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Brown Leader
09-11-2012, 01:04 PM
UPDATED - 9/30

1. Jacksonville Jaguars - Barkevious Mingo*/DE/ LSU:
Just a lot of pure potential here but Mingo has the ability to put up a solid season then blow everybody away with his physical testing post season.

2. Oakland Raiders – Geno Smith /QB/ West Virginia:
Smith is basically this season's RG3. His physical skills aren't on Griffin's level and his arm talent is not much more than Barkley's, but he makes up for it with an incredible drive and work ethic.

3. Cleveland Browns – Keenan Allen* /WR/ California:
Dez Bryant caliber talent without the off field baggage. Browns may have just spent a supplemental on Gordon but that move looks very questionable now. My early take on "Flash" is that he's not looking anywhere close to a #1 WR. -try Michael Jenkins pt 2. Little remains a project probably better suited as a situational RB/WR and Massaqoui is surely one of the softest WRs in the league and his contract is up.

4. Kansas City Chiefs – Tyler Wilson /QB/ Arkansas:
Who didn't watch Wilson go off on his squad the other week for quitting and not come away impressed? This guy is like Tony Romo with fire. His mobility, arm strength, knack for producing under heavy pressure and ability to fit it into tight windows puts him over Geno for me.

5. New Orleans Saints – Star Lotulelei /DT/ Utah:
Saints also may need a LT to protect Brees but their top priority is probably going to be to rebuild their defense. If they get a shot at Star they can't pass.

6. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Matt Barkley /QB/ USC:
Barkley has his critics but he looks a lot like Drew Brees at times. Realistically, I'd say he's something between a Brees and a lesser Matt Ryan. That's a far cry from a big armed athletic type like Freeman but Schaino might be looking for a better game manager. It's fairly quick to move on from Freeman but you get the sense that Schiano is not the patient type.

7. Miami - Robert Woods* /WR/ USC :
They may trade down but the Fins should end up with either Allen or Woods unless they have a shot at Mingo or another stud DE.

8. Indianapolis Colts – John Hankins* /DT/ Ohio State:
Hankins is almost as perfect a scheme fit for the Colts as Star.

9. New York Jets - Jarvis Jones /OLB/ Georgia:
Jones is the prototypical 34 OLB but he' doesn't look like the greatest athlete to me. His numbers are eye popping but he's a little bit of an overachiever type. He's like a smaller Tambi Hali. I'd like to put Logan Thomas here but I'm not sure a raw QB is what Rex needs right now, although he IS basically a combination of Sanchez and Tebow.

10. Carolina Panthers - Oday Aboushi /OT/ Virginia:
Is it finally time to move Gross back over? Oday makes it look effortless. Great athletic ability and attitude for the position. Needs only a strong position coach to clean up his technique.

11. St. Louis Rams (WAS) - Luke Joeckel* /OT/ Texas A&M:
How the Rams are getting by starting Hunter at LT?

12. St. Louis Rams - T.J. McDonald /S/ USC::
With Reid's stock dropping, T.J. becomes the top safety.

13. Minnesota Vikings - Manti Te'o /LB/ Notre Dame:
Vikings could use a new centerpiece for the defense.

14. Philadelphia Eagles – E.J. Manuel /QB/ Florida State:
Not a huge fan of Manuel but his making progress and it's impossible to ignore his skill set.

15. Seattle Seahawks - Justin Hunter* /WR/Tennessee:
The next Malcolm Floyd? :)

16. Arizona Cardinals - Taylor Lewan /OT/ Michigan:
I'm sensing the Cards might trade back into the first to hit their top two needs, QB and Oline. ( L.Jones?)

17. Tennessee Titans - Damontre Moore* /DE/ Texas A&M:
Moore really stands out on that bad A&M defense and could have a big season.

18. Cincinnati Bengals - Kenny Vaccaro /S/ Texas:
Vaccaro is overrated imo but Jeromy Miles?

19. Detroit Lions - Jonathan Banks /CB/ Miss. State:
Smh Lion defense.

20. Dallas Cowboys - Chance Warmack /OG/ Alabama:
Unless they spend money in FA, the Cowboys have to look again at the Oline.

21. San Diego Chargers – Brennan Williams /OT/ North Carolina:
Chargers have gone defense in the 1st in 4 of the last 5 drafts.

22. Pittsburgh Steelers - Le'Veon Bell* /RB/Michigan State:
Perfect fit......sadly.

23. Denver Broncos -Xavier Rhodes /CB/ Florida State:
There's a bunch of quality RBs if the Broncos want to go that route but Champ can't play forever.

24. Chicago Bears - Johnathan Cooper /OG/ North Carolina:
Can Chicago go anywhere but Oline high THIS year?

25. San Francisco 49ers - Jesse Williams/DE/Alabama:
Gets a shot this year at the nose but with his impressive movement skills he makes a good he's a 34 DE.

26. Buffalo Bills – Stedman Bailey* /WR/ West Virginia:
Outplayed elite talent Claiborne imo last season and could blow up, Kendall Wright style this year. Tavon Austin is getting the pub but this guy is the teams’ best WR. Don't worry about the QB need, there's always Collin Klein in the 2nd.

27. Green Bay Packers - Joseph Randle /RB/ Oklahoma St.:
Quietly stepped up his game in the absence of Weeden and Blackmon. A complete back who should contend to be the first RB selected.

28. Baltimore Ravens – Corey Lemonier /DE-OLB/ Auburn:
Keeps improving. Injury prone but continues to produce.

29. Atlanta Falcons - Sam Montgomery /DE/ LSU:
Finally.

30. New England Patriots - Barrett Jones /OG/ Alabama:
Will become more valuable because of his versatility.

31. Houston Texans – David Amerson /S/ NC State:
Exposed at CB and might now be the #2 safety.

32. New York Giants – Ricky Wagner /OT/Wisconsin:
Plug and play OT.

Xiomera
09-11-2012, 01:11 PM
The Lions pick only makes sense if Cliff Avril isn't retained (which is possible). They really, really need help in their back seven on defense.

Brown Leader
09-11-2012, 01:37 PM
The Lions pick only makes sense if Cliff Avril isn't retained (which is possible). They really, really need help in their back seven on defense.

I should probably include Dee Milliner in here.

Razor
09-11-2012, 02:06 PM
I don't see us taking Bailey over Barrett Jones even though WR is a big need.

vidae
09-11-2012, 02:09 PM
OLB isn't a need for KC. If we pass on Geno Smith for a linebacker I'm going to burn Arrowhead to the ground.

Brown Leader
09-11-2012, 02:15 PM
OLB isn't a need for KC. If we pass on Geno Smith for a linebacker I'm going to burn Arrowhead to the ground.

Yes. That wasn't right fixed. :P

tjsunstein
09-11-2012, 02:51 PM
As much as Id love a RB, our offense doesnt need to invest in a 1st rounder in one to win. We need to continue to infuse our defense with talent at every level.

Raiderz4Life
09-11-2012, 02:54 PM
I'd be so stoked with Wilson. I think he's just what we need, would be OK with Bray too but Wilson the one I wan't. Just don't sour it by saying he's like Tony Romo.

Don Vito
09-11-2012, 03:14 PM
I don't see us taking Bailey over Barrett Jones even though WR is a big need.

This. Bailey is dynamic and could be a stud here, but we need some more beef on the offensive line and everything about Barrett jones looks like a fit for us.

Pat Sims 90
09-11-2012, 04:46 PM
Yes please McDonald would be a major upgrade over what the Bengals have.

Legacy
09-11-2012, 05:18 PM
11. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - John Hankins* /DT/ Ohio State:
Schiano's new defense scheme emphasizes stopping the run.

Can't disagree with the analysis, but a 1st round defensive tackle would mean that the Bucs have selected 5 defensive linemen in the top 2 rounds of the past 4 drafts.

Depth is an issue on the defensive line (and across the entire roster, to be honest), so I wouldn't be upset with the selection of a DT despite the fact that I think a RT, OLB (to replace Quincy Black) and a FS (to replace Barber if/when he retires) are much more pressing needs.

SickwithIt1010
09-11-2012, 05:42 PM
I dont understand the Rams pick. They have Finnegan, and they took Jenkins and Johnson in the 2nd round this year, so????

Brown Leader
09-11-2012, 05:46 PM
I dont understand the Rams pick. They have Finnegan, and they took Jenkins and Johnson in the 2nd round this year, so????

meh, good point.

Bengals78
09-11-2012, 05:49 PM
Id consider Jarvis Jones just because he is so beastly.
You gave a good pick for us. But any of these would be acceptable for future references.

15. Kansas City Chiefs - Jarvis Jones* /OLB/ Georgia:

16. Seattle Seahawks - Robert Woods* /WR/ USC:

19.Green Bay Packers - Le'Veon Bell* /RB/Michigan State:

21. Tennessee Titans - Sam Montgomery*/DE/ LSU:

22. Pittsburgh Steelers - Manti Te'o /LB/ Notre Dame:

26. Buffalo Bills – Jason Hunter* /WR/Tennessee:

27. Detroit Lions - Bjoern Werner /DE/Florida State:

31. Houston Texans – Jesse Williams/NT/Alabama:

32. New York Giants – Barrett Jones /OG/ Alabama:

T-RICH49
09-11-2012, 05:57 PM
I should probably include Dee Milliner in here.

you hate the Chiefs don't you?

bored of education
09-11-2012, 07:04 PM
Jarvis Jones would be a part time player sitting behind the beast that is Justin Houston.

Brown Leader
09-11-2012, 09:09 PM
Jarvis Jones would be a part time player sitting behind the beast that is Justin Houston.

I don't see Houston on par with Jones at all. And Jones could play multiple positions. Besides QB what do you think will be the teams top need after the season?

vidae
09-11-2012, 09:17 PM
ILB, maybe WR, but QB is really the #1.

bored of education
09-11-2012, 09:47 PM
I don't see Houston on par with Jones at all. And Jones could play multiple positions. Besides QB what do you think will be the teams top need after the season?

Houston is a much better player right now than Jones would be as a rookie. QB, ILB, CB, S. Jones might be able to be a beast but to be an OLB opposite Hali you must be able to cover, set the edge, take on blockers, shed blocks and pass rush. Jones is a beast but does not display the ability to do all that just yet

D-Unit
09-11-2012, 09:48 PM
Cooper to the Cowboys? You've been checking out the Cowboys forum haven't cha? LOL. JK I dunno. That's a pick I like at this point in time too.

bored of education
09-11-2012, 09:51 PM
Cooper to the Cowboys? You've been checking out the Cowboys forum haven't cha? LOL. JK I dunno. That's a pick I like at this point in time too.

I like that pick and a guy like Dallas Thomas would be a beast for you guys. Can play RT or G, might be better suited at G for you guys

fenikz
09-11-2012, 11:32 PM
undefeated team picking top 3 is interesting :D

saintsfan912
09-11-2012, 11:35 PM
A. Saints won't be picking at 6 lol.
B. Eric Reid all day if he's there.

JPF
09-12-2012, 07:46 AM
Would prefer RT or DT for the Panthers but with how you have the board falling Amerson is a good fit. CB & FS are definitely spots that need upgrades.

Cigaro
09-12-2012, 09:37 AM
I would probably rather take Luke Joeckel, he is a guy who I rate highly and can play either side, meaning he could take over for Gross in a few years. But Amerson is acceptable as well. Would probably want him at safety and not corner, but we need help there as well.

CashmoneyDrew
09-12-2012, 09:56 AM
Justin* Hunter. And I don't really see the Stevie Johnson comparison.

JPF
09-12-2012, 10:53 AM
I would probably rather take Luke Joeckel, he is a guy who I rate highly and can play either side, meaning he could take over for Gross in a few years. But Amerson is acceptable as well. Would probably want him at safety and not corner, but we need help there as well.

Yea, I was going off how he has his board falling. When I look at someone else's mocks I try to base it on what they have. He has Joeckel considerably lower than the range the Panthers are picking so by his board, it would appear Joeckel to be a reach at that point.

TitanHope
09-12-2012, 10:59 AM
DE, S, and OG/C are our greatest needs, so Sam Montgomery is a good choice.

And I'm with Drew on the Hunter/Johnson comparison. Personally, I see Hunter more like Sidney Rice.

Brown Leader
09-12-2012, 11:49 AM
DE, S, and OG/C are our greatest needs, so Sam Montgomery is a good choice.

And I'm with Drew on the Hunter/Johnson comparison. Personally, I see Hunter more like Sidney Rice.

Justin Hunter. Thank you Drew. Stevie's listed at 6'2 but I always figured he was taller then that. Johnson looks like a taller, angular guy with the quickness and feet of a smaller guy, and that's kinda what Hunter is. But yeah, Hunter's much taller and not really as quick. Rice is better. I'll go again and say Malcolm Floyd with better yac potential.

gpngc
09-12-2012, 11:55 AM
McDonald is much better than Taylor Mays.

villagewarrior
09-12-2012, 01:18 PM
I don't see Houston on par with Jones at all. And Jones could play multiple positions. Besides QB what do you think will be the teams top need after the season?

Completely agree with you here and if the Chiefs can't land a QB Jarvis Jones would be a heck of a consolation prize. The Chiefs next biggest need after QB would be any player that upgrades the pass defense.

Also, its easy to like anything a team with 2 top 10 picks does but the Rams landing Eric Reid and John Hankins is sick.

ArkyRamsFan
09-12-2012, 02:17 PM
Also, its easy to like anything a team with 2 top 10 picks does but the Rams landing Eric Reid and John Hankins is sick.

I can definitely see us taking Reid but I don't know much at all about Hankins. I have heard a lot about Star Lotulei; how does Hankins skill set match with the Star man?

Brown Leader
09-12-2012, 02:44 PM
I can definitely see us taking Reid but I don't know much at all about Hankins. I have heard a lot about Star Lotulei; how does Hankins skill set match with the Star man?

I haven't seen him yet this season but last year Hankins lined up at DE and DT on a 4 man front because he's got uncommon athletic ability for a big sloppy guy. That's Lotulei's game as well, uncommon athletic ability for such a massive man. Star is the better athlete though I'd say.

prock
09-12-2012, 04:16 PM
Love Star for Minny. Other needs will be WR, LB, and probably CB. Star or Woods would be the top two options there.

ArkyRamsFan
09-12-2012, 04:17 PM
I haven't seen him yet this season but last year Hankins lined up at DE and DT on a 4 man front because he's got uncommon athletic ability for a big sloppy guy. That's Lotulei's game as well, uncommon athletic ability for such a massive man. Star is the better athlete though I'd say.

Thanx for your response. I do agree with you that it is very possible that Fish would take another D tackle in the first even though we took one (Brockers) this year.

When you run a 4 - 3 you can never have enough high quality D linemen. I am hoping though that Fish breaks his trend of NEVER drafting an O lineman in the first round. He simply MUST get our O line fixed or Brads will be permanently damaged.

:facepalm:

villagewarrior
09-12-2012, 08:06 PM
I can definitely see us taking Reid but I don't know much at all about Hankins. I have heard a lot about Star Lotulei; how does Hankins skill set match with the Star man?

Based on the limited bit I've seen of Lotulelei and Hankins, they are what everyone is hoping Dontari Poe can become. Hankins I think is more refined as a pass rusher. I would take both over Poe as they have both been able to put it together on the field and be consistent.

Brown Leader
09-14-2012, 12:30 AM
I'd be so stoked with Wilson. I think he's just what we need, would be OK with Bray too but Wilson the one I wan't. Just don't sour it by saying he's like Tony Romo.
Unwarranted Romo hate;

A. Saints won't be picking at 6 lol.
B. Eric Reid all day if he's there.
Laugh now...

coordinator0
09-14-2012, 04:45 PM
Upshaw is the replacement for Johnson, not Suggs.

Robcards
09-17-2012, 01:48 PM
17. New York Jets - Brennan Williams /OT/ North Carolina:
Jets most needy position-Oline.



Pick 17 on a RT? Are you nuts? If the Jets don't draft an OLB in the 1st round next year with the projected crop of:

Jarvis Jones
Barkevious Mingo
Sam Montgomery
Jackson Jeffcoat
Sean Porter
Demontre Moore
Devin Taylor

the list goes on, such a good pass rushing class, RT is not our 1st round pick it can be gotten in the 2nd or 3rd.

Brown Leader
09-18-2012, 02:57 PM
Pick 17 on a RT? Are you nuts? If the Jets don't draft an OLB in the 1st round next year with the projected crop of:

Jarvis Jones
Barkevious Mingo
Sam Montgomery
Jackson Jeffcoat
Sean Porter
Demontre Moore
Devin Taylor

the list goes on, such a good pass rushing class, RT is not our 1st round pick it can be gotten in the 2nd or 3rd.

Exactly. Such a good pass rushing class that they can get a blue chip guy after the 1st. Bolded guys you mentioned plus, Okafor, Buchanon, Jonathan Brown, Chase Thomas. And a sleeper guy to look out for is Trevardo Williams.

jared3
09-19-2012, 09:02 PM
I doubt LB Jarvis Jones falls out of the top 10

Robcards
09-19-2012, 10:03 PM
Exactly. Such a good pass rushing class that they can get a blue chip guy after the 1st. Bolded guys you mentioned plus, Okafor, Buchanon, Jonathan Brown, Chase Thomas. And a sleeper guy to look out for is Trevardo Williams.

And there arent a ton of RTs they can get later in the draft? Not buying it, they likely go bdpa again next year like they did this year with the exception of the front 3 where Coples Ellis Wilkerson look to be a lock as our defensive front of the future, and ilb as well with Harris and Demario Davis. That leaves secondary and olb. Also RB is a strong possibility if someone like Lattimore or Bell is there and they like them a lot.

thebow305
09-20-2012, 01:29 AM
Allen definitely works for me!

Brown Leader
09-20-2012, 11:46 AM
Allen definitely works for me!

eh, changing that I think. Browns will target him now, especially if Weeden shows more flashes of greatness. In that case I'd go Mingo for the Fins.

Robcards
09-20-2012, 01:54 PM
eh, changing that I think. Browns will target him now, especially if Weeden shows more flashes of greatness. In that case I'd go Mingo for the Fins.

D Line is one of the Dolphins strengths (Wake and Odrick are the DEs), they even drafted a 3rd rounder this past year to serve as a rotational pass rusher in Olivier Vernon. Highly doubt they draft another DE in the 1st round in 2013, as much as I am against needs drafting in the 1st round, they absolutely need to take a WR. Browns are less likely to go WR since Little is a 2nd year guy and Gordon is a 1st year guy and they used high picks to get them, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to go WR early again.

PS- Just saw you have Arizona at #2 in your mock, it's kind of hard to end up with the #2 pick when you start out 2-0 especially when you play in the NFC West, they're looking like another 8-8 season in the works.

Brown Leader
09-21-2012, 12:52 PM
D Line is one of the Dolphins strengths (Wake and Odrick are the DEs), they even drafted a 3rd rounder this past year to serve as a rotational pass rusher in Olivier Vernon. Highly doubt they draft another DE in the 1st round in 2013, as much as I am against needs drafting in the 1st round, they absolutely need to take a WR. Browns are less likely to go WR since Little is a 2nd year guy and Gordon is a 1st year guy and they used high picks to get them, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to go WR early again.

PS- Just saw you have Arizona at #2 in your mock, it's kind of hard to end up with the #2 pick when you start out 2-0 especially when you play in the NFC West, they're looking like another 8-8 season in the works.

34 DE Odrick? Over Mingo for your 43? Ok. I agree the Browns probably won't address WR again early but the fan in me knows they should. I didn't include any trade in here but you know there will be plenty of movement. I'm not buying the Cards at all.

Made some changes FAI.

McDonald is much better than Taylor Mays.

Yea, I didn't mean it as comparison but that Mays shouldn't be your starter.

Bengals78
09-21-2012, 12:56 PM
Yea, I didn't mean it as comparison but that Mays shouldn't be your starter.

He isn't anymore!
Yay!

But yeah, DE and S are the biggest needs for Cincy. I think the Mays experiment may be over.

Robcards
09-21-2012, 05:26 PM
34 DE Odrick? Over Mingo for your 43? Ok. I agree the Browns probably won't address WR again early but the fan in me knows they should. I didn't include any trade in here but you know there will be plenty of movement. I'm not buying the Cards at all.

Made some changes FAI.



Yea, I didn't mean it as comparison but that Mays shouldn't be your starter.

Some of the best 43 DEs are oversized, not really a good argument. Red Bryant the LE for the Seahawks is like 320lbs. Although, DT might become a need for them as Starks is in his contract year. Also Mingo is much better suited as a 3-4 olb, or a team like the Browns that have massive DTs and smaller DEs

Brown Leader
09-22-2012, 10:17 AM
Some of the best 43 DEs are oversized, not really a good argument. Red Bryant the LE for the Seahawks is like 320lbs. Although, DT might become a need for them as Starks is in his contract year. Also Mingo is much better suited as a 3-4 olb, or a team like the Browns that have massive DTs and smaller DEs

Uh-huh, but we're talking about Jared Odrick vs Barkevious Mingo. :/

I didn't realize that about Starks though. Course, they could always move Odrick inside. Idk about Mingo, as far as which scheme he fits best. He's reminds a bit of JPP-it's all untapped athletic ability. He's listed 6'5 240 but there's no doubt he'll get bigger as a pro. Browns fans are already on him based on his name alone-but we are paying Frostee to be a full time DE, so I'm not sure we'll look there.

Robcards
09-22-2012, 12:30 PM
Frostee Rucker has got to be one of the worst starting DEs in the league though. And the direction the nfl is going you need more than 2 pass rushers anyway.

scottyboy
09-22-2012, 02:55 PM
can jones play OT?

Brown Leader
09-24-2012, 10:23 AM
can jones play OT?

Changed it to Wagner. Jones will probably be gone anyway if the Giants go deep or repeat.

scottyboy
09-24-2012, 10:36 AM
Changed it to Wagner. Jones will probably be gone anyway if the Giants go deep or repeat.

fine with me. Plug and play OT from a school with a history of producing OL? Yeah, sign me up