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KCStud
10-24-2012, 07:50 PM
Love this kid. He's got all the tools and he's been through hell and back.

Who is his NFL comparison? I've heard people say Matt Ryan, but I'm not sure that's completey accurate.

Thoughts?

Matthew Jones
10-24-2012, 07:53 PM
Honestly, maybe Gabbert? That may just be because of the spread offenses and preemptive scrambling though. Maybe he'll turn out better but who knows. Barkley is far more like Matt Ryan.

keylime_5
10-24-2012, 08:11 PM
He doesn't have the size of Gabbert or Ryan. Those guys are like 6'4"/6'5" and really big. Wilson is like 6'1" or 6'2" with a good arm, maybe similar to Christian Ponder or a much shorter Philip Rivers without the funk ass delivery.

Freshlete
10-24-2012, 09:42 PM
Rivers meets Cutler = Tyler Wilson

norcalgsr
10-24-2012, 09:58 PM
I've heard him compared to Kurt Warner.

fenikz
10-24-2012, 10:10 PM
I can see Warner, he is no where near as frantic as Gabbert and is a much better passer.

TACKLE
10-24-2012, 10:14 PM
Brett Favre.

keylime_5
10-24-2012, 10:19 PM
Rivers meets Cutler = Tyler Wilson

that would make him a super asshole though :D

y.f.s.
10-24-2012, 10:55 PM
Brett Favre.

What he said.

y.f.s.
10-24-2012, 10:56 PM
edit: double post

y.f.s.
10-24-2012, 10:56 PM
Honestly, maybe Gabbert? That may just be because of the spread offenses and preemptive scrambling though. Maybe he'll turn out better but who knows. Barkley is far more like Matt Ryan.

There are so many things wrong with this post I have no idea where to begin. There is nothing similar about them as prospects. Or their college offenses.

SickwithIt1010
10-24-2012, 11:53 PM
I see a Favre or Cutler type QB in him as well.

Brown Leader
10-25-2012, 12:01 AM
Tony Romo (10)

norcalgsr
10-25-2012, 12:34 AM
Honestly, maybe Gabbert? That may just be because of the spread offenses and preemptive scrambling though. Maybe he'll turn out better but who knows. Barkley is far more like Matt Ryan.

Landry Jones looks more like Gabbert to me.

Vikes99ej
10-25-2012, 01:13 AM
Cam Newton.

Mufasa
10-25-2012, 01:19 AM
Cam Newton.

Tyler Wilson is white, dummy.

Babylon
10-25-2012, 11:43 AM
David Carr.

SolidGold
10-25-2012, 11:59 AM
Tony Romo (10)

He reminds me of Romo as well. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys drafted him in the first round if he is available where they are picking. Romo is getting a little long in the tooth and the subject of constant criticism for not being able to win in the post season.

Wilson is obviously the QB at Jones Alma mater so I think that could have an impact on how the Cowboys view him. The way this season ends up could be an interesting character study of Tyler Wilson - he seems to be handling the adversity well - showing good leadership traits, playing well and giving 100% effort. Those can only help him going down the road. Jay Cutler was a QB on a losing SEC team and he was still drafted high due to his arm strength and ability to keep his team competitive. As long as Wilson does that I think he deserves a first round grade and he does not come off like a prick like the aforementioned Cutler.

Trogdor
10-25-2012, 01:46 PM
He reminds me of Romo as well. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys drafted him in the first round if he is available where they are picking. Romo is getting a little long in the tooth and the subject of constant criticism for not being able to win in the post season.

Wilson is obviously the QB at Jones Alma mater so I think that could have an impact on how the Cowboys view him. The way this season ends up could be an interesting character study of Tyler Wilson - he seems to be handling the adversity well - showing good leadership traits, playing well and giving 100% effort. Those can only help him going down the road. Jay Cutler was a QB on a losing SEC team and he was still drafted high due to his arm strength and ability to keep his team competitive. As long as Wilson does that I think he deserves a first round grade and he does not come off like a prick like the aforementioned Cutler.

Since his alma matter counts there must be a long list of prospects Dallas has drafted that hail from Arkansas right? No. There's one: Felix Jones. That's right about 250 picks now under his tenure and 1 came from Arkansas. Stop perpetuating statements like that. -_- Bad enough the talking heads do it come draft time lets not fall into the same realm of stupidity.

Next you'll tell me Jerruh loves his skill position guys...


Only 20% of the Cowboys' total draft picks from 1992-2011 are offensive skill position players, the second lowest value in the league.

In the first three rounds of the draft from 1991-2011, the Cowboys spent only 16.1% of their draft picks on skill position players. This is the lowest value in the league.


On topic though :) I see Warner or short, normal delivery Rivers. Not sure he has the crazy quick release to get the Romo comparison.

D-Unit
10-25-2012, 02:09 PM
Tyler Wilson = John Elway

ok, not quite... but it made me think.

SolidGold
10-25-2012, 03:45 PM
Since his alma matter counts there must be a long list of prospects Dallas has drafted that hail from Arkansas right? No. There's one: Felix Jones. That's right about 250 picks now under his tenure and 1 came from Arkansas. Stop perpetuating statements like that. -_- Bad enough the talking heads do it come draft time lets not fall into the same realm of stupidity.

Next you'll tell me Jerruh loves his skill position guys...




On topic though :) I see Warner or short, normal delivery Rivers. Not sure he has the crazy quick release to get the Romo comparison.


Ok my bad man. Has he really been in a position to draft a highly ranked Arkansas QB? He could of had Mallet but I think they were still happy with Romo but like I said two years later and Romo is two years older.. I know they need some o-line help especially on the interior but drafting a QB is not completely out of the realm of possibility even if it is to groom him to start in a year or two.

Trogdor
10-25-2012, 05:25 PM
Ok my bad man. Has he really been in a position to draft a highly ranked Arkansas QB? He could of had Mallet but I think they were still happy with Romo but like I said two years later and Romo is two years older.. I know they need some o-line help especially on the interior but drafting a QB is not completely out of the realm of possibility even if it is to groom him to start in a year or two.

No worries just hate some of the myths that float through the community. I personally don't see us drafting a QB unless Romo takes a sharp dive. We have Orton as a fill-in if that era arrives early. I think it's more likely we'll target a mid or late rounder as a project.

Definitely in the realm of possibilities :D

rawdawg
10-25-2012, 07:31 PM
Rivers meets Cutler = Tyler Wilson

I actually think this is pretty accurate.

Scott Wright
10-26-2012, 07:27 PM
Surprised I didn't see Christian Ponder mentioned but perhaps I missed it.

I think Wilson and Ponder are very similar from both a physical tool and skill set perspective.

toussaud
10-27-2012, 09:26 PM
Tony romo is the perfect analogy all the way down to demeanor. not great size, above avg but not great arm, pretty accurate, good not great athlete. is a bit of a gunslinger.

he's more accurate than ponder. much more accurate. that's not a good analogy.

being an arkansas fan i have seen way too much of mr. wilson. the only real flaw in ihs game from my standpoint is he doesn't go through all his progressions. but usually when he wants to get to ball to a certain place, he can do it with the best of him.

now our o line is crappy so that might account for some of him not going through all his reads. if i had a really good o line i don't see wilson not being an above avg starter int he nfl /borderline pro bowl type player. but if he doesn't have a line he will get eaten alive beucase some of the reads he makes now just arne't going to cut it

Matthew Jones
10-29-2012, 10:19 AM
There are so many things wrong with this post I have no idea where to begin. There is nothing similar about them as prospects. Or their college offenses.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you didn't go into any specifics whatsoever and ask if your opinion is affected by how Gabbert has been as a pro, or based on how he was as a prospect. I think people are severely overrating Wilson at this point. He's thrown a bunch of touchdowns against teams like Kentucky and Jacksonville State; aside from that, what has he done this season without Adams/Childs/Wright?

y.f.s.
10-29-2012, 10:31 AM
I'm going to ignore the fact that you didn't go into any specifics whatsoever and ask if your opinion is affected by how Gabbert has been as a pro, or based on how he was as a prospect. I think people are severely overrating Wilson at this point. He's thrown a bunch of touchdowns against teams like Kentucky and Jacksonville State; aside from that, what has he done this season without Adams/Childs/Wright?

My opinion on Gabbert the Pro and Gabbert the prospect aren't that much better. He's improved yes, but he's still one of the worst QBs I've ever seen. This goes back to his college days, where he was absolutely horrid at Mizzou.

You also compared the spread offenses. Mizzou and Arkansas couldn't be any further apart. When Gabbert was at Mizzou, they were running a variation of the Purdue "catch and throw" quick pass spread (but with Air Raid offensive line splits, because Pinkel liked the wrinkle after playing one of Leach's teams).

Ryan Tannehill threw a bunch of TDs against bad teams and sucked against good ones. You guys have GOT TO STOP TAKING THE EASY WAY OUT WITH THE NARRATIVE SCOUTING. What did HE do or not do well?

I see you with the pre-emptive scrambling, though, but I've only seen him do it a few times. Whereas with Gabbert, it was every other snap.

Matthew Jones
10-29-2012, 10:40 AM
Both players struggle with their balance/weight transfer and it affects a lot of their throws (fluttering); the arm angles vary a lot as well. Wilson always looks uncomfortable in the pocket even if the rush isn't nearby; he has some of the same flimsiness that bothered me about Gabbert. He's got this pocket and he's ready to scramble:

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y.f.s.
10-29-2012, 10:50 AM
I dunno. I broke down his Rutgers game from this year, and I saw a QB working with far less functional space than Gabbert's ever shown comfort in. He'll drift once or twice a game, but I don't think he's even as bad as Weeden was in that regard, especially considering the beating Wilson takes with all those 5 man protections and slow developing route concepts.

Weight transfer is an issue, though. He's gotta drive off that back foot when he actually does have time/space.

SolidGold
10-29-2012, 11:04 AM
If we want to talk about QBs inflating stats against inferior competition Geno Smith should be at the top of the list.

Don Vito
11-10-2012, 12:11 PM
He just had Clowney coming at him with a full head of steam, hung in there and threw a stirke for a TD while getting planted. That was very impressive.

Clowney getting to him was almost as impressive. Top overall picks from this year and next year possibly.

AntoinCD
11-12-2012, 03:57 PM
I dunno. I broke down his Rutgers game from this year, and I saw a QB working with far less functional space than Gabbert's ever shown comfort in. He'll drift once or twice a game, but I don't think he's even as bad as Weeden was in that regard, especially considering the beating Wilson takes with all those 5 man protections and slow developing route concepts.

Weight transfer is an issue, though. He's gotta drive off that back foot when he actually does have time/space.

One thing I kinda noticed is, when in shotgun he tends to take a pretty deep drop from where he starts. It's kinda weird looking but I agree, he needs to get over his front knee a little more. I'm not sure if it's to do with his knee bend though. At times it looks as though he is almost getting into a squat position his knees are so bent

y.f.s.
11-12-2012, 04:49 PM
One thing I kinda noticed is, when in shotgun he tends to take a pretty deep drop from where he starts. It's kinda weird looking but I agree, he needs to get over his front knee a little more. I'm not sure if it's to do with his knee bend though. At times it looks as though he is almost getting into a squat position his knees are so bent

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AntoinCD
11-12-2012, 05:29 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't know the exact mechanics for QB drops and footwork etc but I get how the weight is transferred through good knee bend and a good wide base. I think with Wilson, and it isn't all the time (which is a worry to itself) is at times he doesn't follow through the full motion and will throw the ball in a squat position. Watching Brees he always ends in a position with his front leg straightened and his arm going over it. The long catch and run TD against Rutgers is a good example Wilson not doing this. I think the thing that looks weird (to me anyway) with his drop is, and once again not always, he will have his first step be with his left foot straight back instead of pivoting on it and stepping with his right foot.

JHL6719
11-12-2012, 06:02 PM
Compares to Rex Grossman when he came out of Florida.