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descendency
09-15-2012, 08:25 PM
Tenn QB has a low delivery(like Tebow) but I don't hear anyone complaining #haters

https://twitter.com/mikepeterson53/status/247135112578363392

@roddywhiteTV it's the same low/slow delivery.

https://twitter.com/mikepeterson53/status/247138425008951297

Do you hear that? It's the internet imploding.

CashmoneyDrew
09-15-2012, 08:32 PM
His release is anything but slow. It is a bit side-armed though.

killa3312
09-15-2012, 08:41 PM
He's really, really overrated. He quit out there today when the going got tough. It was quite embarrassing, actually.

Scott Wright
09-15-2012, 08:45 PM
I am a little concerned about Bray's delivery as well.

Then I just watch Philip Rivers and I am less concerned.

Raiderz4Life
09-15-2012, 08:49 PM
He's really, really overrated. He quit out there today when the going got tough. It was quite embarrassing, actually.

I don't think so. He's rated about right. Kid with massive potential but a lot of question marks.

killa3312
09-15-2012, 08:51 PM
I am a little concerned about Bray's delivery as well.

Then I just watch Philip Rivers and I am less concerned.

I'd be less concerned about his motion and more concerned about his head. Kid is a headcase.

descendency
09-15-2012, 10:30 PM
He's definitely taken a fall on many boards since his impressive freshman season.

BigBanger
09-15-2012, 11:41 PM
I am a little concerned about Bray's delivery as well.

Then I just watch Philip Rivers and I am less concerned.

:facepalm:


This is the second draft related thread I have looked at. Comments like this... :facepalm:

Scott Wright
09-15-2012, 11:42 PM
:facepalm:


This is the second draft related thread I have looked at. Comments like this... :facepalm:

What? No Good? :o)

BigBanger
09-15-2012, 11:47 PM
What? No Good? :o)

Rivers has nothing to do with it. Nothing.

Maybe I've lost touch over the last couple years, this year more than ever, but I can't stand comments like these. It's a waste of time.


1) I liked Rivers more than any QB prospect I have ever seen.

2) Rivers was a great college QB and about as decorated as it gets.

3) Bray looks like he just flat out sucks.

4) Like I said, they have nothing to do with one another.

5) I can say, "Yeah, his throwing motion worries me. So I dusted off some old tape of Andre Woodson..."

EDIT: The QB from Kentucky with Matt Ryan & Brian Brohm... Can't remember if his first name was Andre.

Raiderz4Life
09-15-2012, 11:51 PM
You completely missed that point. But that's Ok I guess.

BigBanger
09-16-2012, 12:03 AM
You completely missed that point. But that's Ok I guess.

What? That every QB with a funky delivery is the next Philip Rivers?

And the white pass rushing DE from FSU is the Jared Allen clone.

No, I think I got it. Like, I said, this was the second draft related thread I've looked at. I see the same comparisons. Everyone is a future star player. I know the deal.

soybean
09-16-2012, 12:03 AM
Rivers has nothing to do with it. Nothing.

Maybe I've lost touch over the last couple years, this year more than ever, but I can't stand comments like these. It's a waste of time.


1) I liked Rivers more than any QB prospect I have ever seen.

2) Rivers was a great college QB and about as decorated as it gets.

3) Bray looks like he just flat out sucks.

4) Like I said, they have nothing to do with one another.

5) I can say, "Yeah, his throwing motion worries me. So I dusted off some old tape of Andre Woodson..."

EDIT: The QB from Kentucky with Matt Ryan & Brian Brohm... Can't remember if his first name was Andre.

Woodson.

Also, the entire thread is SOLELY about his throwing motion not him as a prospect or anything. The comparison started and stopped with how they both have unorthodox throwing motions.

Vikes99ej
09-16-2012, 12:04 AM
If Ryan Tannehill can go in the first round then so can Tyler Bray.

BigBanger
09-16-2012, 12:06 AM
If Ryan Tannehill can go in the first round then so can Tyler Bray.

Hahaha. Ball breaker.

That was funny.

BigBanger
09-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Woodson.

Also, the entire thread is SOLELY about his throwing motion not him as a prospect or anything.
Does his throwing motion have an effect on HIM as a prospect? You could debate that. If it does or doesn't. This thread could be more than just his throwing motion. The pros and/or cons of his throwing motion. Which will then develop more discussion.

But what does his comment mean? You watched Bray, and then watched Philip Rivers... you were worried about Bray's throwing motion and then you weren't, because you watched Rivers.

So....... does that mean Tyler Bray is going to be a Pro Bowl QB who averages 4,200 yard passing seasons? That he will routinely have a passer rating over 100? High completion percentage?

Or does it mean that throwing mechanics are not important in evaluating a QB prospect since Philip Rivers had success with a funky delivery? Are their mechanics the same? Different? What does it mean? What does Philip Rivers have to do with Tyler Bray? What does Rivers NFL success (implied) have to do with Bray? That Bray will be great? Good? Have no problems in the NFL? What does it mean? What is the point of mentioning Rivers? Why do we have to do this every single year?

Like I said, it's a waste of time. There's no opinion about Bray in that type of comment. Just as Vikes99ej humorously said, "If Ryan Tannehill can go in the first round then so can Tyler Bray." Another beloved comment used by message board members. What does one players draft status from a previous year have to do with the other? One sentence remarks are usually worthless. Two sentence remarks can be equally worthless.

descendency
09-16-2012, 12:38 AM
EDIT: The QB from Kentucky with Matt Ryan & Brian Brohm... Can't remember if his first name was Andre.

Andre Woodson.

norcalgsr
09-16-2012, 03:42 AM
Bray has a bit of a baseball pitcher/outfielder motion. Tebow throws like a shotputter/javelin thrower.

Mechanically, Bray reminds me of Osweiler.

The thing with Bray is that, because he's so lanky and lacking muscle, he has to lean forward into release when he needs to put a little extra on the ball. This causes him to lose form at times.

bucfan12
09-16-2012, 10:42 AM
I am a little concerned about Bray's delivery as well.

Then I just watch Philip Rivers and I am less concerned.

I think there's a lot more to be concerned with besides Brays delivery.

bucfan12
09-16-2012, 10:44 AM
If Ryan Tannehill can go in the first round then so can Tyler Bray.

Yeah. Just trying to think what gm is going to be that stupid??? That's the million $$ question.

Babylon
09-16-2012, 10:56 AM
I truly wasnt impressed with any of the trio of QBs i focused on yesterday: Bray, Barkely and Logan Thomas. As sometimes will have it you stumble on a real good one in the process and Jeff Driskel, soph, Florida has future high pick written all over him.

Raiderz4Life
09-16-2012, 12:54 PM
What? That every QB with a funky delivery is the next Philip Rivers?

And the white pass rushing DE from FSU is the Jared Allen clone.

No, I think I got it. Like, I said, this was the second draft related thread I've looked at. I see the same comparisons. Everyone is a future star player. I know the deal.

Yes that's exactly it. Gtdamn you're so good Sherlock.

Scott Wright
09-16-2012, 01:39 PM
I don't think pointing out that another tall pocket passer with a funky delivery has been successful in the NFL is the equivalent of saying that Bray is the next Philip Rivers. Could it be a concern? Sure. Is it a death-knell and automatically a reason to downgrade Bray? No.

Leon Sandcastle
09-16-2012, 02:06 PM
His 6'6 frame certainly helps right? I'd imagine if he was 6'2 it would be a bigger issue. Right?

Scott Wright
09-16-2012, 02:11 PM
His 6'6 frame certainly helps right? I'd imagine if he was 6'2 it would be a bigger issue. Right?

Absolutely.

rawdawg
09-16-2012, 07:30 PM
Dan Marino had a funky arm angle too. Not comparing Bray to Marino, but like Scott said, it's a lot easier to get away with that at 6'6". And he "stands tall" in the pocket also.

Bray's an interesting dude because he'll make one throw and I think he's going to be a star, then he'll miss a throw for no apparent reason. Not really sure what to make of him at this point other than he should come back to school for another year. I still think someone makes him the #1 in 2014 though, simply because of his natural tools/talent.

soybean
09-17-2012, 12:09 AM
His 6'6 frame certainly helps right? I'd imagine if he was 6'2 it would be a bigger issue. Right?
Absolutely.

I kind of wish you answered with: "Right."

soybean
09-17-2012, 12:11 AM
I truly wasnt impressed with any of the trio of QBs i focused on yesterday: Bray, Barkely and Logan Thomas. As sometimes will have it you stumble on a real good one in the process and Jeff Driskel, soph, Florida has future high pick written all over him.

Well you kind of picked a bad weekend to focus on.

duesouth
09-17-2012, 04:29 AM
The Florida/Tennessee game is not on until Tuesday here in the UK - so won't be until later in the week until I get to that. My write up from the season opener was:

Tyler Bray* QB Bray's stat line was clear on interceptions 27-41-333 yards and 2 TD's. He is tall, but looks to have a slighter frame than Glennon. Despite looking a little thin, he certainly has a big arm. He can make the 15-20 yard out route throw without a problem and had no issues on the deep ball. I also liked his touch, something not always the case for guys with big arms. He needs a little bit of work in a few areas. The main weakness I saw was that on occasion he dropped the ball down by his hip which caused his release to be slower and also leaves himself open to being stripped. A couple of times he was falling away as he delivered one was a deep post to Justin Hunter, which was on target but dropped but still, doing so will adversely affect his accuracy. Also a couple of times he seemed a little slow deciphering information he looked like he was going to throw, but held the ball a couple of extra beats and then delivered anyway I'd like to see him quicken that up. So, he has some tools but some things to work on and I think adding bulk as Sam Bradford did when he came out of Oklahoma will help his stock.

bucfan12
09-17-2012, 04:14 PM
Dan Marino had a funky arm angle too. Not comparing Bray to Marino, but like Scott said, it's a lot easier to get away with that at 6'6". And he "stands tall" in the pocket also.

Bray's an interesting dude because he'll make one throw and I think he's going to be a star, then he'll miss a throw for no apparent reason. Not really sure what to make of him at this point other than he should come back to school for another year. I still think someone makes him the #1 in 2014 though, simply because of his natural tools/talent.

That's why Jamarcus Russell was a bust. No instincts, just a big arm with huge upside but lacked everything else.

Look, Bray has the big arm, but is wildly inconsistant. He hasn't stayed healthy and he flopped in a big game that wasn't Alabama or LSU.

I watched a lot of him last year and saw some flashes, but this is the year he should improve. Haven't seen it so far and I watched him closely against Florida.

Quite frankly, yes he has the upside, when you speak of talent wise. But I just don't see the instincts. He shows his emotions and hangs his head like Jay Cutler when things aren't going right.

If he declares, any intelligent GM doesn't touch him til the 3rd round.

Same with Logan Thomas

CashmoneyDrew
09-17-2012, 04:35 PM
How has Bray not "stayed healthy"?

His one injury in his career so far has been a broken thumb that happened when he hit it on the helmet of a defender on his follow through of a pass.

bucfan12
09-17-2012, 04:45 PM
How has Bray not "stayed healthy"?

His one injury in his career so far has been a broken thumb that happened when he hit it on the helmet of a defender on his follow through of a pass.

Him being hurt during the time of big games hasn't really shown enough to expose him or boost his draft stock.

I don't know if you're defending him or not. Does he have the upside, when it comes to physical tools? Yes.

I just don't like his instincts. Body language, from what I've seen, can get very negative and it's not like the Florida game was out of reach.

He's a huge risk in the 1st round, maybe even the 2nd.

CashmoneyDrew
09-17-2012, 04:52 PM
I'm just saying he's not injury prone. He's literally had one injury that could happen to any QB. When people say Bray is injury prone or can't stay healthy, they're just making up crap and proving they don't know what they're talking about.

bucfan12
09-17-2012, 04:56 PM
I'm just saying he's not injury prone. He's literally had one injury that could happen to any QB. When people say Bray is injury prone or can't stay healthy, they're just making up crap and proving they don't know what they're talking about.

Sorry my bad. Didn't know the extent to the injury history, or lack there of.

But one thing I'll stick to is the analysis. I find it histerical that many think Logan thomas and Tyler Bray are #1 overal pick type prospects. LOL they've showed potential firings if any GM dare makes that move.

descendency
09-17-2012, 06:26 PM
I wouldn't call him injury prone. I would call him an injury risk. He is 6'6" and barely 220. His frame should support at least 240 pounds. If not 250. He's 6'6", not 6'2".

kwilk103
09-19-2012, 07:28 PM
didnt wanna start a new bray thread, but this isnt good for the draft stock

Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray never has been the type to go back and watch the video from season-ending games.

He decided the last 20 minutes of the Volunteers' loss to Florida deserved similar treatment.

Bray said after Tennessee's indoor practice Tuesday morning that he watched only the first half of a game the Vols led 20-13 before collapsing in the game's final 20 minutes.

He understands his position requires him to be a leader and acknowledges he stills has developing to do.

"They kept scoring," Bray said. "I get frustrated. Anybody's going to get down and feel like they've got to make that play.

"You've just got to make a play. You go from throwing bombs and running backs running great and linemen blocking great to no one's doing anything great. It can get frustrating."

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/19/vols-frustrated-bray-looks-forward/

Robcards
09-19-2012, 07:58 PM
Pretty sure his delivery is nothing like Tebow and his deep ball is one of the best looking in the nation. He obviously needs to put on some weight and has some work to do but what qb prospect doesn't have question marks? I definitely think he should stay for his senior year though. If he were starting an NFL game this time next year I don't think it'd be pretty.