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soybean
09-10-2012, 01:27 PM
I think Buffalo should definitely take a qb this upcoming draft. I know they gave Fitzmagic an extension but he was never really that good in the first place. I understand your team is a business but I think you can't always think dollars.

Fitzpatrick kind of reminds me of Marc Bulger. Extremely overrated because they played a few good games.

Also, I think Philly should give Foles 25% of snaps this year to see if they have anything in him and if not, then I would think they SHOULD look into it too.

What teams do you think should go qb and who can you see going where?

SolidGold
09-10-2012, 01:31 PM
Buffalo - Barkley/Wilson
AZ - Bray/Wilson
KC - Wilson
SEA - Not sure but they could invest a first rounder in a QB.

I think Wilson is a real wildcard - right now he can probably go anywhere from the top 10 to the mid-20s.

BuckeyeDan17
09-10-2012, 02:40 PM
Honestly, I think once Weeden is done having one of the worst seasons of all time and we go 2-14, the new Sheriff is going to hit the reset button and bring in new people. I'm reluctant to think Holmgren and Shurmur will be here in '13.

My point is, if we score the #1 or #2 you'd almost have to think we retry for a better quarterback prospect that's younger and better (Barkley if he is indeed the best prospect in April, things could change).

So I'd put CLE on your list as a very strong candidate for a new signal caller.

Raiderz4Life
09-10-2012, 03:17 PM
Oakland should definately look QB with D being second.

I would love one of Wilson(1) or Bray(2)

jrdrylie
09-10-2012, 03:22 PM
Buffalo- Fitzpatrick was having a great season last year. He signed his new contract and he immediately returned to sucking. I don't know if it was because he took the money and ran or if teams started to figure him out. Whichever it is, he is not the QB of the future in Buffalo. I don't think they will be bad enough to get a top QB so I think Landry Jones is the guy.

Cleveland-I wasn't high on Weeden, even when discounting his age. Add in the fact that he is nearing 30, I wouldn't have picked him before the 4th of 5th round. He was absolutely awful yesterday and I don't think he will get much better. If the Browns are smart (a huge if), this will be Weeden's only year as a starting QB in the NFL. I think they end up with the top overall pick and if that is the case, I think they go Tyler Bray.

St. Louis-Most people will balk at this, but I'm not all that high on Bradford. I know, I know. His line sucks, his weapons suck. Well, you could say the same thing about Jay Cutler the last two years and he led the Bears to a 17-8 record those years. If the Rams land another top five pick, they seriously need to consider getting a QB. They will likely be in position to grab Barkley in 2013.

Arizona- Unless Kolb suddenly becomes decent, he'll be cut next year. John Skelton isn't much better. Having guys like Fitzgerald and Floyd is a waste if you don't have a QB. Tyler Wilson is who I see in Arizona next year.

I would add Philadelphia because I doubt Vick is there next season, but if they like Nick Foles, I don't think they'll pick a QB early. Tampa Bay is in the same boat as St. Louis. If they suck, that means Freeman has had one good season and a bunch of crap. I could really see them relpacing him.

soybean
09-10-2012, 03:27 PM
I could see Philly drafting Logan Thomas. Yes, it is because he's black and yes it is because he's athletic.

I know almost all rookie qbs play right away but I think that's just because the teams are so bad. If your team is still a decent team, I think you can afford it. In that sense I would let Logan sit because right now he's more potential than product.

georgiafan
09-10-2012, 03:36 PM
Very Likely
Bills
Chiefs
Browns
Cards

Could Happen
Jets
Raiders
Jags
Eagles
Rams
Seahawks

Long Shot
Dolphins
Titans
49ers
Vikings
Bucs


No Chance
Patriots
Broncos
Chargers
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Colts
Texans
Cowboys
Redskins
Giants
Packers
Lions
Bears
Falcons
Saints
Panthers

soybean
09-10-2012, 03:40 PM
I actually think Texans are a darkhorse team to look into a qb, not that they'd be picking high enough.

Schaub is 31, only played a full season twice.

Why not groom a team that's already superbowl ready?

georgiafan
09-10-2012, 03:45 PM
I actually think Texans are a darkhorse team to look into a qb, not that they'd be picking high enough.

Schaub is 31, only played a full season twice.

Why not groom a team that's already superbowl ready?

They just signed him to a new deal yesterday so I figure that took them out of the potental QB market

soybean
09-10-2012, 03:50 PM
They just signed him to a new deal yesterday so I figure that took them out of the potental QB market

I missed that.

Raiderz4Life
09-10-2012, 03:53 PM
I'm hoping Carson Palmer isn't bad enough for us to be horrendous but also not good enough to get out of QB drafting range.

SickwithIt1010
09-10-2012, 04:06 PM
If the Eagles season tanks, I do not see them passing on a top flight QB prospect because of Nick Foles being there.

SRK85
09-10-2012, 04:09 PM
Browns ofc. I don't know why they wasted a 1st round pick on Weeden to begin with.

descendency
09-10-2012, 06:14 PM
If the Eagles season tanks, I do not see them passing on a top flight QB prospect because of Nick Foles being there.

From what I saw out of Nick Foles, I think he deserves a shot to play over Vick if the Eagles keep playing like crap. He may not be great, but Andy Reid is the master of polishing **** at QB.

Matthew Jones
09-10-2012, 06:41 PM
The teams I can imagine looking at quarterbacks are Arizona, Buffalo, Kansas City, Oakland.

D-Unit
09-10-2012, 07:10 PM
What's the cap penalty if the Bills cut Fitz?

vidae
09-10-2012, 08:02 PM
Kansas City. But then again I've wanted a QB since 2003 and it hasn't happened yet so **** me right?

I would kill for Tyler Wilson or Logan Thomas.

bored of education
09-10-2012, 08:08 PM
Chiefs should draft a Qb early.

Cigaro
09-10-2012, 08:34 PM
Kansas City. But then again I've wanted a QB since 2003 and it hasn't happened yet so **** me right?

I would kill for Tyler Wilson or Logan Thomas.

I can't say I see why. Lots of upside, but has so far not really put it together on the field.

bored of education
09-10-2012, 08:37 PM
I can't say I see why. Lots of upside, but has so far not really put it together on the field.

I hope for Logan's sake he stays one more year.

Raiderz4Life
09-10-2012, 09:08 PM
Kansas City. But then again I've wanted a QB since 2003 and it hasn't happened yet so **** me right?

I would kill for Tyler Wilson or Logan Thomas.

**** you buddy! Wilson will be in silver and black. You can have Bray.

vidae
09-11-2012, 12:32 AM
I'm at a point where I don't care if we draft a worse version of Blaine Gabbert in the first round.. as long as we try. I'm so envious of the Vikings, Jags, Titans, etc. Their QBs might not make it, they might be busts, but they've TRIED.. and that's more than I can say about the Chiefs.

FUNBUNCHER
09-11-2012, 12:35 AM
I still think there isn't a hair's difference in tools or ability between Andy Dalton and Matt Barkley. He's still probably going to be the first QB taken but I doubt he'll be the best signal caller from the 2013 class.

IMO Wilson/Bray/Geno Smith are the top three QBs in this class, including Barkley.

If the Browns take Barkley I think they're going to be disappointed in three years.

The Cards/Browns/Bills/Cards are the only teams I see actively shopping for a QB in the top 10 as an urgent need.

TonyGfortheTD
09-11-2012, 12:53 AM
Chiefs should draft a Qb early.
But won't.

"Cassel just needs more time...and weapons!@1"

descendency
09-11-2012, 12:58 AM
Chiefs should draft a Qb early.

But he's about the same age as Brandon Weeden! They just need to get him some weapons.

onejayhawk
09-11-2012, 06:19 AM
Honestly, I think once Weeden is done having one of the worst seasons of all time and we go 2-14, the new Sheriff is going to hit the reset button and bring in new people. I'm reluctant to think Holmgren and Shurmur will be here in '13.

My point is, if we score the #1 or #2 you'd almost have to think we retry for a better quarterback prospect that's younger and better (Barkley if he is indeed the best prospect in April, things could change).

So I'd put CLE on your list as a very strong candidate for a new signal caller.

Weeden is going to have a rough season, but he is a keeper. Timing and rhythm take time to develop.

Seattle is set at QB for the near future. Wilson may never be Brees, but he can play in this league. Plus he has an arm that ranks well up in the list.

J

T-RICH49
09-11-2012, 10:04 AM
Kansas City. But then again I've wanted a QB since 2003 and it hasn't happened yet so **** me right?

I would kill for Tyler Wilson or Logan Thomas.

THIS (10 char)

KaneMarko
09-11-2012, 10:23 AM
Chiefs should draft a Qb early.

Totally agree. But Pioli won't. He's head over heels in love with Cassel. Pioli is more likely to spend another first round pick on another defensive lineman than a QB.

georgiafan
09-11-2012, 10:26 AM
Weeden is going to have a rough season, but he is a keeper. Timing and rhythm take time to develop.

Seattle is set at QB for the near future. Wilson may never be Brees, but he can play in this league. Plus he has an arm that ranks well up in the list.

J

but how much longer will Pete Carroll and whoever the gm is be around?

KaneMarko
09-11-2012, 10:31 AM
I'm at a point where I don't care if we draft a worse version of Blaine Gabbert in the first round.. as long as we try. I'm so envious of the Vikings, Jags, Titans, etc. Their QBs might not make it, they might be busts, but they've TRIED.. and that's more than I can say about the Chiefs.

That's what frustrates me most about the Chiefs. They are more than willing to throw high pick after high pick after high pick at the defensive line and such. But, minus Todd Blackledge, they seem allergic to even consider drafting a QB high in the draft. They seem content to relying on backups from other teams to fill that spot. And with the exception of going way back to 1970, that has NEVER worked for this team. And there is very little evidence that it ever will.

I just want them to TRY it. If they draft a QB in the first round and he's a bust, least you can say they tried. They aren't even willing to try. Why are they ok drafting guys like Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Dontari Poe, Eddie Freeman, Tyson Jackson, etc, but the thought of drafting say a Josh Freeman, or maybe trying to move up two spots and getting Matt Stafford, etc is so taboo? Question, if Detroit came to you back in 09 and essentially said they'd give you Matt Stafford for Tyson Jackson, Eric Berry, Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster, would you make that trade?

Halsey
09-11-2012, 10:41 AM
Totally agree. But Pioli won't. He's head over heels in love with Cassel. Pioli is more likely to spend another first round pick on another defensive lineman than a QB.

Pioli likes having a job too. He's going to be forced to try to upgrade at QB if Cassel doesn't start playing better.

KaneMarko
09-11-2012, 10:47 AM
Pioli likes having a job too. He's going to be forced to try to upgrade at QB if Cassel doesn't start playing better.

Time will tell. But I'm not overly optimistic that he ever will. I think he'll have Crennel fall on his sword before Cassel. But, we'll see. Hope I'm wrong.

Raiderz4Life
09-11-2012, 11:32 AM
Weeden is going to have a rough season, but he is a keeper. Timing and rhythm take time to develop.

Seattle is set at QB for the near future. Wilson may never be Brees, but he can play in this league. Plus he has an arm that ranks well up in the list.

J

Man its a good thing you're not a pro talent evaluator lol

BuckeyeDan17
09-11-2012, 11:53 AM
Weeden is going to have a rough season, but he is a keeper. Timing and rhythm take time to develop.

Seattle is set at QB for the near future. Wilson may never be Brees, but he can play in this league. Plus he has an arm that ranks well up in the list.

J

Not sure if serious. He didn't just struggle - he was historically awful. And as far as time goes, he has none, espcially with Holmgren's donut loving fat ass being dimissed next month. This **** was over before it really started.

I haven't watched much of Barkley, Bray, Wilson or Thomas so someone needs to tell me who I should want the most :D

Grizzlegom
09-11-2012, 11:54 AM
I'm at a point where I don't care if we draft a worse version of Blaine Gabbert in the first round.. as long as we try. I'm so envious of the Vikings, Jags, Titans, etc. Their QBs might not make it, they might be busts, but they've TRIED.. and that's more than I can say about the Chiefs.

I feel ya here. I was saying the same thing with Miami for the longest time. All the retreads and 2nd round QBs were getting old, they HAD to take Tannehill. If he busts, so be it, but I'll be happy that we finally took a shot on someone.

katnip
09-11-2012, 12:13 PM
Chiefs should draft a Qb early.

Geno Smith.. Would he fit them?

vidae
09-11-2012, 12:14 PM
I love Geno. I would be ecstatic if we took him.

Raiderz4Life
09-11-2012, 12:14 PM
Not sure if serious. He didn't just struggle - he was historically awful. And as far as time goes, he has none, espcially with Holmgren's donut loving fat ass being dimissed next month. This **** was over before it really started.

I haven't watched much of Barkley, Bray, Wilson or Thomas so someone needs to tell me who I should want the most :D

Bray, Wilson, Thomas and Smith have more upside than Barkley but Barkley is pretty polished. His tools are good enough and he'll be a good QB.

BuckeyeDan17
09-11-2012, 12:44 PM
Bray, Wilson, Thomas and Smith have more upside than Barkley but Barkley is pretty polished. His tools are good enough and he'll be a good QB.

From what little I've seen of MB I dig his pocket presence and the fact he doesn't stare down his receivers, at least at the college level it seems. Moreover, I'm not sure what to make of his arm strength. Tennesee and Florida go head-to-head Saturday so I'll have to make an effort to watch that game.

If you had to select from that group right now who do you take?

vidae
09-11-2012, 12:47 PM
I think Barkley is the clear #1 right now, but I'm a huge fan of Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. But then again I'd take anyone, so.

georgiafan
09-11-2012, 12:49 PM
I could see Tyler Wilsons stock taking a hit he is expected to miss about a month and he no longer has pretino has his coach. I would also go Barkley he has the least ? around him

Raiderz4Life
09-11-2012, 12:56 PM
I would go with Barkley at this point too.

BuckeyeDan17
09-11-2012, 01:05 PM
I did a forum search and what you guys said appears to be consensus - although there are of course, the doubters that don't seem to like his height. Can't remember what the other criticism was. Others said Bray was a moron and others don't seem hot for Wilson because of Petrino track record even though he won't be coached by him this year.

I'll be watching these guys closely from here on out, what I am most curious to see is who can translate to this AFC North: i.e who not necessarily is now, but COULD be good under consistent duress and has the arm strength to play well in divisional games late in the season (prevelant cold weather in this division). Watching colt try to throw spirals in the winter was painful.

I'm involved with these types of discussions now frequently because I witnessed an abortion Sunday against the eagles and I don't see things getting better given our schedule ahead. Finally, with Haslem coming to town we can expect a bit of an overhaul. Shurmur and his ginger QB will probably be gone and it's time to shop around.

Brown Leader
09-11-2012, 01:16 PM
Quick comparisons...

Barkley - Drew Brees
Wilson - Tony Romo
Thomas - Josh Freeman
Bray - Joe Flacco
Gino Smith - RG3

bored of education
09-11-2012, 06:44 PM
The Chiefs NEED to draft a QB.

Watch out for Graham Wilbert!

Well not really, but he is going vs. Georgia this weekend.

bored of education
09-11-2012, 06:47 PM
But it's all about Pachall.

bucfan12
09-12-2012, 09:09 AM
Bray and Wilson may have the most upside but Barkley is the more pro-ready. I wouldn't say he's an elite prospect. Honestly I have a hard time finding one in this class. Barkley is more developed as he's been a starter since day one. He's more pro ready and will step in as the starter from day one. That's why I think he's going to be the pick.

Wilson is very intriguing. His injury will set him back but I like him a lot and his upside is much better than barkleys. He's pretty accurate in the intermediate game and I liken his style to Rivers. He's got that somewhat of a side arm release but the tools are there. Just need to be tweaked a d developed.

Bray and Thomas are the riskiest picks IMO. Hit or miss who I wouldn't touch with a top 20 pick. Thomas is someone who I wouldn't touch til rd 3. He's got so much to work on. He doesn't eve draw the comparisons to cam newton or josh freeman. They only share the same build and size and arm strength. Terrible pocket presence. Not very accurate and doesn't come from an offense that requires reads and throws of an nfl caliber qb.

Bray is a guy that can develop into a top 15 starter but also become a huge flop. He's fragile and needs to add some bulk. That's easier part. Staying healthy and not performing in big games is something I'm watching closely. Right now he's all upside but hasn't proven a 1st round grade to me. As the season progrsses I'll get a better understanding bc he's got weapons around him in Knoxville.

villagewarrior
09-12-2012, 01:10 PM
Totally agree. But Pioli won't. He's head over heels in love with Cassel. Pioli is more likely to spend another first round pick on another defensive lineman than a QB.

I wouldn't be opposed to another defensive linemen IF the Chiefs had a QB on the roster. I like Tyler Wilson and Geno Smith the most and I hope one is available for the Chiefs.

KaneMarko
09-12-2012, 08:19 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to another defensive linemen IF the Chiefs had a QB on the roster. I like Tyler Wilson and Geno Smith the most and I hope one is available for the Chiefs.

I'm a huge fan of strong defenses. Moreso than offenses. And there was a time not too long ago that I wanted this team, practically every year, to draft a defensive lineman. However, I've kinda changed my tune over the past couple years after seeing so many of our highly drafted defensive linemen either be busts or mediocre. IDK, IMO, it may be time for the Chiefs to lay off spending high picks on defensive linemen for a while. And if this year ends up being a bad or even a mediocre season, perhaps do something they haven't even attempted to do since Todd Blackledge. JMO.

I'll defend Matt Cassel from the standpoint that he's not a bad QB. Just based on his 4+ years starting, I'm just not sure he's ever going to be good enough to lead us to where we want to go. And if it doesn't happen this year, it may be time to start a TRUE search for that guy. And not just pick up another teams' backup like this organization has always done.

holt_bruce81
09-12-2012, 08:56 PM
Rams looking at a quarterback is very unlikely. Fisher has repeatedly said that Sam Bradford is the main reason he chose St. Louis over Miami.

onejayhawk
09-13-2012, 05:42 AM
good thing he has so many years to develop them. oh... right.

He does, not that it matters. People look at his age and do not understand he has most of a decade in the NFL ahead of him. People have made a lot of the arm injury, but QBs retire to avoid concussions.

In any event, one year will make a big difference.

J

bucfan12
09-13-2012, 05:49 AM
Rams looking at a quarterback is very unlikely. Fisher has repeatedly said that Sam Bradford is the main reason he chose St. Louis over Miami.

Um I think there were many other reasons he voided Miami.

I think if they put a strong team around Bradford he can be decent. There was nothing that jumped out at me on tape in college. When he got hurt Landry Jones immediately filled in with similar production. I just don't see his ceiling as high as elite.