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Razor
08-28-2012, 10:15 AM
Player Pos. School Grade
1. Matt Barkley QB USC 94
2. Chance Warmack OG Alabama 94
3. David Amerson CB N. C. State 94
4. Barkevious Mingo DE LSU 94
5. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia 94
6. Star Lotulelei DT Utah 94
7. Justin Hunter WR Tennessee 93
8. Sylvester Williams DT N. Carolina 93
9. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame 93
10. Jonathan Cooper OG N. Carolina 92
11. Logan Thomas QB Va. Tech 92
12. Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State 92
13. Marcus Lattimore RB S. Carolina 92
14. Sam Montgomery DE LSU 92
15. Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia 91
16. Corey Lemonier DE Auburn 91
17. Brennan Williams OT N. Carolina 91
18. Keenan Allen WR California 91
19. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas 90
20. Alec Ogletree ILB Georgia 90
21. Marquess Wilson WR Wash. St. 90
22. Desmond Trufant CB Washington 90
23. Shawn Williams S Georgia 89
24. Landry Jones QB Oklahoma 89
25. Brandon Jenkins OLB Fla. St. 89
26. William Gholston DE Mich. St. 89
27. Bennie Logan DT LSU 89
28. Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 89
29. Kawann Short DT Purdue 88
30. Johnthan Banks CB Miss. St. 88
31. Luke Joeckyl OT Texas A&M 88
32. Robert Woods WR USC 88

Robert Woods only at 88 is very surprising to me. Only the fourth receiver on their board. I like all four, but Woods is imo the best right now. I don't see how Hunter can be the highest rated WR, especially since he missed most of last year.

prock
08-28-2012, 10:22 AM
Landry that high is weird to me, especially over guys like Tyler Wilson.

CashmoneyDrew
08-28-2012, 10:32 AM
#3 vs. #7 this Friday.

The Dallas Thomas love is a little surprising.

Don Vito
08-28-2012, 11:12 AM
I like Jenkins and he has first round ability but that's pretty high for him. But good god there is some crazy talent on the dl this draft, same goes for interior ol. I hope the pats take advantage.

ATLDirtyBirds
08-28-2012, 11:54 AM
Embrace the Warmack love.


#3 vs. #7 this Friday.

The Dallas Thomas love is a little surprising.

I'm upset Dallas is moving to G. I liked him more than people like Ricky Wagner at OT.

CashmoneyDrew
08-28-2012, 11:55 AM
Also on Dallas Thomas, he's playing left guard this season, and that's his best fit at the next level as well.

tjsunstein
08-28-2012, 12:03 PM
Geno Smith is a better prospect than Landry Jones. I like the Lemonier love though.

wicket
08-28-2012, 12:18 PM
no eifert means the list is flawed

SolidGold
08-28-2012, 12:29 PM
Geno Smith is a better prospect than Landry Jones. I like the Lemonier love though.

Tyler Wilson is a better prospect than Logan Thomas yet he isn't on the list either.

Shane P. Hallam
08-28-2012, 01:02 PM
Tyler Wilson is a better prospect than Logan Thomas yet he isn't on the list either.

I'll say this, Tyler Wilson is thought of (right now,) much higher in draftnik circles than NFL circles.

SolidGold
08-28-2012, 01:07 PM
I'll say this, Tyler Wilson is thought of (right now,) much higher in draftnik circles than NFL circles.

And thats a shame because many people in NFL circles get it wrong every year yet are still regarded as competent personnel people.

D-Unit
08-28-2012, 01:20 PM
QB prospects will always rise as the draft progresses. I'll be shocked if Wilson isn't a Top 20 pick.

Shane P. Hallam
08-28-2012, 01:25 PM
And thats a shame because many people in NFL circles get it wrong every year yet are still regarded as competent personnel people.

They do, and vice versa as well though. The opposite becomes true a lot as well.

SolidGold
08-28-2012, 01:31 PM
They do, and vice versa as well though. The opposite becomes true a lot as well.

I agree completely. Just as an amateur draftnik it is sometimes frustrating to see what kind of personnel decisions some of these GM/"Football People" make. Also, Scouts Inc. is somewhat of a joke itself.

Their are plenty on this board who are better than than anything ESPN has to offer in terms of analyzing talent.

MidwayMonster31
08-28-2012, 01:38 PM
I'll say this, Tyler Wilson is thought of (right now,) much higher in draftnik circles than NFL circles.Bobby Petrino might be a big reason for that. His quarterbacks have had a fairly lousy track record in the NFL, also Petrino may be hated in the NFL since he has burned plenty of bridges.
Wilson has a solid arm, accurate and has good timing. It will be interesting to see what happens this year though.

D-Unit
08-28-2012, 02:56 PM
Bobby Petrino might be a big reason for that. His quarterbacks have had a fairly lousy track record in the NFL, also Petrino may be hated in the NFL since he has burned plenty of bridges.
Wilson has a solid arm, accurate and has good timing. It will be interesting to see what happens this year though.
That might be true about Petrino (who is a major douche), but I don't think there is a direct success/fail correlation between a QB prospect and his college coach. If there is, it's a very small percentage. Majority is on the player.

Halsey
08-28-2012, 03:15 PM
And thats a shame because many people in NFL circles get it wrong every year yet are still regarded as competent personnel people.

I actually find fans on average to be much more clueless about QBs than NFL teams are. Fans just don't have to live with the consequences when they're wrong. Fans can conveniently forget the guys they're wrong about and remind everyone when they're right.

D-Unit
08-28-2012, 03:24 PM
I actually find fans on average to be much more clueless about QBs than NFL teams are. Fans just don't have to live with the consequences when they're wrong. Fans can conveniently forget the guys they're wrong about and remind everyone when they're right.
Considering the high amout of 1st round QB busts, you must think very lowly of the avg fan. haha.

D-Unit
08-28-2012, 03:25 PM
LOVE seeing Shawn Williams on this list, btw.

duesouth
08-29-2012, 08:48 AM
I have Alex Okafor very high on my pre-season list - he has been a little inconsistent, but still can't believe he's not on the list.

Witten4HOF
08-29-2012, 12:37 PM
McShay was on sportscenter this morning and said he feels like Warmack is a serious top 5 pick in the mold of Hutch. He also went to town on Jenkins second half of the season calling him dominant.

mqtirishfan
08-29-2012, 01:20 PM
I'm actually okay with projecting Hunter as the top receiver, so long as it assumes he'll be fully healthy all season.

jared3
09-02-2012, 09:43 PM
I would put CB Dee Milliner in that mix too.

Ozzy
09-02-2012, 10:14 PM
Odd list

21. Marquess Wilson

Are you friggin kidding me, freshman receivers on Washington State looked better than he did against BYU. Skinny and kind of weak, not impressed and there are easily 10+ receivers better than him.


15. Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia 91

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too low for him, he is by far the best linebacker in the nation. Great athlete, sick pass rusher, is all over the field!



2. Chance Warmack OG Alabama 94

LOVE Warmack, but #2 pick talent wise possibly with that grade, hard time seeing that happen, a guard being picked that high but who knows, would be pretty bad ass if it did happen.

Halsey
09-02-2012, 10:16 PM
Ranking a player #2 doesn't mean they expect him to be drafted #2.

tjsunstein
09-02-2012, 10:19 PM
Not ranking Geno Smith at all still blows my mind.

JHL6719
09-02-2012, 10:29 PM
David Amerson got dragged up and down the field by the Vols. Giving up long bomb touchdowns one after the other and not being able to make the tackle on a reverse that scored despite having the angle. He looked terrible.

Docta
09-02-2012, 10:47 PM
David Amerson got dragged up and down the field by the Vols. Giving up long bomb touchdowns one after the other and not being able to make the tackle on a reverse that scored despite having the angle. He looked terrible.
Looked like he's more fit to play in zone coverage. He's still a ball hawk though. Wouldn't be surprised if he got converted to safety.

FUNBUNCHER
09-02-2012, 11:56 PM
Not ranking Geno Smith at all still blows my mind.
This will be corrected by the time the draft rolls around.
I think Geno Smith is a lock first rounder.

Where would the Hurricanes be right now if they'd offered Smith a scholarship??:waiting:

PossibleCabbage
09-03-2012, 12:53 AM
Looked like he's more fit to play in zone coverage. He's still a ball hawk though. Wouldn't be surprised if he got converted to safety.

He may have more money at stake running at the combine than anybody else. The concern about him coming into the year was that his (impressive) INT numbers obscured a general lack of speed, which is something highlighted and underscored by his very poor performance against Tennessee.

Remember when we had Malcom Jenkins in the top 5, and then he ran a 4.5 at the combine, and was moved to safety after one year, and it's not like he's the kind of safety you would take #14 overall either (compare, say, Earl Thomas.) No one would be surprised to see Amerson follow that kind of career trajectory.

But if he runs well, a lot will be forgiven.

FUNBUNCHER
09-03-2012, 01:12 AM
It's not just how fast Amerson can run in a straight line, it's about whether he has the movement skills to play cornerback in the NFL. Running a 4.4 would be great, but it's just one skillset needed to be a successful NFL corner.

There are plenty of safeties in the NFL with elite straightline speed who simply don't have the coverage awareness, ball skills, or hip flexibility to ever play corner.

Did Amerson get beat because of bad coverage reads against the Vols, or lack of athletic ability to get downfield in coverage?
I don't know and only saw highlights.
NC State QB Mike GLennon hurt himself more than any potential top prospect in that game IMO. THrowing 4 INTs is inexcusable for a QB who had a shot to go in the first round.

justdoit12
09-06-2012, 11:53 PM
This will be corrected by the time the draft rolls around.
I think Geno Smith is a lock first rounder.

Where would the Hurricanes be right now if they'd offered Smith a scholarship??:waiting:

They did offer him a scholarship. He just didn't want to follow jacory Harris to miami