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JohnCandy
10-05-2012, 02:15 PM
The more I read and watch the more I am starting to realize that this seems to be a potentially exceptional interior OL class.

Chance Warmack
Barrett Jones
John Cooper
Khaled Holmes

All these players look like day 1 starters and potential dominant players.

Is this an exceptional interior OL class?

TACKLE
10-05-2012, 02:35 PM
Don't see what people love so much about Holmes. He's a quality athlete who can reach guys in zone and get up to LB's on the second level but he plays high without a very good base and because of it doesn't anchor well and ends up on the ground too much. He's going to be a guy who struggles vs. big, powerful NT's. Reminds me a lot of Chris Chester coming out.

killxswitch
10-05-2012, 02:57 PM
Barrett Jones that good or is he just really versatile?

Ozzy
10-05-2012, 09:51 PM
Yeah to those that follow it, clearly obvious it is a stacked class potentially. I think Holmes is a good center but Cave is possibly better than he is. Will be very interesting where Barrett Jones will go, I think possibly as a center but if not that position tackle would work better than guard I feel for him but it is hard to say.

At guard if some juniors come out, you have easily eight very good guards in the draft. And I am sure I forgot a few.


OG
Chance Warmack Alabama
Alvin Bailey Arkansas JR
Jonathan Cooper UNC
Spencer Long Nebraska JR
Patrick Omameh Michigan RS
Michael Philipp Oregon State RS JR
Travis Bond UNC
James Wilson Florida
Omoregie Uzzi Georgia Tech
Brian Thomas Texas A&M
John Sullen Auburn


C
Barrett Jones Alabama
Braxston Cave Notre Dame
Khaled Holmes USC
James Ferentz Iowa
Patrick Lewis Texas A&M



Got some really fine sophomore guard prospects as well who could be even better than some of years guards.

Josue Matias Florida State
Aaron Morris Ole Miss
Tre' Jackson Florida State
John Miller Louisville
David Yankey Stanford

keylime_5
10-05-2012, 10:01 PM
Barrett Jones that good or is he just really versatile?

versatility is his top asset. His game doesn't translate as well to the pros as other top OG/Cs, but he will likely be a very good center in the NFL for a while.

CashmoneyDrew
10-05-2012, 10:18 PM
I know Dallas Thomas is listed as a tackle by Scott, but he's playing guard this season, and that's where he's best suited to play at the next level as well.

y.f.s.
10-05-2012, 11:03 PM
I know Dallas Thomas is listed as a tackle by Scott, but he's playing guard this season, and that's where he's best suited to play at the next level as well.

I dunno, I think he's a pretty damn good tackle too, no? Arguably the top SR at that spot.

CashmoneyDrew
10-05-2012, 11:24 PM
I was never that impressed with him as a tackle. He seemed to do just OK. I remember him getting beat a bit by speedy guys on the edge.

The Vols offensive line is playing much better this season and the main change they made was flipping Thomas inside and playing Tiny at LT.

descendency
10-05-2012, 11:26 PM
Barrett Jones that good or is he just really versatile?

That's really the question. I'm not sure his athletic talent warrants him being drafted as high as some might (top 15), but his versatility basically says he can play all 5 OL spots (I wouldn't start him at LT, personally).

He's probably going to be one of those guys that you can fit into any starting OL lineup and not get out of it for 10+ years, but never be the guy that is in the All Pro or Pro Bowl consideration.

Duffman57
10-05-2012, 11:28 PM
Yes, and Travis Frederick is better than anyone you listed, but he's a Jr. and may not come out. This is a BEASTLY OG class though. Holmes is a bit overrated, since he's almost strictly a ZBS C, since he lacks anything resembling an anchor. Barrett Jones will be in the area of a Nick Hardwick type C (with more bulk), where he's incredibly smart, will make all the calls and is everything you want mentally, and will do everything technically right, but doesn't do anything to wow you and doesn't have an elite ceiling. I need to do more scouting on Cooper to get a real gauge on him.

I said it all last year that Warmack is a better prospect than DeCastro is. And he's a beast, and definitely a 1st rounder, but IMO, Frederick is a special kind of player.

Ozzy
10-06-2012, 08:25 AM
Duffman57 Yes, and Travis Frederick is better than anyone you listed, but he's a Jr. and may not come out. This is a BEASTLY OG class though. I really liked Frederick last year, but this year spending some time at center and really not playing that well and that Wisconsin offensive line in general is a disappointment so far I feel, especially Havenstein who is not dominating like he should.

JohnCandy
10-06-2012, 10:22 AM
What about D.J Fluker as an OG?

The more I watch him the more I dot think he can play LT but he is so big and powerful.

JohnCandy
10-06-2012, 10:58 AM
How do you think Warmack compares to other elite OG prospects like DeCastro and Iupati.

To me he is a combination of the two. He moves better than Iupati, but I don't think is as powerful, and he is more powerful than DeCastro, but does not move as well.

Then again I have only seen 1 game so far.

Ozzy
10-06-2012, 11:00 AM
JohnCandy What about D.J Fluker as an OG?

The more I watch him the more I dot think he can play LT but he is so big and powerful.Good point, and I agree he could easily be moved over to guard if he cannot check it at offensive tackle. But that would be kind of a surprise, he is not that bad at it. Cordy Glenn was a given at guard, but played tackle his senior year, got beat a lot actually and gave up a lot of sacks if I can remember, now he starts at tackle in the NFL.

If Glenn can stick at tackle in the NFL Fluker can probably as well, and he is more powerful than Glenn was last year and that is saying something.

Duffman57
10-06-2012, 01:21 PM
I really liked Frederick last year, but this year spending some time at center and really not playing that well and that Wisconsin offensive line in general is a disappointment so far I feel, especially Havenstein who is not dominating like he should.

Yeah, but he's really not a Center. Its good that he can show that he can be really solid there, and that he doesn't have a problem there, but like i said before, he's nothing more than a spot starter there in the NFL, because he can snap really well. With the big body he has, you want him to get a little head start going downhill and mauling the crap out of people like he was able to do last year. He was WAY better than Zeitler last year, and because of how dominant this class is, he'll probably get drafted a tad later, but i think he should still be a 1st rounder, but not great tape at C this year, may bump him to the mid/late 2nd, but i dont see him dropping any lower than that.

jdhommert
10-09-2012, 08:32 PM
Good to hear as a Rams fan.

What do you guys think about Ricky Wagner? I thought I remember him being considered as a top 5 guy for sure, but now at least in CBS's rankings he's barely holding on to a top 10 lineman spot and mocked as a 2nd-3rd round guy. Has he not played well this year, or am I off my rocker thinking I remember him as a better ranked player?

Duffman57
10-09-2012, 08:59 PM
Good to hear as a Rams fan.

What do you guys think about Ricky Wagner? I thought I remember him being considered as a top 5 guy for sure, but now at least in CBS's rankings he's barely holding on to a top 10 lineman spot and mocked as a 2nd-3rd round guy. Has he not played well this year, or am I off my rocker thinking I remember him as a better ranked player?

He's just plain bad as a pass protector. He's super stiff and is going to get beat pretty easy off the edge vs anyone with speed.

ph90702
10-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Don't see what people love so much about Holmes. He's a quality athlete who can reach guys in zone and get up to LB's on the second level but he plays high without a very good base and because of it doesn't anchor well and ends up on the ground too much. He's going to be a guy who struggles vs. big, powerful NT's. Reminds me a lot of Chris Chester coming out.

The Packers could use him for their zone blocking scheme.

bulldog0123
10-10-2012, 07:59 AM
I really like Alvin Bailey from Arkansas.

killxswitch
10-10-2012, 08:10 AM
What is the word on Larry Warford out of Kentucky? 6'3, 343, NFLDS likes him.

JohnCandy
10-10-2012, 10:43 AM
What do you guys think of Dallas Thomas?

He was at LT, but has been moved to LG and has looked pretty good.

TACKLE
10-10-2012, 03:44 PM
What do you guys think of Dallas Thomas?

He was at LT, but has been moved to LG and has looked pretty good.

Best guard (and maybe the best O-Lineman) right now other than Warmack. Might be worth a top 25 pick. He actually stood out to me at LT when I was watching Bray vs. Bama last season before I even knew who he was. He's best off at guard but I still think he could be a starting RT as well. Reminds me of Willie Colon who could have been an awesome guard had they developed him from the beginning though he was a pretty solid tackle as well.

TitanHope
10-10-2012, 04:13 PM
Best guard (and maybe the best O-Lineman) right now other than Warmack. Might be worth a top 25 pick. He actually stood out to me at LT when I was watching Bray vs. Bama last season before I even knew who he was. He's best off at guard but I still think he could be a starting RT as well. Reminds me of Willie Colon who could have been an awesome guard had they developed him from the beginning though he was a pretty solid tackle as well.

That's some pretty high praise coming from you, Tacks! I'd love for him to sneak into the 1st RD, like James Carpenter two years back. It was pretty unselfish to move inside to Guard so Tiny Richardson could get on the field. So it'd be nice if it would all pay off for Thomas, especially now that he has great film at both LT and LG.

The Vols skill positions get a ton of love, and deservedly so. Braysed God is illegal in the state of Utah, and Justin Hunter is heading for a 1st RD selection as well. But the OL should get just as much attention. Richardson is playing LT in the SEC as a true sophomore, and Dallas Thomas is likely heading to the 1st Team All-SEC team with Warmack. But there's also James Stone, who can play any of the interior OL spots, at Center, and two hella experienced juniors on the right side with RT JaWuan James and RG Zach Fulton. New OL Coach Sam Pittman has really shaped an underperforming group that sucked under Harry Heistand.

Don Vito
10-10-2012, 04:23 PM
That's some pretty high praise coming from you, Tacks! I'd love for him to sneak into the 1st RD, like James Carpenter two years back. It was pretty unselfish to move inside to Guard so Tiny Richardson could get on the field. So it'd be nice if it would all pay off for Thomas, especially now that he has great film at both LT and LG.

The Vols skill positions get a ton of love, and deservedly so. Braysed God is illegal in the state of Utah, and Justin Hunter is heading for a 1st RD selection as well. But the OL should get just as much attention. Richardson is playing LT in the SEC as a true sophomore, and Dallas Thomas is likely heading to the 1st Team All-SEC team with Warmack. But there's also James Stone, who can play any of the interior OL spots, at Center, and two hella experienced juniors on the right side with RT JaWuan James and RG Zach Fulton. New OL Coach Sam Pittman has really shaped an underperforming group that sucked under Harry Heistand.

Are those two gremlin twins Big Phil recruited a few years back still around? The terrible ones that both started.

CashmoneyDrew
10-10-2012, 04:27 PM
Are those two gremlin twins Big Phil recruited a few years back still around? The terrible ones that both started.

The Sullins twins? God no. They were walk-ons. And they cost us the 2009 game against Bama.

Don Vito
10-10-2012, 04:29 PM
I remember watching them in the Ole Miss/UT game in 2009 and honestly thinking I have never seen two worse football players.

TitanHope
10-10-2012, 04:31 PM
Are those two gremlin twins Big Phil recruited a few years back still around? The terrible ones that both started.

The Sullins twins? Naw, they only started their senior year back in 2009.

We've come a long way... No more walk-ons.

Don Vito
10-10-2012, 04:39 PM
I couldn't believe they were starting, that's something we would do.

TitanHope
10-10-2012, 04:43 PM
I should've known Drew would snipe me! He absolutely despises those two!

AS. HE. SHOULD!

CashmoneyDrew
10-10-2012, 04:56 PM
I couldn't believe they were starting, that's something we would do.

Looking back at our roster they were pretty much all we had, as sad as that is.

Don Vito
10-10-2012, 05:00 PM
Looking back at our roster they were pretty much all we had, as sad as that is.

When you feel down just look at the QBs Ole Miss has started since Eli left, that should cheer you up. Or just looks at the line you have now.

duesouth
10-11-2012, 06:24 AM
What about D.J Fluker as an OG?

The more I watch him the more I dot think he can play LT but he is so big and powerful.

Not for me - too tall and doesn't bend well.

jdhommert
10-14-2012, 02:05 AM
Not for me - too tall and doesn't bend well.

In general, or do you just mean as a OG and not a RT?

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-14-2012, 06:25 PM
Hopefully the colts will take one of them with our 2nd rounder..oh wait we have Vontae Davis never mind.

killxswitch
01-07-2013, 12:58 PM
Bumping this to revisit since two of the top guard prospects are playing tonight. How have these rankings changed this year? My top 5 right now are C Warmack, T Frederick, J Cooper, B Jones, and L Warford.

Iamcanadian
01-07-2013, 01:23 PM
I'd rate Warmack as the finest OG prospect in a decade with clear top 10 talent. Not sure, he'll go that high as OG's usually drop some, but I cannot see him getting past the top 12-13 picks.
Jonathan Cooper is my #2 OG who has top 20 talent.
Barrett Jones is my #1 OC and should go late round 1.
Alvin Bailey is my #4 and should get drafted round 2/3
Travis Frederick is my #5 and should get drafted round 2/3.
Larry Warford fate will be decided at the Combine.

y.f.s.
01-07-2013, 01:25 PM
I think we've got 3 guards in Warmack/Warford/Cooper who are as good as DeCastro was last year.

Barrett Jones I'm actually kind of "meh" on.

killxswitch
01-07-2013, 01:28 PM
I think we've got 3 guards in Warmack/Warford/Cooper who are as good as DeCastro was last year.

Barrett Jones I'm actually kind of "meh" on.

I've heard complaints that Cooper is just an athletic technician and he doesn't have the strength or mindset to run block at the NFL level. Any truth to this?

I've been a Warford fan for a while but I get caught up in height/weight prospects so I've tried to temper my expectations.

y.f.s.
01-07-2013, 01:35 PM
I've heard complaints that Cooper is just an athletic technician and he doesn't have the strength or mindset to run block at the NFL level. Any truth to this?

I've been a Warford fan for a while but I get caught up in height/weight prospects so I've tried to temper my expectations.

They asked him to lose 15 lbs this year to play in their more up-tempo offense (played at 295), but his NFL playing weight will probably be in the 315-215 range. He's got really strong hands, plays with great leverage and rolls his hips thru contact. If you play him in a heavy down-and-pull scheme, you'd ideally want him on the left side, because he's the best puller in this class (and the best I've seen in awhile to be honest).