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princefielder28
09-08-2012, 04:24 PM
Watching the first half of the Badgers-Beavers game, and he has been a player that has jumped off the screen and shut down his side of the field. He's also a weapon on special teams and during a year where there's really no clear cut #1 senior CB, this guy could very well take that title.

http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/files/2012/01/poyer-240x240.jpg

jared3
09-08-2012, 06:26 PM
Poyer played really well. My top corners so far include: 1) Dee Milliner 2) Johnathan Banks 3) Xavier Rhodes 4) Jordan Poyer 5) David Amerson

princefielder28
10-06-2012, 09:28 PM
3 INTs today...first round consideration???

rawdawg
10-07-2012, 10:57 AM
I don't know about 1st round. But easily goes in the 2nd. I'm crossing my fingers that he's around for the Bears 2nd round pick and they select a Beaver defender for the 3rd straight year. He's a guy that can just cover. He won't wow you with his physique, great height/length, or 4.3 blazing speed, but he covers anyone you put in front of him. He doesn't lack for ball skills or speed. He's my Casey Hayward of this season (and I was in love with Casey, til he went to the Packers).

bucfan12
10-07-2012, 11:22 AM
This guy is legit. Very underrated but that could change very soon.

BRAVEHEART
10-07-2012, 01:52 PM
Shutdown Marquess Wilson.

San Diego Chicken
10-07-2012, 06:29 PM
He's legit. Can play corner, safety, nickel corner... he's a D-coordinator's dream.

y.f.s.
10-07-2012, 07:16 PM
Gonna cut a video of this dude, too since I already have UCLA vs oregon st

bulldog0123
10-10-2012, 08:05 AM
Can't tackle.

princefielder28
10-13-2012, 06:08 PM
INT for a TD against BYU to guarantee the victory...the MVP of the undefeated Beavers

gpngc
10-13-2012, 06:12 PM
Nice call PF28. Bulldog, a lot of his highlight tapes include a bunch of big hits, forced fumbles, and closing on receivers before they catch the ball.

Care to elaborate? Is he a hit-or-miss tackler that whiffs at times?

norcalgsr
10-14-2012, 01:13 AM
INT for a TD against BYU to guarantee the victory...the MVP of the undefeated Beavers

The INT was off a deflected pass. How many of this 3 INTs last week were in man coverage? Cody Hoffman beat him for a would-be TD on a out/corner route and he had to commit a Pass Interference penalty.

In last year's game, Hoffman also beat Poyer two times: one on a back shoulder throw for a TD, the other was a deep post where he was grabbing Hoffman (which should have been Pass Interference) after getting beat, but luckily the Safety was there when the pass arrived to "disrupt" the play.

Not sure why Poyer doesn't just shadow the opposing teams' #1 WRs if he's a true "shutdown" Corner.

norcalgsr
10-14-2012, 02:20 AM
Shutdown Marquess Wilson.

What happened with Dan Buckner and Austin Hill?

princefielder28
10-14-2012, 07:16 AM
Not sure why Poyer doesn't just shadow the opposing teams' #1 WRs if he's a true "shutdown" Corner.

This could very well be a schematic preference by the defensive coordinator to have Poyer play half the field as opposed to shadowing a team's #1. If I am not mistaken the Raiders did that with Nnamdi when they had him, eliminate one half of the field instead of taking on a team's #1.

rawdawg
10-14-2012, 08:23 AM
This could very well be a schematic preference by the defensive coordinator to have Poyer play half the field as opposed to shadowing a team's #1. If I am not mistaken the Raiders did that with Nnamdi when they had him, eliminate one half of the field instead of taking on a team's #1.

This is likely true. Teams could just combat Poyer by putting their #1 in the slot and giving him a 2-way go, instead of giving Poyer the sideline to help as he would be able to get vs. an outside WR on his half of the field.

And CBs get beat every game. I don't know why pointing out when one got beat would help to prove he's not a shutdown CB. Granted, Poyer's NOT a true shutdown CB, but few are. The value with Poyer is that you don't have to spend a top 15-20 pick on him, and you still get a pretty good cover guy out of it.

SuperPacker
10-14-2012, 08:39 AM
This is likely true. Teams could just combat Poyer by putting their #1 in the slot and giving him a 2-way go, instead of giving Poyer the sideline to help as he would be able to get vs. an outside WR on his half of the field.

And CBs get beat every game. I don't know why pointing out when one got beat would help to prove he's not a shutdown CB. Granted, Poyer's NOT a true shutdown CB, but few are. The value with Poyer is that you don't have to spend a top 15-20 pick on him, and you still get a pretty good cover guy out of it.

What? Because he isn't a household name? If he plays like a top 15 player he has every chance to be taken there.

princefielder28
10-14-2012, 08:53 AM
What? Because he isn't a household name? If he plays like a top 15 player he has every chance to be taken there.

If I had to guess where a NFL squad would select him, I'd say the late 1st - early 2nd. I have him above Johnthan Banks in terms of senior corners, and Milliner and Rhodes will probably draw more interest given their slightly better measurables. All four are going to be close on NFL boards, and I don't expect any of them to be on the board too deep into the draft.

rawdawg
10-14-2012, 10:29 AM
What? Because he isn't a household name? If he plays like a top 15 player he has every chance to be taken there.

So, Collin Klein's a top 15 pick too? He's played like a top 15 player right? If Poyer plays like a top 15 player (which he has, IMO) he still won't go in the top 15 unless he runs, jumps, and lifts like a top 15 player. He's not going to wow anyone at a combine that is probably going to have a lot of "wow" players. Maybe not many at his position, but his fellow CB class has a trio of 6'2" CBs and 6'1" Milliner who will likely going into the draft having started for a 2-time national champion in the best conference in the country.

That's not to knock Poyer, because as I said, I love the guy. But he's not going top 15. Bottom line.

norcalgsr
10-18-2012, 02:33 AM
I don't see anything special from the BYU game.

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princefielder28
10-18-2012, 08:23 AM
norcalgsr, what's there not to be impressed about when it comes to the BYU game? BYU rarely threw in his direction and they clearly had a game plan to avoid him at all costs

norcalgsr
10-18-2012, 01:42 PM
norcalgsr, what's there not to be impressed about when it comes to the BYU game? BYU rarely threw in his direction and they clearly had a game plan to avoid him at all costs

Did BYU avoid him or did Poyer avoid Hoffman? He was mostly either on the left side or on the slot WR JD Falslev. BYU rarely threw at him because he barely lined up against Hoffman. Hoffman is the only future NFL-caliber WR, so I would have liked to see that matchup more often.

princefielder28
10-18-2012, 02:01 PM
Did BYU avoid him or did Poyer avoid Hoffman? He was mostly either on the left side or on the slot WR JD Falslev. BYU rarely threw at him because he barely lined up against Hoffman. Hoffman is the only future NFL-caliber WR, so I would have liked to see that matchup more often.

And that's in Poyer's control how??? you can't evaluate a prospect as having a bad game because the coaching staff had a different idea on how to use him rather than matching him up against the best WR or the WR you wanted him to be up against

y.f.s.
10-18-2012, 02:04 PM
A lot of scouting CBs is just projecting the fluidity and movement skills of the CB and his eye discipline. It's really hard to scout DBs in general because you can only see them for a second or two in the shot.

coach4fu
10-18-2012, 05:10 PM
That is why it is best to watch the NFL tape rather than the television tape. The NFL tape is wider so you can see the whole field during any one play.

gpngc
10-18-2012, 05:15 PM
1) His feet are great. 40s matter for CBs so I wonder what his is.

2) Has he always played LCB? Is the RCB a stud or does the RCB just not tackle?

Matthew Jones
10-20-2012, 02:14 AM
Some of my notes on Poyer:

Jordan Poyer, Oregon St. (511, 190)

2009: 11 tackles

2010: 34 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack, 1 FF, 1 FR, 2 INT (1 TD), 4 PD

2011: 57 tackles, 0.5 TFL, 4 INT (1 TD), 12 PD

2012 (YTD): 15 tackles, 3.0 TFL, 1 sack, 1 FF, 5 INT (1 TD), 4 PD

Has made extensive contributions on special teams: gunner, kick returner, punt returner

Almost always lines up at left cornerback for the Beavers; converted from safety in 2010

Looks a little bit shorter than his listed 60, but has a muscular, compact build

Aggressive in coverage, gets physical with his man and will try to undercut routes

Reacts, breaks on the ball quickly and reads opposing routes well, especially in off coverage

Excellent ball skills to make plays on the ball in the air; soft hands, remembers to look back

Experienced in both press coverage and zone coverage; looks a little bit better in man coverage

Has yet to miss any time due to injury; will enter the draft having played in over 40 games

Misses far too many tackles; active but not powerful, more of a dive-and-swipe tackler

Struggles to shed blocks in the running game; active hand use but can be controlled

Not afraid to mix it up but may have some difficulty covering taller receivers in the NFL

Confidence borders on cockiness and personality may turn off some NFL teams

Grade: Second or third round

Notes: Poyer should be selected in the second or third round: he is a versatile, experienced player with outstanding competitiveness and impressive measurables. His burst, ball skills, and agility all stand out on tape and could earn him a starting job in the NFL. As a rookie, his special teams value as a gunner and return specialist could help him work his way onto the field. Only two factors may negatively impact his draft stock: his tackling and his personality. Poyer is active but ineffective in run support and pre-draft interviews may negatively impact his draft stock.

rawdawg
10-20-2012, 07:45 AM
Some of that stuff is what I like about Poyer. I think he can come in as a rookie and contribute to any team because of his special teams play/experience. And not just returning. I also like that he should have the ability to cover the slot in the nickel early in his career, before perhaps moving to the outside. I think he has elite CB feet, change of direction and closing ability, but he also has the size to not get run circles around him inside.

That's why I like him for the Bears. DJ Moore is a FA, he could take over there next year. Charles Tillman is in his 30s and he and Jennings are FAs after 2013, so Poyer could move to the outside then. Plus, the Bears are always looking for guys who can cover kicks. I think he can be taught to tackle, like Nathan Vasher was as a Bear.

bulldog0123
10-21-2012, 08:10 PM
Nice call PF28. Bulldog, a lot of his highlight tapes include a bunch of big hits, forced fumbles, and closing on receivers before they catch the ball.

Care to elaborate? Is he a hit-or-miss tackler that whiffs at times?

I mean, what you were watching was a highlight reel. What I have seen of him, he just seems really tentative and doesn't give much help in run support.

coach4fu
10-22-2012, 04:26 PM
I mean, what you were watching was a highlight reel. What I have seen of him, he just seems really tentative and doesn't give much help in run support.

I've seen him play several times and really watched his game against Utah and he did a great job vs. the run. Every game I've seen he has been a strong tackler.

wicket
03-08-2013, 03:05 AM
one of the least talked about high profile prospects. looks likely to be a second rounder yet noone really talks about him

villagewarrior
03-08-2013, 03:53 AM
Poyer and Markus Wheaton are both guys that I feel are underrated and will be steals in the league. Maybe Wheaton more so than Poyer, but you know what I mean.

princefielder28
03-08-2013, 06:43 AM
one of the least talked about high profile prospects. looks likely to be a second rounder yet noone really talks about him

I have Poyer as a Top 15 prospect and worth a first round pick...Rhodes gets a ton of attention while Poyer flies under the radar

thetedginnshow
03-08-2013, 09:26 AM
Because of how the Senior Bowl played out, Trufant gets all the love. But I live in Pac-12 country (in WA, actually) and Poyer's always been better. He's a beast. His size worries me a little bit to be playing on the boundary. He just seems to have a small frame. To me, though, he's the second best CB in the class.