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49ersfan_87
08-23-2012, 01:27 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000053089/article/nfl-head-coach-power-rankings?module=HP11_content_stream

Before anyone flips out, this is his criteria (for better or worse)

These rankings aren't all about what coach has the longest resume. It's who we'd want leading our team and building a staff right now if we owned a team.

Top shelf: Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin and Jim Harbaugh

Next level: Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin

Knocking on the door: Rex Ryan, Jim Schwartz and Dennis Allen

Middle of the pack: John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Jeff Fisher, Gary Kubiak, Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis, Pete Carroll and Ken Whisenhunt

Prove me wrong: Mike Shanahan and John Fox

Need more information: Joe Philbin, Chuck Pagano, Mike Munchak, Greg Schiano, Leslie Frazier and Ron Rivera

The rest: Chan Gailey, Jason Garrett, Norv Turner, Romeo Crennel, Mike Mularkey and Pat Shurmur

My thoughts: there would probably be a lot of shuffling the list around to my personal preferences. But no gaffe is bigger IMO than Dennis Allen being too high. Right now if i was building a franchise i would take John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Lovie Smith, and maybe Jeff Fisher too. All these guys listed were below Allen on these rankings. A little too much love for a rookie with no HC experience on any level (even college).

Giantsfan1080
08-23-2012, 01:34 PM
These rankings are a hot mess. No Coughlin in Tier 1 is a joke. Harbaugh after 1 year is though? Allen knocking on the door already? John Harbaugh and Mike Smith make the playoffs every year but are in the middle tier? Terrible.

Cigaro
08-23-2012, 01:41 PM
How Dennis Allen is 'Knocking On the Door' but guys like Ron Rivera still require more time to gauge makes no sense. I don't necessarily object to Rivera's classification, but Allen should definitely be there with him.

K Train
08-23-2012, 01:42 PM
These rankings are a hot mess. No Coughlin in Tier 1 is a joke. Harbaugh after 1 year is though? Allen knocking on the door already? John Harbaugh and Mike Smith make the playoffs every year but are in the middle tier? Terrible.

coughlin was a game away from being fired last year, and other years before that too...leaving him off the list is refreshing to see that the superbowl doesnt skew everyones perception THAT much to forget how often hes been on the chopping block

too much mike tomlin love for me though, id say this is the first year the roster is majority tomlins guys, the first year he finally brought in a staff member of his own choosing to call plays because firing arians was long overdue. We get to see some of the young talent be forced to be put in a position to step up, the cowher boys are dwindling. Glad they extended him for consistency though, i dont think hes far away from the top but i wouldnt put him in the same class with belichick quite yet

fear the elf
08-23-2012, 01:47 PM
These rankings are a hot mess. No Coughlin in Tier 1 is a joke. Harbaugh after 1 year is though? Allen knocking on the door already? John Harbaugh and Mike Smith make the playoffs every year but are in the middle tier? Terrible.

Pretty much this.

Giantsfan1080
08-23-2012, 01:58 PM
coughlin was a game away from being fired last year, and other years before that too...leaving him off the list is refreshing to see that the superbowl doesnt skew everyones perception THAT much to forget how often hes been on the chopping block

too much mike tomlin love for me though, id say this is the first year the roster is majority tomlins guys, the first year he finally brought in a staff member of his own choosing to call plays because firing arians was long overdue. We get to see some of the young talent be forced to be put in a position to step up, the cowher boys are dwindling. Glad they extended him for consistency though, i dont think hes far away from the top but i wouldnt put him in the same class with belichick quite yet

No he wasn't. The media blows thing out of proportion all the time. Coughlin has beat Belichick twice in the biggest stage of the game yet he's not as good? Ok.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-23-2012, 02:16 PM
So the guy with 1 year in the league is at the top, while a HC with 2 super bowls is in the 2nd tier? Yeah, this list makes tons of sense!

NFL.com needs to get their "experts" to post better stuff. Just like Adam Rank posting an article how we will draft a franchise QB. LOL.

This is what NFL.com needs to cut down on. BS stuff like this:



Giants could be making a move for a much-needed QB
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cb929/article/giants-could-be-making-a-move-for-a-muchneeded-qb

49ersfan_87
08-23-2012, 02:17 PM
So the guy with 1 year in the league is at the top, while a HC with 2 super bowls is in the 2nd tier? Yeah, this list makes tons of sense!

NFL.com needs to get their "experts" to post better stuff. Just like Adam Rank posting an article how we will draft a franchise QB. LOL.

Its not that he's better than Coughlin, its if you're starting a franchise right now, which HC would you want?

FWIW, if i was starting a franchise and had my pick of any NFL HC, my top tier would be Bellichek, Harbaugh (SF), Tomlin, Coughlin, McCarthy, and Payton. Reid, Schwartz, Ryan, Harbaugh (BAL), Mike Smith would be next. Too lazy to keep on going.

vidae
08-23-2012, 02:23 PM
RAC gets no love! But then again he was in Cleveland before here..

NY+Giants=NYG
08-23-2012, 02:24 PM
Its not that he's better than Coughlin, its if you're starting a franchise right now, which HC would you want?

FWIW, if i was starting a franchise and had my pick of any NFL HC, my top tier would be Bellichek, Harbaugh (SF), Tomlin, Coughlin, McCarthy, and Payton. Reid, Schwartz, Ryan, Harbaugh (BAL), Mike Smith would be next. Too lazy to keep on going.

The guy who has more success? However, it's a loaded question because Coughlin is the oldest HC in the league. He does have success, and did this with two different franchises. So I am VERY happy with him.

I was the few who loved the hire after that fool Jim Fasshole was hired, and I always liked what Coughlin brought to the table. If there was one thing I did hate is his choices of coordinators. That's one thing which made me very mad. But overall, I'd take him, I am happy with him, and loved the hire. I don't see any reason why I'd take anyone else. Great HC, proven winner, and still wants to coach. So I'd def. stick with the guy we have now.

cmarq83
08-23-2012, 03:01 PM
No he wasn't. The media blows thing out of proportion all the time. Coughlin has beat Belichick twice in the biggest stage of the game yet he's not as good? Ok.

I like Coughlin, he's definitely in a tier below Belichick, but he has as good of a claim for the #2 spot as anybody else. He simply doesn't get the consistency year to year that BB does.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-23-2012, 03:25 PM
I like Coughlin, he's definitely in a tier below Belichick, but he has as good of a claim for the #2 spot as anybody else. He simply doesn't get the consistency year to year that BB does.

Year to year success record wise isn't the same but head to head Coughlin is 5-1 and 2-0 SBs. Pretty damn good record against a guy everyone seems to count as # 1 HC in the NFL.

49ersfan_87
08-23-2012, 03:34 PM
The guy who has more success? However, it's a loaded question because Coughlin is the oldest HC in the league. He does have success, and did this with two different franchises. So I am VERY happy with him.

This list isn't a past success ranking, its a future potential ranking. Otherwise he would just list coaches in order of superbowl victories and other accomplishments achieved. And you're absolutely right about Coughlins age. I can't 100% speak for the writer but if Coughlin was say, 50, he might even be the 1st or 2nd guy on the ranking. Regardless, he's still underrated and all things equal, deserves to be on that 1st tier.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-23-2012, 03:53 PM
This list isn't a past success ranking, its a future potential ranking. Otherwise he would just list coaches in order of superbowl victories and other accomplishments achieved. And you're absolutely right about Coughlins age. I can't 100% speak for the writer but if Coughlin was say, 50, he might even be the 1st or 2nd guy on the ranking. Regardless, he's still underrated and all things equal, deserves to be on that 1st tier.

Well that was my initial claim was he is in the wrong tier. And his past ranking or success reflects what kind of coach he is, and thus any future prediction can be made based on past work.

For example, Harbaugh, obviously the writer likes because of last years success, especially since last year was his first year. No writer would pole vault a first year guy to the first tier if prior work wasn't in consideration.

So you in other words you are using past success for future potential ranking. That's why Coughlin not being in the first tier makes zero sense. 2 SBs and a 5-1 head to head record was the # 1 consensus guy, in Bill B., should elevate Coughlin on that alone.

I am guessing age is the issue, however, Coughlin loves coaching. I suspect he will have to be fired or pushed out before he actually leaves. Maybe like back to back 0-16 seasons may force him out. Other than that I don't see him retiring soon.

The second thing is Coughlin's overall popularity among fans and perhaps some media guys. They still consider him the guy from 2004-2006. Could that be it?

I do agree he is under rated but perhaps it's because of his age and previous attitude before changing. I don't think they will get coach of the year props ever. Though he did get an award from the ESPYs which was cool. Same with our GM, Jerry Reese. Two super bowls for him, and I highly doubt he ever gets Exec of the year or GM of the year.

cmarq83
08-23-2012, 03:59 PM
Year to year success record wise isn't the same but head to head Coughlin is 5-1 and 2-0 SBs. Pretty damn good record against a guy everyone seems to count as # 1 HC in the NFL.

Meh, 2 wins close to 2 decades ago and 3 photo finishes doesn't put Coughlin in BB's class. It's an impressive feat that very few can claim, but at the same time he failed to make the playoffs the 2 seasons prior. I think in to be in the top tier you need consistency and the ability to win the big games. I give Coughlin a ton of props for rallying wildcard teams to the title, but his teams have also been very fortunate along the way. Having a great team play consistent good football throughout the season en route to a title would elevate him into that top tier with BB in my opinion.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-23-2012, 04:06 PM
Meh, 2 wins close to 2 decades ago and 3 photo finishes doesn't put Coughlin in BB's class. It's an impressive feat that very few can claim, but at the same time he failed to make the playoffs the 2 seasons prior. I think in to be in the top tier you need consistency and the ability to win the big games. I give Coughlin a ton of props for rallying wildcard teams to the title, but his teams have also been very fortunate along the way. Having a great team play consistent good football throughout the season en route to a title would elevate him into that top tier with BB in my opinion.

Still beat the guy, and makes it even more impressive because he can do it or has done it in the past, and as recent as last year. AND.. did it with two different teams. So that's something to respect.

I do agree and have said to people when I talk football, I HATED some of his coordinator choices. That's one fair thing to bring up to against Coughlin. The guy is loyal to a fault and that has affected his overall record. His attention to detail, and ability to motivate his players is though a redeeming factor which is an asset for his.

I believe the league has changed. Now it's about getting on a streak or having some breaks go your way. It's very hard to dominate throughout the season and then also win a SB. Seasons like that are very rare and magical when that happens. I am not sure that's realistic now, with these rules, and in this free agent era.

But I do understand your point. However, football isn't perfect, when you get a chance to win or beat a BB type coach, and you do, then that's huge. If if was that easy, more coaches would be beating Bill B.

Good post though and good debate. Plus rep for you!

fear the elf
08-23-2012, 04:19 PM
Meh, 2 wins close to 2 decades ago and 3 photo finishes doesn't put Coughlin in BB's class. It's an impressive feat that very few can claim, but at the same time he failed to make the playoffs the 2 seasons prior. I think in to be in the top tier you need consistency and the ability to win the big games. I give Coughlin a ton of props for rallying wildcard teams to the title, but his teams have also been very fortunate along the way. Having a great team play consistent good football throughout the season en route to a title would elevate him into that top tier with BB in my opinion.

I don't think you have a leg to stand on here. The head to head record and 2 Super Bowl wins put him right there in BB's class. Every team is fortunate in some ways when they win big, it's not like this is only true of Coughlin run teams. It just so happens there have been a couple breaks on the biggest stage. And the consistency argument is a little shaky considering the Patriots have had perpetually weak division rivals while the reverse has been true over the same period of time for the Giants. That may influence the up-and-down records the Giants post year in and year out.

bigbluedefense
08-23-2012, 04:53 PM
Mike Tomlin is not a great HC. TomTom is a glorified cheerleader on the sidelines.

brat316
08-23-2012, 05:01 PM
how is sean payton not up there?

tjsunstein
08-23-2012, 05:12 PM
Stopped reading after Tomlin.

49ersfan_87
08-23-2012, 05:29 PM
Mike Tomlin is not a great HC. TomTom is a glorified cheerleader on the sidelines.

Stopped reading after Tomlin.

Whats so bad about Tomlin?

Brothgar
08-23-2012, 05:38 PM
Jim Harbaugh and Rex Ryan are over rated.

Honestly Harbaugh belongs at knocking on the door.

RAC and Chan Gailey will get more love by season's end.

Darth Hoodie belongs in a class by himself as does Tomlin.

Ness
08-23-2012, 06:06 PM
Whats so bad about Tomlin?

I don't know. I like him. Probably because he didn't "build the Steelers" like Cower had to do in the early 90's when they had previously fallen off. Tomlin inherited a good team, so I suppose a good amount of people out there think his success was easily obtainable, which I kind of disagree with. Even if you have a talented roster you still have to do a lot to keep it together and maintain that success. Tomlin has done that. George Seifert did this with the 49ers when a lot of key veterans like Tom Rathman, Charles Haley, and Ronnie Lott left shortly after he took over.

cmarq83
08-23-2012, 07:58 PM
I don't think you have a leg to stand on here. The head to head record and 2 Super Bowl wins put him right there in BB's class. Every team is fortunate in some ways when they win big, it's not like this is only true of Coughlin run teams. It just so happens there have been a couple breaks on the biggest stage. And the consistency argument is a little shaky considering the Patriots have had perpetually weak division rivals while the reverse has been true over the same period of time for the Giants. That may influence the up-and-down records the Giants post year in and year out.

True, but the kind of fortune that the Giants have had in their Superbowl runs isn't the kind that you can expect year in and year out. Look at the Patriots in the early part of the past decade they caught every break imaginable. It directly led to 3 SB titles. Over the last 6 years they've had teams every bit as good as those ones, but haven't had the same kind of breaks and haven't won a title.

I know SB titles are the ultimate goal, but I think wielding consistently good teams is another aspect that you need to look at when evaluating coaches, because in a single elimination format like the NFL has oftentimes the most talented/ best coached teams do not win because as we've said before chance plays such a large role.

However, IMO if you have a Hall of Fame QB and a Hall of Fame Coach it is inexcusable to miss the playoffs any year regardless of division, especially if there are no other great coaches or QB's in the division. The same consistency just hasn't been there with Coughlin coached teams, and I think there is more to that than just the fact that there are good teams in the NFC East.

I think Coughlin is a great coach, and he certainly outcoached BB in the 2007 SB, but he's not quite on the same level. BB has kept a team consistently around 12-4 for a decade while fundamentally changing its DNA multiple times. There is something to that, and I need to see Coughlin coached teams be able to be consistently great week in and week out for more than a couple 4 week stretches in January before I'm willing to move him into that top tier.

KCStud
08-23-2012, 08:21 PM
Belicheck is Mike Shannahan 2.0. Can't wait to see his fall to mediocrity after Tom Brady hangs 'em up.

Brothgar
08-23-2012, 08:26 PM
Belicheck is Mike Shannahan 2.0. Can't wait to see his fall to mediocrity after Tom Brady hangs 'em up.

Didn't he make the playoffs every year or nearly every year when he had Bledsoe?

Ness
08-23-2012, 08:28 PM
Belicheck is Mike Shannahan 2.0. Can't wait to see his fall to mediocrity after Tom Brady hangs 'em up.

Well, he's had a winning season without Tom Brady. A couple of them. One with the Browns. He's a great defensive minded head coach. Really, you can't fault him for having a Hall of Fame quarterback.

Ness
08-23-2012, 08:30 PM
Didn't he make the playoffs every year or nearly every year when he had Bledsoe?

No. He only had one season with Bledsoe (as his full time starter) and the Patriots I. believe they went 5-11. In 2000, his first season as the head coach of the Patriots. Next season Bledsoe gets hurt two games in, and here we are today.

Don Vito
08-23-2012, 08:51 PM
Then Brady gets hurt first game of the year in 2008 and a seventh rounder comes in with no experience plays the whole year and we go 11-5. Having Brady doesn't hurt anything obviously, but Belichick has worked some damn miracles with this team. Can't fault him for getting Brady, that definitely helped and continues to help him but everyone could have had Brady a few times

Ness
08-23-2012, 09:08 PM
I just think of the defense first and foremost when it comes to Belichick. He had some of the best defenses in the early 2000's alongside the Ravens, Dolphins, Eagles, and Buccaneers. His staff is pretty good at just managing games as well. The only glaring decision I remember from him during a game in the last ten years is when his team went four it on fourth down against the Colts.

Thecollegedropout
08-23-2012, 11:46 PM
Jim Harbaugh and Rex Ryan are over rated.

Honestly Harbaugh belongs at knocking on the door.

RAC and Chan Gailey will get more love by season's end.

Darth Hoodie belongs in a class by himself as does Tomlin.
A guy who takes his team to 2 AFC Title games in his 1st 2 years and has yet to have an under .500 season as a head coach while transforming a defense into being in the top 10 each season is not overrated.

I agree with Rex's placement on the list. He still has some work to do as a head coach but he's not quite in the upper echelon just yet. Still a borderline top 10 head coach in the game.

Giantsfan1080
08-24-2012, 10:10 AM
True, but the kind of fortune that the Giants have had in their Superbowl runs isn't the kind that you can expect year in and year out. Look at the Patriots in the early part of the past decade they caught every break imaginable. It directly led to 3 SB titles. Over the last 6 years they've had teams every bit as good as those ones, but haven't had the same kind of breaks and haven't won a title.

I know SB titles are the ultimate goal, but I think wielding consistently good teams is another aspect that you need to look at when evaluating coaches, because in a single elimination format like the NFL has oftentimes the most talented/ best coached teams do not win because as we've said before chance plays such a large role.

However, IMO if you have a Hall of Fame QB and a Hall of Fame Coach it is inexcusable to miss the playoffs any year regardless of division, especially if there are no other great coaches or QB's in the division. The same consistency just hasn't been there with Coughlin coached teams, and I think there is more to that than just the fact that there are good teams in the NFC East.

I think Coughlin is a great coach, and he certainly outcoached BB in the 2007 SB, but he's not quite on the same level. BB has kept a team consistently around 12-4 for a decade while fundamentally changing its DNA multiple times. There is something to that, and I need to see Coughlin coached teams be able to be consistently great week in and week out for more than a couple 4 week stretches in January before I'm willing to move him into that top tier.

No consistency? Coughlin hasn't had a losing record with the Giants except for his first year when Eli was just breaking in. He's been plenty consistent.

Rosebud
08-24-2012, 11:12 AM
Mike Tomlin is not a great HC. TomTom is a glorified cheerleader on the sidelines.

http://www.starscolor.com/images/omar-epps-05.jpg

cmarq83
08-24-2012, 11:19 AM
No consistency? Coughlin hasn't had a losing record with the Giants except for his first year when Eli was just breaking in. He's been plenty consistent.

He's missed the playoffs twice in the past 3 years and squeaked in last season. I'm not saying that he's not a good coach, but we're comparing his consistency with a guy who has rolled off 10+ win seasons for a decade straight.

vidae
08-24-2012, 11:23 AM
He has won two rings, and his team turns it on during the playoffs. He has something to do with that.

Giantsfan1080
08-24-2012, 11:24 AM
He's missed the playoffs twice in the past 3 years and squeaked in last season. I'm not saying that he's not a good coach, but we're comparing his consistency with a guy who has rolled off 10+ win seasons for a decade straight.

He missed one year going 10-6 so hardly a bad year. Listen he's not Belichick but he's the next guy after him. If the Giants were in the Pats division we would have made the playoffs every year also.

cmarq83
08-24-2012, 11:26 AM
He has won two rings, and his team turns it on during the playoffs. He has something to do with that.

I know that is why he's #2 IMO.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-24-2012, 11:35 AM
He's missed the playoffs twice in the past 3 years and squeaked in last season. I'm not saying that he's not a good coach, but we're comparing his consistency with a guy who has rolled off 10+ win seasons for a decade straight.

Squeaked in? So winning your division to get in counts as squeaking in? It was a 1 game playoff basically between us and dallas for the right to get our ticket punched for the post season.

The funny thing is if Dallas won to get in, no one or no fan would use the term squeaked in or backed their way in, or whatever. But we do it, and now it's squeaked in. We won our division which is what every team aims for en route to the playoffs, where the then you focus on winning it all. No team says let's get the wild card and get in the playoffs that way.

K Train
08-24-2012, 11:39 AM
Squeaked in? So winning your division to get in counts as squeaking in? It was a 1 game playoff basically between us and dallas for the right to get our ticket punched for the post season.

The funny thing is if Dallas won to get in, no one or no fan would use the term squeaked in or backed their way in, or whatever. But we do it, and now it's squeaked in. We won our division which is what every team aims for en route to the playoffs, where the then you focus on winning it all. No team says let's get the wild card and get in the playoffs that way.

no, i GUARANTEE wed all still be saying that. The world isnt out to get the giants, sorry.

cmarq83
08-24-2012, 11:40 AM
Squeaked in? So winning your division to get in counts as squeaking in? It was a 1 game playoff basically between us and dallas for the right to get our ticket punched for the post season.

The funny thing is if Dallas won to get in, no one or no fan would use the term squeaked in or backed their way in, or whatever. But we do it, and now it's squeaked in. We won our division which is what every team aims for en route to the playoffs, where the then you focus on winning it all. No team says let's get the wild card and get in the playoffs that way.

You went 9-7 and it came down to the last game. That is squeaking in any way you slice it. With a roster as talented as your's you should have had an easier time getting in. Again this isn't an indictment of Coughlin as a bad coach, he's had 2 very impressive runs, but his body of work isn't comparable to BB's at this time.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-24-2012, 11:45 AM
You went 9-7 and it came down to the last game. That is squeaking in any way you slice it. With a roster as talented as your's you should have had an easier time getting in. Again this isn't an indictment of Coughlin as a bad coach, he's had 2 very impressive runs, but his body of work isn't comparable to BB's at this time.

It's the NFL east, what do you expect? The Colts way of doing it back in the day where you clinch the division months in advance?

Not anywhere close to true. We won our division. That's the goal. It came down to the last day because Dallas and our team was going to toe to toe. Eagles and Skins bowed out, and it was a 2 team race. Not even close to squeaking in. Squeaking in refers to a WC in the form of needing help to get in. Meaning you need other teams to help you and then you get in via the WC. Winning your division doesn't qualify as squeaking in any form.

No, I understand your point on coughlin. However, like I said before, that's more of his thing on hiring stupid coordinators, specifically the defensive side of the ball.

If Perry Fewell can do well for a whole season, then we will be good to go. No more rush 3, and drop 8 in coverage! Dumbest thing I saw time after time all year long.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-24-2012, 11:46 AM
no, i GUARANTEE wed all still be saying that. The world isnt out to get the giants, sorry.

I bet no one in the media or other fans would be saying that. We'd be hearing about how Romo finally turned the corner and is on his way and so on and so forth. Maybe you're right, but it feels that way with the BS we deal with, and hence the respect card is always played.

K Train
08-24-2012, 11:48 AM
"its the NFC east, what do you expect?"

give me a break, idk why they are continually anointed the class of the divisions. They were not a good division last year but are always talked about as the best division

if the cowboys won, i bet it would be called even more of a fluke than the giants (which i dont think it was a fluke at all, but i do agree they barely snuck in). The turn the corner omg they are the best team ever would have been vick and the eagles if they were anywhere close to being good enough last year, godddddd id still be nauseous from that

NY+Giants=NYG
08-24-2012, 12:00 PM
"its the NFC east, what do you expect?"

give me a break, idk why they are continually anointed the class of the divisions. They were not a good division last year but are always talked about as the best division

if the cowboys won, i bet it would be called even more of a fluke than the giants (which i dont think it was a fluke at all, but i do agree they barely snuck in). The turn the corner omg they are the best team ever would have been vick and the eagles if they were anywhere close to being good enough last year, godddddd id still be nauseous from that



I don't know why they would call it a fluke. It was the dream team, cowboys, and then us as the team to win the division. So I have no idea where you're pulling that inaccurate stuff from.

As for always being talked about, I guess it's because the Cowboys are in it. America's team and all that jazz. As long as they are in our division they will always be talked about and so will our division. And the Eagles seem to be the team that the media backs as the team that will break out. Maybe it's the talent level or the fact they are the only team that doesn't have a SB in our division.

And if you are going to get sick from it, I'd suggest investing in barf bags, because it's going to get worse now that Bob Griffin is in the division.

But good conversation, thanks. I have to take a practice MCAT test, lol. But talk to you later man. Have a good day!

K Train
08-24-2012, 01:17 PM
I don't know why they would call it a fluke. It was the dream team, cowboys, and then us as the team to win the division. So I have no idea where you're pulling that inaccurate stuff from.

As for always being talked about, I guess it's because the Cowboys are in it. America's team and all that jazz. As long as they are in our division they will always be talked about and so will our division. And the Eagles seem to be the team that the media backs as the team that will break out. Maybe it's the talent level or the fact they are the only team that doesn't have a SB in our division.

And if you are going to get sick from it, I'd suggest investing in barf bags, because it's going to get worse now that Bob Griffin is in the division.

But good conversation, thanks. I have to take a practice MCAT test, lol. But talk to you later man. Have a good day!
i was saying sick of the eagles, had they won a superbowl it would bring true my worst nightmare in all of sports aside from maybe the ravens but even that would be a toss up for me. I think the giants are a good team, and they turned it on in the playoffs twice now after 2 not so pretty seasons. I know what its like to have to defend your team winning a superbowl lol

Flyboy
08-25-2012, 04:42 PM
Jim Harbaugh is top shelf but Sean Payton isn't? Or Tom Coughlin for that matter?

...

Okay.