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Ozzy
10-06-2012, 08:40 PM
(insert team here) selects Jadeveon Clowney from South Carolina.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/clowney-up-and-over-10-6-12.gif


Is everyone watching this game?

Kid is easily playing the most dominating performance I have personally ever seen from a defensive end. Has so far jumped over two potential blockers, one a running back then other an offensive tackle. Kid is playing his best game arguably, he has added weight from last year and will only get better with age barring injury.

He should be without question the #1 pick in the 2014 draft if he decides to come out early. Could easily make the case he could content for #1 selection this year even with Geno Smith and Matt Barkley in the draft.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2012/writers/andy_staples/07/16/college-football-mock-draft/jadeveon-clowney-p1.jpg

Don Vito
10-06-2012, 08:41 PM
I was thinking about this while watching him today. If he were available in the draft, it would be tough for any team to take anyone over him. He is just an absolute freak and is going to be terrorizing offenses for a long long time.

bored of education
10-06-2012, 08:42 PM
He is so nasty. Top 3 pick next year if not number 1/

DcmRulz
10-06-2012, 09:24 PM
Clowney is a demigod that appears to make the rest of his defense better by his being there.

He's clearly not of this world, and I'd think (barring an injury or off-field issue) the surefire #1 pick in 2014 or 2015

descendency
10-06-2012, 11:17 PM
I think I was mocked when I said this in a thread a week or so ago.

If I had the #1 pick in 2014, he'd be on my team unless someone rises up as a QB and shows me they are worth taking #1 overall. (because right now, I don't see 1 QB in the NCAA worth a #1 pick)

SchizophrenicBatman
10-07-2012, 01:21 AM
someone dig up my thread on taking him in the first round as a senior in high school

FUNBUNCHER
10-07-2012, 01:42 AM
Clowney is rare enough to make a team change it's base D from a 3-4 to a 4-3.

Asking him to cover is a waste of time and his talents.

Gio94
10-07-2012, 05:45 AM
I agree, but not completely... if a qb with franchise potential will be available i don't think that a team with the first overall will pick a DE, when they can obtain a potential elite signal caller... it's a 50-50 situation... i know Clowney is a special player, but it could be a 2002 (Carr over Peppers) as a 2006 (Williams over Young)

AntoinCD
10-07-2012, 08:22 AM
Jadeveon Clowney is the best player in CFB regardless of class. I have watched 4 SC games this year and at times it's like watching a pro bowl NFL player in a high school game.

He has prototypical length and build, elite burst, a great motor, varied pass rushing moves, core strength in run defense and a good yet still developing technique.

I have not seen a better prospect regardless of position, Calvin Johnson included. If this guy is not the #1 pick in 2014 then there better be a damn good QB or else someone's gonna get fired

Ozzy
10-07-2012, 09:03 AM
AntoinCD Jadeveon Clowney is the best player in CFB regardless of class. I have watched 4 SC games this year and at times it's like watching a pro bowl NFL player in a high school game.

He has prototypical length and build, elite burst, a great motor, varied pass rushing moves, core strength in run defense and a good yet still developing technique.

I have not seen a better prospect regardless of position, Calvin Johnson included. If this guy is not the #1 pick in 2014 then there better be a damn good QB or else someone's gonna get firedI would not go that far, saying he is the best prospect I have ever seen. For me Julius Peppers was pretty up there, as was Vince Wilfork and Sean Taylor not to mention Larry Fitzgerald. So Clowney is amazing but not sure I would put him as the best prospect I have ever seen.


But for 2014, no way he does not go #1, who beats him out? Tyler Bray if he comes back for his senior year...Casey Pachall if he comes back...Seantrel Henderson if he comes back... or current sophomores Jeff Driskel or Cyrus Kouandjio? Really none of them, especially not Bray or Pachall. Driskel has the best shot but even that is really kind of a stretch.


Still trying to find a clip of him jumping over that blocker though, that was insane, I have ever seen that from a defensive end!

Don Vito
10-07-2012, 09:17 AM
He jumped over a blocker at least twice last night and he just made it look effortless. I am so happy he did not go to Bama or LSU. There have been some great prospects in the past few seasons, but I'd say Megatron and Clowney were the only two guys I would label as can't miss. Knocking on wood obviously, but if Clowney stays healthy and out of trouble (never heard anything bad about him) he looks like everything you could ever hope to draft.

rawdawg
10-07-2012, 10:18 AM
Melvin Ingram was a top 20 pick because of Clowney. Devin Taylor won't be because of Clowney (Taylor not dominating when Clowney is getting all the attention).

He's been a shoe-in top 5 pick since he was in high school. All he had to do is not get hurt and show enough flashes. Clearly he has shown more than flashes and been flat out electric. The current Soph class is loaded, and he was the best of them coming out....he will be the best when they go to the next level. Whether he is the #1 pick or not depends on the QBs coming out. Best player doesn't always go #1, and he'll be the best whenever he enters the NFL draft. Last night's performance was just stupid.

Ozzy
10-07-2012, 10:30 AM
rawdawg Melvin Ingram was a top 20 pick because of Clowney. Devin Taylor won't be because of Clowney (Taylor not dominating when Clowney is getting all the attention).

He's been a shoe-in top 5 pick since he was in high school. All he had to do is not get hurt and show enough flashes. Clearly he has shown more than flashes and been flat out electric. The current Soph class is loaded, and he was the best of them coming out....he will be the best when they go to the next level. Whether he is the #1 pick or not depends on the QBs coming out. Best player doesn't always go #1, and he'll be the best whenever he enters the NFL draft. Last night's performance was just stupid.I disagree with you saying Taylor is not playing well, Taylor is a damn good player and in some ways could be much better as an athletic tall 3/4 OLB. Do not underrate Taylor, he is going to be a 1st rounder I feel.

As for last year and Melvin Ingram, Clowney did not play every down last year, he did not get that many snaps at all in some games. And to say Ingram's success was because of Clowney when at times he was not even on the field is just incorrect.

Never been a big fan of saying this player is good because of that player. You could say that about every deep defensive line in college football history. Could say that about current LSU, Florida State and South Carolina fronts. They all really benefit from each other, if you compare if Timmy Jernigan went to Indiana, he could not be as effective obviously as he is on Florida State.

To say Clowney does not have help is not correct. Kid is easily the best player on the line, and benefits from all the other good players on that line as well. Quarles, Taylor and Sutton are all going to be in the NFL along with Clowney, so it is not like he is playing with bums there.

rawdawg
10-07-2012, 10:44 AM
I disagree with you saying Taylor is not playing well, Taylor is a damn good player and in some ways could be much better as an athletic tall 3/4 OLB. Do not underrate Taylor, he is going to be a 1st rounder I feel.

As for last year and Melvin Ingram, Clowney did not play every down last year, he did not get that many snaps at all in some games. And to say Ingram's success was because of Clowney when at times he was not even on the field is just incorrect.

Never been a big fan of saying this player is good because of that player. You could say that about every deep defensive line in college football history. Could say that about current LSU, Florida State and South Carolina fronts. They all really benefit from each other, if you compare if Timmy Jernigan went to Indiana, he could not be as effective obviously as he is on Florida State.

To say Clowney does not have help is not correct. Kid is easily the best player on the line, and benefits from all the other good players on that line as well. Quarles, Taylor and Sutton are all going to be in the NFL along with Clowney, so it is not like he is playing with bums there.

Taylor has always been regarded as having top 15-20 potential. But he's not putting up those type of numbers despite Clowney taking some of the attention off of him. And I don't think he'll be a 1st rounder, if for nothing else, because of the elite talent at his position this year. I don't see Devin Taylor going ahead of Jarvis Jones, Mingo, or Montgomery. And as of right now, he's behind all of Werner, Carradine, Lemonier, and probably Buchanon for me. Could even make a case for Okafor, Jeffcoat, Gholston, Simon, and Gayle. Then there's Dion Jordan, Hunt, Datone Jones, and Damontre Moore. He's listed behind all but Carradine of the seniors on this very site. And it's pretty clear several of those JRs are better prospects. So, you're talking about the 10th best pass rusher, at best. That's not a 1st round pick. That being said, that's not to underrate him. He's a good football player. He might even be better than most of the guys I named when all is said and done. But I couldn't draft him over any of the first 7 I named. And probably a few others when you consider production and projectability of all of them.

As for Ingram, my point was, when Clowney was on the field, Ingram either moved inside and showed increased versatility. Or he was on the opposite end of Clowney and got a lot of 1-on-1 matchups. Ingram is/was still a good player, but he went from a potential mid round pick to top 20 after Clowney got on campus.

bucfan12
10-07-2012, 11:26 AM
I would not go that far, saying he is the best prospect I have ever seen. For me Julius Peppers was pretty up there, as was Vince Wilfork and Sean Taylor not to mention Larry Fitzgerald. So Clowney is amazing but not sure I would put him as the best prospect I have ever seen.


But for 2014, no way he does not go #1, who beats him out? Tyler Bray if he comes back for his senior year...Casey Pachall if he comes back...Seantrel Henderson if he comes back... or current sophomores Jeff Driskel or Cyrus Kouandjio? Really none of them, especially not Bray or Pachall. Driskel has the best shot but even that is really kind of a stretch.


Still trying to find a clip of him jumping over that blocker though, that was insane, I have ever seen that from a defensive end!



HAHAHAHA Tyler Bray...Casey Pachall. What are you smoking?

Pit Bull #53
10-07-2012, 11:29 AM
I want to see Bama vs. SCAR in the SEC championship just so I can watch Clowney vs. Kouandjio all game long.

BuckeyeDan17
10-07-2012, 11:29 AM
"Personal foul, rare freakishness, player does **** no human can do, 15 yard penalty, automatic pity first down" Should have been called a few times.

Ozzy
10-07-2012, 11:50 AM
rawdawg

Taylor has always been regarded as having top 15-20 potential. But he's not putting up those type of numbers despite Clowney taking some of the attention off of him. And I don't think he'll be a 1st rounder, if for nothing else, because of the elite talent at his position this year. I don't see Devin Taylor going ahead of Jarvis Jones, Mingo, or Montgomery. And as of right now, he's behind all of Werner, Carradine, Lemonier, and probably Buchanon for me. Could even make a case for Okafor, Jeffcoat, Gholston, Simon, and Gayle. Then there's Dion Jordan, Hunt, Datone Jones, and Damontre Moore. He's listed behind all but Carradine of the seniors on this very site. And it's pretty clear several of those JRs are better prospects. So, you're talking about the 10th best pass rusher, at best. That's not a 1st round pick. That being said, that's not to underrate him. He's a good football player. He might even be better than most of the guys I named when all is said and done. But I couldn't draft him over any of the first 7 I named. And probably a few others when you consider production and projectability of all of them.

As for Ingram, my point was, when Clowney was on the field, Ingram either moved inside and showed increased versatility. Or he was on the opposite end of Clowney and got a lot of 1-on-1 matchups. Ingram is/was still a good player, but he went from a potential mid round pick to top 20 after Clowney got on campus.That makes sense, I am not sure I would take Lemonier over Taylor same with Carradine, that is a little closer though.

Really depends on if one views Taylor as a 3/4 OLB, if one does he moves up a little and if one does not he could move down like you said. Okafor is good but I would take Taylor over him as well just as a down 4/3 DE, same with Jeffcoat possibly. Gholston is a tough call, probably go Gholston just on his physical size. Simon I have as a 3/4 OLB, and as a 3/4 OLB I would take Taylor over him and Gayle there is no contest, Taylor. Datone Jones is way overrated in my book.

But yeah all depends on how one ranks the other players on the defensive line and 3/4 outside linebacker, I personally have Taylor over a lot of those guys.



bucfan12

HAHAHAHA Tyler Bray...Casey Pachall. What are you smoking?Very true, at this moment they both leave a lot to be desired, just showing that it is not all that likely a quarterback will be picked over Clowney next year. Those are two of the possible juniors this year along with Logan Thomas who could come back and contend for the #1 QB spot next year. But like I said I doubt either one will pull it off and improve enough.

Ozzy
10-07-2012, 11:57 AM
Finally found the clip of him jumping over that blocker, posted it above, and I think he did the same to an offensive lineman as well, this was just a running back but still......

bucfan12
10-07-2012, 12:02 PM
That makes sense, I am not sure I would take Lemonier over Taylor same with Carradine, that is a little closer though.




Very true, at this moment they both leave a lot to be desired, just showing that it is not all that likely a quarterback will be picked over Clowney next year. Those are two of the possible juniors this year along with Logan Thomas who could come back and contend for the #1 QB spot next year. But like I said I doubt either one will pull it off and improve enough.

Man, the 2014 QB class really doesnt look that promising does it? i mean, Bray/Thomas/Pachalle? Makes reaching for one in 2013 seem like a lot better decison doesnt it?

Ozzy
10-07-2012, 12:08 PM
bucfan12




Man, the 2014 QB class really doesnt look that promising does it? i mean, Bray/Thomas/Pachalle? Makes reaching for one in 2013 seem like a lot better decison doesnt it?
True but like I said originally, could argue in taking Clowney #1 even if he went up against Geno Smith and Matt Barkley this year.

As for the sophomore quarterbacks, they look a lot better than they did last year. I had a thread last year about how bad they where, but Driskel did not play much and clearly that kid will pick it up for that class. Mannion is promising as well and Bo Wallace has potential. So it is looking better than it did last year.

Jeff Driskel Florida
Sean Mannion Oregon State
Teddy Bridgewater Louisville
Bo Wallace Ole Miss
Gary Nova Rutgers
Jake Heaps Kansas
Jared Barnett Iowa State



So far the freshman class is looking good. Really wish LSU would go ahead an start Rivers, I mean why not.

QB
Joel Stave Wisconsin
Stephen Rivers LSU RS
Brett Hundley UCLA
Perry Hills Maryland


Pit Bull #53 I want to see Bama vs. SCAR in the SEC championship just so I can watch Clowney vs. Kouandjio all game long.I might be wrong but I do not think Kouandjio played, it was Fluker and Jones at tackle I thought, Kouandjio only played in blow outs, but I might be wrong...

SchizophrenicBatman
10-07-2012, 12:37 PM
I looked up the thread

9 people, or about 25% of the poll wouldve taken him in the first round. We knew

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44494&highlight=jadeveon+clowney

StickSkills
10-18-2012, 03:57 AM
Clowney is rare enough to make a team change it's base D from a 3-4 to a 4-3.

Asking him to cover is a waste of time and his talents.

So are you saying that if you're the Chiefs with the #1 pick, to go ahead and switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 with Hali as the opposite DE?

FUNBUNCHER
10-18-2012, 05:25 AM
So are you saying that if you're the Chiefs with the #1 pick, to go ahead and switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 with Hali as the opposite DE?


THere's different ways to approach it but I definitely would have Clowney playing with his hand in the dirt and not try to convert him to OLB. But yeah I do think KC has the personnel to switch to a 4-3 if Hali can play DE.
Really most teams play so many different packages throughout the course of a game, a 'base D' is just a general term.

Shane P. Hallam
10-18-2012, 07:26 AM
It is inteesting to look at DEs who went #1 overall. Unless your last name is Smith, they have had their struggles (depending on how you view Mario Williams). Though, I'm sure the expansion Texans wish they had taken Julius Peppers over David Carr.

Clowney is such a monster, unless injury or arrest hits, it is tough to imagine him not going Top 5. Maybe a QB emerging budges Clowney from #1, but he is the clear favorite.

CashmoneyDrew
10-18-2012, 11:14 AM
Obvious number one pick next year. However, if I'm a coach I'm giving him **** for leaving his feet to get past a one-on-one block from a runningback.

PeterMurray
10-18-2012, 11:46 AM
Clowney has to be the number one guy on the board but that doesn't mean he has to go first... Quarterback is still the position that goes with the first pick especially with the new draft payments. Logan Thomas (if he doesn't go this year) or Teddy Bridgwater could go ahead of him despite the fact that Clowney is the best player. Clowney would be the first guy on my board this year too.

Babylon
10-20-2012, 06:37 PM
Clowney reminds me of a young Lawrence Taylor and i don't throw accolades around as a rule. Looks much the part of an All World OLB at the next level.

AcheTen (Thumper)
10-23-2012, 12:08 AM
Taking a DE #1 overall is stupid, no matter how great that DE is as a prospect.

Just look at Courtney Brown as an example.

Look at the Rams picking Chris Long over Matt Ryan / Joe Flacco. Long was a great prospect and is a solid player in the NFL, but do you think the Rams (especially Spagnuolo) might want a re-do of that right now?


If you're picking #1 overall it usually means you don't have a franchise QB. And if you pick a DE instead of a QB with that #1 overall pick, then you are committing a fire-able offense. A team without a franchise QB has absolutely no business whatsoever picking any position except for QB in the top 5.

AcheTen (Thumper)
10-23-2012, 12:13 AM
It is inteesting to look at DEs who went #1 overall. Unless your last name is Smith, they have had their struggles (depending on how you view Mario Williams). Though, I'm sure the expansion Texans wish they had taken Julius Peppers over David Carr.


If the Texans had taken Peppers, they wouldn't have been any better, and in fact, might have been worse.

The Texans were in simply a very bad situation as an expansion franchise without much talent.

They did the right thing: picking a franchise QB because they did not have one on the roster.

They were simply destined to fail early on, however. There just wasn't enough talent on that roster.


Clowney is such a monster, unless injury or arrest hits, it is tough to imagine him not going Top 5. Maybe a QB emerging budges Clowney from #1, but he is the clear favorite.

This is what we were saying about Suh in 2010. He was such an elite DL prospect that people were actually wondering if the Rams would pick him with the #1 pick. Obviously, reason prevailed and the Rams passed on Suh to take a franchise QB (long overdue).

The same thing will happen with Clowney. As good of a DE prospect he is, the team picking #1 overall will probably be in need of a QB, and will rightfully pass on the DE to take the far more important position of QB.

Babylon
10-23-2012, 10:55 AM
Taking a DE #1 overall is stupid, no matter how great that DE is as a prospect.

Just look at Courtney Brown as an example.

Look at the Rams picking Chris Long over Matt Ryan / Joe Flacco. Long was a great prospect and is a solid player in the NFL, but do you think the Rams (especially Spagnuolo) might want a re-do of that right now?


If you're picking #1 overall it usually means you don't have a franchise QB. And if you pick a DE instead of a QB with that #1 overall pick, then you are committing a fire-able offense. A team without a franchise QB has absolutely no business whatsoever picking any position except for QB in the top 5.

I think you're right in your philosophy but the players involved have to be somewhat close in their rankings. I wouldn't pass on a Clowney who is probably as close to a ten as you're going to get, for a QB, just because i might need one. If the QB is going to be Troy Aikman and the OLB is going to be Derrick Thomas then your philosophy is the right one.

mdmgrand
10-23-2012, 01:20 PM
Looking at Courtney Brown, Julius Peppers and Mario Williams... I still think Clowney has a bit to go. He's close to Williams, who was good on the field but really wowed people with his ridiculous combine results at his size.

Watch highlights of Brown and Peppers and they are simply just amazing and you can tell they are the best player on the field. Brown may have been helped by having Arrington, but just looking at him he had so much power and speed; it's a shame what injuries did to him.

MassNole
10-23-2012, 01:22 PM
Taking a DE #1 overall is stupid, no matter how great that DE is as a prospect.

Just look at Courtney Brown as an example.

Look at the Rams picking Chris Long over Matt Ryan / Joe Flacco. Long was a great prospect and is a solid player in the NFL, but do you think the Rams (especially Spagnuolo) might want a re-do of that right now?


If you're picking #1 overall it usually means you don't have a franchise QB. And if you pick a DE instead of a QB with that #1 overall pick, then you are committing a fire-able offense. A team without a franchise QB has absolutely no business whatsoever picking any position except for QB in the top 5.

So then the Houston Texans GM should have been fired for taking Mario Williams over "the next Barry Sanders" and 2 Franchise QBs?

AntoinCD
10-23-2012, 01:39 PM
QB value normally does trump everything, however this is not something which is written in stone every single time.

Clowney looks as good, or better than any defensive player in recent times, including Suh (bear in mind Clowney is still only a sophomore and Suh didn't really look like a top pick until his senior year). Unless there is a very good QB prospect (which is questionable at this point) then it doesn't make much sense to simply take the QB.

The difficult question is how much added value does a QB add when compared to Clowney?

I do suppose it also depends on who makes the selection. For instance of Cleveland picks Mingo this year that would give them Sheard and Mingo on the edges. However it would be clear if they pick 1st next year that Weeden isn't the answer. QB at this point makes sense.

However, if Kansas City pick 1st in 2014 after drafting Geno Smith this year then it would be foolish to select a QB over Clowney.

General trends and rules of thumb are great to use to predict what might happen, however circumstance will determine whether or not Clowney goes first overall - it is almost a lock he will be the best player

vidae
10-23-2012, 01:46 PM
I would be both shocked and upset if the Chiefs pick first overall two years in a row. I wouldn't be upset drafting Geno and Clowney though..

descendency
10-27-2012, 02:17 PM
Tennessee OT Richardson just threw Clowney 3-4 yards with 1 arm.

P-L
10-27-2012, 02:27 PM
Tennessee OT Richardson just threw Clowney 3-4 yards with 1 arm.
Clowney has really struggled against Richardson today, but he did get the last laugh. Just blew by Richardson and forced the game clinching fumble.

DcmRulz
10-27-2012, 02:49 PM
Clowney had a decent game with an injured foot. Is he a man or machine?

ph90702
10-27-2012, 02:52 PM
Taking a DE #1 overall is stupid, no matter how great that DE is as a prospect.

Just look at Courtney Brown as an example.

Look at the Rams picking Chris Long over Matt Ryan / Joe Flacco. Long was a great prospect and is a solid player in the NFL, but do you think the Rams (especially Spagnuolo) might want a re-do of that right now?


If you're picking #1 overall it usually means you don't have a franchise QB. And if you pick a DE instead of a QB with that #1 overall pick, then you are committing a fire-able offense. A team without a franchise QB has absolutely no business whatsoever picking any position except for QB in the top 5.

So, if a team takes a 1st round quarterback in the prior year, then they can take a DE #1 overall the next year?

It's not dumb to take a DE #1 overall if the best quarterback available isn't a franchise quarterback.

Ozzy
10-29-2012, 08:58 PM
descendency Tennessee OT Richardson just threw Clowney 3-4 yards with 1 arm.That was one hell of a play by Richardson, but overall when it matter most Clowney got him, but that Tennessee line did impresse a lot.

hall12
10-29-2012, 09:40 PM
I looked up the thread

9 people, or about 25% of the poll would've taken him in the first round. We knew

socentre44
11-05-2012, 02:06 PM
Clowney is the clear #1 for now but keep your eye on Oregon's RS Frosh QB Marcus Mariota.

If he continues to develop, I think he'll be a legitimate top 3 pick after his redshirt sophomore season and potentially considered an RGIII type prospect. He reminds of Aaron Rodgers when he was in college but much faster.

Docta
11-05-2012, 02:30 PM
Clowney is the clear #1 for now but keep your eye on Oregon's RS Frosh QB Marcus Mariota.

If he continues to develop, I think he'll be a legitimate top 3 pick after his redshirt sophomore season and potentially considered an RGIII type prospect. He reminds of Aaron Rodgers when he was in college but much faster.
He's a freshman brah. Wouldn't even be eligible for 2014.

jrdrylie
11-05-2012, 02:35 PM
He's a freshman brah. Wouldn't even be eligible for 2014.

He's a sophomore.

socentre44
11-05-2012, 03:53 PM
He's a freshman brah. Wouldn't even be eligible for 2014.

He's a redshirt freshman this year and 2014 draft eligible.

He'll be making an Andrew Luck type decision after the 2013 season on whether to declare or stay for his redshirt junior year.

jrdrylie
11-05-2012, 03:57 PM
He's a redshirt freshman this year and 2014 draft eligible.

He'll be making an Andrew Luck type decision after the 2013 season on whether to declare or stay for his redshirt junior year.

Edit: Nevermind

villagewarrior
11-05-2012, 04:07 PM
THere's different ways to approach it but I definitely would have Clowney playing with his hand in the dirt and not try to convert him to OLB. But yeah I do think KC has the personnel to switch to a 4-3 if Hali can play DE.
Really most teams play so many different packages throughout the course of a game, a 'base D' is just a general term.

Hali can play 43 end. That's where he played when drafted orginally and that is essentially what he plays now as a 34 OLB. Very rarely have I seen him drop into coverage.

Babylon
11-05-2012, 04:11 PM
Clowney is the clear #1 for now but keep your eye on Oregon's RS Frosh QB Marcus Mariota.

If he continues to develop, I think he'll be a legitimate top 3 pick after his redshirt sophomore season and potentially considered an RGIII type prospect. He reminds of Aaron Rodgers when he was in college but much faster.

I like Mariota but not sure if he's not the next Colin Kaeperick. Plenty of time for him to get some more arm strength. I'm still plugging Jeff Driskel for either the first or second pick in two years. He has all the tools to be a star and plays in a league that is getting him ready for the NFL as opposed to some run and shoot version like they run at some of these schools nowadays.

gpngc
11-05-2012, 05:09 PM
I was thinking about this a few days ago and this thread is perfect to bring it up...

2014 is going to be a MUCH stronger draft class than 2013...

I can think of 5 marquee STUDS not including some big-time OT prospects:

1) Clowney
2) Sammy Watkins
3) Marquis Lee
4) Terry Bridgewater
5) DAT

On the topic of DAT. Every year when smallish guys who make plays regardless are given the 'small' tag they prove it wrong. EVERY YEAR. The NFL is archaic with their size-range prototypes for each position.

T.Y. Hilton, Percy Harvin, DeSean, Darren Sproles. DAT *should* be a top-10 pick easily. We'll see if anyone has the courage to take him there.

Shane P. Hallam
11-06-2012, 03:56 PM
Clowney will require surgery on his foot this offseason for an undisclosed injury

Ozzy
11-06-2012, 07:06 PM
gpngc I was thinking about this a few days ago and this thread is perfect to bring it up...

2014 is going to be a MUCH stronger draft class than 2013...

I can think of 5 marquee STUDS not including some big-time OT prospects:

1) Clowney
2) Sammy Watkins
3) Marquis Lee
4) Terry Bridgewater
5) DAT

On the topic of DAT. Every year when smallish guys who make plays regardless are given the 'small' tag they prove it wrong. EVERY YEAR. The NFL is archaic with their size-range prototypes for each position.

T.Y. Hilton, Percy Harvin, DeSean, Darren Sproles. DAT *should* be a top-10 pick easily. We'll see if anyone has the courage to take him there.Bridgewater is solid but I doubt he would ever be that high of a pick, give me Driskel or Zach Mettenberger if he keeps playing like he did against Alabama as a possible #1 guy. As for DeAnthony Thomas I assume, he is a good player but in no way is like Percy Harvin, Harvin was far more strong, tough and physically gifted. Thomas is quick and fast, he is not going to break many arm tackles with strength and run straight up the gut from the running back position. Watkins and Lee could compete for that spot but all depends on who goes out, if Seantrel Henderson stays like I said he would be hard to pass up potentially.

And I disagree, 2013 class is not too bad at all, depending on what juniors come out early of course, if a lot of them do it could be a very strong group.


Shane P. Hallam Clowney will require surgery on his foot this offseason for an undisclosed injuryCannot be that bad if he can still play on it, and I would be far more worried if it was his knee.

TACKLE
11-10-2012, 10:34 PM
I know he was unblocked but this guy is a decent athlete for his size.

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mqtirishfan
11-10-2012, 10:46 PM
Every time I see this thread bumped, I prepare to see something incredible. Love this guy.

P-L
11-10-2012, 10:56 PM
How do you not even try to block him?