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Shane P. Hallam
10-01-2012, 01:18 PM
Constructive criticism is preferred. Saying “So and so sucks.” Or “My team doesn’t need this position.” Is not helpful. Explain to me WHY, explain schematically what is wrong, etc. Please don’t complain about the draft order. It was made using my power ranking and I even moved teams around to fit players as needed. Heck, it isn’t even possible with how I have the playoff teams. If you complain about that, you are lame. Enough said! If an underclassman is missing, I decided he wouldn’t declare. If I messed up a school or name, just let me know. I made a bunch of changes and may have missed a few things

I didn’t look much at who are key free agents leaving teams, etc. The mock is extremely rough and likely outdated very soon.

2013 NFL Mock Draft:

1. Kansas City Chiefs – Geno Smith QB/West Virginia

Chiefs aren’t in #1 position right now, but they may end up being there if the defense keeps playing this way. If they do pick #1, it is QB or bust. I can see Geno Smith fitting a bit better than Barkley with this offense and rising in the offseason.

2. Cleveland Browns – Barkevious Mingo DE/LSU

The Browns lack of pass rush so far this season is disturbing. Doubt the Weeden experiment would be over, so Mingo across from Sheard would be an unreal combo.

3. New Orleans Saints – Star Lotulelei DT/Utah

Worst rush defense? Get the best run defender. Star would give massive versatility to the Saints defense and finally fill a hole that they have long ignored.

4. Oakland Raiders – Matt Barkley QB/USC

There are no ties from Reggie McKenzie to Carson Palmer or Terrelle Pryor. If he sees a little Aaron Rodgers in Matt Barkley, he may pull the trigger. Could give some leeway for Barkley to sit for a little while, though I doubt it would happen.

5. Jacksonville Jaguars – Jarvis Jones DE/Georgia

Gabbert has improved, but is it enough? Not sure I see Gene Smith ousted, which means no quarterback here. Despite the drafting of Andre Branch, pass rush continues to be a major problem. Jarvis Jones gives versatility to play him at DE or WLB (a la Von Miller).

6. Tennessee Titans – Luke Joeckel OT/Texas A&M

Titans are no one team whose depth chart doesn’t have huge holes, but nothing seems solid. Luke Joeckel is my favorite O-lineman in this draft and I expect a rise. With Roos’ struggles, Joeckel could play LT or RT.

7. Indianapolis Colts – Johnathan Hankins DT/Ohio State

Time to work on the defense. Hankins would give Pagano his Haloti Ngata role, a player who is big enough for NT but plays like a 5-tech with an infinite motor. If Hankins isn’t top ten now, he likely will by April.

8. Detroit Lions – Eric Reid S/LSU

It may time to scrap the Lions BPA strategy a bit and ensure they get someone in the secondary. The choice here is take a safety or corner, and Reid seems to fit in with what the Lions wanted to do with Louis Delmas but couldn’t. He can have a Mark Barron type of impact.

9. Miami Dolphins – Sam Montgomery DE/LSU

BPA pick here. It is a need for the Dolphins opposite of Cam Wake, a position they lacked with the defensive change this season. No WR here screams great value, and they seem content to wait on that position.

10. Carolina Panthers – Xavier Rhodes CB/Florida State

I’m a huge Xavier Rhodes fan. I think he can be the first CB off the board. This is a situation where putting Rhodes as the CB2 and bumping Josh Norman to nickel CB should improve this secondary by leaps and bounds.

11. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Bjoern Werner DE/Florida State

Not sure if Werner ends up this high ultimately, and I’m not sure it is the Bucs biggest need, but I just loved the fit. With Bowers and Clayborn’s injuries, there is some questions at pass rusher after Michael Bennett. Werner could be a great rotational player with Bowers to start and end up being a mainstay very soon if he is healthy.

12. New York Jets – Robert Woods WR/USC

Will the Jets clean house? If not, I wouldn’t expect a QB in the first. They do need more offensive weapons, and Woods seems like a Tannenbaum type of player. Fits in as a #2 to Santonio Holmes without asking too much from him Year 1. I’m not a fan, but understand why teams are. A lot on this pick depends on Stephen Hill’s development, but even with Hill, Woods could be a solid investment, especially if they don’t want to put up with Holmes.

13. Buffalo Bills – EJ Manuel QB/Florida State

Maybe a bit of a surprise. The defense needs help, but where? Manuel is the best QB left who fits Chan Gailey’s system to a tee. He can come in and instantly run a modified offense to build around. Time for the Bills to go upside at QB.

14. St. Louis Rams – Taylor Lewan OT/Michigan

Still not 100% sold on Lewan, but he is a Top 15 talent. Rams are starting Wayne Hunter at LT which is appalling. Biggest need on this team and they can go after a top guy with all the picks they have,

15. Seattle Seahawks – Justin Hunter WR/Tennessee

If the Seahawks want to back Russell Wilson, he will need the weapons to get it done. With players like Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate not living up to expectations, a true #1 WR to pair with Sidney Rice could go a long way. Justin Hunter might be the most talented WR in this class and can be a future stud.

16. Pittsburgh Steelers – Manti Te’o LB/Notre Dame

The Steelers defense is getting older, and they get a great fit and potential steal with Manti Te’o to fill the Larry Foote position. With Te’o’s improved pass coverage, he can fit into the 3-4 and even rush the passer from time to time. It would be a great fit if the Steelers pick in the Top 15 (or close).

17. St. Louis Rams (f/ WAS) – TJ McDonald S/USC

With the Rams second pick, they address another position of need. TJ McDonald could be a roaming defensive leader on a team that doesn’t have the help down the field with more in the box safeties like Darian Stewart, Quintin Mikell, and Craig Dahl leading the team. McDonald could play FS and free roam plenty.

18. New York Giants – DJ Fluker OT/Alabama

The RT position for the Giants is brutal and DJ Fluker will get plenty of press to keep him up draft boards. He is an instant plug and play at RT and should help the Giants improve in the run game.

19. Denver Broncos – Barrett Jones C/Alabama

Jones can play all over the line and versatility seems to be a value John Elway has in his draft picks (see Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, etc). With JD Walton’s injury, Jones would be great insurance who could also move to either guard position or RT in a pinch. That versatility will push him up boards.

20. Minnesota Vikings – Keenan Allen WR/Cal

The Viks have been a surprise, but they should continue to add playmakers to be truly dangerous. If Keenan Allen falls there, he should be a steal. Big, physical, and has quick twitch ability. A perfect foil to Percy Harvin, he is a great get at 20.

21. Chicago Bears – Tyler Eifert TE/Notre Dame

A bit high for Eifert, but he is a tremendous weapon with blocking upside. With no O-lineman that really fit on the interior or at LT, I went with another offensive weapon who can be trained to help in pass protection as needed. Eifert is a mismatch nightmare who has the upside of a Jermaine Gresham or Kyle Rudolph.

22. San Diego Chargers - Dee Milliner CB/Alabama

I could see Milliner falling a bit after workouts, but he seems like a Chargers type of player. Quentin Jammer has been overrated for awhile now and Milliner could step in and contribute pretty quickly in a nickel role and move up quickly.

23. Dallas Cowboys – Corey Lemonier LB/Auburn

Lemonier is vaulting up draft boards right now and is one of the best pass rushers in this draft. He can stand up in a 3-4 or put his hand down in a 4-3. You never have enough pass rushers, and even with Spencer/Ware pretty entrenched, Lemonier can go the way of Aldon Smith to be folded in slowly for the future.

24. Philadelphia Eagles – Jake Matthews OT/Texas A&M

If Matthews declares, he will be an intriguing prospect. Built for RT, there is some LT upside with him too. The Eagles don’t have many clear holes, but the Peterson injury could open up holes on the offensive line for the future and Herremans can be upgraded.

25. Arizona Cardinals – Tyler Bray QB/Tennessee

The Cardinals are playing great, but is Kevin Kolb the answer? If not a late first round QB could be in the works. Tyler Bray’s release and technique will push him down draft boards. He is the type of project the Cardinals could invest in while Kolb continues to play and still have the guy for the future.

26. Green Bay Packers – Marcus Lattimore RB/South Carolina

The Packers are quickly learning the impact of a running game in the NFL. Cedric Benson won’t last, and there is nothing past him. If someone has the luxury of investing in an extremely talented runner and receiver, it is the Packers with Lattimore. If he runs well, he won’t be close to around at this spot.

27. Cincinnati Bengals – Kenny Vaccaro S/Texas

Still some holes at safety for the Bengals and Vaccaro could step in Day 1 and compete for a starting job. A versatile player who hits hard and still is fluid enough to cover deep, he is what the doctor ordered for the Bengals defense.

28. Baltimore Ravens – Khaled Holmes OL/USC

Holmes is the ideal center, but he could even be moved to guard if needed. The Ravens interior line is pretty weak outside Marshall Yanda. Depending on the development of Gino Gradkowski, Holmes could play LG or center in the future.

29. San Francisco 49ers – Johnthan Banks CB/Mississippi State

I’m still not in love with the 49ers secondary outside Carlos Rogers. Johnthan Banks wouldn’t be needed to step in and start Day 1 and is BPA at this point in the draft. If the value this good, tough for the 49ers to pass.

30. New England Patriots – Johnathan Cooper OG/North Carolina

Not sure I buy Cooper as a first round pick, but he does fit the Patriots. Nothing about the interior Patriots O-line screams elite outside of Logan Mankins, and Cooper can play either guard position. Could even see a trade down and take him.

31. Atlanta Falcons – Michael Buchanan DE/Illinois

Buchanan isn’t a big name, but he is steadily rising up draft boards and may end up as a Top 20 pick. The Falcons have an aging John Abraham and Ray Edwards has disappointed. Buchanan looks like a young Abraham and it may do well to get him in now.

32. Houston Texans – Kawann Short DL/Purdue

Tough to a find a real hole without young players. I can see Antonio Smith moving on and Kawann Short filling the position in a rotation with Jared Crick . As the Texans continue having a great defense, they may keep reloading.

Round 2:

33. Kansas City Chiefs – Robert Lester S/Alabama

I’m not a Kendrick Lewis fan and Eric Berry lost a step this year. Bringing in a rotational safety who can also play some special teams would be key for the Chiefs. Robert Lester could really fit with his experience.

34. Cleveland Browns – SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT (Josh Gordon)

35. New Orleans Saints – FORFEITED

36. Cincinnati Bengals (f/ OAK) – William Gholston DE/Michigan State

The Bengals lead the NFL in sacks, but Carlos Dunlap and Michael Johnson aren’t the most consistent on the field or with their healthy. William Gholston is the BPA here and adds to a pretty solid DE rotation already.

37. Jacksonville Jaguars – Ricky Wagner OT/Wisconsin

Another BPA situation, Ricky Wagner should go in the first. If he would fall, it could be a steal for whatever team needs a RT. I imagine Wagner is an improvement over Cameron Bradfield and could start instantly.

38. Tennessee Titans – Sylvester Williams DT/North Carolina

Another potential first rounder, Williams can play NT or UT in a lot of systems. Though the Titans have the personnel, they have been extremely weak up front. Williams could vault to the #1 spot in the interior.

39. Miami Dolphins (f/ IND) – Kenny Stills WR/Oklahoma

Dolphins need WRs, plain and simple. Stills system and speed questions could push him into the 2nd round, but he does fit the offense very well.

40. Detroit Lions – Le’Veon Bell RB/Michigan State

I can see Bell running poorly and falling to the 2nd round. Time to ditch Best and Smith and bring in Bell to share with Leshoure. BPA as it is with Detroit.

41. Miami Dolphins – Kevin Reddick LB/North Carolina

A bit high for Reddick, but the Dolphins are lacking in LB depth and he can rotate on the strong or weak side as needed.

42. Carolina Panthers – Jesse Williams DT/Alabama

Love Williams, time to move up boards. After cutting Terrell McClain, there is a consistent hole at the DT position. Williams is a big NT who can move.

43. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Dion Sims TE/Michigan State

Sims is very physical and just what the Bucs want. Not the best blocker, but he adds a weapon to a team that needs it.

44. New York Jets – Tyler Wilson QB/Arkansas

Wonder if the concussions could cause Wilson to fall into the 2nd. If so, I imagine the Jets would leap at the opportunity.

45. Buffalo Bills – Aaron Dobson WR/Marshall

I like Dobson a lot, and he is in the mold of the Gailey offense. A potential #2 to keep TJ Graham in the slot.

46. St. Louis Rams – Da’Rick Rogers WR/Tennessee Tech

Very productive and the Rams have shown they will take a chance on a player with some off the field issues. With Quick disappointing, the Rams may go after another 2nd round WR.

47. Seattle Seahawks – Arthur Brown LB/Kansas State

Pretty high for him, but he can be a future replacement for Leroy Hill and add another pass rusher that the Seahawks need.

48. Pittsburgh Steelers – Montee Ball RB/Wisconsin

Steelers type of RB. A little soft, a little disappointing, but someone with the vision to work within this system.

49. Washington Redskins – Brennan Williams OT/North Carolina

The more O-line help the better for the Redskins in protecting RGIII. Williams can fill in at RT or OG position as needed and be a solid swing back-up for the time being.

50. New York Giants – Johnathan Jenkins DT/Georgia

Overrated to me and not a first rounder. It is decent value in the 2nd as the Giants try to get better upfront. Probably a Rocky Bernard replacement in the future.

51. Denver Broncos – Terry Hawthorne CB/Illinois

Another Illini this high? Broncos add CB depth. Is Tracy Porter a legit #2? I’m not so sure about that. Hawthorne can start in nickel or dime role and move up.

52. Minnesota Vikings – Alex Okafor DE/Texas

I like Okafor and he may be a rotational player opposite of Jared Allen for a time being. Should help keep the run defense top notch too.

53. Chicago Bears – Oday Aboushi OT/Virginia

Underrated player rising up and up my board. Has some LT potential, but I’d like him even more at guard.

54. San Diego Chargers – Christine Michael RB/Texas A&M

Always an odd team that takes a RB early. I can see Michael fitting the Charger’s scheme and being a #2 punch to Ryan Mathews. Depending on how staff changes could determine this pick.

55. Dallas Cowboys – Shawn Williams S/Georgia

Williams looks like a starter but just doesn’t quite have the athletic upside you want. If he can free those hips, I’d love him as an addition to an improved Cowboys secondary.

56. Philadelphia Eagles – Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB/UConn

One of the best names in the draft give the Eagles more CB depth. If Boykin doesn’t look like a future starter, perhaps Wilson can step in and fill in a dime role with upside.

57. Arizona Cardinals – Devin Taylor LB/South Carolina

Taylor has fallen off a bit, but I could see him as a great fit in the Cardinals system as a pass rusher. A bit short, but he has the tenacity to rotate in a pass rusher role and even put his hand down on passing downs.

58. Green Bay Packers - Chance Warmack OG/Alabama

He'll probably go much much higher, but I still need to see a bit more for justification. Not sure why I don't see him leap out like everyone else, but hopefully I will come around to it soon!

59. Cincinnati Bengals – Eddie Lacy RB/Alabama

Lacy may not have the offseason to go extremely high, but he is a big bodied runner with nimble feet. Great compliment to BJGE and a future stud IMO.

60. Baltimore Ravens – Aaron Mellette WR/Elon

Mellette is on the 2nd round border, but the Ravens still need a future replacement for Boldin as Doss is too inconsistent. Mellette and Torrey Smith would be a nasty combination to keep this offense going for years.

61. San Francisco 49ers - Dion Jordan LB/Oregon

I really like Jordan in a 3-4, and on a rotational basis, it is a position the 49ers could look at for depth.

62. New England Patriots – Margus Hunt DE/SMU

Not the best fit, I admit, but I wanted to fit Hunt into the first two rounds as I would bet he ends up there. Big, athletic, rangy, if the Patriots did want to add another monstrous specimen, he is the guy.

63. Atlanta Falcons – Joseph Fauria TE/UCLA

I like Fauria more than most, and if this is Gonzo’s last year, it becomes a huge need.

64. Houston Texans – Sean Porter LB/Texas A&M

ILB is an issue for the Texans as Bradie James can be upgraded. Sean Porter has disappointed so far this season, but he is a tough player who could fit next to Cushing.

vidae
10-01-2012, 01:23 PM
I would take this draft in a second for the Chiefs. I would love Lester + Berry with KLew playing a rotational type of role, but I will disagree with your assessment of Berry. He hasn't been great so far but I wouldn't say he has lost a step. I think he's a bit timid after his knee surgery, but he'll shake the rust off eventually.

Anyway, great KC mock sir.

thenewfeature06
10-01-2012, 01:28 PM
Only 1 pick for Oakland yet you got it.. if he is available we gotta go Bark.

soybean
10-01-2012, 01:29 PM
I like Robert Woods obviously, being an SC homer but I think the Jets need a tall receiver to compliment Santonio if Sanchez is still the starter. Like you said a lot depends on Stephen Hill's progression. Losing Braylon had a huge impact on Sanchez's development and he's suffered from that.

I could also see us grabbing Lattimore too. Our RB situation is a mess.

Grizzlegom
10-01-2012, 01:44 PM
Solid Phins picks. You were right on with your explanations as well, Wake needs a real pass rushing threat opposite him as Odrick is out of position at DE and isn't a sack threat from that spot and Stills would be a perfect schematic fit.

Not really a fan of Reddick in general so I'd feel rather meh on that pick. If we cut Dansby it could make sense but if not, I'd rather go with a CB or FS there.

Miami's offseason is going to really play a big part in their draft picks too. They've got something like $55 million in cap space being freed up between expiring contracts and dead money coming off the cap this year. A portion of it will need to go into bringing back key players like Jake Long, Bush, Hartline, and Starks but they are expected to be active in free agency as well where guys like Greg Jennings could come into play. WR, DE, and FS are probably the three key needs now though.

Pit Bull #53
10-01-2012, 01:56 PM
I'm not sure what these struggles are that Roos has had this year that would lead us to drafting his replacement, but that seems awfully reactionary. Chandler Jones whooped him once or twice in that game, but other than that he's been his usual self. He and Stewart are rocks. The offensive line surely needs work, but tackle is the last place that needs upgrading. Hutchinson looks like he should have retired before the season, Velasco has no place as a starter, and Leroy Harris is just awful.

What we need is a defensive force. Whether it be a big DT to pair with Jurrell Casey or a pass rushing demon on the outside, it's got to be had if one is available. A SS is desperately needed as well. I think an argument can be made for corner as well, provided it's a blue chip type player.

Offensive tackle just seems such a waste for a team that is starving for a true impact player, especially when there are already 2 good/great players manning those positions, both still in their prime.

T-RICH49
10-01-2012, 02:03 PM
I would take this draft in a second for the Chiefs. I would love Lester + Berry with KLew playing a rotational type of role, but I will disagree with your assessment of Berry. He hasn't been great so far but I wouldn't say he has lost a step. I think he's a bit timid after his knee surgery, but he'll shake the rust off eventually.

Anyway, great KC mock sir.

Agreed with all of this.Berry has'nt lost a step.It will probably take a little bit of time before he can be confident again but he'll be fine.GREAT Mock anyway

Vaylor
10-01-2012, 02:21 PM
While the interior Patriots' O-line does need improvement, I think they would be better served drafting a developmental Offensive Tackle and then moving Marcus Cannon from Tackle to guard.

With that being im not sure who they should take in the 1st. WR is a huge need, but the Patriots' offense can be brutal on young WRs. Safety is looking like another option as well with Chung being pretty bad, but Wilson looks solid and Ebner is an intriguing developmental option.

While I do realize this pretty much doesn't help your mock, but trading back would probably be the best option.

Brown Leader
10-01-2012, 02:53 PM
Browns are actually 5th in the league in sacks, believe it or not. But they do need a better pass rush.

4 A&M players and no Damontre Moore?...think he'll return? I think he's roughly the 2nd best DE and a definite 1st round pick-top 20.

Woods & Hunter over Keenan Allen? Have you seen his brother?

If not for the concussions where you would rank Wilson?

jrdrylie
10-01-2012, 02:56 PM
Definitely interesting first round pick for the Bears. I like what I've seen from him as a pass catcher and the Bears really need a weapon at tight end. How is his blocking? In the second round, I'll admit I know nothing about the player you gave us, but if it's on the offensive line, I'm cool with it.

TACKLE
10-01-2012, 03:28 PM
I'm really not a Khaled Holmes fan. I never understood the high round hype (well I understood it, he went to USC, I just never bought it). He's a quality athlete who can reach guys in zone and does a really nice job at the second level. However, he plays too tall, doesn't get very good leverage and because he doesn't play with a very good base, he gets knocked off balance and struggles very power players. He's basically another Chris Chester (former Sooner, Raven). I know the Ravens are a tricky team to project with (not to sound cocky) but few immediate needs. Probably would be a situation where we could just go BPA instead of trying to reach for a need. I don't know much about Mellette other than that one video but he looks impressive and WR makes sense.

Shane P. Hallam
10-01-2012, 03:36 PM
Agreed with all of this.Berry has'nt lost a step.It will probably take a little bit of time before he can be confident again but he'll be fine.GREAT Mock anyway

Lost a step may have been the wrong wording, but I meant due to the injury this year. You hope he'll get back confident again.

Pitbull, def. appreciate the feedback. Titans are tricky. I'm interested to see who you would have there.

Agreed Tackle, Ravens very tricky. I think Holmes' worth is very noticeable this year though when he was out compared to when he was in.

Thecollegedropout
10-01-2012, 03:37 PM
Jets take...

I am fine with Round 1 and getting Woods who while USC WR scare the crap out of me, Woods is so so good that I am a huge fan. HOWEVER, I think Te'O is what this team needs as our LB are too slow, can't stop the run after the initial burst past the D-Line and stink at pass coverage. Either a MLB or OLB with Pace and B. Thomas possibly going is big. Might mean maybe Demario Davis may have to be an OLB but Te'O would be epic.

Round 2 I hate the thought of a QB....pure overreaction but I am a Sanchez guy so take that as what you want. If Keller is not brought back...we'll need a TE and the UCLA TE would be a perfect fit in round 2.

Don Vito
10-01-2012, 03:49 PM
With the 57th pick, were you being sarcastic when you called Devin Taylor short?

For the Pats, I would welcome a guard but I'm not completely sold on Cooper. If we're taking an interior OL I would hope we could land Warmack or Jones. In the second, Hunt would be an intriguing pick. He's like Vollmer in that he's a slightly older European born player who went to Houston and has some intriguing tools. He could be a nice fit at left end but I don't see us taking him, could be an interesting fit though.

BHugh215
10-01-2012, 03:54 PM
Going to be very interesting to see what Reggie McKenzie does with his Top5 pick. So many glaring holes. Jarvis, Hankins, Rhodes all available? Can't go wrong with either. 'Bingo for Mingo'!

bucfan12
10-01-2012, 04:05 PM
Shane,

Give the bucs a cb. Dee Milner in round 1. They ll most likely retain Bennett and bowers and Clayborn healthy next year. Talib is an FA and I don't see him back. Not that good and troubled past.

2nd rd: if Tyler Wilson is there give him to the bucs bc Freeman is terrible.

draftguru151
10-01-2012, 04:05 PM
Pass rusher is definitely a need but when we take one will probably depend on if they're planning to use the scheme they are now where Odrick is a good fit on 1st and 2nd down. A guy to compete with Vernon as a rush specialist is probably needed. WR and DB are huge issues and I can't see them not addressing that in the first. LB is a bit of a need but with the major deficiences currently going on I can't see it being addressed early (unless Dansby is gone next year). Eric Reid would do wonders for this team replacing Chris Clemons.

TACKLE
10-01-2012, 04:09 PM
Agreed Tackle, Ravens very tricky. I think Holmes' worth is very noticeable this year though when he was out compared to when he was in.

The quality of USC's backup center doesn't really change my opinion on Holmes.

y.f.s.
10-01-2012, 04:14 PM
I would take this draft in a second for the Chiefs. I would love Lester + Berry with KLew playing a rotational type of role, but I will disagree with your assessment of Berry. He hasn't been great so far but I wouldn't say he has lost a step. I think he's a bit timid after his knee surgery, but he'll shake the rust off eventually.

Anyway, great KC mock sir.

I can haz Geno?

CashmoneyDrew
10-01-2012, 04:31 PM
I'm not sure what these struggles are that Roos has had this year that would lead us to drafting his replacement, but that seems awfully reactionary. Chandler Jones whooped him once or twice in that game, but other than that he's been his usual self. He and Stewart are rocks. The offensive line surely needs work, but tackle is the last place that needs upgrading. Hutchinson looks like he should have retired before the season, Velasco has no place as a starter, and Leroy Harris is just awful.

What we need is a defensive force. Whether it be a big DT to pair with Jurrell Casey or a pass rushing demon on the outside, it's got to be had if one is available. A SS is desperately needed as well. I think an argument can be made for corner as well, provided it's a blue chip type player.

Offensive tackle just seems such a waste for a team that is starving for a true impact player, especially when there are already 2 good/great players manning those positions, both still in their prime.


Pitbull, def. appreciate the feedback. Titans are tricky. I'm interested to see who you would have there.


I agree with Pitbull on this. We are fine at tackle. Guard and center is where we are hurting up front. If Chance Warmack is really as great as he is being hyped up to be at this point he has to be considered. Especially if he has the versatility to be tried at center.

On defense we could use anyone that could get to the QB. We finished 31st in the league last season in sacks with 28 I believe and this season we are on pace for 24. That's awful. So we'll obviously look at edge rushers as one of, if not both, Morgan or Wimbley should be coming off of the bench. However, we could probably use a little more beef in the middle next to Casey as well. Especially a guy that can collapse the pocket in the middle. So that could be a consideration as well.

We could also use any safety as both of our starters and even backups are atrocious. But the team signed Griffin to a long extension this past offseason so I'm afraid we're stuck with him for a while. So if we keep him at FS, we should definitely pair him with a stud safety that would hopefully allow Griffin to just play center field most of the time.

Also, if a studly corner were available we'd probably at least consider taking them. It would allow ATV to be a full-time nickel which he's probably best suited for.

D-Unit
10-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Lemonier to Dallas is one that I haven't given thought to before. I'm hesitant to buy it because the OL is so cruddy. Kyle Wilber was a training camp surprise before he injured his thumb. I think between him and Victor Butler the Cowboys would give them a chance if Spencer leaves in FA...which I'm starting to have doubts on because he is actually proving his worth this year.

Shawn Williams would be a great fit for us, imo. I like that pick a lot! The speed of our defense and our tackling is much improved, but we still lack a guy who can pack the intensity on the field and deliver a punishing hit. Williams is an intimidator and I like that about him.

vidae
10-01-2012, 05:00 PM
I can haz Geno?

Nope you have your QBotF.

holt_bruce81
10-01-2012, 05:39 PM
I like it for the Rams. The way the Rams offensive Line looks right now, I wouldn't even be mad if they took an offensive Tackle and Guard with their two 1st rounders. Our LG has been getting absolutely murdered. Think a ******** Wayne Hunter. That's how bad he looks.

And I wouldn't call Quick a Disapointment just yet. We all knew it would take him awhile, while not seeing really any action the first few weeks, him and Chris Givens were out on the field a bunch vs the Seahawks.

TonyGfortheTD
10-01-2012, 06:10 PM
Geno and a safety?

Yes please.

SuperPacker
10-01-2012, 06:36 PM
Well done Shane.
:beers:

asdf1223
10-01-2012, 07:20 PM
Great scheme fits for the Hawks.

Pit Bull #53
10-01-2012, 08:12 PM
Based on how the board falls, I think any of the 5 guys that you have coming off the board after the Titans pick would fit in with what we need. Admittedly, I haven't watched a lot of the players outside of SEC players, so I'm not sure on just how highly rated some of them are.

Pat Sims 90
10-01-2012, 08:43 PM
I would be happy with that Bengals draft.

RaiderNation
10-01-2012, 08:48 PM
Hard to pass up Barkley who would fit the offensive scheme and likely get a year behind Palmer to learn it. Defensive is where we have the least talent though and passing up a player like Jarvis Jones would be a tough decision since we really lack a premier talent on that side of the ball.

marshallb
10-01-2012, 10:56 PM
Very good first round Vikings pick, but DE isn't a premium pick-need for the Vikings, really just for depth/developmental guy. Robison has been very good opposite Allen and Everson Griffen has really stepped up as a situational pass rusher and even had played quite a bit in the base the past couple weeks after Allen strained his neck and then cramped up late this week. A DB, DT, MLB, or RT(Loadholt is a FA after this season and can be upgraded) are all bigger needs.

SickwithIt1010
10-01-2012, 11:43 PM
I would love to switch it up and maybe go Lester and Warmack, but I have no problem with that draft. I think Boykin is good enough to stay in the nickel so CB is iffy but who knows.

fenikz
10-02-2012, 12:04 AM
I wouldn't mind Bray in the 1st but it's hard to see any QB doing much better than Kolb with how bad our O-line is. One day we will address it hopefully it's this year(would love to see Grimm fired too)

Mr. Goosemahn
10-02-2012, 01:08 AM
Te'o to Pittsburgh is a match made in heaven, and I can dig Ball. I'd love Bell though, I think he's the type of RB that we'd be interested in. Between Redman, Dwyer, John Clay, the guy from Illinois we brought in this offseason, we've brought in a large amount of power backs, none of which have really panned out. If the investments made into the oline pay off, a good power RB could be pretty good for us. Gonna be interesting to see if we keep Mendenhall, seeing how the running game was nonexistent without him these past couple of weeks.

derza222
10-02-2012, 11:10 AM
On the Jets - I personally think they blow things up after this season, particularly if Sanchez keeps playing the way he has. Lots of weaknesses all over the place, and from there it makes sense to go into rebuilding mode so I could certainly see a QB in the first.

That said, the way you have the draft playing out would be nice. I like Wilson quite a bit, injuries are an issue obviously but getting him in the second is a really nice roll of the dice. Tend to be hesitant on guys like Woods but the offense could use an explosive element. He's a short and long-term fit I think as you pointed out, more polished than Hill so he can play right away but if Holmes gets bounced he's a good long-term complement to Hill provided he develops. I personally would go with a QB or Justin Hunter there over Woods, but it's too early to nitpick on player value. If they end up picking earlier than that and don't go QB I could see a pass rusher as well, Jarvis Jones would be awesome.

Don Vito
10-02-2012, 11:15 AM
I can't wait til Rex's press conference after they draft a QB in the first. "marks...still...our...guy"

Either that or they start Sanchez til he is 40

Forenci
10-02-2012, 11:30 AM
YOUR MOCK DISGUSTS ME! Just kidding JBond, I love you.

I'm not really familiar with Fluker but OT is a big need. Can he play left tackle? Depending how Beatty does, left tackle may be more of a need than RT, and it sounds like Fluker is only a RT.

DT could be a need, but honestly, I feel like we have a lot bigger priorities at this point. CB may be a huge need or us if Webster is finally starting to regress. Hosley and Prince could be a great tandem, but they are both injury prone to this point in their careers and having a good nickel CB is always a plus.

CJSchneider
10-02-2012, 12:27 PM
The potential of us drafting Star Lotulelei is a bright spot amongst a season of darkness thus far.

Scotty D
10-02-2012, 12:49 PM
Bell in the second round is a waste of a pick. Can't keep drafting RBs so high. Major needs in other places. DE is going be a huge need soon.

Raiderz4Life
10-02-2012, 12:59 PM
You know, I'm honestly starting to not be so high on the Barkley pick anymore. Barkley will be a good player and I'm sure of it but He's probably not the best fit for the Raiders. I'd rather take someone with tons of upside like Tyler Wilson over Barkley who is a lot more polished but it seems like he'll need the right situation to really thrive.

I'm starting to kind of agree with RN in that if we don't go with Wilson, defense has to be looked at. Jarvis Jones would be awesome.

Bengals78
10-02-2012, 01:18 PM
Hate the Gholston pick.
Ive watched a lot of MSU this year for some reason, and he is pretty much a non-factor most of the time I watch.

derza222
10-02-2012, 01:33 PM
I can't wait til Rex's press conference after they draft a QB in the first. "marks...still...our...guy"

Either that or they start Sanchez til he is 40

Yeah, it's really sad as a Jets fan to watch. I think if your read between the lines this is an indication that they don't really have a whole lot of faith in Tebow either. Sanchez will probably last until they can pretty much no longer start him. Wouldn't be shocked if we see some McElroy either.

If the season continues down the path it looks like it's going to though, there's really not much of a choice but to blow up the team. They overpaid for guys trying to stay competitive and tried to Band-Aid other spots, and it led to a team with a crap cap situation, no speed at linebacker, no pass rush, no long-term answer at safety, an offensive line that's all over the place (good not great LT, medicore LG, awesome C, good but declining RG, mediocre RT) but would probably look better with a better QB and RB behind them, the bad QB and RB I just mentioned, and one starting caliber WR who's hurt along with a young super raw guy with great upside but issues with drops too.

At least there are a couple of good offensive linemen, the corners are good, and the DL should be okay moving forward...but the team's not going to be competitive just by upgrading at a couple of spots. May as well just blow the whole thing up IMO before it gets even worse.

soybean
10-02-2012, 01:59 PM
I can't wait til Rex's press conference after they draft a QB in the first. "marks...still...our...guy"

Either that or they start Sanchez til he is 40

Yeah, it's really sad as a Jets fan to watch. I think if your read between the lines this is an indication that they don't really have a whole lot of faith in Tebow either. Sanchez will probably last until they can pretty much no longer start him. Wouldn't be shocked if we see some McElroy either.

If the season continues down the path it looks like it's going to though, there's really not much of a choice but to blow up the team. They overpaid for guys trying to stay competitive and tried to Band-Aid other spots, and it led to a team with a crap cap situation, no speed at linebacker, no pass rush, no long-term answer at safety, an offensive line that's all over the place (good not great LT, medicore LG, awesome C, good but declining RG, mediocre RT) but would probably look better with a better QB and RB behind them, the bad QB and RB I just mentioned, and one starting caliber WR who's hurt along with a young super raw guy with great upside but issues with drops too.

At least there are a couple of good offensive linemen, the corners are good, and the DL should be okay moving forward...but the team's not going to be competitive just by upgrading at a couple of spots. May as well just blow the whole thing up IMO before it gets even worse.

The problem I have though is that if we draft a qb in the first, he's just going to get abused because of our lack of weapons. Non-existant running game, a weak receiving core, a hurt TE etc.

QB is obviously a problem but it's not the only problem and I don't think we can justify drafting a qb unless it's a top 10 pick.

EDIT: btw, I want Teo

derza222
10-02-2012, 02:41 PM
The problem I have though is that if we draft a qb in the first, he's just going to get abused because of our lack of weapons. Non-existant running game, a weak receiving core, a hurt TE etc.

QB is obviously a problem but it's not the only problem and I don't think we can justify drafting a qb unless it's a top 10 pick.

EDIT: btw, I want Teo

I don't know how much I buy this whole concept. The Jets surrounded Sanchez with a good run game, a young pass catching TE, and some good WR's early on in his career and it hasn't done much for his development. Maybe for some guys it makes a difference, but I think largely in terms of being an NFL QB some guys have it and some don't. It takes some more time than others maybe, but I don't think you need to give a QB some off the charts supporting cast from the beginning of his career for him to have success, and watching the Jets early in the season I don't think the supporting cast is that bad. It's a combination of Sanchez and Greene that's really killing the offense in my eyes.

The line frankly isn't that bad in pass pro, hopefully Hill improves next year, Holmes is alright despite being a pain in the ass, Kerley is a pretty good slot guy, and Powell would be fine for a one year stopgap at RB. Not that Sanchez is the only problem, far from it, but put a more capable QB in there who gets rid of the ball on time and accurately and the whole offense looks a lot better. Not that the Jets would get Luck or RGIII with a high draft pick, but the Colts and Redskins were in worse shape than the Jets are now IMO, plugged those two in, and some draft picks and they look like they'll be two really good offenses long-term. Plug up a couple holes (add a guard or RT, another receiver or a TE depending on what the QB is comfortable with) and it's good enough for a year not to get a guy killed.

No real interest in Te'o either, the Jets' linebackers aren't great but I don't want a defense built around ILB's again. Probably would be the lowest priority for me. Upgrade the pass rush first.

OSUGiants17
10-02-2012, 02:57 PM
I would be more than ok with that Giants draft, maybe draft Okafor in the 2nd, but DT isn't bad by any means. Nice job Shane

Don Vito
10-02-2012, 03:12 PM
I feel like the finger pointing has gone too far with the Jets. It has been Schotty, the line, the receivers, the running game, the defense...

Young QB's are having more and more success today and Sanchez has arguably had as good of a situation entering the league as any of them. His defense was a top unit in the league his first two seasons and has been very good since then. His OL has been well above average. They have tried to bring weapons in.

The blame has to fall on the FO and Sanchez. I rip on Sanchez but the Jets FO really just throws money around for wow factor and hoping to band aid problems. Santonio was a good pickup but other than that I haven't really liked any of the moves, but Sanchez still could have made lemonade. Were Plax and LT going to be the same players they were in 2005? No, but they still were decent pieces to work with. I wouldn't have brought them in for a variety of reasons, but they still could play. Keller? He's a good receiving TE when healthy. Better than what most teams have to work with. Shonn Greene runs hard but their "ground and pound" approach clearly isn't what they thought it would be. Throw in some bad draft picks and the things look pretty bleak.

Still, Sanchez has had plenty to work with and has not made the steps people have hoped he would. Some of it isn't his fault, his fat ******* idiot coach certainly doesn't help him. The FO has made some bad moves but Sanchez still has had a lot of talent in front of him and around him. I don't think they will give up on him but something has to change.

derza222
10-02-2012, 04:02 PM
I can't argue with much of that. The whole Schotty/receivers thing made sense to me at the time, because you've got receivers who are getting no separation from DB's consistently - even if Sanchez made an accurate throw the DB was right there to make the tackle immediately most of the time. But this year, new scheme and same thing. The first game against the Bills was promising because people were just running wide open downfield, but nothing since.

Frankly I could make excuses again this year - Hill hasn't caught anything since the first game, Holmes is still lazy out on the field half the time, run game is terrible, no Keller all season, last game Holmes was out for most of it...but there reaches a point where enough is enough. The common denominator is Sanchez, and I think it's time for a shake up. Young QB's have had success in far worse situations, and if the guy really needs to be surrounded with good WR's and a good run game and have as much time as he wants to sit back in the pocket what's the point really? Tons of QB's would succeed in that situation.

I also completely agree with what you had to say about the FO, although I do worry that it's more the owner than the FO. Lots of overpaying guys and band aid solutions at other spots though, I've said that in a few other posts on here. Definitely think they've done poorly, but Sanchez has had more than enough to succeed with.

The ground and pound approach also kind of bugs me for two reasons. Part of one, and the only part of that post I disagree with, is the part about Greene running hard. He's been kind of a two to three yards and a cloud of dust back for awhile now, plus he offers nothing in the passing game. Doesn't really break any tackles, if anything gets less than he's blocked. No other back is that good either. And the offensive line, while serviceable, isn't great. There are a few ways to run the ball in the NFL IMO. The best way is to have an elite line, which the Jets used to have. The other two big ones are to run off the threat of passing (which the Jets obviously don't have and don't want to do anyway as a "ground and pound" team) or to have an elite back (which doesn't always work anyway). The Jets want to be a run team, but they've got nothing to actually be successful running the ball. And what's worse, this is in a league where you don't really need to be able to run the ball all that well to be successful, and in fact a short passing game can kind of substitute for a run game in some areas. I don't get it. Poorly run franchise the last few years with a ton of holes. It's going to get worse before it gets better, I hope they see that, because more band aid solutions are just going to cause even more problems.

cmd34
10-02-2012, 08:20 PM
You're my boy Shane BUT me no likey the Cowboys draft.

Maybe I am just not seeing it with Corey Lemonier yet but I don't see him standing up and covering anyone as a 3-4 OLB. Again, I need to see more.

I actually like Shawne Williams but to me, he's a strong safety type and the Cowboys need a cover guy, desperately. We need a pure Free Safety.

I like the positions of need though. Dead on.

Hines
10-03-2012, 12:43 AM
I love the first pick. No comments on that.


While I do like Montee, I like Amerson, Shawn Williams, and Eddie Lacy more.

1funguy
10-03-2012, 06:42 AM
For San Diego ....

I can certainly see where you pick CB for us in the 1st. AJ Smith doesn't have a stellar record drafting DB's, but it is a need. RB in the 2nd puzzles me - our needs on OL are far too great to pick a RB here. Maybe later, but it's high time that the Chargers invest in the OL. Not saying it WILL happen, but it certainly SHOULD.

SaintsMan
10-03-2012, 03:49 PM
The potential of us drafting Star Lotulelei is a bright spot amongst a season of darkness thus far.

Him and Hicks in the middle would be nasty

Abaddon
10-03-2012, 04:20 PM
Would be disappointing to see Oakland go QB in April. Barkley just isn't that good. Being the best of a questionable batch of QBs does not make you a good choice for a team that may be looking for a QB. Sometimes, you just have to put need aside and accept that you're better off taking a better player at another position.

Abaddon
10-03-2012, 04:30 PM
Jarvis Jones, on the other hand, would really help us make the move to our preferred 34 defense.

"Our" meaning McKenzie and the coaching staff.

We're supposedly wanting to make the switch next season, and we'll have to have at least one rush LB on the roster to make it happen. We currently don't have such a player.

TitanHope
10-05-2012, 09:11 PM
Hankins, Werner, or Reid in the 1st, and then Warmack in the 2nd, and I'll make an honest man out of you, JBoogie.

Raiderz4Life
10-05-2012, 09:24 PM
Would be disappointing to see Oakland go QB in April. Barkley just isn't that good. Being the best of a questionable batch of QBs does not make you a good choice for a team that may be looking for a QB. Sometimes, you just have to put need aside and accept that you're better off taking a better player at another position.

Barkley would be a good pick. You be trippin.

I hope we don't make a switch to a 3-4. Maybe show some 3-4 looks but I prefer the 4-3.

bengalbuck
10-05-2012, 09:28 PM
Shane, I think you really nailed the Bengals top 3 needs. Love Vaccaro at Safety. DE is likely to be addressed early, but I feel like Okafor is a better fit as he brings more pass rushing ability to the table than Gholston in my opinion. I also think Gholston has some concerns about his toughness that won't endear him to Mike Zimmer.

I definitely think they will look for a RB in the early rounds also. I don't hate Lacy, but he's not really my favorite either. I think the Bengals would prefer to get more of a game breaker, big play threat type of guy. BJGE is signed for 3 years and I think they want to pair him with a speedster like Andre Ellington.

Caddy
10-06-2012, 01:43 AM
Don't get me wrong, you can't have too many DE's, but I'm not sure it's the best option given the horrible secondary we currently have. Bennett is playing lights out this year and looks like he can be a starter for a long time.

thebow305
10-07-2012, 12:03 AM
Great Miami draft, although I would prefer Da'Rick Rogers in the 2nd.

Smooth Criminal
10-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Manti is my dream pick at this point. Montee is not. Steelers need as many defensive play makers as they can get. Guys are getting old and the young ones that have been added lately havnt made much of an impact. Gotta get new blood at corner.

Cigaro
10-07-2012, 05:50 PM
I haven't really seen that much of Rhodes to give a fair opinion, but the position works. Nabbing Jesse Williams in the second would be a perfect pick given the situation.

SoCalBam
10-07-2012, 10:33 PM
Like the KC mock but part of me would like Arthur Brown in the 2nd

Brent
10-08-2012, 04:15 PM
At this stage, I would be very happy with that Niners draft.

Duffman57
10-08-2012, 10:38 PM
22. San Diego Chargers - Dee Milliner CB/Alabama

I could see Milliner falling a bit after workouts, but he seems like a Chargers type of player. Quentin Jammer has been overrated for awhile now and Milliner could step in and contribute pretty quickly in a nickel role and move up quickly.

54. San Diego Chargers – Christine Michael RB/Texas A&M

Always an odd team that takes a RB early. I can see Michael fitting the Charger’s scheme and being a #2 punch to Ryan Mathews. Depending on how staff changes could determine this pick.

I'm fine with the 1st pick. CB is a HUGE need on this team, Cason is just bad, he has no makeup speed, and is playing in a soft zone a lot. He really just needs to be replaced. Gilchrist looks like a solid slot CB, so we dont need any help there, but Cason needs to be replaced ASAP. Jammer is a solid #2 at this point, but he's not fast enough to cover those athletic #1 guys anymore. Milner would be the right pick there, maybe Banks, but whoever is best to play right away, is probably the best option.

The 2nd round pick is wrong. The Chargers have said all along that they want Mathews as the workhorse back. They've been real happy with getting vets like Brown and Battle in FA or picking someone up late in the draft or UDFAs for depth. Rock Baker is still on our practice sqad as well. We wont pick a backup RB this early.

There's plenty of people starting on our OL who should never be starting in the NFL. Clary needs to never play another snap in the NFL again, and Green needs to be a backup swing OG. So either RT or OG has to be the pick here, and IMO Warmack has to be the pick, simply too good of a fit and too much talent there.

rawdawg
10-09-2012, 07:35 PM
21. Chicago Bears – Tyler Eifert TE/Notre Dame

A bit high for Eifert, but he is a tremendous weapon with blocking upside. With no O-lineman that really fit on the interior or at LT, I went with another offensive weapon who can be trained to help in pass protection as needed. Eifert is a mismatch nightmare who has the upside of a Jermaine Gresham or Kyle Rudolph.

53. Chicago Bears – Oday Aboushi OT/Virginia

Underrated player rising up and up my board. Has some LT potential, but I’d like him even more at guard.


I do like the Aboushi pick. May be a possibility for the 1st round. Don't like the TE pick in the 1st. As I said in another mock thread, the Bears just drafted a TE (who can easily be moved back there from FB) and it's a luxury position for them to draft next year, with the same 4 currently on the roster under contract for next year.

The Bears are facing a possibility of losing Urlacher, Melton, and Roach on defense as FAs. They have needed LT help for years, and lose both of their mediocre LGs (thankfully) this offseason. Tillman is in his mid 30s, playing well, but is due almost 8Mil next year. If he's not willing to restructure, he could be cut. Even if I knew Tillman would restructure, Melton would re-sign (think both will happen) and Urlacher would re-sign and not look as terrible as he has this year, I'd still take depth at CB, DT, and LB ahead of TE...especially early. Eifert would be nice, but is a luxury, just like Greg Olsen was in 2007 when the Bears had a perfectly fine TE in Dez Clark.