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MaxV
08-12-2012, 03:06 PM
So the new era begins. Hopefully it's a long and successful one.

killxswitch
08-13-2012, 08:29 AM
I had to listen to the game on the radio which was disappointing, but I've since been able to watch some highlights and Luck looked awesome. He was so agile in the pocket, easily sliding away from pressure and getting his passes off. The multiple sets on offense look like they're going to be difficult to defend. While I did not obviously get to see a lot of the game I get the impression that the OL is still not where it needs to be. I think they will improve as they play more together but I doubt we have more than 2 long-term starters currently on the roster. From what I've read Justice and especially McGlynn looked bad and the OL improved when he got hurt. I was hoping to hear more about Fleener and Allen, it looks like they barely saw any action as receivers.

Defensively I am excited about the versatility and chaos of the Pagano/Manusky hybrid 3-4. It's just preseason but the Rams were seriously held down. Only 2.8 ypc rushing, one FG, no TDs, great. It will be interesting to see who our final starting DL is. It's just one game but I am expecting it to be Redding, McKinney, and Nevis at this point. I wish Josh Chapman was ready to go. I have heard good things about Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, Jerrell Freeman, and Kavell Conner at LB. Sucks Angerer got hurt.

I can't wait til the next game.

MaxV
08-13-2012, 09:36 AM
I've read the same thing.

Looks like OL and secondary are our 2 clear-cut weaknesses.

Our front 7 might be better then people realize.

Our running game is a wild card. None of our backs are stars, but I think we could have a solid rotation if (and it's a big if) the OL opens some holes for them.

killxswitch
08-13-2012, 09:57 AM
Brown is a threat when he gets space. I am not a big fan of Brown but you can't deny he is a home run hitter. His problem is trying to find a hole in the line and popping through it. So I don't see him ever being more than a part-time RB on this team. Used in the right situations, he is a weapon. Run a delay or a draw, toss him a dump off pass, etc. But he has no vision behind the line of scrimmage and he's not going to break tackles. If he was a better receiver he might remind me a bit of Reggie Bush. I think we have the pieces in place to have a complete running game, but it will take a lot of subbing in different packages and having good football situational awareness.

RCAChainGang
08-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Pat Angerer is going to be gone for 6 weeks. Ouch... INJURIEZZ

killxswitch
08-13-2012, 07:00 PM
That sucks because when he is physically back he will be behind the curve because the other guys will have been in the defense for 6 weeks without him. Conner and Freeman seem solid so he might have a tough time returning as a starter right away.

RCAChainGang
08-13-2012, 11:18 PM
That sucks because when he is physically back he will be behind the curve because the other guys will have been in the defense for 6 weeks without him. Conner and Freeman seem solid so he might have a tough time returning as a starter right away.

Well that is a good problem to have I guess.

killxswitch
08-13-2012, 11:26 PM
True. But I like Angerer so I am bummed for him. I'm sure he'll get on the field somehow, he's too good not to.

RCAChainGang
08-13-2012, 11:35 PM
True. But I like Angerer so I am bummed for him. I'm sure he'll get on the field somehow, he's too good not to.

This is truth. I think he a little further along than other players from the statement I read by Pagano. Pagano thought really highly of him so I expect him to bounce back. I'm sure he will return to the lineup before the halfway point of this year.

killxswitch
08-13-2012, 11:40 PM
Speaking of guys returning (or in this case just arriving in the first place) I hope Josh Chapman can start at least practicing soon. I have high hopes, didn't think he'd still be out at this point.

RCAChainGang
08-13-2012, 11:53 PM
Yeah I haven't heard anything about him. What is his timetable? And it was an ACL injury right?

RCAChainGang
08-14-2012, 03:41 PM
Did anybody get a good look at the corner across Powers? Opinions?

jared3
08-17-2012, 04:19 PM
CB Justin King (Former Ram) played well as well as CB D.J. Johnson (former Giant).

MaxV
08-19-2012, 08:50 PM
Very good first half from Luck.

After first 2 drives, he settled down and did his thing.

The 2nd INT was arguably the best throw of the game, Hilton bubbled it right into defender's hands.

Some other notes:

- Vick Ballard is a good back. One run in particular, he spun away from the defender, stiff-armed another and beat another to the edge. I think he might be the best RB on our roster.

- Hughes looks MUCH more comfortable in this system, including making plays vs. the run.

- Mario Addison can play. Not only should be make the roster, but I think he should be part of rotation.

- O-Line is really mediocre. Most of the successful runs were to outside, they aren't opening any holes inside. Pass-protection has been ok, although Luck moved around the pocket well and has a quick release.

- I like our front 7. I think this could really be the key for us. I'm not used seeing physical guys in the front 7 in the Colts' uniform.

- Tackling at times has been questionable. Gotta fix that.

killxswitch
08-20-2012, 08:40 AM
Good thoughts Max.

Luck showed jitters. Who wouldn't facing the Steelers for the first time? I am very impressed with the way he came out after each INT and lead the team on an 80 yard TD drive. His pocket presence and ball placement are stupid good for a rookie, and already better than many starting QBs in the league. It is just unfair how we fell into drafting him. One of the best things Polian ever did for the Colts. There were some throws to the sideline that probably needed more zip.

Ballard is exciting. His violent running style reminds me a little of Adrian Peterson. I am not saying he will be that good. Just that it's a little reminiscent. I think he is a great compliment to Brown (who has some skill when he gets room). I do think he'll end up the feature back eventually.

I am sure the quality of competition applies a bit here, but Hughes and Addison have looked more comfortable as OLBs than Mathis and Freeney so far. Now Mathis is dinged and Freeney still looks lost. But I am happy with the OLB depth, Hughes and Addison have been surprisingly good. I just hope they can keep it up.

I actually thought the OL was much improved. Outside of a couple plays where Luck was either sacked or had to really move to get the ball out, he had room and time. Satele was better than the first game. Castonzo and Reitz were too. And Justice even looked more solid. We still need a real RG though. Hopefully somebody good gets cut from a team w/good depth. I think they will all continue to get better as they keep playing together. Hopefully they all stay healthy.

I like Nevis and Mathews at DE, more than Moala for sure. I wish Redding could stay healthy. I don't really like Mookie or McKinney as a starting NT. And Chapman isn't going to be ready right away. So that is a tough spot right now.

I am also not impressed by Zbikowski. He talks tough and tries hard but he is a wrap-up-and-fall-down tackler that isn't terribly fast or terribly instinctive. He reminds me of Melvin Bullitt in that he's a great backup but not a very good starter. Maybe he will turn it on later. I just kind of doubt it. We still need two real starters in the secondary.

MaxV
08-20-2012, 10:05 AM
Agreed. This is just pre-season, but I think it's pretty clear that our main weaknesses are OL and secondary.

We only have one starting caliber OG and one starting caliber CB on the roster.

Some other things I wanted to mention:

- It's early, but Dwayne Allen has outplayed Fleener by a significant margin. Fleener might run a better 40 time, but Allen looks like a better football player.

- It saddens me to say this, but Austin Collie needs to hang it up. Even if he didn't suffer a concussion yesterday (I really hope he didn't), the simple fact that he is experiencing the symptoms after every hit to the helmet is a VERY bad sign.

- Love the fact that the new coaching staff is recognizing players strengths and weaknesses. They are trying to get the ball to Donald Brown in space as much as possible. Previous staff kept on running him between the tackles all the time.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
08-21-2012, 10:01 AM
Looking at the QB's in the AFC south it is interesting. Schaub only has a few years left and cant seem to stay healthy anyways. Gabbert was the worst QB in the NFl last year and Locker doesn't seem to have "it" still. If we keep drafting like we did last year I like the look of the next decade for us lol. Still can't believe at times we are going from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck.

killxswitch
08-21-2012, 10:09 AM
Gabbert has supposedly improved some and he has a few good targets now in Blackmon and Robinson, plus Marcedes Lewis is a good red zone threat if he decides he wants to be. But overall yeah I think the Colts will be dominant again starting in 2013 or 2014. At the very least I expect to contend hard for the division in 2013.

killxswitch
08-23-2012, 01:30 PM
Irsay is stirring things up on Twitter, apparently another trade is imminent.

RCAChainGang
08-23-2012, 07:13 PM
Mike Wallace - Austin Collie went down and while he is the slot guy I wouldn't be suprised if we go after Wallace.

MJD - We still don't have a sure thing at rb. I wonder if MJD would even help all that much with the run blocking we have.

Who knows?

Seamus2602
08-23-2012, 07:15 PM
Mike Wallace - Austin Collie went down and while he is the slot guy I wouldn't be suprised if we go after Wallace.

MJD - We still don't have a sure thing at rb. I wonder if MJD would even help all that much with the run blocking we have.

Who knows?

Can't afford Mo Drew. The Colts are right against the Cap this season. Wallace makes sense as his cap hit this year will be tiny.

killxswitch
08-23-2012, 07:16 PM
I dont' think MJD is even a possibility. He is older, lots of wear and tear, wants a huge contract, and RBs just aren't big-ticket players anymore.

Mike Wallace is interesting. But at what cost? And why would the Steelers move him now?

I actually kind of expect nothing to happen at this point. I wish Irsay would shut up if talks are still so up in the air.

I've also heard Vontae Davis' name floating around.

Seamus2602
08-23-2012, 07:18 PM
I dont' think MJD is even a possibility. He is older, lots of wear and tear, wants a huge contract, and RBs just aren't big-ticket players anymore.

Mike Wallace is interesting. But at what cost? And why would the Steelers move him now?

I actually kind of expect nothing to happen at this point. I wish Irsay would shut up if talks are still so up in the air.

I've also heard Vontae Davis' name floating around.

The Steelers will move him now knowing he ain't coming back next season. The best they get out of him by keeping him is 2012 production plus a 2014 late 3rd pick. By moving him now they get a higher pick in 2013.

Seamus2602
08-23-2012, 07:22 PM
There are some rumours floating around that the player in question is a Cornerback.

MaxV
08-23-2012, 10:36 PM
I hope it's either CB or OL.

Those are the areas I worry about the most.

RCAChainGang
08-23-2012, 10:38 PM
Is Vontae Davis all that good?

killxswitch
08-24-2012, 07:31 AM
Is Vontae Davis all that good?

I've heard he showed up to camp out of shape and with a bad attitude, and that this was apparent in a specific Hard Knocks episode. I don't watch HK so I don't know for sure. He and Sean Smith both have been considered solid-or-better CBs since their rookie years.

K Train
08-24-2012, 11:23 AM
is josh chapman healthy yet? just wonderin

killxswitch
08-24-2012, 12:38 PM
is josh chapman healthy yet? just wonderin

He hasn't played yet, and as far as I know hasn't even practiced. I heard a rumor that he was going to play tomorrow vs. the Redskins but who knows. He played a long time on a torn ACL, I just hope he can play at all.

MaxV
08-26-2012, 09:03 AM
I didn't see the game, but it sounds like the only positive was the play of QBs.

Looks like we have more holes then I previously thought.

MaxV
08-26-2012, 01:28 PM
Mystery solved.

Colts trade 2nd rounder for Vontae Davis.

This should improve our secondary. But it looks like we'll have very few picks in next year's draft.

Grigson might earn himself a new nickname, "Quick Trigger".

falloutboy14
08-26-2012, 01:52 PM
My thoughts Offense:
Castonzo/Reitz are pretty good at their spots, but the other 3 spots are rather poor. Saw a few instances where they switched blocking assignments during a play. So compared to the rest of the line, they are in fact blocking people and are coordinated in doing so. I saw two plays in the first quarter where Satele's attempts to block were border-line comical. We need 3 new O-linemen over the long-term.

Brown is pretty yucky between the tackles, but was able to make people miss. Also, did we have success against the Steelers with the draw play? We sure didn't vs the Redskins. In pass-blocking, he spent most of his time assisting our tackles against their OLBs, put his shoulder into the defender and help from there.

Hilton looks really good considering he's a 3rd rounder. Didn't see much from the TEs yesterday. The offense really went through Wayne/Hilton at least while Luck was in.


Defense:
Freeney at OLB is a square peg in a round hole. He looks lost and clunky back-pedaling, and I think his pass rush loses something while standing. Him at OLB almost turns him from a strength to a weakness. With Mathis on the bench (he sat out I assume due to his shoulder injury last week), the strength of our defense is our ILBs & Bethea.

They got 3 long runs when Hughes/Freeney didn't set the edge/didn't prevent the cut-back.

I do like Conner/Freeman at ILB. They're not superstars or anything, but getting their job done. That said our D-line isn't doing them any favors.

Everything I've seen from A. Johnson says he's not a 3-4 nt (he struggles when single-blocked, let along demanding a double-team). Multiple plays he's just pushed out of the middle by a single O-lineman.

I didn't even bother looking at the 2ndary but Griffen was 11/17. If you consider there were 3-4 long bomb attempts, that puts him at 11/14 when not just chucking it deep. There weren't a lot of 15-20 yd completions (which is probably more due to RG3 than our 2ndary, but they got 7-10 yards almost every time they attempted it.

All in all, the deciding factor in the game was that they could run the ball, we could not. I don't recall seeing a single tackle for a loss by our defense. Nor any defender really drawing a double team. Alternatively when we ran the ball, our runners were dodging defenders in the back-field, ran into a scrum of players with no running lanes, or were run down at the LoS from behind by a corner.

On that note, the WR tight formations really do clog the running lanes. IMO, having them near the O-line just leads to their defender having a better chance to make the play on running plays. Not sure if there's an advantage I'm missing, but yeah. IMO our best chance for success this season will be with 4 receiving options wide (whether they're TEs or WRs I don't care) and with a RB there to block and pretend we might run it. But all the positives I recall discussing about running from the 2-TE set, I'm not seeing it. That said, its the pre-season and we'll have a better chance to judge week 1.

MaxV
08-27-2012, 10:00 AM
And we lost Brandon McKinney for the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/26/colts-lose-brandon-mckinney-to-torn-acl/

Hopefully Chapman can come back and contribute soon. NT all of a sudden is a big concern.

killxswitch
08-27-2012, 11:09 AM
My thoughts Offense:
Castonzo/Reitz are pretty good at their spots, but the other 3 spots are rather poor. Saw a few instances where they switched blocking assignments during a play. So compared to the rest of the line, they are in fact blocking people and are coordinated in doing so. I saw two plays in the first quarter where Satele's attempts to block were border-line comical. We need 3 new O-linemen over the long-term.


We have no RG and Justice has been disappointing. I am hoping Good Satele shows up more during the regular season because Bad Satele is going to get Luck killed.


Brown is pretty yucky between the tackles, but was able to make people miss. Also, did we have success against the Steelers with the draw play? We sure didn't vs the Redskins. In pass-blocking, he spent most of his time assisting our tackles against their OLBs, put his shoulder into the defender and help from there.

Brown will never been a between-the-tackles runner. He isn't strong enough AND his vision is terrible. Give him space and he is a threat. But he is a situational back only. Great 1st round pick Polian. Nice job.


Hilton looks really good considering he's a 3rd rounder. Didn't see much from the TEs yesterday. The offense really went through Wayne/Hilton at least while Luck was in.

Given all the trading Grigs is doing I wish they hadn't had to trade up for him. But he has had some seriously pro catches so far. I'm sure he's learning a ton from Wayne.

Defense:
Freeney at OLB is a square peg in a round hole. He looks lost and clunky back-pedaling, and I think his pass rush loses something while standing. Him at OLB almost turns him from a strength to a weakness. With Mathis on the bench (he sat out I assume due to his shoulder injury last week), the strength of our defense is our ILBs & Bethea.

They got 3 long runs when Hughes/Freeney didn't set the edge/didn't prevent the cut-back.

Freeney has not looked good but I am reserving judgement until the real games start. I think Pagano will use him effectively, even if that means his role becomes more situational.

Everything I've seen from A. Johnson says he's not a 3-4 nt (he struggles when single-blocked, let along demanding a double-team). Multiple plays he's just pushed out of the middle by a single O-lineman.

This preseason has been rough. Too many players that actually matter are getting hurt. Powers at least sounds like he'll be OK. Losing McKinney blows, especially since Chapman won't even be available to play til week 7. We're down to AJ and Chigbo Anunoby. I agree AJ hasn't looked great.


On that note, the WR tight formations really do clog the running lanes. IMO, having them near the O-line just leads to their defender having a better chance to make the play on running plays. Not sure if there's an advantage I'm missing, but yeah. IMO our best chance for success this season will be with 4 receiving options wide (whether they're TEs or WRs I don't care) and with a RB there to block and pretend we might run it. But all the positives I recall discussing about running from the 2-TE set, I'm not seeing it. That said, its the pre-season and we'll have a better chance to judge week 1.

The playcalling was questionable for much of the Skins game. I think we will see more of Luck adjusting things from the line in the regular season.

killxswitch
08-27-2012, 11:10 AM
Hopefully a good NT gets cut and we get first dibs. When McKinney grabbed behind his knee I knew he'd torn his ACL.

MaxV
08-27-2012, 11:39 AM
Hopefully a good NT gets cut and we get first dibs. When McKinney grabbed behind his knee I knew he'd torn his ACL.

Yeap, NT and OL are needed.

Docta
08-27-2012, 11:40 AM
Pagano says Collie is only day-to-day, and will be ready by the season opener.

killxswitch
08-27-2012, 11:55 AM
Pagano says Collie is only day-to-day, and will be ready by the season opener.

Seems like a really bad idea to me. I hope he knows what he's doing. He is the 2nd best receiver on the team but his brain has taken a beating pretty early in his career.

MaxV
09-01-2012, 01:40 PM
So far they've claimed NT Martin Tevaseu, OL Mike Person and FS Sergio Brown.

I've read good things on Tevaseu. Sounds like he was just a victim of numbers game of the deep Jets D-Line.

Person is a versatile OL guy who can play either OT or OG, but not much of an upgrade at either spot.

Brown isn't really a starting caliber guy, but might be a good backup and ST guy.

To make room, Colts release SS Jermale Hines, OT Ty Nsekhe and CB DJ Johnson. Hopefully Nsekhe is kept on PS.

killxswitch
09-01-2012, 03:34 PM
Bummed that Nsekhe didn't make the team. OL looks pretty bad right now.

RCAChainGang
09-03-2012, 03:36 PM
Do we have a shot against the Bears? Are they sitting Collie? And who the hell is lining up at NT? Johnson?

RagingColt
09-03-2012, 05:08 PM
Johnson is our NT for now till we upgrade in FA or the draft next off season. Our offense has the potential to score points though i'm quite concerned about our talent on the O-Line. Chicago isn't suppose to have much in pass protection so we might get some pressure on Jay. The Bears WRs at this point are better than out secondary. Will see how long it takes for Davis to pick up our defense and if he can avoid knucklehead decision making off the field.

I think we can compete this year in perhaps half of the games if not a few more but anymore than 4/5 wins is pretty optimistic. As mentioned before, our O-Line and secondary are still a year or two away from allowing the team to be playoff competitive.

MaxV
09-10-2012, 07:43 AM
Well, that was a reality check I guess.

This team is further away from competing then I thought.

O-Line and D-Line need to be rebuild completely. And we need help in other areas (OLB, DB and maybe ILB) as well.

I'm already looking at 2013 prospects that could be big upgrades for us.

killxswitch
09-10-2012, 08:29 AM
I am OK with our DBs. With all the time Cutler had to stand around in the pocket, and with the caliber of WR they had to defend, I don't think you can blame them too much this game. Zbikowski will have to do this year and probably next year. I'm also not concerned about our ILBs, especially once Angerer can rotate again.

At OLB I don't know if Hughes is really that big of a downgrade to Freeney in this defense or if the defensive playcalling needs work or what. But the pressure just mostly disappeared once Freeney went out. It came back here and there, and I'm sure Tice had the line make adjustments to counter the scheme. But Hughes looked terrible (bad effort, bad angles, what happened to the preseason Hughes?), Mathis wasn't a big factor, and I didn't notice Addison if he did make it into the game. Mathis apparently did get a 2nd sack at some point in the game but Cutler had lots of time to throw for the most part.

Which brings me to the DL. Terrible, terrible game. We don't have a nosetackle. Johnson is not going to cut it. The new guy, I will call him MTV because I don't remember his real name, didn't look much better. Just not stout enough to demand multiple blockers and keep the LBs free. Moala played like I always expect him to. I didn't notice Nevis in much, and didn't see him making a difference when he was in. Same for Mathews. I was disappointed in Redding. He probably played the best out of the DEs but he still struggled with his blocker at times and then got hurt again. The DL as a whole did a bad job of protecting the LBs and it lead to Forte and Bush punishing us at the worst times. Anytime the Bears OL is able to stonewall a 6 man rush there is a huge problem. Star Lotuleili in the draft, anyone?

On offense, we are set at QB, TE, LT, WR1, and maybe RB. The other 4 OL spots were all AWFUL. Luck is going to get killed if we have Olsen and McGlynn letting interior rushers through so easily every game. Satele I think might be good if he had better guards playing on either side, but he doesn't. He's not good on his own and not good enough to elevate the play of others. I don't see the strength he's reported to have. Linkenbach should be cut after this game, he fails every time he gets an opportunity (and he gets opportunities often, since our OLmen get hurt so much).

We need two starting guards (I like Reitz but he can't stay healthy), another starting tackle, and depth. Spend some of that big chunk of cap fixing the line, Grigson. Luck needs the protection.

We also need the WRs to learn how to get open in the NFL. Luck will not have time to let them outrun defenders. The young guys need to watch Wayne and how he got open so fast vs. the Bears.

IMO only one of Luck's turnovers was his fault. The late INT in the redzone. The other two INTs were a tipped ball that should've been caught and a missed offsides penalty that Luck thought was a free play so he took a shot. And blame Linkenbach and the other OL for his fumble. It pissed me off to see Link actually shove Wooten INTO Luck, while Castonzo and Olsen stood there looking the wrong way for someone to block. Heads not on a swivel at all.

This offense needs to throw the slower-developing plays out for now and focus on plays that either get the ball out of Luck's hands fast or get him moving outside the pocket. And the OL needs to pull their heads out of their asses and run block. Luck needs a run game. Brown showed he sometimes can run between the tackles. I was surprised. But he and Ballard will need much better more consistent blocking.

falloutboy14
09-10-2012, 12:04 PM
My first thought from the game is, we're sooooo lucky to have Wayne. Without him this offense would be a disaster and Luck would be in a much more difficult situation.

Think the secondary played very well. There were some passes defended that were far better than I've seen in in recent times. Bears have some very good receivers but a trash O-line. And we couldn't exploit that weakness like we normally could. If we had the pass-rush we had in previous years, we could have a very strong pass defense. I'm pleased/content with Zbikowski so far.

Regarding Freeney, I'm not sold on him as valuable as a 3-4 olb. I think the drop in pass-rush was more a result of the threat of Freeney. On 2 plays where Freeney dropped back, 2 blockers were left with no one to block and single-blockers on the other side. His reputation as a pass-rusher paired with the confusion that 3-4 defenses can cause were our best weapons yesterday.

Regarding the O-line, yeah it's a mess. I really think we need to examine our play-calling, and find a way to be successful. I don't want this to turn into a David Carr situation, and yesterday was a step in that direction. Need to get some screens to Hilton/Brazil, or leave 7-8 blockers in.

Considering that I'd rather not use a top 10 pick on the O-line, we don't have a 2nd round next year, and I don't trust a 3rd round+ to step in right away, I'm hoping we can get this sorted out in free agency next year. With $40m to spend, we should be able to get 3-4 good starters. I'm near certain Grigs & Chuck value being tough in the trenches, so hopefully that's where they spend the money.

MaxV
09-10-2012, 03:04 PM
If a Frachise-caliber OT is there, I would be tempted. Move Castonzo to RT and have a strong pass-protection for a decade.

Either that or a beastly front 7 (OLB, DE or NT) player would be on top of my wish list for 1st round.

killxswitch
09-10-2012, 03:17 PM
If a Frachise-caliber OT is there, I would be tempted. Move Castonzo to RT and have a strong pass-protection for a decade.

Either that or a beastly front 7 (OLB, DE or NT) player would be on top of my wish list for 1st round.

I am honestly a lot more worried about the interior OL than I am either OT spot. I think Castonzo is a fine LT. I think I would rather sign an OLman in free agency and draft a defensive player high in the first.

falloutboy14
09-10-2012, 03:24 PM
Yeah, there's a few front 7 guys (really front 5 since we're not talking about the ILBs) that look the part. We'll have to see where Chapman is, if we get to this season. But it sounds like Lotulelei can be Ngata-esque where he can play DE or NT. If Chapman works out and we put Lotulelei next to him this defense will be so much better.

Edit: We've signed G Trai Essex. He was with the Steelers for quite some time. Not overly optimistic, but he almost can't be worse than what we got.

MaxV
09-11-2012, 08:30 PM
Colts sign OLs Bradley Sowell and Trai Essex.

They might not be great, but could still be upgrades.

Gotta give Grigson credit, unlike BP, he isn't willing to just sit and wait.

killxswitch
09-12-2012, 10:47 AM
I like trying to make moves and improve. I am not so sure these will be upgrades. If anything I'd expect Essex would stick. Hopefully better than Olsen or McGlynn.

MaxV
09-16-2012, 08:09 PM
Nice win. They made it a bit too interesting at the end, but pulled it out.

RagingColt
09-16-2012, 10:50 PM
Likes

First win for Chuck and Luck

No INTs tossed by Luck

Avery played very well today

Lot's of pressure on Ponder

Redding played well for a FA signing - he avoids injury he can be the leader on the D.

Vinny at age 39 is still clutch.

Pat the Punter is becoming a force for our defense is vital.

Mathis is transitioning well as a LB

Dislikes

Outside of Castonzo, our O-Line is absolute crap. Luck typically has to dodge one or two players or run out of the pocket to even step up to throw. We're missing several players and have backups behind backups playing but still, this isn't how you keep a rookie QB upright for a whole season.

Donald Brown isn't very good running off guard. He does best in space and I suspect some quick screen passes to the flat might help him.

Our play calling by Arians in the 4th quarter was really conservative. True we got a rookie QB behind a patchwork line, but let him fling one or two for attempts on 1st downs.

killxswitch
09-17-2012, 12:42 AM
Outside of Castonzo, our O-Line is absolute crap. Luck typically has to dodge one or two players or run out of the pocket to even step up to throw. We're missing several players and have backups behind backups playing but still, this isn't how you keep a rookie QB upright for a whole season.

Donald Brown isn't very good running off guard. He does best in space and I suspect some quick screen passes to the flat might help him.

Our play calling by Arians in the 4th quarter was really conservative. True we got a rookie QB behind a patchwork line, but let him fling one or two for attempts on 1st downs.

I'll say this. I thought the playcalling, outside of the incredibly stupid conservative run-after-run series where we were backed up into the endzone and still running, was much improved over last week. I was afraid Arians was going to be inflexible but he saw what didn't work and made some improvements over last game. More running, more balance. Some better passes to get rid of the ball quicker. He is limited on what he can do with such a crap OL.

That said, any runs that require Brown to break a tackle and find a hole between the tackles need to go. We need to run outside more, preferably to the left. And Brown is not an every-down back. I'm not sure what else there is to find out here. He is dangerous in space but has no vision behind the line, and no power to break through arm tackles. He is a situational back. Use him the right way.

Outside of the incredibly dumb 22 yard sack, Luck played a very good game. I'd still like him to put some more power into some throws, hopefully he actually can and is just not able to set his feet because of all the pressure. But his pocket awareness and athleticism, as well as field vision and touch, are incredible. We are so lucky. Pun not intended.

I enjoyed watching defense. Did not like all the zone coverage, stupid calls there. But the pressure was good and when the DBs played man they seemed to do well. There were some times when Ponder just had no one to throw to. Moala made a few actual plays today. And Redding was a serious force. We still need a real NT. Let's hope Josh Chapman is ready to go by week 8.

It looks like Freeney's replacement is a platoon of Hughes, Addison, and Hickman. I guess that works. We will probably draft a pass rusher in the first round. Thanks Chris Polian!

Way too many Vikings fans at the game today. I know that kind of comes with the territory this year, but come on. It is the home opener. Colts "fans" piss me off sometimes.

MaxV
09-18-2012, 10:15 PM
Colts sign NT Nick Jean-Baptiste and OT Tony Hills to PS.

Colts' fans were on Baptiste bandwagon not so long ago.

killxswitch
09-19-2012, 12:30 AM
I was never a huge fan but I'm not against him either. Seems like a solid enough PS signing. Maybe he will develop.

MaxV
09-19-2012, 07:10 AM
Seems like Grigson has a "throw everything against the wall, see what sticks" philosophy.

Which I personally prefer to Polian's "sit back, see what happens" philosophy.

killxswitch
09-19-2012, 08:06 AM
Overall I think I prefer that. I'm still wondering about the Josh Gordy trade though. Why isn't he our nickelback yet?

K Train
09-20-2012, 11:27 AM
I like trying to make moves and improve. I am not so sure these will be upgrades. If anything I'd expect Essex would stick. Hopefully better than Olsen or McGlynn.

essex isnt terrible, but hes almost terrible. Hes an awful guard because hes a 330 pound finesse player. Servicable at tackle though, good guy to have as a backup but a very shaky every week starter, does seem to play well in a pinch tho

killxswitch
09-20-2012, 12:38 PM
330 lb. finesse player is not what we want to hear K Train! Against the Vikings he did OK. He wasn't the weakest Link anyway.

RagingColt
09-20-2012, 10:36 PM
Play the Jags on Sunday who appear a bit more inept heading into this game than us. MJD appears to be the only real threat as Gabbert is still their QB. They've got potential stars in Blackmon and Robinson at WR but they're new to the team.

So long as the O-Line blocks just long enough for Luck to throw, I like our chances. Would think Freeny and Collie will be held out to play as the bye week follows.

killxswitch
09-21-2012, 09:13 AM
The Jags have two pretty good DTs in Tyson Alualu and Terrance Knighton. We saw in the Bears game what our guards are, or rather aren't, capable of. So Luck will again probably not be able to step up into the pocket. Hopefully Arians improves his playcalling again like he did between game 1 and game 2. It would be nice to have Reitz and Satele back for this game but I have my doubts.

I'd like to see our defense generate a few turnovers and really abuse Gabbert.

falloutboy14
09-21-2012, 05:41 PM
I thought I'd heard that Gabbert had been playing with relative poise compared to last year. With Freeney likely out, I'm looking forward to Hughes getting beat or just out of position and MJD/whoever running it outside routinely.

MaxV
09-23-2012, 06:09 PM
Very disappointing loss.

You just can't allow a big play there.

killxswitch
09-23-2012, 07:05 PM
I'm very disappointed in this loss. I will add more thoughts later once I have time. I have low expectations for this season on the whole but the Jags should not have won tonight.

falloutboy14
09-23-2012, 09:52 PM
I'm all in on the Suck for lotulelei/Jarvis Jones wagon. Get a top-5 pick, and with it a defensive stud. Give Grigson an off-season to start spending all of the dead money that we've got built up. Fill in some of the holes on the team, and get some depth as well. Hopefully we can start competing for a play-off spot. It may be pessimistic, but it also affords me the option to not care if our short-term answers (Johnson, McGlynn etc.) can't get the job done, since hopefully they'll be upgraded in the off-season.

I do want to see our young guys improve, specifically Fleener I haven't seen much from. But if during the year our rookies stop making rookie mistakes, I don't actually care what our record is at the end.

MaxV
09-23-2012, 10:33 PM
Unfortunately, we have a lot of short-term non-answers.

Grigson already traded away half of the draft (although we are expected to get multiple compensation picks).

I hope they hit the Free Agent market hard.

killxswitch
09-24-2012, 09:29 AM
Game-specific:

- We got screwed by the refs. I have said all preseason and regular season long, they're no worse than the pro refs. I was wrong. The crew yesterday got talked into multiple calls by the Jaguars players. It's clear these refs are intimidated by the players. They won't break up the piles or scuffles after the whistle. They don't blow the whistle fast enough. They call some things too much and others not enough, and in this game they didn't even call the same types of penalties the same way for both teams. Donnie Avery gets an elbow to the head before he can catch the ball, no PI. But our DBs handfight and get PI. Sometimes several seconds after the whistle is blown. Pathetic. We need the real guys back, even though they suck too. They're significantly less terrible.

- Playcalling again got stupid in the 2nd half. We don't have the defense to smother any offense for an entire half while our offense goes to sleep. Yesterday proved that. We let Blaine ****ing Gabbert pull out a 4th Q comeback. And of course we let MJD run wherever and whenever he wanted. I like committing to the run and Brown actually had a few carries that looked solid. But Arians has got to give Luck some more slack. Who cares if Luck makes some mistakes on adjustments at the line of scrimmage? This is going to be a learning year, clearly. Let him figure things out this season.

- Fleener can't block and apparently can't catch. This is why I didn't want to draft him. I didn't think his athleticism would actually translate to him getting open a lot (though they don't seem to put him in position to succeed a lot of the time either), and I thought if he had great hands and ran great routes he should've had better production in college. He is a long way away from where he needs to be. He's a rookie so he will improve. But Cordy Glenn or Amini Silatolu would certainly be a bigger help to this team right now. I personally think either would've been a better choice overall. Allen can't even go out on routes much since he has to help pass protect.

- I'm not sure what to take away from the front 7 yesterday. MJD running wild is nothing new. It's disappointing, but he's hard to defend against. It would've been helpful to have a true Ted LB yesterday, Freeman struggled tackling him in part because he was not getting slowed down much by any of our DLmen. Conner has solid instincts but lacks the strength and size to really play this position.

- I actually didn't think the OL was as bad yesterday. I think McGlynn is a better center than guard. His snaps were better and he appears to block better from the middle. If only we had healthy guards that didn't suck. Castonzo is a definite keeper, he seems to have turned a corner this year and is just really good on the left side. Justice, for all his problems, doesn't get beat like Linkenbach. Luck did have to move away from pressure more than I'd like, and can't let longer plays develop, but if I remember right he didn't get sacked.

Hopefully we get some guys healthy, like Angerer, Satele, Reitz, Freeney, Davis. We have two weeks to do it. Also I'm hoping to see Luck given more freedom to make the calls from the line more often. Not to the extent that Manning did it, not yet. But Arians isn't getting it done calling every play, especially in the 2nd half. Pagano might need to step in here. They drafted Luck to be Manning's replacement. He's not a game manager. Let him get after it.

Long-term

It's still early but at this point I'd be surprised if we didn't get a top 10 pick. Maybe even top 5. How many teams can we confidently say are worse than us right now? Given this possibility, we have several directions we can go in the draft. I prefer defense. Unless Freeney returns and has a monster year at OLB, he is gone. Hughes and Addison are OK depth but are not starters. So Jarvis Jones, Barkevious Mingo, or Bjeorn Werner are all real possibilities. Star Lotulelei and Jonathan Hankins as well, unless Chapman gets back from injury and really commands the middle.

I don't think any offensive positions should be addressed early, other than OL. And I think overall I'd prefer to sign OL in free agency. We'll have over $40 million in cap space. Hopefully we can lure away one of the many OTs in a contract year. I wish there were some high-end guards coming up in free agency but there aren't. Another option, if the defensive guys we like aren't there when we pick, would be Chance Warmack. He and Castonzo would be two very good players to build the OL around.

We also need a real starting SS. Zbikowski isn't fast, isn't strong in coverage, isn't good in run support, isn't a big hitter, isn't a good wrap-up tackler, doesn't take good angles because he isn't in position to. He is invisible for much of the game. I know TJ McDonald and Bacarri Rambo are possible draftees. Not sure if Rambo will declare. But early 1st round will probably be too high for any of them, and we don't have a 2nd. So SS might need to come from free agency. I would love to get William Moore (ATL), but there are other possibilities if he is franchised or just re-signs w/them: Louis Delmas (DET), Pat Chung (NE), Kenny Phillips (NYG), LaRon Landry (NYJ).

I am a little irritated right now about giving up a 2nd for Davis. He played well enough vs. Minny but got penalized for mugging a JAX WR that he should've been able to cover, and then he got hurt. I was hoping to make the Dolphins look bad with this trade but right now it looks bad for us. I think Davis has the potential to be a long-term player for us, I just hope he lives up to it sometime this year.

MaxV
09-24-2012, 11:04 AM
Something I wanted to add before.

If we do draft Lotulelei, I would want him to play DE. 3-4 NT is certainly important, but it's more of a blue-collar position.

Star should be put in position where his great athletic ability is being utilized.

killxswitch
09-24-2012, 12:00 PM
Something I wanted to add before.

If we do draft Lotulelei, I would want him to play DE. 3-4 NT is certainly important, but it's more of a blue-collar position.

Star should be put in position where his great athletic ability is being utilized.

I'd expect him to play multiple positions. As much as he's been hyped I would hope he would be our Ngata.

RagingColt
09-24-2012, 08:47 PM
Sad to see Collie go down again this time with a knee injury. As for the game, I expected the Colts to win and was screaming "NO!" loudly at the TV on the long pass play. The easy portion of the schedule is over with. Many holes to fill over the next few years with as mentioned before, interior O-Line and pass rushers being the key needs.

Davis looks awful so far as a Colt. That 2nd rounder we gave up will end up being about pick #37-#40 I suspect. Too much to give up for a knucklehead of a player both on and off the field. He's got improve mightily after the bye week for this deal to look somewhat decent for us.

I think the deal on the 5 yard delay of game penalty that pushed the team back on the field goal was a result of two things. One I suspect Chuck considered going for then sent the field goal team on. They didn't want to use a time out since he had already lost one on a challenge. That said, the entire squad had nor urgency to get on the damn field. Vinny needs to make the kick, but come on!

Lots of petty calls were flagged or major ones not called at all. The replacement refs have no consistency whatsoever.

Really like our young WRs esp Hilton. Allen looked decent but Fleener hit the witness protection system. Reggie still has it.

Our lack of aggressive play calling in the 2nd half has really diminished the team the last two weeks. Wanting to set up the run is fine but utilize some sweeps or tosses to get Brown to the edge in space. We don't have talent inside to run block effectively on a consistent basis. Nothing wrong with letting Luck fling it on 2 and 10.


This season is really just one get our players acclimated to the systems. We've got many holes on both sides of the ball but do have key talent in some good areas namely QB and WR. That's crucial now more than ever.

falloutboy14
10-05-2012, 02:28 PM
Colts: Joe Reitz, Seth Olsen, Vontae Davis, Justin King all out for Sunday's game (http://www.indystar.com/article/20121005/SPORTS03/121005041/Colts-Reitz-Olsen-Davis-King-all-out-Sunday-s-game)

Apparently Link is starting at LG as the 3rd on the depth chart. Cassius Vaughn in at left cb. Good Luck~

RCAChainGang
10-05-2012, 02:47 PM
This is bs for coming off a bye.

killxswitch
10-05-2012, 02:54 PM
Yeah this is pretty terrible. You guys remember what happened the last time Linkenbach started at guard right?

falloutboy14
10-05-2012, 04:10 PM
I remember him being shockingly bad. You normally expect poor tackles to be able to transition to being serviceable guards. But he was just so absolutely poor. Was there something more noteworthy about the game?

killxswitch
10-05-2012, 09:39 PM
I remember him being shockingly bad. You normally expect poor tackles to be able to transition to being serviceable guards. But he was just so absolutely poor. Was there something more noteworthy about the game?

It was against the Chargers. Antonio Garay... well just watch the video.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-diego-chargers/09000d5d81c806f1/Chargers-defense-sack-6-yd-loss

falloutboy14
10-06-2012, 08:29 AM
Ah, I remember the play well enough without needing to watch. That was nearly 2 years ago though. Surely he's improved.

killxswitch
10-06-2012, 08:45 AM
Ah, I remember the play well enough without needing to watch. That was nearly 2 years ago though. Surely he's improved.

I doubt it. I really really don't like him.

killxswitch
10-07-2012, 05:57 PM
Wow guys. I hope you watched that game. I will be rewatching it. One of the best regular season Colts games ever. Can't wait to re-watch it.

MaxV
10-07-2012, 07:23 PM
Unbelievable comeback. Still a lot to improve on, but I love the heart that this team showed.

RagingColt
10-14-2012, 10:29 PM
Humbling defeat in Jersey today. Felt like after the over throw of Fleener in the 1st quarter, the offense never clicked all together again. Really miss Mathis today and Freeney is hobbling around pretty badly. Hughes played decent at times but he seems to have the knucklehead complex with him hitting guys after the whistle. The Colts are a far better home team than away squad so far with our lack of experience showing.

MaxV
10-19-2012, 11:13 AM
This can't possibly be right.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/17/snapshot-pbe-offensive-tackles/

killxswitch
10-19-2012, 11:18 AM
It wouldn't surprise me. Most of the pressure on Luck has come from the interior, and Castonzo is facing the toughest pass rushers.

Max I know you are not local so you may not have heard this, but Joe Staysniak (SP?) and Michael Grady have a mid-day sports talk show here in Indy. He said the other day he's been very impressed with Justice so far this season. Staysniak is a former NFL OLman so I trust his opinion more than most talking heads.

edit: Also, Justice has probably benefited from Dwayne Allen's help on the right side, whereas the most Castonzo usually gets is a chip from a RB.

If we get Chance Warmack in the draft I think our OL will start to look a lot better.

That said, I still would not mind taking a shot at Ryan Clady in free agency.

MaxV
10-19-2012, 02:10 PM
Well, if he has been good then I think we should sign him to extension.

He hasn't really looked impressive whenever I watched him.

RagingColt
10-22-2012, 06:10 PM
Ugly wins count the same as pretty ones. Think the final defensive numbers vs Cleveland reflect how poor of an offense the Browns have more than anything. Granted the Colts also started a rookie QB + RB and rookie WRs played. We'll see if the team can carry the momentum onto a road trip for the first time this year as they head to Nashville next week.

gpngc
10-22-2012, 06:13 PM
This team should be 4-2 right now staring at a playoff berth. ******* Cecil Shorts.

RCAChainGang
10-22-2012, 11:35 PM
Guys I'm pretty optimistic about this year. Granted, I didn't see the game. (College more than anything has robbed me of football it is sad.) I think we have a legitimate shot against the Titans, Phins, and Jags. It is a stretch, but if we pulled out wins in each of these games we could get a leg up on the wild card race. Maybe this is the homer in me.

MaxV
10-22-2012, 11:51 PM
Ravens getting ravaged by injuries kinda opens up things.

Neither East nor West looks very impressive either.

Still we can't win on the road. I doubt it.

killxswitch
10-23-2012, 08:40 AM
I hate to be a downer but until this team wins on the road I don't want any part of backing into the playoffs. We don't have the talent or the healthy bodies to go on the road and win even now, much less in the playoffs. Let's say we somehow luck into the playoffs, maybe with 8 wins. We would likely face the #3 ranked AFC team. That probably means the Patriots or Ravens. Do you really think we would stand a chance against either team on the road?

With all the holes on the roster and with so much free agency money coming up next year I don't want to screw up our draft slot so that we can get embarrassed in the playoffs. I have no interest in that at all. I'd rather get some good experience this year and really stock up on talent this offseason to make a big push next year.

falloutboy14
10-23-2012, 10:36 AM
If we get 6 wins, that essentially puts us out of the running for one of the top defensive players (Lotulelei/Mingo/Jones etc). If there was one year I'd wish the Titans/Jaguars would get their act together, it'd be this one.

In other news, Chapman is getting on the practice field this week and Pagano has been released from the hospital.

killxswitch
10-23-2012, 10:51 AM
If Chapman is the player we hope he is, how awesome would a front 3 of Redding, Chapman, and Lotulelei be?

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-23-2012, 06:16 PM
If Chapman is the player we hope he is, how awesome would a front 3 of Redding, Chapman, and Lotulelei be?

Lets be real we are going to end up with Robert Woods.

killxswitch
10-23-2012, 06:54 PM
Lets be real we are going to end up with Robert Woods.

His stock is dropping like a rock this year.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-24-2012, 07:55 PM
Just saw the stat Andrew Luck is 32nd in completion percentage. Woof. Did not know that.

falloutboy14
10-25-2012, 04:38 PM
Here's an article Luck's & RG3's stats: http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/luck-vs-griffin-a-statistical-comparison/


Griffin ranks first in completion percentage while Luck ranks 32nd, but that has as much to do with the throws they’re asked to make as each quarterback’s accuracy. Luck‘s average pass attempt has traveled 10.2 yards past the line of scrimmage, the longest average pass distance in the league

And Luck’s long average pass distance isn’t simply a product of throwing lots of incomplete passes down the field. His average pass distance on completions is 8.6 yards past the line of scrimmage, also highest in the N.F.L.

Casting Luck as a downfield thrower is true, but only half the story. Unlike many rookie quarterbacks, whether through design or lack of talent, Luck rarely has a running back as a checkdown option. According to Footballguys.com, Colts running backs have been targeted on just 7 percent of all Indianapolis passes, the lowest mark in the league. Conversely, Colts receivers have been targeted on 72 percent of Indianapolis attempts, the highest mark in the N.F.L.

Long story short, Luck is using his WRs more than any QB in the league, and therefore throwing longer attempts/completions. I'm not sure why they're not using RBs as receivers (aside from them dropping the ball so often), but I'm sure that would improve his completion percentage as well s reduce his pass length stats.

killxswitch
10-25-2012, 05:07 PM
I read that too, good article. It doesn't knock Griffin at all, he's done well. But more is being asked of Luck. The Shanahans are making things easier for Griffin. I'd like to see our offense give Luck a few more high-completion throws per game.

MaxV
10-28-2012, 09:03 PM
Wow, road win. Crappy opponent, but still I didn't expect that.

TitanHope
10-28-2012, 09:21 PM
Wow, road win. Crappy opponent, but still I didn't expect that.

Words hurt, kind sir. :(

MaxV
10-28-2012, 10:36 PM
Words hurt, kind sir. :(

Sorry dude.

But I think it's safe to say that neither Colts nor Titans are among AFC's best.

RagingColt
10-28-2012, 11:57 PM
I've got to agree with Max, neither team is really above average in any regard of football. Colts had some help with the refs on some flaky calls esp the phantom PI called on Britt that Powers caused. Powers has looked terrible the last three or four games and he was supposed be our best cover corner!

Feel like the team is outperforming it's own talent. Luck has played far beyond what I though was capable for a rookie. The endzone int and a few other plays were very rookie like. He's till got run for his life with our crummy o-line not blocking long enough but he never takes his eyes off from looking up field.

Area's we're set at imo:

QB - Luck should continue to progress the rest of the year. Hopefully over the next few years he learns not to chuck it in the endzone on missed reads. Backup QB seems ok with Staton for now though upgrades are always welcome.



WR - Reggie looks like he's 26 again, Hilton, Brazil, who are both blazing fast and Avery lead a group that's looking up.

TE: Allen is looking like a steal in the 3rd round and Fleener should improve a lot next year. I think looking as stats so far, you'd think Allen was the high 2nd rounder though.

RB - Brown looked servicable when he has some holes to run through and Vick Ballard has offered a spark the team hasn't had for many years. Delone Carter offers a little rumble into the mix. All are quite young and trending up.

ILB - Conner and Angerer and esp Freeman have played pretty well in a new scheme. What looked like a preseason area of concern is no longer.


Draft needs:

Interior O_Line help-I'm not yet convinced that Satele is much more than a middling center and neither of our guards would start for anyone else.

True 3-4 NT - Mookie has done ok for what's been asked of him but we need an actual nose tackle for the scheme to fully work.

Rush OLB - Let's face it, Freeney won't be back next year. Mathis is good but I think he's best served when opposing teams can't focus squarely on him. That's evidenced when both and Freeney were healthy at the same time. Freeney I think would be best served signing with a true cover 2 team such as the Bears or Vikes where he could either play on pass downs only. He was integral in winning the SB, but after this year it's time to part ways. He's been one of my favorite players for the past 10 years. Our lack of takeaways can be directly contributed to our lack of pass rush thus far.

SS - Zebs play has underwhelmed for most of the year excluding the 2nd half of the Packers game. Think we can see why he was a backup before hand.

CB - Ugh. This position looked weak in pre-seaon and at times doesn't look any better now going into week 9. Powers is slumping and the trade for knucklehead Davis from MIA is looking like a steal by the dolphins. On the whole, we're not giving up that many yards per game, but completion percentage vs is not glowing.

falloutboy14
10-29-2012, 01:05 AM
I think this team could really use a deep threat WR in the Garcon role. With Mike Wallace potentially hitting free agency & Arians's past in Pittsburgh, that could make a lot of sense. Wallace paired with Reggie, Hilton, and our TEs, would this offense can be very scary. Though we'd need to get an O-lineman or two to finish the deal.

Da-Phins
10-29-2012, 09:21 PM
How has Davis been doing for you guys?

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-29-2012, 09:41 PM
I think this team could really use a deep threat WR in the Garcon role. With Mike Wallace potentially hitting free agency & Arians's past in Pittsburgh, that could make a lot of sense. Wallace paired with Reggie, Hilton, and our TEs, would this offense can be very scary. Though we'd need to get an O-lineman or two to finish the deal.

We have some good young speedsters to develop. I hope we can start finding someone to groom as reggies replacement. Also protect Luck or deep balls wont be happening often anyways.

killxswitch
10-29-2012, 10:14 PM
How has Davis been doing for you guys?

He was bad his first game but after that he's done well. But he is battling a knee injury so he's missed time. Disappointing, but I've seen enough to know that once he's 100% he will be a difference-maker.

RCAChainGang
10-29-2012, 10:32 PM
I think I can go on seeing our defense struggle but I hate seeing the pocket collapse on Luck. We should go for Warmack.

RCAChainGang
10-30-2012, 01:54 AM
2 questions

I know the Oline is strugglign with the pocket, but are they doing well in the run game? From the minimum that I saw it seems that holes are opening up better.

Also, Donald Brown is impressing me. I was ready to throw in the towel with him, but how set at RB do you guys think we are now with Ballard?

killxswitch
10-30-2012, 08:42 AM
I don't know what to really think about the OL. Through most of this season I've been happy with the tackles (when Justice has been in) and thought we needed new guards. But the last two games the interior OL has been improved and against the Titans the OTs were terrible. Couldn't handle the speed/power combo of Morgan and Wimbley. And this is just my opinion but I don't consider either of those guys to be super high-end talent. They are good players but not top 10 feared pass rushers or anything like that. Castonzo had his worst game of the year, easily.

I think adding even just one more consistently good OLman, like maybe Warmack, would really improve the OL. But I would not argue if the Colts picked up Ryan Clady as a free agent, let Justice walk, and moved Castonzo to the right side.

RagingColt
11-01-2012, 09:48 PM
Anyone check out the current mock draft posted by Scott? Te'o would be a great addition though I think the need isn't high enough to select him. We might be picking later than #9 too if the ship don't fall apart.

RCAChainGang
11-01-2012, 09:56 PM
Anyone check out the current mock draft posted by Scott? Te'o would be a great addition though I think the need isn't high enough to select him. We might be picking later than #9 too if the ship don't fall apart.

Yeah, I think we will be picking later. Definitely don't think Teo is the most needed position. I wouldn't be upset if we took him because I think he has a chance to be really really great, but I'd rather shore up the Oline. I don't think we will pick early enough for Star or some of the coveted pass rushers. Also, we have traded several picks so I think we need to draft for need to a certain extent.

killxswitch
11-02-2012, 10:02 AM
I doubt we'll take Te'o, though I like him a lot. ILB is the strongest position on the team. Freeman is a keeper, Angerer probably is too, and Conner is pretty solid himself. I think we'll go OL, DL, OLB, or perhaps SS.

MaxV
11-02-2012, 09:37 PM
Fokou is no slouch either. ILB is pretty much the only position on D that is strong imo.

MaxV
11-04-2012, 03:28 PM
Tough win against a good team.

Luck nearly made a horrible mistake, after having his best game so far.

I wasn't expecting us to run well vs this D, although Carter and Ballard made some nice runs.

D stepped up late.

falloutboy14
11-04-2012, 09:28 PM
The playoffs are beginning to look more and more realistic. We've got 5 very winnable games left on the schedule (Jax, Ten, Buff, Det, KC). Even with only 9 wins, we got a fair shot at the playoffs.

Other teams with 4-5 wins.:

Pit (5-3): KC, Balt x2, Clev x2 SD, Dal, Cincy
SD (4-4): TB, Den, Balt, Cincy, Pit, Car, NY, Oak
MIA (4-4): Ten, Buf x2, Sea, NE x2, SF, Jax

MaxV
11-04-2012, 10:41 PM
If Texans rest their starters for the last game, that might be a winnable game also.

Still, I'm not holding my breath.

MaxV
11-04-2012, 10:45 PM
Also, CB is starting a look like a need area more and more. Powers doesn't look comfortable in this system, plus we have no depth.

The order of our needs imo:

1. OG
2. NT
3. DE
4. OLB
5. CB
6. SS

killxswitch
11-05-2012, 08:10 AM
Up til yesterday I was kind of concerned about "backing into the playoffs" and what that would do to the team long-term. I was looking forward to a nice draft pick. But I can't help but get excited about the season the Colts are having. The experience some of the guys are getting, gutting out wins the way they are, is a lot more valuable than getting their asses kicked on the way to a high draft pick.

- Luck was incredible, especially on 3rd down. He just couldn't throw a bad pass. He did have a few bad decisions, but no one is perfect. He was close yesterday though. Movement in the pocket and feeling the rush was as good as ever. His accuracy and velocity were best-of-season. He FINALLY hit Avery deep!

- 97 yards on the ground, not great but it's the Dolphins so I'll take it. Ballard and Carter compliment each other well. I would like to see Carter get a few more carries, he is just really hard to bring down and I like his vision. But I can't complain about Ballard, he is getting better and better. The OL is too. Speaking of which...

- I am seeing improvement from some of these guys. Castonzo had a better day after a rough week vs. the Titans. Justice struggled a bit vs. Cam Wake but there's no shame in that. And other than getting embarrassed one time by Paul Solai, AQ Shipley actually played pretty well at center. McGlynn is improving and has that nasty attitude you want. He and Shipley both have it, I like them playing together. Reitz, if he can stay healthy, is probably our best guard. I would still like an interior lineman in the 1st if Warmack is the best player available, but I like that these guys are getting better instead of worse.

- Dwayne Allen was a steal. I said in pre-season I thought he would turn out to be the better TE and so far I am clearly right. I still like Fleener, but Allen can do everything. Blocks in-line, blocks in the lead, runs routes, catches everything. He is a stud.

- Nice to see some life out of Avery, Hilton, and even Brazill today. Hilton needs to work on catching the football but I can definitely see potential there.

- Nice to see Freeney and Mathis on the field together again, it sucks that it didn't last. Freeney's bull rush was great, he was giving Jake Long all he could handle. The DL held up well vs. the run. Glad to see Moala back, he is just better than Nevis as a 3-4 DE. I think Redding is still hurt and just toughing it out. Can't wait to see Chapman get on the field. AJ has gotten a bit better this season but I still don't see him as a starter long-term.

- Quiet day from our ILBs, I thought they'd have lots of stats going after Bush and the other RB but Miami passed a lot. Which meant...

- Bad day for the secondary. Zbikowski was back to playing soft and taking bad angles again. Bethea seems out of position a lot which is surprising. I thought he'd be more of a difference-maker this year. Powers has been HORRIBLE this year. Like, right now I prefer Darius Butler. That bad. Wow. I thought he and Davis would make a good tandem but I just don't think Powers has the strength or aggressive demeanor to play corner the way Pags/Manusky want. He can't jam or disrupt routes, he's too little. I think his confidence is low. Vaughn is just an OK nickel and was an idiot to knock Bush down in the endzone. Fortunately that penalty had zero effect on the game.

- I think Adam V's time in Indy is drawing to a close. He's missed too many FGs, and most of them weren't THAT long. He's making too much money to miss kicks like that. We should've been up by 6 at the end of the game. 9, really, but the blocked kick wasn't his fault.

- Anyone agree this was Arians' best game for playcalling? Not perfect, and Luck's execution bailed Arians out a few times, but overall he seems to be adapting his game plans to the talent rather than trying to force something.

Great, great game. Lots of fun to watch. We have a tough turnaround this week but at least it's the Jags. I hope we stop their dicks into the ground on their turf. I hate those guys.

MaxV
11-05-2012, 09:20 AM
Well, Luck made Arian look good yesterday.

Relying so heavily on the passing game isn't always a recipe for success.

killxswitch
11-05-2012, 09:27 AM
Well, Luck made Arian look good yesterday.

Relying so heavily on the passing game isn't always a recipe for success.

I think against other teams he would've tried to run more. But the Dolphins have one of the best run defenses in the NFL, and obviously Luck saw some things in coverage that he felt he could exploit.

RagingColt
11-05-2012, 03:42 PM
Coach Pags is in remission. If your a sports fan or not, his post game speech is worth the watch.

http://www.colts.com/media-center/videos/Coach-Pagano-Locker-Room-Speech-Dolphins/ab62385f-1e06-4136-b3d5-0cfde2a7a4fe

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
11-06-2012, 07:15 PM
2 things of note
1) 25 players on the team shaved their head to honor coach Pagano including Angerer, Vintatieri and McAfee
2) Andrew Lucks average pass is travelling 10.2 yards down field, 1st in the nfl.

RCAChainGang
11-08-2012, 02:50 PM
http://www.colts.com/media-center/videos/Facebook_Friday_Donald_Brown/e1d095dc-257d-4f4b-9ba3-269c89a17bb1

Donald Brown talks about the "dammit donald" video haha!

RagingColt
11-08-2012, 10:39 PM
Good win tonight. Defense looked good w/out starting CBs and Mathis sitting out. Hughes continues to act like a moron at times which can come back to haunt us when we're playing good teams later. Luck made great throws continuously. Can't teach speed as Hilton and Brazil both have plenty.

Team needs the extra few days off. Next up, Tommy Brady and the Pats.:great:

killxswitch
11-08-2012, 10:44 PM
Nice games from Butler and Gordy. I think Butler has earned the right to start for a while. Powers has been a nightmare this year.

Love watching this team win!

I am expecting Chapman to be activated for the Pats game.

falloutboy14
11-08-2012, 10:47 PM
For the next next 72 hours or so, we have the 3rd best record in the AFC. Man what I would give to beat the Pats next week. With the way their secondary has been giving up big plays, think we might have a shot too. Seeing Chapman play would be great.

killxswitch
11-08-2012, 10:48 PM
I really don't think our D has a shot against their offense. And I don't trust this team to score as much as they should. It'd be incredible though.

MaxV
11-08-2012, 11:31 PM
Some notes:

- The more I see this offense, the more I like it. Even the O-Line has exceeded my expectations. Don't get me wrong, it's still not a top-notch unit, but it doesn't need 3-4 new starters as I thought it did prior to the season. As a matter of fact, I would fine with just an upgrade over McGlynn.

- Defense has holes. They played well tonight, but let's face it, without MJD, Jags have a crappy offense. Butler and Gordy can't gamble like that in every game. That would create big plays.

- Cassius Vaughn was horrible. He kept on trying to jump routes just like Butler did and it created multiple big plays for the Jags.

- Hughes and Freeney had some good moments, but they also got taken out of plays way too many times. Free might be hurt. Jerry pretty much has only one move, straight up-field.

- On D-Line, Redding was very good, the rest, not so much.

- Defense should be the main priority in the off-season.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
11-09-2012, 10:45 PM
I really don't think our D has a shot against their offense. And I don't trust this team to score as much as they should. It'd be incredible though.

Their D is just as bad. Lets not forget they lost to the cardinals and we did beat the packers. At this point how we are playing I think it will be a close game and will be shocked if we get blown out.

falloutboy14
11-11-2012, 04:10 PM
Losses by the Chargers & Dolphins put us two games up on the teams outside of the playoff picture. Assuming we don't collapse against the average teams on the schedule, think we got a playoff birth here.

MaxV
11-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Losses by the Chargers & Dolphins put us two games up on the teams outside of the playoff picture. Assuming we don't collapse against the average teams on the schedule, think we got a playoff birth here.

Let's not get hasty.

We still have a tough schedule ahead.

Titans and Bills both looked good today.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
11-12-2012, 09:54 AM
Let's not get hasty.

We still have a tough schedule ahead.

Titans and Bills both looked good today.

CMon now, it is okay to be a little excited. Don't be afraid of the bills. If anything the bills doing well gives me hope against the Pats.

RCAChainGang
11-13-2012, 12:59 AM
CMon now, it is okay to be a little excited. Don't be afraid of the bills. If anything the bills doing well gives me hope against the Pats.

Agreed. I don't think we will miss the playoffs. Unless we really screw the pooch down the stretch.

We have:
@Pats
Bills
@Lions
Titans
@Houston
KC
Houston

Bolded games are games we can and should win. We should be 9-7 at least to finish the season. Also, even if we lose early in the playoffs, the sheer experience of it will go a long way for our rookies and young players.

RCAChainGang
11-16-2012, 12:47 AM
Hey, just a curious question for mock drafts. How different is a SS for a FS? Could the Colts draft Eric Reid to replace Zbikowski?

killxswitch
11-16-2012, 07:58 AM
Even though Reid is listed as a FS he plays like an NFL SS. I'm not sure it'd be my first choice, as there are bigger needs (even though I don't like Zbikowski as a starter). But if that is the direction Grigs went I wouldn't be too upset about it. He plays in the box a lot and likes to hit people. I've wanted an enforcer at the SS spot since the downfall of Sanders.

Matthew Jones
11-17-2012, 07:53 AM
Happy birthday Reggie Wayne! May you catch one (one yard) pass tomorrow (in the early first quarter, preferably not a first down, definitely not a touchdown, against Kyle Arrington.)

Matthew Jones
11-18-2012, 08:19 AM
Patriots/Colts preview:

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/11/indianapolis-colts-at-new-england-patriots-ten-keys-to-week-eleven.html

Should be a good game. The Colts actually have a decent chance if they can score first and disrupt Brady in the pocket. Andrew Luck is the type of quarterback New England struggles against the most (anyone who can break contain and is willing to throw downfield.)

MaxV
11-18-2012, 04:13 PM
With this special teams, the more things change the more they stay the same.

MaxV
11-18-2012, 05:59 PM
Yeaaaah, this game got out of hand quickly.

MaxV
11-18-2012, 06:38 PM
Well, a humbling loss.

But I did like what our offensive rookies showed today, including Brazill.

If only we can have the same success drafting Defense next year as we did drafting offense last year.

RCAChainGang
11-19-2012, 02:18 AM
Well, a humbling loss.

But I did like what our offensive rookies showed today, including Brazill.

If only we can have the same success drafting Defense next year as we did drafting offense last year.

Yeah I'm optimistic about the offense. Going into Foxboro is always going to be hard. T.Y. Hilton looked phenomenal and Brazil also got some plays. Our offense looks good, and I'm not sure the score showed how close the game was. Not that it was really close, but we didn't get blown away.

And I concur, draft needs to go towards our defense. I for one would like to get a SS to pair up next to Bethea, a NT, a pass rusher, and a corner. I have faith in Grigson. It may be blind, but it is faith.

Seamus2602
11-19-2012, 04:26 AM
Yeah I'm optimistic about the offense. Going into Lambeau is always going to be hard. T.Y. Hilton looked phenomenal and Brazil also got some plays. Our offense looks good, and I'm not sure the score showed how close the game was. Not that it was really close, but we didn't get blown away.

And I concur, draft needs to go towards our defense. I for one would like to get a SS to pair up next to Bethea, a NT, a pass rusher, and a corner. I have faith in Grigson. It may be blind, but it is faith.

Our offense looked good at times. 4 turnovers will always kill you (especially 2 returned for touchdowns) and another leading to a score on their first play. 4 turnovers gave them 21 points and definitely in some cases took Colts points off the board.

The line was inconsistent (sometimes blocking for big pass plays and long runs while at other times having someone in the backfield whenever the Colts snapped the ball). Part of it was on the snap count. The Pats worked it out way too quickly and basically knew when the Colts were going to snap it.

Defensively, we actually did well stopping the run. Take the end around out and they were left with a 2.8 run pc. We just couldn't get pass rush. Now part of that will fall on Freeney, Mathis and Hughes (and also on good work by their Tackles) but a lot of it has to fall on the the D-Line who couldn't force anything. In the 3-4 you need your 5 Techs to disrupt the Tackles (allowing the OLB free reign) and/or penetrate the pocket. Last night they did neither.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
11-19-2012, 01:22 PM
The loss isn't as bad as the score reflects. 2 pick 6's and a special teams touchdown. They will be ready to come swinging at buffalo and make a push for that final wild card spot. The way the texans played yesterday I think we have a good shot at beating them at Lucas Oil

MaxV
11-19-2012, 02:16 PM
Why do you guys keep saying "last wild card spot".

Right now we are 5th, ahead of Steeelers.

falloutboy14
11-19-2012, 03:06 PM
I see it as it doesn't matter much which spot we get, whether 5 or 6. We're neck and next with 5 and ahead a game on the Bengals for 6. So its easier to say we're a game up on making the playoffs, since at this point, just getting in is the accomplishment.

I kind of want to play the Broncos most in the playoffs, assuming we get there. Just to see the defensive veterans have a chance to play against Peyton in a real game. I could see the Ravens/Steelers reeling from injuries and therefore beatable.

MaxV
11-25-2012, 02:58 PM
Man, Zbikoswki, you are SOO STUPID!!!!

MaxV
11-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Glad we won, but it was very sloppy.

The way we dominated them through 3 quarters, they shouldn't have had a chance to come back at the end.

killxswitch
11-25-2012, 11:25 PM
The redzone offense needs serious, serious work this offseason. As in throw it out and start over.

RagingColt
11-28-2012, 08:52 PM
Chapman has landed on IR. I think it's a good move if he's not close to being ready. We wont' find out if he's an able player till next training camp. Killswitch is right about our offensive point production. We're a top 7 offense for yardage yet in the bottom third scoring wise. Our defense is near the bottom as well though the points allowed skews that. We've for the most part beaten average to poor teams this year while losing to good teams.I think that's maximizing the roster moves Grigson made and we've been really lucky to have so many rookies on offense play above expectations. I was pissed that we didn't draft move for defense this year, but I think the management can adjust that for next year with our higher end draft choices and free agency to a certain degree. We're ahead of the curve in year one and currently slated 5th playoff seeding wise which reflects how poor overall the conference is.

Fleener should be back this week to play at Detroit. Think with him and Allen on the field we should be able to stretch our their defense. Might need a lot of points this week.

Who'd thought we'd be optimistic heading into Week 13?

killxswitch
11-29-2012, 09:29 AM
Fleener being back will allow Allen to block more. It should allow Luck more time to throw than he had vs. the Bills.

The OL better make sure Suh doesn't pull any anger management ******** on Luck.

killxswitch
12-02-2012, 04:14 PM
On my way to hospital from ulcer/heart attack combo, great win by the Colts. Luck had some crap plays but is so clutch it's sick.

killxswitch
12-02-2012, 08:44 PM
FYI I am being facetious. I didn't have an ulcer or heart attack, I was just commenting on the stressful nature of the end of that game. I don't think I communicated that well.

falloutboy14
12-02-2012, 09:32 PM
That was a fairly exciting game.

The one thing I'll take away from this game is we appear to be borderline unstoppable when we need a score with under 3 minutes to go. I hope that Luck will get a lot more control of the offense as time on, because we are deadly in the 45 second offense. I believe I heard during the game that Luck leads the league in passes over 20 yards or something.

killxswitch
12-02-2012, 09:42 PM
The playcalling needs a lot of work.

RagingColt
12-02-2012, 09:43 PM
He's clutch when he needs to be. I missed most of the 1st half and most of the 3rd/early 4th was un-watchable. Let's give the team credit, they don't quit and keep winging it. Mid way through the 4th, I started to expect Luck to lead the team back for a win even with the clock ticking. If we ever get a resemblance of a starting NFL line, we should be a top 5 offense so long as Luck is around.

MaxV
12-02-2012, 10:22 PM
That was a fairly exciting game.

The one thing I'll take away from this game is we appear to be borderline unstoppable when we need a score with under 3 minutes to go. I hope that Luck will get a lot more control of the offense as time on, because we are deadly in the 45 second offense. I believe I heard during the game that Luck leads the league in passes over 20 yards or something.

We are definitely a vertical offense.

I actually think they should incorporate RBs into a passing game a bit more.

It's funny, there is this article written by a Houston writer about Luck. In it he basically bashes Colts' fans for forgetting about Manning and calls Luck 'just a game manager at this point, much more so then Schaub'. Yeah, never mind that this team pretty much COMPLETELY relies on the passing game to win games.

MaxV
12-03-2012, 07:23 AM
I just read that Suh injured Justice and then mocked him.

What a punk.

RCAChainGang
12-03-2012, 08:53 AM
I just read that Suh injured Justice and then mocked him.

What a punk.

Hate that guy

killxswitch
12-03-2012, 10:12 AM
Suh has something wrong in his head. I wish McGlynn had done something about it instead of crying to the press though.

MaxV
12-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Nice win. Plus both Bengals and Steelers lost. We are 2 games up with 3 to go and Cincy and Pitt still have to play each other.

1 win guarantees playoff spot.

I honestly thought that we would lose after first half. We couldn't block their front 7 on offense and made Locker look like Brady on defense.

But man, did they eve step on in the 2nd half. The only scoring drive that Titans had in the 2nd half was a result of TWO terrible pass interference calls by refs. They applied pressure, stuffed the run and made plays in the secondary.

- This might have been the best game of the season for Angerer. He finally looked like a starting ILB.
- Vick Ballard is a starting NFL RB. This guy might not run a great 40, but he is quick, strong and has very good vision.
- Did anybody else notice that Colts are a bit too vertical on offense? They average the most yards per attempt. I know there is a lot of trust in Luck, but they should use some screens and dumps to RBs.

falloutboy14
12-09-2012, 11:27 PM
I've also noticed Luck running less often. Countless times on a 3rd & short, he stayed in the pocket or threw the ball when he could run for a 1st down.

MaxV
12-10-2012, 07:35 AM
I've read that Colts own a tie-breaker over both Steelers and Bengals.

If that's accurate then only the Jets can eliminate Colts.

killxswitch
12-10-2012, 08:26 AM
Nice win. Plus both Bengals and Steelers lost. We are 2 games up with 3 to go and Cincy and Pitt still have to play each other.

1 win guarantees playoff spot.

I honestly thought that we would lose after first half. We couldn't block their front 7 on offense and made Locker look like Brady on defense.

But man, did they eve step on in the 2nd half. The only scoring drive that Titans had in the 2nd half was a result of TWO terrible pass interference calls by refs. They applied pressure, stuffed the run and made plays in the secondary.

- This might have been the best game of the season for Angerer. He finally looked like a starting ILB.
- Vick Ballard is a starting NFL RB. This guy might not run a great 40, but he is quick, strong and has very good vision.
- Did anybody else notice that Colts are a bit too vertical on offense? They average the most yards per attempt. I know there is a lot of trust in Luck, but they should use some screens and dumps to RBs.

I was at this game and I told my dad at halftime I hope the real Colts come out in the 2nd half and not the losers that we just watched. I'm very encouraged by the halftime adjustments these coaches and players are able to make. I've heard that Wayne and especially Redding got in some faces at halftime and demanded better play.

The defense won that game. The refs screwed them over so many times (especially on that one drive in the 3rd Q, so many 3rd downs) and they still held them to FGs or forced punts a lot of the time. I would like to see a better pass rush. In part I think that is a problem of Manusky's D, I seem to remember SD not having a very good pass rush when he was the DC. When Pagano returns I think things will improve.

Luck did not look good. I don't completely blame him. The OL was HORRIBLE, and the play calling was about as bad (more on that in a minute). The TN D line made our OL their ***** again. Especially in the first half, Luck continually had no time to throw. Notice when Shipley came in for Satele the line played better. I think I've said this before, I like Shipley more as the starter. Better balance, stronger, nastier demeanor. Oh and he can actually play an entire game without getting hurt. I think he will eventually be the starter.

That said, Luck took some seriously unnecessary sacks and seemed a lot more skittish in the pocket than I've ever seen him. He also clearly is being coached not to run. This is a huge mistake. Luck is not Ben Roethlisberger. He is an athlete and he is at his best when he can run for a few first downs. The team carried Luck today, which is fine. I'm glad we have a team that can actually do that.

I am seriously beginning to question whether Arians is the right fit long-term as the OC. Max is completely right, and people have actually been discussing this for several weeks, since a NY Times article came out showing that Luck is passing downfield more than any other QB in the league. This vertical Arians offense is not good for Luck or for the team. I think Luck is probably learning a lot from it. But we do NOT have the OL to run it effectively. Arians needs to stop being stubborn and tailor his offense more to the strengths of this team.

Luck should not be dropping back and waiting for deep routes to develop, at least not as often. When the OL is getting their asses kicked, he should not be in an empty backfield w/5 wide. Hello?! How is Arians not seeing this?! And on top of all this he isn't letting Luck run when he has a wide-open field. He is going to get Luck killed. I'm not saying the Steelers made the right move, I don't want to do dink and dunk and 3 yards and a cloud of dust. But we need more high-percentage throws to counteract the pass rush when the OL isn't getting it done. We need more max protect when Luck is getting hit too much. Arians needs to understand situational football and make adjustments BEFORE halftime.

I like BA, he is a good leader and sometimes makes some seriously ballsy calls that are genius (mainly because they've usually worked). But he is pulling a Mike Martz this year and Luck deserves better than that.

MaxV
12-10-2012, 09:12 AM
They threw deep on 3rd-and-short multiple times, including Avery's drop in the endzone.

Probably the most important thing that Luck still has to learn is to take what the defense gives him. Not every play needs to be 20+ yards.

killxswitch
12-10-2012, 09:46 AM
They threw deep on 3rd-and-short multiple times, including Avery's drop in the endzone.

Probably the most important thing that Luck still has to learn is to take what the defense gives him. Not every play needs to be 20+ yards.

The question is, on some of those plays does he even have the option to take what is given? Are there any receivers running routes less that 10 yards from the line of scrimmage?

MaxV
12-10-2012, 10:48 AM
Forgot to mention, I was impressed with the play of Lawrence Guy yesterday. There are some nice things written on him out there.

He looked pretty good against the run and seems to have enough athleticism to be a disrupter.

RagingColt
12-12-2012, 09:29 AM
Brown won't deliver anymore this year, headed to IR. He's got one year left on his rookie deal so I wonder if he won't be outright cut since his salary jumps up to over a million.

Phil Wilson has a good blog post about Luck possibly wearing down from all the hits he's taken. Our O-Line has been horrendous at many points this year regardless who has played.

http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2012/12/11/is-colts-andrew-luck-wearing-down/

killxswitch
12-12-2012, 12:57 PM
I hadn't really thought about that, but it is definitely possible. He's a rookie, he's thrown A LOT more per game than he ever did at Stanford, and he's taken A LOT more hits this year than he did at Standford. And they're hits from grown men in the NFL, not college players. As much as we need a new starting OLB next year, we need OL help, especially at guard.

As for Brown, they save $1.7 million if they cut him (though there is a $520,000 cap hit separate from that). I think they will probably cut him. Hopefully we can find a solid RB3 in free agency and Carter can step up to be the #2 behind Ballard.

MaxV
12-12-2012, 04:07 PM
They should definitely run the ball more during the next 3 games.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-16-2012, 02:14 PM
Ballard is really turning it on lately. Could have a very dynamic run game with a healthy Donald Brown. Our offense is shaping up nicely for the future with Luck/Ballard/Brown/Hilton

MaxV
12-16-2012, 02:41 PM
So JJ Watt will be in our division for how long?

Right now, we have NO SHOT of blocking him.

They just line him wherever it's HUGE miss-match, like vs. McGlynn, and it's almost a guarantee to be a negative play.

We need to upgrade this line, BADLY.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-16-2012, 05:40 PM
So JJ Watt will be in our division for how long?

Right now, we have NO SHOT of blocking him.

They just line him wherever it's HUGE miss-match, like vs. McGlynn, and it's almost a guarantee to be a negative play.

We need to upgrade this line, BADLY.

Thank you. I hope all colts fans now see why drafting any other than offensive line or defensive line is utterly ridiculous. JJ watt is a monster and we need a monsterous upgrade there to atleast contain him.

RCAChainGang
12-16-2012, 08:59 PM
This makes me want to play Madden franchise and draft 3 Olineman...

RagingColt
12-16-2012, 09:30 PM
I'll reiterate past posts that upgrading our interior o-line has to be of the up most importance this off season. Our lack of real talent was on display and it's nothing new this year where we've won despite our O-line playing average to poorly for good chunks of the year. Vick looks really good as a 1A style running back. Having seen the Texans play for an entire game, I get the sense they're not a hugely talented team can go deep in the playoffs. We're a couple of dumb plays by Moore from being in contention to win the game late in the 4th. Arian's play call on 3rd and 20 late in the fourth wasn't really great. As the Beard said, pick up some yards on 3rd and then go for it on 4th. Next week we travel to Arrowhead where it's a must win game to qualify for the playoffs.

MaxV
12-16-2012, 09:50 PM
I'll reiterate past posts that upgrading our interior o-line has to be of the up most importance this off season. Our lack of real talent was on display and it's nothing new this year where we've won despite our O-line playing average to poorly for good chunks of the year. Vick looks really good as a 1A style running back. Having seen the Texans play for an entire game, I get the sense they're not a hugely talented team can go deep in the playoffs. We're a couple of dumb plays by Moore from being in contention to win the game late in the 4th. Arian's play call on 3rd and 20 late in the fourth wasn't really great. As the Beard said, pick up some yards on 3rd and then go for it on 4th. Next week we travel to Arrowhead where it's a must win game to qualify for the playoffs.

I think we clinch if Jets lose. I'm not certain.

I believe, with Steelers loss, only Bengals and Jets can catch us now.

Still losing to KC shouldn't be an option.

RCAChainGang
12-16-2012, 09:55 PM
Guys go watch the Patriots game to feel better.

killxswitch
12-17-2012, 07:19 AM
Thank you. I hope all colts fans now see why drafting any other than offensive line or defensive line is utterly ridiculous. JJ watt is a monster and we need a monsterous upgrade there to atleast contain him.

I don't agree about DL, we need interior OL and a pass rusher at OLB to replace Freeney. Warmack, if we can get him, or one of the many DE/OLB options. Hopefully Larry Warford in the 3rd, though I doubt he'll still be around by then. I am certain we will throw money at some OL free agents. Hopefully we can lure away one of the top OTs for an affordable price. But we need 3 new starters on the OL. 2, at the very least. Reitz might be OK with better players around him but gets hurt too often.

I would not mind drafting a new OC. I hate Arians' offense so much. Why did we draft 2 TEs early? We don't use them.

falloutboy14
12-17-2012, 12:19 PM
Its especially frustrating to see us go 4-WRs when we're on the 5 yard line. That's where a our big TEs should be able to use their body to box out a safety. Especially with Fleener, he should be able to out-jump most defenders assuming the throw is on target. With them on the field, the defense also has to be prepared for the run.

My hope is that with his first full off-season, Luck will take control of the offense.

In other news, I'm fairly sure that if we win vs KC, we'll be guaranteed the 5 spot. Which would have us going to the winner of the AFC North.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-17-2012, 07:09 PM
I don't agree about DL, we need interior OL and a pass rusher at OLB to replace Freeney. Warmack, if we can get him, or one of the many DE/OLB options. Hopefully Larry Warford in the 3rd, though I doubt he'll still be around by then. I am certain we will throw money at some OL free agents. Hopefully we can lure away one of the top OTs for an affordable price. But we need 3 new starters on the OL. 2, at the very least. Reitz might be OK with better players around him but gets hurt too often.

I would not mind drafting a new OC. I hate Arians' offense so much. Why did we draft 2 TEs early? We don't use them.

Unless we cut Jerry Hughes i imagine they will see what he has as a starter. As for DL what do we have there? Chapman hasn't played, the rest of our guys have been injured routinely. I would rather infuse some talent on the D-Line. If we could lure one of the free agent offensive lineman that would be incredible for us.

killxswitch
12-17-2012, 09:54 PM
Unless we cut Jerry Hughes i imagine they will see what he has as a starter. As for DL what do we have there? Chapman hasn't played, the rest of our guys have been injured routinely. I would rather infuse some talent on the D-Line. If we could lure one of the free agent offensive lineman that would be incredible for us.

The best 3-4 defenses have top DEs, not NTs. NT is important but it doesn't need a superstar. Between Mookie, Tevaseu, Chapman, and McKinney I think we are fine. I'd love to upgrade Moala but who in this draft or this free agent class is going to do it?

Well OK, I actually would like to bring in Randy Starks. He'd be a good signing. But beyond him, I don't see anybody worth spending big money or a high pick on.

MaxV
12-17-2012, 10:28 PM
Among those that could be there when we pick, I like Sheldon Richardson as a 3-4 DE.

killxswitch
12-17-2012, 10:33 PM
If Richardson is the best player available when we pick I'll be disappointed.

edit: wait, I was thinking of Shariff Floyd. Richardson is a good prospect from what little I know of him.

RCAChainGang
12-18-2012, 02:25 AM
If Richardson is the best player available when we pick I'll be disappointed.

edit: wait, I was thinking of Shariff Floyd. Richardson is a good prospect from what little I know of him.

Well I'm gonna go watch some tape. He is a 5 tech prospect though?

RCAChainGang
12-18-2012, 02:46 AM
Think it would be good to discuss Scott's recent mock draft. He has us taking Jonathan Cooper OG at pick 25. His analysis...

At this time a year ago the Colts appeared to be in for a long rebuilding project but that process has been accelerated thanks to the addition of a truly elite quarterback. Andrew Luck has been everything Indy could have hoped for and more but there is still plenty of work to be done on both sides of the ball before the Colts are consistently legitimate contenders again. Indianapolis went heavy on offense in last year’s draft so odds are they will be looking defense early this time around but they could use an upgrade at offensive guard and North Carolina’s Jonathan Cooper may be too good to pass up. Cooper isn’t going to physically manhandle opponents but he is super athletic with excellent mobility and carries a consensus first round grade which is not that far off from Alabama’s Chance Warmack. This may not address Indy’s greatest need but the organization can’t go wrong protecting their franchise signal caller. If the Colts do go in another direction it will probably be a defensive lineman for their odd front since they don’t currently have any difference makers up front, although it certainly wouldn’t hurt to add a stud inside linebacker either.

I was okay with the pick considering who was available, but his analysis seemed a little odd.

I really liked the mock Scott. With all of the pass rushers down to Ansah being taken I can definitely see the Colts hitting Oline even with Warmack gone.

What I don't understand is why you think the Colts need ILB's. You had us drafting Teo earlier this year in a mock (I can understand because he is such an incredible talent regardless of need) and now in your explanation you say that the Colts could stand to upgrade ILB. ILB essentially is the only position on defense the Colts look good at. I think Angerer and Freeman are starters while Conner and Fokou could also start on the inside, but provide some great depth. Just curious as to what you are seeing.

And kilxswitch commented...
I can't agree with the Colts pick. First, I think Warmack is the only guard worth a 1st rounder in this class. Second, the Colts need a rush OLB more than anything else to replace Dwight Freeney. All my preferences (including Ansah) are already taken but I would still go for Alex Okafor since we have no 2nd rounder. I wouldn't take the chance hoping for someone to drop to the 3rd. I would also go w/Eric Reid before any guard not named Warmack, we've lacked a quality safety to pair with Antoine Bethea for years.

Also, you mentioned adding an ILB but that is the strongest position on the defense. Jarrell Freeman, Pat Angerer, Kavell Conner, and Moise Fokou have all had solid-or-better seasons, with Freeman being the biggest and best surprise. We don't need ILBs.

On the defensive line we are set at NT, our current guys got a year of experience and neither were supposed to be starters. We'll get back our planned starter (Brandon McKinney) and potential future starter (Josh Chapman) in the offseason. At DE we have defensive captain Cory Redding. An upgrade at the other DE position would be welcome but Fili Moala was finally showing growth and was asserting his will against blockers his final 2 or 3 games when he was injured and sent to IR. I'm not sure there are any prospects that can beat out our current starters still left on the board at this point in the draft, and this team is too needy in other areas to bother with depth players, no matter the value.

I would like to get some other takes on this mock. It was interesting that all the pass rushers down to Ansah were gone. There really wasn't much at all. I hope this doesn't happen on draft day.

EDIT: Sorry guys, wrong thread. I meant to post this in Colts Big Board Draft 2013.

killxswitch
12-18-2012, 10:54 AM
Gosh RCA you can't do anything right!

killxswitch
12-18-2012, 10:57 AM
I am getting a little nervous about how recent mocks are going. I hate seeing all the good pass rushers going in the top 20. It sucks that this QB class is so horrible. In Scott's mock I would definitely still take Alex Okafor or Eric Reid (and maybe even Barrett Jones) over Cooper. I just don't trust Cooper. I keep reading about how nice of a guy he is, how he's not very strong but is a good technician and athlete. Sounds like a recipe for NFL disappointment, especially if he's picked in the 1st. I want my guards to be big strong and irritable.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-18-2012, 11:17 AM
The best 3-4 defenses have top DEs, not NTs. NT is important but it doesn't need a superstar. Between Mookie, Tevaseu, Chapman, and McKinney I think we are fine. I'd love to upgrade Moala but who in this draft or this free agent class is going to do it?

Well OK, I actually would like to bring in Randy Starks. He'd be a good signing. But beyond him, I don't see anybody worth spending big money or a high pick on.

Chapman has done what? Mckinney has been hurt. Don't have a lot of faith in the group.

killxswitch
12-18-2012, 11:27 AM
Chapman has done what? Mckinney has been hurt. Don't have a lot of faith in the group.

I'm not saying they've done anything. But to me adding those two is already bolstering the position. NT isn't a big-money position. If we can find a Haloti Ngata, a Justin Smith, a JJ Watt, a young Richard Seymour, sure, throw money at the guy. Randy Starks might even be worth a big contract. But what top defense has a big-dollar NT? I can't name one true NT that provides much of a pass rush or does anything but anchor and protect the pass rushers.

RagingColt
12-20-2012, 10:46 AM
Some really good news, Pagano might be back with the team by Monday.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20121220/SPORTS03/121220008/Colts-Coach-Chuck-Pagano-likely-return-Monday

RCAChainGang
12-20-2012, 11:14 AM
I am getting a little nervous about how recent mocks are going. I hate seeing all the good pass rushers going in the top 20. It sucks that this QB class is so horrible. In Scott's mock I would definitely still take Alex Okafor or Eric Reid (and maybe even Barrett Jones) over Cooper. I just don't trust Cooper. I keep reading about how nice of a guy he is, how he's not very strong but is a good technician and athlete. Sounds like a recipe for NFL disappointment, especially if he's picked in the 1st. I want my guards to be big strong and irritable.

I agree with you. These mocks are kinda sad having all of these great pass rushers taken in the top 20. I have faith one will fall to us though, the real thing I'm worried about is whether Grigson has the needs listed the same as we do. I can just imagine it coming to our pick and Keenan Allen or some stupid **** happening. I hope not.

Anyway, I think your alternatives if Mingo/Montgomery/Jordan/Ansah/Jones/Warmack/ect all are taken are good. I would be fine selecting Okafor even if it is a bit of a reach, but I think Sheldon Richardson is someone we might end up selecting although I'm not sure that he would be the best fit.

We have so many needs on defense I think as long as they draft a sensible person to our scheme it will work out. Yeah I would like to wait on a NT, but that wouldn't be the end of the world. I would be most satisfied with DE-5tech or SLB though.

Edit: Is Glenn Dorsey gonna be a free agent? Dude was a beast at LSU and never really made the connection at UT with the Chiefs. Could he be a potential FA pickup? I feel like he would be much better in a 34.

killxswitch
12-20-2012, 11:46 AM
I agree with you. These mocks are kinda sad having all of these great pass rushers taken in the top 20. I have faith one will fall to us though, the real thing I'm worried about is whether Grigson has the needs listed the same as we do. I can just imagine it coming to our pick and Keenan Allen or some stupid **** happening. I hope not.

Anyway, I think your alternatives if Mingo/Montgomery/Jordan/Ansah/Jones/Warmack/ect all are taken are good. I would be fine selecting Okafor even if it is a bit of a reach, but I think Sheldon Richardson is someone we might end up selecting although I'm not sure that he would be the best fit.

We have so many needs on defense I think as long as they draft a sensible person to our scheme it will work out. Yeah I would like to wait on a NT, but that wouldn't be the end of the world. I would be most satisfied with DE-5tech or SLB though.

Edit: Is Glenn Dorsey gonna be a free agent? Dude was a beast at LSU and never really made the connection at UT with the Chiefs. Could he be a potential FA pickup? I feel like he would be much better in a 34.

Don't forget that the Chiefs have been running a 3-4 for a few years. Dorsey was drafted when they were running a 4-3. Was that when Edwards was still coaching? When Pioli took over and installed Haley the team switched to a 3-4 and that's when Tamba Hali started living up to his hype. I don't think Dorsey would be the best fit here.

I would be fine with Richardson, though I'd like to see how he measures out in pre-draft activities.

I am confident that Grigson knows the OL needs work. Luck has taken a visible beating. He is the future, and he's demonstrated that when he gets time to throw he can spread the ball around and produce. He doesn't need a bunch of 1st and 2nd round weapons to succeed. He needs time to throw.

falloutboy14
12-23-2012, 03:40 PM
After an ugly, ugly game we clinched a playoff spot. As best I can tell, we're locked in the 5 seed. Which means unless catastrophe happens to New England or Denver, we'll be going to the winner of the AFC North for the playoffs. If Baltimore wins today, they lock the division, if they lose, they play Cinci next week for the division.

Also, if the Broncos win today, Houston would need to win next week to lock up #1. Houston would drop to #3 if we beat them, & Denver/New England win out. So they have something to play for, and we do not.

MaxV
12-23-2012, 04:12 PM
I definitely rather play in Baltimore in January then in New England.

What a horrible 2nd half that was from the Colts. Just one good drive. Thankfully the Chiefs kept on shooting themselves in the foot. They certainly had a chance to win it.

I still don't understand why Colts don't use RBs in the passing game. The one pass to a RB, Moore, went for 30+ yards. There is so much room underneath.

falloutboy14
12-23-2012, 04:59 PM
Just keep telling yourself that they're saving intelligent football for the playoffs. That's what I do.

MaxV
12-23-2012, 05:06 PM
Maybe it wouldn't be such a terrible thing if Arians takes a head coaching job somewhere else.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-23-2012, 06:53 PM
I'm not saying they've done anything. But to me adding those two is already bolstering the position. NT isn't a big-money position. If we can find a Haloti Ngata, a Justin Smith, a JJ Watt, a young Richard Seymour, sure, throw money at the guy. Randy Starks might even be worth a big contract. But what top defense has a big-dollar NT? I can't name one true NT that provides much of a pass rush or does anything but anchor and protect the pass rushers.

We just got gashed for 350 yards rushing. Need to get something going up front.

MaxV
12-23-2012, 07:02 PM
We just got gashed for 350 yards rushing. Need to get something going up front.

Yeah, but a lot of the runs were to the outside. Horrible containment.

It wasn't really on NTs, although they didn't impress either.

RCAChainGang
12-23-2012, 09:22 PM
Maybe it wouldn't be such a terrible thing if Arians takes a head coaching job somewhere else.

That is what I've been thinking. Do you think he gets some interest?

MaxV
12-23-2012, 09:51 PM
That is what I've been thinking. Do you think he gets some interest?

I think so.

Someone is bound to give him credit for the turnaround.

killxswitch
12-23-2012, 10:48 PM
We just got gashed for 350 yards rushing. Need to get something going up front.

We had guys like Kellen Heard and Clifton Geathers playing significant minutes. Our top four options at NT are out. Both starters at DE are out. Can't really plan for that.

I do blame the run game gashing on the DL though. The LBs were talking on OLmen way too much. No protection from their guys up front.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-24-2012, 08:26 AM
We had guys like Kellen Heard and Clifton Geathers playing significant minutes. Our top four options at NT are out. Both starters at DE are out. Can't really plan for that.

I do blame the run game gashing on the DL though. The LBs were talking on OLmen way too much. No protection from their guys up front.

Which brings up my other point none of our guys can stay on the field.

RCAChainGang
12-24-2012, 02:09 PM
I just feel like this class has so much top talent at SLB that we can't pass that up. Just my thoughts though.

MaxV
12-24-2012, 11:10 PM
We definitely can and should upgrade in a couple of positions through this draft.

MaxV
12-24-2012, 11:14 PM
Pagano is our HC again.

Hopefully this means a more balanced offense and organized defense.

RCAChainGang
12-24-2012, 11:59 PM
Pagano is our HC again.

Hopefully this means a more balanced offense and organized defense.

Yeah I'm really curious to see if this affects the play calling. I sure hope so.

falloutboy14
12-25-2012, 08:25 AM
I may have said this previously, but I'll repeat it if I have. As Luck progresses, I assume they'll provide him much more ownership of the decision-making. As the guy who's throwing the ints and taking the pressure, I think he'll be a bit more conservative than Arians.

RCAChainGang
12-30-2012, 06:58 AM
Thought this might generate some good discussion.
Upcoming free agents

RFA:
Deji Karim RB
Jeff Linkenbach OT
Seth Olsen OG
Joe Reitz OL
Josh Gordy CB
Cassius Vaughn CB

Exclusive Rights (ER)FA:
Martin Tevaseu DL
A.J. Edds LB

UFA:
Drew Stanton QB
Mewelde Moore RB
Donnie Avery WR
Austin Collie WR
Patrick McAfee P
Tony Hills OT
Winston Justice OT
Antonio Johnson NT
Fili Moala DL
Moise Fokou ILB
Dwight Freeney LB
Jamaal Westerman LB
Darius Butler CB
Jerraud Powers CB

MaxV
12-30-2012, 01:39 PM
By priority:

1. McAfee ... one of the best in the business
2. Butler ... good find, ideal as a nickel
3. Stanton ... I like Harnish, but I feel more comfortable with Stanton at this point
4. Avery ... One-dimensional, but just his presence opens up room underneath
5. Reitz ... OL needs to be rebuild, it'll be difficult to upgrade all the spots
6. Justice ... Again, it would be good to find an upgrade, but if we can't, he should be resigned
7. A. Johnson ... He has been ok.
8. Moala ... Not a starter, but he has shown that he could be part of the rotation at DE
9. Fokou ... Solid backup. This is a position of strength on the team, but we shouldn't just get rid of solid D players
10. Vaughn ... Clearly he isn't a starter material, but I think he is good enough to be a depth guy.
11. Tevaseu ... Ok backup, might be victim of numbers
12. Linkenbach ... He gets a lot of critisism, and most of it is earned, but he could have ok value to a team as long as it's not as a starter.

MaxV
12-30-2012, 02:56 PM
Ok, so maybe Deji Karim should be on the list also.

I've already mentioned that I wanted to see him get some carries. He ran very well in pre-season.

killxswitch
12-30-2012, 03:57 PM
Ok, so maybe Deji Karim should be on the list also.

I've already mentioned that I wanted to see him get some carries. He ran very well in pre-season.

He should at least be ahead of Moore on the depth chart.

MaxV
12-30-2012, 05:05 PM
Chuck has some moves.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1935665/chuck.gif

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-30-2012, 09:25 PM
Just win gamezzzzz

MaxV
12-30-2012, 10:48 PM
I started the playoffs thread.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3227588#post3227588

Great season already. But I know we can go further. Hopefully they carry the momentum.

falloutboy14
12-30-2012, 11:06 PM
I do have to say that this game was such a breathe of fresh air compared to previous weeks. We used our TEs in the red zone. It wasn't bombs away looking for long gains constantly.

Defense got some turnovers finally. Arian Foster didn't run all over us (Redding and Johnson were out today). 1 TD & a handful of field goals is very acceptable.

MaxV
12-31-2012, 12:31 AM
They also got a bunch of sacks.

A lot to take away from this game.

Balanced attack, pressure on QB, turnovers, strong vs. run. Take it with you to the playoffs, guys.

BmoreBlackByrdz
05-09-2013, 09:18 AM
what can you guys tell me about A.Q. Shipley? We just traded for him for a conditional 2014 pick.

killxswitch
05-09-2013, 09:45 AM
what can you guys tell me about A.Q. Shipley? We just traded for him for a conditional 2014 pick.

I can tell you that I am kind of pissed about it. Shipley clearly outplayed Samson Satele and was getting paid peanuts compared to Satele's bloated salary. He is a short squatty fire hydrant type, with short arms, but he moves well enough and is good in both pass protection and run blocking. He has a mean streak that I really like about him. He will finish blocks and mix it up. I think he'll fit in well in Baltimore, especially since he'll have actual competent guards on either side of him. I hope we get a decent pick for him, like 4th round or better.

BmoreBlackByrdz
05-09-2013, 06:26 PM
I can tell you that I am kind of pissed about it. Shipley clearly outplayed Samson Satele and was getting paid peanuts compared to Satele's bloated salary. He is a short squatty fire hydrant type, with short arms, but he moves well enough and is good in both pass protection and run blocking. He has a mean streak that I really like about him. He will finish blocks and mix it up. I think he'll fit in well in Baltimore, especially since he'll have actual competent guards on either side of him. I hope we get a decent pick for him, like 4th round or better.

sweeeet, thanks for the feedback man!