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G Mobile
08-06-2012, 08:32 PM
Get your popcorn ready.

Does he have anything left?

Notredameleo
08-06-2012, 08:40 PM
I still dont understand why nobody signed him last season. He put up good stats the year before in Cincy. Hopefully he has some left. I love me some TO. As a player, at least.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 08:42 PM
I'm not trying to be facetious at all but why does everyone hate him again? Because he threw bad QBs under the bus, celebrated a lot, and held out?

Ness
08-06-2012, 08:43 PM
I still dont understand why nobody signed him last season. He put up good stats the year before in Cincy. Hopefully he has some left. I love me some TO. As a player, at least.

Because he was coming off a knee surgery. He's also 38 years old. Plus, people around the league has probably gotten tired of the baggage that comes along with Owens.

K Train
08-06-2012, 08:45 PM
i love TO and hes being ****** hard by the child support system, an unemployed guy having to pay 11k per month in child support is criminal.

he stayed in excellent shape, in the right role he could still be 1000 yard guy, and by role i mean TE-like role

asdf1223
08-06-2012, 08:47 PM
I'm not trying to be facetious at all but why does everyone hate him again? Because he threw bad QBs under the bus, celebrated a lot, and held out?

When Jerry Jones and Marvin Lewis think you are a problem in the locker room you probably are.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 08:48 PM
What does that mean? Bad teammate? What are the examples of this?

Cigaro
08-06-2012, 08:51 PM
i love TO and hes being ****** hard by the child support system, an unemployed guy having to pay 11k per month in child support is criminal.

he stayed in excellent shape, in the right role he could still be 1000 yard guy, and by role i mean TE-like role

He could, I don't know, not have a bunch of kids with random women, or perhaps manage the millions upon millions he made in heyday.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 08:53 PM
72, 983, and 9 at age 37.

So whenever anyone says 'name me someone who's been worth a damn at age 39' - name me someone who ever did ^ at age 37.

Complex
08-06-2012, 08:53 PM
I don't know, I always thought that him being a cancer to the team was just the media. Remember when the cowboys won a playoff game after T.O. got cut and the media made a big deal about it saying that T.O. was the reason the cowboys struggled in the playoffs and all that BS. Two-three years later they have yet to make the playoffs.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 08:56 PM
The only things I remember about T.O.

- The sharpie which was harmless.
- His heroic performance in the Super Bowl.
- Holding out and doing sit-ups which I can forgive him for.
- Crying about his QB.
- Talking **** about McNabb (****** up but he probably had a point) and Jeff Garcia.
- Generally being a pompous asshole, but never doing anything actually that harmful.
- ???????????

prock
08-06-2012, 08:59 PM
Was kind of hoping the Vikings would sign him after Childs went down.

asdf1223
08-06-2012, 09:05 PM
He's a locker room lawyer, has many a time publicly complained about his targets and thrown QBs under the bus. He publically roasted the entire Bengals org in the TO Ocho show or whatever it was.

Everyone brings up his stats in the last year but he was heavily targetted that year and caught only 50% of balls thrown his way including just 40% on third down. Oh and he just had ACL surgery at age 38.

If he makes the final 53 Its an indictment about our receivers more than anything else.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:10 PM
He's a locker room lawyer, has many a time publicly complained about his targets and thrown QBs under the bus. He publically roasted the entire Bengals org in the TO Ocho show or whatever it was.

Everyone brings up his stats in the last year but he was heavily targetted that year and caught only 50% of balls thrown his way including just 40% on third down. Oh and he just had ACL surgery at age 38.

If he makes the final 53 Its an indictment about our receivers more than anything else.

Throwing bad QBs under the bus isn't a concern for me. He's just speaking his opinion - out of line, sure - but it really isn't that big of a deal and I'm sure he's usually more right than wrong in his analysis.

Carson Palmer also publicly bashed the entire CIN organization by REFUSING TO PLAY FOR THEM WHILE UNDER CONTRACT. Bengals fans all admit it's a **** organization. Yet when TO does it, he's being an asshole? It's true.

Donte Stallworth killed a man. Some of these guys hit their wives, get multiple DUIs, and do ****** up things with drugs, violence, etc.

Guys like TO and Chad Johnson are loud and obnoxious, but in the grand scheme of things, they are HARMLESS football players who just talk too much and for some reason are HATED way more than athletes who should be hated.

DoughBoy
08-06-2012, 09:10 PM
I'm not trying to be facetious at all but why does everyone hate him again? Because he threw bad QBs under the bus , celebrated a lot, and held out?

This doesn't scare you as a Seahawks fan? When McNabb or Romo had good seasons, he would still throw them under the bus for one bad game and everything would snowball from there.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:13 PM
Not really. If they suck and deserve criticism, I don't really care. If they continue to suck, what was the harm? If they can't take criticism, they probably don't have what it takes to be a starter in the NFL anyway.

McNabb and Romo aren't the strongest QBs in terms of mental toughness. If Flynn/Wilson is so weak that TO criticizing them ruins their career, then good, get it over with.

I don't think TO is going to say anything though - he's too old and probably grateful for the ONE team that gave him an opportunity.

asdf1223
08-06-2012, 09:18 PM
This doesn't scare you as a Seahawks fan? When McNabb or Romo had good seasons, he would still throw them under the bus for one bad game and everything would snowball from there.

This ^^ You want TO to rip apart Russel Wilson/Matt Flynn after he throws 4 picks on a Thursday game in San Francisco?

TO's great when you are winning, things are going well and you are an offensive juggernaut. They are the worst when you are losing as they are the first to jump ship and start blaming others.

Cigaro
08-06-2012, 09:20 PM
QBs are team leaders. Throwing them under the bus creation divisions and animosity in the locker room. Divisions and animosity in the locker room is no good.

Ness
08-06-2012, 09:26 PM
I don't know, I always thought that him being a cancer to the team was just the media. Remember when the cowboys won a playoff game after T.O. got cut and the media made a big deal about it saying that T.O. was the reason the cowboys struggled in the playoffs and all that BS. Two-three years later they have yet to make the playoffs.

I thought it was the media saying before the 2009 season that the Cowboys might struggle without Terrell Owens. Then Miles Austin shows up, the Cowboys roll and win a playoff game.

As for Terrell Owens himself, it was more than the media making up stories about Terrell Owens being a cancer. Owens caused a lot of the controversy himself with unnecessary comments about his teammates. When he left the 49ers he implied that Jeff Garcia was ***, after the Super Bowl he implied that Donovan McNabb was the guy who got tired and then also displayed his admiration for a quarterback like Brett Favre when he was still apart of the Eagles roster. Then of course there was the assumption that he was being alienated by Tony Romo and Jason Witten in the Cowboys passing game. And when he was in Cincinnati he blamed the coaching staff for the struggles of the team publicly. By this time the media had already learned Terrell Owens was a walking story waiting to happen.

If Owens would have kept his mouth shut and just performed a la Bruce, Johnson, Harrison, Sharpe, Colston, etc. then there would never been any issues. Owens has no one to blame but himself. The NFL is a big PR/image maintaining industry. They'll give you the keys to the car as long as you don't wreck it. Do your job and use common sense in whatever lifestyle you want to pursue as an NFL player and don't make us look bad. That is their mantra. While Owens never got in trouble with the law, he was a failure at playing the PR game.

Ness
08-06-2012, 09:29 PM
Not really. If they suck and deserve criticism, I don't really care. If they continue to suck, what was the harm? If they can't take criticism, they probably don't have what it takes to be a starter in the NFL anyway.

McNabb and Romo aren't the strongest QBs in terms of mental toughness. If Flynn/Wilson is so weak that TO criticizing them ruins their career, then good, get it over with.

I don't think TO is going to say anything though - he's too old and probably grateful for the ONE team that gave him an opportunity.

But it's not about you. It's about the team. You don't throw your teammates under the bus to the media. If someone is trying their best to be a good player in the NFL and it isn't going their way, that doesn't justify one player telling the media that their teammate isn't a very good player. Who needs that negativity? How is telling the media something like that going to help the team?

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:32 PM
^The media leads you to believe that all of those 'stories' actually affected on the field performance.

Stated McNabb got tired = Probably true
Admired Favre
Criticized Romo
Blamed Cincy coaches when their team sucked

Is he incorrect in any of these? It looks to me like a guy who gets frustrated when his team loses.

I'd rather have that than someone who doesn't care.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:35 PM
But it's not about you. It's about the team. You don't throw your teammates under the bus to the media. If someone is trying their best to be a good player in the NFL and it isn't going their way, that doesn't justify one player telling the media that their teammate isn't a very good player. Who needs that negativity? How is telling the media something like that going to help the team?

Again, he only runs his mouth when he has a legitimate point.

Him saying it isn't going to help the team, but if performance is weak in one area, the team will know it, and if TO points it out, it just confirms to them something they already know and sheds light on the situation for the public because of the media trying to get a quote. Doesn't actually do anything negative for the team. Players know when guys suck.

Ness
08-06-2012, 09:40 PM
^The media leads you to believe that all of those 'stories' actually affected on the field performance.

Stated McNabb got tired = Probably true
Admired Favre
Criticized Romo
Blamed Cincy coaches when their team sucked

Is he incorrect in any of these? It looks to me like a guy who gets frustrated when his team loses.

I'd rather have that than someone who doesn't care.

I like how you left out the comment where Owens thought Garcia was ***, which was of course, a lie.

McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl. Sure. Again, why is going to the media blabbering about it a necessity? Again, how is this helping the team?

Romo proved that Owens was expendable. And the notion that he and Witten teamed up to alienate Owens in the passing game was just an excuse Owens used because he felt like he wasn't getting the ball enough. Simply put, he was bitching.

Cincinnati struggled sure. Maybe the coaches were at fault. Maybe it was just a lack of execution on the players part. Marvin Lewis could have said the same thing, but he didn't. Why? Because how would that help the team.

And believe it or not on the field performance can be effected by the smallest things. If someone at your workplace is putting you on blast and telling everyone else in the building that you aren't very good and you get wind of it, it's probably not going to help your focus while you are doing your task. If that person truly feels that way and that person's performance is getting in the way of doing their own job they can go to a superior and talk about it behind closed doors. How is telling the entire nation going to help matters? Oh yeah, it's not. And this is why Owens is on his 100th team now.

DoughBoy
08-06-2012, 09:42 PM
^The media leads you to believe that all of those 'stories' actually affected on the field performance.

Stated McNabb got tired = Probably true
Admired Favre
Criticized Romo
Blamed Cincy coaches when their team sucked

Is he incorrect in any of these? It looks to me like a guy who gets frustrated when his team loses.

I'd rather have that than someone who doesn't care.

It doesn't matter if it is correct. You don't blame your QB and coaches when things are going bad. EVER. no exceptions. It helps absolutely no one and makes it tougher to dig the team out of a hole. Its not an opinion, it's a fact. And T.O's numbers come first, not wins.

Ness
08-06-2012, 09:43 PM
Again, he only runs his mouth when he has a legitimate point.

Him saying it isn't going to help the team, but if performance is weak in one area, the team will know it, and if TO points it out, it just confirms to them something they already know and sheds light on the situation for the public because of the media trying to get a quote. Doesn't actually do anything negative for the team. Players know when guys suck.

The problem is he runs his mouth to the wrong people. Terrell Owens is allowed to have his opinion. But in the NFL, there is pretty much an unwritten rule that you don't throw your teammates under the bus for the entire world to see. Again, why is the negativity necessary and how is it going to help the team by telling the media?

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:48 PM
I like how you left out the comment where Owens thought Garcia was ***, which was of course, a lie.

McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl. Sure. Again, why is going to the media blabbering about it a necessity? Again, how is this helping the team?

Romo proved that Owens was expendable. And the notion that he and Witten teamed up to alienate Owens in the passing game was just an excuse Owens used because he felt like he wasn't getting the ball enough. Simply put, he was bitching.

Cincinnati struggled sure. Maybe the coaches were at fault. Maybe it was just a lack of execution on the players part. Marvin Lewis could have said the same thing, but he didn't. Why? Because how would that help the team.

And believe it or not on the field performance can be effected by the smallest things. If someone at your workplace is putting you on blast and telling everyone else in the building that you aren't very good and you get wind of it, it's probably not going to help your focus while you are doing your task. If that person truly feels that way and that person's performance is getting in the way of doing their own job they can go to a superior and talk about it behind closed doors. How is telling the entire nation going to help matters? Oh yeah, it's not. And this is why Owens is on his 100th team now.

How the hell do you know this for sure? lol

I left it out because it has nothing to do with football.

Clearly TO is somewhat of an asshole - no one is disputing that. But his critique on football stuff has been pretty on point. You blame the Bengals players but Palmer and TO blame the coaches/organization. I'd side with the NFL vets here.

You are sure that his antics DESTROY locker rooms and careers. I'm saying that's what the media wants you to believe, and is probably overblown.

He went to the Super Bowl with Philly and had a pretty damn good career. Even through all of his BS, he put up HOF numbers and helped his teams win a lot of games.

If he's able to fracture the Seahawks locker room, then there was something wrong with the lockerroom to begin with. That's what I'm saying.

'Locker room cancer' is a made up idea. Santonio Holmes is a complete dick but was THE driving force in a Super Bowl win. There are always going to be things going on in the locker room but as long as there's a structure in place of established leaders and vets, no small conflicts will actually bleed on the field. Guys probably feel like TO did all the time on every team - they just don't have microphones in their faces as soon as they could possibly be upset.

DoughBoy
08-06-2012, 09:50 PM
Again, he only runs his mouth when he has a legitimate point.

Him saying it isn't going to help the team, but if performance is weak in one area, the team will know it, and if TO points it out, it just confirms to them something they already know and sheds light on the situation for the public because of the media trying to get a quote. Doesn't actually do anything negative for the team. Players know when guys suck.

When you take a public stance on something, others think their opinion should be heard as well.... hence how you divide a locker room. Some things are best left unsaid. Its healthy locker room 101.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:51 PM
The problem is he runs his mouth to the wrong people. Terrell Owens is allowed to have his opinion. But in the NFL, there is pretty much an unwritten rule that you don't throw your teammates under the bus for the entire world to see. Again, why is the negativity necessary and how is it going to help the team by telling the media?

It's not necessary at all. I wouldn't do it. Most non-assholes wouldn't do it.

All I'm saying is that it's not nearly as HARMFUL as you make it out to be. All it does is give the media a quote. The repercussions are that the media will talk about it - that's it.

And how do you know about unwritten NFL rules? Did you read about them? Then they must be written... wait. And Peyton Manning doesn't know that rule when he singled out his OL after a playoff loss. And how did that fracture that locker room? What was the point of the negativity!? All they did was win the SB the next year and win the division every year.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:54 PM
I think you guys are nuts for believing all the ESPN stuff they try to give you.

If you seriously think the Jets lost last year because their locker room wasn't strong, you just watch too much ESPN.

Teams win and lose because of performance and preparation - not because they don't like each other or love each other. Come on. If you've ever been on a team you know there are always intra-squad conflicts. They don't mean **** once the whistle blows.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 09:57 PM
Here's my final stance I don't really care about this at all.

You guys are implying that he's going to somehow stunt the growth of Wilson or Flynn or cause the Seahawks to go into a tailspin because he'll talk to the media.

I think it is far, far, far more likely that he simply fizzles out and isn't as good anymore.

And even more likely, he has a nice year, or maybe even really good year, and acts like he did in Buffalo (small market, media couldn't stir up ****), not saying a peep (or not being heard because it was in ******* Buffalo).

Ness
08-06-2012, 10:13 PM
It's not necessary at all. I wouldn't do it. Most non-assholes wouldn't do it.

All I'm saying is that it's not nearly as HARMFUL as you make it out to be. All it does is give the media a quote. The repercussions are that the media will talk about it - that's it.

And how do you know about unwritten NFL rules? Did you read about them? Then they must be written... wait. And Peyton Manning doesn't know that rule when he singled out his OL after a playoff loss. And how did that fracture that locker room? What was the point of the negativity!? All they did was win the SB the next year and win the division every year.

Peyton Manning said "we were having some protection problems". That is one quote in a career that has gone on since 1998. And he didn't single out any specific player or even say that it was a certain group's fault. In that media session after the loss to the Steelers Peyton Manning also attributed the loss to himself and his inability to execute if I recall correctly.

And it's pretty much common sense to know what unwritten rules I'm talking about. You can see it every other day in every media practice with every team where these players are obviously talking like politicians and not saying anything out of line. Everyone pretty much knows how to play this "game", except well, Terrell Owens.

Regardless of how harmful you, me, or anyone else believes it may be, it's unnecessary bottom line. It doesn't do any good, so then why do it in the first place? All it can do is bring negativity.

Ness
08-06-2012, 10:14 PM
How the hell do you know this for sure? lol


Have you seen his wife? :njx:

niel89
08-06-2012, 10:20 PM
Calling TO only somewhat of an asshole is a vast vast understatement. TO is one of the best talents to play the game but his attitude and big mouth has consistently caused rifts in locker rooms and has made him bounce around the league.

If you think that TO's off the field issues hasn't affected the teams on the field performance, then you are missing something. Undermining your QB and dividing a locker room are quick ways to help a season fall apart. Team chemistry is an important component to success.

Teams that have strong leadership and chemistry are teams that are consistently successful. The Patriots and Steelers would rather dump Moss and Holmes than have them bring down a locker room.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 10:20 PM
Have you seen his wife? :njx:

Yes I have. Doesn't prove he's not ***. Please post a picture of her because this thread sucks otherwise.

We should be talking about what the deal means football-wise, not the ******** ESPN makes up about locker room cancers.

He ran a 4.45 and looked in fantastic shape during his workout.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 10:22 PM
Calling TO only somewhat of an asshole is a vast vast understatement. TO is one of the best talents to play the game but his attitude and big mouth has consistently caused rifts in locker rooms and has made him bounce around the league.

If you think that TO's off the field issues hasn't affected the teams on the field performance, then you are missing something. Undermining your QB and dividing a locker room are quick ways to help a season fall apart. Team chemistry is an important component to success.

Teams that have strong leadership and chemistry are teams that are consistently successful. The Patriots and Steelers would rather dump Moss and Holmes than have them bring down a locker room.

After the Pats wen 16-0 with Moss and Steelers won the Super Bowl with Holmes.

You say off the field issus have affected on the field performance but there is no tangible evidence that that is the case. All you have to go on is what ESPN tells you.

I think teams win or lose because of how they perform and prepare. Not because they are subconsciously upset with their teammates.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 10:26 PM
And again, all of you bringing up TO's stupid moments with the media - what does that mean to you? It's a bad signing because he's going to ruin the locker room? You really believe that? He's going to badmouth the organization after they were the only team to give him a chance? I just don't see it. He didn't say anything in Buffalo and this is definitely the most comparable situation of all his stops in the NFL.

Borat
08-06-2012, 10:30 PM
T.O. joining the Seahawks is awesome. I was secretly hoping he'd ruin an NFC West team. Good for SF. Can't wait for Dashon Goldson to knock him the **** out.

Bulldogs
08-06-2012, 10:46 PM
TO is much more likely to fizzle out due to lost talent than to badmouth the final organization to give him a shot. Good low risk/high reward signing by the Seahawks.

Ness
08-06-2012, 11:29 PM
Yes I have. Doesn't prove he's not ***. Please post a picture of her because this thread sucks otherwise.

We should be talking about what the deal means football-wise, not the ******** ESPN makes up about locker room cancers.

He ran a 4.45 and looked in fantastic shape during his workout.

LOL so Terrell Owen's words about Jeff Garcia have more merit even though Jeff Garcia is married and has a child? We don't know for sure. Okay. :njx: You could say that about anything regarding any person on this planet practically. Based on the evidence provided, I'd say Terrell Owens was just talking out of his ass as per usual.

T.O. joining the Seahawks is awesome. I was secretly hoping he'd ruin an NFC West team. Good for SF. Can't wait for Dashon Goldson to knock him the **** out.

I hope Goldson lays that hit out in Candlestick too.

gpngc
08-06-2012, 11:37 PM
LOL so Terrell Owen's words about Jeff Garcia have more merit even though Jeff Garcia is married and has a child? We don't know for sure. Okay. :njx: You could say that about anything regarding any person on this planet practically. Based on the evidence provided, I'd say Terrell Owens was just talking out of his ass as per usual.



I hope Goldson lays that hit out in Candlestick too.

I'm obviously joking about Jeff freaking Garcia. No one cares about his sexuality. TO was correct in his football criticisms, that's the point.

EDIT: And clearly you Niner fans are biased because he should have been there his whole career and led them to the Super Bowl.

I would have had this stance had he signed with any team. I like the Moss signing for SF too, for the same reasons. I think 'locker room cancer' is BS and media-created.

vidae
08-06-2012, 11:48 PM
TO needs to learn to shut up but I enjoy watching him play. The dude can ball and he has his entire career. I really hope his attitude doesn't keep him from the Hall of Fame one day.

Ness
08-06-2012, 11:49 PM
EDIT: And clearly you Niner fans are biased because he should have been there his whole career and led them to the Super Bowl.
.

Yes clearly. You've uncovered our motivations.

Borat
08-07-2012, 12:04 AM
He's one of the best WRs of all time, and yet, he's been passed around more than Kim Kardashian. If locker room issues were made up by the media, then why have all these teams been so eager to get rid of him? It certainly wasn't because of lack of performance.

WCH
08-07-2012, 12:04 AM
TO needs to learn to shut up but I enjoy watching him play. The dude can ball and he has his entire career. I really hope his attitude doesn't keep him from the Hall of Fame one day.

I also loved him. He was absolutely dominant in the early 2000's. With his stats, he should be a lock for the HoF. They might make him wait for a few years, but I think he has to get in.

Ness
08-07-2012, 12:10 AM
He's one of the best WRs of all time, and yet, he's been passed around more than Kim Kardashian. If locker room issues were made up by the media, then why have all these teams been so eager to get rid of him? It certainly wasn't because of lack of performance.

Because those teams didn't have thick skin. :njx:

niel89
08-07-2012, 12:37 AM
TO is clearly HoF. He might have to wait a year or two because he just isn't a likable guy but his play/stats put him in the Hall for sure.

Moss is another guy who can be a negative locker guy, but TO is on another level from Moss. Chad Johnson is nothing like TO attitude wise.

phlysac
08-07-2012, 12:45 AM
gpngc...

You're fighting a winless battle, my friend. As a 49ers' fan who still has fondness for Owens, I can promise you the argument can't be won. Jordan Taber is perhaps the only person with the energy left to fight the fight.

http://terrellowensdefense.org/

Ness
08-07-2012, 01:29 AM
gpngc...

You're fighting a winless battle, my friend. As a 49ers' fan who still has fondness for Owens, I can promise you the argument can't be won. Jordan Taber is perhaps the only person with the energy left to fight the fight.

http://terrellowensdefense.org/

I can't believe that website is still up.:facepalm:

Borat
08-07-2012, 02:09 AM
gpngc...

You're fighting a winless battle, my friend. As a 49ers' fan who still has fondness for Owens, I can promise you the argument can't be won. Jordan Taber is perhaps the only person with the energy left to fight the fight.

http://terrellowensdefense.org/

OH NO YOU DIDANT!

PoopSandwich
08-07-2012, 03:45 AM
Yes I have. Doesn't prove he's not ***. Please post a picture of her because this thread sucks otherwise.

We should be talking about what the deal means football-wise, not the ******** ESPN makes up about locker room cancers.

He ran a 4.45 and looked in fantastic shape during his workout.

http://www.wallpaperpimper.com/wallpaper/Female_Celebrity/Carmella_Decesare/Carmella-Decesare-21-2KLZMTJFR2-1024x768.jpg

GO BROWNS

Vox Populi
08-07-2012, 05:38 AM
I still think its ******** that players can't call someone out for having a ****** game without getting labelled as some kind of **** disturber. If NFL players are so sensitive that they lose all composure and morale and locker room chemistry goes to hell because someone said they aren't playing hard enough/making too many mental mistakes, then they need to grow the **** up. I hope that the players hear about how horribly they played from their coaches during practices following their ****** games and they should be able to take it from their teammates as well. This has nothing to do with the Owens/Garcia history though since that had nothing to do with football and would actually be a legitimate reason for creating a massive rift in the locker room between them and other players on the team.

Ness
08-07-2012, 05:42 AM
I still think its ******** that players can't call someone out for having a ****** game without getting labelled as some kind of **** disturber. If NFL players are so sensitive that they lose all composure and morale and locker room chemistry goes to hell because someone said they aren't playing hard enough/making too many mental mistakes, then they need to grow the **** up. I hope that the players hear about how horribly they played from their coaches during practices following their ****** games and they should be able to take it from their teammates as well. This has nothing to do with the Owens/Garcia history though since that had nothing to do with football and would actually be a legitimate reason for creating a massive rift in the locker room between them and other players on the team.

Players do call each other out. So do coaches. During games, practices, meetings, etc.

The issue is going to the media about it. How is this going to help matters?

Vox Populi
08-07-2012, 06:04 AM
Players do call each other out. So do coaches. During games, practices, meetings, etc.

The issue is going to the media about it. How is this going to help matters?

Maybe some players need to be called out more openly than behind closed doors in the locker room, especially coddled franchise players.

Ness
08-07-2012, 06:16 AM
Maybe some players need to be called out more openly than behind closed doors in the locker room, especially coddled franchise players.

Why? How is putting them on blast to the media going to help them? There are players out there that try their best and it still doesn't work out for them...that doesn't mean they deserve to get hounded by their teammates to the world.

Vox Populi
08-07-2012, 06:43 AM
Why? How is putting them on blast to the media going to help them? There are players out there that try their best and it still doesn't work out for them...that doesn't mean they deserve to get hounded by their teammates to the world.

Why not? Its just my opinion.

gpngc
08-07-2012, 10:06 AM
Vox is talking about Donovan McNabb.

Maybe McNabb just works that much harder conditioning the following offseason, knowing that the whole world knows he got tired during the ******* Super Bowl.

Anyway, I expect TO to act the way he did in Buffalo and Cincy. If he wants to throw the organization or QB under the bus after he leaves, and he's right about it, good for him shedding light on a bad situation. The only reason the Bengals got rid of him was that they didn't want to pay him after the knee injury.

This now looks somehow good if he can play at 4.45 and like he did at 36 and 37.

Terrell Owens
Sidney Rice
Doug Baldwin

Then when Rice goes down just sub in Golden Tate.

And there's still Ricardo Lockette and possibly Braylon Edwards. Not a terrible collection of talent.

WCH
08-07-2012, 10:29 AM
If he's really running sub-4.5's, then this seems like a pretty decent signing. It's not like he's suddenly forgotten how to run a route or track a football. If the physical tools are still there, you won't find a better WR in the FA market.

I don't mean to compare him to Jerry Rice because Rice was clearly superior, but he played some very good football with the Raiders, and he was older than TO.

Vox Populi
08-07-2012, 11:04 AM
His hands are a bigger concern than his athleticism anyways.

K Train
08-07-2012, 11:11 AM
He could, I don't know, not have a bunch of kids with random women, or perhaps manage the millions upon millions he made in heyday.
2 women, 4 kids. This isnt exactly antonio cromartie. A years worth of college tuition for the kids and mom per month is a little excessive for a guy without a job though. Its too easy to balk and say well he should have been managing his money better, but how often does that really happen? many many NFL players live paycheck to paycheck

bigbluedefense
08-07-2012, 11:17 AM
I doubt Owens will be a problem child bc he knows he really has no choice but to be a good soldier at this point in his career. He wasn't a problem in Buffalo, and at least publicly he wasn't a problem in Cinncy although there were rumblings that he was acting up behind closed doors.

Regardless of how he acts though, he'll bring a circus with him, and that's where the problem lies.

I don't honestly like the move for Seattle bc I felt they didn't need to make this move. They have talent, and they were flying under the radar. Now they won't sneak up on anybody.

Rosebud
08-07-2012, 11:40 AM
I've always had a soft spot for TO just because he's not well. He seems to be a genuinely good person, who just doesn't function properly. It's a shame to because he's such a hard worker and tough dude. I don't think a receiver has ever impressed me as much as TO did coming back from that broken leg to drag the Eagles to the superbowl. Not only did he come back from the injury early and so was unable to practice, but he was clearly the best player on that offense, and the guy who stepped up when everyone else was ******** themselves, to rally the team. I'm glad Bill Belicheck and his Pats won that superbowl, but if TO were doing that for a team other than the Eagles I would've been rooting for him.

That said I also understand completely why a team wouldn't want a guy who's gone to the media as much as TO has. Things can get ugly in an NFL lockerroom, but keeping it behind closed doors lets you channel that, rather than turning it into a distraction and raising the viciousness.

2 women, 4 kids. This isnt exactly antonio cromartie. A years worth of college tuition for the kids and mom per month is a little excessive for a guy without a job though. Its too easy to balk and say well he should have been managing his money better, but how often does that really happen? many many NFL players live paycheck to paycheck

Yeah, this isn't Travis Henry's dozen or so bastards from a dozen different baby mommas. Plus TO always seems like the type of guy who would compulsively gives his money away, which is why he didn't really fight to lower what he had to pay until he literally didn't have any money left to keep paying those rates.

prock
08-07-2012, 06:42 PM
He's one of the best WRs of all time, and yet, he's been passed around more than Kim Kardashian. If locker room issues were made up by the media, then why have all these teams been so eager to get rid of him? It certainly wasn't because of lack of performance.

Then a one year deal if perfect huh?

prock
08-07-2012, 06:44 PM
The Seahawks just spent a million dollars on one of the greatest receivers of all time, who may be washed up, but also is still in fantastic shape and just ran a 4.45. If he is a cancer for them then they can just cut him at any time. If he isn't then they got themselves a god damned bargain. I wish the Vikings had signed him...

Any questions?

niel89
08-07-2012, 07:12 PM
Overall I'd say its a solid medium risk & reward. He still can put up 700-900 yards and 6-10 tds, but TO always has the possibility of splitting a locker room.

A couple good factors are in play here though. Pete is a nice coach, TO is on his actually last shot for a team, and the Seahawks are almost completely ignored by the media.

GaMeTiMe
08-08-2012, 03:53 AM
I've always had a soft spot for TO just because he's not well. He seems to be a genuinely good person, who just doesn't function properly. It's a shame to because he's such a hard worker and tough dude. I don't think a receiver has ever impressed me as much as TO did coming back from that broken leg to drag the Eagles to the superbowl.

If I remember correctly he didn't play in any games after the injury until the Super Bowl, he didn't drag us there. It was courageous for him to play in that game, but he still wasn't all there and honestly, he really did that for contract leverage the next season, which started the whole saga. His/Rosenhaus' entire stance that off-season was "Well, he risked his career playing in that game"' and it wasn't enough to change the entire philosophy of the front office, oh well.

Owens couldve owned Philadelphia if he simply shut up and returned the next year for another chance at a title. It was mostly staged by Rosenhaus, but any sensible player can fire their agent on the spot. He's got mental problems dealing with false entitlement, and while I am rooting for him because I can't deny talent I just hope he's able to comprehend the fact that he's no longer elite and needs to do everything he can to hold his job. I didnt have a problem with him in Cincy and at his ceiling it could be more of the same in Seattle, for his sake. Again, hopefully we can appreciate a crafty receiver who knows it takes all he's got to stick as a starter, rather than the egotistical, yet lost soul we've seen elsewhere

dan77733
08-08-2012, 10:11 AM
Owens comments about Garcia being ***. Nothing to do with football and who gives a crap either way?

Owens comments about McNabb were spot on and quite honestly, if your Owens coming off a broken fibula and sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber so you can play in the Super Bowl six weeks later and your QB who's making double what you're making is puking on the field and taking all the time in the world at the end of the game, you wouldnt be pissed off? I would be pissed as hell. Seriously, McNabb couldnt suck it up for four hours? And years later, McNabb isnt on an NFL team because of his work ethic and conditioning. Basically, Owens said it seven years ago and was right yet people bash him? Makes no sense.

In Dallas, Owens should have been pissed off with Romo and him going on vacation with Jessica Simpson instead of preparing for the Giants after the bye. Owens has one of his best seasons of his career and your QB cares more about getting laid than he does about football which is whats giving him that chance to get laid to begin with. Yeah, I would be pissed off too.

Owens didnt create any problems in Buffalo.

As for Cincy, people are complaining about Owens bashing the franchise yet its all true plus it wasnt Owens who punched out Marvin Lewis, it was Chad Johnson yet it was easier for Johnson to sign with a team last year and now.

Owens mouthes off.....big deal. At least he has the balls to speak his mind. Most people are cowards and dont. Plus, what he says is pretty much all true which is why people really hate him. He's telling you what turns out to be true and backs it up on the field. Few can do that.

Quite honestly, if Owens is bashing players/coaches/etc., instead of everyone bashing Owens, they should be more concerned about whether or not what he's saying is true and since what he says is true more times than not, I would be more concerned about solving the root of the problem, which isnt Owens but the true stuff he's saying.

Also, there's players in the NFL who get arrested all the time yet are loved but Owens who's worst attribute is mouthing off gets hated. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Let's hate a guy who speaks the truth more times than not but love a guy who just got arrested for his fifth DUI. Seriously, people have their priorities screwed up when they're bashing a guy who mouths off yet praises a guy like Favre who only came back in 2010 for the money, even said so and screwed over the Vikings.

Owens is right in regards that if it was Favre who came back in the Super Bowl, everyone would be praising him and calling him heroic. But since its Owens and people are too stupid and too blind to relaize that what he says is either true or turns out be true, he gets bashed instead.

And people do follow/listen to ESPN way too much. Thankfully, I dont have that problem.

49erNation85
08-08-2012, 06:42 PM
It is Owens what can we say . He will be him self and be medicore old wide out.

Ness
08-08-2012, 07:55 PM
At least get off your knees Dan.

Doesn't matter, it's pretty easy to see why Owens is on his seventh team. Well, for most people it's easy.


In Dallas, Owens should have been pissed off with Romo and him going on vacation with Jessica Simpson instead of preparing for the Giants after the bye. Owens has one of his best seasons of his career and your QB cares more about getting laid than he does about football which is whats giving him that chance to get laid to begin with. Yeah, I would be pissed off too.

Right, Owens was so pissed off at Romo he cried in his defense after the playoff loss to the Giants.

gpngc
08-08-2012, 08:21 PM
At least get off your knees Dan.

Doesn't matter, it's pretty easy to see why Owens is on his seventh team. Well, for most people it's easy.



Right, Owens was so pissed off at Romo he cried in his defense after the playoff loss to the Giants.

Owens clearly has personal issues that affect how he acts. No one is denying that. He also tried to commit suicide like twice apparently.

What we are arguing with is this perception that his personality somehow ruins NFL teams.

How many teams has Randy Moss been on? For that we'll discount his talent and project that he won't be any good or will somehow ruin the locker room? Hell no! So why do it for Owens?

JordanTaber
12-06-2012, 04:44 PM
I'm gonna bump this for Ness. Watch and learn, folks.

I like how you left out the comment where Owens thought Garcia was ***, which was of course, a lie.


How can a thought be a lie?

I like how you leave out a few key details:

1. Owens was no longer Garcia's teammate at the time of the Playboy interview. It was in the summer of 2004. Owens was a member of the Eagles, Garcia was with the Browns.

2. Owens was asked if he thought Garcia was ***. He didn't come up with it on his own. Why do you think he was asked? Maybe you were too young at the time, but rumors had been swirling that Garcia was *** for years. There was even a Bang! Cartoon making fun of him for exhibiting all the stereotypical *** mannerisms that came out in 2003 (well before the Playboy interview). (http://bangcartoon.com/2003/49erhouse.htm)

3. Owens said he wouldn't personally have a problem with a *** teammate.


McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl. Sure. Again, why is going to the media blabbering about it a necessity? Again, how is this helping the team?

I'm going to issue a challenge: Find me a quote from Owens alleging McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl.

This is a rhetorical challenge, of course. Owens never said McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl. He said, and I quote, "I wasn't the guy who got tired in the Super Bowl."

There's a reason we knew he was referring to McNabb, and it exposes the underlying double standard - Owens was referring to recent interviews involving Hank Fraley and Freddie Mitchell, both of whom announced to the world McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl and looked like he was either holding in vomit, or perhaps even did vomit, in the huddle.

It's OK when they do it, but if Owens refers to it in a thinly veiled shot, suddenly the world is about to end.

And why did Owens mention that? Well, in the context of an interview with Len Pasquarelli about how hard Owens worked to get back on the field after the broken leg, he was discussing how he felt about his performance in the Super Bowl and the fact that he did everything he did to prepare himself physically.

He was ready, and McNabb, the guy who upset him by telling the press in the week leading up to the game, "We do not need Terrell Owens to win this football game," was not.

Imagine if the situations had been reversed, and it had been Owens who belittled McNabb's efforts to return for the Super Bowl after breaking his leg by stating to the press, "We do not need Donovan McNabb to win this football game." Owens would have been blown to bits in a media onslaught.


Romo proved that Owens was expendable. And the notion that he and Witten teamed up to alienate Owens in the passing game was just an excuse Owens used because he felt like he wasn't getting the ball enough. Simply put, he was bitching.

Another rhetorical challenge for you: Find me a single quote where Owens said anything about Romo/Witten "teaming up"/secret plays/etc.

You will never find one, because it doesn't exist.

Whatever Owens did say, he kept it behind closed doors, and it is only because of some "anonymous sources" (one teammate and one or more members of the media - I break the article down to prove these numbers on my website) that we ever heard a word about it.

In essence, what Ed Werder was really reporting was that Terrell Owens met in private with his offensive coordinator (Jason Garrett) to air his frustrations about the offense. This is exactly what players are told to do. Coaches don't like it when players publicly complain about their roles (though that happens regularly in sports - your hero, Jerry Rice, took part in countless instances of this, in addition to all his behind-the-scenes complaining), but there's an understanding that there should be open communication within a football team.

Just about every skill position player in football has complained to a coach about his role at one time or another. Owens is no different from the average player in this regard. He's just infinitely more visible.


Cincinnati struggled sure. Maybe the coaches were at fault. Maybe it was just a lack of execution on the players part. Marvin Lewis could have said the same thing, but he didn't. Why? Because how would that help the team.

Owens didn't call out the coaches. He called out the whole team - he said, and I quote, "it starts from the top down." He mentioned the owner, coaching staff, and players in his response.

You bought the media spin hook, line, and sinker. You read the headline and never bothered to read the actual content of the article, including the actual quote, and actually think critically. Most people don't.

Steve Young got it. "We give this guy entirely too much grief. If you listen to what he said, he was trying to be politically correct with it." But that's because Steve Young's seen it for himself.

Also, no mention anywhere of Chad asking the question of who was to blame for the Bengals' failed season, and telling Owens, "and don't give me any of that politically correct BS." Owens didn't take the bait, trying to be as politically correct as he could while still answering the question. Of course, it doesn't matter at this point. It hasn't mattered in 12 years.


And believe it or not on the field performance can be effected by the smallest things.

Nope, they can't be effected by anything. They might be affected, though.

If someone at your workplace is putting you on blast and telling everyone else in the building that you aren't very good and you get wind of it, it's probably not going to help your focus while you are doing your task.

Here we go again with the silly workplace analogy.

"White 90, White 90, set...oh ****, someone in the media told me T.O. said something critical of me....HUT!!!"

Football is a sport where you need thick skin. Coaches are going to scream at you, players are going to scream at you, and you're going to be criticized. That's the way it is.

All of this has nothing to do with Terrell Owens, by the way.


If that person truly feels that way and that person's performance is getting in the way of doing their own job they can go to a superior and talk about it behind closed doors. How is telling the entire nation going to help matters? Oh yeah, it's not. And this is why Owens is on his 100th team now.

I'd just like to know when Owens has "told the entire nation" anything of actual note.

You say that like it's fact, and yet, Owens has only been suspended twice in his entire career. One of them was over freak'n TD celebrations. Bill Walsh threatened to trade him after those.

You probably have no idea of this, given your age, but Owens was known as the consummate team player from 1996-week 4 of 2000. After his celebrations on the star, he was lambasted until the cows came home and being called everything from "selfish" to "the biggest jerk in sports" to "a horrible teammate" to "arrogant" to "a disgrace."

I was there and watched it all. I saw the transformation. You didn't. That's why you're so misled.

Primetime21
12-06-2012, 05:00 PM
^Drew Rosenhaus has an account on DC??!

vidae
12-06-2012, 05:04 PM
*popcorn* This gon be good.

Caulibflower
12-06-2012, 05:30 PM
Kind of a tangent, but I think Steve Young's one of my favorite booth personalities.

J255979-11nine
12-06-2012, 05:43 PM
Kind of a tangent, but I think Steve Young's one of my favorite booth personalities.

Yeah, if you like arrogant pricks.

XxXdragonXxX
12-06-2012, 05:57 PM
This thread should die in a fire.


T.O. sucks

descendency
12-06-2012, 07:12 PM
TO has an opinion on everything, doesn't know when or how to voice it, and people who share his beliefs will rally around him.

He's not a bad person, but he's not a good guy to have in a team sport. If being a WR was an individual sport - he'd be the Michael Jordan of it.

Caulibflower
12-06-2012, 07:36 PM
I feel like he's a person who has a hard time knowing when to stop and will keep going and going as long as people are egging him on. Of course, there are always people who wish he would stop, and at some point the detractors began weighing more heavily than his talent in the way he's perceived.

phlysac
12-06-2012, 09:52 PM
Really? People are going to argue with Jordan about T.O.?


Pull up a chair.

Ness
12-06-2012, 10:26 PM
I hurt his feelings in the 49ers forum so he made a long rant regarding Owens. Too bad this garbage went unread. What a giant waste of time. Doesn't matter. Anyone with half a brain knows that Owens wasn't the victim in his career, and anyone with half a brain doesn't waste their time with Terrell Owens' lawyer who is now on my ignore list. Not sure if anyone else here was giving him the time of day anyways. Tired of sifting through BS. Yup we all watched and learned while JordanTaber made an ass out of himself as per usual. Hahahaha.

Really? People are going to argue with Jordan about T.O.?


Pull up a chair.

That's the kicker. We weren't talking about Owens in the other thread. Dude got pissed about something completely irrelevant so he dug up a thread and make a long post about something he feels comfortable about conversing (even though it's completely irrelevant to how this all started) so he could feel important and try to "own" me or whatever the rhetoric I'm sure that he'll play with in his follow up post in an attempt to make himself feel like a big man on the internet. Not a big deal though. This thread will sink back to the bottom of the forum like the tail end of Terrell Owens career. Revenge plot fail. JordanTaber is a troll and always has been, trying to start ish on the web for no reason because he's bored with his own pathetic life and I shudder to think how many forums he's been banned from. A good example:

http://forums.kffl.com/threads/223346-49ers-to-get-new-uniforms-for-2009

The last long post in particular in the thread is quite hilarious and speaks volumes.

PACKmanN
12-06-2012, 11:55 PM
I feel like some guys get punished by fans and media more so than guys who are similar personalities as they are.

No matter what people think of TO, he had a hof career. The hof shouldn't be a personality contest, but who was the best in a given era

JordanTaber
12-07-2012, 07:42 PM
TO has an opinion on everything, doesn't know when or how to voice it, and people who share his beliefs will rally around him.

He's not a bad person, but he's not a good guy to have in a team sport. If being a WR was an individual sport - he'd be the Michael Jordan of it.

He doesn't voice it. He purposely goes out of his way to avoid controversy while people try to bait him into saying something, yet it's never enough. That's the point.

His image has absolutely nothing to do with anything he's actually said. They were determined to find implications in every little thing he said because they'd vilified him over his touchdown celebrations.

All the mythical "incidents" you might bring up now - they were saying all the same things about him before any of them "happened." Back in 2000-2002, before Garcia, McNabb, or Romo "happened," people were calling him all the same names because of his star and Sharpie celebrations.

Here's a video illustrating this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ktz7ZOsPt4

JordanTaber
12-07-2012, 07:52 PM
I hurt his feelings in the 49ers forum so he made a long rant regarding Owens. Too bad this garbage went unread. What a giant waste of time. Doesn't matter. Anyone with half a brain knows that Owens wasn't the victim in his career, and anyone with half a brain doesn't waste their time with Terrell Owens' lawyer who is now on my ignore list. Not sure if anyone else here was giving him the time of day anyways. Tired of sifting through BS. Yup we all watched and learned while JordanTaber made an ass out of himself as per usual. Hahahaha.


Oh, please. Everyone here knows you're ducking the fight because you know you'll get destroyed. This is what I do. I know too much. Your argument is, "I'm right because I say so." That's, uhhh....not gonna cut it.

JordanTaber
12-07-2012, 07:53 PM
I feel like he's a person who has a hard time knowing when to stop and will keep going and going as long as people are egging him on. Of course, there are always people who wish he would stop, and at some point the detractors began weighing more heavily than his talent in the way he's perceived.

When to stop what?