/65%completions/26 TDs and 17 INTs.

Luck could have the best set of pass catching TEs after NE and Detroit.


Skins got a good set of pass catching TE's. Let those two play some downs before putting them on a pedestal.

FUNBUNCHER
08-06-2012, 06:46 PM
I'd take Fleener and Dwayne Allen over Cooley/Fred Davis/Niles Paul and it's not even close.

Fleener/Allen are potentially elite pro bowl, multi skilled TEs who both have the ability to be dominant in the vertical game and at the LOS blocking.

Cooley's seen better days, Fred Davis has more growing up to do and Niles Paul is more a specialist than a true TE.

Fleener/Allen are both 6'4 or taller, 245+# with 4.5 speed or better.

Anyway, this is about why I think Luck is a quasi-darkhorse for OROTY. His rookie TEs are very studly IMO.

BuckeyeDan17
08-06-2012, 07:23 PM
I'd love to see Richardson get it obviously, but if I were to pick him it means I'm putting enough faith in Weeden and our completely unproven group of WRs to play well enough to keep the run game open. I don't have that faith.

Luck may not put up eye-popping numbers but I believe he will be sure and steady throughout the season, having a few games showing what he has the potential to be.. I'll go Luck

jsagan77
08-06-2012, 07:42 PM
I'd take Fleener and Dwayne Allen over Cooley/Fred Davis/Niles Paul and it's not even close.

Fleener/Allen are potentially elite pro bowl, multi skilled TEs who both have the ability to be dominant in the vertical game and at the LOS blocking.

Cooley's seen better days, Fred Davis has more growing up to do and Niles Paul is more a specialist than a true TE.

Fleener/Allen are both 6'4 or taller, 245+# with 4.5 speed or better.

Anyway, this is about why I think Luck is a quasi-darkhorse for OROTY. His rookie TEs are very studly IMO.

Well this is a draft site so it doesn't shock me that you'd take two Rookies who've never played a down and may not do crap in the NFL over two guys who have and are much more acclimated to the NFL game.

K Train
08-06-2012, 08:11 PM
Richardson, Luck and Griffin are the only one's that have a chance.

this. its who performs better between luck and griffin, unless richardson DOMINATES

FUNBUNCHER
08-06-2012, 08:24 PM
Well this is a draft site so it doesn't shock me that you'd take two Rookies who've never played a down and may not do crap in the NFL over two guys who have and are much more acclimated to the NFL game.

Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen and superior pro prospects compared to Fred Davis/Chris Cooley/Niles Paul.

You're talking about the top 2 TEs in the previous draft, including the fact that Fleener and Luck have had a mind meld for three years.

It's still all about Andrew Luck, but we're talking TEs here, not rookie WRs. Generally speaking the transition to the pro game and their ability to have an immediate impact is much higher for TEs than it is for most offensive skill positions, excluding RBs.


You know you'd trade Cooley/Paul/Davis for Fleener/Allen straight up and run like hell cause you got away with grand larceny!!lol

jsagan77
08-06-2012, 11:00 PM
I think that trade is a high risk high reward trade, not the knock down drag out win you're assuming.

TACKLE
08-06-2012, 11:04 PM
Fleener/Allen are both 6'4 or taller, 245+# with 4.5 speed or better.

I'm impressed that Dwayne Allen has been able to cut 3-4 tenths off his forty time in the last couple months.

Rosebud
08-06-2012, 11:07 PM
Richardson, Luck and Griffin are the only one's that have a chance.

Then why did you vote for Weeden?

Bucs_Rule
08-07-2012, 04:23 AM
It wasn't such a long time ago that no one would suggest a rookie QB would win. Only one QB won OPOY since the NFL started until 2004. Dennis Shaw won it in 1970 if anyone is wondering. RBs almost always won it with occasional WRs getting it.

Halsey
08-07-2012, 07:47 AM
Andrew Luck

I think there's a good chance he'll be the next rookie QB to immediately be a quality starting QB. It's trendy to pick RG3 to have the better rookie year, but Luck is going to better as a rookie and beyond.

SuperPacker
08-07-2012, 08:39 AM
Then why did you vote for Weeden?

I think one of those 3 will win it, but if I was betting i'd go with Weeden! All about the value my friend.

killxswitch
08-07-2012, 09:09 AM
I actually think Luck will throw too many INTs to win. Still voted for him though.

K Train
08-07-2012, 09:21 AM
bradford won and he threw 18/15, luck will at least match that. I wouldnt be surprised to see 25/15 with those TEs and Reggie Wayne/Austin Collie. And imo the rams are an overall worse team

NY+Giants=NYG
08-07-2012, 10:02 AM
I think it's going to come down to Andrew L and Bob G. I think Bob will get the award because of his hype he is getting now. Even if he does avg, I think the media will hype him up.

jsagan77
08-07-2012, 10:43 AM
Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen and superior pro prospects compared to Fred Davis/Chris Cooley/Niles Paul.

You're talking about the top 2 TEs in the previous draft, including the fact that Fleener and Luck have had a mind meld for three years.

It's still all about Andrew Luck, but we're talking TEs here, not rookie WRs. Generally speaking the transition to the pro game and their ability to have an immediate impact is much higher for TEs than it is for most offensive skill positions, excluding RBs.


You know you'd trade Cooley/Paul/Davis for Fleener/Allen straight up and run like hell cause you got away with grand larceny!!lol

So, have either made the pro bowl or had a 900 yard season? You're assuming that they'll be good because they were descently high draft picks. I don't disagree, I feel they will be, but it doesn't mean that's what's going to happen.

Right now I'd take Fred and Cooley, building a franchise I'd take the other two.

descendency
08-07-2012, 10:47 AM
Taking a stab in the dark, I think Doug Martin has a shot.

He'll be Tampa's primary ball carrier and probably biggest offensive weapon.

AntoinCD
08-07-2012, 12:12 PM
Taking a stab in the dark, I think Doug Martin has a shot.

He'll be Tampa's primary ball carrier and probably biggest offensive weapon.

I like Martin's chances as well.

Overall though, if either Luck or RG3 have relatively good seasons it will be between them.

Other than that, it's tough for any other player to win the award unless the team has some relative success.

If Richardson or Martin rush for 1200 yards and 10 TDs but their respective teams get 4 or 5 wins then they are automatically at a disadvantage.

In that case I like Kendall Wright. I think he can be a real big play threat for the Titans who should be in and around 8 or 9 wins

indyfan1985
08-07-2012, 06:39 PM
Trent Richardson would have to rush for over 1250 yards and/or 12 TDs IMO to beat out a rookie QB for OROTY.

RGIII is going to have more Sportscenter highlights than any of the other rookies, he's the safe pick for the award.

But I do think people are underrating Luck going into the season even though he leads this poll.

With Fleener and Dwayne Allen, I could see Luck easily passing for 3500yds/65%completions/26 TDs and 17 INTs.

Luck could have the best set of pass catching TEs after NE and Detroit.

I think the Colts pair of TEs will be surpassing all but NE's TE pair very soon. And given some time, could even surpass NE's duo. Allen has drawn huge praise in camp, and Fleener is already viewed as a huge mismatch TE with his size/speed.

V.I.P
08-07-2012, 11:05 PM
Taking a stab in the dark, I think Doug Martin has a shot.

He'll be Tampa's primary ball carrier and probably biggest offensive weapon.

Smart man, Martin has been taking the bulk of the first team carries all camp long. Plus all Schiano talks about is pounding the ball & establishing the run game. Plus with the addition of Carl Nicks i wouldn't be surprised if Martin has a better stat line then Richardson..

armageddon
08-07-2012, 11:12 PM
Brian Quick will win OROY

Bulldogs
08-07-2012, 11:44 PM
Brian Quick will win OROY

Why are you the way that you are?

K Train
08-08-2012, 07:10 AM
i heard brian quick is struggling quite a bit, which isnt really surprising

ArkyRamsFan
08-08-2012, 12:09 PM
i heard brian quick is struggling quite a bit, which isnt really surprising

No, that is incorrect. He is making all of the usual rookie mistakes but has taken to coaching very well, and has actually drawn praise for his ability to make the necessary corrections to his game.

With the logjam at the WR position, Quick's problem will be getting enough snaps early in the year.

I do, however, expect him to be starting and contributing later in the year. Alas, probably too late to amass sufficient numbers for OROY consideration.

Ron
08-08-2012, 01:33 PM
I expect Trent is gonna take it. He is just the perfect RB. I expect 1200 yards and 10 TDs

K Train
08-08-2012, 02:21 PM
No, that is incorrect. He is making all of the usual rookie mistakes but has taken to coaching very well, and has actually drawn praise for his ability to make the necessary corrections to his game.

With the logjam at the WR position, Quick's problem will be getting enough snaps early in the year.

I do, however, expect him to be starting and contributing later in the year. Alas, probably too late to amass sufficient numbers for OROY consideration.

if he cant bust through that "log jam" id say hes struggling, thats the weakest log jam in the league. reports just say hes being inconsistent, which isnt saying he cant contribute this year or that he will be a bust...its saying that appalacian state to the NFL (even if it is the rams) is just as big of a jump as everyone already expected. not saying they should have taken hill, jeffrey, or randle (even though they probably should have) but all he is right now is an intriguing story to watch develop, early contributor...probably not

gpngc
08-08-2012, 02:22 PM
Richardson might be going for another knee scope. That would sideline him for at least two weeks...

This looks like Luck all the way unless Bradshaw goes down or Weeden plays out of his mind.

armageddon
08-08-2012, 03:07 PM
Why are you the way that you are?


How am I ?

Also, Quick is getting better every practice. Imagine Bradford with a 6'5 220 lb WR that can run, leap, catch ? Bradford almost turned Mark Clayton into a pro bowler if Clayton would have stayed healthy.

Quick looks like a Denario Alexander with good knees.

RaiderDiehard
08-08-2012, 03:11 PM
RG3 wins this award handily, with Luck making it somewhat interesting. Doug Martin would be the sleeper selection here, I suppose....

ArkyRamsFan
08-08-2012, 05:48 PM
The Rams have another candidate for OROY; it's a rookie kicker named Greg Zuerlien.

This dude has been hitting field goals from 60+ yards all training camp and he has been all but handed the job at this point. He already has a nickname, Greg "The Leg" Zuerlein. Kinda catchy, no?:wave:


If he can hit a bunch of 50+ yarders this year and maybe a game winner or two, he will be in the mix and could just as well pull it off.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
08-13-2012, 05:44 PM
I'll guess Luck for the award. The guy has all the skills needed to excel and is less likely to experience injury issues than either Richardson or RG3.

The nature of a 16 game schedule on a rookie RB, even one built as solidly as Richardson, can take its toll. Add in that defenses will likely play to stop the run first and I have to put him behind Luck.

RG3 is a sleek athlete. He will make some great throws, and some great runs. However, just like Vick, he's more likely to be an injury risk. Add in the fact that he's making a more difficult conversion to the pro style offense and I think Luck is the safer pick.

Given that Martin and Wilson will be in committee backfields, they are a long shot.

Give me Luck and enjoy the ride.

tjsunstein
08-13-2012, 06:55 PM
Luck or RGIII, otherwise you're thinking too much.

Saints-Tigers
08-13-2012, 07:03 PM
How am I ?

Also, Quick is getting better every practice. Imagine Bradford with a 6'5 220 lb WR that can run, leap, catch ? Bradford almost turned Mark Clayton into a pro bowler if Clayton would have stayed healthy.

Quick looks like a Denario Alexander with good knees.

Bradford should turn himself into a pro bowler before he thinks about turning others into one, hahahah.

prock
08-13-2012, 07:10 PM
Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen and superior pro prospects compared to Fred Davis/Chris Cooley/Niles Paul.

You're talking about the top 2 TEs in the previous draft, including the fact that Fleener and Luck have had a mind meld for three years.

It's still all about Andrew Luck, but we're talking TEs here, not rookie WRs. Generally speaking the transition to the pro game and their ability to have an immediate impact is much higher for TEs than it is for most offensive skill positions, excluding RBs.


You know you'd trade Cooley/Paul/Davis for Fleener/Allen straight up and run like hell cause you got away with grand larceny!!lol

The thing is Cooley and Davis have proven themselves to be good pro tight ends. Fleener and Allen were good prospects. Let's let them play a few downs in the NFL before crowning them as one of the best tight end sets...