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princefielder28
06-21-2009, 12:14 PM
Casey McGehee with an opposite field HR to break up the no hitter ;)

1-0 Brewers

Casey continues to impress, great pickup by Melvin.

Smokey Joe
06-21-2009, 01:14 PM
I really like Prince Fielder, you guys should trade him to the White Sox.

cvv84
06-21-2009, 01:16 PM
I really like Prince Fielder, you guys should trade him to the White Sox.

Give it a year.

cvv84
06-21-2009, 01:37 PM
WTF, our pitchers are just serving up HRs like crazy lately. 3-1 Tigers and its not looking good now since we can barely muster hits off Verlander.

EvilMonkey
06-21-2009, 06:50 PM
Personally I want to give Chris Cody a shot in the rotation. Lefty with great control who recently has been pitching for Nashville after starting in Huntsville. Combined 2.14 ERA with 56K to 14BB. Might be throwing him into the fire too quick, but I don't know what other options are gonna be out there.

Call up a different guy with a little more AAA experience like Dillard and see what he has? Give McClung another shot? Hope Parra figures it out or Bush's arm gets back to ok? I'm just so sick of this starting rotation and something needs to change, curious what other's opinions are.

princefielder28
06-21-2009, 10:53 PM
I would not mind seeing Chris Cody either. It can't hurt to throw the kid into the fire and see what he can do. It can't be any worse than the 3 or 4 innings that we are getting from the majority of the starters right now. It wouldn't hurt for the offense to show up more consistently either.

cvv84
06-22-2009, 12:06 PM
They have to give McClung a shot at the rotation first. He's already in house and we don't have to use player options yet on a guy like Cody. I think they could eventually call up Tim Dillard, R.J. Swindle, or Chase Wright first.

I wish that Jeffress was more developed at this stage so they could at least put him in the pen. He's been pitching better and showing better control since being moved down a level but he needs to be able to pitch that way at Huntsville.

princefielder28
06-22-2009, 01:58 PM
I'm gonna throw out a possible solution and I wanna hear what you guys think.

Ben Sheets

cvv84
06-22-2009, 02:14 PM
I'm gonna throw out a possible solution and I wanna hear what you guys think.

Ben Sheets

If the price was right, yes. I think though that the Rangers would be his choice though. He doesn't have to bat and he'd be re-united with Mike Maddox.

EvilMonkey
06-22-2009, 10:46 PM
They have to give McClung a shot at the rotation first. He's already in house and we don't have to use player options yet on a guy like Cody. I think they could eventually call up Tim Dillard, R.J. Swindle, or Chase Wright first.

I wish that Jeffress was more developed at this stage so they could at least put him in the pen. He's been pitching better and showing better control since being moved down a level but he needs to be able to pitch that way at Huntsville.

why wouldnt we want to use up player options on a guy like Cody? He's a smart 25 year old lefty with a decent arm and good control, not that much more than that. I don't see him developing much more than he already is, fastball in the upper 80s, decent but not dominant secondary pitches, but he knows how to get guys out so why not give him a shot and see what he can do?

I'm wouldn't be upset with McClung getting a shot in the rotation, but that also opens up a big hole in the pen. McClung isn't the best guy or anything, but he can go out there and much multiple innings every day it seems like if need be and having that guy who can just get you through a few innings to get to the back end of the bullpen has immense value.

cvv84
06-22-2009, 11:03 PM
why wouldnt we want to use up player options on a guy like Cody? He's a smart 25 year old lefty with a decent arm and good control, not that much more than that. I don't see him developing much more than he already is, fastball in the upper 80s, decent but not dominant secondary pitches, but he knows how to get guys out so why not give him a shot and see what he can do?

I'm wouldn't be upset with McClung getting a shot in the rotation, but that also opens up a big hole in the pen. McClung isn't the best guy or anything, but he can go out there and much multiple innings every day it seems like if need be and having that guy who can just get you through a few innings to get to the back end of the bullpen has immense value.

I guess I'm saying give McClung a shot before having to burn an option and call someone up. The pen is already shot though. We have plenty of MR's to cover McClung if he doesn get a chance to start.

Smokey Joe
06-23-2009, 11:42 AM
White Sox will give you guys Jose Contreras for Jeremy Jeffress :)

cvv84
06-23-2009, 04:36 PM
Mike Burns was called up today while Dave Bush was placed on the 15 day DL.

princefielder28
06-23-2009, 04:43 PM
Mike Burns was called up today while Dave Bush was placed on the 15 day DL.

Interesting....the rotation is in shambles right now and the offense is going to need to step up to avoid any more falling in the standings.

cvv84
06-23-2009, 08:15 PM
This is pathetic. Hardy botches an easy double play and then the Twins score with a double to the next hitter. This team just keeps kicking themselves and the pitching continues to struggle.

princefielder28
06-23-2009, 09:02 PM
This is pathetic. Hardy botches an easy double play and then the Twins score with a double to the next hitter. This team just keeps kicking themselves and the pitching continues to struggle.

Suppan hasn't pitched poorly; it's tough to pitch when you give teams four or five outs an inning.

princefielder28
06-23-2009, 09:08 PM
Hall needs to keep his eye on the ball, not the left field bleachers.

cvv84
06-23-2009, 09:46 PM
And why does Bill Hall continue to get ABs? I wish Gamel could play better defense because I'm sick of watching Hall K every other AB...

princefielder28
06-24-2009, 08:20 PM
Off of Looper and Prince catches it...haha

princefielder28
06-24-2009, 09:01 PM
Stetter continues to be great

princefielder28
06-24-2009, 09:24 PM
Kendall producing offensively :D

Boston
06-24-2009, 09:25 PM
Jason Kendall ties ballgames.

cvv84
06-24-2009, 09:31 PM
Kendall producing offensively :D

Unbelievable.

Whistler6
06-25-2009, 06:26 AM
Such a gutty win...The Crew was on the verge of going into "free fall" mode, and they pull out a close game, at home, against a team who has beaten them up for the past couple seasons wherever they've played.

Need this series, more for confidence I think.

cvv84
06-25-2009, 02:56 PM
McGehee with a 2 run HR! What a nice pickup he was.

Boston
06-25-2009, 04:11 PM
Why's it taking so long to realize that Narveson should not be anywhere near the big leagues?

princefielder28
06-25-2009, 09:21 PM
Why's it taking so long to realize that Narveson should not be anywhere near the big leagues?

Great question

Chris Smith, on the other hand, is pitching great

cvv84
06-26-2009, 07:27 PM
well our top pitching prospect, Jermey Jeffress, was just suspended for 100 games for violating the substance abuse policy for the 2nd time. Once more and its a lifetime ban.

GB12
06-26-2009, 09:45 PM
Gallardo is damn good.

GB12
06-26-2009, 10:09 PM
well our top pitching prospect, Jermey Jeffress, was just suspended for 100 games for violating the substance abuse policy for the 2nd time. Once more and its a lifetime ban.
God damn it. The thing is that it isn't even performance enhancing drugs that he keeps getting busted for, it's marijuana.

I mean come on, he's throwing away his chance to be a major league starter just so he can smoke a little weed. He's staying clean from steroids and using his natural talent. He has the stuff to play at a high level without performance enhancers, but then ***** it up by smoking pot when he knows he's getting tested for it. Once was bad, but I gave him a bit of a break because he was only 19 when he was caught the first time. To keep doing it after already being caught and suspended 50 games is inexcusable though.

princefielder28
06-26-2009, 11:33 PM
I wish Corey Hart (.241 in June) and Mike Cameron (.162 in June) would start hitting and providing the bottom of the order with some threat. It seems that after the 4th or 5th spot that there's no chance of scoring.

umphrey
06-26-2009, 11:49 PM
Went to the game today. Tons of fun. Actually got on the jumbo tron for a few seconds. B.J. Raji and Clay Mathews were on the mound before the game and (probably) threw a pitch...not much else to say about them.

cvv84
06-27-2009, 08:24 PM
What a game so far. Prince socks a 3 run HR, followed up with a McGehee HR to tie the game. Then Cameron robs a HR! 4-4 so far

cvv84
06-27-2009, 09:03 PM
Sure enough, Macha trots Hoffman out there in the 9th with the game tied 4-4. 3 singles and 2 sac flies later its 6-4 Giants...

cvv84
06-27-2009, 09:23 PM
Brewers manage to tie it up in the 9th!! 2 on with 1 out, Braun up to bat...

the_legend_killer
06-27-2009, 09:26 PM
Winner! That's a comeback to bail out Hoffman.

cvv84
06-27-2009, 09:26 PM
Braun strikes out but Fielder hits a walkoff single!! Brewers win 7-6

Smokey Joe
06-27-2009, 09:42 PM
You guys should seriously trade the White Sox Prince Fielder for Aaron Poreda.

princefielder28
06-27-2009, 10:23 PM
win of the year! this was a roller coaster of a game but it always feels good to be on the winning side of a game like this

umphrey
06-28-2009, 02:34 PM
Gamel playing very good defense tday. No reason whatsoever to play Bill Hall unless Gamel drops into a major slump and has to go back to AAA or something.

cvv84
06-28-2009, 02:52 PM
Gamel playing very good defense tday. No reason whatsoever to play Bill Hall unless Gamel drops into a major slump and has to go back to AAA or something.

Agreed. Gamel has the same problem that Braun did at 3rd, he could field the ball just fine but the throws get rushed which leads to the errors. I don't like Gamel leading off though. If Counsell can't go or needs rest, use Hart IMO.

princefielder28
06-28-2009, 11:01 PM
Just some notes....

Brewers showed interest in Mark DeRosa but didn't have the young, major league ready pitching that the Indians were looking for.

The Crew has talked to the D'Backs; Felipe Lopez and Doug Davis seem to be the players of interest.

Boston
06-29-2009, 08:11 PM
Casey McGehee = Legend

cvv84
06-29-2009, 08:14 PM
Casey McGehee = Legend

WOW! His error costs us 2 runs but he gets those back plus 2! Thanks Cubbies!

princefielder28
06-29-2009, 08:39 PM
Bill Hall drives in a run?

jackalope
06-30-2009, 01:24 PM
Headed to Milwaukee for the game today. First time in 3 years.

cvv84
06-30-2009, 08:33 PM
Looks like the circus made it to Milwaukee - and is wearing Mets unis!

the_legend_killer
06-30-2009, 09:10 PM
Solid start for Burns.

princefielder28
06-30-2009, 09:12 PM
Look at it go!

cvv84
06-30-2009, 09:12 PM
Priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiince!

princefielder28
06-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Solid start for Burns.

...and he earns his first major league victory

congrats!

ATLDirtyBirds
06-30-2009, 09:58 PM
On the Mets broadcast, Keith Hernandez compared Todd Coffey to a sausage when he runs onto the field. I found it amusing.

EvilMonkey
06-30-2009, 10:31 PM
sausages dont have huge man-tits. terrible comparison

cvv84
07-01-2009, 03:22 PM
Come on guys, lets get Yo some runs!!! A career high 12k's for him today but he's on the wrong side of a 1-0 game.

princefielder28
07-01-2009, 09:48 PM
Come on guys, lets get Yo some runs!!! A career high 12k's for him today but he's on the wrong side of a 1-0 game.

It's too bad that the offense couldn't get Yo any runs, but for Yo personally I think performance will help get him to St. Louis for the ASG.

EvilMonkey
07-02-2009, 05:07 PM
no concrete rumors or anything, but I've heard people speculate that the Brewers would be a good fit for Doug Davis being dealt back to them at the deadline. Zona is in last place and I don't think we'd have to give up too much for him since it's the last year of his deal and let's face it he isn't dominant or anything, but he'd be a good fit as the solid lefty missing in this rotation.

Thoughts?

the_legend_killer
07-02-2009, 05:48 PM
DD coming back would be perfectly fine by me.

princefielder28
07-02-2009, 07:48 PM
McClung with a rough start, fortunately Cameron goes deep

the_legend_killer
07-02-2009, 08:32 PM
I like Big Red, but tonight shows he should not be starting. Call up Dillard and send down Narveson.

princefielder28
07-02-2009, 11:06 PM
I like Big Red, but tonight shows he should not be starting. Call up Dillard and send down Narveson.

I don't think Dillard is the option anymore given his recent struggles. Josh Butler, a kid who started this season in high A ball, is pitching the best of anyone at AAA, and the main thing is that he throws strikes and doesn't given away free chances. Chase Wright has also been solid so it'll be interesting to see which direction Melvin and Co. go.

GB12
07-02-2009, 11:17 PM
I think we have to stick it out with McClung until Bush comes back.

princefielder28
07-03-2009, 03:34 PM
Nice start from Suppan today

The bottom half of the lineup continues to struggle, lineup sucks anyways (kendall 1st?)

Pacific
07-03-2009, 05:44 PM
McGehee and Cameron's pop-ups in the fouth with the bases loaded were a killer. Typical Brewers offense. Also, Brian and Bill were outraged at the walk by DiFelice, but it was definitely ball four.

yodabear
07-03-2009, 05:56 PM
McGehee and Cameron's pop-ups in the fouth with the bases loaded were a killer. Typical Brewers offense. Also, Brian and Bill were outraged at the walk by DiFelice, but it was definitely ball four.

IDK, it looked pretty damn close to me.

princefielder28
07-04-2009, 12:17 PM
We scored some runs!

Cameron goes deep!

princefielder28
07-05-2009, 12:50 PM
Prince and Braun are All-Stars but Yo and Trevor are absent from the roster

Boston
07-05-2009, 03:36 PM
How Bill Hall continues to steal playing time away from Gamel is beyond me.

princefielder28
07-05-2009, 10:37 PM
How Bill Hall continues to steal playing time away from Gamel is beyond me.

McGehee should be the everyday 2B and Gamel the everyday 3B. Counsell can fill in around the infield and get rest.

badgerbacker
07-05-2009, 10:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290705116

Looks like Braun is hoping Melvin makes a move to get us some pitching. I wouldn't mind moving Escobar if we can get someone decent in return. I really don't see him ever being able to hit well enough to be considered a great player.

princefielder28
07-05-2009, 10:57 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290705116

Looks like Braun is hoping Melvin makes a move to get us some pitching. I wouldn't mind moving Escobar if we can get someone decent in return. I really don't see him ever being able to hit well enough to be considered a great player.

Escobar isn't going to be moved; he's too good defensively and is a good base stealer. If we make a move I think the main piece would be one of our higher touted catchers and maybe an outfielder because no team can expect to get pitching in return.

Whistler6
07-06-2009, 07:56 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290705116

Looks like Braun is hoping Melvin makes a move to get us some pitching. I wouldn't mind moving Escobar if we can get someone decent in return. I really don't see him ever being able to hit well enough to be considered a great player.

Wow, those are pretty harsh words about your own teammates...Regardless, I agree completely and wouldn't rather have anyone else come out and say something like that.

He's 100% right.

Side note: I hope Prince doesn't compete in the Homerun Derby. He's in tooooo much of a groove to mess with his swing.

If Pujols wasn't "Mr. Everything", he'd probably be talked about more as a possible MVP candidate.

umphrey
07-06-2009, 12:29 PM
It didn't come off as harsh to me. More "stating the obvious". If we want to make the playoffs we are gonna need another starting pitcher.

Whistler6
07-06-2009, 02:13 PM
How Bill Hall continues to steal playing time away from Gamel is beyond me.

It is straight up theft. Raise your hand if you wish Billy Hall would test positive for a banned substance???? jk...Ouch

badgerbacker
07-06-2009, 05:33 PM
Wow, those are pretty harsh words about your own teammates...Regardless, I agree completely and wouldn't rather have anyone else come out and say something like that.

He's 100% right.

Side note: I hope Prince doesn't compete in the Homerun Derby. He's in tooooo much of a groove to mess with his swing.

If Pujols wasn't "Mr. Everything", he'd probably be talked about more as a possible MVP candidate.
I agree about Prince and the Derby, but I think they said during the game yesterday that Prince has gone on record as saying he'll participate if they ask him. I can't imagine him not getting asked...

rumfinator
07-06-2009, 06:55 PM
Wow, those are pretty harsh words about your own teammates...Regardless, I agree completely and wouldn't rather have anyone else come out and say something like that.

He's 100% right.

Side note: I hope Prince doesn't compete in the Homerun Derby. He's in tooooo much of a groove to mess with his swing.

If Pujols wasn't "Mr. Everything", he'd probably be talked about more as a possible MVP candidate.

Prince participated in 2007 and it did not mess up his swing the second half. I love that Prince is in the Derby...just some more national attention for the Brewers and their young sluggers. Lets just hope that Braun and Melvin can play nice....

badgerbacker
07-06-2009, 07:12 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AqKT5tALFxPCARLHX.tFKiyFCLcF?slug=ap-homerunderby&prov=ap&type=lgns

Looks like Fielder is in. Along with the other NL 1st basemen.

bored of education
07-06-2009, 08:17 PM
The Brewers are quickly becoming my favorite NL team. Is that cool?

bored of education
07-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun are dreamy. But the overall charecters and personalities on the team are great.

badgerbacker
07-06-2009, 08:28 PM
Welcome. If you brought any pitchers with you, we would appreciate it.

bored of education
07-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Of me naked or of the two men I named?

cvv84
07-07-2009, 05:23 PM
Back from vacation, looks like the Cubs whipped up on us. Nice to see Braun and Prince in the all star game but Yo and Hoff got hosed.

princefielder28
07-07-2009, 11:18 PM
What an awful performance tonight :(

Macha, you need to play Gamel!!!!!

princefielder28
07-08-2009, 11:28 PM
Fun game to watch tonight and funny to see what happens when Mat Gamel plays

the_legend_killer
07-09-2009, 01:15 AM
Just got back from the game, fun fun time. First time I've been present for Hells Bells and it was all I hoped it would be. Good win, hopefully they can build on this and take the series tomorrow.

badgerbacker
07-09-2009, 07:39 AM
Let's hope Parra got his stuff together in AAA.

princefielder28
07-09-2009, 10:33 AM
Doug Melvin is gonna do his research on the Roy Halladay situation and I think there's a small chance it could happen. Why? Because the Blue Jays seem to covet a big time shortstop (prospect) and the Brewers have two in Hardy and Escobar. If I were Melvin I would be more willing to deal Hardy because of the financial reasons, and in the end I don't see Escobar being any worse at the plate; he'll have less power but provide much more speed. I think an outfielder may need to be added because the Blue Jays have talked about moving both Vernon Wells and Alex Rios. Cole Gillespie is still rated fairly high by scouts so he could be a part of the package. The Brewers could throw in one of their many catching prospects, and also a pitching prospect who may have a lot of upside, maybe someone like Wily Peralta.

Is this enough? I don't know, probably not. In the past, though, it's been talked about with Hardy being the centerpiece of a Peavy deal so it's hard to tell what more may need to be added.

Boston
07-09-2009, 01:38 PM
Well, at this rate, we might not even have to worry about that...

GB12
07-09-2009, 02:49 PM
Great start for Manny.

princefielder28
07-09-2009, 02:57 PM
Great start for Manny.

definitely, it's too bad that he'll have to wait a week before he gets to go out there again.

Boston
07-09-2009, 07:53 PM
This team is just a ******* joke right now. If Braun's going to run his mouth, maybe he should back up whatever the **** it is he's saying.

bigboiajhawk
07-09-2009, 10:41 PM
Haven't been on here in a while, but you gotta wonder when Escobar is going to get his chance, I hope it isn't in September either. How much longer do we have to watch JJ swing and miss. To not have an OBP of .300 is ridiculous. Also, Gamel needs to get consistent playing time.

badgerbacker
07-09-2009, 11:03 PM
I like Escobar a lot, but if you're looking for an offensive upgrade over Hardy, I don't think he is it. He's putting up decent numbers, but it is a huge jump to the majors. Also, one of his biggest offensive attributes is his base stealing ability, which Macha has abandoned completely.

Whistler6
07-10-2009, 11:22 AM
It's kinda hilarious how fast everyone's optimism switches to pessimistic rants nearly every day... They win 3 of 4 and they are going places, they lose 5 of 6 and damnit this team sucks.

Haha, I am as bad as the rest of us. But come onnnn they are struggling and clearly not very good right now correct? There are about 80 games left, let's try and stay positive.

GB12
07-10-2009, 06:33 PM
Nelson Cruz has been named as an allstar replacement.

princefielder28
07-10-2009, 06:43 PM
It's kinda hilarious how fast everyone's optimism switches to pessimistic rants nearly every day... They win 3 of 4 and they are going places, they lose 5 of 6 and damnit this team sucks.

Haha, I am as bad as the rest of us. But come onnnn they are struggling and clearly not very good right now correct? There are about 80 games left, let's try and stay positive.

The most troubling part about this current skid is that we are losing to teams that we need to beat, our divisional rivals. This three game set is big because they want to have a good taste in their mouth when the break comes and the Cubs or Cardinals will lose each day this weekend so we have a shot to put some space/get closer between them.

princefielder28
07-10-2009, 08:38 PM
Such a stupid pitch by Looper to Manny

princefielder28
07-10-2009, 10:23 PM
I don't know if Carlos has any options remaining but if he does I'd like to see him go and figure stuff out like Manny did.

Boston
07-10-2009, 10:51 PM
The Brewers really haven't been the same since they lost Weeks. I still can't get over how untimely that was for him and the organization.

princefielder28
07-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Tomorrow's matchup should be fun with Yo going up against Kershaw

GB12
07-12-2009, 01:57 AM
Escobar will be leading off for the World team in the futures game tomorrow. Lawrie will be hitting 7th as the DH.

badgerbacker
07-12-2009, 08:56 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar09/news/story?id=4322001

Hoffman's in for Jonathan Broxton. Still too bad Yo couldn't get in, but Hoff is definitely worthy.

TheBuffaloBills
07-12-2009, 10:16 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar09/news/story?id=4322001

Hoffman's in for Jonathan Broxton. Still too bad Yo couldn't get in, but Hoff is definitely worthy.

I was ecstatic when I heard the news. He loves going to the All Star games, and this may be his last one. I really hope he plays in the game, and redeems himself from the Pittsburgh All-Star game a few years ago.

PackerLegend
07-13-2009, 10:04 PM
Woooo Prince !!!!! WINS HR DERBY

princefielder28
07-13-2009, 10:42 PM
Woooo Prince !!!!! WINS HR DERBY

It's good to see the Brewers win something this month

Whistler6
07-14-2009, 09:57 AM
So I guess Prince winning the derby makes up for the Brewer's slide over the past couple weeks??? Ummmm...Atleast it gives us something good to talk about.

The picture of Braun reacting on the cover page of ESPN.com when Prince hit the winning homerun is flipping awesome. That's my post for the day, haha, go NL.

Boston
07-14-2009, 11:37 AM
Honestly, Prince untucking his jersey after he won in St. Louis was amazing.

yodabear
07-14-2009, 01:10 PM
And we care so much that he untucked his shirt......seriously, he shoulda just went up there and played the whole competition with his shirt untucked.

GB12
07-14-2009, 09:04 PM
And we care so much that he untucked his shirt......seriously, he shoulda just went up there and played the whole competition with his shirt untucked.
The sad thing is you do. Maybe not you personally, but the players and fans of St. Louis have whined about that multiple times.

yodabear
07-14-2009, 11:49 PM
The sad thing is you do. Maybe not you personally, but the players and fans of St. Louis have whined about that multiple times.

I know, and it annoys me we get annoyed about it. It shows youthfulness, and some fun. Something that we, the Cardinals, seem to finally be doing by growing mustaches. I, seriously don't get what we get so worked up about. U won, be happy, untuck ur shirts, go streaking, I don't care if, u beat us, u deserve to celebrate.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-16-2009, 06:46 PM
What are the projections for Alcides Escobar?

princefielder28
07-16-2009, 06:51 PM
What are the projections for Alcides Escobar?

around .280/.320/.370

ATLDirtyBirds
07-16-2009, 07:29 PM
around .280/.320/.370


Hmm. Brewers fans have certain soured on him then? How is he at stealing and fielding?

princefielder28
07-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Hmm. Brewers fans have certain soured on him then? How is he at stealing and fielding?

He's a great fielder and has 30+ stolen bases this season

cvv84
07-16-2009, 08:04 PM
Hmm. Brewers fans have certain soured on him then? How is he at stealing and fielding?

Soured on him? He's our top prospect but he's being blocked by J.J. Hardy. Either Hardy has to get traded or swith position, which is something he's said he doesn't want to do.

His main asset his speed and he's a gold glove calibur fielder. Hitting is really his only flaw but he's improved each year. There's little to no chance that he gets traded though if thats why you're asking about him.

princefielder28
07-16-2009, 08:16 PM
Glad to see some timely hitting tonight

princefielder28
07-16-2009, 09:18 PM
Big Seth struggles to begin the second half

Boston
07-17-2009, 05:27 PM
2B Craig Counsell
CF Mike Cameron
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
3B Mat Gamel
RF Corey Hart
SS J.J. Hardy
C Jason Kendall
RHP Jeff Suppan

This lineup is amazing.

redbills
07-17-2009, 09:31 PM
Go Reds : )
Arroyo has been on fire his last 2 games, EE has been great also.

princefielder28
07-17-2009, 10:52 PM
2B Craig Counsell
CF Mike Cameron
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
3B Mat Gamel
RF Corey Hart
SS J.J. Hardy
C Jason Kendall
RHP Jeff Suppan

This lineup is amazing.

I liked it too but they didn't do anything :(

princefielder28
07-18-2009, 10:35 PM
Another nice outing for Manny. He left the ball up in the zone a bit too much tonight but he managed to limit the damage.

cvv84
07-18-2009, 10:56 PM
Another nice outing for Manny. He left the ball up in the zone a bit too much tonight but he managed to limit the damage.

Not too mention Hardy is really coming around now too. He's been red hot lately and he's doing it at the tail end of the order.

cvv84
07-19-2009, 01:11 PM
PRINCE!! WOW that ball went into orbit!!

Borat
07-19-2009, 01:34 PM
I love Prince Fielder.

cvv84
07-19-2009, 02:58 PM
An McClung gives up a 2 run HR is the bottom of the 8th to give the Reds the lead....


In other news the Brewers had scouts in Toronto today to watch Roy Holladay pitch.

cvv84
07-19-2009, 03:12 PM
Cousnell lookings like a statue out there as Cordero strikes him out looking to end the game. The series was split but its clear the Brewers need to make a move for pitching just to compete for the Centeral. Braun needs to get out of this slump too.

Boston
07-19-2009, 03:13 PM
Well, I'm glad McClung doesn't suck.

PACKmanN
07-19-2009, 04:01 PM
A Brewer scout was in attendence at the Jays game on Friday. I know it was 2 days ago, but just saying that the Brewers may want to trade for Halladay.

badgerbacker
07-19-2009, 04:46 PM
I think we want to, but if Melvin is serious about not trading Escobar or Gamel, we don't have a shot.

the_legend_killer
07-19-2009, 04:54 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/51142437.html

Brewers acquire Felipe Lopez from Arizona for Minor League OF Cole Gillespie and RP Roque Mercedes (Not an evil combo of Rafael Roque and Jose Mercedes as far as I know).

GB12
07-19-2009, 04:59 PM
I'm guessing that means Gamel will be sent back down to Nashville.

the_legend_killer
07-19-2009, 05:01 PM
Could be, unless their covering their tracks because he's involved in some sort of deal for Halladay. Rumor is that the Brewers had a scout at the Jays game today and just something to chew on I guess. But prolly just getting Gamel some PT at AAA and McGehee playing every day. But still, on this move first, I really like the move. Gives the Crew some speed at the top and Lopez can play a lot of different spots.

GB12
07-19-2009, 05:13 PM
If we do trade for Halladay I'd bet on Escobar being included, not Gamel. I think this was a completely unrelated move. We were wasting Gamel's service time without having him play very much. He also doesn't appear to be quite ready yet. He should go back to AAA until he'll be playing every day in the majors. I really can't decide whether this trade makes Halladay more or less likely. I however would be all for trading for Halladay with an offer centered around Escobar.

Borat
07-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Great pickup for you guys. He gets on base pretty well and will score a lot of runs in front of Braun and Prince.

redbills
07-19-2009, 05:44 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/51142437.html

Brewers acquire Felipe Lopez from Arizona for Minor League OF Cole Gillespie and RP Roque Mercedes (Not an evil combo of Rafael Roque and Jose Mercedes as far as I know).

sh*t, I really like Lopez (hoping the Reds would bring him back to bat #1), he is a good lead off guy.

the_legend_killer
07-19-2009, 05:50 PM
If we do trade for Halladay I'd bet on Escobar being included, not Gamel. I think this was a completely unrelated move. We were wasting Gamel's service time without having him play very much. He also doesn't appear to be quite ready yet. He should go back to AAA until he'll be playing every day in the majors. I really can't decide whether this trade makes Halladay more or less likely. I however would be all for trading for Halladay with an offer centered around Escobar.

I'd rather give up Hardy than Escobar, but the Jays are probably not interested in that.

cvv84
07-19-2009, 05:59 PM
If we do trade for Halladay I'd bet on Escobar being included, not Gamel. I think this was a completely unrelated move. We were wasting Gamel's service time without having him play very much. He also doesn't appear to be quite ready yet. He should go back to AAA until he'll be playing every day in the majors. I really can't decide whether this trade makes Halladay more or less likely. I however would be all for trading for Halladay with an offer centered around Escobar.

I'd think that they'd be more inclined to trade Hardy and keep Escobar. Hardy is arbitration eligable while both Escobar and Gamel are under the Brewers control for a few more years. They could trade Hardy, Hart, and a few minor leaguers for Holladay which would pave the way for Escobar to play SS and Gamel to RF. I'd hate to lose Gamel just yet because if Prince leaves after or during next season we have no clear 1st basemen.

Even with Holladay I still don't think we have the pitching to win the Centeral or even the wild card. Thats just my opinion.

GB12
07-19-2009, 06:24 PM
I'd think that they'd be more inclined to trade Hardy and keep Escobar. Hardy is arbitration eligable while both Escobar and Gamel are under the Brewers control for a few more years. They could trade Hardy, Hart, and a few minor leaguers for Holladay which would pave the way for Escobar to play SS and Gamel to RF.
No we couldn't. A trade to get Halladay would require at least one of Gamel or Escobar.

cvv84
07-19-2009, 06:33 PM
No we couldn't. A trade to get Halladay would require at least one of Gamel or Escobar.

Ok thanks Doug Mevlin. :rolleyes:


Point being, I don't see the real Melvin trading Escobar at all and its slim that he'd deal Gamel either if you ask me. Lopez is projected to be a type B free agent so he'd bring back compensation to help restock the farm system. Its also rare for a club to make 2 big trades in back to back years. I just don't see the Brewers trading a top prospect at this point after trading LaPorta and Brantley last year - and especially a top prospect like Escobar who is a talent that doesn't come along often. I don't expect a deal for Holladay. Maybe a 2nd tier pitcher or a releif pitcher but thats it.

Also Gamel has been sent down to AAA.

GB12
07-19-2009, 07:01 PM
Ok thanks Doug Mevlin. :rolleyes:
I'm just letting you know, no need to be a smartass.

Toronto is not going to be in contention to win the AL East within the next year and a half. They would have no interest in Hardy.

We do not have the pitching prospects normally required, but Escobar could get it done for us. A 22 year old, near major league ready SS, that is under control for 6 years should be very appealing for the Blue Jays.

Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball and is under contract for a year and a half. There is no way in hell we could get him without giving up at least one of Escobar and Gamel.

Boston
07-19-2009, 08:13 PM
Yeah, the deal would undoubtedly need to be centered around one of those two with some of our top pitching prospects down in A ball thrown in. I would imagine one or two of Scarpetta, Peralta, Braddock, Rogers, Odorizzi, etc. with another decent hitting prospect in there as well.

You have to keep in mind the fact that everybody wants pitching right now, and if the Jays don't get the deal they want from us, they can just move on to the next buyer. It's going to take quite a bit to pry Halladay from Toronto, especially with that extra year remaining on his contract.

princefielder28
07-19-2009, 10:21 PM
I like the deal for Lopez.

On the Halladay front, I think dealing Escobar as the centerpiece would be a no brainer. While he is a highly touted prospect, we already have a proven player at the position. I know there are going to be more financial hurdles with JJ but ah what the hell can you do. If we can't get a deal done for Halladay we need to add a starter some time because Bush's status is uncertain and I can't see Burns being reliable through September.

cvv84
07-20-2009, 11:05 AM
I'm just letting you know, no need to be a smartass.

Toronto is not going to be in contention to win the AL East within the next year and a half. They would have no interest in Hardy.

We do not have the pitching prospects normally required, but Escobar could get it done for us. A 22 year old, near major league ready SS, that is under control for 6 years should be very appealing for the Blue Jays.

Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball and is under contract for a year and a half. There is no way in hell we could get him without giving up at least one of Escobar and Gamel.

Escobar isn't going to be traded, thats almost a guarantee. Almost as big of a guarantee as Holladay not being in a Brewers uni.

GB12
07-20-2009, 11:11 AM
Escobar isn't going to be traded, thats almost a guarantee. Almost as big of a guarantee as Holladay not being in a Brewers uni.
Cool, that has nothing to do with what I said.

princefielder28
07-20-2009, 11:12 AM
Escobar isn't going to be traded, thats almost a guarantee. Almost as big of a guarantee as Holladay not being in a Brewers uni.

Escobar is more expendable than Gamel, and while Escobar is a special talent, he's not THAT special. He projects to be an average hitter with speed in the majors and he's an exceptional fielder. If the team does deal for Halladay they will lose out on some prospects initially but at the very least they will receive top draft pick compensation for him when he becomes a free agent. And I think the biggest hurdle in this whole process would be the Brewers' lack of pitching in the minors, not Melvin's reluctance to deal Escobar.

cvv84
07-20-2009, 11:38 AM
Escobar is more expendable than Gamel, and while Escobar is a special talent, he's not THAT special. He projects to be an average hitter with speed in the majors and he's an exceptional fielder. If the team does deal for Halladay they will lose out on some prospects initially but at the very least they will receive top draft pick compensation for him when he becomes a free agent. And I think the biggest hurdle in this whole process would be the Brewers' lack of pitching in the minors, not Melvin's reluctance to deal Escobar.

I know what he projects to be. Gamel isn't that special either. I'd much rather have Escobar over Gamel. The Brewers can't afford to sign ALL their guys long term. At some point you have to let a Hardy, or a Hart, or a Fielder go. When you have nobody to replace you're in trouble. They made a move with top prospects last year, they aren't going to do it 2 years in a row.

You guys can throw together whatever names you want, Halladay isn't going to be a Brewer.

princefielder28
07-20-2009, 12:46 PM
I know what he projects to be. Gamel isn't that special either. I'd much rather have Escobar over Gamel. The Brewers can't afford to sign ALL their guys long term. At some point you have to let a Hardy, or a Hart, or a Fielder go. When you have nobody to replace you're in trouble. They made a move with top prospects last year, they aren't going to do it 2 years in a row.

You guys can throw together whatever names you want, Halladay isn't going to be a Brewer.

Keeping Escobar over Gamel makes no sense. When you're in a posiition financially like the Brewers are you have to keep the offense that you develop because on the open market power equals dollars and the Brewers can't compete with that. Now someone like Escobar, you can find a comparable player on the free agent; as a matter of fact the recently acquired Felipe Lopez could be looked at as a comparable player. Lopez has speed, more pop than Escobar, higher average but not the defensive player.

You may bring up Gamel's inability to play defense, but he'll slide to the outfield after the season and Corey Hart and his future financial question marks can be moved. And by the time JJ becomes too big of a problem financially Joshua Prince should be near major league ready.

I don't expect to get Halladay, but I am not going to dismiss the idea because there's a perception that Escobar is going to be great and untouchable in a trade. It's ignorant to dismiss the idea too because it's obvious the Brewers are doing their homework on this one; last time I checked Gord Ash doesn't go to too many Blue Jays games anymore and ironically the same night that Halladay pitches.

cvv84
07-20-2009, 01:08 PM
Keeping Escobar over Gamel makes no sense. When you're in a posiition financially like the Brewers are you have to keep the offense that you develop because on the open market power equals dollars and the Brewers can't compete with that. Now someone like Escobar, you can find a comparable player on the free agent; as a matter of fact the recently acquired Felipe Lopez could be looked at as a comparable player. Lopez has speed, more pop than Escobar, higher average but not the defensive player.

You may bring up Gamel's inability to play defense, but he'll slide to the outfield after the season and Corey Hart and his future financial question marks can be moved. And by the time JJ becomes too big of a problem financially Joshua Prince should be near major league ready. (LMAO!!)

I don't expect to get Halladay, but I am not going to dismiss the idea because there's a perception that Escobar is going to be great and untouchable in a trade. It's ignorant to dismiss the idea too because it's obvious the Brewers are doing their homework on this one; last time I checked Gord Ash doesn't go to too many Blue Jays games anymore and ironically the same night that Halladay pitches.

You have big questions as can the Brewers sign sign Hardy long term? And because he doesn't hit for high average and doesn't have alot of power you're forgetting just how valuable speed can be. You're describing a guy who's alot like Jose Reyes and just look how the Mets are doing without him at the top of their order.

Fact is you keep both guys. 1 player isn't worth emptying out the farm system for. Not too mention Halladay has a full no trade clause.

princefielder28
07-20-2009, 01:15 PM
You have big questions as can the Brewers sign sign Hardy long term? And because he doesn't hit for high average and doesn't have alot of power you're forgetting just how valuable speed can be. You're describing a guy who's alot like Jose Reyes and just look how the Mets are doing without him at the top of their order.

Fact is you keep both guys. 1 player isn't worth emptying out the farm system for. Not too mention Halladay has a full no trade clause.

Explain why you're laughing your ass off about my 2nd little paragraph

I am aware that speed can be valuable but when you're not getting on base for a high percentage then that neutralizes that asset. Also, Macha doesn't utilize much of a running attack because of an out value philosophy so that could also hurt Alcides.

PACKmanN
07-20-2009, 01:28 PM
I dont think you guys understand what the Jays want; they want 1 MLB pitcher to come in and take Halladay's spot, and 4 ready prospects(C, SS, 1B, OF.) Of course I guessed which spot the prospects play, but its common sense that those are the 4 weak spots on the team.

It could be;

Jeff Suppan(i guess we take his contract for the year and we dont keep him.)
Matt Gamel, 1B
Alcides Escobar, SS
Cole Gillespie, OF
Jonathan Lucroy, C

yes, they are asking for a lot, that's why teams have stayed away since last years trade deadline.

the_legend_killer
07-20-2009, 01:38 PM
Alas, if only we still had Brad Nelson! *Shakes fist* Curses!

cvv84
07-20-2009, 06:40 PM
Explain why you're laughing your ass off about my 2nd little paragraph

I am aware that speed can be valuable but when you're not getting on base for a high percentage then that neutralizes that asset. Also, Macha doesn't utilize much of a running attack because of an out value philosophy so that could also hurt Alcides.

I was laughing that you're assuming Josh Prince would just emerge into our starting SS. He was just drafted and its way to early to assume anything. Brent Brewer looked great his 1st year with the club too and he's since faded a bit.

The Brewers don't have anyone besides Hart who's a consistant base stealer. He's not going to send runners when our offense is geared toward the long ball.

My final note on the matter of Holladay is that he won't be a Brewer. The only way I could see it happeneing is if a 3rd team gets involved. And thats if he even if he'd agree to a trade to the Brewers.

Anyways rain delays suck...

princefielder28
07-20-2009, 09:47 PM
a lack of timely hitting is showing itself again

burns sucked too

Boston
07-21-2009, 12:54 AM
a lack of timely hitting is showing itself again

burns sucks too

Fixed it for you.

princefielder28
07-21-2009, 10:34 PM
Looper pitched well tonight but it would be nice to see someone else produce consistently on offense not named Fielder.

cvv84
07-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Brewers scouting Cliff Lee.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/51399422.html

I don't see this one happening either. We already traded them LaPorta, Brantley, and Jackson for CC last year. The Indians were reportedly looking at Taylor Green last year too and a trade with them this year would likely require a catching prospect, either Jonathan Lucroy or Angel Salome, and a pitcher which we don't really have.

princefielder28
07-22-2009, 11:42 AM
I would not be a fan of bringing in Lee

Braun puts the Crew on the board early

cvv84
07-22-2009, 11:48 AM
I would not be a fan of bringing in Lee

Braun puts the Crew on the board early

Nice to see Braun's HR stroke coming back after that little drought.

cvv84
07-22-2009, 12:20 PM
Typical Suppan. Just serves up 2 HRs to the Pirates. Brewers down 4-2....

cvv84
07-22-2009, 12:27 PM
Typical Suppan. Just serves up 2 HRs to the Pirates. Brewers down 4-2....

Scratch that, he served up 3 HRs. 5-2 Pirates.

princefielder28
07-22-2009, 01:07 PM
Braun continues his big day! 3 RBI double

cvv84
07-22-2009, 01:09 PM
Braun doubles with the bases loaded to tie the game at 5 a piece. Thats 4 RBIs so far for Braun.

cvv84
07-22-2009, 01:10 PM
HR Casey McGehee! 7-5 Brewers!

princefielder28
07-22-2009, 01:29 PM
Seth McClung continues to suck

cvv84
07-22-2009, 01:30 PM
McClung promptly gives up 2 runs to tie the game back up at 7 all. :eek:

drowe
07-22-2009, 01:40 PM
wild freaking game today!

cvv84
07-22-2009, 02:19 PM
wild freaking game today!

Just another bullpen killer. Suppans lasts 3 innings and we've burned through 4 releivers already. Luckily we have an off day before this next homestand.

drowe
07-22-2009, 02:35 PM
so, crazy question.

how many ************* times is it humanly possible to get a runner on 3rd with less than one out and not get the ****** home?!?!?

we must be coming close to the record for one series.

cvv84
07-22-2009, 02:38 PM
Another loss for the bullpen. :confused:

cvv84
07-22-2009, 05:46 PM
Big loss today. The Brewers should've won the series easily. Next up ATL

GB12
07-22-2009, 05:53 PM
Ok I have 1 more little tidbit to throw onto the Holladay fire then I'm officailly done. I didn't know that Holladay could opt out of his contract after the season which makes trading a top prospect even more unlikely in my opinion. LaPorta, if you ask me, was a little more expendable than trading the future replacements for Hardy and Fielder.
It's Halladay, not Holladay. And he can't opt out of his contract at the end of the year. A player traded mid season whose contract extends beyond the season can request a trade after the season. If the team fails to meet the request then he can become a free agent. That is nothing to worry about though for 2 reasons. 1) He has to waive his no trade clause to get traded from Toronto. Why would he accept a trade to a team and then demand out? 2) He would definitely be tradeable and he'd still net a good return if he did request a trade for some reason. He would not hit free agency.

cvv84
07-22-2009, 05:59 PM
It's Halladay, not Holladay.

Boo ******* hoo. And the source I saw that from was wrong, which I confirmed and have sinced edited my post.

GB12
07-22-2009, 06:08 PM
Boo ******* hoo. And the source I saw that from was wrong, which I confirmed and have sinced edited my post.
Wow, man. What's your deal? I was letting you know so you don't keep spelling it wrong. And I started writing my response before you edited your post. Again, there I was just trying to give you the correct information

If you continue with your little attitude, pretty soon people aren't even going to care what you have to say

cvv84
07-23-2009, 11:42 AM
Tim Dillard making a case (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/51489792.html)

The Brewers may lack top pitching depth in their system but they do have alot of guys who project at releivers that can go multiple innings. Zach Braddock is another potential Manny Parra type guy but he's struggling to regain his pitch count after injuries over the past few years. Though the sooner Dave Bush returns the better.

princefielder28
07-23-2009, 02:11 PM
Tim Dillard making a case (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/51489792.html)

The Brewers may lack top pitching depth in their system but they do have alot of guys who project at releivers that can go multiple innings. Zach Braddock is another potential Manny Parra type guy but he's struggling to regain his pitch count after injuries over the past few years. Though the sooner Dave Bush returns the better.

I think Braddock may project best a closer in the future. His K/9 is great and like you mentioned his stamina has not been restored.

Boston
07-23-2009, 03:02 PM
Braddock isn't struggling to regain his pitch count, he's just been on a strict one all year. That will probably be expanded with time. The organization's doing this with a lot of pitchers down in the minors right now for whatever reason.

There's no way you project your top pitching prospect to closer, you have to give him every possible chance to become a SP, because they are so much more valuable to a team.

cvv84
07-23-2009, 03:06 PM
I think Braddock may project best a closer in the future. His K/9 is great and like you mentioned his stamina has not been restored.

He could very well be. It looked at one point like the Brewers wanted to call him up and put him in the bullpen until he started to show some arm fatigue.

Did you see the AAA All Star game too? R.J. Swindle was in it and he showcased his 50 mph curve ball. Too bad he got lit up in his 2.2 innings this year.

princefielder28
07-24-2009, 07:48 PM
Well, this is just Manny being Manny

cvv84
07-24-2009, 08:54 PM
Well, this is just Manny being Manny

And thats just Braun being Braun!

Boston
07-24-2009, 08:55 PM
Welcome back Mr. Braun.

princefielder28
07-24-2009, 10:19 PM
Hell of a job by the bullpen tonight; this is pathetic

princefielder28
07-25-2009, 01:06 PM
The team finally managed to sign pitcher Kyle Heckathorn. Kentrail Davis is up next.

princefielder28
07-25-2009, 10:36 PM
A really nice win tonight and Yo was outstanding

Glad to see Dillard back up

drowe
07-26-2009, 08:03 AM
what were those unis last night?

princefielder28
07-26-2009, 08:36 AM
what were those unis last night?

negro league ones

milwaukee bears vs atlanta black crackers (haha)

umphrey
07-26-2009, 06:37 PM
Any chance we deal Hardy, Suppan, Cameron, or anyone else by the deadline? I don't think this team is going anywhere this year.

badgerbacker
07-26-2009, 06:51 PM
The Brewers are 3 games out of first place. Regardless of how badly they are playing now and how you think they'll finish, they are not going to start selling players for prospects. Plus, who would actually trade for any of these guys?

GB12
07-26-2009, 06:53 PM
Any chance we deal Hardy, Suppan, Cameron, or anyone else by the deadline? I don't think this team is going anywhere this year.
I think that will be determined by the Nationals series. If we lose or split the series it's time to sell. If we can win at least 3 of 4 I don't think we can sell. In any case I don't think we are buyers anymore.

The only players that I think we could trade are Cameron and Hoffman. Hardy will be an offseason deal. I don't think we'd be able to get something done with him at the deadline. Eventhough Suppan is pitching better this year, no one's going to want him with that contract. Cameron would have good value to a contender looking for a CF. Hoffman would get something decent too with how well he's pitching.

cvv84
07-27-2009, 09:28 AM
Any chance we deal Hardy, Suppan, Cameron, or anyone else by the deadline? I don't think this team is going anywhere this year.

Suppan isn't going anywhere. Nobody is going to take him and the roughly $20.5 million that he is still owed.

Cameron likely wouldn't get dealt either. The best trade offer they got for him was Melky Cabrera and that was before the season. They aren't going to get alot in return because he's a free agent after the season. Not too mention the Brewers don't have any CF prospects that are ready.

Hardy is the only one that could get traded but I doubt its going to happen. He's having a down year and still has 1 more year of arbitration. Something might happen over the winter but I don't see him moving before the trade deadline.

We're only 3 games out of 1st and we have a soft schedule coming up. If they can keep it close in August then September should be very interesting.

princefielder28
07-27-2009, 09:47 AM
It appears that Jarrod Washburn is on the front burner for the Brewers and their pursuit of a starting pitcher. This makes alot of sense because the Mariners won't necessarily look for big names but rather players that Jack Z likes and believes in their potential.

drowe
07-27-2009, 11:53 AM
It appears that Jarrod Washburn is on the front burner for the Brewers and their pursuit of a starting pitcher. This makes alot of sense because the Mariners won't necessarily look for big names but rather players that Jack Z likes and believes in their potential.

that'd be fine. any trade that doesn't involve gamel or escobar is mostly ok.

we have 2 promising catchers in the system with salome and lacroy. one of them can be dealt.

but, 2009 isn't the brewers year. we all kinda knew that going in. the rotation is a mess and the injury to weeks ruined any consistency at the top of the order. combine that with the fact that the cardinals went all yankees on the trade market and this just really looks like a year you sit back and watch your rivals depleat their farm system and try again next year.

cvv84
07-27-2009, 12:37 PM
The Brewers have optioned right-hander Mike Burns to Class AAA Nashville and summoned left-hander R.J. Swindle from that club.

Burns, who allowed two runs in an inning of relief Sunday in a 10-2 loss to Atlanta, was 2-3 with a 6.30 ERA in seven games, including five starts.

This will be Swindle's third stint with the Brewers this season, giving them a second lefty to go with Mitch Stetter in the bullpen. He was 3-1 with a 1.03 ERA in 31 games in Nashville.

Swindle was not effective in his previous two brief stays with the Brewers, allowing five hits and four runs in 2-2/3 innings (13.50 ERA). He walked two, struck out four and allowed a homer

the_legend_killer
07-27-2009, 07:42 PM
A few tidbits, Carlos Villaneuva is starting tomorrow and the Brewers are up early 2-0, should be 3-0 but Felipe made a big baserunning mistake.

EvilMonkey
07-27-2009, 08:57 PM
why the f*ck is Suppan coming back for another inning???

cvv84
07-27-2009, 09:05 PM
Dear Jeff Suppan,

RETIRE.


F you,

Brewers fans

EvilMonkey
07-27-2009, 09:06 PM
yup, the last couple weeks have made it official.

I can't even stand watching this ******* team anymore.

Any chance i can get FSWI to show Packer Training Camp practices instead?

princefielder28
07-27-2009, 09:08 PM
I blame this 6th inning on Ken Macha. He handcuffs himself for two days by naming Carlos Villanueva the starter for tomorrow and as a result he forces himself to keep Suppan in for the sixth when he would normally bring in Carlos.

the_legend_killer
07-27-2009, 09:13 PM
Wow, 8 RBI's for Will

Boston
07-27-2009, 09:29 PM
Is Brad Fischer ******* ********? That was the dumbest ******* idea I think I've seen all year.

princefielder28
07-27-2009, 09:43 PM
What a tough call :(

cvv84
07-27-2009, 10:33 PM
I blame this 6th inning on Ken Macha. He handcuffs himself for two days by naming Carlos Villanueva the starter for tomorrow and as a result he forces himself to keep Suppan in for the sixth when he would normally bring in Carlos.

Still, you need to have guys who can get outs. The Nats were on it tonight. Bad thing is, barring a trade, good pitching from the farm system is at least another season away.

GB12
07-27-2009, 11:19 PM
Yep, time to sell.

PACKmanN
07-27-2009, 11:58 PM
well, looks like Washburn may be a Brewer. Rumors are that the Brewers are interested.

Boston
07-28-2009, 12:26 AM
well, looks like Washburn may be a Brewer. Rumors are that the Brewers are interested.

Is that through 2010? If not, it'd be entirely pointless.

cvv84
07-28-2009, 03:32 AM
well, looks like Washburn may be a Brewer. Rumors are that the Brewers are interested.

Lets hope not. No point in giving up prospects for a 2 month rental.

thetedginnshow
07-28-2009, 04:08 AM
Escobar to the M's!

Boston
07-28-2009, 04:22 AM
Escobar to the M's!

For Hernandez? There's no way we'd trade Escobar for Washburn.

GB12
07-28-2009, 11:04 AM
well, looks like Washburn may be a Brewer. Rumors are that the Brewers are interested.
Those rumors came out last week when we could still potentially be buyers. As much as I'd like to be, we are not a playoff team this year. One pitcher is not going to be enough to change that. Next year is the time to make a run.

princefielder28
07-28-2009, 08:48 PM
Braun continues to stay hot

the_legend_killer
07-28-2009, 10:35 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2548/3719364105_10ed955905.jpg @ this time right now.

cvv84
07-29-2009, 07:33 PM
We are playing the Washington Nationals, right?

princefielder28
07-29-2009, 10:09 PM
finally a victory and trevor notches another save

umphrey
07-29-2009, 10:15 PM
Tonight was a fun game to watch. Hopeless, but fun.

Is Casey McGehee better coming off the bench or as an every day starter and what is his future with the Brewers?

cvv84
07-30-2009, 10:55 AM
Tonight was a fun game to watch. Hopeless, but fun.

Is Casey McGehee better coming off the bench or as an every day starter and what is his future with the Brewers?

Hard to say if Casey is a 1 year wonder or not just yet. He could be an everyday starter this year but he's struggling with tendinitis in his knees. I think at the very worst we have our new Craig Counsell - with power.

drowe
07-30-2009, 11:54 AM
ok. so. me thinks it's time to look at 2010.

-the biggest question i have is...can Mat Gamel play RF? I feel like keeping Cameron another year is unlikely. and wouldn't mind seeing Braun in left, Hart in center and Gamel in right...if possible.

-also still expect Hardy to be traded. So, the infield could have Fielder, Weeks, Escobar and McGehee.

-also...think this is the last year for Jason Kendall. so, time for one of the 2 high level catching prospects (Salome or LaCroy) to get a shot.

-and we can probably assume that the money saved on cameron and the trading of hardy would result in new pieces to the rotation. could be a different team next year.

cvv84
07-30-2009, 12:21 PM
ok. so. me thinks it's time to look at 2010.

-the biggest question i have is...can Mat Gamel play RF? I feel like keeping Cameron another year is unlikely. and wouldn't mind seeing Braun in left, Hart in center and Gamel in right...if possible.

-also still expect Hardy to be traded. So, the infield could have Fielder, Weeks, Escobar and McGehee.

-also...think this is the last year for Jason Kendall. so, time for one of the 2 high level catching prospects (Salome or LaCroy) to get a shot.

-and we can probably assume that the money saved on cameron and the trading of hardy would result in new pieces to the rotation. could be a different team next year.

I think Gamel can play RF but I think his real future will be at 3B. We tried Hart in CF in the minors and when he first arrived to the majors, I think he'd be more of a below average fielder in CF. But he's our best bet if Cameron isn't back.

I'm expecting a Hardy trade too. Love the guy but you can't keep everyone and I'm really hoping they can keep Fielder so someone else will have to go. Thats why its not to have kept Gamel/Escobar instead of trading them.

I like both Lucroy and Salome but Lucroy is more MLB ready. He may not have the bat of Salome but his defense is far superior. Who knows, Mike Rivera might a bigger role next year too.

princefielder28
07-30-2009, 12:26 PM
ok. so. me thinks it's time to look at 2010.

-the biggest question i have is...can Mat Gamel play RF? I feel like keeping Cameron another year is unlikely. and wouldn't mind seeing Braun in left, Hart in center and Gamel in right...if possible.

-also still expect Hardy to be traded. So, the infield could have Fielder, Weeks, Escobar and McGehee.

-also...think this is the last year for Jason Kendall. so, time for one of the 2 high level catching prospects (Salome or LaCroy) to get a shot.

-and we can probably assume that the money saved on cameron and the trading of hardy would result in new pieces to the rotation. could be a different team next year.

I expect Hardy to be traded too and with that deal bring back two pitchers who can contribute for us next year, hopefully a starter and reliever. If one of our catching prospects make it up next year I think it'll be Lucroy because it seems that Salome continues to struggle on the defensive end of the position. I think a sleeper to make the team next year, and this partially depends on Gamel and where he'll play, would be Lorenzo Cain. He battled injuries for the first half of the season but he's got the range defensively to play center, but will his bat be ready.

just noticed cv's post, alot of the same things repeated

drowe
07-30-2009, 12:27 PM
I think Gamel can play RF but I think his real future will be at 3B. We tried Hart in CF in the minors and when he first arrived to the majors, I think he'd be more of a below average fielder in CF. But he's our best bet if Cameron isn't back.

I'm expecting a Hardy trade too. Love the guy but you can't keep everyone and I'm really hoping they can keep Fielder so someone else will have to go. Thats why its not to have kept Gamel/Escobar instead of trading them.

I like both Lucroy and Salome but Lucroy is more MLB ready. He may not have the bat of Salome but his defense is far superior. Who knows, Mike Rivera might a bigger role next year too.

oh yeah. no matter who is at catcher, i wouldn't expect them to play 90% of games like kendall does.

cvv84
07-30-2009, 03:08 PM
Wow what a play! The catcher doesn't block the plate and Cameron just gets his leg in to take a 4-3 lead. Just amazing that the umpire saw that bang-bang play and made the right call.

RyanBraun8
07-30-2009, 04:04 PM
well, looks like Washburn may be a Brewer. Rumors are that the Brewers are interested.

Yeah the Brewers are going to get him without giving up any big prospects by signing him during the of-season!I think it's time that Washbourn comes back home, I think he was talking to the Brewers before he signed with the M's last time he was a F.A.

I think a lot of Gamel's future hinges on if Hardy or Hart get traded in the off-season. If Hart does maybe move Gamel to left and Braun to right. (More outfield experience and a stronger arm I think. Plus didn't look bad in the All-Star game there) Hardy then maybe agrees like Michael Young did and plays 3rd with Escobar at SS. If Hardy is traded then Gamel stays at 3rd and Escobar SS McGehee is the main guy off the bench at 3rd and 2nd and I think he has played some OF also in the past.

RyanBraun8
07-30-2009, 04:14 PM
I expect Hardy to be traded too and with that deal bring back two pitchers who can contribute for us next year, hopefully a starter and reliever. If one of our catching prospects make it up next year I think it'll be Lucroy because it seems that Salome continues to struggle on the defensive end of the position. I think a sleeper to make the team next year, and this partially depends on Gamel and where he'll play, would be Lorenzo Cain. He battled injuries for the first half of the season but he's got the range defensively to play center, but will his bat be ready.

just noticed cv's post, alot of the same things repeated

I think Cain would have been almost ready for the start of next year if he didn't get hurt. So I'd expect him maybe to be ready by June....hopefully ha. So he need to get a CF signed to a one year deal, maybe Cameron or Gerut plays full-tme.

Bill Hall excepted his option to the minors. No other moves will be announced today but looks like their will be a trade.

princefielder28
07-30-2009, 04:42 PM
Suppan on the DL too

EvilMonkey
07-31-2009, 11:18 AM
nothing yet, Washburn to the Tigers so he's not an option anymore. I still want this team to sell and ust say screw it and call up escobar and gamel and let them start the rest of the year if we can't land a pitcher. Really interesting what they're gonna do with those 2 roster spots.

princefielder28
07-31-2009, 11:27 AM
Hernan Iribarren was called up but there's one move yet to be made

EvilMonkey
07-31-2009, 11:46 AM
mike burns called back up.......

princefielder28
07-31-2009, 12:22 PM
Brewers acquire Claudio Vargas from Dodgers for Vinny Rottino

cvv84
07-31-2009, 03:30 PM
Brewers acquire Claudio Vargas from Dodgers for Vinny Rottino

Looks like they're just looking for a help until Bush/Suppan get off the DL.

Packystan
07-31-2009, 05:40 PM
Looks like they're just looking for a help until Bush/Suppan get off the DL.

Yea, thats what it looks like. Melvin has already stated that he's going to be used primarily out of the bullpen due to the fact that he's only had 8 relief appearances since coming off the DL earlier this month due to elbow tendinitis. So with that being said, I would assume they're going to use Burns and Vargas the same way they did Villanueva and Dillard, with the starter hopefully going at least 4 innings, and the other used to get us to the 6th or 7th.

It's a bummer that we couldn't have come up with a better pitcher, but Melvin seemed to be handcuffed in his options, and obvioulsy wasn't ready to part with either Escobar or Gamel. Plus we didnt have the pitching prospects in the farm to throw in, which seemed to be on every selling teams list of wants. Also, I just heard that it would have taken Manny Parra, and Escobar or Gamel for Jack Z to hand over Jarrod Washburn which IMO is way to much for a guy whose contract is up after this year, and theres no guarantee that he would resign, so I guess this is the best that Doug could do at this point.

I just hope that we can take advantage of the relitively easy portion of our schedule in the month of August, and be somewhat "in it" come September first, so that fans can keep filling the ballpark and keep some excitement going into next year if we fail to make the playoffs this year.

cvv84
07-31-2009, 09:18 PM
Geez, Im sick on being down right away in the 1st inning. Hopefully Cladio Vargas is the answer. :rolleyes:

cvv84
07-31-2009, 09:36 PM
Bases loaded, no outs, and JJ Hardy goes down swinging. Jason Kendall up next and he goes down swinging. Next up is Looper who lines one up the middle! 2 runs are in and just like that, the pitcher puts shame to the hitters.

Lopez then singles to left and scores Mike Cameron. 3-1 Brewers. What the nice addition Lopez has been so far.

cvv84
07-31-2009, 09:43 PM
Big break. Bases loaded after a Craig Counsell walk. Braun tops one to 3B and the throw was wide of 1st and Braun just squeezes in (looked out though) and the Brewers score another run to take a 4-1 lead.

Fielder up next with the bases loaded.

cvv84
07-31-2009, 09:45 PM
Fielder up next with the bases loaded.

And he rips a single to left to score 2 more runs. 6-1 Brewers and all the runs have scored with 2 outs - thanks to Loopers hit.

cvv84
07-31-2009, 09:46 PM
Man oh man. Corey Hart rips an RBI double now, his 2nd hit of the inning. 7-1 Brewers and they just chased the starting pitcher.

princefielder28
07-31-2009, 10:37 PM
Looper giving back the lead

Boston
07-31-2009, 10:58 PM
2010 or bust...

cvv84
07-31-2009, 11:10 PM
Unbelievable...

Boston
07-31-2009, 11:24 PM
The Brewers pitching staff, excluding Gallardo, looks like this...

Jeff Suppan: 5.27 ERA
Braden Looper: 5.04 ERA
Manny Parra: 6.50 ERA
Dave Bush: 5.67 ERA

Spot Starters
Mike Burns: 6.30 ERA
Carlos Villanueva: 11.25 ERA
Seth McClung: 12.27 ERA

This is absolutely pathetic. DM should be fired for putting together the **** that's been our starting rotation.

GB12
07-31-2009, 11:33 PM
What exactly should he have done differently this past offseason that would have fixed that?

princefielder28
08-01-2009, 12:01 AM
What exactly should he have done differently this past offseason that would have fixed that?

It's simple, nothing.

Coming into the season...

Gallardo :: young but has ace potential and was expected to build on that
Parra :: struggled towards the end of '08 but expected to be growing pains and look forward to '09
Bush :: was huge in his only post-season start and able to eat innings, 4.50 ERA guy
Looper :: not spectacular but solid 4th option
Suppan :: will he ever live up to deal, at the very least an innings eater

The bullpen was average coming into the season but when they're overworked like they have been this year due to the starters' struggles then their weaknesses will be exposed greater.

To say anything close to fire Doug Melvin is idiotic and a complete overreaction to the current moment. One thing that continues to kill this organization is a lack of young pitching and bad luck with first round selections in that department (Mike Jones = injuries, Mark Rogers = injuries, Jeremy Jeffress = mary jane)

the_legend_killer
08-01-2009, 06:15 AM
Nick Neugebauer and Ben McDonald think that Rogers and Jones get hurt a lot.

cvv84
08-01-2009, 08:44 PM
Brewers signed Corey Patterson. Hopefully he can pitch lol

Boston
08-01-2009, 09:27 PM
Nick Neugebauer and Ben McDonald think that Rogers and Jones get hurt a lot.

Rogers has been dominant so far this year and Jones has definately taken that step. Hopefully the injuries are behind them...

cvv84
08-01-2009, 09:58 PM
Ahh man, this feels like a no-hit night...

cvv84
08-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Ahh man, this feels like a no-hit night...

Pheww! Thank you Mike Cameron! 5 innings in and the Brewers finally get a hit.

princefielder28
08-01-2009, 10:42 PM
Prince!!!!!

GB12
08-01-2009, 10:45 PM
Casey!!!!!

princefielder28
08-01-2009, 10:45 PM
McGehee goes deep!!! Tied up!!!

cvv84
08-01-2009, 10:57 PM
Could we really have a pitcher not named Gallardo go 6 innings??? :confused:

Whistler6
08-01-2009, 11:19 PM
Very frustrating when they get Pirates, Nationals, Padres almost back-to-back-to-back and they can barely split

umphrey
08-02-2009, 11:42 AM
For the future we need to keep Prince and Braun on the team as long as possible and dump all our resources into starting pitching because that killed the 09 season to an embarrassing degree.

princefielder28
08-02-2009, 09:42 PM
Hart was placed on the DL due to a laparoscopy and Bill Hall is back.