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bigbluedefense
08-26-2012, 01:00 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/26/cowboys-enact-set-of-behavioral-rules-for-dez-bryant/

You know...I've never piled on Dez. I thought he was an amazing talent, and that his issues were overblown.

But the more I read about him, the more I'm starting to think he's just never going to realize his potential. Look at these rules. What a joke! If a grown man needs this kind of supervision, why should I believe in him on the football field? How can you trust a man who needs security to escort him to practice?

Even Jerry Jones himself has said that if Dez doesn't shape up, he won't stay on the team. That leads me to believe that there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about that Dallas does a good job of hiding from the media about this guy, and now it's gotten to a point where they have to enforce Pacman like rules just to keep him from screwing up.

If it's really that bad, can you trust this guy?

I really want to draft him too. :(

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 01:13 PM
He's a *****. I'm glad he's the best WR in the NFC East since he got drafted though according to one person.

D-Unit
08-26-2012, 01:15 PM
He's still an amazing talent. As far as his season will go, as long as he's healthy he should have his best season yet. Health is the only thing I worry about him. The Cowboys rules for him only make me feel better about what he does off the field.

bigbluedefense
08-26-2012, 01:18 PM
How can you feel good about that though? Just look at those rules. Has there ever been a player in the past where these kind of rules were enforced or some similar type of action was applied and it actually worked?

Bc I can't think of any.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 01:20 PM
D is incredibly biased on this. It's not good a team has to have a certain set rules to make sure a player doesn't do anything. The ultimate sign of a major problem.

SuperPacker
08-26-2012, 01:23 PM
Well if the rules are stopping him from doing stupid things, surely it's a good thing? Obviously not a good thing to have to make them in the first place, but it doesn't make difference if he is staying out of trouble off the field and playing well on the field.

phlysac
08-26-2012, 01:30 PM
I found this quite interesting

Jones said that these aren’t the strictest protocols put in place for a player since he’s owned the team

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 01:31 PM
Jones has had a lot of criminals on his teams.

tjsunstein
08-26-2012, 01:50 PM
I don't see him on the Cowboys in 2014. These set of rules are acceptable for a teenager, but he's 23 years old.

The ultimate, C'mon man!

Trogdor
08-26-2012, 01:55 PM
Comical. Giant's fans piling on Cowboys news. Adding structure is hardly cause for alarm. Dez needs to mature the rules put in place should ensure that.

It's not like Dez shot himself with an unlicensed weapon in a nightclub right?

D-Unit
08-26-2012, 02:00 PM
Dez was raised by a prostitute drug *****. He hasn't had the kind of rearing growing up that would lead to a man having good habits. But the fact that he put himself in a position to play at this level shows that he battled. The Cowboys aren't just his employer. They care about him. This isn't just about a security watch. He has mentors too. They want him to learn and change. I applaud the Cowboys for doing this. I see him having his best season yet. He has the talent to be one of the best in the game.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 02:02 PM
Comical. Giant's fans piling on Cowboys news. Adding structure is hardly cause for alarm. Dez needs to mature the rules put in place should ensure that.

It's not like Dez shot himself with an unlicensed weapon in a nightclub right?

You didn't see anyone glorifying him like you guys do with Dez. You should have went with LT.

Ness
08-26-2012, 02:03 PM
This guy is incredibly talented and it still isn't too late for him to turn things around. At least he's cooperating with the Cowboys organization to try and get his life straightened out. He probably realizes he's running out of chances. I think this is a good thing.

D-Unit
08-26-2012, 02:04 PM
You didn't see anyone glorifying him like you guys do with Dez. You should have went with LT.
You care about that that much? LOL.

AntoinCD
08-26-2012, 02:06 PM
Comical. Giant's fans piling on Cowboys news. Adding structure is hardly cause for alarm. Dez needs to mature the rules put in place should ensure that.

It's not like Dez shot himself with an unlicensed weapon in a nightclub right?

Adding structure is no cause for alarm, however having to be escorted to practice by 3 security guards is a little worrying.

Maybe not for the short term, however would you be willing to give this guy a bumper extension in a year or two knowing that one of the stipulations you would have to put in the contract is he has to be guarded? I know I wouldn't be comfortable with that investment.

Also I disagree that the rules put in place with result in Dez maturing. He may mature, or, and in my opinion more likely, he will rebel. It may not be this week or next week, but a few months down the line he is going to think "why the hell am I being chaparoned?"

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 02:06 PM
All I care about is owning you guys Week 1 and then again Week 8.

D-Unit
08-26-2012, 02:09 PM
All I care about is owning you guys Week 1 and then again Week 8.
That's cute. My dad can beat up your dad. So I'm better than you. :evil_laugh:

Ness
08-26-2012, 02:11 PM
Also I disagree that the rules put in place with result in Dez maturing. He may mature, or, and in my opinion more likely, he will rebel. It may not be this week or next week, but a few months down the line he is going to think "why the hell am I being chaparoned?"

We don't know that for sure though. People don't even know Dez personally to get a gauge for his motivations. Just what is reported by the media, which can be blown out of context a lot depending on the situation. I was especially irked by his latest incident with his family where people were clearly quick to jump the gun on Dez based on what was reported when they weren't even there. To assume that Dez will just screw up again or "rebel" I think is a little premature.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 02:17 PM
That's cute. My dad can beat up your dad. So I'm better than you. :evil_laugh:

Yeah because that's the same thing. We're better than you because we beat you on the field twice last year once with the division on the line.

Bixby (Thumper)
08-26-2012, 02:19 PM
Dez is an immature, unintelligent, dumb **** person. We all knew this. This is guy who couldn't get in shape for his pro-day, forgot his cleats, got barred from holding his pro-day at Oklahoma State, hits his mother, tries to fight Lil' Wayne, gets kicked out of shopping malls and gets in trouble because he can't stop spending money on stupid jewlery. Why is everyone acting all surprised? The guy is a degenerate who would be nothing if it weren't for football. And now because Jerry Jones learned a touch too late he has to pay for Dez's baby sitter and therapy sessions. What a moron. I'm glad he's not on my team.

SolidGold
08-26-2012, 02:21 PM
Somewhere Jeff Ireland is smiling...:banana:

bigbluedefense
08-26-2012, 02:23 PM
Play nice guys.

I would be scared as hell to extend this guy. I don't question his ability, I know what he's capable of when he's focused.

But maaan, there are a lot of red flags here. You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

And another thing, I don't think it's fair to pile on his mom. Yes, she's a bad person, I don't question that, but there are ALOT of players in the NFL who have had horrible childhoods that do not behave like Dez.

Piling on his mom is an excuse, an excuse that fuels his lack of accountability. And let's be real, the only reason why we're making any excuses at all for this guy is because he can catch a football really well. None of us give a **** about him personally. Nor do the Cowboys. Let's be real about that. They're helping him bc they want to win. Not bc they care. They don't. They'll cut him if they have to.

The excuses for his behavior will only fuel him to continue down that path. And these rules are going to hurt too. You need to teach accountability. Baby sitting him won't solve the problem.

AntoinCD
08-26-2012, 02:25 PM
We don't know that for sure though. People don't even know Dez personally to get a gauge for his motivations. Just what is reported by the media, which can be blown out of context a lot depending on the situation. I was especially irked by his latest incident with his family where people were clearly quick to jump the gun on Dez based on what was reported when they weren't even there. To assume that Dez will just screw up again or "rebel" I think is a little premature.

I think that would be a fair comment if it was people jumping on him simply for the mall thing or as you mentioned what happened recently. However the fact that the team feel it neccessary to go to these lengths I think speaks volumes about the guy's character.

He may not be a bad guy, but he is incredbly immature and consistently puts himself in bad situations. It's tough to simply mature because constraints are put on you.

Time and again we have seen immature guys make stupid decisions. They may not plan to do stupid things but they do them. You can count the number of NFL players, particlularly highly paid players, on one hand who have had these sudden changes of heart and became model employees.

ShutDwn
08-26-2012, 02:28 PM
What is most incredible about Dez Bryant is that he can't grasp what is really at stake, which is basically his life.

I don't think I could be fully behind him if I were a Cowboys fan. He clearly has other priorities.

bigbluedefense
08-26-2012, 02:28 PM
He's had like 4 mentors already. None of them worked. Drew Pearson tried mentoring him and according to Drew, "He laughed in my face"

So let's be real for a second guys. He's not just some immature kid who's incapable of taking care of himself bc he's the victim of a poor childhood.

He's also quite the douchebag.

I think he can pan out temporarily, but like I said, if I'm Dallas, Id be scared as hell of extending this guy.

Brent
08-26-2012, 02:30 PM
This is just sad.

NY+Giants=NYG
08-26-2012, 02:35 PM
That's cute. My dad can beat up your dad. So I'm better than you. :evil_laugh:

Haha! Can I come to your bday party? I can bring beer!

NY+Giants=NYG
08-26-2012, 02:37 PM
Somewhere Jeff Ireland is smiling...:banana:

ESPN actually has an article on this.

Did Dez Bryant vindicate GM Jeff Ireland?

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/44479/did-dez-bryant-vindicate-gm-jeff-ireland

D-Unit
08-26-2012, 03:12 PM
Most Cowboys fans will forgive him until he doesn't produce on the field. As long as he's doing that, there is no worry. There are a lot of Dallas fans that hate him btw. I only hate players on the team that suck. Like Phil Costa.

Jvig43
08-26-2012, 03:45 PM
How anyone can say this isn't that bad for a grown man to endure is fooling themselves. This is absolutely ridiculous that a player needs to be baby sat this much at this age.

Also I just drafted him so he better do well!

ChiFan24
08-26-2012, 05:22 PM
I think his talent is a bit overstated anyway. Certainly not good enough to overcome being a total piece of **** human being. Fantasy owners overdraft him because of his talent but I don't see why you'd rather have him than Miles Austin, for example.

niel89
08-26-2012, 06:35 PM
No way does he actually stick to these rules. He'll be a good boy for a few months and then realize how restricting it feels to have a chaperon with him all the damn time, no booze/strippers, & a midnight curfew. That means not one party when the rest of they guys go out to celebrate a victory.

Dez is talented but he isn't worth the headache in the long run. Have fun giving him that second big deal, especially if he goes to a team that doesn't baby and monitor him every second.

Brodeur
08-26-2012, 06:38 PM
Dez was raised by a prostitute drug *****. He hasn't had the kind of rearing growing up that would lead to a man having good habits. But the fact that he put himself in a position to play at this level shows that he battled. The Cowboys aren't just his employer. They care about him. This isn't just about a security watch. He has mentors too. They want him to learn and change. I applaud the Cowboys for doing this. I see him having his best season yet. He has the talent to be one of the best in the game.

Patrick Willis had a terrible upbringing, and he's a guy with strong character for the most part. I understand how his mom and lack of father figure really ****** him up, but it's not an excuse. If he had the right mindset, he'd be able to deal with these things better.

On another note, he should get a watcher like Josh Hamilton.

phlysac
08-26-2012, 06:47 PM
On another note, he should get a watcher like Josh Hamilton.

Josh Hamilton has fallen off the wagon and been filmed pulling Roethlisberger's in bathroom stalls while being "watched."

You can provide all the structure in the world, but the individual has to possess impulse control and coping skills for it to matter.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 06:53 PM
Yeah because that's the same thing. We're better than you because we beat you on the field twice last year once with the division on the line.

Ha. Ha. Ha. You're not better than crap. Luckiest championship in the history of sports last year, and they're not better than the Cowboys this year. Going to be fun hearing crickets in that stadium as the Cowboys walk away victorious. I usually wouldn't want to jinx my team, but **** it. 10 days, can't wait.

As for Dez, yeah he's the best thing since sliced bread and D-Unit just likes to acknowledge it. Get over it.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 06:57 PM
He's had like 4 mentors already. None of them worked. Drew Pearson tried mentoring him and according to Drew, "He laughed in my face"

So let's be real for a second guys. He's not just some immature kid who's incapable of taking care of himself bc he's the victim of a poor childhood.

He's also quite the douchebag.

I think he can pan out temporarily, but like I said, if I'm Dallas, Id be scared as hell of extending this guy.

See, this is what I have a SERIOUS problem with. How the heck can you call him that? By stuff you read in the media? Dez is probably one of the best teammates in the entire NFL. He loves football and his energy is great for the locker room.

It's so funny how people just see something on ESPN and act like they are inside a locker room. Smh. If you want to talk about perception, have the Giants team are douchebags. Tuck, Rolle, Diehl, and Jacobs was the biggest one ever. Stop while you're behind.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 07:01 PM
Ha. Ha. Ha. You're not better than crap. Luckiest championship in the history of sports last year, and they're not better than the Cowboys this year. Going to be fun hearing crickets in that stadium as the Cowboys walk away victorious. I usually wouldn't want to jinx my team, but **** it. 10 days, can't wait.

As for Dez, yeah he's the best thing since sliced bread and D-Unit just likes to acknowledge it. Get over it.

The jealousy is strong in this one.

Jvig43
08-26-2012, 07:03 PM
Dez isn't even the best Wr in that division, and never has been. Theres even a case he isn't the best WR on his own team.

And seriously, when is the last time the SB winners lost on opening night?

ChiFan24
08-26-2012, 07:04 PM
The Giants are better than the Cowboys, they completely earned their Super Bowl, and most Cowboys fans are total homer idiots. Now that I've settled that, you guys can go back to discussing Dez Bryant's douchery. Carry on.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:07 PM
The jealousy is strong in this one.

Haha. Jealous of what?

The Cowboys franchise is still way more reputable than the Giants.. and we actually deserve all 5 of our Super Bowls, while the Giants had no business winning 3 of their 4.

Oh, and our current team is much better and our future is much brighter.. did I miss anything?

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 07:10 PM
That you have no clue as to what you're talking about?

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:11 PM
Everyone in this thread is just going to be hellbent on opinions they saw on ESPN who have no knowledge of the actually situation and/or are enhanced by hatred for the Cowboys, so any argument is futile.

When Dez is enshrined in Canton, I hope you all enjoy your gourmet dishes of crow.

TACKLE
08-26-2012, 07:14 PM
this feels like it's becoming a 'bbd finds pft rumor and uses it start a smear campaign against a player he doesn't like' thread.

niel89
08-26-2012, 07:18 PM
Everyone in this thread is just going to be hellbent on opinions they saw on ESPN who have no knowledge of the actually situation and/or are enhanced by hatred for the Cowboys, so any argument is futile.

When Dez is enshrined in Canton, I hope you all enjoy your gourmet dishes of crow.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mIF7tTOG0kE/UC5No6oD8LI/AAAAAAAABP4/ju2OdVmC40U/s500/umpboom.gif

Jvig43
08-26-2012, 07:21 PM
I think the cowboys will be much improved this season, but this guy makes me hope I'm wrong.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:29 PM
I think the cowboys will be much improved this season, but this guy makes me hope I'm wrong.

With all seriousness, look at the situation objectively:

If this keeps Dez out of trouble and on the field, who cares? This isn't desperate housewives. The funny thing is that people don't realize how much of a freak Dez is. I'd argue he has the best ball skills in the entire NFL. He is the most physically gifted WR in the NFL outside of Megatron. It's funny how people pile it on Dez, but if he was on the team they are a fan of they would be saying the exact same things that Cowboys fans do. He's an absolute monster. His hands are flawless, he's a tank in the open field, and his ball skills are borderline super-human.

If Dez is healthy for a full season, he can go for 1400 yards and 15 TD's at will for the next decade. Laugh now, but you won't be soon.

niel89
08-26-2012, 07:34 PM
You see nothing homerific about that post? You say objectively, and then say he is going to get 1400 yards & 15 TDs at will for the next decade.

You just gave him a bust in Canton after only 2 years.

Jvig43
08-26-2012, 07:37 PM
Not to mention I think I'm looking at it pretty objectively, I'm a Pats fan, I have no strong feelings about the cowboys one way or the other. I even said I expect them to have a pretty good year this year, but Dez isn't even the best WR in that division. Calvin Johnson isn't even putting up those numbers every single season (yet of course haha)

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:37 PM
You see nothing homerific about that post? You say objectively, and then say he is going to get 1400 yards & 15 TDs at will for the next decade.

You obviously don't know Dez Bryant's ability at all then. It's not homerific. If I said Dwayne Harris would do that, then it's blind homerism. Dez is a freak. If he was on your team you would feel the exact same way. He's Calvin Johnson minus 2 inches. He really is. Laugh and neg rep me all you want, the dude is an animal.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:40 PM
Not to mention I think I'm looking at it pretty objectively, I'm a Pats fan, I have no strong feelings about the cowboys one way or the other. I even said I expect them to have a pretty good year this year, but Dez isn't even the best WR in that division. Calvin Johnson isn't even putting up those numbers every single season (yet of course haha)

Dez has had 2 seasons in the NFL, and his rookie year was litered with injuries and he had Jon Kitna at QB.... WR's always take longer to produce in the NFL, and there was the lockout. Who's better in the NFC East? He's got way more potential than Nicks, and until I see otherwise Victor Cruz will never come close to what he did last year again. DeSean Jackson or Jeremy Maclin? Stop.

Eli makes Nicks and Cruz look better than they are.

bigbluedefense
08-26-2012, 07:46 PM
See, this is what I have a SERIOUS problem with. How the heck can you call him that? By stuff you read in the media? Dez is probably one of the best teammates in the entire NFL. He loves football and his energy is great for the locker room.

It's so funny how people just see something on ESPN and act like they are inside a locker room. Smh. If you want to talk about perception, have the Giants team are douchebags. Tuck, Rolle, Diehl, and Jacobs was the biggest one ever. Stop while you're behind.

He hit his mother. Hes a douchebag. I'm gonna ignore everything else you said bc it doesn't even deserve a response.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 07:47 PM
Nicks is better than Dez.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:48 PM
He hit his mother. Hes a douchebag. I'm gonna ignore everything else you said bc it doesn't even deserve a response.

Dude... he pushed her out of his way and walked away. I'm not defending that action, but again you're a prime example of the faults of the American public when it comes to listening to the media. I bet you 90% of people think Dez punched his mom in the face.... that's not what happened. Just think about it... Dez is 220 pounds of pure muscle, and his mom didn't even have a scratch on her. If he assaulted her, she'd be ****** up.

You're ******** assumptions are what don't deserve a response.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:49 PM
Nicks is better than Dez.

At what? Scoring pathetically low on the wonderlic test? Dez got a 16, Nicks got an 11. He's got him there...

SuperPacker
08-26-2012, 07:50 PM
I come to this thread having a soft spot for Dez Bryant and thinking the Cowboys will actually finish above the Giants. I leave the thread hating Dez Bryant and hoping that every Cowboy player burns in hell.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 07:51 PM
At being an NFL WR.

niel89
08-26-2012, 07:52 PM
No real point to arguing with you about Dez. You are very biased and greatly inflate Bryant's abilities and his future.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:52 PM
I come to this thread having a soft spot for Dez Bryant and thinking the Cowboys will actually finish above the Giants. I leave the thread hating Dez Bryant and hoping that every Cowboy player burns in hell.

The funny thing is, if he was a Packer he'd probably set every single season WR record in the book and you'd love him. *sigh*

:spam:

Bulldogs
08-26-2012, 07:52 PM
Dez Bryant is not Calvin minus 2 inches.

bigbluedefense
08-26-2012, 07:53 PM
The faults of the american public is defending a douchebag bc he happens to play wr for your favorite team. Call a spade a spade.

No one is questioning his ability. It's quite obvious that his character is questionable though. Jerry Jones obviously thinks so. Does he count as the "media"?

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:54 PM
At being an NFL WR.

How? Dez is superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY. Nicks is an above average player who greatly benefits from Eli Manning and how easy it is to pass in today's NFL. He isn't a gamebreaker. Put a good CB on him and he'll be relatively quiet.

To Niel89, i'm not overestimating any of Dez's abilities. Assume what you want. Enjoy the show this season.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 07:56 PM
How? Dez is superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY. Nicks is an above average player who greatly benefits from Eli Manning and how easy it is to pass in today's NFL. He isn't a gamebreaker. Put a good CB on him and he'll be relatively quiet.

To Niel89, i'm not overestimating any of Dez's abilities. Assume what you want. Enjoy the show this season.

Yup Nicks sure was quiet in the playoffs last year. He didn't break open the Packers game either with his 2 TD's.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:56 PM
The faults of the american public is defending a douchebag bc he happens to play wr for your favorite team. Call a spade a spade.

No one is questioning his ability. It's quite obvious that his character is questionable though. Jerry Jones obviously thinks so. Does he count as the "media"?

Again... who cares if he's on the field? It's funny how Dez's issue is perceived as worse than things like DUI's. A DUI can kill multiple people. Dez has been late to make jewelry payments, sagged his pants at a man, and PUSHED his mom. Big ass deal.

This is a joke.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:57 PM
Yup Nicks sure was quiet in the playoffs last year. He didn't break open the Packers game either with his 2 TD's.

Who the hell do the packers have at CB? Don't even begin to say Charles Woodson or Tramon Williams. The hail mary TD was a lucky joke.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 07:58 PM
Who the hell do the packers have at CB? Don't even begin to say Charles Woodson or Tramon Williams. The hail mary TD was a lucky joke.

Yeah yeah. I'm done with this. Good luck to Dez this year.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 07:59 PM
Yeah yeah. I'm done with this. Good luck to Dez this year.

I'm done with this thread too. Good luck Sept. 5th.

SuperPacker
08-26-2012, 08:00 PM
Yup Nicks sure was quiet in the playoffs last year. He didn't break open the Packers game either with his 2 TD's.

Tbf the first one was just horrendous tackling and then the 2nd one was an uncontested hail mary. If I remember correctly.

Jvig43
08-26-2012, 08:01 PM
Seriously, my fantasy team would be unstoppable if Dez puts up those numbers thie year. It'd be great.

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Tbf the first one was just horrendous tackling and then the 2nd one was an uncontested hail mary. If I remember correctly.

Well still a game breaker though. I was just trying to show that. He did the same thing against Atlanta as well.

TheFlash (CDCB)
08-26-2012, 08:04 PM
Well still a game breaker though. I was just trying to show that. He did the same thing against Atlanta as well.

How is 2 garbage/lucky touchdowns gamebreaking? I remember than Atlanta game too, his long touchdown was absolutely pathetic angle pursuit and tackling by the Falcons.

Nicks is an above average player who benefits greatly from Eli. Nothing more, nothing less.

Brodeur
08-26-2012, 08:06 PM
At least Nicks knows what a second half is.

ChiFan24
08-26-2012, 08:09 PM
Again... who cares if he's on the field? It's funny how Dez's issue is perceived as worse than things like DUI's. A DUI can kill multiple people. Dez has been late to make jewelry payments, sagged his pants at a man, and PUSHED his mom. Big ass deal.

This is a joke.

You're 16 years old. I'm almost positive.

Jvig43
08-26-2012, 08:30 PM
At least Nicks knows what a second half is.

Unfortunately he isn't CJ minus 2 inches.

Raiderz4Life
08-26-2012, 09:24 PM
I been out of the NFL forums but I think I got it now

TheFlash=JCBX

Stash
08-27-2012, 12:40 AM
Wasn't JCBX an Eagles fan though? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 01:37 AM
My, my. This thread really took off.

:crapstorm:

The better than Hakeem Nicks thing is hysterical. Hakeem is a ******* problem; he has 3034 yards and 24 TDs in 3 years and he's coming off a post season where he put up 28 receptions, 444 yards and 4 TDs. Better than Hakeem Nicks... GTFO.

Cudders
08-27-2012, 08:28 AM
Right now, Nicks is a better receiver than Dez.

I think itís insane to suggest that Nicks has stumbled into all of his production. He would have to be the luckiest man in the whole world. Because heís performing at quite a high level for just tripping over himself and somehow coming down with touchdown passes. Two consecutive seasons with 75+ REC and 1000+ YDS and heís battled some nagging injuries while doing it. (For the record, Dez hasnít done that once.) You donít just luck into that kind of production in the NFL. You earn it. The truth is that Nicks is the best receiver in the NFC East and a part of that second tier of receivers in the entire NFL. Heís not Calvin or Fitzgerald or Andre, but heís still a great receiver and heís not just a product of Eli Manning. Heís a game-breaker, coverage-changer, whatever. He makes things happen once the ball is in the air. Versatile, smart runner, strong at the line and after the catch, deceptive length and deep ball threat. He threatens in all areas.

Granted, Dez has talent. There are a lot of qualities to point to and love when it comes to his skill set. In fact, I think heís got the potential to be right there with Nicks among the best receivers in the NFL. But heís not better than Nicks right now and heís not Calvin minus three inches either. Thereís still a gap that needs to be bridged between his abilities and his production.

As for these character concerns, it is a little worrisome and I think thereís merit to discussing them as opposed to dismissing it as media fear-mongering. I donít know Dezís position within the locker room. He might be one of the most devoted, loved teammates in there. But what I do know is Dez is the type of player that frustrates coaches endlessly. He has all the requisite talent to carve out a long career. Yet, heís entering his third seasons in the league, and he still doesnít seem to ďgetĒ what it takes to be as successful as he can be. Still jeopardizes his career with foolish off-field actions.

The elite ones take their work with them all the time. Most people in this league have a strong work ethic in practice when a coach is right there to monitor and scold their missteps. And most people are competitive enough to bring it for at least sixteen weekends. But what separates greatness from talent is whatís done when thereís not a coach right there to monitor and scold their missteps. I donít know Dez has that kind of discipline and Iím not sure an arrangement where heís being supervised all the time can work long-term.

Sure, the NFL is a stressful environment and there come points where people need to cut loose. But it shouldnít be hard to exercise some common sense here and there to protect their career. Want to get drunk and fraternize with some females and have a carefree good time? Do it at home with close friends and invite a select crowd to join. Their panties will still drop. Dez is either an ignorant, reckless hot head or trouble seems to find him at a ridiculous rate. No matter the answer, he needs to smarten up and realize the stakes.

You hope the light bulb comes on at some point, but often times, it first takes something being taken from them for that to happen. Thatís what Dallas has to gauge before offering a lucrative, long-term extension. Whether heís capable of changing aspects of his own behavior that could derail his career.

Da-Phins
08-27-2012, 08:53 AM
Wow thats just sad that the Cowboys have to do that. Seems like Dez is gonna be one of those guys who will drive you crazy throughout this career by knowing he has elite talent but will never be consistent with it. Wouldnt doubt it if Cowboys gets tired of him in another year or two and ship him out.

jrdrylie
08-27-2012, 09:35 AM
I been out of the NFL forums but I think I got it now

TheFlash=JCBX

Wasn't JCBX an Eagles fan though? Or am I thinking of someone else?

No, JBCX was definitely an Eagles fan. The Flash is just the Dallas version of JBCX. I am actually picking Dallas to win the NFC but this guy makes me hope they go 0-16.

Bert Macklin
08-27-2012, 12:49 PM
Wow can't believe a human needs this. Just grow up.


-†A midnight curfew. If he's going to miss curfew, team officials must know in advance;

-†No drinking alcohol.

-†He can't attend any strip clubs and can only attend nightclubs if they are approved by the team and he has a security team with him.

-†He must attend counseling sessions twice a week.

-†A rotating three-man security team will leave one man with Bryant at all times.

-†Members of the security team will drive Bryant to practices, games and team functions.


http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8304196&city=dallas

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 12:53 PM
Remember when Jerry Jones tried to do this with Pac Man Jones? That worked out...

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 12:57 PM
This thread has become majorly funny!

Jvig43
08-27-2012, 01:01 PM
This thread has been majorly funny from the start lol

Giantsfan1080
08-27-2012, 01:01 PM
This thread has become majorly funny!

Major Cowboys homerism will do that.

Trogdor
08-27-2012, 01:05 PM
Major Giants homerism will do that.

You joined the thread harped about how much how an !@#$ Dez is. Openly stated it didn't matter because the Giants will stomp the 'Boys. Then insulted anyone who disagreed with you. Besides you already said you were done with this thread. :)

Any chance you will be opening your mind up for tours? I've always wanted to know what a hypocrite's mind looks like.

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 01:06 PM
Major Cowboys hatred will do that.
Yep, I agree!!!

Giantsfan1080
08-27-2012, 01:08 PM
You joined the thread harped about how much how an !@#$ Dez is. Openly stated it didn't matter because the Giants will stomp the 'Boys. Then insulted anyone who disagreed with you. Besides you already said you were done with this thread. :)

Any chance you will be opening your mind up for tours? I've always wanted to know what a hypocrite's mind looks like.

I said I was done with Flash, not the thread. I was also trying to get the 'Boys fans riled up a bit for fun which seemed to work.

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 01:10 PM
Hold on... Cowboys fans made excuse after excuse for Dez in this thread, said he's on track for his "best season yet", said he's better than Hakeem Nicks, called him "Calvin minus two inches" and said he'll be in Canton one day but we're in the wrong? HA! That's rich.

I can't believe we're all such haters. We're all just blind to the greatness of Dez "I hit my mother" Bryant.

brat316
08-27-2012, 01:17 PM
he didn't hit his mother.

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 01:18 PM
he didn't hit his mother.

Oh sorry, he pushed her and somehow snapped her bra. My mistake.

EDIT: Nope, I was right. Link (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/17/dez-bryant-police-report-911-mother-bra/).

Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant allegedly hit his mother in the face with his baseball cap ... and grabbed her by the shirt so hard that he ripped her bra ... this according to arrest documents obtained by TMZ.

brat316
08-27-2012, 01:21 PM
so he threw a baseball cap at her?

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 01:23 PM
so he threw a baseball cap at her?

Does it say that? It says he hit her with his baseball cap, it does not say he threw it.

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 01:25 PM
I said I was done with Flash, not the thread. I was also trying to get the 'Boys fans riled up a bit for fun which seemed to work.
You're the one that still harbors ill feelings over someone who 2 years ago said that Dez was the best WR in the NFC East. I would say you're the one riled up. LOL. The way you speak in this thread, I would say that you're down right disgusted. Why you so mad? Life is good broski! :)

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 01:28 PM
Boo D-Unit! BOooo! You changed me back to Thumper in the lamest way possible. **** parenthesis.

Jvig43
08-27-2012, 01:29 PM
Even tho I disagree with you on this topic D, I love you for that, and I will rep you within the next 24 hours for it.

bigbluedefense
08-27-2012, 01:29 PM
Haha, he's Thumper again!

I say we just change it back to Thumper completely.

Giantsfan1080
08-27-2012, 01:30 PM
You're the one that still harbors ill feelings over someone who 2 years ago said that Dez was the best WR in the NFC East. I would say you're the one riled up. LOL. The way you speak in this thread, I would say that you're down right disgusted. Why you so mad? Life is good broski! :)

I just think it's hilarious you were so adamant about at the time and were telling just everyone to wait until it comes to fruition. Well it's his 3rd year now so the clock is ticking. Also, believe me when I tell you I'm not mad or disgusted over it.

Excellent move on the changed name and I'm actually disgusted by the fact that I agree with Thumper on this.

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 01:32 PM
Haha, he's Thumper again!

I say we just change it back to Thumper completely.

Seriously, do it. The parenthesis look ********.

Jvig43
08-27-2012, 01:37 PM
You should keep it because he doesn't like it.

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 01:46 PM
Seriously, do it. The parenthesis look ********.
I can't change it to Thumper because there is already a user Thumper.

I could go Thumper2.

BTW, I changed TheFlash too TheFlash (CDCB) too.

Giantsfan1080
08-27-2012, 01:47 PM
Hasn't he been banned like 5 times now?

Jvig43
08-27-2012, 01:49 PM
I can't change it to Thumper because there is already a user Thumper.

I could go Thumper2.

BTW, I changed TheFlash too TheFlash (CDCB) too.

Also an awesome change as that one was really obvious as well.

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 01:53 PM
I just think it's hilarious you were so adamant about at the time and were telling just everyone to wait until it comes to fruition. Well it's his 3rd year now so the clock is ticking. Also, believe me when I tell you I'm not mad or disgusted over it.

Excellent move on the changed name and I'm actually disgusted by the fact that I agree with Thumper on this.
You act like he hasn't been good or something. No WR in the NFC East had more TDs than him last year while Nicks and Cruz had way more targets than him... and Desean had more targets too.

I didn't expect Romo to go down in Dez's rookie year, but he still didn't disappoint.

I still remain that he's the most talented and complete WR in the NFC East. He's just a knucklehead off the field.

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 01:54 PM
Also an awesome change as that one was really obvious as well.
Maybe we should change all of the returnees... Anyone care to make a list?

Giantsfan1080
08-27-2012, 02:05 PM
You act like he hasn't been good or something. No WR in the NFC East had more TDs than him last year while Nicks and Cruz had way more targets than him... and Desean had more targets too.

I didn't expect Romo to go down in Dez's rookie year, but he still didn't disappoint.

I still remain that he's the most talented and complete WR in the NFC East. He's just a knucklehead off the field.

I never once said he's not a good WR. He is a very good WR with the chance at being the best but potential is meaningless if he doesn't put it together and thus far he hasn't. Cruz had the same number of TD's as Dez last year and both he and Nicks had more catches and yards. Why isn't Dex being targeted more if he's the most talented and complete WR in the division? Nicks was doubled for most of the year in 2011 and still managed to put up those numbers. When Cruz started breaking out it was still Nicks who drew most of the attention.

Bixby (Thumper)
08-27-2012, 02:36 PM
I can't change it to Thumper because there is already a user Thumper.

I could go Thumper2.

BTW, I changed TheFlash too TheFlash (CDCB) too.

I'm fine with Thumper≤

scottyboy
08-27-2012, 02:38 PM
don't change it to something they like. I mean, technically banned users shouldn't be allowed back and stuff, but for entertainment purposes, and making everyone else feel smarter about their football opinions, we're ok with them sticking around

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 02:39 PM
I never once said he's not a good WR. He is a very good WR with the chance at being the best but potential is meaningless if he doesn't put it together and thus far he hasn't. Cruz had the same number of TD's as Dez last year and both he and Nicks had more catches and yards. Why isn't Dex being targeted more if he's the most talented and complete WR in the division? Nicks was doubled for most of the year in 2011 and still managed to put up those numbers. When Cruz started breaking out it was still Nicks who drew most of the attention.
Dez drew plenty of attention which allowed Laurent Robinson to have an incredible season. But the reasons are too plentiful to compare WRs based on stats.

The only thing I've said or tried to say is that Dez is the most talented WR in the NFC East. That's not to suggest that he'll need the best stats to prove it. Talent is skill. How it's used... varies and depends.

brat316
08-27-2012, 02:40 PM
Who is CDBC?

and wasn't there someone, a dallas fan with the Flash as a sig?

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 02:42 PM
Who is CDBC?

and wasn't there someone, a dallas fan with the Flash as a sig?
He's mostly just a dallas poster that has like 6 or 7 accounts after constantly being banned. We have a couple of guys like that actually. Bob.

brat316
08-27-2012, 02:46 PM
he was from the Dakotas I believe.

Jvig43
08-27-2012, 06:26 PM
Cdcb or whatever told me he was going to kill my family over a PM for disagreeing with him about something Cowboy related. Then Shane gave me an infraction for it. It was rather amusing.

San Diego Chicken
08-27-2012, 06:36 PM
Smart move. I'd do the same thing. Dez is still a kid, 23 year old's are less mature nowadays than they were in the past. His problems can be harnessed in, but he needs supervision. The name Cris Carter comes to mind, but Jerry doesn't want to see Dez produce for someone else. It took Cris getting released to grow up.

descendency
08-27-2012, 07:28 PM
I found this quite interesting

But the others were because they went to jail.

TheFinisher
08-27-2012, 07:52 PM
I can't change it to Thumper because there is already a user Thumper.

I could go Thumper2.

BTW, I changed TheFlash too TheFlash (CDCB) too.


LMAO!

I called that a couple weeks ago...



The NFL is a multi-billion dollar corporation, 2nd grade mistakes like that are simply unacceptable.

TNewFan/Airmax/CDCB.... is that you?

Nope, I am not a previous poster. I've been a long time reader, and believe it or not the Dark Knight Rises thread is what made me join because I wanted to discuss the film with other fans.

The Giants don't impress me by the way. If we can keep Romo upright I think we should have a pretty good shake at winning that game. Also, can't wait to see Mo in a Cowboys uniform tonight. 25 minutes!

:banana:

D-Unit
08-27-2012, 09:08 PM
The best part of it all... Dez is the one paying for the security detail. He's out there trying to show that he wants to change his ways. I applaud that.

Ness
08-27-2012, 10:06 PM
Cdcb or whatever told me he was going to kill my family over a PM for disagreeing with him about something Cowboy related. Then Shane gave me an infraction for it. It was rather amusing.

Why did you get the infraction?

Jvig43
08-27-2012, 10:55 PM
He thought I was the one who sent it lol

prock
08-28-2012, 02:08 AM
He's also quite the douchebag.

See, this is what I have a SERIOUS problem with. How the heck can you call him that? By stuff you read in the media? Dez is probably one of the best teammates in the entire NFL. He loves football and his energy is great for the locker room.

It's so funny how people just see something on ESPN and act like they are inside a locker room. Smh. If you want to talk about perception, have the Giants team are douchebags. Tuck, Rolle, Diehl, and Jacobs was the biggest one ever. Stop while you're behind.

This is what I have a serious problem with. How the heck can you say that? By stuff you read in the media?

prock
08-28-2012, 02:13 AM
How? Dez is superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY. Nicks is an above average player who greatly benefits from Eli Manning and how easy it is to pass in today's NFL. He isn't a gamebreaker. Put a good CB on him and he'll be relatively quiet.

To Niel89, i'm not overestimating any of Dez's abilities. Assume what you want. Enjoy the show this season.

So you're saying Eli Manning >>>>> Tony Romo and the pro-offense rule adjustments only affect Nicks, not Bryant. Got it.

prock
08-28-2012, 02:13 AM
Ok, I read this whole thread and remembered again why everyone in America ******* hates the Cowboys.

MetSox17
08-28-2012, 05:31 AM
Cdcb and bob are in no way proper representation of our fan base. It would probably be best not to argue with them.

Rosebud
08-29-2012, 01:02 AM
Who's the bigger ****-nut, Kenny Britt or Dez Bryant?

Giantsfan1080
08-29-2012, 07:18 AM
Kenny Britt at this point and it's not close.

scottyboy
08-29-2012, 07:58 AM
yeah, it's Britt, but he's also the better player so it's ok

Ness
08-29-2012, 09:50 AM
yeah, it's Britt, but he's also the better player so it's ok

It's okay that he's a knucklehead because he's flashed potential to be a good player in this league? Nine run-ins with the law probably say it's not okay. Doesn't matter if he might be better than Bryant as a player.